In the past I’ve written about how spending time abroad helps my game when I return back to the States. Being put in new situations with foreign women apparently translated into a better ability to fuck American women. Now that I’ve been in Europe for so long, coming home must mean I’ll be able to fuck American girls on demand, right?
I recently spent three weeks in Hvar, a Croatian island that is often rated in the top ten of European summer destinations. I went with a plan to pick up some Eastern European flags, but unfortunately the island was stacked with British and other Anglo women. Because I still wanted to get laid, I made due and tried to bang anyway.
My results were poor: in my first ten nights I banged only two British girls. That’s a one out of five night success rate, which is actually worse than what I was getting in Washington DC before I left. Granted, one of the girls was a virgin, and I did run out of gas after the fifth consecutive night going out, but I worked hard to get paltry results from women who were vacationing and supposed to be easy. Here’s what happened:
1. My time in Europe is taking me away from the optimum game to bang Western women. Western game is very particular: put out a fun, cocky vibe and maintain nonsexual banter until going for the kill with a subtle weasel move in the end. This has not been my game for about two years now. I’ve been a “confident beta” who compliments, buys women drinks, and romances them by showing affection and making them feel like they’re being swept off their feet. Western women don’t reward that type of game.
2. Western women want to keep conversations superficial and comical. I don’t go to the club to have philosophical discussions, but after thirty minutes of conversation with an Eastern European girl, I want to ask her questions that give me an idea on who she really is. With a Western girl, you have to continue the witty banter to infinity—it never stops, even after sex. You need to entertain your way into her pants and if you hit her with a couple bad jokes then she will lose attraction for you. She only cares if you’re stimulating her in the present moment. Western women want stand-up comedians while Eastern European women want a good man.
3. Western women kill the moment and soften your boner. I was on my balcony with a Canadian girl from Toronto. When I got close for the kiss she said, “Okay so is this where we kiss? I think we can kiss. But we can only kiss and that’s all.” She wouldn’t stop talking about the kiss, like it was the biggest thing in the world. I almost felt like she wanted me to sign a contract specifying how the kiss would go down. Suddenly I felt like there were twenty cameras on me and what was supposed to be an intimate moment became farce.
The second example happened with an Australian girl while still at the club. I went for the kiss at about the hour mark and when I got to within two inches of her face she said, “Really? You’re trying to kiss me already?” I scratched my head a bit and then went in again a few minutes later, only for her to keep saying “Really?” I told her to stop acting like she’s doing the director commentary on a DVD. I got the kiss, but when I’d do any escalation move she’d say “Really?”
4. Western women are less forgiving of any errors you make. While it didn’t help that the island was stacked with dudes who were approaching like mad, Western women are ready to jump ship when you make the slightest mistake. Did you give a comment that may be construed as a needy compliment? She walks. Did you call her out for an incorrect statement she made? She walks. Did you show an ounce of raw male desire? She walks. If you don’t put on a perfect performance, and she thinks she has other options, she will absolutely not give you the benefit of the doubt.
5. They think they are hotter or better than they actually are. It’s been a while since I’ve seen so many overweight women acting like they are prizes on the sexual dating market. In Eastern European countries I’d get free love from 5s and below who would make it easy for me to get at least some action, but Western 5s don’t give you love—they cockblock you and make fun of you. Fat girls who are past their prime gave me shit for no reason when I wasn’t even hitting on them.
6. They have a herd mentality and act as if they’re still teenagers. If a girl likes you, but her four friends don’t, then you’re out of luck. To get one lay you have to make sure all her friends think you’re a great guy, and if just one of them doesn’t like your hair style then she will make it her life mission to cockblock you. In Eastern Europe, I could ignore the friend and just go for the one I like, but with Western women you have to “game” the entire group, including the ugly one with attitude. Girls who I would never interact with voluntarily hold the keys to my sexual success, and besides day gaming, there’s nothing I can do about it.
7. They are slaves to the “natural” seduction. They believe that amazing and intimate moments happen to them passively and that they shouldn’t put conscious effort into helping it along. In Eastern Europe, you can actually use logic to get a girl in bed. You can ask her, “Have you made love with an American man before?” and if she says no you can respond, “Well now is your opportunity. Let’s go to my apartment, listen to some good music, and make love.” While the girl would laugh and say no, we would then go to my apartment, listen to music, and bang. Say a similar line to a Western girl and she’d think you were a desperate creep because you’re verbalizing something that should “just happen.” You can’t talk about sex and must hope instead that you two tumble on the ground and your dick pops into her vagina. The bathroom line I wrote about in Bang that is stupid effective to get into an American girl’s place is too corny to use on Eastern European women.
