From September to November I taught 16 workshops to 19 men. While it was hard work (believe it or not), it was extremely rewarding to see guys sometimes make a sizable improvement in just a few hours. Teaching the workshops gave me a changing-the-world-one-man-at-a-time sort of pleasure.
The flow of knowledge wasn’t only one-way, and from each workshop I learned not only want it takes to be a good teacher but also what works for the average man. I can teach game that works for me all day, but the workshops helped me refine game that works for a broader stroke of man. If something that worked for me didn’t get as much mileage for the majority of students, I made necessary adjustments.
I want to give a little preview of the day game book I’m working on and share three common mistakes that my students made during the day.
1. They didn’t talk enough. During the day you need to be able to basically talk nonstop for the 2-5 minutes it takes for a girl to warm up to the conversation. An early pause is death, and a huge chunk of the book will be about maintaining conversations even when the girl isn’t giving you much to work with. A universal problem is guys running out of chat within 30 seconds then asking personal questions, turning the approach into an uncomfortable interview that pushes the girl away.
2. They stood too close. Guys are standing next to girls like they are in a bar or nightclub. During the day there is no benefit to proximity like there is at night. It has the downside of making her nervous and uncomfortable. If you can raise your arm and touch her, you’re standing too close.
3. They teased. The pickup community has failed guys with regard to teasing. Guys think they are teasing a girl when they’re really insulting, and doing that during the day is a guarantee of killing the approach because she hasn’t consumed alcohol to soften the blow. Many times I’ve been listening in to an approach and predicted the end it after I heard such a “tease” (it comes 20-60 seconds after the mistake was made, but sometimes instantly if it’s harsh enough). I’ve had to take a hard line with my students: “absolutely no teasing.” During the day we build attraction through other means.
The parts of the workshop that got my heart going was when I got to listen in to an approach by a student who I’d put in the high beginner level. He would have approaches where he’s able to move the conversation forward, but he’d be making enough mistakes where it’s very possible she’d walk away. I’d be standing there a few dozen feet away with my hidden earpiece, pacing back and forth while clenching a sweat-soaked napkin and saying to myself: “No no don’t say that… change the topic… go for the close… why why why!” I know I was going through more stress than the student. Other situations where the guy was bombing or doing exceptionally well didn’t get my heart going like those middle-of-the-road approaches. It was like watching the beginning of a classic porn movie. Will the pizza delivery guy have sex with the young girl or will he not notice she’s half naked and blatantly staring at his dick while slowly licking her lips? The suspense is killing me!
I must say that the wireless radio system was a wise investment. I was able to give targeted advice and identify a clear pattern to success and failure. They were such a benefit that I don’t think I could teach a workshop in good conscious without them, because otherwise I simply won’t know the bulk of what the student is doing wrong (or right). My day game book will be stronger as a result.
I wanted to give a last thank you to the guys who took a 2.0 workshop, especially since I know it’s not easy to give a random guy off the internet several hundred dollars. I sincerely hope I put them on the right path.
I wanted to share a couple thoughts from the workshops I’ve taught since starting up the program again a month ago.
DAY VERSUS NIGHT:
Day game is still the most popular option (even most of the night instruction I’ve done has come from guys also doing the day game portion). A lot of men are simply not big on drinking and don’t want to spend time dealing with attitude, inebriated girls, cockblockers, and other distractions. On the other hand, night game is still the best venue for getting fast sex (sometimes within a couple hours), and a reasonable choice if you’re a moderate drinker. The trend I see is that guys like myself start off with night game in their 20s and then ease into day game once they lose interest in the bar and club scene. If you’re starting to learn game in your 30s, your best bet is with day game.
SECRET SERVICE STYLE RADIOS:
During the day workshop I can hear the entire conversation in my ear piece (the fact that it’s live makes me feel like Agent Smith). In version 1.0 of the workshop most of my suggestions were related to body language since I couldn’t hear most of what was said, but now I’m able to give feedback that is more related to game content. For instance, one thing I’ve noticed is that guys tend to fall back on ineffective conversational habits, such as asking personal questions when they run out of interesting chat. It usually takes about 4 or 5 approaches with my constant harping until the student starts to step away from them, and until then it’s common to see a guy commit a mistake just one minute after I told him to avoid it. Some things are so ingrained that I have to beat it out of the guy.
The radios don’t work very well at night. I only hear bits and pieces of the conversation because the background noise is too high. So now I just stand as close as I can to the student.
THE VALUE OF DEMONSTRATION APPROACHES:
I enjoy demonstrating approaches, especially since it’s the only way I’m meeting girls at the moment, but I’ve come to the realization that demonstrations are ineffective to a newbie. A guy can watch me get numbers/make-outs all day but then when he approaches he hasn’t taken anything from it.
When you want to learn a new song on an instrument, listening to someone else play that song over and over again doesn’t increase your ability to play that song. Instead you need to hear it once to know how it sounds, and then you get to work with repetitions. Since my game is mostly calibration, meaning it can vary greatly depending on the girl I’m dealing with, watching me can actually hurt. Though if the girl is cute I insist on demonstrating.
My hope with day demonstrations is for you to understand how to maintain a convesation before the girl starts to invest herself. For example, in the clothing store I sometimes do an approach with a bundle of plain socks to show how it’s possible to have a conversation with just about anything. The sock prop was a joke at first, but I’ve developed a sock routine that has become pretty effective. I guess it’s one of those things that you have to see to believe.
NIGHT WORKSHOP THOUGHTS:
The day workshop is nice and structured. We visit a venue, do a couple approaches, then on to the next one. The night workshop is more chaotic. While there are breaks to talk about previous approaches, it’s not like during the day when we relax halfway through over tea and cookies. The mixture of alcohol, brutal cockblocks, and a surplus of dudes can have a demoralizing effect on new gamesmen. You need a tougher shell if want to crack night game.
