Washington DC makes up a disproportionate amount of my readers, more than any other city in the United States besides New York City. It’s the place where it all began for me and where the pain continues for a lot of guys who rather be somewhere else. Well next Saturday we can put all the complaints aside and hang out as men, because I’m hosting a meetup with my bodyguard Virgle Kent.
When: Saturday, October 13 from 8pm to 12:00am
Where: Location will be announced at 6pm on the day of the meetup via my Twitter feed. Check it before you arrive in case we change venues after 8. The neighborhood will be U Street.
What: This is a casual meetup. There will be no Hello stickers, speeches, or top hats. Meet your fellow man, tell me your life story, drink, and try to bang something above a 4.
Secret Handshake: I’ve done blog happy hours before so what’ll happen is that there will be a few guys around me and then another circle of people who are also part of the meetup. A forum member recommended a secret handshake of sorts so you don’t have to go around asking guys if they’re part of the “Roosh thing.” What you should do if you think a guy is part of the group is ask him where a pet shop is. He can confirm by giving an answer that at some point contains the secret code word: “hamster.” Here’s an example:
First Gentleman (suspecting the other is an RVFer): Excuse me, do you know if there’s a good pet shop nearby?
Second Gentleman (indeed, an RVFer): Why, yes, they even sell a special breed of hamster…….. (raised eyebrow)
If he doesn’t give an answer with “hamster,” then he is not part of the meetup and continued efforts to talk to him will be viewed suspiciously. Bottom line is don’t be shy. You may have to approach your fellow man and then have a series of conversations until you and I can finally shake hands as the heterosexual men that we are.
“I’m a girl. Can I come?” I’m friendly to all my female fans but if you’re not at least a 6 then don’t bother. You should come close to being a girl of this caliber:
If you come with the purpose to debate me or my readers then we will gangrape you (emotionally, not physically, because I’ve never physically raped a woman and would never condone such a thing in any jurisdiction where it is illegal by law).
“This sounds like it will be a sausage fest”. Will it ever! On October 13 this will be the most glorious sausage fest in the city outside of Cobalt. I expect at least 30 guys to show, mostly starting at 8 but then it will trail off as the night goes on. We will single-handedly destroy any chance that other guys will get laid. To help me pick appropriately sized venues for the meetup, please fill out this one-minute survey if you’re thinking of coming.
Out Of Town Logistics: There are bus routes from many East Coast cities, run by companies such as Eastern Shuttle, Mega Bus, and GotoBus. If you go to Skyscanner, you can probably find air fares under $100. There are four options for lodging. The first is Booking.com for hotels that average over $150 per night. Then there are hostel options that start at $35/night. Third is Airbnb ($60/night and up). Lastly there is my Dad’s basement. The key is to be within walking distance of any Metro station. This map is centered around the best location to be in.
On totally unrelated matters, I like drinking flavored vodkas with only ice. Absolut Citron and Stoli Vanilla are my favorites.
1. There aren’t many attractive women. Most are sloppy, ugly, fat, and don’t care about looking good for men.
“DC has a lot of over-educated white girls who could stand to lose 20 lbs. They have decidedly average faces. Said women believe that their education level and wack governmentalish type job makes them more of a catch than looking photogenic and being feminine… ” #
“I remember my first year here when it was not unusual to go to bars or clubs and see a good ratio of attractive women to men. Unfortunately things have changed drastically. Even the few girls that are out… a lot of them are unattractive. A few of the attractive girls I have smashed have also told me they thought the women here were mostly ugly. This creates a problem for single men. The pool of attractive women is a lot smaller here then it is in LA/NYC or Miami.” #
“There’s a map that claims that there is a higher proportion of single women to men in the DC area. But it doesn’t take into account that a lot of women don’t really take care of themselves like they do out west. Most of the girls that move out here don’t come to pursue modeling careers. It’s also cold half of the year. Not as much pressure to stay in shape.” #
“The only chicks who move to DC seem to be chubby, pasty white girls who have grad degrees in Poly Sci or Public Relations (or some other bullshit) and want to work in a gubbymint job or for a non-profit.” #
“Go out to a bar in DC this weekend. The few girls that you even see out will put very little effort into their dress. Is it so hard to put on makeup and high heels at least? I guess they can get away with it because there is very little competition here.” #
2. The city has boring, cookie-cutter people.
“The problem with DC is the majority of industries it caters to have boring, lackluster people (law and government). Government workers are the laziest, blandest, most depressing, least passionate people around and that becomes somewhat contagious. They go through the motions and count the days to retirement but they enjoy the security of a government job. The other problem is 3/4 of the city is off-limits if you aren’t looking to get shot and robbed.” #
“It’s pretty conformist, bourgeois and relatively upscale. If your goal is simply to have a stable, upper-middle class lifestyle and you are fairly conservative, it may be the city for you. It’s more for people who work, want to unwind on the weekends and mostly seem to have steady girlfriends or maybe date around somewhat. However, DC does seem to weed out the extremes of society including real creative energy and excitement.” #
“DC has always drawn lots of consultants who come here with job offers directly out of college with the Booz Allen, Accenture, and PWC’s of the world. Sure, some of them are hot, but it’s more the homely academic type. You also get a lot of the khaki-wearing men who put the girls on a pedestal, giving them an increasing sense of self-worth. It’s kind of funny… last time I was in LA at the beach area and saw several smokin hot chicks with guys who had the emo band look, tight jeans, crazy hair, etc. That’s something you rarely if ever see here.” #
3. Regardless of what surveys or Census figures say, Washington DC is the biggest sausagefest on the Eastern seaboard. This is obvious to anyone who has been out on a Saturday night.
