1. You don’t know how to tell a story in a way that gets a girl’s imagination going.

You don’t know how to share interesting experiences that not only make her wish she was there with you but also make her want to be with you in future stories as well.

2. You’re too needy.

You contact a girl much more than she contacts you. You freak out if she doesn’t call back right away. You worry when there is nothing to worry about.

3. You don’t know how to build attraction.

You don’t know what a girl’s buttons are. You don’t know how to talk to her in a way that makes her more interested in you as time goes on.

4. You haven’t optimized your look.

Have you taken the time with different hair and beard configurations, or do you still look the same as five years ago, wearing that same shirt with the stain on the sleeve? You don’t need model good-looks to have sex with pretty girls.

5. You don’t drink.

Alcohol is a magical drug that makes getting laid significantly easier, and I’m not talking about getting girls drunk. Just one drink increases the chance you will get laid about 20%. Three drinks in her system is all you need.

6. You don’t work out.

You’re a fright to look at naked. You don’t have to be a meathead, but if you feel good about your body then you’ll feel good about yourself, and this comes across in a positive attitude with girls you talk to.

7. You’re a pussy.

You don’t want to get rejected. You don’t understand that guys who get the most women also get rejected the most.

8. You don’t know how to make a girl laugh.

I like to think that a childhood of watching Simpsons and Seinfeld is all you need to be funny, but there are humor how-to books you can learn from as well.

9. You have an extreme deformity that hopefully can be fixed with either hard work (obesity) or surgery (gigantic nose).

Modern science has come a long way.

10. You don’t have confidence.

You don’t like the man you see in the mirror. You don’t believe that you were meant to sleep with lots of girls. You’ve given up and sloth around playing video games or poker, praying and hoping that maybe one day you’ll get lucky instead of doing the work necessary to be an interesting, confident man that girls like.

11. You limit your prospect pool by only going after girls at work or in your meager social circle.

You think the only way to get a girl is to have some sort of prior introduction. You’ve never tried walking up to her cold in a bar, coffee shop, or bookstore.

12. You believe you need to be friends with a girl first.

You think that a girl has to see you as a buddy before she can see you as a lover. Unfortunately there is no animal lust in friendship. By being friends first, you almost guarantee that that’s all you’ll ever be.

13. You do dinner dates.

They greatly decrease your chances of getting action. Not only does all that food impede the absorption of the wine (see number five), but you’re sitting far away from her, unable to touch. Do drink dates instead where you can sit right next to her as that alcohol takes hold.

14. You’re not persistent.

You give up way too easily. You don’t understand that you may need to get rejected a few dozen times before you come across a girl that likes you. Maybe more. Second to not even trying, giving up too early is the most common mistake guys make.

15. Your breath reeks.

It doesn’t matter how fun or good-looking you are, but if your breath smells then you’re not getting anything.

16. You have limited life experiences.

It’s hard to hold a conversation with a women if all you know about is sports. You can fake it a bit if you’re a voracious reader, but the best way to talk about interesting things is to do interesting things. Chances are that doesn’t involve a computer or television.

17. You’re cheap.

You need to pay to play. This means keeping up a presentable appearance and going to places where the women are. Even the cheapest drinks at happy hour bars are going to cost you money, and many of those dates will not result in sex. Unless you’re in Thailand paying $10 a bang you’re going to have to get used to the idea that it costs money to get laid. Just don’t confuse this with showing off your money to women. If you’re interesting and make a girl laugh, she won’t care you’re poor in order to have sex with you, though she may not see you as long-term potential.

18. You’re not cool.

Do other people not want to hang out with you? Do they dislike your company? Do people make fun of you behind your back? Do you have trouble maintaining friendships? Do you look or dress like an idiot? While the definition of being cool depends on where you live, it does involve a degree of fitting into society, as the girls you will be trying to bang live in said society as well. If you’re going to be uncool, then you will have to hang in places where uncool girls are and try to get with them (e.g. goth bar).

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Great post. You should add “because you’re anal” to that list. Anal guys are so boring and never want to step outside of their limited worldview.

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Hey Roosh, I am skinny and have a hard time gaining weight/muscle. I am young (20) and I really need to add some muscle. Ideas? Any good websites that you know of to help me develop a plan?