That said, if you want to unnerve people in a bar, simply write in a notepad. About five times per night workshop I hear “Why do you have a notepad? Are you a journalist?” Some guy even asked, “Are you transcribing the conversation I’m having with my friend?” Yeah, asshole, your jokes are so amazing that I have to write everything down.
I wanted to share a couple reviews from new workshop attendees. The first review is from blogger Neo:
We rehearsed the openers before each venue. There was a beautiful girl who had entered the coffee shop at some point while we were reviewing the manual.
Roosh: “That’s the type of girl guys get into the game for.”
I agreed. She was really attractive, if I saw a girl like this on a regular day I wouldn’t do anything, but I had to go for this. So I opened with one of the openers Roosh gave me and began a simple conversation. On the inside I was nervous, but the conversation flowed really well using the techniques Roosh taught me. She was studying for the LSAT and we shared the same ethnic background. Having dated a couple of girls in law school I also knew their hot buttons. About ten minutes later I had her number.
Roosh: “How do you feel?”
I was on cloud nine, this was one of the best looking girls I have ever gotten a number from.
We continued through DC, going into each venue. The only issue was the lack of quality of the girls around. After the first girl I set my bar pretty high, I only wanted to approach very attractive girls. I had to prove to myself that I could build interest with girls who were supposedly ‘out of my league.’
We went to a bunch of different locations where I approached and Roosh did some approaches as demonstrations. One of the reasons I took Roosh’s workshop and like his style is that he doesn’t promise a magic pill. Quite the opposite, he says that getting good at game is a lot of practice and hard work. Before the workshop started he told me what types of closing percentages to expect. Roosh’s approaches were a lot more relaxed and flowed better than the ones I did, I could tell that he had done a lot of them. We even did some hilarious approaches using outlandish items we found in the store. It made the workshop fun, and showed me that approaching girls is really no big deal and nothing to take seriously at all.
You can read the whole review here. Next up is an email from another student that I received three days after he took the day workshop:
In other news: first daytime number close! Cute 18 y/o Mexican (thought she was Colombian) who happened to be obsessed with [my country] and wouldn’t believe I was [age]. Walked and talked for 10+ minutes, ended with: “So you want to grab a coffee tomorrow?”, “Well, I don’t really drink coffee”, “Ok, want to do something else then?”, “Yes! of course!”, then number exchange. Would be a little surprised if this doesn’t convert, but logistics are going to be rather interesting.
Point being, this never, ever would have happened more than 3 days ago! Didn’t think it would be this easy :)
The number of exclamation points in his email might suggest it’s fake, but I assure you it’s not. Sometimes it’s not a matter of me making the man, but bringing the man out. Here’s another review:
I had a great time during the day game workshop and it was a lot more fun than I had anticipated. The workshop was exactly what I needed because my biggest problem was getting past the mental barrier and fear of doing an actual approach.
Strengths: The templates that we used were a great starting point on how to approach a women. This helped because the hardest thing about an approach is the beginning and these openers helped ease our nerves a bit since they seemed like simple conversational pieces. The venues that we went to were very diverse and it made me realize how I can pretty much run game in locations I didn’t think were possible
Weaknesses: There isn’t much that I would say an improvement is needed. This workshop was about running day game and I don’t think there is anything that wasn’t covered. In my own case the only thing that I wished was to receive the workshop manual a little earlier so that I could study/memorize the material better and try to figure out my big bait material. The manual was top notch, not too big but straight to the point. I will know it like the back of my hand.
The post workshop report was the best feature since I forgot a lot about what happened during the approaches after the fact. It helped me to get an overall idea of what I need to focus on in the future.
Overall the workshop is something I would definately recommend to friends or anyone else who I thought had the same issues. I will give myself time to work on my game for now but I think I would be open to another workshop at a later date for either the night game workshop or to tweek my day game even further.
While the game curriculum is the same for every student, I like to offer custom tweaks to individual men. For example in this student’s report I told him to introduce touching into his day approaches, a targeted suggestion that would give him more mileage because of his unique personality.
PRICING & SCHEDULING:
Here are the current prices:
If you want to sign up for both a day and night workshop, you’ll get a 15% discount off the total price. If you want to take a workshop with a friend, you’ll both receive a 10% discount. Both workshops take place on either Friday or Saturday. To sign up, email me at email@example.com with the word “Workshop” in the subject line and tell me which date is best for you. I’ll ask you to make a deposit with a credit card to reserve your spot. Currently I’m taking dates through Thanksgiving weekend.
For full details on the content of the workshop and what’s included, visit the workshop page.
I’m again teaching workshops in Washington DC, which will run four hours in length and teach men how to approach and talk to women in both day and nighttime settings. Outcomes that will be taught include getting a phone number, kiss, venue change (i.e. instant date), same-night date, and one-night stand.
The daytime workshops, which will take place on Friday and Saturday afternoons, will focus on how to meet women in coffee shops, bookstores, on public transportation, in grocery stores, retail stores, and on the street. The night workshops, which will take place on Friday and Saturday nights, will teach you how to meet women in bars and clubs.
During both workshops, you will:
- receive a comprehensive manual containing more than two dozen effective openers and follow-ups that will allow you to approach women anywhere
- practice the material on approximately ten girls who meet your quality standards (no fatties)
- learn techniques to get numbers, dates, and one-night stands
- get detailed written and verbal feedback on your game, from your body language and mannerisms to your conversational content and closing technique, which will serve as a blueprint for your immediate improvement
- be able to tap the brain of a man who has slept with a boatload of women in locations around the world and has dedicated nearly a decade of his life to penetrating women as quickly as possible—with the least amount of effort
I urge you to read on even if you’re familiar with my old workshops because I’ve revamped the program by adding new methods and technology.