“My sister just moved from NYC last year and really hated it, primarily because she felt like she was surrounded by government drones with no personality, but when she found out she could go out to a bar with 5 dollars in her pocket and have guys buy her drinks all night, she quickly changed her mind.” #
4. It forces you to lower your standards and date low-quality girls you would’ve never previously considered.
“The amount of guys i know that married a DC girl is minimal, and those guys married down. I don’t know one guy from DC who is married to a girl from this area where I thought to myself ‘Wow, good for him, that’s a nice pull.’” #
5. The few girls who are pretty have princess attitudes because of all the attention they get from the surplus of desperate, horny men.
“You get a few hotties at some of the consulting companies (Accenture is pretty good about hiring hot chicks), but they’re in the overwhelming minority and benefit from a supply/demand issue. Also, the ones who are attractive and have grown up in the area are basically spoiled princesses who have been having their asses kissed their whole lives and have no concept of reality.” #
6. The city is rapidly exporting cool, attractive people while importing ugly political nerds from the Midwest or upstate New York who insist on wearing flip-flops all the time.
“I went down there with a buddy this past summer for 3-4 days and hopped from Dupont, Adams Morgan, and U Street. We hit the happy hour spots on a Thurs/Friday. Nothing. Whatever talent I remember DC having has left.” #
“Does anybody remember south of dupont back in 07/08? Sooo many chicks just walking around. I remember the first time I went to Play lounge (midtown) back then. The place was packed with women. Then you’d step outside and the sidewalks had girls coming out of 1223. 1223 is gone and now it’s called Dirty Martini and it’s not even a club anymore. Heck even Lucky Bar used to be great. That place was like shooting fish in barrel.
“Now it’s terrible (low quality and a sausagefest)… I was at Public and Rumors last weekend and it was such a sausage party. Do you remember the Park at 14th back in 08/09? Two years ago I went to their international night and it was four floors of model-looking chicks of every race. It used to be diverse and high quality. Now it’s ghetto as hell. Recently an NFL player got stabbed outside of there. Even during the day and after work Dupont used to have a lot of hot girls walking around. Now it’s a lot less. Not sure what happened. I’m glad I’m not the only one who has noticed.” #
7. There aren’t enough cute white girls for white men who don’t want to date minorities.
“Without sounding like a racist, this is what is killing DC nightlife for me. I’m a white dude and I like white girls with a few exceptions here and there. The demographics of this area have shifted dramatically where there are so many Asians, Middle Easterns, blacks, and Hispanics that 1/5 of the girls out that night are actually white (and that doesn’t mean they are slim or attractive or single). Because so many people work for the government some way or another and make decent money, there is no income segregation and all the races party at the same places. There is a shortage of white girls and girls from Latin American countries like Brazil or Argentina.” #
“I think last time I was at Modern I felt like I was in Asia.” #
8. Women who live in DC gradually become status whores, obsessed with what you do and if you’re getting a table at the newest club on K Street.
“A ton of status whoring, fake people, degree chasers, one uppers, the ‘I care less than you do’ crowd.” #
“First conversation starter is always “What’s your job?” Lame just lame.” #
“DC women are very superficial… they are sizing you up to see how you can benefit them and their career. People live to work in this city… they all will have law degree’s, mba’s or some silly phd and they will make sure that’s the first thing you know about them. They’re gonna be looking at your clothes, car, and all the other dumb shit they use to measure you.” #
“Just about every 6+ chick found in a DC bar/club thinks she’s a 10 and has her 24-7 bitch shield up. Shoot, I am a white dude who works out constantly (9% body fat only), dresses sharp and makes it a point to always smile (I have nice teeth), yet the number of times girls give me the eye roll here is unreal! Sometimes, I dream of being a tall celebrity cat as that seems to be about the only foolproof method of getting GOOD-LOOKING women in DC.” #
9. Recent implants have sucked all the character out of neighborhoods by supporting soulless corporate chains. Soon the only stores in the city will be Starbucks, Potbelly, Chipotle, or cupcake shops.
“Neighborhoods filled with culture and diversity are being dissolved and turned into breeding grounds for kids trying to slum it with the safety of a Whole Foods in the vicinity.” #
10. Adams Morgan turns into an open-air ghetto on weekend nights during the summer. You can’t walk around after last call without wannabe thugs making derogatory comments at your girl.
11. There are not as many young and nubile au-pairs coming into the city as before.
“I’ve also noticed that the au-pair market has shrunk. I dated some au-pairs back in ’05-06 and although it was transient, at least I wasn’t lonely. But that avenue seems very diminished now.” #
“Cosign on the decreased au pair sightings. They used to be dime a dozen five years ago. There are so few that the fat Polish girl who would get no love back in her hometown is getting approached 20 times a night in DC. I knew a mediocre Brazilian girl (a 5) come to DC and tell me how amazing it is that guys offer to buy her drinks and take her for rides on boats (Georgetown). She loved the city of course. Back in Brazil she was a nobody.” #
12. It’s one of the most expensive cities to live in the United States , yet the girls are bottom of the barrel and still expect to be treated like NYC models.
13. The subway system is managed by retards, resulting in a high loss of life for a public transportation system in a first world city.
14. The weather sucks. It’s an intolerable swamp in the summer and cold enough in the winter that most women hibernate with their vibrators.
15. The HIV rate is the highest in America, exceeding that of many African nations.
In conclusion, Washington DC fucking sucks. I feel sorry for your dick if you live there.
It’s only been two months but I’ve already forgotten how it’s like to be in the middle of a sausage fest.
I’m again teaching workshops in Washington DC, which will run four hours in length and teach men how to approach and talk to women in both day and nighttime settings. Outcomes that will be taught include getting a phone number, kiss, venue change (i.e. instant date), same-night date, and one-night stand.
The daytime workshops, which will take place on Friday and Saturday afternoons, will focus on how to meet women in coffee shops, bookstores, on public transportation, in grocery stores, retail stores, and on the street. The night workshops, which will take place on Friday and Saturday nights, will teach you how to meet women in bars and clubs.
