uhh.. 70k per year really isn’t all that great. that’s an engineer with a bachelors on either coast after 3-5 years of work. lower to mid-level management makes that type of dough too.

The ironic part of life is that the guys passion to have sex every day with the same woman over time goes down while the woman’s passion to have sex stays the same. It’s all bs in the media. Before woman where kept in pregnancy the man did his duty and she stayed happy and pregnant. Who’s more fullfilled the woman with a career or the woman with 8 kids. It makes me sick looking at all these woman with ‘carreers’ at fast food resteraunts and franchises taking orders from somone who is not there husband and making jack for giving up there time. Everyone talks about 70k a year jobs that’s not the reality for most. Just look around you. There are millions of shit jobs making shit money.

Passion matters, as does effort. If your relationship is positive and healthy, then you’re willing to make an effort and have sex even when you’re not necessarily in the mood for it.

Shannon’s last blog post: Prince Valiant Is Sweating the Small Stuff.

The passion does matter.

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We would not consider marrying the girl who allows us to videotape sex so we can show all our friends.

Okay, I disagree that what makes for a good relationship is different than what makes for a good marriage. The chick that allows the videotaping is not marriage material, but she sure as hell isn’t relationship material either. She’s a third category: fuck buddy material. And I agree that fuck buddy material and wife material are two different things. But relationship material and wife material on the other hand should have the same criteria.

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or the way they choke each other’s root systems off.

Have you seen a forest? The thick canopy of branches entwine, and the roots go deep to where the nourishment is lasting.

you can lay the blame squarely at the feet of your feminist sisters.

I’ll take the faults of American feminists over being dashed against a rock for the sole atrocity of being female in a Chinese village. My father wanted only a son, despite the fact that technically a daughter passes on more of his genetic material since the X chromosome is much bigger than the Y.

Men are half of the equation. Pinning the sole blame on women is counter-productive. However, I’ll agree with Roosh’s point that women need to be better at their job as the sexual gatekeepers.

Personal advice for women who want to get married: don’t sleep with any guy unless you know for sure he loves you, and for that matter don’t make the mistake I made of sleeping with men you don’t love, even though they love you. You can have sex and still have standards.

My husband told me that if the first time he picked up a woman she told him something like that, it would have shocked him into evaluating his behavior, and he might not have slept with the women that he did.

It is men’s biological intuition is to sleep with as many women as they can, but it’s the women who are enabling men to sleep with so many women at such a low “market price.” Diluting the market with massive amounts of cheap goods does not necessarily lead to a healthier economy.

Not the best analogy, but women do shoulder at least half the blame in the current muck.

You bond the way two young trees planted close together grow and wind around each other.

or the way they choke each other’s root systems off.

and there will be pie in the sky by the by…

But I hope this lets people realize that marriage is not dead.

if it’s dying, you can lay the blame squarely at the feet of your feminist sisters.

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Instead we’re hypersexualized and clueless.

Nicely written Roosh. Are you admitting that you, too, are perhaps somewhat like this due to the culture and media?

I’m probably the only commenter in this circle that is married (and happy with it). My parents had a miserable marriage, divorced before I was in elementary school, and I grew up in a single mother household. So the knowledge wasn’t really passed from the previous generation in my case. I never believed in fairy tales, but a man can be a noble knight and a flawed man at the same time.

I did my own soul searching and followed my instincts, and they told me to hold onto the man I love who loves me, and to not let it go even if things are tough. Women need to realize that men never start out as marriage materials — same goes for women. People have to grow, adapt and change. Nobody is perfect, but the process of growing old together means your shortcomings are complemented by the other person. You bond the way two young trees planted close together grow and wind around each other.

I agree with a previous commenter that sex (last night here), ability to run a small business together (we’ve ran several guilds together and have ideas kicking to make a start-up together), and emotional attachment (almost 10 years) are important. But the most important thing is communication.

You cannot get anywhere if you do not or cannot talk to your partner. Both have to express themselves and to listen to the other. You have to talk, and talk a lot, and not be afraid to be honest. Two nights ago we had a long conversation about morality, and this morning I woke up and told him about three dreams I had. I also tell him about the guys I talk to and flirt with a little bit. I wouldn’t mind it if he flirted with other women, as long as he came back to me and lets me know it’s happening, and he feels the same way about me.

Marriage is not the ultimate goal of existence, but given the choice between a daily, tumultuous search for excitement and stimulation vs peace, serenity and contentment, I’ll take the second one in a heartbeat. Life is usually boring and mundane, and marriage is simply life with another person. People who believe marriage is inherently boring should look at the daily lives of most people in the world, even those who are single.

I still have my “high” and “fun” through other areas of my life, and I can share that with my husband and friends (for example, we play video games together). We have so many good laughs and jokes every day, and even though sex is not always amazing, when it is, it really is. He tells me his kinks, and I try to satisfy them. I tell him what I like, and he tries to do the same for me. When you love and care about somebody, doing things to make them happy makes you happy.