Nearly two years ago I began teaching eight-hour game workshops in DC, which included both lecture and fieldwork of approaching girls in coffee shops, retail stores, grocery stores, the subway, and on the street. Within the next few months I taught thirty-two men and provided feedback on 416 of their approaches during nearly 150 hours of workshop time. These men were white, black, Asian, Indian, Latino, and Persian, with ages ranging from 21 to 54. I received positive feedback from thirty of these men, and neutral feedback from two.
Though I considered the workshops a huge success, I discontinued them in South America (though I did conduct one in Medellin). I don’t mean to sound like a wuss, but teaching them was the hardest job I’ve ever had in my life, more so than being a teenage janitor at a bagel shop, a DJ, a bartender, or a microbiologist. Each workshop involved several hours of nonstop talking, movement, and thinking. At the end of each one I was exhausted, but pleased at being able to provide a service that men valued. It’s a job I can only perform during occasional bursts of inspiration and energy.
Improvements & Innovations
I’ve been back in America for four months, and during that time I’ve been thinking about how to improve the workshops based on my own observations and feedback I’ve received from students. I came up with seven improvements, including two innovations that aren’t being used by any other game instructor.
Elimination Of Long-Form Lecture:
This was the biggest complaint from students. Many were bored having to sit in the same chair for hours as we worked our way through the workshop manual, and I couldn’t blame them. Essentially, they were paying money to have me read to them. If you look at commercial “boot camps,” you’ll see that their structure includes more than a dozen hours of sitting in a classroom listening to a good-looking actor talk about game—with much less time spent on making actual approaches. Adult men can read the material on their own—they attend workshops to learn how to do it live and to be critiqued on their technique.
Expanded Workshop Manual:
In order to eliminate the lecture, I have beefed up the workshop manual so that it can stand alone. To do that, the word count has increased by some 300% and I’ve revised it to make it more clear and concise (even having it professionally copyedited). In essence, the manual is now an Early Game book, packed with openers, follow-ups, and details of the when, how, and where to use them. You’ll receive the manual via email a few days before the workshop so you can read and study on your own. That way, you’ll be able to come to the workshop with a fair understanding of the game you’re going to run. Along with a brief introduction, we’ll spend 10-15 minutes before each venue reviewing and rehearsing the lines before you go into action. We’ll also do a couple fun social exercises to get you thinking in the right direction.
Addition Of Night Game Instruction:
Due to numerous suggestions, I’ve decided to also teach night game. You’ll have the option to do either a day or night workshop—or both at a discounted price. (If you do both, I recommend taking them on separate days so you don’t overload your brain.) The workshop manual now addresses nighttime approach logistics and includes six openers you can use exclusively in bar or club environments. Regardless of what workshop you take, you’ll receive the complete manual, featuring both day and night game techniques. This way you can see one part in action while working on the other on your own time. For example, if you mostly run night game now but are thinking about running day game in the future, you can take a night game workshop and have the day game material in reserve for when you’re ready to get started.
Optimized Game Material:
My day game material has been time-tested and put through the ringer with hundreds of approaches, thanks in part to my students. This has allowed me to optimize the openers and follow-ups to have greater effectiveness. If there was a line that students had trouble with, I took a long look at it, even using basic statistical analysis to aid in the process. The bottom line is the game you’ll learn has proved its worth and will offer you the highest chance for successfully approaching any woman—day or night. In the manual I also share some new bar lines that I’ve developed in the past year, which I haven’t published anywhere else.
1-on-1 Workshop Option:
Some men prefer to learn individually and do more approaches than a 2-on-1 session, so for this round you’ll have the option of attending solo workshops. In the 1-on-1 workshop you’ll be able to approach more, get more individual attention, and see me make more demonstrations. With two guys, there are fewer chances for me to demonstrate various approach techniques without taking away opportunities from students. (And as you may know, DC doesn’t have a huge pool of cute women to choose from.)
And now for the workshop innovations:
Custom Post-Workshop Report:
A few days after you take the workshop, you’ll receive a PDF file evaluating every approach you made during the workshop, with straight-forward critiques on what you did right and wrong. Of course I’ll give you plenty of tips during the workshop, but I believe that having a report you can reread will serve as a better reminder of how you can improve your game. This means that I’ll be furiously taking notes in the corner while you talk to women.
The report will also contain a section titled Things That Are Holding You Back, in which I’ll explain what is stopping you from banging lots of girls. In past workshops, I tried to be as gentle as possible, but this time I’ll make suggestions that may wound your ego a bit, with the sole intention of improving your game. For example if I think your style is off for the girls you’re trying to get with, I’ll tell you. After all, you’re paying me to make a positive difference in your life, not to coddle you. Also if I know a good venue in DC that fits your swag, I’ll suggest it. The report will serve as a blueprint for your improvement in the next 6-12 months, and will take me approximately one hour to create for each student.
Secret Service Style Two-Way Communication Radios (Day Only):
In past workshops I wasn’t always able to hear everything students said, especially if I wasn’t standing right next to them. Later I would ask them to replay conversations for me, but they weren’t able to remember all the details, some of which may be subtle but important. With the radios, I’ll hear most of what you say and be able to offer more accurate and effective feedback. I may even be able to determine where you lost a girl’s interest—something I’ll note in your report. This means I’ll be wearing an earpiece when you approach. Your radio will also come with an earpiece that, depending on your mood, you can wear during an approach or two so I can feed you game advice in real time (I’ll arm you with a ready-made excuse if the girl happens to see it.) Think of me as a modern-day Cyrano de Bergerac. The radio is only used for day game, since background noise at night is too high. Note that conversations will not be recorded, thus ensuring the legality of the method.
