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Argentine Girls Final Thoughts

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1. Argentine girls love disappearing. You think they are loving you hours after you first approached, and then they just ditch you. This may be a reason why Argentine guys are dicks: Why put in the work and be nice and spend all that time if she’s going to ditch?

2. Escalation is different. When an American girl starts touching you a lot and holding your arm, you’re money and can ramp up. When an Argentine girl does it, it’s bait and you should not escalate quite yet. If you bite too early, you “lose” and that’s that. You need to wait longer than normal for when the vibe of the interaction changes; she’ll start staring at you differently and smiling when there is nothing to smile about. Only then do you escalate. I’m still not too clear about this.

3. Dancing is crucial in almost all pick-ups. Since there is no such thing as grinding here, that means you dance for hours a foot away from her touching now and then, waiting and waiting like a puppy dog until you get the green light explained above. If you are the kind of guy like me who prefers leaning against the bar all night with a drink in your hand, you will get significantly less than your twin who hits the dance floor. While dancing offers no certainty you’ll get anything, it’s the only way to have her attention for long periods of time.

4. There is no cockblocking here from the girlfriends. I’m convinced cockblocking is a cultural phenomenon.

5. If I could try one thing differently, I would go serious push game. Constant challenging. Make it seem like every answer they give is wrong and she has absolutely zero chance with you. Saying things like “I wish you were…” While smiling of course. The only way to find out how far you can go is to make a few girls genuinely mad at you.

6. There is a “you’re not worth anything if you’re easy” meme floating in Argentina, which means an Argentine girl will never make it easy for you. It’s always a headache.

7. Argentine girls like sex, but on the surface the culture is not very sexually liberalized. For example I’ve never seen such conservative dress before; the girls never show cleavage and they think sexy is showing off their skinny arms. At the end of the night in a U.S. club, a significant number of people are making out. In Argentina it’s very few couples. You’ll find fast girls but on average they are slower than Americans.

8. In two months I’ve never seen an Argentine girl buzzed, tipsy, alegre, whatever. They just dance or talk all night. Plus there is no shooter culture like in the U.S. The nightspots don’t even have shot glasses.

9. Because Argentina does not have an easy pick-up environment, social circle is very important. Gringos who have done well with Argentine girls are ones that have enrolled in school for an extended period of time and built up a social circle. The advice that an American would give a friend to find a wife is the same an Argentine gives to get laid. The average notch count here has to be lower for both sexes.

10. In most cultures, when someone is staring at you, you look to see who it is. But the girls here will definitely not look at you if they know you are staring. If I’m walking on the sidewalk and notice a cute girl walking towards me, I avert eye contact and pretend I’m not paying attention until I feel her looking at me. Then I look at her eyes. She’ll panic and look away immediately. You are not supposed to know she is looking at you because that may mean she is interested. That’s how Argentine girls are.

In conclusion, the girls are a pain in the ass, but every system can be cracked—it’s just a matter of how long it takes. But why bother when Brazil is right next door?

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23 Comments »
1 mike says
January 7th, 2008

I fear your excitement about Brazil will lead to one of two things: either you will be disappointed because your expectations are sky high, or you will bang everything moving and get the clap. Manage expectations and strap up every time, my friend.

2 terps
January 7th, 2008

Brazil right next door? What are you waiting for? get yer ass over there, STAT! :)

3 instantExcitement
January 7th, 2008

The cultural differences in game are very important. I think its amusing when the so called pick up artists believe that the same IOIs and lines will work in NY, London, Hong Kong and Dubai. There is always a method, but chances are that the cultural differences in our society makes the differences sometimes quite difficult. Personally I think an interesting challenge is when a foreigner moves to the US and is in that in between cultures stage. You’re forced to use a varied game, or the same when you travel and meet women who want to be more American or spent time here.

January 7th, 2008

I’m convinced cockblocking is a cultural phenomenon.

i’ve heard the same thing from a friend in belgium. the whole “fat girl CB” doesn’t seem to exist over there. maybe because there aren’t as many fat girls in belgium to fill those crappy low-skill cockblock jobs that skinny belgian girls just won’t do. they need to throw open the borders to fat american chicks.

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January 7th, 2008

These are all great insights one could only glean from experiencing them first-hand. I’m glad that your cultural observations of my native country were so dead on but I would like to see them extend outside the club.

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6 shadi
January 7th, 2008

damn, it sounds like a muslim society. guess catholics are just as bad. go to brazil!!! the girls are more exotic anyway.

7 Hammering Hank
January 7th, 2008

I found it 1000 times easier to get laid by a random girl in Argentina. My Argentinian friend from there who I visited lays a new girl every week. I wouldn’t believe him but when I was there he nailed 4 different girls in 7 days. I nailed 2 different girls and I don’t even speak Spanish!

8 Sudamericana
January 7th, 2008

I am sorry you did not like their ways, and understand it to a certain extent. Argentine girls are tough, and have many flaws. On the other hand, while sometimes you seem to describe your ideal woman as this liberated one-night stand kind of girl who would not demand anything from you and just wants to have fun, in other posts you really look down on women who fell for your tricks and who you banged, as if they were victims of your predating game. So, although I enjoy your posts and think you are a nice guy deep inside, to be perfectly honest, part of me is proud that some of my co-nationals significantly challenged your “pump and dumping”.

January 7th, 2008

Great insight.. Next time im down there i’ll definately read over these notes…

ive been to argentina twice.. and the second time I brought sand to the beach so i cant comment on the chick situation.

the first time in beunos aires i hooked up with a couple girls but nothing further than that.. then i headed to Pantagonia and met some chicks from spain so never bothered with the arginitines.

its interesting to hear your take… i’m beat cuz i hate dancing.. although now that you mention it the two girls i hooked up with down there i danced with…

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10 T
January 7th, 2008

Illuminating stuff, good to know.