As much as I’ve blasted Western women here, I go in fresh with every new encounter. Believe it or not, my biases won’t automatically come up if tomorrow I happen to meet, say, an Irish girl. I’m warm, affectionate, and maybe even a little romantic. That’s a problem because Western women don’t want a man with those traits—Eastern European women do. Western women want comedians who fit a profile of something they recently saw in a romantic comedy where sex happens magically while the man pretends all along that he doesn’t want sex. He accomplishes that by constantly teasing and making jokes. Apparently I used to be good at doing the same, but it doesn’t seem to be the case anymore. Without any doubt in my mind I can tell you that my ability at banging Western girls has gone down. And I think that’s the best thing that has happened to me.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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“Say a similar line to a Western girl and she’d think you were a desperate creep because you’re verbalizing something that should “just happen.” You can’t talk about sex and must hope instead that you two tumble on the ground and your dick pops into her vagina.”
Indeed – I’ve written about this several times before, and it’s really infuriating. Girls are in eternal slavery to the “it just happens” idea. While this makes a man with good Alpha/cocky-funny game likely to bang them very quickly, it’s absolutely infuriating when it comes to naturally expressing desire or complimenting. A single sentence about how you like her or what you’ve liked about her or when you started liking her will send you spinning one-way into the friendzone and that’s it.
It happened to me a lot before I developed good game, and it’s still one of the kinds of female behaviour that I despise the most.
its tru Roosh – everythiong you have sadi …its all true ….
Interestingly you seem to be embracing the subtle move towards “confident beta”. This is surprising considering your perception of beta males during your earliest stays in Europe.
Dude… There’s no plausible reason to put up with these social freaks…
I’ve tried “american” game here in Brazil with poor results and I really hope things keep this way. Girls here are still normal!
you seem to be becoming a better man!
Think about it this way Roosh; although you aren’t banging the same quantity of girls, the girls you do bang seem to be better quality overall – you banged a virgin for Christsakes. Do you think you would have gotten the virgin with regular asshole game?
I remember someone on the forum saying that game is like boxing – if you even take 2 weeks off it messes up your timing. Sounds like he was right if even Roosh had problems.
I’m sure Roosh will be back in championship form quickly.
Hell if you think about it you can turn any slight “mistake” to your benefit. If a western girl calls you out on anything you’ve said (which they almost always do) tell them you’ve been traveling from country to coutry for so long you forget the subtle nuances of western conversation. Western girls love and will forgive a well traveled man with experience.
I don’t read that as a criticism of your skills, but of the character of Western women as a whole. I have yet to seed my way across Europe, but I can say after spending a lot of time in Asia and the Middle East that “just being myself,” which is to say more polite, caring, and sincere than I would be otherwise works in my favor WAY better than it does in the West where I always have to be “on.”
Whenever I hear nonsense about how independent (Western) women are I think back to all the times I’ve been in the situation you described: a girl is into me, one of her ugly friends isn’t, so naturally she cannot leave with me or even keep my company. She absolutely NEEDS her friends approval, meaning she really isn’t independent at all. It’s gotten to the point where I seldom approach girls in groups with unattractive cockblockers. It’s no longer worth my while to try to win the approval of obnoxious, ugly girls to get a potential bang. Once in a blue moon in Asia sure, but fuck around in the West and you have to do this ALL THE TIME. I wonder if attractive girls realize how many high-quality men (i.e. men above holding court with hogs) their ugly friends repel?
I totally feel you on this one Roosh. I spend about two months a year out of the US on either work or holiday, and when I come back my game is all out of whack. It has to be “re-calibrated” for western women.
My current strategy in the US has been to approach both day and night, and when I meet them, quickly “NEXT” / screen out women who:
1) Do not have decent travel experience, as worldly travel[outside of western europe]is one indicator of an open mind.
2) Don’t seem connected to their culture of origin, and/or don’t seem concerned about mine. For example, I met a sexy Dominican-American girl on a night bike ride, and during the convo she talked about her country and family, and asked about the food of my culture. This puts her ahead of the curve. Sounds simple, but most American women are not thoughtful enough for this kind of talk.
I’m still adding to this list. These are things help screen out women that are TOO “westernized” here in the US, and enable me to use game that isn’t so cocky and based on superficial/comedian conversation.
Western women are way too unforgiving. When I was still a clueless Beta I took girls to dinner and whatnot, and would get nothing in return. Or sometimes I’d compliment a girl (who were usually in the 6 range, yet thought they were a 10) and she’d laugh and insult me because I wasn’t a huge asshole to her.
In contrast I recently dated a Nicaraguan Punta dancer (solid 8). We went on the most awkward first date ever (we went to get lunch, but the chef went on break so we sat there for an hour and a half before finally getting food), yet she still wanted to go out with me again and we ended up banging latter that evening.
Amazing post, which has reignited my desire to travel to greener pastures after your story of the last few days. Pure truth from beginning to end.
“I remember someone on the forum saying that game is like boxing”
Might have been me.
I relate everything in life to boxing.
When you say “Western Women”, are you throwing in girls from Spain and France into that mix?
Are French girls from Montreal getting thrown in?
