Thanks to influence from both Virgle Kent and The G Manifesto, I decided to try out suit game. It started with buying a suit while I lived in Poland. I tried on many different suits and picked the one with the best natural fit. It happened to be from Zara. It wasn’t the highest quality but it looked good on me and was therefore acceptable for testing purposes. I had the jacket sleeves shortened to allow the cuff of my shirt to stick out a bit and I also tailored my pants, both the waist and length. I would wear it with a pocket square and skinny tie. Here are the things I’ve noticed from my suit experimentation:
1. I received more eye contact from everyone. Women gave me more stares, but I actually got more attention from men, who approached me frequently to compliment my attire.
2. Women did not approach me outright because of the suit. After ten wearings it only happened twice, both by girls I wasn’t interested in. You still have to be pro-active about approaching. Don’t expect the suit to draw in women like a tractor beam.
3. It caused me to spend more money. Wearing a suit had a strange psychological effect on my spending habits by encouraging me to make it rain in the club, even if I didn’t plan on doing so. It’s like my brain insisted on pushing a behavior that would better match my look.
4. My standards went way up. When I looked good and knew I looked good, I became much more discriminate about who I approached, with the effect that I approached less. Very few girls were good enough for me when I was suited up.
5. Non-Westernized girls don’t appreciate a man in a suit. If you go to Eastern Europe, it won’t be uncommon for you to see beautiful girls with guys dressed like bums. The girls know what a suit is, but it’s not something that makes them interested in you. The times I got positive attention from the suit was more from Westernized girls. I remember in Iceland and Denmark I’d get approached many times from girls when just wearing a nice collared shirt.
6. It didn’t make the game easier. I’ve written many times how money has less effect on getting laid than people think. If it improves your logistics and access to women it will help, but just having a stack of cash in your pocket isn’t going to do much if you don’t have the game and lifestyle to match. If you pick up a girl in a suit and then take her home in your hoopdie to some shithole apartment, you may actually turn her off more than if you had more of a hipster look. She’d feel tricked. The suit has to be part of a rich tapestry.
7. I got more mileage from the suit while wearing it on dates. If a girl already liked me, and then I rolled up on the first date wearing a suit (on the weekend), there was a sort of “power couple” effect when we went into a club. With a suit and a pretty girl, I would get an insane amount of looks from other females, increasing my date’s jealousy. The suit would also make her feel more proud to be hooking up with such a fine looking gentleman.
8. Not all venues are made for suits. The effect of the suit will be greatly diminished in a fancy place where every other guy is wearing one as well. On the other hand, wearing it in a dive bar will be a waste of your fine threads. The best place to wear a suit is in a semi-nice venue where you are the only one wearing a suit. You will stand out in a positive way.
9. It can make you feel really hot. Even in cold weather, wearing a suit indoors can make you sweat. From a practical standpoint, it’s not the most functional thing to wear when going out at night where even a little dancing will be involved.
Overall, suit game promotes a more passive strategy where you hope to catch some eye contact from willing girls in order to do more casual, situational approaches. Unless the girl approaches you outright, the amount of work you’ll have to put in compared to when you’re suitless remains the same. The problem is that the suit encourages you to lay back and be cool, meaning you will do a lot less approaches than normal. Therefore, I actually got laid less with a suit than without. It did not have a notch-increasing effect that I was hoping for. Unless you’re in a venue where girls are approaching guys in suits (I’m getting word that this may be the case in America), I don’t see it helping much.
This experiment reminds me of how game and effort trumps everything. They are the biggest determinant to a man’s results with women. I don’t believe it would happen that we can take the same girl and have her be interested in me while suited up though completely reject me if I’m wearing something like a v-neck and jeans. This may be the case in elite venues, but those aren’t the type of places I go to.
If you have the bankroll to frequent places where women look for status and wealth, a suit would be a logical choice to get your foot in the door, but looking to the suit alone as some type of game miracle prop is foolhardy. It must fit in with your overall look, game, and vibe. I’ll wear it once or twice a month just to mix things up (if it’s not hot), but I don’t see it taking over my more casual style in the foreseeable future.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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I had wondered about this recently. Good post.
I think the big missing link here is: how good is your suit? We need pics before we can evaluate.
[Roosh: This is the suit.. http://static.zara.net/photos//2011/I/0/2/p/5662/562/800/5662562800_1_1_2.jpg ]
#8 reminds of the time I walked into a redneck bar. The first dude I bumped into looked at me and said:”Evening, reverend!”
