My safe sex practices were recently questioned by a girl and I offered the following explanation:

When I’m in bed with a girl and I get signs that tells me she is probably clean, I take that as a green light to take more risk. So I may do something like putting it in without a condom. Just because I did that with you doesn’t mean I do that with every girl.

Surprisingly this made the situation worse, but that got me thinking about signs I’ve used in the past:

• She has condoms in her nightstand (intent to be safe)
• She asks you to use a condom (safe)
• She is upper middle class (more health conscious)
• She is on the pill (no risk of being a daddy)
• She does not seem promiscuous
• She has a clean appearance or smell
• She didn’t let me hit on the same night I met her (not easy)
• She was married or got out of a really long-term relationship (more likely to be monogamous, less sexual partners)
• She doesn’t identify with Samantha on Sex and the City
• She gets frequent gynecological exams (awareness of all 70 strains of HPV)
• She doesn’t have tattoos (low hepatitis C risk)

My list is definitely not scientific, but the more things she has on the list the more comfortable I feel having natural sex. It doesn’t help that as I get older I’m getting the feeling of invincibility that I’ve probably been exposed to STDs but am immune to all of them. I brush aside comments by girls who say I’m “most likely” a HPV carrier.

I think of safe sex as a scale from 1-10. A 1 has never bought condoms and only uses them when the herpes is flaring up while a 10 needs signed laboratory tests from her partner before going raw. I’m a solid 6.5, much higher than guys I know who are in the 3 range. If women understand that the vagina has evolved for millions of years to be the most intense pleasure a man can experience, they wouldn’t freak out when we just want to put it in to experience this ecstasy.

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Do you ask every woman the last time she went to the gynecologist? I love sex without condoms as much as the next person, but I would think you would not want your most prized asset to become ravaged with disease.

Also, you probably have HPV. Brush it aside all you want, but most men and women have it by the time they are 30. It is not a value judgment, merely a fact.

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pretty good list. that’s what i commonly look for. of course, most girls will say you can’t tell a girl doesn’t “seem promiscuous” by hanging out with her for a couple dates, but actually i think it is possible. loose women just give off an unchaste vibe that to a man who has experience with lots of women will be very obvious.

yes, ladies, we really can judge your sluttiness based on fleeting first impressions. we’ve evolved to.

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In the same line as Lemmonex’s comment… I cannot picture you asking a girl you are about to have sex with whether she has frequent gynecological exams…

“Baby I really want to do this but before I put it in…when was the last time you had a Pap smear?”

Awesome. Thanks for keeping it real!

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I typically need a tests signed by her doctor and notarized before I can proceed. And that’s WITH a condom. Can’t trust these bitches anymore!

This is ridiculous. I’m guessing (just an estimated guess of course) that at least 50% (if not more, I’d wager it’s more) of your sexual encounters with women do not involve

1) asking them if they go to the gyno on the regular
2) digging around to see if they’re on the pill or
3)asking her which SATC character she most identifies with (unless you’ve been checking out her myspace page on the sly and she completed one of those cheesy surveys). Just sayin’

So, I’d “guess” that you have pretty much no clue as to what STD or potentially hazerdous-to-your-manly-bits disease your partner may or may not have. Unless you’re in a committed relationship where you’re 100% certain you’ve both been tested, why condone letting one or two slip?

And lemmonex is right, chances are you carry HPV, in addition to Trichomoniasis (which about 80% of sexually active adults will carry at one point or the other). I don’t understand why you would brush that aside? Unless you’re getting tested after each partner, which again, is doubtful.

The trouble is that men, unless its a severe case, typically don’t know they have an STD or are carrying something because there are no symptoms - so they don’t get tested, and leave it up to assumptions to determine if the women they meet “look” like they might be clean.

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“She has a clean appearance or smell ”
this just means she’s showered recently. it still means that she could have slept with guys carrying god knows what.

“She was married or got out of a really long-term relationship (more likely to be monogamous, less sexual partners)”
if she’s cheating on her husband with you chances are she’s cheated with others as well. not a same assumption.