Here’s a diagram of the wiring system I’m using for the workshop:
I’ll ask you to wear some type of undershirt—either a wife beater or simple t-shirt—to attach the microphone and earpiece body. The microphone will remain hidden even if you wear a regular t-shirt over your undershirt, but a collared shirt will better conceal the earpiece wiring in the couple instances you put it on. The push-to-talk button will go in your front pocket and the radio itself will go in your back pocket.
Two Habits Of Highly Effective Trainers
I’ve taken a lot of lessons in my adult life: music, motorcycle, bartending, Spanish, Portuguese, racquetball, sailing, and a whole bunch of corporate workshops and training that I’ve thankfully forgotten. Over the years, I’ve learned two things about what it takes to be a good instructor:
1. Lecturing isn’t effective. Being a passive receptacle is the least effective way to learn something. Anything I’ve gotten good at has been from doing instead of just listening, which simply doesn’t work for a majority of people. I apologize to my prior students for putting up with this format.
2. Feedback is the key to improvement. The best instructors I’ve ever had recognized exactly what I was doing wrong and then had the honestly to tell me without having to sugar-coat. I remember my Spanish instructor in Argentina who thought my accent was straight-up “bad.” She stopped me every few seconds and forced me to repeat words to her liking, sometimes making me feel like an idiot, but I experienced the biggest improvement to my Spanish thanks to her tough love/positive feedback approach.
In my workshop, with the addition of the secret service radios and post-workshop report, I’ll make the feedback rain on you in a friendly but honest manner. With pinpoint accuracy, I’ll give you a list of actionable items that will have you seeing more improvement in the following three months than you’ve experienced in the previous year. I’m confident that my advice will make you eager to get back out in the field to try the suggestions I made.
What To Expect From The Workshop
You won’t be coming to me as a blank slate. Even if you’re a newbie, you’ll have some previous experience, and our goal will be to help you jump up one level in the next 3-6 months. Here are the five basic levels of game, keeping in mind that there are also varying degrees between levels.
Level 0: Newbie who has never cold approached
You’ll learn how to approach, and I’ll expect you to have a handful of 1-3 minute conversations. After the workshop, you’ll have less fear about approaching, since you’ll have firsthand experience that it’s not as bad as you imagined it to be.
Level 1: Beginner who has done a couple dozen approaches
You’ll learn how to maintain conversations and to convey interest. You’ll have conversations that will be longer than five minutes in length, coming close to at least getting a number. After the workshop, you’ll have sharper social skills and better calibration ability (i.e. knowing when a girl is interested or not).
Level 2: Intermediate gamesman who has gotten bangs out of cold approaching
You’ll have a couple conversations longer than ten minutes and will most likely get at least one number. After the workshop, you’ll become more effective at closing and escalating.
Level 3: Advanced gamesman who has gotten many bangs in the past year
You’ll get at least two numbers, with a 20% chance of banging a girl you meet during the workshop. Afterwards your game will be sharper and more refined. I’ll help you move your focus from phone numbers to same-night dates and one-night stands.
Level 4: One-night stand master gamesman
The workshop will freshen up your game, eliminate bad habits that have escaped your radar, and allow you to learn additional shortcuts that get you the bang faster.
With these workshops my job is to upgrade your game software instead of installing a new operating system. We’ll take what you have and refine it to give you the most mileage for rapid improvement, though ultimately it’ll be up to you to use the feedback and material after the workshop to maintain your progress. The workshop isn’t about creating overnight success stories, but putting you on the correct track so it all happens sooner.
On average, you’ll do twelve approaches during a day workshop and eight at night. If you’re taking the 1-on-1 workshop, you’ll do more. In previous day workshops, the average student made fourteen approaches.
Here’s a detailed review from the last workshop I taught. It was a combination day and night workshop that took place in Medellin, Colombia.
My goal of doing this workshop was to gain the confidence to approach girls. I am confident in many areas of my life but approaching women was just not one of them. I think my biggest issue is that I just did not know what to say. I can confidently say that Roosh has given me the tools and the confidence to approach girls. I can honestly say this because I approached girls/groups of girls about 20 times that night and saw firsthand that the tools that Roosh gave me really do work.
I came into the workshop with the goal of learning the specifics of how to approach women in a nightclub. But I came away from the workshop with far more than that. I’ll start from the beginning…
The first part was a 2-3 hour lecture. I was apprehensive about having a lecture beforehand when I figured I would get a lot more out of the night if I was to just start approaching girls ASAP. I was wrong. Roosh created a thorough manual that started with inner game and ended with the specifics on how to approach women in any situation (cafe, grocery store, street, bar, etc.). His material was surprisingly unique and the main concepts I learned are things I had never read before. He made sure that I understood the material completely and I think that rehearsing certain situations with Roosh really helped. The only critque about this portion is of the workshop is that we did not have enough time to complete the manual before doing approaches. It would have helped to start an hour or so earlier. Even so, we did finish going over the manual by the time the night was over at around 3 or 4am!
After finishing the lecture part we headed to an area with an abundance of bars and clubs. Our first mission was for me to approach girls/groups of girls walking down the street. I used a very simple line to get the girl(s) attention and have some short conversations that went pretty well. I even got a few numbers out of it. Even with the line Roosh provided I never would have been able to get the girls to stop and talk with me if it were not for Roosh’s specific technique to do this. He made it easy for me since he specifically positioned me and pointed out the girls I should talk to ahead of time before passing them.
The next portion of the night was at a busy bar. No, we did not just go up and approach as many girls as I could without discretion. The way Roosh suggested doing this felt far more comfortable because we took a position in the bar and I approached girls when they either passed us or when it seemed natural (i.e. getting another drink at the bar). But even then he did not just say, “ok go talk to the girls when you get another drink at the bar.” He explained how exactly I could do it, involving positioning, the best opener to use, etc.) Let me also add that we only approached attractive girls! I ended up with a few good conversations at the bar and had a great time!