[Roosh: By "Western" I predominately mean Anglo, with qualities shared by some in Western Europe and Scandinavia.]
Personally, I’d consider it shedding dead weight. Having mixed with the class of Europe, there’s no reason to go back to the sewer of native English speakers
I can confirm, it’s pretty awful out there on the streets of DC. I can’t get over how you can’t be nice.
I don’t know how many men could master that kind of game, even if they wanted to. There is an emotional cost to that. Your soul is a valuable thing. Go foreign early.
“Are French girls from Montreal getting thrown in?”
Born and raised in Montreal… I would say yes. We’re all Westerners here my friend. There’s no notable difference in character between girls of any large North American city.
So disturbing and so true. I wish there was a way to reverse the situation at home.
Damnit, I just came back from Africa one month ago and I really have problems getting used to the Western girls again… It seems to be so much more difficult… especially in Germany, maybe that is just a bias but I get this impression for years now.
Hmmmm, I don’t have these problems with fat American bitches. Roosh, have you considered fat acceptance? I understand if you don’t like big women, but with fat acceptance you can employ different game, and it’s easier to have condomless sex.
Great Post Roosh! Its so true, your Margin for error is very small. One slip up even after many great interactions or dates could easily mean the end. You have to be on your game every second never letting your guard down. I haven’t yet gamed in EE but in South America (Peru, Colombia) Girls just want a nice genuine guy that treats them well.
noo rooshiepoops you are wrong….
high fruitcose corn syrup and feminism has made the west the best….
oh, except for low status men who are subhuman to the feminist critique and don’t matter anyways….
Well really, why waste your time on WG ? I comeon, once you tried the foreigners there’s no going back anyway.
I have ocmpletely given up on western girls. When I see them on the street I can recognize them from miles away. The way they walk, dress, their entire body language.
They are oozing hostility, arrogance and anger. Once you’ve seen that, they will know that you’ve seen it…and you and them will be enemies for ever.
Maybe this explains why I have a harder time than most adopting western game. I spent a lot of time in India (could have been anywhere that expands your mind). So I’m less willing to take shit from american women.
On the pragmatic side, the “it just happens” thing can be reverse-engineered to work for you, rather than against you. Obviously some already know this, but it’s news to me and it’s helpful to understand the mentality if you want to partake of the finest of sewer waters that we have on offer here.
I wished all American (men and women) had Roosh’s insight about this difference.
The world would be a better place.
Roosh, question about point 5.
5. They think they are hotter or better than they actually are.
Do yo find that western women in a foreign venue (such as the place you described) calibrate their attitudes or have any thoughts about the eastern women in the same club outclassing them physically? Or is it complete western obliviousness to their SMV in that venue?
[Roosh: They don't calibrate, they simply withdraw from the dating market. American girls in Ukraine, for example, would go out and only hang with expats while complaining about the local dating scene. The cuter ones may adjust a bit (wear heels more often) but the low quality ones don't change their behavior or appearance. They rationalize why they don't want to date in that city. In a resort environment, like Hvar, they act like they would in a trip to Las Vegas, so more slutty clothes but similar attitude.]
On the other hand, non-Western women being more feminine will leave you feeling more masculine. American game may be funny/cocky, but that romcom crap also detracts from the natural male/female balance. I.e. Western women use too much funny/cocky on their own which needs to be constantly trumped. They’re like penisless men.
“Western 5s don’t give you love—they cockblock you and make fun of you.”
This isn’t because they think they’re hotter than they are. This is because they have learned to get a dopamine hit from rejecting others in lieu of enjoying people’s company. Instead of sexual power, they enjoy the power of putting others down. Sadly, in the process they become husks.
At some point I realized that the Anglosphere woman was not just another cultural variation, but they stand alone in being a poisoned tree. I realized that women from all other countries can be treated normally – they respond as human beings. It’s only in the English-speaking countries that women are so disconnected from their true natures.
”5. They think they are hotter or better than they actually are”
that’s really the whole problem, probably. These bitches are arrogant. I myself have found ugly, fat bitches who delude themselves in thinking they can make a man believe she’s actually attractive.
Hell, I have heard fat skanks say ‘I know I am attractive’ ( she wasn’t saying that to me, or I would have puked). But I have also heard eastern european cool, really attractive girls, say ‘I am just an average girl’. America is full of bullshit…that bullshit educate women there to be full of shit. UK and Australia come right after.
I think when Western women meet Western men abroad, their standards all of a sudden shoot up, where they normally wouldn’t, had the both of you been back home. After all, they’re overseas and looking for the exotic. When they run into a guy from “home” he’ll certainly have to jump through more hoops to keep interest.
“Do yo find that western women in a foreign venue (such as the place you described) calibrate their attitudes or have any thoughts about the eastern women in the same club outclassing them physically? Or is it complete western obliviousness to their SMV in that venue?”