During both workshops, you will:
- receive a comprehensive manual containing more than two dozen effective openers and follow-ups that will allow you to approach women anywhere
- practice the material on approximately ten girls who meet your quality standards (no fatties)
- learn techniques to get numbers, dates, and one-night stands
- get detailed written and verbal feedback on your game, from your body language and mannerisms to your conversational content and closing technique, which will serve as a blueprint for your immediate improvement
- be able to tap the brain of a man who has slept with a boatload of women in locations around the world and has dedicated nearly a decade of his life to penetrating women as quickly as possible—with the least amount of effort
I urge you to read on even if you’re familiar with my old workshops because I’ve revamped the program by adding new methods and technology.
Nearly two years ago I began teaching eight-hour game workshops in DC, which included both lecture and fieldwork of approaching girls in coffee shops, retail stores, grocery stores, the subway, and on the street. Within the next few months I taught thirty-two men and provided feedback on 416 of their approaches during nearly 150 hours of workshop time. These men were white, black, Asian, Indian, Latino, and Persian, with ages ranging from 21 to 54. I received positive feedback from thirty of these men, and neutral feedback from two.
Though I considered the workshops a huge success, I discontinued them in South America (though I did conduct one in Medellin). I don’t mean to sound like a wuss, but teaching them was the hardest job I’ve ever had in my life, more so than being a teenage janitor at a bagel shop, a DJ, a bartender, or a microbiologist. Each workshop involved several hours of nonstop talking, movement, and thinking. At the end of each one I was exhausted, but pleased at being able to provide a service that men valued. It’s a job I can only perform during occasional bursts of inspiration and energy.
Improvements & Innovations
I’ve been back in America for four months, and during that time I’ve been thinking about how to improve the workshops based on my own observations and feedback I’ve received from students. I came up with seven improvements, including two innovations that aren’t being used by any other game instructor.
Elimination Of Long-Form Lecture:
This was the biggest complaint from students. Many were bored having to sit in the same chair for hours as we worked our way through the workshop manual, and I couldn’t blame them. Essentially, they were paying money to have me read to them. If you look at commercial “boot camps,” you’ll see that their structure includes more than a dozen hours of sitting in a classroom listening to a good-looking actor talk about game—with much less time spent on making actual approaches. Adult men can read the material on their own—they attend workshops to learn how to do it live and to be critiqued on their technique.
Expanded Workshop Manual:
In order to eliminate the lecture, I have beefed up the workshop manual so that it can stand alone. To do that, the word count has increased by some 300% and I’ve revised it to make it more clear and concise (even having it professionally copyedited). In essence, the manual is now an Early Game book, packed with openers, follow-ups, and details of the when, how, and where to use them. You’ll receive the manual via email a few days before the workshop so you can read and study on your own. That way, you’ll be able to come to the workshop with a fair understanding of the game you’re going to run. Along with a brief introduction, we’ll spend 10-15 minutes before each venue reviewing and rehearsing the lines before you go into action. We’ll also do a couple fun social exercises to get you thinking in the right direction.
Addition Of Night Game Instruction:
Due to numerous suggestions, I’ve decided to also teach night game. You’ll have the option to do either a day or night workshop—or both at a discounted price. (If you do both, I recommend taking them on separate days so you don’t overload your brain.) The workshop manual now addresses nighttime approach logistics and includes six openers you can use exclusively in bar or club environments. Regardless of what workshop you take, you’ll receive the complete manual, featuring both day and night game techniques. This way you can see one part in action while working on the other on your own time. For example, if you mostly run night game now but are thinking about running day game in the future, you can take a night game workshop and have the day game material in reserve for when you’re ready to get started.
Optimized Game Material:
My day game material has been time-tested and put through the ringer with hundreds of approaches, thanks in part to my students. This has allowed me to optimize the openers and follow-ups to have greater effectiveness. If there was a line that students had trouble with, I took a long look at it, even using basic statistical analysis to aid in the process. The bottom line is the game you’ll learn has proved its worth and will offer you the highest chance for successfully approaching any woman—day or night. In the manual I also share some new bar lines that I’ve developed in the past year, which I haven’t published anywhere else.
1-on-1 Workshop Option:
Some men prefer to learn individually and do more approaches than a 2-on-1 session, so for this round you’ll have the option of attending solo workshops. In the 1-on-1 workshop you’ll be able to approach more, get more individual attention, and see me make more demonstrations. With two guys, there are fewer chances for me to demonstrate various approach techniques without taking away opportunities from students. (And as you may know, DC doesn’t have a huge pool of cute women to choose from.)
And now for the workshop innovations:
Custom Post-Workshop Report:
A few days after you take the workshop, you’ll receive a PDF file evaluating every approach you made during the workshop, with straight-forward critiques on what you did right and wrong. Of course I’ll give you plenty of tips during the workshop, but I believe that having a report you can reread will serve as a better reminder of how you can improve your game. This means that I’ll be furiously taking notes in the corner while you talk to women.
The report will also contain a section titled Things That Are Holding You Back, in which I’ll explain what is stopping you from banging lots of girls. In past workshops, I tried to be as gentle as possible, but this time I’ll make suggestions that may wound your ego a bit, with the sole intention of improving your game. For example if I think your style is off for the girls you’re trying to get with, I’ll tell you. After all, you’re paying me to make a positive difference in your life, not to coddle you. Also if I know a good venue in DC that fits your swag, I’ll suggest it. The report will serve as a blueprint for your improvement in the next 6-12 months, and will take me approximately one hour to create for each student.