T’s last blog post: Cooking Shows Are Chick Porn.

11 Anonymous
January 7th, 2008

we want a chart!
we want a chart!

like the one you had for spain and italy
i’m hoping you’ll post one at the end of your massive trip

January 7th, 2008

Very similar to the situation in Puerto Rico, where I lived for a year. Still living under a very strong penumbra of Catholicism. (Yeah, I know — PR and some other Latin countries have a high rate of abortion which kind of dispels the Catholicism argument, but believe me, almost all of this stuff can be traced back to the Church’s influence, and that dies very hard.)

January 7th, 2008

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14 Brandon
January 7th, 2008

Dude, you hit the nail on the head. I’ve never been to Argentina, but last winter I dated a girl from Argentina while she was in the states for 3 months, and they are crazy. The girl was drop dead gorgeous, by far the hottest girl I’ve been with, but putting up with her was almost not worth it. The first night I met her I thought she was going to fall in love within a week. By the time she left she hardly wanted to hang out anymore. She was not open at all about sex. She was a very sexual girl, she loved sex, but she never liked talking about anything sexual in public. I also found that she was pretty close minded to other cultures. She would always say “In Argentina we don’t _______.” I was like, well, this is America. I went to a couple Argentinan parties, I couldn’t get the dancing down, and she loved dancing. The only thing I didn’t find accurate was how hard you made it sound to get an Argentine girl. I met her at work, and that same night we ended up making out in the club, I would have taken her home that night if she had a change of clothes with her. I got her in bed the next day.

15 westlondon
January 7th, 2008

Man you have hit the nail on the head with this post.
I normally do pretty well with girls from all places, been living here in buenos aires for a year now and while ive been with a few arg girls (and went out with one - mentalist) this is def the hardest place ive ever rolled pick up wise.
Im fairly good looking which normally helps, here it just makes fuck all difference. The girls just dont look at you, start whispering like in other places ive been. Its bizarre. You will even get told, “so and so thinks your hot” and then you speak to her and its all good but its just hard to escalate it well. Its bizarre, i havent figured it out AND i speak good spanish and i have many arg male friends, good social circle.
ITS THE WEIRDEST MALE/FEMALE INTERACTIONS CULTURE!!

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17 Anonymous
January 7th, 2008

let me get this straight - - -you stay in a youth hostel, and you find it hard to meet girls ? ? ?
hmmmmm

18 Argenta
January 7th, 2008

I’m from argentina! and we are “fashion conservative” because men are more sexual active on the street (for example they say sexual thing to a girl on the street, something nice things like “ohhh you’re so beautiful” or sometime thing more hard like I want to Fu***** you so hard!) and you culture or for example in london, where I live, You can walk on the street, show your ass hahaha and men are more conservative!…you only can see one side.

19 Boosh
January 7th, 2008

Roosh you are wrong. I spent a month there, going to clubs at least 3 nights a week. I got laid a multiple times by different girls. And people were making out everywhere in the clubs. It was so easy!

20 Anonymous
January 7th, 2008

i just spent one month in brazil. fuck argentina. just like spain, conservative stuck up, boring girls. i prefer more down to earth girls. brazil is the move, boys…

21 Anonymous
January 7th, 2008

Yeah, I don’t know where El Rooshbo went or what he was doing wrong, but Argentina isn’t as desolate or hard to get laid in as he makes it out to be. You just need to know how to play the game. If you’re a Yanqui like I am, I’d suggest playing up that card, especially in the provinces. You’ll get more attention and ins with girls if you DON’T try to adapt to their social culture and make a point of standing out and not going along with your BS. If a girl is really into you, you’ll find out and she’ll drop the BS if you make it clear you’re not interested in playing games…that goes for any culture.

No. 2, it’s absolutely necessary to plug yourself in, to some degree, with locals your age. Young people are generally very open and there are always plenty of people who would love to add some random American to their social circle. Do that and stick with them when they hit the town…half of your work is done for you.

No. 3, go with them to private parties or get-togethers. Especially out in the provinces…this is where it goes down. Someone’s finca or some construction site out on the edge of town…get truly crazy, much more so than any public dance club. If you’re just looking to meet chicks who are at their loosest (which is always going be be less than US girls, but still), you need to get to these kind of parties. Like my newfound acquaintance told me, “at this party, there will be muchas chicas que quieren sexo con vos, ah?” Yes, this was true.

Don’t be afraid to take advantage of your foreign-ness, ESPECIALLY outside of Bs.As. where they don’t get too many gringos. You’d be surprised at how open and willing people are, glad to bring you around and show you off, and how many chicks are naturally going to be interested in you because you’re different. Like I said, that’s half your work, right there.

I wouldn’t advise dressing like a bum and wearing a Che Guevara beard so that you look more indio than most Argies, though.

22 Kenny
January 7th, 2008

I´m from Argentina and i have travel to: Chile, Brasil, Uruguay, Peru, Colombia, Panamá, USA, México and United Kingdom many times. So i could say that I have some experience meeting other cultures and i can say that you have not understand Argentine girls.
If you’re in a country that is not yours is much easier to get laid.
You have not understand a little bit of our culture.

23 carlos
January 7th, 2008

Argentine women (and particularly porteñas) are the unfriendliest women I’ve ever met. Everything you said is no surprise to me… I find them to be stuck up, distant and VERY sexually repressed. Their ugly attitudes make it hard to approach them let alone get them to bed!!! Argentine girls are definitely the most difficult you’ll ever find. Even the local men admit this… Why do you think it is so common among them to frequent brothels? The answer is obvious: it is so hard to get laid that many are left with no option but to pay for sex. Sad but true.