I’m not idealistically or arrogantly touting my marriage as an example of perfection. Far from it. Marriage is something you work on, just like life itself. It’s hard work, but it pays off a little bit every day. If you exercise, you should understand this concept. There are so many little things about relationships that make them very difficult, but the comfort and security of going to bed and waking up next to the one you love every day, and knowing deep down that it really would take death to part the two of you… that simply transcends physical pleasure.

Well I’ve written a book and probably no one will read it. But I hope this lets people realize that marriage is not dead.

The pic with the cat fits sooooo well with the article………

Hey reality,

I laughed at your “let’s move past this … it’s tired already” since it immediately followed your need to express an opinion on the topic.

Treat blogs like television. If you don’t like what you’re watching, turn it off. Your choice little man.

Especially bloggers who waste thousands of words championing the idea that if a woman doesn’t barter her youth into marriage, she’s failed at life. This breed of writer is not so different from a middle-age woman advocating that females should “settle” rather than live on their own terms.

Let’s move past this…. it’s tired already….

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the author writes:

Marriage isn’t a passion-fest; it’s more like a partnership formed to run a very small, mundane, and often boring nonprofit business.

if this is what marriage is, then men are right to wonder if there’s any point to it at all.

“doesn’t make sense not to live for fun.”

roissy’s last blog post: State Of Mind.

Hi Joe T. I’m American, I’m a feminist, and I didn’t agree with a thing you said. It’s not about wanting it “both ways” or wanting to neuter men or whatever. It’s about wanting to be seen as a person, not a mommy replacement or a bit of tail. My advice? Treat women like we’re individuals, not ideological constructs or ambulatory vaginas. Some of us are good, some of us are bad, some of us are both at once. Much like people in general.

The reason the article created such controversy is that she implies that being single is the worst outcome of all, which is patently untrue. The worst outcome is a bad marriage. Also, the I-know-what’s-right-for-all-women tone is annoying. And, as you rightfully pointed out, she’s a lousy writer and doesn’t deserve the level of exposure she’s gotten.

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i second anonymous

Marriage consist of 3 components:

1. Sex
2. Ability to run a small business together
3. Emotional attachment

And that list is written in order of importance. If I was going to weight their importance I’d say 55%, 30%, 15%.

If you don’t have 1 & 2, you aren’t going to have 3.

If you aren’t having sex with your spouse, no one’s going to be happy. You also aren’t going to have much positive emotional interaction are you?

And if your spouse is busy spending every cent you earn, you’re probably going to be fighting like dogs and then… not having sex.

Although it’s the most important factor, I think men make the mistake of weighting sex too heavily (like 80%) and then get all bothered when their spouse is a complete failure at #2, the ability to run a small business (household and family). If they vent their frustration, chances are they won’t be getting any sex for at least the next week. And unless they LIKE being treated like a dog, they won’t have much emotional attachment going on either.

Women tend to put way too much weight on the emotional side and because the knight on a white horse is a fantasy, they are disappointed all the way around, don’t want to have sex because they are so disappointed and then resent the house/family. And guess who gets treated like a dog?

If you are having regular sex with your spouse and the household/family unit is running along smoothly, the happy factor will fall in to place.

I guess women who read articles like this one are somewhat lost and are just grasping at anything that may provide them a way out. It’s really just another addition to the billion dollar self-help industry. I think one of the driving forces as to why people don’t want to settle is that we live in an upgrade society where people would rather trade in their significant other or their Ipod when a newer, shinier, jazzier model comes out. Nobody wants to put the time in to fix something when it’s broken- they rather just upgrade to a new one. When that possession (or person) is no longer top of the line, they will just trade that one in as well.

It seems that lots of women pundits and influential “opinion makers”, as well as many rank-and-file feminists, have decried this article as an egregious affront.

God only knows why, because the article is actually pretty timid. All it does is suggest that women consider marrying that earnest male suitor who doesn’t make them feel like a thousand rockets of passion are exploding at once in their vaginas, or brains, or both.

What strikes me as bizarre about this rather contrived media controversy is, since when are feminists so concerned with passion and love, anyway?

American feminists always want to have it both ways.

When someone suggests that they should give in to their emotions, warm up and open themselves up to men, come down off their high horses and express love and compromise, and appreciate men for who they are, warts and all, American feminists shout, “NO FUCKIN WAY!!!”

Then when men act like players, and don’t want to commit, and run game on women, these very same American feminists who want to give women more power, more options, and more freedom, chafe at the idea that men should have any power, options, or freedom, whether it’s in the context of a relationship or not.

These same American feminists decry the sexual “double standard” which they maintain allows men the freedom to play (and not treat commitment seriously), while women, practical realists who desire commitment and value serious relationships, are constantly thwarted by male hypocrisy.

Well, if THAT ain’t hyopcrisy, I don’t know what is.

I’m just sayin’…

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