Secret Service Style Two-Way Communication Radios (Day Only):
In past workshops I wasn’t always able to hear everything students said, especially if I wasn’t standing right next to them. Later I would ask them to replay conversations for me, but they weren’t able to remember all the details, some of which may be subtle but important. With the radios, I’ll hear most of what you say and be able to offer more accurate and effective feedback. I may even be able to determine where you lost a girl’s interest—something I’ll note in your report. This means I’ll be wearing an earpiece when you approach. Your radio will also come with an earpiece that, depending on your mood, you can wear during an approach or two so I can feed you game advice in real time (I’ll arm you with a ready-made excuse if the girl happens to see it.) Think of me as a modern-day Cyrano de Bergerac. The radio is only used for day game, since background noise at night is too high. Note that conversations will not be recorded, thus ensuring the legality of the method.
Here’s a diagram of the wiring system I’m using for the workshop:
I’ll ask you to wear some type of undershirt—either a wife beater or simple t-shirt—to attach the microphone and earpiece body. The microphone will remain hidden even if you wear a regular t-shirt over your undershirt, but a collared shirt will better conceal the earpiece wiring in the couple instances you put it on. The push-to-talk button will go in your front pocket and the radio itself will go in your back pocket.
Two Habits Of Highly Effective Trainers
I’ve taken a lot of lessons in my adult life: music, motorcycle, bartending, Spanish, Portuguese, racquetball, sailing, and a whole bunch of corporate workshops and training that I’ve thankfully forgotten. Over the years, I’ve learned two things about what it takes to be a good instructor:
1. Lecturing isn’t effective. Being a passive receptacle is the least effective way to learn something. Anything I’ve gotten good at has been from doing instead of just listening, which simply doesn’t work for a majority of people. I apologize to my prior students for putting up with this format.
2. Feedback is the key to improvement. The best instructors I’ve ever had recognized exactly what I was doing wrong and then had the honestly to tell me without having to sugar-coat. I remember my Spanish instructor in Argentina who thought my accent was straight-up “bad.” She stopped me every few seconds and forced me to repeat words to her liking, sometimes making me feel like an idiot, but I experienced the biggest improvement to my Spanish thanks to her tough love/positive feedback approach.
In my workshop, with the addition of the secret service radios and post-workshop report, I’ll make the feedback rain on you in a friendly but honest manner. With pinpoint accuracy, I’ll give you a list of actionable items that will have you seeing more improvement in the following three months than you’ve experienced in the previous year. I’m confident that my advice will make you eager to get back out in the field to try the suggestions I made.
What To Expect From The Workshop
You won’t be coming to me as a blank slate. Even if you’re a newbie, you’ll have some previous experience, and our goal will be to help you jump up one level in the next 3-6 months. Here are the five basic levels of game, keeping in mind that there are also varying degrees between levels.
Level 0: Newbie who has never cold approached
You’ll learn how to approach, and I’ll expect you to have a handful of 1-3 minute conversations. After the workshop, you’ll have less fear about approaching, since you’ll have firsthand experience that it’s not as bad as you imagined it to be.
Level 1: Beginner who has done a couple dozen approaches
You’ll learn how to maintain conversations and to convey interest. You’ll have conversations that will be longer than five minutes in length, coming close to at least getting a number. After the workshop, you’ll have sharper social skills and better calibration ability (i.e. knowing when a girl is interested or not).
Level 2: Intermediate gamesman who has gotten bangs out of cold approaching
You’ll have a couple conversations longer than ten minutes and will most likely get at least one number. After the workshop, you’ll become more effective at closing and escalating.
Level 3: Advanced gamesman who has gotten many bangs in the past year
You’ll get at least two numbers, with a 20% chance of banging a girl you meet during the workshop. Afterwards your game will be sharper and more refined. I’ll help you move your focus from phone numbers to same-night dates and one-night stands.
Level 4: One-night stand master gamesman
The workshop will freshen up your game, eliminate bad habits that have escaped your radar, and allow you to learn additional shortcuts that get you the bang faster.
With these workshops my job is to upgrade your game software instead of installing a new operating system. We’ll take what you have and refine it to give you the most mileage for rapid improvement, though ultimately it’ll be up to you to use the feedback and material after the workshop to maintain your progress. The workshop isn’t about creating overnight success stories, but putting you on the correct track so it all happens sooner.
On average, you’ll do twelve approaches during a day workshop and eight at night. If you’re taking the 1-on-1 workshop, you’ll do more. In previous day workshops, the average student made fourteen approaches.
Here’s a detailed review from the last workshop I taught. It was a combination day and night workshop that took place in Medellin, Colombia.
My goal of doing this workshop was to gain the confidence to approach girls. I am confident in many areas of my life but approaching women was just not one of them. I think my biggest issue is that I just did not know what to say. I can confidently say that Roosh has given me the tools and the confidence to approach girls. I can honestly say this because I approached girls/groups of girls about 20 times that night and saw firsthand that the tools that Roosh gave me really do work.
I came into the workshop with the goal of learning the specifics of how to approach women in a nightclub. But I came away from the workshop with far more than that. I’ll start from the beginning…
The first part was a 2-3 hour lecture. I was apprehensive about having a lecture beforehand when I figured I would get a lot more out of the night if I was to just start approaching girls ASAP. I was wrong. Roosh created a thorough manual that started with inner game and ended with the specifics on how to approach women in any situation (cafe, grocery store, street, bar, etc.). His material was surprisingly unique and the main concepts I learned are things I had never read before. He made sure that I understood the material completely and I think that rehearsing certain situations with Roosh really helped. The only critque about this portion is of the workshop is that we did not have enough time to complete the manual before doing approaches. It would have helped to start an hour or so earlier. Even so, we did finish going over the manual by the time the night was over at around 3 or 4am!
After finishing the lecture part we headed to an area with an abundance of bars and clubs. Our first mission was for me to approach girls/groups of girls walking down the street. I used a very simple line to get the girl(s) attention and have some short conversations that went pretty well. I even got a few numbers out of it. Even with the line Roosh provided I never would have been able to get the girls to stop and talk with me if it were not for Roosh’s specific technique to do this. He made it easy for me since he specifically positioned me and pointed out the girls I should talk to ahead of time before passing them.