In Thailand I’ve seen Western girls being completely outcompeted by the local girls, yet still keeping up their bitchy attitude.
The local girls are friendly and often try to get in contact with you without you even doing anything.
Obviously the Wester girls cannot do anything against that, so they resort to calling the guys there sex tourist and “not being able to handle western women”. It cracks me up every time.
Guys there simply ignores them since the tables has turned completely. It’s actually an utter joy !
I found this blog about the phenomeon.
Hey Roosh, did you piss in a certain porcine mangina‘s corn flakes recently? He’s become obsessed with you.
[Roosh: He made two hater posts about me last week but they sent about 210 hits total. The first 30 minutes of a tweet of mine sends that much traffic. He's inconsequential and seems to target dykes who are obsessed with rape. Even to feminists he's extreme.]
Bolt definitely banged all three of those chicks—the guy is a stud.
Goddamn Roosh. While I haven’t had half the experiences you’ve had or ever been to EE, what you’re saying resonates on so many levels. Every point you just made is a verbatim description of my nightlife lately.
Man,I think you idealize eastern european girls too much where in reality the western virus has already landed in Poland for instance you can see it happening realy quick,its unbelivable,I have been seeing this shit with my own eyes over the last couple years
Losing the ability, Roosh? Does your dick not work?
As an Asian man living in a hick Canadian east coast college town, I can only attest that Western women are just ridiculously arrogant and on many levels implicitly racist. The fat ones are just simply deluded thinking they are a 10.
I have had significantly better game in Vancouver, even before I was introduced to the concepts of PUA and game; of which I am alluding to the large number of first generation Asian immigrants creating a more even playing ground.
I don’t think you are describing traits only for the women in the anglosphere. I live in Spain,and most men have the same complaints about women (except for the high obesity rate). After being with foreigners all my life I can be sure I don’t want to get involved with spaniards any longer. My girlfriend is portuguese , and the difference is very remarkable.
The truth is harsh and difficult, but its still the truth. Western women are garbage. They make a sport out of being mean, usually cockblocking themselves in the process. Western women love being abused by men too. It’s a tough scene here in the US. I can’t wait to make enough money to leave this shitty culture behind for a while.
On point #5: I’m certain these days that the ugly cockblocker phenomenon is an expression of beta female game. It’s how socially aggressive ugly girls get laid. Sort of how like beta males look to scavenge the approaches of an alpha by attempting to interject into a conversation, he beta female forcefully interjects under the pretense of “saving” her friend.
I cannot tell you how many times a female cockblocker has pulled a 180 from antagonistic to amiable and receptive the moment I made her think I desired her instead of her hot friend.
Agree with Beta Plus at 7. A week back in DC and you will be getting laid again like a champ. Just get a good set of ear plugs.
“I don’t think you are describing traits only for the women in the anglosphere. I live in Spain,and most men have the same complaints about women”
Actually I didn’t find it too hard to meet girls in the Metro when I was in Madrid. Try that in Miami, you will see what a bitchy attitude really is!!
I went to Cuenca Ecuador a couple of years back and it’s amazing how arrogant and full of themselves the few attractive local girls were. Just like American chicks.
But when I talked to the girls from the coastal region living in cuenca, they were much nicer sexier and responsive. Its definitely a regional thing, not so much a national thing.
how did this happen to the US?
western women are good for one thing: practice.
Its only few years until western bitches will officially demand to be called “Queens”, Ladies, Dominatrix or Goddesses. And treated this way.
If you dont comply, get the hell out.
There are legions of betas willing to make their way into a Bitches feets. or under their boots…
You’re doomed in the West, its a total female supremacy, and you better start copulation with some chinese or philipina chicks.
Allow me to present a alternative theory.
Attitude problems in Anglo women come from not high but low self esteem.
They reject nice men because from their prespective a man treating them nice does not see them as the terrible person they know themselves to be. This leads them to conclude that the nice guy is not intelligent/worthy of respect.
An assholes’s prespective matches their own view of themselves.
‘I know I am attractive’ < If you hear a woman say this, know that she is only trying to convince herself. In reality she views herself as not attractive. Women are great at lying to others as well as their own selves.
Also western vs non-western women's attitude can only be compared by observing how they each treat their own local males, not a tourist from US.
That’s a one out of five night success rate, which is actually worse than what I was getting in Washington DC before I left
Does this mean that you were sleeping with a new girl every 4 days in DC? Were you sleeping with 80-100 girls a year? That’s some serious numbers if that were the case.
[Roosh: No no. Once every five nights going out.]
Guess we won’t be seeing a Bang Toronto anytime soon.
Now you know what we Torontonians have to deal with.
Dave Fucktrelle always tells it how it is
American and British sack-of-shit females are sloppy seconds compared to non westernized women. Why the fuck would you want to bother? If you are that horny you are better off simply ramming your cock in a dung heap for the time being.