Good post. here’s what I’ve found from wearing a suit:
I get wicked paranoid that some dumb ass is going to spill on my suit.
Girls expect me to buy them stuff.
Fat girls approach me.
The fact that I drive my mom’s Ford Freestyle does not mesh well with my Armani suit.
Instead of suiting up to the club, I now just dress normal. But, when I take a girl on a date I always suit up. It’s an instant panty wetter.
It’s all about confidence. Most dudes feel like a million bucks/james bond when they wear a suit. That’s going to result in them being less of a pussy. I have this leather jacket that I used to call my “lucky jacket”. It wasn’t lucky. I just felt like a badass when I wore it. This gave me more confident which resulted in me being less of a pussy. That’s all it comes down to.
Pretty on point.
1. I think I’m James Bond
2. I drink top shelf dirty martinis
3. I approach hotter women
Since this isn’t my everyday life style, it’s a novelty to have nights like this.
I’ve also found that going to bars that generally have jeans/button down as common attire, wearing some nice black pants with a tucked in collard shirt has a similar affect…and it shows off my physique better.
Well, this is an inexpensive suit. I’ve noticed a significant difference in the attention received when I was younger and wearing cheaper, less tailored suits and when I was older wearing perfectly tailored suits made ou of more expensive fabric.
The real question is:how great does it look on you?Some men were born to wear suits, some look pathetic with them on. You have to be realistic about it.
All other things being equal, girls in general definitely prefer a better dressed man.
Retain your “casual clothing” mentality whilst wearing the suit and you cannot help but get better results. The problem here by the sounds of it is that you allowed wearing the suit to modify your behaviour.
Ive only suited up in america. In. Las vegas the suit did make a difference. It raised my own standards and i did have girls approaching me.
Bill, its not the cost of the suit its the cut, Zara and many similar stores now just copy the cuts from Armani, gucci etc so you effectively get the same fit for much less cash, the fabrics are generally the same price.
Also you can get a custom made suit in thailand for about $100 with whatever style tailoring you like, great to stock up if in that part of the world.
It’s pretty clear I’ll have to wear the suit out a few times in America. The effects could be local.
A big party of it is looking comfortable in a suit, like you wear one frequently. A lot of guys I know put on a suit and become stiff, rather than slipping into playboy mode.
Roosh is dead on about the whole ‘part of a tapestry’ thing. The suit has to complement an attitude and style that’s already there.
Also, I rarely wear ties out to anything that isn’t a business related or formal-ish event. For parties/going out, I prefer the more relaxed no tie, one button open (the neck button doesn’t count) look. And you really can tell the difference with a more expensive, higher quality suit. It’s subtle, but it’s apparent. I’ve also heard god things about getting customs in Hong Kong, and bad things about Shanghai.
1) Roosh, you should have went with the gray Zara suit with the blood red interior!! That thing is schmick.
2) I think what Roosh is referring to by effort to get results is that when a guy puts on a suit he expects it to “just happen.” The suit is a fine tool – it’s power comes from how you use the IOIs and running the same game as if you were in sweatpants covered in horseshit.
3) One of my good friends who is naturally very successful with women,wears a suit EVERYDAY. Its practically his uniform, he even wears it to class. It is a bit worn, but the girls definataly dig his more serious, refined vibe – making a charming smile that much more potent.
Yea, it’s nice to have a suit for when you need one but all in all I haven’t noticed it increasing results for me either. Pair of jeans/pants and a nice fitting shirt mixed with some confidence and skill and you’re fine in most situations.
Good point about suit game being the most effective when you’re the only one wearing a suit. I do most of my pickups in Arlington where everyone wears a nice buton down shirt when trying to pickup. I take great pride in wearing a t-shirt with a funny quote or a quirky reference like TMNT on it when I go out. I get compliments from both guys and girls which I then turn into conversation and hopefully a pickup. Most women can’t wait to talk to a guy who is different then the status quo.
A suit simply conveys AUTHORITY to women: http://manhood101.com/ebook.html
But because it’s only PASSIVE AUTHORITY, it’s not going to mean much until you understand the nature of the problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4zSRkBMPng
The solution is to not rely on passive authority like wearing a suit but to learn how to exercise ACTIVE AUTHORITY: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzkbzd0YqJI
And once you understand the difference, the last thing you have to do is learn how to apply it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfJETp0hcUE
Roosh – You can’t tell a good suit from a bad suit unless you see a full frame shot of you wearing it. Fit is almost everything.