The next portion of the night was at a busy bar. No, we did not just go up and approach as many girls as I could without discretion. The way Roosh suggested doing this felt far more comfortable because we took a position in the bar and I approached girls when they either passed us or when it seemed natural (i.e. getting another drink at the bar). But even then he did not just say, “ok go talk to the girls when you get another drink at the bar.” He explained how exactly I could do it, involving positioning, the best opener to use, etc.) Let me also add that we only approached attractive girls! I ended up with a few good conversations at the bar and had a great time!
Next up was a busy bar/small club. As soon as we walked inside he pointed out a group to approach but I chickened out…plus they were a bunch of hippie looking girls with manly hair. I think Roosh understood my apprehension and we went further into the club where I approached a group of girls with Roosh’s simple opener and wound up talking/dancing salsa with one of the girls for a bit. I was ready to move on and Roosh sensed this so he pointed out another group of girls to approach. It ended up going like that for a while. Though a few times I chickened out and he told me to go walk around and don’t come back until I approach a girl(s). This tough love was what I needed and eventually I did approach some more girls. Then some more! For the first time in my life I could rotate between groups of girls which I imagine really helps with attraction but also made me feel that much cooler! I ended up dancing pretty heavily with one girl and on my way between rotating from groups of girls Roosh advised me on how to isolate her. It didn’t work out so well seeing as how she was with her cousins and sister though but I am confident that I can do it in the future in an easier situation.
I chose to end the night after 8 hours of lecture and approaching girls because I was exhausted. I had such a blast that night and Roosh’s instruction was invaluable and though it’s to early to say, most likely a life changing experience. I have a thorough understanding on how to approach girls in any situation in addition to other factors like posture, positioning, etc. I am probably at a tougher stage now because I know in my heart that I have no excuses not to practice this stuff and if I don’t I have nobody to blame but myself.
I just came come from 7 1/2 months abroad and am extremely busy visiting friends, family, and catching up on my work. But I am excited about starting my last semester of university so that I take advantage of the great opportunities and situations to approach girls. It really helps to have Roosh’s continual guidance as he had made it abundantly clear that I should keep in touch and update him on my progress and any questions I have.
Here’s another review from a man who eventually slept with a girl he met during the workshop.
I really had a great time on the workshop. The idea of approaching random girls is not new to me, but I found that my interactions often weren’t going anywhere unless the girl took some sort of initiative/interest. The Galnuc and banter topics you discusses are a solid way of building interest and rapport while not sounding like some random pushy werido. You were encouraging and made it fun along the way once we hit the street, although in the beginning some parts were more helpful than others.
That first Turkish girl I talked to was pretty rough, I’m thinking maybe there’s a way to be more private in the beginning. It may also make you and the guys in the workshop more comfortable. Maybe grabbing one of those tables by the window would have been a good idea to mitigate this.
One of the big realizations I had during the workshop is to hit on a girl without actually hitting on her. Girls know you’re doing it, but for some reason you can’t come out and say it, you need to talk about some BS random goofy stuff like you gave us. (more on this below).
Later that night I texted 3/4 numbers I got but never called the Germans staying at the Marriott since I got a response from 2 out of the original 4. (The german’s international # bounce back on my carrier). The blonde sign language girl was going to a show and going out in georgetown so that was too far away form where I was going (Dupont) so the Brazilian was the girl I was going to meet up.
When the Brazilian girl showed up she was really looking good way more impressive than at the store. She friended me on facebook so you can see her picture, and a good example of day to night transformation. She met with my friends and we hung out for a while before going back to Dupont Circle to hang out and chat on the fountain for a while. She told me that she knew I was hitting on her right away but thought it was fun and was attracted to me (as mentioned above) I’m thinking the material really helped to clear the air and make it fun. At any rate after talking and getting a little touchy, I took her back to my place and banged her. That’s right, one of your workshop students got laid as a result of the workshop. Now I’m not sure what the going rate of hookers is these days, but for $175, that’s a great ROI. And this girl was no hooker (not that I would know), she was a cool girl with a great personality and fun to hang out with.
So there you have it, I had a great time. Thanks for your tips and information along the way. I’m going to stick with this and try to get better, I really enjoy meeting women and during the daytime I believe is the best time to do it.
One of my youngest day game students posted a review of the workshop on his blog. My favorite part:
What I learned in that day game workshop changed me forever. It was worth every penny.
Some of the men who’ve taken my workshop have reached incredible heights. I’m especially thinking of Tyler, who I see today as an equal, not a protégé.
Below are prices for all the workshop types and sizes. They are subject to increase.
Every workshop includes the following:
- At least four hours of in-field instruction
- Custom post-workshop report
- Electronic editions of the workshop manual and my book Bang (if you already have Bang, deduct $10)
- Complimentary email support for any game questions you may have for three months following the workshop
- A 50% discount on my upcoming day game book (expected release date: second half of 2011)
If you want to sign up for both a day and night workshop, you’ll get a 15% discount off the total price. If you want to take a workshop with a friend, you’ll both receive a 10% discount.
You’ll notice the prices are higher than two years ago. The main reason is that my knowledge of game has increased considerably, allowing you to learn material that is closer to being bulletproof. For example, the day game workshop has a new module on venue changing and same-night dating, something that wasn’t covered in the previous round. A small sampling of other modules include: Differences Between Day & Night Game, The Optimal Mindset, Rambling & Baiting, Nighttime One-Night Stands, and Turning Regular Thoughts Into Effective Openers.
