From September to November I taught 16 workshops to 19 men. While it was hard work (believe it or not), it was extremely rewarding to see guys sometimes make a sizable improvement in just a few hours. Teaching the workshops gave me a changing-the-world-one-man-at-a-time sort of pleasure.
The flow of knowledge wasn’t only one-way, and from each workshop I learned not only want it takes to be a good teacher but also what works for the average man. I can teach game that works for me all day, but the workshops helped me refine game that works for a broader stroke of man. If something that worked for me didn’t get as much mileage for the majority of students, I made necessary adjustments.
I want to give a little preview of the day game book I’m working on and share three common mistakes that my students made during the day.
1. They didn’t talk enough. During the day you need to be able to basically talk nonstop for the 2-5 minutes it takes for a girl to warm up to the conversation. An early pause is death, and a huge chunk of the book will be about maintaining conversations even when the girl isn’t giving you much to work with. A universal problem is guys running out of chat within 30 seconds then asking personal questions, turning the approach into an uncomfortable interview that pushes the girl away.
2. They stood too close. Guys are standing next to girls like they are in a bar or nightclub. During the day there is no benefit to proximity like there is at night. It has the downside of making her nervous and uncomfortable. If you can raise your arm and touch her, you’re standing too close.
3. They teased. The pickup community has failed guys with regard to teasing. Guys think they are teasing a girl when they’re really insulting, and doing that during the day is a guarantee of killing the approach because she hasn’t consumed alcohol to soften the blow. Many times I’ve been listening in to an approach and predicted the end it after I heard such a “tease” (it comes 20-60 seconds after the mistake was made, but sometimes instantly if it’s harsh enough). I’ve had to take a hard line with my students: “absolutely no teasing.” During the day we build attraction through other means.
The parts of the workshop that got my heart going was when I got to listen in to an approach by a student who I’d put in the high beginner level. He would have approaches where he’s able to move the conversation forward, but he’d be making enough mistakes where it’s very possible she’d walk away. I’d be standing there a few dozen feet away with my hidden earpiece, pacing back and forth while clenching a sweat-soaked napkin and saying to myself: “No no don’t say that… change the topic… go for the close… why why why!” I know I was going through more stress than the student. Other situations where the guy was bombing or doing exceptionally well didn’t get my heart going like those middle-of-the-road approaches. It was like watching the beginning of a classic porn movie. Will the pizza delivery guy have sex with the young girl or will he not notice she’s half naked and blatantly staring at his dick while slowly licking her lips? The suspense is killing me!
I must say that the wireless radio system was a wise investment. I was able to give targeted advice and identify a clear pattern to success and failure. They were such a benefit that I don’t think I could teach a workshop in good conscious without them, because otherwise I simply won’t know the bulk of what the student is doing wrong (or right). My day game book will be stronger as a result.
I wanted to give a last thank you to the guys who took a 2.0 workshop, especially since I know it’s not easy to give a random guy off the internet several hundred dollars. I sincerely hope I put them on the right path.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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“especially since I know it’s not easy to give a random guy off the internet several hundred dollars”
The pickup community has failed guys with regard to teasing. Guys think they are teasing a girl when they’re really insulting . . .
Ok, i’m kinda confused now. I read a lot of your posts so I’m pretty confident you know what you’re talking about. However the “talk alot” and the “no teasing” rules completely contradict what I read about in this other model of daygame.
If possible, could you glance over it to see the differences in approach to this issue? Thanx
So…$500 X 19 = $9,500. In 3 months.
Hey Roosh, unrelated question: have you already decided which countries you want to visit after Iceland?
what’s up with these Thursday posts all of the sudden? I feel like my world’s been turned upside down!
Snowperd: I have glanced over his model but don’t think it’s applicable to the majority of guys. It’s great that he found something that works for him when using it on foreign girls, but most of my students want something that works on American/Western girls in their own cities. My understanding is that he developed most or all of his model while in Eastern Europe.
@Roosh: So Wester girls are more entitled and therefore contribute less to the conversation and they’re not as capable of handling a joke like eastern european girls?
Can’t say i’ve really been with enough of either one of them to comment, but it seems to fit with your opinion of western women :).
I don’t know Roosh’s model but Snoeperd’s original comment seems to set up a false opposition. I carry the conversation in the early going and I don’t insult the girls. Roosh’s “no tease” rule sounds like its just a temporary ban until the student has developed calibration, rather than his model bans teasing for all people.
My model is designed to make the girls talk and for me to talk less but this is a GRADUAL flipping of the script and in the beginning I’m talking 90%.
Giving some random dude off the internet your hard earned cash is a risky adventure, but Roosh is the real deal when it comes to giving realistic and sensible game advice. I was a student of his during a day game workshop last year, and let me be one of many who can say that your learning curve is greatly reduced if you heed Roosh’s advice.
The teasing early on and lack of “ramble” were, and on occasion, are still stumbling blocks I must over come. However, having a dude like Roosh lay it out in plain english why certain facets of your game are weak is a god send.
The way the workshop is structured and the ease in which Roosh can extract the positive qualities of his student speaks highly of his understanding of the teacher/student dynamic. I was an NCO (non-commissioned officer) in the military for six years, that experience taught me that a successful teacher expects a lot , but doesn’t demand perfection.
In short, thanks Roosh for the helping me and others get on the right track.
P.S. I still can’t believe that chica didn’t have arms! I’m getting better at GALNUC…
I’ve only ever successfully picked up retail girls during the day, and I’ve done it by being very direct. e.g. What time do you get off? We can go grab a drink together.