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It only takes sleeping with one person to get an STD for life, so I think your “clean/unclean” check is unfounded. Additionally, I think that some (certainly not all) promiscuous women and men are in fact more disease free, as they know the possible consequences of their actions and make efforts to get tested frequently and use condoms. The people you need to worry about are the “clean” looking ones who figure that they and everyone they sleep with are also “clean”… but in reality are just passing along one STD after another.

all fine and good till your dick falls off…

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/conditions/03/11/teen.std.ap/index.html

Woohoo!

my general rule is no rawdog. no fun, but no stds.

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Oh yeah, I have had this convo many times.

Me: “So, you’ve got condoms in your nightstand, no tatts, you’re upper middle class, and you just got back from the gyno. Sweet. I’m rawdoggin it!”

Her: “Wait, what about you?”

Me: “Don’t sweat it. I took enough Valtrex to kill a horse before I came over….Wait, What?”

CDC study says at least 1 in 4 teen girls has STD
http://www.galesburg.com/news/news_state/x1379334304

I wonder what the rate is for older girls.

Roosh said:

“CDC study says at least 1 in 4 teen girls has STD…
I wonder what the rate is for older girls.”

Higher.

haha, I like it… good guidelines for most people. I have a half finished article titled “If you don’t have HPV… you aren’t having enough sex!”

I have only one rule for raw dogging DC women: They must be college educated and living in Northwest.

Anything beyond that is luck (or unluck) of the draw.

If she hasn’t shaved her legs in a week, she’s probably not promiscuous.

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Another thing to keep in mind…when you use those pesky condoms, you’ll take a really long time to cum and risk hurting the poor girl’s feelings by making her feel unattractive. Don’t listen to all that media propaganda about lasting all night, chicks hate that. Nothing makes a girl feel more attractive than when you bust a nut almost immediately, and rawdogging really helps that cause. You don’t want to be a cad. Go raw. Do it for her, yo.

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ok - this is stupid but funny - my headline: “Mary Anne caught with Mary Jane”

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iS0vraNhGkvY04g2nfwbv_BlPmBAD8VBEAEG0

oh yeah - use condoms

Check both of these studies out:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/25/AR2007112501677_pf.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7290088.stm

I do a point system, like I am counting cards. I assign points to every risk factor. the higher the points the higher the risk. No particular order:

1) Where she lives/ Where she hangs out/ Where you are banging - If she lives in vermont, frequents chelsea, and you are banging her in long island. Vermont has only like 450 cases of hiv, while chelsea is infected by bi men, and if she is willing to go to long island with you to bang she probably has been banged previously by a guido. She has a higher chance of being infected. 3 points.
2) Casual questions about drug use. Alcohol frequency, weed, Coc, K, Meth. For coc, k, and meth girls are willing to get fucked in the ass to get high = Infected. Any sign of intravenous drugs - DO NOT BANG. 10 points for coc, k, meth. Alcohol to black out 5 points. Alcohol to loosen up 2 points. Weed a lot 1 point.
3) Race - not being racist but it is a huge factor facts wise when it comes to STDs. 1 point.
4) Economic status - poor people dont go to the Doctor. Lets hope a democrat gets elected so we have less STDs. 2 point.
5) Age - the younger the better. obviously. post 35 - 3 points - post 28 - 2 points - post 22 - 1 point. pre 22 - 0 points.
6) If she doesnt ask you to put on a condom, doesnt bring up condoms, just straight to insert. 4 points.
7) How many times you have to play just the tip and she does the hip squirm before inserting. No squirming 2 points. Medium 1 point. A lot of squirming 0 points.
8) While you are banging if you can stick your thumb in her ass without much effort, that is a bad sign. 2 point.
9) If she voluntarily tells you to cum inside of me. 7 points.
10) If you ask where should I cum, and she says inside of me. 5 points
11) If you ask, can I come inside of you and she says yes.3 points. If she says hell no. 0 points.
12) If she she asks you to put it in her ass. 15 points - almost like being gay

I have to disagree on this one. You don’t catch 6,5/10 of an Aids. Either you have Aids or you don’t. And it’s spreading exactly why ? Because some people do the risk calculation thing. And loose. Holy shit ! How can an intelligent, educated, chick-hunter like you, can say something like “She has a clean appearance or smell”…….. so what ? Aids make people smell bad or what ? That’s the fucking middle age. I haven’t heard anyone say that kind of retarded stuff since I was in Africa (where most people think you don’t get Aids if you have faith or bullshit like that). Tell me you’re not serious. Any serious player knwos he’s dealing with an STD risk ten times higher than the average monogamous guy. The sooner people stop being that irresponsible, the sooner we’ll get rid of STDs, and we can return to putting it raw every time we want it.
I’ve been laying everything i could for years, and it did’nt even cross my mind to go raw on a chick i just picked in a club. It’s almost as dumb as playing russian roulette with a grenade.

