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I don’t know where the hell you people get the idea that it’s easier down south. The closest thing we have to a fuckfest here is the Oktoberfest in Blumenau, usually full of drunk fat girls looking for drunk desperate guys.

That 4-type classification is good. I strive to be a Sniper, with a pre-game background of Russian roulette.

As to “pegada”, I know what you mean. But most guys associate pegada strictly with caveman game. That’s why we see a lot of Brazilian women complaining about it. Women make a distinction between brutal caveman and the actual competence you described; most men usually don’t.

If a guy doesn’t have a typical Brazilian temperament; if he doesn’t go around kissing, pushing and begging for it, he is perceived as a slow beta, which may be true, but not always.

That’s why I see the pegada culture as bullshit: sometimes (not always, I know) it does disrupt bang progression. I said it destroys the seduction process because it becomes a no-win situation: if you go caveman, you will usually be rejected and considered a typical machine-gun caveman; if you don’t go caveman, you will be perceived as a slow beta. It’s a goddamn conundrum.

There is a fine line to tread here. Running Aloof with a touch of Aggressive will yield good results, depending on the style of your targets.

The culture of “pegada” is everywhere around Brazil. But “pegada” doesn’t translate as caveman game (not totally, at least). Pegada could be translated roughly as “the catch”. Here’s how it works:
• Brazilian man can be classified into 4 types, when it comes to approaching women:
• Machine guns: Constantly shooting and trying. Those are the ones described in the post.
• Semi-Automatic Rifles: More controlled than the above, we consider them normal.
• Sniper rifles: Guys who almost never try, but when they do, they hit beautifully
• Russian roulettes: only one bullet, most of the tries result in nothing. Shy, awkward, you know the type.
This definition isn’t clear cut, people aren’t fully in one type or another, but it gives a good general picture.
Now Brazil is a country with strong catholic traditional and the mentality is usually very provincial. People live in closed groups and aren’t very open to newcomers. This also means that if a girl sleeps with (or kisses, depending on a number of factors like age, environment, circumstances) too many guys, she gets a huge scarlet “S” around her neck. Everybody talks about it. Same goes for booty calls that aren’t and “official” relationship.
This generated a seduction theory that me and my Brazilian friends from my exchange year abroad call the “zero-sum”. The aggressiveness of men generates resistance in women so they can cancel each other and achieve balance. It’s a type of “seduction Darwinism”, if you will.
For Brazilian women, this means:
• If she likes a guy, she can’t show it too much, or she’ll be labeled as easy/slut.
• She starts to appreciate effort. So a guy might earn points by being persistent (which doesn’t always translate into enough points to close)
• If a guy is too slow, he is perceived as Beta
For Brazilian men, this means basically that we aren’t always discouraged by rejection and hold on to minimal signals of interest. So we keep prospecting to see if there is more. Because of the longer time, there are also bigger chances of totally screwing up or simply being wrong.
“Pegada”
In this context, the “pegada” culture is about competence. A guy who has “pegada” is a true Alpha, who comes without knocking on the door, but is nevertheless welcomed in. He is the guy who sees that the woman wants him with minimum signals on her part, and strikes at the right moment, sweeping her off her feet.
So, delivering the promised goods is essential to the culture. She will evaluate his performance making out to decide if she’ll sleep with him or not. It’s like anywhere else, but it doesn’t disrupt bang progression like Roosh says. Brazilians like to kiss, it comes easy to us. So the kiss happens earlier in the progression, but doesn’t break it. And if your pegada wasn’t good, she won’t sleep with you. You have to use the kiss to build up the tension. You have to show her you have more to offer, by actually giving her something.

Agressive game has got some huge advantages that you don’t talk about.

example: girl likes two guys equally: Guy 1 stays around and talk stupid shit or try to build rapport for half an hour. The energy of the interaction goes down as a natural consequence.

Guy 2 does 5 minutes of bantering, and then goes in for the kiss and gets it.

Who gets the girl?

The answer is that girls most of the time will be congruent with their earlier behavior – if they kiss a guy, it gets hard for them to not keep kissing all evening, and also they won’t look for other options.

Kissing early wins you loads of time, and makes it easy and natural to extract.

I guess the brazilian guys are just being to needy after getting the kiss instead of using that “extra” time they’d bought themselves to build comfort.

I never go caveman. It looks fucking ridiculous, pushing and begging for a kiss like that. And you’re right, they hardly ever bang, but they get to suckface a lot.

There’s all this bullshit culture about “pegada” (caveman pickup) around here, which really destroys the whole seduction process. Some girls think you’re too slow if you don’t go caveman, while most will only have sex if they are in a relationship with you.