Why the hell would you even want a Western girl? Loud, obnoxious, fat, full of themselves, full of VD, superficial, stupid, pack mentality monsters. Heck your “virgin” has probably done more anal, hand and blow jobs, than a porn star.
You said yourself you have to be in top game to get one of these girls into bed. So you have two restaurants to eat at. One serves greasy hamburgers with wilted condiments, bad services, and a good chance of food poisoning. The meal costs $300. The other one serves steak, incredible seafood, and the best seasoned salads. The meal costs $30. And you patronize the burger joint because….? Actually refusing to put any effort into these hoes is a winning tactic for me. Even their bitchy friends can’t stand it when I find exactly NONE of the dishes on offer worthy of my attention.
This is one of the best articles I’ve read in a long time.
Makes me wonder why I put up with it. I don’t have near the success rate of “once for every 5 nights of going out” but I do ok, and I’ve banged more than my fair share.
I swear to god I’m going MGTOW in 10 years when I’m 45. As I told Ashur today, “I can’t do this forever.” What I should have said is “I *won’t* do this forever.”
you won’t be missing banging American chicks. it’s always been an overrated enterprise.
Mentu – I’ve thought the exact same thing.
Could it be the hormones? Western women are like ravenous zombies when it comes to Pilling themselves up: “NOM NOM NOM, me want Free Obamacare Birth Control Pills(TM) now or me will explode NOM NOM NOM”
The hormone pollution gets into our freshwater supply, probably hangs around in the uterus and messes with men’s reproductive systems.
Don’t just get away from America to find better women, get away because at least Third World soot-type contamination won’t make you a hermaphrodite.
It does seem like girls in the southern states and midwest are more friendly though. Will anyone talk about regions of the states?
Roosh is batting 20% and Professor Mentu is lower. These guys are the Pros – for the average Joe trying to game the success rate is much lower. Not whining here, but any rational man has to question if it is worth it. ESPECIALLY for western women? Going out 10 nights (or more) to get a single bang of suspect quality? No wonder most cats sit at home playing video games…..
You may want to change “Western” with Anglo, and this would be spot on.
To be honest, throwing Anglo women into the garbage bin (where they belong) was one of the best decisions I’ve ever made in my life.
“Dave Fucktrelle always tells it how it is”
oh, old lady on a bus, I luv u!!!!
Roosh and all others here
I’m an American from Chicago as well as an U.S. Army veteran of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Of course I’ve been to Iraq an Afghanistan, but I’ve been to Kuwait and Kyrgyzstan as well. I started to suspect that American Women were a pain to deal with when I was in Europe for a semester in London, England. I traveled to other cities in Britain besides London and have been to Edinborough, Scotland. I spent most of my time in London, but I visited France, Switzerland, Italy, Austria, Germany and Ireland. I’m 44 now and was 20 when I was in Europe. Starting when I was 28 I spent almost 8 years in East Asia and left when for the last time when I was 34. I spent most of my time in Seoul, South Korea but was living other places on the Korean peninsula. I’ve also been to Hong Kong, Macau and Japan. When I was in Asia, I knew the quality of American women was on average poor in nearly all respects in comparison to other women.
@redub. Your intuition about the South and Midwest is spot-on: these are absolutely the best regions of the US to find hot, feminine girls. And they do exist! Maybe this is part of the reason why the two coasts are so invested in cultivating a sense of superiority over us with all their talk of “flyover country” and whatnot. Believe me, we don’t give a shit because there are much hotter girls in Minneapolis, Madison, Iowa, or any southern college town than you will find in Boston, Phily, DC, SF, etc. Not even close. And that’s why I can’t fully get behind your thesis, Roosh. I mean, sure, urbanized American trust fund bitches (which is who you’re meeting on island vacations in Europe) are a complete and utter joke, but there are solid American girls out there if you know where to look.
I made a typo above. I meant to say I left East Asia for the last time when I was 38.
Almost all other women besides American women are at least initially more pleasant to deal with when first meeting them on average. This doesn’t mean she won’t rake you over the hot scalding coals if you marry or otherwise get into a long term relationship with a foreign woman so beware. South Korea has a 40-45% divorce rate and the divorce rate between foreigners and Koreans is a bit higher as a cautionary example. Just about everything Roosh says above I could have told you more than a decade ago, and started to strongly suspect it was the truth over two decades ago. Rabid diseased feminism is spreading the world over. Keep writing and puting it on the internet, Roosh. The internet did not become wisely available until the late 1990s to most Americans and there was no way to know the truth. Now there is with the internet. Keep spreading the good word whereever and whenever you can, ladies and gentlmen.
The sad part is that it was nearly impossible to know all of this without the internet when I was young. The only way one could learn was through hard experience of what one went through or saw and heard of what others went through. Even then most were so brainwashed that they were tied to their false beliefs. When one started to see through the lies, little to no support was forthcoming. With sites like this, and there are many and ever increasing, you can know you are not alone in your beliefs, and you are not a weirdo and you are fundementally correct in your beliefs. In this case it happens to be about women, men and their relationships and how they function especially when it comes to the USA.