i just did my ob gyn rotation and there were some generalizations i noted. these are pure facts

the majority of lower-class women in their 20’s or younger all had herpes. in fact their boyfriends didnt even know that.

the majority of those lower-class women were usually spanish/mexican/south american

upper class, white women never had any STD of any sort

99.9999% of black females had a history of STD’s, whether they were upper class or lower class

indian/paki women never had a history of STD’s

the worst part was that they hid their diseases from their boyfriends/husbands and wouldnt confess until the guy left the room

Mr. Hanky is right, sadly. Stereotypes and STDs do have a strong correlation. As for the reason why both upper and lower class women often have STD history, I think it’s because to an upper class asian or indian woman, a bad boy is someone who didn’t go to an Ivy League or did law instead of investment banking, engineering or medicine. To an upper class white chick a bad boy is a blue collar bartender with a tattoo or an artist with a tortured soul. To an upper class black woman, a bad boy is often an actual criminal that’s been to jail. In college it really surprised me to see the ghetto trash a lot of the middle and upper class black women would fuck with (I’m black myself). A lot of black women you’d never suspect often have the grimiest thugs in their sexual history. I think that’s why they have such a rising rate of HIV. Even in law school one of the black women had an on again off again boyfriend (on again/off again corresponded to whenever he was in and out of jail)

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Second sentence in last comment should say “As for the reason why both upper and lower class BLACK women…”

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I like the point system. I came to your site via stumbleupon, and I’m actually female. I do the point system. Granted, I’m no loose hook-up fiend, and I end up in relationships with almost all the guys I jump in bed with, but I usually get it on before we’re serious enough to show notarized doctor notes. I ask, vaguely, before we do it with a condom. And after once or twice with, I can usually decide if we should go without. Always have gotten to that point, and so far it’s gone well. I think it’s pretty easy to tell who’s promiscuous. Like the squirm factor, but for men.

Enjoying the blog.

Forget about condoms against STD’s. You have to protect yourself against unwanted babies, something not curable by a penicilin shot. At this age where women have all the say in the subject pregnancy, I would not trust a woman to say she is on the pills etc.

Almost all the bulletpoints you mentioned are double edged swords. And should not be used independently to assess the risk. IMHO, 6.5 is a way too high risk level for a person engaging ONS.

* She has condoms in her nightstand (intent to be safe)

Also means she is sexually more active than other women, she expects someone to come home. (Though it is a better thing than the next point)

* She asks you to use a condom (safe)

this is by far the best indicator.

(One exception though: A girl I was banging was constantly asking if the condom was still on. So I started to think there is something fishy. Ended the sexual relationship)

* She is upper middle class (more health conscious)

Combined with, “She hasnt been to Ibiza, Cancun(?), Mallorca etc” and combined with a sexual history of no gangbangs in the frathouse.

* She is on the pill (no risk of being a daddy)

See: Sexually active. Use condom.

* She does not seem promiscuous

…to you. Gotta know her past.

* She has a clean appearance or smell

At least the sex will not turn disgusting. Use condom.

* She didn’t let me hit on the same night I met her (not easy)

Did not let you. Still got to know if you are the one with this special treatment or if she is like this to everyone.

* She was married or got out of a really long-term relationship (more likely to be monogamous, less sexual partners)

If she has not entered a shagging spree after the breakup.

* She doesn’t identify with Samantha on Sex and the City

Hell YEA. But then the other girls were not epitomes of decency either.

Another red flag: “I am the Paris Hilton of this town”..

* She gets frequent gynecological exams (awareness of all 70 strains of HPV)

Question is “Why”

* She doesn’t have tattoos (low hepatitis C risk)

Depends on the tattoo, and where it was taken. i.e.: Holiday town North Africa: run. Exclusive Tattoo Parlour in Sweden: Relatively safe. Tramp stamps are out.

Lesson: Use Condom everytime, as you never know who carries what.

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