I’m going to start teaching roommate game this year and I look forward to the learning experience.
It was like watching the beginning of a classic porn movie. Will the pizza delivery guy have sex with the young girl or will he not notice she’s half naked and blatantly staring at his dick while slowly licking her lips? The suspense is killing me!
krauserpua.com has infield videos of his day game pickups so the guy is legit.
Having said that, all his girls are foreign. I haven’t seen him pull or lay an Anglo/American-woman.
Not that I dislike European/Asian women, but I’m stuck with the talent in NA. Now how much of his success in the field is a result of using his “high status English man ” card, and his ability to control and dominate the frame due to his targets’ inability to speak English and shit test.
If Krauser shows us his day game model applying to – and getting laid by – the local English women I’ll be doubly impressed. Despite all his videos he has yet to do so (all his successful targets are foreign) and his harshest blowouts were in London by the local women.
All the day game gurus seem to be out of Europe, which makes me wonder if Europe is more amenable to day game than the US/Canada.
Roosh, how about some infield videos of your day game pickups.
krauser pua’s model works in america too, as seen in my own efforts. teases r fine, its just essential to say them at the appropriate time.
why is everyone caught up w/ whether it only works on foreign chicks? he prolly pimps foreign chicks cuz their way hotter. anglo girls are a big step down if people have not yet noticed.
i am going to try some day game out here in japan for the next few months. i tried one set today, got totally ignored lol
I wrote book too, it’s called Bang Grand Canyon, about how to get laid in the Grand Canyon
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I think light teasing is something guys really need to get a handle on. Telling a guy not to tease does not really solve any problems. I think the tease is good when its used just a little bit and probably somewhere in the middle when you’ve got rapport.
Most guys go overboard with the teasing starting off. I’m a case in point. Its also because of the communities emphasis of ‘the neg’ which many novices will overuse and abuse. Most girls are actually quite fragile and crumble easily when negged. It takes experience to know just how much a dose the girlies need. Usually its a lot less than one thinks.
I also gave this hairy bastard several hundred dollars off the internet
I’ll try to give an even handed review for those on the fence. But to sum it up, it was well worth it.
Would I have done something like this taught by someone else? Probably not. This PUA field reminds me of the supplement/get rich quick industry where a handful of hustlers prey on the insecurities of many.
But, I’ve been following him off and on for about a decade and have met him personally prior so I could say for certain that he was authentic and I wanted to pick his brain.
Is it pricey? sure, but it the long run what is $350 in exchange for something that could change the way you see things? or shaving several months on the learning curve?
What should you expect? If you didn’t approach before, it will become socially acceptable to you after. Every day I pass a girl on the streets now I have his hairy face in my mind yelling at me. He also explains the subtle nuances of the whole process. You can read things online all you like but until you have someone there holding up a mirror to you it’s hard to grasp what you are doing wrong.
Who it should be for? Perhaps others’ experiences differ than mine but I think it’s best for guys with a good base of social skill as that leap to entertaining a random girl on the street seemed a bit of a jump. You also need a decent amount of self-esteem to deal with his contempt as he doesn’t take wishy washiness or excuses too well. My only regret is (1) not doing it sooner and (2) not putting in enough time prior so that I could have gotten the most out of the session.
At the end of the day despite the fact this site dips into a bit into the extreme now and then, Roosh is a good guy and does try his best as a teacher with comedic relief. He even stayed past the allotted time just to see the session end properly. And as so long as he keeps these qualities I’d recommend it.
I also parted with Roosh with my hard earned cash to take one of his day game workshops. Day game was always something I was keen to learn, as I have been doing nightgame for a while, but didn’t want to just rely on being a ‘weekend warrior’ to meet women. I have been following Roosh’s blog for a few years and I got the impression he was a stand up guy who believed in what he preached. So when I was in America on holiday (I come from the UK) – I took a greyhound from New York where I was staying to take one of his workshops and stopped in a hostel overnight.
The trip was a ball ache, but it was well worth it. My skill to begin with was intermediate, but the difference in night game and day game was massive for me and I needed someone like Roosh to point that out. He analysed every approach down to the final detail and told me what I did wrong and how I could imporve, which meant that in each approach I did that day I got markedly better.
I absolutely bombed my first approach and I stuttered and spluttered, but he pushed me to do it and I was glad because any nerves for the rest of the day were gone and I just enjoyed it. We were meant to spend from about 2pm-8pm doing the session, but because he felt we didn’t cover enough scenarios, he had me approaching until 10pm which I really appreciated. I got the chance to pick his brains, ask him nightgame questions, questions I brought with me that I had in mind, and just general stuff. Roosh cares about his students doing well, but you need to be able to take criticism, as he will not hold back, and ultimately being good at the game requires skin like a rhino. Finally, be keen to learn and know what you want to get out of it, as Roosh told me many students came to him and just weren’t bothered, why spend the money and waste your time, not many people with this skill charge such a reasonable price. That’s my two cents.
Oh and I went out that night and even used some of the stuff Roosh taught me in DC and got a bang! So can’t be too bad!
“They didn’t talk enough. During the day you need to be able to basically talk nonstop for the 2-5 minutes it takes for a girl to warm up to the conversation. ”
Reminds me a little of the Steve Martin routine “Let me tell you how YOU can make a million dollars and not pay any taxes . . . First, get a million dollars . . .”
Damn, get me on the waiting list to become a student. ever since i seen mystery’s show it lead me to roosh and i love it.
hey roosh when is your next workshop and where??