Dave: Higher protein intake. Bodybuilders.com has routines and an online store. It’s the best fitness website there is.

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To Dave, I second Tyler’s recommendation of bodybuilders.com. I’m doing one of their workout routines and I’m seeing results. Just have to eat a protein rich diet and additional calories and workout hard.

To Roosh, excellent post. I can see some stuff on that list that applies to me. I can clearly see what areas I need to focus on.

Great list.

I do disagree with: “13. You do dinner dates.”

I do them a little different than most:

Always sit at the bar, and always go appetizers or tapas.

Keep the booze flowing.

Sushi is also a great move with mad saki.

A G has got to eat.

Side benefit:

Locking down restaurants and bringing in lots of fly girls gets you pro-bono cocktails, discounted checks, the best slabs of Toro and reservations in a pinch.

Now that’s G.

- MPM

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Needyness is the enemy of man. It creeps in on your game. I catch myself falling victim to it all the time. You can be subconsiously needy.

First comes comfort – then comes needy.

Shit is like water on a fire when it comes to getting pussy.

Roosh,

Ever read about the Sodini incident?

Yeah, the neediness thing is tricky.

You have to be a Zen master (and hyper aware of your behavior), or just be getting sex from a lot of different places(the real solution), not to succumb to it.

Otherwise, the only girls that you probably wont seem needy to are the ones that you actually don’t like very much. And it isn’t very fun to be with them after a while, as your always wishing that you could be with a girl that you actually liked instead.

Chris,

“You have to be a Zen master (and hyper aware of your behavior), or just be getting sex from a lot of different places(the real solution), not to succumb to it.

Otherwise, the only girls that you probably wont seem needy to are the ones that you actually donâ��t like very much. And it isnâ��t very fun to be with them after a while, as your always wishing that you could be with a girl that you actually liked instead.”

Great comment.

The other thing that helps is straight up not giving a f*ck and having having ice running through your veins.

Like Eazy-E said “Easier said than done”.

- MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Hollywood Hills Burglar Bunch Arrested.

I for one would like to read more about story telling and getting a girl’s imagination going.

Anybody have any tips?

The G Manifesto Said: “The other thing that helps is straight up not giving a f*ck and having having ice running through your veins.”

Haha…This brought a smile to my face. Its exactly where I feel like I’ve gotten to in the past couple of years, but I’m still not total ice yet, except for the average girl. But getting better with each passing day. It is much easier said than done, as Eazy-E mentioned, and it can’t be rationalized into, but must be constantly practiced.

I find that the trick is that you can’t jump into trying to be cold as ice with with the coolest/hottest girls at first, even if you could game them successfully, in a brief relationship, for a little bit. You need to practice, and gradually upgrade to hotter/cooler girls, each one testing and refining your further ability to be non-needy. You go through a progression of being all infatuated for a minute, you collect yourself, and then she eventually needs you more than you need her, and then your ice. Then your money with that level of female. Having generally good game and bedroom skills also helps with this process. Then, if you want, you then you move to the next level and start again. The result is better inner game for increasingly higher quality girls.

BTW, I can be total ice if the girl is cool, or hot, but not the other. Its the mix that is my kryptonite. In the interest of keeping it real, I’ll admit to increasing height, in combination with the total package, also a current challenge for my ego; me being a guy of very average height.

I dont worry about it, but still have to deal with comments like “I dont usually like short guys, but your different/etc…” Me: “You have no Idea”. lol…

Carl: “I for one would like to read more about story telling and getting a girl’s imagination going.

Anybody have any tips?”

Tell her that your going to tell her a bedtime story, in private, and take it from there… You can even have her sit on your knee…

What’s a good DC sushi restaurant with side by side bar seating? I only know a couple high end Japanese places that are too expensive for a second date.

You’re spot on except for the dinner dates one. Dinner dates can be hot, and a man willing to put in that extra effort to take you on a real date, especially if he can pull it off without becoming awkward and running out of things to say, is an automatic panty-dropper.

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Dave,

You need to do high weight full body lifts. Squat and dead-lift a weight that you can only manage two sets of ten. Working the big muscles like that spikes your growth hormone and testosterone levels way up and everything grows. You should go hard enough that twice a week feels like plenty. You need days of recovery time between lifting. The huge guys who are in the gym almost every day have exceptional genetics.