I estimate that there are less than five men in Washington DC who have the deep game knowledge and experience I possess while also being able to teach it effectively to others. You’ll be learning from a veteran—not from someone who only made his first approach a couple years ago after seeing The Game at Barnes & Noble. With this new workshop I aim to continue providing good value for guys who want to improve their game.
Scheduling and Sign-Up
Day game workshops will take place Friday and Saturday starting at 2:00 p.m. Night game workshops will take place on the same days, at 9:00 p.m. To sign up, email me at email@example.com with the word “Workshop” in the subject line (or use this form) and tell me which dates are best for you. Once we find you a free slot, I’ll ask you to make a deposit with a credit card to lock in your spot.
You’ll get the workshop manual and Bang via email the week of the workshop, along with other details, such as what to wear and bring. You’ll receive your follow-up report three or four days after the workshop.
If you live in New York City, the cheapest way to attend the workshop is to take Bolt Bus ($35 round trip) and stay one night in the HI Hostel ($32.95/night), which is close to the starting locations of both the day and night workshops. A slightly cheaper option is the nearby Washington International Student Center Hostel ($27.78/night).
If you have questions about the workshop, post them in the comments section so everyone will be able to see my answer.
Since I came back in May, I’ve been refreshing my Western-style game with VK and The Rookie. It was fun at first, but after just two months going out is no longer more satisfying for me than rolling solo in a large foreign club. To show you why, let me highlight a recent Friday night out.
I’ve gotten so used to running solo dolo game at night that a good wingman is like an added bonus. I love hanging out with my boys because of the laughs we share, not necessarily because they’re gonna help me get laid. Out of habit, sometimes I wander in a one-man wolf pack looking for opportunities.
I approached a group of four girls alone, got in, and was talking to the one I preferred (21-year-old college student) while the other three walked away. One good skill to learn is to engage the group enough so they accept you, but not so much that they all want to keep talking to you at the same time. This is where I find that Mystery’s strategy of ignoring the girl you want rarely works, because what happens is you build some rapport with a friend you don’t like, and the best-looking one will let it proceed. By the two minute mark I must engage my first choice if I want to isolate her in a reasonable amount of time.
I have a rough framework for the first thirty minutes of conversation with topics that include music, dancing, age, clothing, bar ambiance, taste in mates, and people appearances. Within each topic I have my little lines and conversation threads (I share this in Bang). This framework makes it impossible not to get a decent conversation going if the girl is single and doesn’t mind my look, allowing me to “fake” a connection with someone I have nothing in common with. If I get to the thirty minute mark, the kiss is usually mine for the taking as long as I don’t get cockblocked, but after that a semi-real connection is needed to have a good shot at the one-night stand.
With this girl I lost motivation to continue. She had no personality, no sexy vibe. I didn’t want to “work” anymore by talking to her because I had no interest in taking her to bed. So I said it was nice meeting her and walked away.
Her genetic beauty: 7
Her femininity: 5
Her sexuality: 1
Total interaction time: 10-15 minutes
Reason for no sex: I wasn’t digging the girl
We went to a different bar. I approached a cute girl walking by me and it opened. Her girlfriend started talking to my friend.
My girl was very enthusiastic in the beginning, judging by her smiling and touching. She was a little too sassy, but there was some charm lurking underneath and I liked her provocative outfit (with heels). I felt like she was a good one-night stand candidate.
Suddenly she said, “I don’t think my girl is into your friend.”
“Hmmm well they seem to be getting along, but who knows,” I said.
“No, I know her. She’s not into him.”
So what the fuck do you want me to do? I changed the subject. The energy of the interaction changed. She was smiling less. I felt like I was losing her, unable to maintain the initial momentum. Then her friend pulled her away. This is another reason why flying solo can be easier—in pairs of girls you don’t have to worry about if the friend likes your friend, though I’m not certain that’s exactly why it ended in this case. Either way, bros before hoes. Her friend’s loss.
Her genetic beauty: 7.5
Her femininity: 7
Her sexuality: 6
Total interaction time: 5-10 minutes
Reason for no sex: The girls weren’t digging me and/or my friend
There was a petite girl who appeared a little sloppy (untucked collared shirt), but I saw some potential. The Rookie said she looked like Ellen Page from the movie Juno, which I haven’t seen. I approached her and we’re talking, but I realized she was totally lame. Even my energetic Moroccan friend couldn’t get her to make a facial expression. I politely bowed out.
Her genetic beauty: 6
Her femininity: 2
Her sexuality: 0
Total interaction time: 5 minutes
Reason for no sex: I wasn’t digging the girl
This girl was definitely the hottest of the night. She was a 21-year-old half-Paraguayan blonde that lived in Peru for three years as a child. Her body and face were exceptional. Her Spanish was fluent. We talked for a while and she made several compliments, saying I was “interesting” with a “rugged” look. She made a comment that her ex was about the same age as me. While it’s hard to connect with young girls, if that young girl has traveled a bit, I’ll probably be very close to her ideal type (I have a brooding traveler look they tend to like).
One problem I had is that she didn’t give me a lot to work off of, due to having little life experience (she just got out of college). At some point in the conversation we talked about dating culture in the U.S. versus other countries. My intention was to insinuate how it can be tough to meet someone you connect with, even if you live in a large city, but I think she interpreted that to mean she would die a cat lady.
Speed bump aside, we kept going. I felt like this was a very solid prospect, the best of the night thus far. Then four of her college girlfriends joined the conversation. They didn’t cockblock, thankfully, but the energy changed to where I completely lost her attention. Within a few minutes they all decided to check out another bar. I didn’t get the invite to go with them, a very bad sign. They left.
My Moroccan friend said, “Dude why didn’t you get her number?”
“Get a number off a 21 y/o that I didn’t even kiss? Pointless.” I still had a lot of groundwork to lay.
