The following is a guest post by Krauser.
Most of Roosh’s regular readers will be quite aware of his take on indirect game as outlined in Day Bang. The hairy one has been kind enough to offer me a platform to discuss how to take your experience in indirect game and try direct. I’ll focus on the differences because a lot of the basics are shared by both styles.
You must be a master of your intent. Direct game is about recognizing, embracing and making a weapon of your sexual intent. It’s not enough to tell a girl you like her; you have to be utterly congruent with your desire so that when you step up to her and look into her eyes she doesn’t see any hesitancy, contradiction or apathy. It’s the purity of focus and self-belief which will be conveyed through your subcommunication and offset the (mistaken) theory that letting the girl know your interest before she shows interest is a weakness.
Mastering your intent requires much inner game work but I’ll reduce it to these three elements:
1. Empty your logical forebrain of all the feminist-beta bullshit telling you what women want and what a real man is. Most readers here will be quite far along that road. If you have any doubts, ready Aubrey Andelin’s Man of Steel and Velvet. A poorly-trained forebrain will cockblock your intent.
2. Deeply introspect about what type of women you like. You can’t be going half-cocked into a direct approach thinking “she’s alright, I suppose I wouldn’t mind fucking her” or you are bringing contradiction into your intent. Elderly opening in a supermarket is different because you aren’t putting your intent out early and thus there’s no contradiction between your intent and your behavior. In direct game, when you stop a girl you must know she’s the kind of girl you like and genuinely feel the pull to try to fuck her. No sitting on the fence.
3. Accept it’s ultimately a numbers game. You’ll only be able to get girls who are available and into you. This primer will show you how to put your best foot forward to maximize your chances of getting them, but it won’t turn a No Girl into a Yes Girl. Think of it as turning over stones…. here’s an interesting-looking girl, let’s find out if she likes me. Rejection happens a lot but it’s nothing, she’s just screening herself out for you.
Conquering Approach Anxiety
Most guys who practice indirect game will have found themselves a new comfort zone where they don’t really have to put themselves on the line until they’ve received interest, a couple of gulps on the big bait, and are thus ready to go with a Statement of Interest. You must shock yourself out of this.
The frame of indirect game is weaving a web, painting a picture, conducting a symphony, while direct game is steamrolling the girl with confidence and masculine presence. You can’t take the frame of one and succeed with the other. So, knowing you are going in harder and faster, how do you control the approach anxiety jitters?
Remember the Bonnie Tyler song Holding Out For A Hero? Women are crying out for a real man of depth and character to sweep them off their feet. Girls go around chasing their tails until a man (figuratively) grabs them by the nose and leads them off. They are tired of wishy-washy pushovers. Successful intimacy is the highest priority in every woman’s life and thus any time she meets a man who may be good enough to meet this need she will make the time to find out.
Don’t worry about “she looks busy” or “I’m interfering with her day”. She wants you to interfere. The whole act of being a man is to penetrate her day, her mind, her body. She’s on your side, hoping you are that guy she’s been waiting for all this time.
For beginners, avoid using direct game in “ambush scenarios”. This means any situation where the girl can’t get away from you without losing something (e.g. at a coffee shop table, waiting at a bus stop, sitting on a train). Direct game can be done in these scenarios but requires far more finesse. Stick to the core direct game sets—a lone woman walking somewhere.
Choose a woman who turns your head. You must feel the “blood bubble” where your whole body is telling you open that girl. If you find yourself intellectualizing, looking twice, wondering “Is she hot?” then it’s not the girl for you. Your intent must be pure so she has to, from the available evidence, fit your idea of your type of girl that you previously introspected.
Generally I let a girl walk past me before I open but it’s not rigid. Let her walk, count to three, then jog after her. You need to be raising your state and loosening your social inhibition as you catch up so make your jog loose and playful. Pretend you are thinking of a private joke so a half smile or smirk crosses your face. Look at her ass, watch her walk, feel the desire to fuck her. Think what you could do to her if she was naked and bent over your sofa.