Next up was a busy bar/small club. As soon as we walked inside he pointed out a group to approach but I chickened out…plus they were a bunch of hippie looking girls with manly hair. I think Roosh understood my apprehension and we went further into the club where I approached a group of girls with Roosh’s simple opener and wound up talking/dancing salsa with one of the girls for a bit. I was ready to move on and Roosh sensed this so he pointed out another group of girls to approach. It ended up going like that for a while. Though a few times I chickened out and he told me to go walk around and don’t come back until I approach a girl(s). This tough love was what I needed and eventually I did approach some more girls. Then some more! For the first time in my life I could rotate between groups of girls which I imagine really helps with attraction but also made me feel that much cooler! I ended up dancing pretty heavily with one girl and on my way between rotating from groups of girls Roosh advised me on how to isolate her. It didn’t work out so well seeing as how she was with her cousins and sister though but I am confident that I can do it in the future in an easier situation.
I chose to end the night after 8 hours of lecture and approaching girls because I was exhausted. I had such a blast that night and Roosh’s instruction was invaluable and though it’s to early to say, most likely a life changing experience. I have a thorough understanding on how to approach girls in any situation in addition to other factors like posture, positioning, etc. I am probably at a tougher stage now because I know in my heart that I have no excuses not to practice this stuff and if I don’t I have nobody to blame but myself.
I just came come from 7 1/2 months abroad and am extremely busy visiting friends, family, and catching up on my work. But I am excited about starting my last semester of university so that I take advantage of the great opportunities and situations to approach girls. It really helps to have Roosh’s continual guidance as he had made it abundantly clear that I should keep in touch and update him on my progress and any questions I have.
Here’s another review from a man who eventually slept with a girl he met during the workshop.
I really had a great time on the workshop. The idea of approaching random girls is not new to me, but I found that my interactions often weren’t going anywhere unless the girl took some sort of initiative/interest. The Galnuc and banter topics you discusses are a solid way of building interest and rapport while not sounding like some random pushy werido. You were encouraging and made it fun along the way once we hit the street, although in the beginning some parts were more helpful than others.
That first Turkish girl I talked to was pretty rough, I’m thinking maybe there’s a way to be more private in the beginning. It may also make you and the guys in the workshop more comfortable. Maybe grabbing one of those tables by the window would have been a good idea to mitigate this.
One of the big realizations I had during the workshop is to hit on a girl without actually hitting on her. Girls know you’re doing it, but for some reason you can’t come out and say it, you need to talk about some BS random goofy stuff like you gave us. (more on this below).
Later that night I texted 3/4 numbers I got but never called the Germans staying at the Marriott since I got a response from 2 out of the original 4. (The german’s international # bounce back on my carrier). The blonde sign language girl was going to a show and going out in georgetown so that was too far away form where I was going (Dupont) so the Brazilian was the girl I was going to meet up.
When the Brazilian girl showed up she was really looking good way more impressive than at the store. She friended me on facebook so you can see her picture, and a good example of day to night transformation. She met with my friends and we hung out for a while before going back to Dupont Circle to hang out and chat on the fountain for a while. She told me that she knew I was hitting on her right away but thought it was fun and was attracted to me (as mentioned above) I’m thinking the material really helped to clear the air and make it fun. At any rate after talking and getting a little touchy, I took her back to my place and banged her. That’s right, one of your workshop students got laid as a result of the workshop. Now I’m not sure what the going rate of hookers is these days, but for $175, that’s a great ROI. And this girl was no hooker (not that I would know), she was a cool girl with a great personality and fun to hang out with.
So there you have it, I had a great time. Thanks for your tips and information along the way. I’m going to stick with this and try to get better, I really enjoy meeting women and during the daytime I believe is the best time to do it.
One of my youngest day game students posted a review of the workshop on his blog. My favorite part:
What I learned in that day game workshop changed me forever. It was worth every penny.
Some of the men who’ve taken my workshop have reached incredible heights. I’m especially thinking of Tyler, who I see today as an equal, not a protégé.
Below are prices for all the workshop types and sizes. They are subject to increase.
Every workshop includes the following:
- At least four hours of in-field instruction
- Custom post-workshop report
- Electronic editions of the workshop manual and my book Bang (if you already have Bang, deduct $10)
- Complimentary email support for any game questions you may have for three months following the workshop
- A 50% discount on my upcoming day game book (expected release date: second half of 2011)
If you want to sign up for both a day and night workshop, you’ll get a 15% discount off the total price. If you want to take a workshop with a friend, you’ll both receive a 10% discount.
You’ll notice the prices are higher than two years ago. The main reason is that my knowledge of game has increased considerably, allowing you to learn material that is closer to being bulletproof. For example, the day game workshop has a new module on venue changing and same-night dating, something that wasn’t covered in the previous round. A small sampling of other modules include: Differences Between Day & Night Game, The Optimal Mindset, Rambling & Baiting, Nighttime One-Night Stands, and Turning Regular Thoughts Into Effective Openers.
I estimate that there are less than five men in Washington DC who have the deep game knowledge and experience I possess while also being able to teach it effectively to others. You’ll be learning from a veteran—not from someone who only made his first approach a couple years ago after seeing The Game at Barnes & Noble. With this new workshop I aim to continue providing good value for guys who want to improve their game.
Scheduling and Sign-Up
Day game workshops will take place Friday and Saturday starting at 2:00 p.m. Night game workshops will take place on the same days, at 9:00 p.m. To sign up, email me at firstname.lastname@example.org with the word “Workshop” in the subject line (or use this form) and tell me which dates are best for you. Once we find you a free slot, I’ll ask you to make a deposit with a credit card to lock in your spot.
You’ll get the workshop manual and Bang via email the week of the workshop, along with other details, such as what to wear and bring. You’ll receive your follow-up report three or four days after the workshop.