Her genetic beauty: 8.5
Her femininity: 6
Her sexuality: 3
Total interaction time: 30 minutes
Reason for no sex: Logistics, lack of solid connection
It was getting at that hour where you could see the desperation on a guy’s face. Bitch shields were going up. Men with cigars were smoking at double speed in the hopes that a woman would notice them. Other men with fedoras were constantly fixing themselves. No time for mistakes.
I saw a curly-haired girl walking through the bar alone. I stopped her and we talked for a while, in a conversation that began very similarly as the other four of the night. She was a PhD student, unfortunately, but her body was exceptional. I wanted to keep going to see what would happen.
After 15 minutes her sister rushed up to her and took her away. I wasn’t upset (am ominous sign). A short time later, she walked up to me to continue the conversation. This was a huge indicator of interest, and normally my one-night stand radar would go bonkers, but while we’re talking I noticed she was careful about maintaining her distance from me. She had proper posture, not the sloppy slouching that I would be looking for at this time of night (she stopped drinking because she had to “get up early”). There was very little touching and the interaction had a coolness about it. The auto-shutoff mechanism on my one-night stand radar kicked in. She also had lazy eye, which was rather distracting (her right eye had a mind of her own when she got excited about something). I told Morocco not to leave me alone with her, because I didn’t want to talk to her continuously.
The bar eventually closed and I walked to a pizza place with her, her friend, and some random guy. While they waited in line for their grease injection, I told them I was going to wait outside. I stepped out, realized that I only wanted to bang her if I didn’t have to talk or kiss her, an impossibility, then ditched without saying goodbye. I went home alone and jerked off.
Her genetic beauty: 7
Her femininity: 4
Her sexuality: 2
Total interaction time: 45 minutes.
Reason for no sex: I wasn’t into her.
Let’s say it takes me around 30 solid approaches to get one lay in D.C., and by solid I mean that I have to be into the girl and willing to do whatever it takes to get laid. On this night I made only two solid attempts. If I go out twice a week, that’s only 15 attempts a month (my day game opportunities are lacking right now). Unfortunately I back out in most of my approaches in D.C. because of not being interested in the girl, something that rarely happened in Brazil or Colombia. I put my heart into just about every approach I did down in those countries.
Since banging a new girl every two months in unacceptable (1-2 new notches a month is a rate that I prefer), there are two possible solutions for when I’m in America:
1. Go out more to increase the odds of finding girls that I like.
2. Lower my standards.
I’ve chosen option two. When I’m particularly horny I would drink more and go for the gold on girls number 1 and 5 above, in effect doubling my attempt rate. While I still consider them bangable, I know I’m reducing myself to specimens whose personalities and vibes I dislike. It slightly burns that I was pulling superior quality just a few months ago.
An interesting thing I’ve noticed since I’ve been back: my libido has decreased to such a level that I’ve considered going on supplements like horny goat weed. Ultimately I decided against it (I’m already numbing myself with more alcohol), but I do think it’s amusing how a city’s lackluster women can drive me to increased drug usage. My horny goat weed will continue to be stints abroad, not a pill, no matter how “natural” it is.
Believe it or not, I’m not upset about this at all. I’ve made peace with life in America because it’s feeding the beast for richer experiences elsewhere. Only thing is I doubt that I could live in this area permanently. Why should I when I can live like a prince in cities with better women?
On the next night I went out, I had a one-night stand with a girl I started talking to a little before last call.
Her genetic beauty: 6
Her femininity: 6
Her sexuality: 2
Total interaction time: 75-90 minutes
Reason for sex: Game, alcohol, lowering my standards
Happiness level: Unchanged
After college a couple guys introduced me to a Baltimore spot called Hammerjacks. Now closed, it was a huge warehouse-style club that had an open bar for $20 on “college” Thursday nights. It was there I started my game journey, first with dance floor crotch-on-ass game. The large size of the club meant I could approach a million girls if I wanted to, and the initial successes I had in Hammerjacks gave me the confidence to transition to talking game in D.C. bars.
One of the reasons I stopped going to Baltimore every week was because the logistics were horrible. I didn’t have one-night stand game back then so it was pointless to drive an hour for a date to see a girl who most likely lived in a dorm. I still visited Baltimore monthly because the girls were definitely of higher quality than in D.C.
I can’t say that anymore.
I went on a Friday a few weeks ago to both Canton and Fells Point for the first time in over a year and was stunned and how huge, sloppy, and ugly the girls were. The only approachable girl I saw was waiting in line of a pizza place. I actually wished to be back in D.C., and I hate D.C.
The reason Hammerjacks kept me interested for so long was because those girls I was grinding my junk on were babyfaced teenagers who weren’t technically from Baltimore. While the area of Federal Hill may have some college cuties (I’m thinking of the bar Dirk McGerk), I completely understand why all the guys who email me from Baltimore say the scene is a wasteland. Without finding a niche I don’t see how I could be happy there. The city is dead to me.
Besides the snow, did I miss anything?
I checked in with my buddy Virgle Kent the other week and asked him a few questions about working out and pick-up. Let’s start…
So say I finally convinced a guy to sign up for a gym and he’s going to go three times a week. How should he start?
Well the first thing to do is decide on what exactly he’s trying to do and what is his goal for his body. If he’s fat and wants to lose weight and get toned, he’ll probably want a program with lighter weights and more reps. If he’s skinny and wants to gain muscle mass then the weight will be heavy but less reps. Lifting weights though is a personal science, so the more you know about your body and what it’s capable of the faster you’ll achieve your goals.
How about basic nutrition: what is an easy strategy that will help with muscle growth?
Easy, for muscle growth you’ll want protein plain and simple. You’ll want it from your food and whey protein. Again if you know your body and what it can handle, you’ll want to eat to grow. It gets complicated though when depending on the time of year and where you want your body to be in a certain time. For example, during the fall and especially in the winter I eat one way to gain mass and size. During the spring and summer I eat another way to cut up. But let’s keep it simple: high protein.