Most men who wear suits look really bad. A baggy, off the rack suit that doesn’t fit well is going to make you look like a try-hard with no style.
OTOH A tailored suit (or one that fits well enough it looks tailored) screams real class – although, I have to say I never wear that stuff to bars.
Also – black is for funerals and bouncers.
It’s a niche thing. It works well for some guys in some markets.
It would work best for a guy who already has a six figure income and VP/managerial position or guy who owns his own biz.
That means that with suit game, ALL OF YOUR EXPENSES would go up. You’re pushing the “money” appeal– so you’d have to drive a nice car, stay in nice places, take her to nice places.
That said, if you look good/better in suit, it would work well in places that are materialistic, like LA, NYC, Miami, Vegas or high class places in South America or Med Europe.
All of this is so true. But to some it up to really love suit game you’ll have to be about “that life”.
A suit WILL get you noticed, that’s it, but makes running game a little easier if they’ve seen you and like what the see
Suits should be tailored and 100% wool, and never black unless it is someone’s funeral or a tux. Them’s the rules.
I wonder how it would play in Latin America….in places like Medellin or Lima. I’ll have to try it out. I’ve thought the Latinas put value on a provider type. The suit might help and distance me from the mongers.
When it comes to suits or jackets the fit is everything. When I had a lot of money some years ago I had bespoke suits made in London and I felt like a million dollars wearing them ( I still wear them occasionally). Girls become very interested when they see you in a nice suit, but ,of course, you still have to do your bit. From the picture of the Zara suit it looks nice, but as some commenter said, you must be able to wear a suit. Roosh seems to be in good shape and the fact that he had the good sense to make alterations to the suit shows that he has a feeling for male fashion.
This is (well, was) my preferred pulling suit when I lived in Europe.
I found a tailor in Köln who was able to reproduce it in the most pale of blues. With a pastel yellow shirt and a pair of designer shoes, I received positive attention whenever I wore it in public.
That being said, most of the advice given is correct (IMHO.) Suits have to be tailored to have the full effect. You have to be comfortable wearing them (in case you have to dance or fight. It’s one time in which having an extra inch in the inseam is good.) White, grey and black tend to look funereal, so they need to be avoided as base colors (if they’re unavoidable, your shirt needs to be chosen for contrast and your pocketsquare should be a complementary color to the shirt, not a match. Matching accessories=business.)
When a buddy of mine saw the reaction that I received in my suit, he gave me some hints. Although he relied on wearing black, grey and white, he had a collection of dress shirts that boggled the mind. He’d wear primary/secondary colors with his greys, muted/darkened colors with his whites and pastels/pallids with his blacks. I remember, for a function, we had to get suited up. I wore a pine needle green pinstripe suit with a yellow shirt and red narcissus, be wore a navy blue suit with a lavender shirt and a gold pocketsquare. The next day, I woke up besides a cute 18 year old Polish chick. When I saw him on Monday, he told me that he spent the night hanging out with a navigator who told him that he was, “Walking sexual harassment”. Then he pulled out his phone and showed me a few pictures of her, “There’s a dick inside of me!”, face. Fucking Italians, always one-upping me.
Suit in my opinion hinders your moves in a club.There is also the likelihood to see it burned accidentally by the cigarettes of jealous guys.
I am not sure if it makes any difference in FSU although I have seen some rich Ukrainian guys suited up.
The bouncers treat you better if you wear a suit, and you get served faster at the bar, that’s for sure. Shorter guys can improve their game by wearing a suit, in my experience.
With regards to being hot in a suit, can’t get around a little extra warmth when adding a layer, but the suit you linked to is wool (most likely medium weight) and fully lined.
You can get suits and jackets in tropical weight wool, cotton (seersucker, chino, broadcloth), linen, etc. Also, whether a suit is fully, partially or unlined makes a noticeable difference.
I think an unlined summer suit in a light fabric is a good investment as at a minimum you’ll wear it to a couple weddings each year. Can always get seersucker with narrow grey stripes instead of the more traditional wide blue stripes if you want something basic that will work with most anything.