If you live in New York City, the cheapest way to attend the workshop is to take Bolt Bus ($35 round trip) and stay one night in the HI Hostel ($32.95/night), which is close to the starting locations of both the day and night workshops. A slightly cheaper option is the nearby Washington International Student Center Hostel ($27.78/night).
If you have questions about the workshop, post them in the comments section so everyone will be able to see my answer.
I don’t think I shared the number close results from my day game workshops. Out of 397 approaches, my students got 31 numbers while on the workshop, for an approach close rate of 7.8% (1 out of 13 approaches). Considering they were using new material for the first time and approaching in tough situations (some of the approached girls knew a game workshop was going on), I think the number is respectable. With a little practice and niche finding, 20% is definitely not out of reach.
Out of all 30 students, 15 got at least one number. So half of the students got to experience the initial stages of success.
One thing I haven’t talked about is how many guys banged a girl he met on the workshop. That number is three, or 10%. Two out of those three got a relationship out of it.
- 1 one of those bangs happened from a girl met in a clothing shop
- 2 of those bangs happened from girls met in the bookstore
How many guys do you know has banged a girl from meeting in either of those places? And to put things in better perspective, I was hovering over these guys taking notes with a running timer while they talked to a girl they eventually had sex with.
I think the bang rate is impressive. That means if you took my workshop, you had an immediate 10% chance of banging a girl you meet from it.
I want to have a day game book completed by the end of 2010, but before that I have to squeeze out a short book that I’m hoping will be ready by Spring. I’m trying hard to be productive but it’s impossible while traveling.
I congratulated Pete on the third number he received from a girl at the bookstore. I told him that it will be very hard for another student to get four numbers to break his record, but to be sure he should get one more so that his record remains in the history books for just about eternity. “No one is going to get five numbers,” I told him. He pulled his fourth number on the subway a little while later.
I can tell how good my students are by the end of the introductory conversations I have with them. If they give rich answers full of explanation and are generally chatty it’s a very good sign they will do well during the workshop. Two weeks after Pete’s performance I noticed that my new student, Tyler, had that natural chattiness skill, even going out of his way to build rapport with the other student in the workshop.
After the lecture portion was over, the three of us ventured from one venue to the next. The guys approached while I timed their conversations and took notes. Even though I sensed that Tyler had the innate talent, he did poorly in his first handful of approaches, running out of gas early in the conversation. I pulled him aside and said, “There is no reason why you shouldn’t have two numbers in your pocket right now instead of none. You’re fucking sleeping out there. How bad do you want it?” Some guys need fires lit under their asses because penetrating vagina can be too far down the road to serve as immediate motivation while out there on the field.
Through teaching workshops I have learned that being nice and encouraging like a grade school teacher does not translate into real world improvement. For an immediately jump in performance I bring out a healthy dose of disapproval, insult, abuse, and humiliation, which all act as a NOS nitrous boost for men.
My lashing worked because at our next venue, an H&M, he got two numbers, one upstairs and one downstairs. No guy has gotten two numbers in the same place before. He opened indirectly, stayed in the conversation, kept rambling on, built intrigue by tossing out bait, and then went for the number. Sometimes he stayed on script and sometimes he didn’t, but since he wasn’t appearing desperate I wasn’t getting on him too hard about strategy. He was so pumped that in subsequent approaches girls would tell him they had a serious boyfriend and he’d laugh it off and ask if the boyfriend would mind them hanging out. His desire was burning, like gonorrhea.
At the bookstore he got an email address and then a number. I told him I couldn’t count the email address so he still had to get one more number to tie the record. The other student had a what the fuck look on his face and made a comment about Tyler’s decent looks, but after doing fourteen of these workshops I knew his appearance was only part of the equation. His ramble and humor was among the best I’ve ever seen, and Tyler even commented to me that before he got into the game he “didn’t get shit.”
On the subway he got another number, tying the record.
Grocery store was the last venue. “Tyler, I don’t mean to put any pressure on you, but if you get one more number you get the record. No one is going to get six numbers.” There wouldn’t be a post if he didn’t get. Out of 17 approaches he got five numbers all from cute, bangable girls for a 29% close rate, and I’m not counting the email address.
What did he do right? He could talk. He could tell if a girl was getting bored with a topic he picked. He was funny. He was interesting because he had done interesting things. He worked out and took care of himself. And he wanted it bad. A hater can flip the equation say he rejected 12 times in a few hours, more times than most guys get rejected in a year, but by playing the numbers game and putting in his dues he’s being rewarded for his hard work.
Five years ago I wouldn’t have imagined having no prospects and then going out one Saturday afternoon and getting five of them without using money or status. And without having to get cockblocked. My own success and the success of my students has completely convinced me that day game is a sustainable way to meet girls and get laid. As soon as I’m done with my second book, which is inching towards the finish line, I’ll start work on adapting my day game manual into a book. It’s what the people want.
Tyler wrote about the workshop on his blog. I teach my last two students this Saturday. With these workshops I feel like I’ve made a positive impact to the world, and now it’s time to do the same but in Ethiopia with starving kids instead of horny guys.
I have now taught ten day game workshops to nineteen men. April will most likely be the last month I do these. I’m going to be a little mum on my plans since they aren’t finalized yet, but I plan on hitting the road by May.
Here’s some workshop thoughts from a few students:
I’d give the workshop an A+ grade. I liked how easy the system is, and thought Roosh was a great teacher. He explained everything in an easy to understand manner, and then closely watched the approaches, taking good notes so he could give lots of feedback. He uses a casual, “under the radar” style with openers that just sound like natural conversation. Because they are so easy and natural sounding, the openers take only a minimum amount of balls to deliver. Roosh gives you a 100% effort–worth every bit of your money.
The key to tight day game is indirect approaches. Direct game is not game at all, but a roll of the die based on what a girl thinks about your physical appearance.