Why don’t you just say it how it is. You’re losing the ability to bang American women.
no surprise about the Toronto girl, Roosh. women from here have the nastiest bitch-shields in the World of Game. is it any wonder why maestros like Mystery and Tyler came from here? if you can collect notches here, you can do it anywhere… stay away players (unless you’re seeking to test your game against bitchy 6′s and their cackling witch hordes)
Ita always takes some time to recalibrate to a new environment. If you moved back to the usa you would adjust your game and find a successful formula. You haven’t lost the ability, you are just out of practice. That being said, I’m sure american women are more of a pain in the ass in general. But, you would be banging them if you wanted to.
I have been targeting recent immigrants who are not so familiar with the western ways. I think Krauser did a good job of this in London.
ROOSH you are our hero. Thank you for pointing out the obvious:
Western women just want a standup comedian AND THEY LOST ALL THEIR FEMINITY. They are guys now, not girls anymore.
SO TRUE !
I myself have not lost the ability, but I have lost the patience for them. They are overvalued! They are a poor ROI (return on investment).
The problem with American women is the way they’ve bred themselves. You see, in other countries most of women are raised to be companions to men in order to build a family and establish a legacy. In America, the women’s mindset is to defeat male power, thank you feminism!
Because of this mentality, most American women want to bring a man down to their level. They want to shrink him down to size, and rob him of all his confidence and self-esteem. They want all that men have under their control and in order, to deal with them and get what we want, we have to figure out how to stay strong while we’re being assaulted, emotionally and psychologically.
That’s the big problem.
I should mention I think it’s still possible to game American women with cold approaches, but the bar is far, far higher.
You need to be in that top 1% of alphaness in this country to make it really work for you.
If you’re in East Europe where the dudes are poor alcoholics then you can be top 1% alpha just by being a well-adjusted human. Not to mention being from the West means your status is higher than 99% of guys by default.
It’s all about channeling your success into the cultivation of physical and personality traits that are going to attract women.
6. They have a herd mentality and act as if they’re still teenagers.
They don´t act as teenagers, they ARE teenagers mentally. Remember that all women have the mind of a teenager all their lives. That’s why a 45 year old bitch still thinks she’s a gorgeous 16 year old.
hey, i’m a noob, but isn’t it, that she’s giving you good chance to defeat her verbally, and get to dominate her? Than she will be turned to being submitted to you, and not bossy. Sure there will be a lot of the tests initially, but as you defeat her more and more, she’ll lose confidance, and eventually stop, thus you got her! If she’s nice loking and attractive. If she’s maybe unfeminnine, once assured that you are the top dog in relationship, she will be wanting to please you and learn the way you like her to behave. If you’re loking something short term, like a fling, forget what i’m telling.
Sorry for bad english
academic economics (pre-recession):
go to international school,
get high-paying american/anglo job easily
learn american/anglo game,
get international girl easily
In the latter, the passive approach is to live in a big city. the proactive approach is to fully immerse socially. or just approach a lot. the natural waves of shit tests and perpetual sizing up require thick skin and street smarts that will naturally be internalized just to survive.
ideal situation is to capitalize SMV on the western benefits (economics) and eastern value (femininity) by assuming the role of culturally adaptable expat. though not ideal/available/suitable for everyone, the alternative is to travel far & wide and ultimately yield the tiger woods effect where all you have to do is show up and your high value is pre-established, usually through natural exotic contrast to the local scene (physique, accent, style). I once traveled with a short asian dude in colombia who got eaten up by young latinas by merit of his vertical challenge. he was able to close because he had a working larynx and limbs.
game is essential, but ultimately strategy is the path of least resistance towards optimal outcome.
Well as a Westerner talking to a Western woman, the bar is going to be much higher for you.
Just as the bar is higher for an Asian man talking to an Asian woman. Or Jewish man talking to a Jewish woman. Etc. Etc. Etc.
The real question – do these foreign women give the same crap to their native men? Hmmm…
I don’t know if there is really all this big difference between Western and Eastern… I am from Italy where women’s entitlement is beyond any reasonable level. I am now living in Paris and I saw any kind of situation.
Regardless, when you go for the kiss, and the girl shows some hesitation, it usually works the following: stay calm, take her neck, look her in the eyes and, with confidence, say slightly louder than whispering “don’t worry, I know what I am doing”, and go for the kiss.
9/10 success. Alpha.
“Attitude problems in Anglo women come from not high but low self esteem.
They reject nice men because from their prespective a man treating them nice does not see them as the terrible person they know themselves to be. This leads them to conclude that the nice guy is not intelligent/worthy of respect.”
This is insightful.