Do not do high rep routines. You should be in and out of the gym in half an hour, having hammered out some squats or dead-lifts + bench press or shoulder press + pullups or rows + ab work.

Protein consumption is the other thing. Eat six eggs a day. I eat ‘em all at once scrambled in lots of butter for breakfast. People generally don’t get enough protein, lifting or not. Cut out garbage like bread and pasta and cereal and eat eggs and pork chops and such.

“What’s a good DC sushi restaurant with side by side bar seating? I only know a couple high end Japanese places that are too expensive for a second date.”

Sushi-Ko used to be tops in DC back in the day.

Heisted tons of fly girl there.

Not sure what the top dog is now.

- MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Hollywood Hills Burglar Bunch Arrested.

My #1 is weak. I substitute with asshole game. Too much actually.

Dave, check out stronglifts.com . Overall calorie consumption is more important than protein consumption. Aim for at least a pound of meat a day, plus eggs, cheese, etc. The more you grow, the more you’ll need to continue growing. I got to 170 at 6’1″ on ~3000-3500 calories per day, from 145, but it’s no longer enough to continue growing.

“Dinner dates can be hot, and a man willing to put in that extra effort to take you on a real date, especially if he can pull it off without becoming awkward and running out of things to say, is an automatic panty-dropper.”

Translation: “I like the idea of a guy inviting me to dinner.” The logistics are terrible, and logistics is a dealbreaker. The smoother your transition to a bedroom, the less resistance she’ll put up. A dinner date could be salvaged by going for drinks at a bar afterwards, but then you could have gone to a bar in the first place.

http://stronglifts.com/
> Eat every 3 hours starting at breakfast.
> Carbs for energy.

Both these points are quite wrong. This is why half of guys into bodybuilding look a bit puffy and tend to have too much fat. Their insulin levels are too high.

You want to eat two large meals a day and maybe one light one. DO NOT snack or eat lots of small meals. When you’re eating constantly you are continuously exposed to insulin and your body is always in fat storage mode. You burn NO body fat when you have serum insulin. When you eat proper meals and do not snack your insulin goes to zero for much of the day and you go into fat burning and tissue repair mode. You heal faster. Growth hormone levels rise. Your body gets very good at burning fat and you easily stay thin.

> Carbs for energy.

You have zero dietary need for sugar or carbohydrate, which spike insulin. Fat is a superior energy source. Any grain or sugar derived carbohydrate is just empty calories. Whatever carb you eat should simply be incidental intake from vegetables and fruit, which are eaten for anti-oxidants and other nutrients.

Two comments:

1. How do you differentiate between being too needy and not being persistent enough? I always thought the contradiction in game is you have to appear reserved and aloof, but doesn’t that mean you are not approaching?

2. I know that having good stories is important because ALL women love to be entertained, like we’re their court jesters or something. It just shows me that women are inherently uninteresting and need people to entertain them. Lots of women complain, “I’m bored!” You never hear a man say that. This being said, how do you improve storytelling abilities?

Good list and info

The problem with a “pull yourself by your bootstraps, life is unfair” speech is that it creates the rationale for going postal.

Let me explain. Let’s say a guy is unhappy with his life, and you tell him something that is not true based on his experiences.

He has two options..

1. Accept he is failure and keep on living.

2. Accept he won’t succeed and kill himself.

Now the problem with option 2. is that some might decide to take others with them. In a more primitive age, the damage that one guy could do was quite limited.

Not any longer… but that is not my problem.

“1. I always thought the contradiction in game is you have to appear reserved and aloof, but doesn’t that mean you are not approaching?”

No.

Approach, gain interest, then be aloof.

Gas and clutch.

But if you really have Game, you get girls to approach you.

I will write on the Art of this soon.

- MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Hollywood Hills Burglar Bunch Arrested.

eww bad breath…i remember this guy from college everything i think of that problem. gross

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“8. You don’t know how to make a girl laugh.

I like to think that a childhood of watching Simpsons and Seinfeld is all you need to be funny, but there are humor how-to books you can learn from as well.”