As you catch up, pull to one side and leave a couple of feet space as you get overtake her. Turn your head and look at her, getting into her peripheral vision a few steps before you turn, cut across and stop in front of her. You must stop in front. Imagine she is a train on a track. You want to be straddling the track. You fully intend to command this woman’s attention. Commit to it. Your whole body is showing the same purity of intent as the words about to come out of your mouth. Put out a hand in a gently commanding Stop motion, look her dead in the eye, and smirk. Then looking at her the whole time, deliver the opener. Your body language and eye contact are what will freeze her to the spot, not the words.
Through your introspection you should already have a good idea what you want in a woman and through your target selection she should fit this. Therefore you can come out directly and tell her what this is. I usually suggest guys try this structure:
- Mild Compliment
- Breakdown (2 complimentary, 1 tease)
It all happens in about fifteen seconds and is easily personalized. For London, which is full of the foreign girls I chase, I concentrate on her nationality, such as:
Hi (S). I want to tell you something (PF). I was just over there and I literally just saw you (R) and wanted to say you look quite nice (MC). Very Spanish (A). It’s you big black hair, dark eyes, and weird fashion (B).
When the nationality is obvious but I’m a foreigner, such as my recent trip to Croatia, then I can still mention it, such as:
Hi (S). How good is your English? (PF) I’m here on holiday and I’ve been noticing something about the women here (R). You are a real woman (MC). You exactly fit my image of a Croatian girl (A). It’s your long straight hair, elegant fashion, and funny serious look on your face (B).
Often the content of the opener will come to you as you see the girl such as a smile as she walks by, a hair toss, a serious expression, how she’s dressed, or how she walks. Whatever you feel is what you work with because purity of intent and head-to-toe congruence is what carries you through. Make your assumption and then feed three things back to her that you can see, the last one being a mild tease.
Hi (S) Can I just say something real quick? (PF) I was just sitting over there when you walked past and totally turned my head (R). You have a great feminine walk (MC). I’d guess you are a proper woman (A). You’ve got that soft walk, your hips swaying from side to side, a bit of a too-cool-for-school pout on your face (B).
Bridging To A Conversation
If you’ve opened well and she’s at least theoretically available to you (i.e. not married, reasonably attracted) then you must bridge into a real conversation. Failure here will lead to her smiling, saying thank you and then walking away because you didn’t subcommunicate that you intend her to stay. Hopefully your three observations will give her something to work with and respond to. If not, you’ll have to plow a little.
Accept that in the beginning the weight of responsibility is on you to create something out of nothing. She takes time to open up socially and she knows this is a pickup so she requires you to show a little of yourself in making things happen. It’s a chance to show your social skills so embrace it. Roosh likes rambling so if you have a good ramble bring it in but crucially make it all about her. Follow the 90/10 rule that regardless of who is doing the talking, the conversation is about her. Day Bang already gives advice on how to ramble so I needn’t go into detail here and will instead discuss meta issues. Namely:
1. Hold your frame that it is perfectly normal to stop a girl on the street and talk to her. If you fully expect her to stay and talk, she will fall into your frame. This is her chance to meet you, a chance to find successful intimacy with a bold confident man. You aren’t sold, you are merely interested in what you’ve seen so far and wish to find out more. This screening frame is consistent with the 90/10 rule where you are finding out about her.
2. Use your eye contact and slow vocal tone to build the Love Bubble. After a few minutes she’ll forget where she was going. In a perfectly executed street stop a girl will lose all track of time. Her prior direction gets squashed by the direction you put on the interaction.
3. The first few minutes are light and flirty, building the vibe and injecting energy into the interaction. Once she’s giving back and opening up you can dial that down and get more real.
4. You are gradually mastering her, overwhelming her with masculine dominance, and leading her by the nose into your world. Once you are about ten minutes in and she’s passing your compliance tests, telling you about herself, and giving interest, it’s time to move for the instant date. As a rule of thumb always insta-date to the nearest suitable location within direct line of sight. Don’t worry about perfect locations, you just want to get her momentum moving with you and the first drink ordered (to thus settle into the first date style frame). I use some variations of this transition:
(Looks at watch) Look. I’m enjoying this. I’ve got a bit of time. You’ve got ten minutes, right? Cool, let’s go get a coffee over there (point to cafe).