[Roosh: This is the suit.. http://static.zara.net/photos//2011/I/0/2/p/5662/562/800/5662562800_1_1_2.jpg ]
Dude, can I buy that suit from you? I want to give it to my brother; he’s an undertaker.
Unless, just like you stated, if the venue is posh and calls for suits, then go with a suit. But I think suits are more or less a thing for business meetings to impress colleagues.
And it is not a replacement for common sense and intelligence i.e. knowing where to go to meet women and what women are worth speaking to, and what women you should pre-snub.
I agree with your experimentation results. I tested a suit for 6 months and I was also do less approaches. Also I found out, I escalated way less by woman. I call it the “non.escalation outfit” and for that reason I created for me a “escalation outfit”. With that, I have more makeouts, dates, … etc. It’s more like a normal well dressed outfit but good looking.
i am experimenting with the blazer look. i think it might be better than the suit look because it looks more effortless and natural. like i have yacht standing by.
when i have worn a suit, i always get asked, “where are you going?”, as if i have a wedding or funeral or something. when i dress up with a blazer, nice shirt, tucked in shirt, belt, dark jeans, and leather shoes, i just look good, and i think girls assume it’s more of a lifestyle thing, not an event thing.
About five years ago, I met a girl in a club, did the nasty and arranged to meet her the next day. As it happened, I had a bunch of business meetings that day, so when I turned up to my meeting with her I was suited and booted.
Boy, you would not believe how impressed she was to see me in my finest. It lasted for 6 months on, I belive, thst impression alone.
the blazer look, artistic version:
Roosh provides the final word.
“Suit game” is over-hyped on the rooshv forum, and it is about time somebody put an end to the hype.
Good work, Roosh.
pre-red pill, i threw on a sports-coat over casual wear to enhance the look. got the compliments, and girls loved it. my ego was high, but my close rate was low.
post-red pill, my game is tighter, and i rarely rock a sportscoat anymore. i keep it simple, clean. and i get better results because i rely more on my game rather than my facade.
i occasionally throw on a sportscoat now and then, but it is usually for semi-formal events or second dates. never for first impressions. if i do, i pare it down significantly with casual wear so i don’t come off as a corporate fruitcake, even though i play the part for most of the week.
so i’m with roosh on this one. function before form.
This is a great article. I’ve been wearing jackets and sportcoats for years. A couple of observations:
1) Jackets/sportcoats will attract different kind of women than jeans & t-shirt. Classier, more educated, more expensive.
2) There has to be a certain amount of congruency, that is, if you’re wearing a jacket but speaking like a California Surfer Dude, this is silly. Women who like men dressed in jackets or suits, expect them to behave like MEN not like GUYS.
3) You have to wear jackets EVERY DAY. I can quickly tell if a guy in a club wears jackets only to clubs. It’s gotta feel completely natural to you, you shouldn’t care how it “sits” or what it looks like when you strike a certain pose and you shouldn’t be overly protective about it. There’s no way to feel completely natural in it without wearing it regularly and casually.
I wonder if there’s an age factor here. Young men may not get much additional action from a suit, but for us older gents I think it’s pretty much a necessity. At my age (early 50s) I’m in a jacket and tie almost any time I’m out – even when grocery shopping. It DOES set you apart from the teeming mass of slobs. And you do feel more in command of your world when you’re well dressed.
Also, contrast is king. When I’m not in a jacket and tie, I’m wearing good outdoor boots and jeans, or bike boots and leathers. It’s interesting to meet a girl in one outfit, then see her again in the other. Order seems to be unimportant; she’s always a bit taken by the contrast.
Haggle with the Indian tailors in Thailand, get some top shelf fabric, and maybe see if there is a difference with handmade (will probably cost the same as your non-tailored from Europe).
black jacket, but it rocks:
Roosh dont tell me you are wearing a suit on a sat night??…
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Number 9:A suit will make you feel hot. Indeed.
I wear suit 365 days a years, and never get out of it, there’s no need to.
Wearing a suit only looks good if you’re a tall White male with a large frame. You don’t see it looking good on short Chinese restaurant owners.
If you’re scrawny, someone who spends more time with the books and teaching, then it’s going to look pathetic.
It’s not comfortable for the most part, especially when you’re overly self conscious and paranoid that someone might spill shit on you.
As a science student, it simply feels wrong to wear one. It makes you wonder how businessmen can put up with getting into one every morning and reminding yourself that you’re the slave of the monetary system.