Which humor how-to books, Roosh?

re working out: theres no one size fits all, but i echo others in that should eat a lot and lots of protein. keep increasing weights any chance you get. but you dont have to sacrafice health by eating 6 eggs and what not. i eat only lean cuts of meat and have gained considerable muscle mass, six pack, etc. but if you aren’t health conscious to begin with, i suppose that is an easy way to get a lot of protein.

Humor is a form of street smarts, I’m not sure it can be learned, any more than you can learn to be a good football player from reading a book on how to play football. You just have to learn intuitively and from practice.

> sacrafice health by eating 6 eggs

There is zero clinical evidence to suggest high egg consumption is unhealthy and plenty to suggest it’s healthy.

frankly i go by common sense. one egg is 60-120% of maximum reccommended daily intake of cholestrol per the FDA, depending on size. 6 would mean 360 to 720%. the american heart association also reccommends eating no more than one egg per day, and preferably replacing eggs with egg whites.

i dont have the time or inclination to search for clinical research. i use common sense. i eat an egg every now and then. you of course are free to eat 6 per day if you are comfortable with it. most americans are comfortable with their diets. no problem.

> most americans are comfortable with their diets.

Most americans are fat. I look like brad pitt in fight club and exercise less than two hours a week.

I think by “common sense” you mean “whatever bullshit some authority figure spits at me.” Dietary cholesterol and serum cholesterol are not related, and anyway, serum cholesterol is not related to heart disease. The misinformation continues because statins are a multi-billion dollar business and General Mills wants to sell you Cheerios.

kkrev is right on the money.

I think I should have died a long time ago from all of the whole eggs I eat every single day.

Yet I’m lean and muscular.

I suppose that tends to happen when you control calories and lift weights.

Also, it’s humorous to me that Cheerios markets their cereal as “cholesterol free” (so do many other cereals). Of course it’s cholesterol free, it’s fucking PLANT based.

Btw, for all of those looking for GOOD training advice:

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/articles

All of the articles you will ever need to read.

I don’t favor bodybuilding.com because there are too many meat heads and young idiots on that site. Also, the quality of information is not the greatest.

like i said, if you’re comfortable eating 6 eggs a day, more power to ya. at least you’re enjoying your meals and sticking it to “the man” at the same time. great combination.

No.

- MPM

That’s the key right there to aloof game. You gotta build that initial interest.

Right on the money.

like i said, if you’re comfortable eating 6 eggs a day, more power to ya. at least you’re enjoying your meals and sticking it to “the man” at the same time. great combination.

Nah, it’s not about sticking it to the man.

It’s about not sacrificing things you don’t need to.

That’s why people always fail on diets. They think they have to eat all “clean” food and be on top every little thing 100% of the time. It’s just ludicrous.

Everybody wants to blame the obesity problem on a certain food substance or food group. If I had a dime every time someone mentioned that refined carbs or high fructose corn syrup or trans fat CAUSES obesity I would be a man with A LOT of fucking dimes.

But the fact of the matter is people are fat because they EAT TOO MANY CALORIES. If something like HFCS was responsible for people being fat you’d think we’d have enough sense to ship a couple barrels of it to Africa so we’d be done with that pesky little issue of people starving to death.

no doubt the simple equation of too many calories= fat= unhealthy rings true for much of america, but i know plenty of cases close to my family where individuals died of heart problems and what not and they were not even close to fat.

genetics probably has a lot to do with it. i’ve heard that genetics is the most important factor when it comes to life expectancy and other health concerns, but just because one is not fat does not mean one is healthy, in my view, based upon experience and common sense.

if you’re putting lines of coke into your body daily, you’re probably not fat, but you’re probably not healthy either. extreme example, but we all draw the line somewhere. i don’t feel comfortable with an egg a day let alone six, but i do enjoy the occasional egg now and then. if it turns out six eggs a day does no harm or is even healthy, then i may even be missing out. but i do enjoy my diet as is even from a taste standpoint.

> people are fat because they EAT TOO MANY CALORIES

Well debunked by Gary Taubes. Carbohydrate intake causes obesity, in any useful sense of the word “cause”. You can be getting fatter while in caloric deficit and thinner in surplus depending on the composition of food and your resulting hormone profile.