Then start moving that way so she falls in line. If she wobbles, restate “Look, it’s ten minutes”. If she gives a real “no” then counter with “Okay, we’ll do it another day when we’ve got more time” (pull out phone, take number).
Once on the instadate, treat it like a first date but where the girl is slightly more nervous.
It’s important to understand that in day game you are encountering girls in their natural environment, their daily lives. This has an up and a downside. The main downside is the girls are not self-selecting for availability like in nightclubs. Such places act as a magnet for girls who are available and horny and thus have a far higher proportion of them than in the street. This is why the mentality of turning over stones is important, so you don’t take it personally when many of the girls have serious boyfriends and are unavailable.
The big upside is also the fact you are encountering girls in a real environment. You see them as they really are and you know what you’re getting. There’s none of the fake nightclub persona that a girl will put on (e.g. a bitch shield) or friends to deal with. There are no distractions, just the real girl being her real self in ready-made isolation. This is particularly appealing to introverts such as myself who want to communicate authentically and directly as soon as possible.
Many guys ask what is a good success ratio? Well, how long is a piece of string? If you can find girls that you really like then as a beginner you’ll be doing ok if twenty approaches nets you….
- 1 date
- 3 numbers
- 5 good conversations and 5 awkward conversations
- 10 fairly quick blowouts
But these are just numbers I pulled out of my arse because there are so many variables. If you approach girls no better-looking than you are, or conceal your intent, then you’ll get less blowouts and more flakey numbers and dates to nowhere. Conversely, if you push it hard and chase prime totty expect far more blowouts but you’ll occasionally turn up a hot date that other guys deem out of your class.
Krauser is the man to go to if you want to learn direct day game. Visit his blog or check out his model. If you think indirect game is more your style, check out my recent articles on picking up in the coffee shop or on the street.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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Whenever a girl gives good eye contact or smiles while walking by, I can see direct game being very useful for me in certain situations. Othetwise, I’d stick to elderly game.
I’m very good at approaching and getting numbers but I can’t seem to lower my flaking ratio. I seem to level off. I don’t know what of is. I just can’t seem to fix it. I’m an older chap of 42 could it be that I’m too old to adapt to these techniques?
Glad to see a post here from you Krauser, I follow your posts on your Blog. Right now my approaches linger more towards Indirect but slowly moving towatd more and more direct and seems to polarize girls one way or other……
I think the “indirect/direct” people need to talk more about the social situation one is in:
Direct game is good for…
- The beach
- The street
- A park
- A bar
- A club
Indirect game is good for…
- House parties
- Coffee shops
- Dance venues
You gotta use common sense with this shit. Will being blown out cause you to lose face in front of others? If yes, stick to indirect game. If no, ask yourself: Will being direct make me stand apart from the hordes of dudes here? If yes, then go direct.
The entire point of game is figuring out what social expectations women have in order to exploit them. Direct/indirect openers each have their respective uses with regard to this goal.
Some great points. I’m a big fan of direct day game.
The “jog” after her is an important aspect of direct day game. It subliminally flatters her. Imagine if a girl ran down the street just to talk to you. Same effect.
Both direct and indirect approaches can work and as Samseau said context plays a part. How well either works, is directly related to your current personality, IMO. Direct game requires a strong frame. Any sign of weakness/self-doubt and it won’t work. This is very difficult for most guys to pull off. The irony is, the more attractive we are to the girl the more we will doubt our ability to get her. Chemistry also is a big factor. In my experience when chemistry exist between you and t he girl direct game works better. If you don’t have much chemistry then indirect game allows you to build a facade of it.
@Kenny I wrote a post about phone numbers that you may find helpful:
roosh + krasuer = everybody wins
now to read the post
“Purity of intent”, purity of focus and self-belief”, “overwhelming her with masculine presence”,”putting yourself out there”.