Roosh, you are a real beta. Waiting for an hour to kiss an Aussie girl? Especially the sort who travels to places like that. Back home after two minutes of dancing/groping you can stick your tongue down their throat and cop a BJ in the toilet by the hour mark if you are an alpha. Selling out my own country…
Aaah! So you fucked british chicks. That’s something more than krauser has been able to do. And one of them was a virgin? Not bad! And the other, what she look like?
EE is rapidly getting westernized, take a look at Croatia for example or Cezch Rep and you will see that virus is spreading at the speed of light, for one reason or another EEuroropeans have inferiority complex and they all wanna be westerners; they all wanna speak English, have nice car and house and be independent.
Italian, Serbian women are just as bad..further east you go the more authentic and feminine women are
Is the juice worth the squeeze? The answer is no. Fuck no.
Excellent article Rooshv. Right on point. I have been utterly sick of western women ever since I first travelled through the former ussr countries. When I returned to the west, I could not even look at women. I found them revolting. Their arrogance firstly and secondly their cr*p appearance… Almost all my class/college/university mates (females) are single and well over 30 – and so they will remain. That will be their punishment.
I was approached by a friend recently to consider “marrying” a friend of hers who is about to be deported back to her native country. This girl is 41 apparently, and even though she spent her entire 20s and 30s living in the US illegally, under threat of deportation, she was too picky and arrogant towards men and couldn’t find anyone worthy of marrying her when she was at the HEIGHT of her looks! Now she is shit out of luck desperate cuz time has run out! Astonishing! Who knows how many betas she turned down in her twenties who were really to do her the honor of a fake marriage for visa purposes. I hope her arrogant ass gets deported pronto.
Wow this article has very strong resonation with me.
You CAN’T fuck up in the slightest or else shes gone for LIFE without any warning.
You put a comma in the wrong place in a text you never hear from her again.
I heard David Futrelle is hitting 9s and 10s every day of the week. That is he’s jerking off on Chat Roulette 9 or 10 times every day.
Stop complaining and get back out there. You sound like a female.
the sum up of how western girls on vacation is perfect (in the comment section). I was just partying in Greece and it is a similiar deal with Aussie chicks and basically any anglo girl. Blah blah blah.
Being a little bit ethnocentric here, aren’t we? You do realize Eastern European women are also Western women. The real Eastern women are the ones from Asia and India.
David Fucktrelle is seriously fucked up in the head.
Realize that girls gone fucked up in every rich country.
This is universal! If a bitch has enough money, food, feels “safe” she will always , ALWAYS become SPOILED. Without any good human traits.
This is exactly what movie “Fight Club” was trying to tell westeners.
You must fight, work, earn for your living. Only then you’ll feel and act alive.
In todays modern society bitch does not have to work for food…. her father will give her everything or husband or boyfriend for free.
The safety and comfort of USA and Europe is slowly killing both men and women. In a LTR or marriage… you dont have to chase the pussy. After 2 years its nothing but boredom. Your test. levels drop- your biology feels no reason to make you a warrior, fcking machine, etc- you stay indoors with one fat, nagging bitch.
Same is true in fitness area. Folks no longer actually need a fit body. We have cars, tv, online shopping and credit cards. Obesity? Give me a break. Give a body a break, feel the hunger. No, people consume food products( rarely real, natural food….) just because its there, available , cheap and they have nothing else to do.
THATS a fundamental reason behind all sociological drama in the West. We should have a huge, GIGANTIC ecomomic crisis, to wipe out the weak, non productive and delusional and of course not unique snow flakes
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It’s what I see in Switzerland everyday;girls think they’re a lot cuter than they actually are, they treat badly guys who Are kind and really care about them,complaining then after fucking idiots that all guys are like that and blablabla… I even stopped going out with them because they only want providers and look for the money. I’ll surely follow your advice and look, as many guys in my country do, for a south american girl who appreciates a good guy and who wants a family. Here girls look for an husband when they’re old,fat and when they’ve been banged a lot of times… Poor western world, i simply don’t understand how our girls could change this way! Greetings to you and your readers and go on like this=)
This hits home. My interaction with women is more natural. It is no wonder I only seem to like dating Eastern European women. I can’t seem to get along at all with British women and I find them boring and stiff.
I’m also dating an American and every time I try to get a little sexual flirtation going she kills it with some weird remark. It’s as if these women are still little girls who think talking about sex is gross. For women that have a lot of sex with strangers they sure don’t seem to like it. My interactions with her hit me like a sledgehammer a reminder of what it was like before I left home.
I feel like a man when I’m with an Eastern European woman. I feel like a robot when I’m with an American or Canadian woman.
Thanks Your Mom!
I need to go to Eastern Europe. The only place I’ve spent time outside of the West has been Asia but that has already opened my eyes to how things are different in different areas of the world. I would love to meet women who are happy with some deep conversation after half an hour.
you’re getting too old for this. once you start getting up there, you become creepy to the younger ones and the ones your age want security and responsiblity and a guy with a decent job. to non-western women, you’re money-relatively speaking and possibly just for the night, a potential greencard, or a novelty.