Nice post, but IMHO, goth bars are worth it for the seemingly endless supply of slutty bisexual girls. I honestly don’t know what my girlfriend and I would do without them.

Well debunked by Gary Taubes. Carbohydrate intake causes obesity, in any useful sense of the word “cause”. You can be getting fatter while in caloric deficit and thinner in surplus depending on the composition of food and your resulting hormone profile.

Gary Taubes hasn’t debunked anything.

If he can produce a SINGLE study where calories (and protein) are rigorously controlled that shows eating more carbohydrates causes weight gain he should be given a Nobel prize.

Alas, he hasn’t. No one has. The best he can offer are poorly controlled studies where people self-report their calorie intake.

If carbohydrates really did subvert the simple laws of physics and cause obesity, white rice should be able to end world hunger. After all, as you mentioned one can be getting fatter (i.e. gaining weight) while in calorie DEFICIT.

Mr Roosh, I’ve been reading your blog and I found it interesting and hilarious at the same time. I think that all your pick-up advice only works for a certain type of women: young, shallow and stupid.
Most smart educated women I know could tell your so-called “game” right away and instantly will label you as a douchebag, hence non-touchable, no doubt.
I agree 100% with everything you said about Argentine women, because that’s where I was born and wasted the first 24 years of my life trying to figure out a way to get laid, in vain. Fortunately since I moved to the US my luck had changed completely, thanks to the more liberated nature of women over here.
All your advice about hitting on random women on a constant basis as the ONLY way to get laid I think is bullshit. That’s just your way and it works for you. I get laid with two different women every week on average and I have a large group of friends with benefit and casual fucks in constant rotation. I can’t remember when was the last time I tried to approach a woman at a bar or club. Maybe years. I never do that and I still get laid more than any other male that I know. How? Very simple, instead of being a player, I’m the playee, I make them come up to me, they take the initiative and that makes the matters a lot simpler to me because if the woman approaches you you don’t have to deal with rejection possibility and you have a guaranteed fuck right away, specially if she’s over 30.
I found than being passive, playing the prey instead of the hunter is a lot easier, less stress-inducing and way more rewarding. Granted, not all the women who approach me are hot, but they are so many that I get to screen them and select the ones who I want to do.
As you already know, that doesn’t happen in Argentina. Over there women don’t even give you the most minimum sign that they are interested in you, even if they are dying to kiss you. But here in the US, it works to perfection. I can walk to a bar all by myself, stand there and wait, eventually one will fall in the trap.
I have to clarify that I’m not a particularly good looking man, I’d say I have average looks, I keep myself in just decent shape and I happen to have an above average size penis. I used to do porn and even strip. Women among my social circle know this fact and the rumors of that kind run very fast.
Regardless, I still consider myself a proud beta male. Whenever I see macho alpha-males compulsively attacking girls like you describe in public places such as bars or clubs I feel sorry for them, they make me feel embarrassed for their ridiculous desperate behavior, I tend to think that they are desperately in denial of their gay side and try to fill that up with huge amounts of random quality-less pussy. I prefer to sit back, be cool, wait for them (all the ones who reject douchebags) to come to me and they always do. Your “game” doesn’t work for everybody.

Don Juan,

I find it a bit hard to believe that you can be an “average” looking man and have as many women approaching you as you claim. Women rarely even approach good looking guys, yet alone average ones. If you have come up with some methodology for pulling this off, then perhaps you ought to be selling books and get rich.

You forgot one:

Every time you get close enough to know a woman wants to sleep with you, you remember the cost of the last time you got laid. Because she was hot, it turned serious and then an indeterminate time later took half your belongings.

..just sayin :)

[...] 18 Reasons Why You Don’t Get Laid 18. You’re not cool. (rooshv) [...]

”””13. You do dinner dates.

They greatly decrease your chances of getting action. Not only does all that food impede the absorption of the wine (see number five), but you’re sitting far away from her, unable to touch. Do drink dates instead where you can sit right next to her as that alcohol takes hold
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Naaa dinner dates can be a sensual lead up to a night of sex. Don’t sit apart. Get a booth preferably for comfort of closeness. Eat out of her plate. Let her feed you. Let her lick the shit that fell off your fork onto your lap. Share a drink. Grab her around the neck and squeeze. Play with her hair. Kick back and let her serve you. Order for her. Let the waitstaff be in awe of your man skills that you get an american chick to treat you like a god at the table he he he

””””10 The G Manifesto
22 hours, 50 minutes ago
Chris,

“You have to be a Zen master (and hyper aware of your behavior), or just be getting sex from a lot of different places(the real solution), not to succumb to it.