I love this shit! That is my game!
I predict that in the next few years, Roosh will transition from indirect night gamer to direct day gamer. I think direct day game challenges us on a deeper level. We have to put ourselves out there without the help of alcohol, the nightclub environment, the dark lights, music, etc.
We have to impose our masculine will and frame onto the world without apology. Its the ultimate in inner game and frame control. You take on the world armed only with your masculinity. You make your frame more important then the collective frame of everyone else. YOU FRAME THE WORLD THE WAY YOU WANT TO!
I think Roosh will instinctively seek out this challenge, its the natural evolution of a seductive man. And, I think the final step in this process of raw, real, masculine power.
The one problem i have with indirect is that it allows women to waste your time.
Having seen his videos where he accosts random women and launches into lengthy conversations about anything under the sun, and easily builds rapport, I have difficulty believing that Krauser is an ‘introvert’.
I think one should try these out for sure. But where I personally have found most success is bar/night game. Have a couple drinks, loosen up, and then your natural inner state comes out automatically. You’re a better superhero version of yourself. I’m naturally cocky, smart, have a dry sense of humor and I let women know what I want. I’ve got mostly flakes and one-off dates doing day game and not much else. But that’s me. My natural friend has picked up girls every damn place possible, with little to no alcohol involved. He uses a lot of Mystery old school stuff. Hand reading, lame jokes,etc. My ego prevents me from becoming a clown and I take rejection badly. He. DOESNT CARE. So, see what works best for your look, personality and natural inner state. Good luck hunting!!
Funny, I don’t do that much daygame but when I do I have been subconsciously using the :
model fairly constantly.
I go about it in a different way than documented here but this the model I have been using.
Great article ! I’m also doing direct street game and I naturally use the same kind of process. I don’t know why I have a lot more approach anxiety when the girl walks past me and I have to turn around and jog after her. Hell I still cant do that. Its far easier for me when I see the girl walk by the street from a distance and that I go after her without we walk past each other in the first place.
The most important thing you have to subcommunicate is that you are a normal guy, not a psycho. I don’t know if its the same in uk/us but here in France the vast majority of guy who talk to girls on the street just INSULT them right away. It happends a lot. They are always at least pleased to see a normal man.
Remember that it’s often short interaction when instadate is not possible. Even if the talking has to be about her, don’t forget to throw a lot of information about yourself to reduce the flake rate. She doesn’t know who you are, if she doesn’t know your age, your job, where you live etc… If there is any missing piece of information about who the fuck you are, she will probably freaks out.
Instead of jogging into a position in front of her, I usually walk along side her and open her from the side as we are walking.
Or, I’ll follow her to a “choke point” (to borrow a term from Rooshs video) and open her as we are exiting the chokepoint together. Many times, this will be something like a red light crosswalk, or a train platform, bus stop, coffee stand, taco truck, entrance way of a busy building, etc. I try to time it so it looks totally natural and spontaneous. I’m always speeding up and slowing down my steps to time it perfectly. ha!
I don’t like the idea of jogging into a position in front of her but if Krauser recommends it then it must not be as bad as I’m thinking. I’m sure with a strong frame and smooth conversation, she will quickly forget that she ever saw you jogging.
I’m gonna experiment with stopping them in their tracks.
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I like this Nick, very good.
Only things I do differently;
Definitely not jump in front of her. I normally approach from the side and kino straight away.
Or walk with her and talk for a while (about 10 – 15 seconds), then hand on elbow and compel her to stop.
I go even more direct.
Hey can I ask you a very direct question?
I Just saw you, thought you looked great, can I ask if you have a guy?
Make some ironic reference to an abritray quality about her
Wow look at those boots
I love that skirt
In this case the sexual intent is subcommunicated because I am imagining fucking her, body language and vibe makes it very clear so the boots / skirt comment is more of a tease.
(I did this on the kiss close on the street video)
One thing I would note that I notice people doing wrong ALL THE TIME is they stand far too far away. You need to be close…A few feet. And please, don’t stand there with your legs REALLY WIDE APART. It looks ridiculous.