First of all, I really appreciate how you stayed beyond your planned time, and helped me get started with day game.
I thought entire program was well thought-out and ‘easy to follow’, although actual execution of the routines were rough.
I think the workshop could be improved with additional help beyond ‘opener’ and ‘follow up’…(like when we kept on asking you for possible scenarios after back-and-forth follow up) but then again… I imagine anything beyond is mid-level game, and there would be too many scenarios and factors involved.
The workshop was really worth the cost and time, especially with the idea that “SHE WANTS TO GIVE YOU THE NUMBER, NOT THAT YOU ARE SCHEMING TO GET THAT NUMBER”. That statement and idea really opened my eyes and my attitude towards the game.
When you’re using the material for the first time it will be choppy, though rarely disastrous since the approach is indirect. With practice it will get a lot smoother. Beyond the follow-up I teach the main idea of what you want to do (baiting, rambling), but it is not feasible to memorize conversation. That would be too robotic and unnatural.
My overall experience with the Day Game Workshop was positive. The provided workbook that was extremely helpful and the in depth explanation of the concepts gave me a better understanding of the pick-up techniques that work. Not only did Roosh show me how to successfully approach women during the day, Roosh also made the workshop fun and gave me the motivation I needed to approach women. Of the 15 women I approached during the workshop, I came away two numbers (one of which, I dated today). After the workshop, I even used Roosh’s techniques on the subway to get an additional number from a pair of girls. I am quite satisfied with the the Day Game Workshop and would recommend it to anyone with a desire to learn how to attract women. THANKS ROOSH!
This was one of my most advanced students. His day game learning curve will be short because he was already decent with girls beforehand.
The workshop was great, and more than worth it. It was transformational and helped build my confidence to go out and practice. I actually talked to a woman on the street and used FALNUC and said let’s hang out. I didn’t number close, but I did something I’ve never done before and it honestly made me proud. I’ve been on kind of a high since Sunday. I have been talking to girls and not getting scared to open because I’m so under the radar using some of the lines you taught me as well reframing it that my interest was just not sexual during the day. I’ll write more later this week as I just got back from a date, and I do need your advice moving to the Bang. Your book will probably answer it for me, but I won’t get a chance to read it until this weekend.
FALNUC is an mneumonic I made up for when it’s time to get the number. Each letter stands for something. It’s a bit involved but it increases rapport while reducing the liklihood of a flake.
The workshop lasts about 8 hours, of which roughly the first several are spent going over the theory and the material, and the the remainder is spent in bookshops, grocery stores, clothing stores and other usual places people go to during the day.
Although the material can be pretty dry, things pick up quickly when pickup attempts are made. Roosh has a pretty clear idea of what works and what doesn’t and is an encyclopedia of experience. Perhaps my attention span is too short, but while I found it difficult to absorb the written material, once it was demonstrated in practice a structure was developed and then honed in on.
Roosh does a good job of keeping things fun, humorous, and informative. Overall I would recommend this experience to anyone.
Pros: Asking Roosh all sorts of questions about lots of aspects of the game.
Cons: Sitting for a lecture for several hours is why I go to school.
The most common complaint I have is the initial 2-3 hours where students are listening to me talk. I’m aware of this but I don’t want to put students in tough situations without preparing them beforehand. The material takes time to explain, and it should because it’s not easy. Here’s another comment about that:
I didn’t like the amount of time we spent at Starbucks. We were there for about three hours just looking over your packet. It reminded me of school, and so my mind began to wander. I thought we should have been thrown into the fire immediately. If we had left earlier, we might have seen some hotter women.
As far as you analyzing our approaches, that was the best part of the workshop. The nuggets of information you fed me were very useful.
Overall, it was an experience that has numbed me from the nervousness of approaching.
This student had the type of personality where he liked a challenge, but most guys would be traumatized if “thrown into the fire.” In a perfect world I would give students personality quizzes before the workshop and pair them up with someone like them.
Here are the previous things I’ve written about the workshop:
I teach these on Saturday’s now. If you’re interested email me at email@example.com with “workshop” in the subject.
It was the Sunday before Obama’s inauguration. The weather was cold but nothing like the weekend before when my students and I had to endure temperatures in the low teens. I arrived at the meeting point, a special Starbucks that was inadvertently made for day game, not knowing anything about my two students besides their names.
They finally arrived and it became clear to me that they had game. I only need to hear a man speak for 30 seconds before I can put together a pretty accurate assessment of his ability. Generally the chattier he is—without making inappropriate jokes—the better he’ll do. If there is one skill that is more important than any other when it comes to picking up women, it’s being able to talk in long prose without continuous feedback.
The first student was Indian but he looked more Middle Eastern. He was thin with a shaggy haircut, a little shorter than my own. He wore a retro plaid shirt and a classic black overcoat with a pin on the left lapel. I’ll call him Shaggy. The other student was a white man with a closely cropped haircut. He wore basic blue jeans and a blue crew sweater with a white undershirt. Army, who I’m calling him, would fit quite well in places where white people gather. Both took care of their appearance and seemed to be in good shape.
They told me they were hesitant about signing up for the workshop because they already get laid, but wanted to master day game. They mentioned the reasonable price. In my head I felt like my decision to charge lower than I can was validated since I’m able to teach guys who are not mere beginners. For some guys my workshop is Game 101, but others it’s 330, a third year course.
Army struck first. On the way to deposit a paper cup in the trash can, he casually approached a young, innocent-looking girl who sat alone at a table reading the bible. She responded very enthusiastically to the opening material and a few minutes later he got her number. No girl is immune to game, a fact that I already knew.