Otherwise, the only girls that you probably wont seem needy to are the ones that you actually donâ��t like very much. And it isnâ��t very fun to be with them after a while, as your always wishing that you could be with a girl that you actually liked instead.”

Great comment.

The other thing that helps is straight up not giving a f*ck and having having ice running through your veins.

Like Eazy-E said “Easier said than done”.

- MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Hollywood Hills Burglar Bunch Arrested.
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It comes down to being able to leave if your principles are compromised. But yea easier said than done.

You can bare your soul to a woman but when she plays some game yea got to be able to move on.

I tend to flip it like a switch. Even when it seems like I am into a woman so much and have some time invested I can still just stop talking to her and move on if she is not giving me the requisite deferrence.

Now if she comes back in submissive posture willing to adapt to you then yea she just passed another test on the rung to your inner circle as being a woman you can reason with.

Laura:

Dinner dates do absolutely nothing to up a guys chances, any more so than he would have doing anything else with her. Thats a fact. I’ve been charming as hell on dinner dates with women that normally would be pretty easy for me, and they have gone swimmingly, but I get laid much less when a formal date is involved. Dinner dates send the wrong message, and set the girl up to think of things in the long term. Therefore, she has the tendency to go into “lady” mode so as not to appear slutty. Big waste of money and time for me. Drinks are a much, much better date. If women want the long term thing, and the dinner dates that go along with that, they should try inviting guys to dinner first. Then, the guy would feel fine about paying for dinner in the future, because the woman is likely not dating him just to get a dinner out of it (very common). The guy will then calculate that there is much less of a chance that he is “buying” her with dinner, and that he is being used. He can then feel comfortable taking her on formal dates. The whole “panty dropping” thing that girls fantasize about, and that goes along with the “perfect dinner date”, is just a fantasy for girls, mostly idealized in their imaginations, but rarely practiced. And then lack of action is justified by finding faults with the guy, instead of analyzing the fact that the entire setup did very little to create real attraction, and probably even worked against it. They then keep fantasizing that when that “perfect” prince charming comes, to sweep them off of their feet with a romantic dinner, they will give it up after. It happens when attraction is already intense, but not when often when the date is designed to build attraction from scratch. But remember, I’m talking about first encounter/get to know you dates, and this doesn’t necessarily apply to people who have known each other or have been dating a while.

Don Juan:

I get what your saying. And I believe that your “game” is what you say that it is. But you left a lot out. I know. Women just don’t approach Betas who are waiting to trap them. Thats because betas most often go without in this country and that is every single betas lame strategy. And they don’t get laid, especially a lot, and usually only by the occasional lucky occurrence. A lot of what you said is good, like being the “prey”, but to do that in a way that is effective is a lot different than what you let on, and a lot different then the way betas practice it. Its actually a very alpha behavior when done right. Its not about being truly passive, but letting a girl no that you would dominate her sexually, but that you dont give a shit if that ever happens or not. You dont chase it, but you dont try and pretend that you are there for any other reason either, like to be her “friend”. Remember, not all Alphas are loud frat guys. Alphas can be anyone, and the best alpha game is when they are the prey, and make girls chase them. They will if they see you as a sexual threat and option, but one who also is cool enough not to be needy and one who is not actively chasing them.

No need to dis Roosh. I think a lot of what you do was self taught, which is great, but if you read deeper into a lot of what is said in the forums, in the comment sections, and in the articles you will find that a lot of it isn’t what you think from your superficial assessment. A lot of it has to do with the Alpha type “prey” game mentioned, although everyones game here is different. Roosh isnt Neil Strauss.

I like Pavels’ (of Kettel Bell fame) science of exercise, which is basically High intesity low volume lifting. “Super Slow” is another similar method. Low bulk, high strength, and a lot of fat burning is the result. Also, read “Natural Hormone (al?) Enhancement” by Rob Faigin. It will give you all you need to know about hormonal cycles and how eating affects them. Also, the workout portion is similar to pavel, with hormonal explanations as a bonus.