Bridging to a conversation
In daytime if I am collecting numbers it generally lasts between 1-3 minutes unless I take her on an instant date. So I have a very simple model:
Find out if she is single
Find out where she lives for logistics
Make some comment / compliment about her and touch her a little
Make it very very clear that I am interested in her
Go for phone number (if that’s what I am after)
No fluffing around really. If the mood is right and opportunity presents itself I will make a joke about her or some other tease / witticism but it isn’t necessary.
For phone number closes, escalation is minimal
If Not then try to fuck her, in that timeframe if
(i) I have time
(ii) I like her
(iii) Logistics are good
(iv) I am not with anyone
(iv) I feel like it.
I was surprised to read you are an introvert. After reading the “10 myths about introverts”, I got a btter picture… I’ d even say many players (myself included) are in a way introverts.
This style of Game is bread and butter Game i use on a daily basis because its potent, and it works.
Every day when i’m out and about, depending on my approach numbers and state, i’m always getting at least 5 numbers a day. It’s ridiculous how effective it is once you’ve got it down.
When you couple this with good looks and style, you’re laughing your way to the bank.
There’s absolutely no use for indirect style Game on the streets. Indirect has it’s place which i believe is most effective in social situations like the bar or places that require some form of social intelligence.
But on the streets, direct style street stops is the way to go.
Good one Krauser!!!
Great post Krauser. DIRECT game is DIVINE. But you know what? There’s something that I call ”Directer Game” Call it More Direct Game” if you mind proper grammar. Well, director game is even more insane. My openers are the most wacky that I know of.
Me: Hi…. Do you know forests?…..
Her: What?..Forests…, of course yes..
Me: ”Well…, you look amazing. I’m asking you out to a forest now. I’m hoping you and I will enjoy doing fun things there” (Remember this could mean zip lining, hiking, hunting for butterflies or entering it from behind)
Her: …”laughter”…. are you for real?”
Me: ”The smell of woods combined with that of sweat or sex is the best ever….”
Her: ……She will either be crept out and walk away or she’ll die of laughter and want to fuck you on your couch first and the forest later on.
Disclaimer: This approach not for everyone. Its rejection capacity is pretty high. But also it’s an instant sex guaranteed method. On a good Saturday, I try it on 20 girls, 10 will walk away, 5 will laugh it off, and I will bang 2. Sure deal. That’s two lays per week. 8 a month, not bad, huh?
Excellent post and great website also Krauser. I’ve been trying street game for a few weeks now with a lot of success. A few things I’ve learned that were mentioned and should be emphasized are:
-get directly in front of her and stop her (unless the location/crowd prevents it). You want to get her into your frame immediately. She’s free to walk around you or away, but most girls will stop. Don’t follow her if she walks around you. I keep the interaction going and girls will often come back to you. Don’t wait for her to reply to your comment, start making assumptions or rambling, just don’t start with routine questions.
-strong eye contact, especially in the first 30 sec. I’m finally learning this and you can let most of your intent and attraction be known through EC, and its a good indicator of her attraction too. I pick one eye and focus on it.
-If you get EC from a girl you like, pre-approach, it should be an automatic invitation to approach, but don’t just limit yourself to this. You’re the one doing the selecting here and thats the fun part, you get to choose the hottest girl thats your type to approach. I’ve finally gotten my inner game sorted to a degree where I think any girl is fair game for me to approach. Rollo Tomassi wrote a great piece on how “she’s out of my league” is a b.s. social construct.
I’ve completely stopped night game for now. The quality, quantity and results I’ve gotten from day game makes the choice obvious and there’s no competition or cockblocks.
This sounds like a guide to being a charity fundraiser.
I’ve been out and about with Nick for around 10 days in London and Croatia. He’s right, he’s a real lazy bastard these days, but he’s the best that I know at daygame.
Emphasis has to be placed on the stop, directly in front of her and strong. Weak lazy stops get you nowhere. Great article Nick.
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