While Shaggy was conversing with a blonde girl nearby working on her laptop, two random girls came up to the table and asked if we’re doing some “male-female psychology” program. I did catch them earlier trying to listen into the lecture material. I wasn’t forthcoming about what we were doing and only gave them vague statements about “relationship dynamics.” Then loudly one of the them said, “BECAUSE HE [Shaggy] IS RIGHT THERE TALKING TO THAT GIRL.” My eyes opened wide, appalled at the lengths girls go to cockblock. I turned my face while simultaneously waving the girls away, not wanting to encourage them to speak any further in case they might do some real damage. Since they were standing and I was sitting, they had no choice but to obey and leave, slightly stunned at my rudeness.
Shaggy hesitated to close on the laptop girl. The problem with day game is you are never 100% sure you’re getting the number, unlike night game where if you’re talking to a girl for a certain amount of time (>20 minutes), the number is pretty much guaranteed unless you’re an idiot with no game. He redeemed himself in Urban Outfitters. A tall blonde girl with hipster glasses was browsing through some sweaters on sale near the stairs when he approached her using material. It took about 8 minutes for the number to be exchanged. Shaggy was the first student to get a number in a clothing store (during the workshop).
Both men were charged up. On the street Army approached a cute, young girl who looked mightily similar to the one in the coffee shop. Shaggy and I watched her show major interest (“Where do you live?”) and used telepathy to tell Army to go for the number. He starts to close the deal when two things happen. First, her Dad calls her on the phone. Army stood there calmly but I imagine it was awkward for him, but as long as the girl stayed put there would be no reason for him to move away. Second, she said she was on her way to church. This caused Army to freeze. He stalled and she didn’t wait, in a hurry to meet up with her father in a nearby place of worship. Army told us he suspected that she was a member of the same congregation as the girl from the coffee shop.
In the next clothing store, Shaggy chats up a gorgeous girl by the cosmetic jewelry section. There was no conceivable reason for him to be around beaded necklaces, hoop earrings, and sparkly head bands, but the opening material is natural enough that is lowers a girls’ guard who would otherwise be suspicious about why a man is a full level away from the men’s section. It was here that I noticed a flaw in his close technique: he tried to integrate himself into her future plans instead of just asking for the number outright. I take note of this in my notebook for later debriefing.
Only twenty feet away in the young intimates section, and almost within earshot of Shaggy, Army delivered. He approached two friends and talked for ten minutes, ending the interaction with both of their numbers. Even though he got two numbers, I’m only counting it as one since he can’t go for both girls. Like I mentioned to them in lecture, it’s very difficult to go for one girl in a pair. One student did it in the following week in the Barnes & Noble, but only because one of the girls was leaving town in a day. The out-of-towner faded into the background voluntarily.
Though we’re barely halfway through the workshop, I said, “It will come down to the grocery store.” The grocery store is the last venue.
I hyped up the competition so they are motivated to close and set a new record: 3 numbers. While getting laid serves as plenty good motivation, it doesn’t have that instant gratification as beating your fellow man. Both approached girls with no encouragement from me, but neither are able to convert on subsequent street or bookstore approaches. We got on the subway.
The trains were uncomfortably packed, an ideal environment for subway game. Army came within striking distance of a girl on her way to an inaugural ball. She had on a conservative black dress and three-inch heels that squeezed her toes inward towards the middle. It seemed like her toes were tripping on top of each other. Army did admirably, talking to her for four minutes and blowing through awkward points in the conversation to get some semblance of rhythm going. Maybe if she wasn’t getting off so soon there would have been a number, but… nothing.
In the middle of the car Shaggy talked at length to a fun, smiley girl. As luck would have it, she had to make the exact same transfer we did. Waiting on the next platform, he bailed on her without getting the number. Infuriated, I told him to go back and get the digits because she is obviously interested. He did.
Like I predicted, it came down to the grocery store. I told them they both have tied one of my previous students who got two numbers on a workshop, and that if they want a more permanent place in the record books they must get 3 numbers. I added how it will be near impossible for anyone to get 4 numbers. They’re pumped and ready, like bulls ready to be released onto the ring. They grabbed shopping baskets and I released them off into the wilderness that is the Whole Foods produce section.
The grocery store is the final exam. I let guys roam there on their own without me by their side. If they can’t approach a girl completely alone by the end of the workshop, then I’ve failed them.
Now remember that it’s a Sunday night, the slowest night of the week for grocery shopping according to the supermarket lobby (Food Marketing Institute). For this reason both Army and Shaggy were roaming the aisles, back and forth, waiting for prey. They stalked the same girl in the yellow shirt, waiting for a perfect moment that will never come. Eventually Army walked up to Shaggy and asked, “Did you approach her yet?” Shaggy said no, and Army replied, “Alright then I will.” He casually strolls to the girl in the yellow shirt and spits his game, but she wasn’t biting. Shaggy made an attempt of his own but there was nothing there as well. If it was a Saturday night I think the end result would have been different.
The workshop soon came to an end. If God existed, I’m sure he would be proud of what I’m doing.
One of my recent day game students was a hipster. I poked fun at the subculture a bit and he told me I should seriously consider hitting hipster spots. He said, “At Black Cat, 60% of people there are girls, and half the guys there are gay.” He added that they are also cuter than average because they are notoriously superficial and overly concerned with looks. The case he laid out was pretty solid.
I wonder what the average level of game is among hipster guys. I’m guessing the farther out you go from mainstream venues, the poorer game you’ll find. Guys at regular bars spend their spare time at the gym and hitting on drunk girls. Guys at Black Cat spend their time dressing themselves and finding new bands. He did know a lot about fashion and music so I’m guessing those are the angles you need to play when going into the hipster circles.
As for the student, he shattered both workshop records: longest approach (15:30) and most numbers (2). One was at the grocery store, and he didn’t even buy anything. I was extremely proud. But then within two weeks three other student tied him with two numbers each and another broke the time record (23:00). Three phone numbers remains stubbornly elusive, but it’s just a matter of time.