Is it just me or does anyone else get the feeling that the guys talking about “eating eggs and bodybuilding.com” don’t get laid that much….no offense….im sure im wrong with a few of you… getting girls is easy…look clean, smile, don’t give a fuck, tell jokes, don’t give a fuck, ask for #, don’t give a shit, call for date at bar, get tipsy with her, invite her back to your place, tell her no flirting allowed in your house, one more drink, go for kiss, bra strap, belt, kiss her neck and hips, take pics (they love the flash), repeat

“getting girls is easy…look clean, smile, don’t give a fuck, tell jokes, don’t give a fuck, ask for #, don’t give a shit, call for date at bar, get tipsy with her, invite her back to your place, tell her no flirting allowed in your house, one more drink, go for kiss, bra strap, belt, kiss her neck and hips, take pics (they love the flash), repeat”

LOL..hahaha…about the best summary I’ve ever read. Seriously.

Except some guys can get a bit chubby, or tend to be too skinny, with natural daily life, and I think the bodybuilding/ egg eating thing is a way to counteract that.

Chris–

No lady I know would go on a dinner date just to get a free dinner out of it. Most of us would rather stick a dirty needle in our eyeball than be stuck across the table from an unattractive, uninteresting d-bag. The kinds of girls you’re talking about are the shallow, money-grubbing types, and why do you need to go on a date with them anyway? I stand by what I said. A good dinner date with a man you’re into can be very hot, especially if he doesn’t give off the impression that he’s only doing it to get in your pants (as a drinks date almost always implies).

I suppose if you’re really just trying to get laid, you might as well just get a sure-shot random girl liquored up at the bar. But if you want a chance with quality girl you’re gonna have to put in a little more effort.

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Laura:

“A good dinner date with a man you’re into can be very hot…”

Blah blah blah.

How often do you fuck after a dinner date? Never?

How often do you fuck after hanging at a bar with a guy? Almost always?

Enough said.

P.S. The weasel words in that sentence are fun (“with a man you’re into”). I bet if you’re into him enough dinner isn’t what’s getting him into your panties.

Yeah, I know plenty of girls that have done, or do that. I’m not talking about them going out with the uninteresting, unattractive D-Bag. The guy could be pleasant, and even interesting, enough and usually is. Therefore, it is little effort for the girl to spend time with him. She could even think of him as a friend, or potential friend, while he is pining for more. She will often allow him to take her to dinner. Being pleasant and interesting really has little to do with creating attraction, taken by themselves. I know guys who can talk their asses off, and are as funny as Seinfeld (or whoever), but who have trouble pulling. That doesnt mean that they should be fodder for every girl that wants to use them for a free dinner/ free drinks.

And yeah, I agree that girls who would do that are shallow. But welcome to America. Its often very hard for guys to tell whether a girl is “money-grubbing” until several dates, or even months, in.
Some girls dont think that accepting a “platonic” dinner date is a big deal. Guys offer all the time, and so why shouldnt they accept? In their eyes, its not like their accepting jewelry. But its still messed up. Sure, some girls are so unskilled as to be obvious. But the intelligent ones are good at hiding their motivations. This makes it tough for us, and cynical after being burned by girls who use us. It really only takes 1-2 experiences to change a guys behavior, if he’s smart. Sure, you might be a sincere, smart, upstanding woman, but your sisters have long since ruined the general reputation of women in the modern dating pool long ago, for any man who is not a novice.

And you think a dinner date implies LESS that he’s trying to get into your pants? HAHA..thats a good one. Dinner costs MORE than drinks. Here’s the deal. Its an exchange of value, just like every other social interaction in life. And its a bad one for the man, because his paying for the meal puts him in a very vulnerable position. That is, she can then decide whether to reject or to accept his very expensive gesture of courtship. Now gestures of courtship are necessary, and fine, bu not to the tune of the $80 to $120 that it costs for the average dinner and drinks for two at a decent place. Its waaayyyy too much money to be spent in an effort to create attraction. Its not necessary, many women take advantage, and it sends the wrong message if there hasnt already been some significant level of attraction created in the woman. In fact, it sends a significant message that the guy is willing to pay for her companionship, which works against real attraction. If you think that a man has ever taken a strange woman on a dinner date, without the ultimate motivation of getting into her pants, then you are absolutely kidding yourself. Again, the fantasy worlds of women are a riot. Either he is lying to you, or you are lying to yourself, or both if you think otherwise.