As you noted in “Odds and Ends”, Brazilian girls rely heavily on stuff like Orkut and Facebook to check you out, but it also doesn’t usually lead to anything more than checking out.

I run a mix of Aloof and Aggressive, but I rely too much on conversation, and that kills at least half my chances in Brazilian social venues, most clubs playing stupid noise so that extroverted douchebags and bubbly cunts can dance. Too bad these bubbly cunts are usually decent-looking.

13. “So many people have the impression that Brazilian dudes must be getting ass like crazy since their main impression of Brazilian women is someone in a string bikini gyrating her giant ass on a samba float. But it’s good to get to hear the real deal.”

That may happen sometimes in Rio and the northeast, but most of Brazil is not like that at all. I live in the south, which is more of a micro-Europe, as there are much more whites, and we have a wholly different social dynamic. The great majority of girls here won’t let you bang them if not in a relationship, but they will let you suckface and grope them.

Roosh, any chance you’re coming to the south? The quality of girls here is notorious, but if you expect to bang them quickly you will be disappointed.

So think the meta game will come of strong if you can sweet talk the girls and approach her aggressively but then just seem to be interested for a while, while she is starting to wonder if you really wanna bang her or just talk.

“Another benefit of my strategy is that I get fewer colds.” priceless quote

homeless’s last blog post: A guide to drugs on Koh Phangan.

Buildup/Tension can make all the difference.

I had this date with a girl I had made out before and I could’ve done it a second into our second meeting but I choosed not to. By the time I escalated things she nearly bursted from the anticipaion. So, I had no resistance because she was overwhelmed with her feelings. No ASD/LMR kicking in.

Willy Wonka’s last blog post: The Grind.

sorry man. tl;dr

Nathan: In the past when talking about “The Fast Kiss” I’m speaking of American girls and kissing them around the 1 hour mark. Brazilian guys go for it at the 5 minute mark. That’s a HUGE difference. Don’t think that when I’m speaking of the fast kiss in the past I’m talking about Brazilian style…it’s completely different.

“I go for the kiss even if I don’t think I will get it”

This is unrelated. It means you should kiss girls even if you’re not absolutely sure she’s down. She could have shown signals, but there is no certainty.

Unless you have very tight game, and can continue with her like the forced kiss never happened, then this can be tough to recover from. If you continue with sexual neediness/advances without first building her interest, then she will view you as an average chump. This is what most guys do.

Aggressiveness is a great way (maybe the best) to build attraction, but only when done in a way that competently builds her interest in you. Otherwise, its only neediness, no matter what you tell yourself and how many kisses you get.

A kiss should signify mutual interest to do so. An interest arising out of sexual attraction. If you can get her interest that far, then you’ve fucked up if you can’t escalate it to the bedroom within a couple of more dates. If you can’t, the sexual attraction was likely a fluke and a miscalculation, that she later realized, on her part. In other words, you weren’t as cool as she originally thought you to be.

A guy who can run competent aggressive game, especially in Portugese, would likely clean up in Brazil, as they do everywhere else.

I’m not a fast mover by any means but the one time I did move in for a quick kiss while dancing, I got her number and called her and she never called back. After some post-game analysis I figured that my mistake was that there wasn’t enough invested in her to think of it as anymore than spur of the moment fun.

Good analysis. I like the comparison to ad spots.

So many people have the impression that Brazilian dudes must be getting ass like crazy since their main impression of Brazilian women is someone in a string bikini gyrating her giant ass on a samba float. But it’s good to get to hear the real deal.

Great post. I’ve been faced with post-makeout flakiness a few times, and not in Brazil. I was going “shotgun approach” while in Cancun and scored makeouts with a Canadian girl and a couple of Mexican girls. All these were accomplished within 10 minutes, only for the girls to flake within the next 5 minutes. First girl refused a venue change, second girl told me she was going to the bathroom and never came back (leaving the club). Third girl was baby-sitting her passed out drunk male friend (not sure whether he was in the LJBF zone or not) so she had a valid excuse.

David Black’s last blog post: Keep Plugging Away.

“I go for the kiss even if I don’t think I will get it”

Which kind of seems like he’s advocating the aggressive Brazilian game. Here, he clarifies that it’s important to wait for the green lights and emphasizes “bang progression” which is so crucial.

I’d estimate that Brazilian guys bang 1 out of every 15 girls they kiss. I’m doing about 1 out of 3. So I don’t kiss a lot of girls like them, but there is a decent chance I’ll hit when I do. Another benefit of my strategy is that I get fewer colds.