Creepy? I’m 41 and I took home a 23 year old awhile back.
im mexican and mexican girls are like americans but i went to honduras recently and they are easy
This post could have been me talking back in the 1990s. I discovered all of this–ALL of this–to be 100% true after my years in Asia. It’s depressing, but liberating to know that there are other American men out there who have had the same experience. What’s priceless about Roosh is that he doesn’t give a shit what people think…if the truth hurts, that’s their problem. Emile Zola would have applauded this guy.
This whole bullshit makes me laugh. Tell me Roosh, how do EE men fair with their own women?
Western women simply have better standards and more options….EE chicks are also more meeker. Most men from the east know fuck all about game…and have banged no more than 10 women throughout their entire lives.
People in EE feel inferior to westerners, they don’t want to admit it but they do. Which explains why Roosh is so successful there.
As a Brit I do well in America too…what gives?
Women in EE have and always will be attracted to money…what do you think is the first thing they think of when they see a Westerner? MONEY and a passport to AMERICA.
NO women generally wants to be please a man…they want to please themselves first…and you Westerners are too blinded by the sight of pussy to see it.
It’s funny, because for all Roosh talks about how EE girls want a good man and intellectual and caring and kind they are…how many have YOU Roosh settled down with. Have you ever had dated a girl in Poland or EE for more than a year? Or have you gone from girl after girl after girl…the very think you accuse western girls of doing.
Western women want stand up comedians because all western men think of is pussy. Western women get creeped out by when talk about sex because all western men think of is pussy….The Western world has the highest amount of PUAs because all Western men think of is……………PUSSY.
The more WEstern men travel to EE the more Westernised EE women will become.
Do any of you know the biggest contributor to Feminism…..WESTERN MEN.
Wow, I’m an Eastern European girl and I find this obnoxious. I have never been to a the USA but many of my friends have and I have many foreign friends, I’m also living in East Asia right now. I find Roosh really rude. I have heard men speaking shit about their own country women so often. I have heard so many men from my country complain about us, the local girls. I have heard many Asian men complaining about their own women. Many Asian men have told me they want a foreign girlfreind/wife because the women in their own country are “awful”. So now every time I hear a man bashing the women from his country, I want nothing to do with him anymore. To me this means he’s a loser who is blaming the women for his own issues.
I also find it really disgusting that so many of you go to different countries as sex tourists. Well, as an Eastern European girl I feel insulted by this. I feel insulted that you just want to come to my country and bang as many women as possible. I have been with foreigners but I have never looked at it as getting the flag or me giving myself to him, I just really like the guy as a person and if I ever feel that he is projecting his expectations of what a woman should be on me, then no, thank you. I don’t want to be number 10 or 6 of the girls he banged in my country. And I don’t want to be looked at as the Eastern European girl who will be this and this. I am who I am and I don’t liked to be stereotyped.
And don’t forget that you are foreigners to all non- American women. That makes the situation totally different for you. And don’t forget that sadly, many Eastern European countries view Americans (or Western Europeans) as superior and many girls will like you just because you are American without being able to see how pathetic you actually are. I am happy to see this is changing now as Eastern Europeans have more contacts with foreigners and travel more and more abroad so they are starting to realize that American (or Western European) does now equal a good guy and that actually people are the same everywhere.
This is the point I want to make. People are the same. And I would be happy if sex tourists don’t come to my country.
BTW, I’m a white girl living in Korea. I’m Eastern European, that’s true, but Koreans don’t know that. They often ask me if I’m American/Russian/French/Australian etc. Some guys guess correctly that I’m Eastern European but most don’t. And I get a lot of attention from locals, all the time. I have never had so much attention from men in my own country. And whoever said that Korean men are shy is a completely clueless person. They are not shy at all, some are for sure like everywhere, but many are very aggressive. So I have to be really rude sometimes (which I really hate). I’m sure many of them think I’m bitchy but I’m like this only when it’s necessary. I’m always kind even if I don’t like the guy, if he is kind and not too pushy. Also, I get attention from white guys here (which surprised me, most of them think I’m a Westener too), especially soldiers and I have had some really unpleasant encounters on the street when I was still new and open so now I completely ignore many guys because I’m just scared what might happen next if they think I’m ineterested. And American soldiers here are really obnoxious – the most arrogant men ever. They just don’t take no for an answer. So yes, I try to avoid them but when I meet them I have to be rude. So if American girls are rude to you, they maybe have a reason.
Also, most people who look arrogant (especially women) are actually very insecure. They are just trying to hide their own insecurity. But it’s easier just to bash them as “American arrogant bitches”.
@101 EE girl
Your full of bullshit 101 EE girl,you are a fraud.You are a western fucking pain in the arse bitch,fuck you ,and fuck your arrogant ways.I hate western women with a passion,you have made your bed now fucking sleep in it.I enjoy Asian women only.