No man, that is not your relative or doing legitimate business with you, has dropped $10-120 on you for dinner without the ultimate expectation/hope that he will get into your pants.
The value trade is the money for access to your pants. If you were honest, and didnt require such a value exchange for sex, then you wouldnt let him take you to dinner, especially a nice one. You would actually try to minimize such value exchanges, until after sex when they are legitimately done to get to know you better, and you would sleep with the man for who he is rather than what he has spent or done for you. I know dinner feels nice and romantic, but thats the unemotional truth.

Steve, I don’t ever fuck guys after hanging out with them once at a bar.

Chris- I am honest, and I don’t require a value exchange for sex. The two options that were on the table were drinks or dinner. I’d rather have a guy take me fishing, or to play laser tag, or hiking, or something less awkward than dinner. My point is, I want him to take me on a real date, I want him to show genuine interest. I’d fuck a guy that took me fishing after one date in a heartbeat.

The problem with you guys is that you never think outside the box. Pun intended.

Laura’s last blog post: Would you give up meat for Natalie Portman?.

Well thats different. But we were talking about dinner. I agree with you about the other dates being acceptable and preferable. I have no problem with “a real date”, and I enjoy them. You are right in that, with a quality girl, a real date is necessary and fun. I just disagree with the dinner option as being a good idea unless you are fairly deep into it with the guy. And I liked your pun.

3. You don’t know how to build attraction.

You don’t know what a girl’s buttons are. You don’t know how to talk to her in a way that makes her more interested in you as time goes on.

OK, anybody got any tips on those buttons? That’s my major sticking point. “Paul Janka game” (5 minutes to # close, then date) been most productive for me and I think I’m not getting all results I could. I do occassionally hit right on target, get them giggling and showing interest, etc, etc, so I know what I need to be getting. Which makes it even more disappointing when this reaction peters out in the next 5 min.

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“Well debunked by Gary Taubes.”

Though I agree with Taubes, he does offer some kool-aid for his readers because he almost forgives obese people from being obese

Obesity is also a moral failure, a sign of lack of character. Obesity is a moral defect. Even though carbs help people get obese, the whole life style leading to carbs is the result of weakness and lack of will. Obesity, like pregnancy, doesn´t “happen” to people. People cause it to themselves and obese people must be held morally acounttable for it.

Fun read. I’m sure those who are adept secretly like those who aren’t to get cold feet and stay that way as it increases the female-to-male ratio. :lol

Wow, I have just about all the problems I thought I had.

I don’t have the workout problem. The oddest thing about this is that I’m a running back at a division one school(1-AA, Ivy). On top of that I work out a lot-people tell me I look ok without the shirt. I thought that would be enough to help me get more girls. I even started drinking(never touched alcohol until I got here in september).

Of course, it isn’t enough…since I’m insanely needy and I cannot seem to stop myself from being that way. Chris was right when he said the best way not to be needy is to have other girls in your pocket already-that breeds confidence.

But that’s a problem when you’re an 18 year old virgin, and the peer pressure(teammates have had sex, non-teammates all getting laid) gets to you. Then you find yourself being needy unintentionally because at this point, you’re just anxious not to be THAT guy anymore. it creeps up on you.

Then its a slippery slope…the rejections build up. suddenly you fear more and you loose confidence. You become a pussy-you’re not persistent enough because you’re so sensitive to even possible rejection. You’re too cautious and end up in the friend zone because approaching a girl cold is too tough, and you start limiting the pool of girls you choose from. You think to much on the chances you do get(try too hard) and thus nobody laughs(or they laugh at you).

Then you obviously cant tell a good story…your life experiences are limited by age and you dont have the confidence to wing it…

Wow, I guess I’m kind of screwed. Way too many of these apply to me. I have to say I envy some of you guys, though. This seems impossible to me and yet guys on this site do it every weekend. It’s crazy.

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