I weightlifted for years in addition to intense cardio but never got big. Here in Colombia I weightlifted without cardio for two months and got bigger than I’ve ever been. How do you feel about cardio exercises with weightlifting?
Cardio is a very tricky thing. If you’re a big fat fatty naturally then you’ll need to do a lot more of it and weight lift to get muscle definition and especially if you ever want to see your abs. But guys like you and I who are naturally skinny and have low body fat at our age, TOO MUCH cardio is the enemy. You start doing too much or running for long distances then that will hinder how much muscle you can build. I really never do cardio, never even ran and was huge. But honestly there’s no way to escape doing cardio. I got away with not doing it in my early 20′s but as I get closer to 30, I do it lightly. To get ready for Vegas I only jogged on the treadmill 2 to 3 times a week for 10 minutes. I also would change it up with running incline for 5 of those ten minutes. Cardio is needed.
Ha, doing some gay ass John Basedow work out they read in Men’s Health, where they try to balance on one foot on a ball while dumbbell curling with one hand and doing an overhead tricep extension with the other. The exercise doesn’t do anything but make the guy look stupid. But the more serious mistake is not asking for help on how to correctly do an exercise. Incorrect form on any exercise is a total waste of time of that exercise.
How do girls react to men with large muscles? How do you avoid being seen as a typical huge guy with muscles?
For the most part I think the girls are cool with it but I also understand that the girls are typically already into guys with muscles. But I find it cute when they find a reason to touch me or feel me up. Sometimes they straight grope and don’t even try to hide the fact. I don’t think if a girl has a conversation with me they can peg me as a meathead. This is DC so as soon as I tell them about my nerdy job working with numbers and spreadsheets in finance it’s kinda of hard to peg me as a meathead. Once I get into my love of Woody Allen movies its a wrap I’m not your typical meathead. I also joke around that I do a lot of Yoga and Pilates and move away from talk of the gym. Basically I try to play up my nerd side.
If a guy takes your advice and gets big, is there anything new he needs to keep in mind when gaming a girl than when he was weak and flaccid?
Yeah, don’t act like a meathead. Don’t talk about your workouts and even going to the gym. Be polite and a little sensitive. It’s easy and tempting to slip into cave man mode (I’ve done it from time to time) and get all “Me Tarzan, you Jane” on them. Over the years I’ve found that being big yet open, approachable and civilized works well with women. You want them to feel like you can protect and take care of them physically but you have a few things to offer them on the emotional side. Be as well rounded as you can be.
How would you describe your overall pick-up style? Does it change depending on city or environment?
My overall pick up style is probably Humor and Comfort. I want the girl to make her laugh, make her feel comfortable as if we’ve known each other for years. I don’t want it to feel like a pick up. I try my best to disarm and charm. A girl will more likely let you put your penis inside her if she feels comfortable about it (of course this isn’t always 100% trust me).
As far as city goes, we’re in DC it’s like marathon training in Colorado or when Goku trains on King Kai’s small planet with 100x Earth’s gravity. It’s harder, the women are ice cold. This city will force you to develop your game mentally or sink. As much as I hate it, I owe my success with women to it because it has made me a better at game. When I go to other cities or environments my game stays the exact same but the response is ten times as strong.
You have the ability to come up with interesting on-the-fly openers that work. Care to share your strategy for doing so?
It’s simply based on environmental observation. I read somewhere that a real ninja can find 10 things in a room to kill you with. I think a guy should be quick and smart enough to find ten things in a room he can talk to a woman about. I think some people make openers way too complicated, just keep it simple and remember that an opener is a reason to have a conversation. When all else fails just make fun of another less attractive girls outfit (just make sure it’s not her friend or sister).
We talked about mistakes that guys do in the gym. But how about in the bar? What do they do which kills their chances of getting with girls?
Reading The Game or Pick Up Blogs and taking it to literally. Picking up is a state of mind it’s not so much what you say but how you say it. Guys hear Peacocking and go out and buy huge gold male sign necklaces, shave a mohawk on their heads, get tear drop tattoos on their face then wonder why no girls in DC will talk to them. They could have simply put a pink pocket square in a blue blazer and gotten the result they were looking for. This is not something you can learn from a book, in a seminar or in one year.
Another thing is how they carry themselves in a room or in the company of women. Mistakes like not making eye contact, hands in pockets, and standing at the back of a crowded bar or away from the dance floor, even when they’re out to pick up girls.
How do you feel about mud turtles?
God bless em. Some nights you’re feeling lazy, you’ve had a long day and your really don’t want to work for it, you just need a turtle. They know how to make a man feel great because they really appreciate the smallest attention you give them. Just try not to go on a Turtle bender… no more than two turtles in a row, then cut yourself off and go for the regulars.
How much longer do you think you’ll be doing this? Do you see an end game in the near future?
Real talk Roosh, I want out so bad I can taste it. This life is all I’ve known since one year out of college. It scares me that each year I get a little bit better at it, this nomadic life, being selfish. You learn to become an actor to force a fake connection with a girl. But if you do this long enough it’s becomes harder and harder to tell yourself or know when you’re not faking it, so what happens when you meet a girl you really like how do you turn this off? If you’re good at being a certain type of man how easy will it be to fail when you try to be a different man.
There will be times when you go on hot streaks and hook up with so many women and feel good for a short while. In a couple of months you won’t even remember their name or the hook up whatsoever. It makes you question what’s the point. But this is a prison of our own creation. We all came in of our own free will. At some point each of us decided that we wanted to know how to be good with women. I wonder if we would have made that same choice if it we knew it meant the loss of emotional connection.
To answer your question though I hope the game ends soon for me but the chances are very slim.
Thanks VK. Read more about his thoughts on game and life over at his blog VK’s Empire Of Dirt.