Through my travels I’ve adopted a strong appreciation for American-style game—the same game that is made fun of by feminists and haters who love tearing apart its negging and peacocking attributes (two things I believe should be microscopic features of any man’s repertoire). The truth is that when done right, American game is at the top of its class. Only American men and their Western counterparts in England, Ireland, and Australia have the skill and ability to walk up to girls at any time of the day, sober or not, and start an interaction that leads to sex.
I don’t have to tell you that approaching is hard as balls. It takes years to get to an elite level and even then it’s still hard. There is a long trail of tears left by men who attempted it but simply didn’t have enough fortitude to push forward. Those same men are left participating in kickball, frisbee, and dodgeball clubs to meet unattractive women with thick ankles. For the majority of men in the world, watching a guy approach a girl cold and end up with a number or kiss might as well be magic, and I personally take it for granted that I have this ability when so many will die before even having a minor success from it.
Like any other challenging skill, the rewards are immense for those guys that learn it, but I find that only Western men are motivated enough to master approaching without the aid of a dance floor. The ultimate show of game commitment is approaching during the day, something you only see done by Western men.
From movies and television you’ll get the impression that Spanish or Italian men have the best game. I wholeheartedly disagree. They are more scared to approach, and once they finally gather the liquid courage, all they do is compliment and show needy behavior. If you grill any American girl who has had a lot of experience with them, the term “creepy” will be thrown around frequently. Only naive Western girls who swing by those countries for a short amount of time fall for their compliment & cuddle game. Hell, even I believed Spanish guys were game masters thanks to watching movies like Vicki Cristina Barcelona, but witnessing them in action has been an exercise in trying not to spit out my drink from laughter. They are not actually capable of doing the following:
How about men from other countries? Here’s a small sampling:
Brazil. These guys are top contenders for best game, but there’s a big problem: they move way too fast. They get a lot of kisses, but less bangs than those kisses would predict. Brazilian guys are samplers, not closers, but still get an honorable mention for their strong alpha game.
Iceland. The worst game I’ve ever seen in my life. The guys don’t know how to approach or have conversation. They wait for girls to approach them. Pussies.
Denmark. They have strong social circle game and their conversation skills are better than Icelandic guys, but they are too scared to approach unless drunk.
Poland. There’s a Dr. Jekyll and Hyde thing going on with them. When sober they’re pathetic betas who would pee their pants at the sight of a beautiful women, but when they drink they step up and do dance floor approaches that work for them since their women love to dance.
Ecuador. I was very impressed by Ecuadorian men. They’re salsa dancing is magical and they have a positive attitude that suck women in. They’re persistent and not afraid to approach outside of the bar. If you’re in Latin America and see a short dark guy approaching like a madman, I bet he’s from Ecuador.
Argentina. Similar to guys from Spain, but a little more aggressive. You have a few guys who are animals in the club but most depend on social circle game.
And now for Western guys:
England. Great humor and charm, but when they overdrink they turn loud and obnoxious. They cockblock themselves with their lack of alcohol control.
Australian. Also good humor with a great cocky vibe, but sometimes this borders on abrasive, which pushes girls away. They can be the most annoying of Western men.
Irish. The funniest of the bunch, but worse than the English when it comes to self-cockblocking with drink.
American. Most laid back, at the cost of being more passive, but they are best at preventing self-sabotage. Therefore they are better at sealing the deal on girls who aren’t drunk.
When it comes down to it, two guys in the world have the best game: Western guys and Latin guys. Western guys have better conversation ability and cocky humor while Latin guys have better dancing ability. Unfortunately, Latin guys have eye-rolling talking game that prevents me from crowning them with the top spot.
By saying “American” I’m including black guys, who help raise the level of American game by picking up slack of the beta white dudes who are too chicken to approach. Without black guys on our team, we would definitely be worse than the English or Australians, but their cool factor and aggressiveness puts them on the starting roster. Plenty a white man would do himself a favor by learning their fearless approach style.
If you are American, understand that your culture possesses the right mix of factors that allow you to excel in cold approaching. You’re more talkative than most other guys in the world and you have female targets that not only are talkative themselves but don’t mind being picked up by random men. For you not to take advantage of that fertile environment—to believe the Hollywood bullshit that European men are better than you—is to shit on your American heritage and waste plenty of bangs that you deserve. In other words, you are better than you think you are, and I know this because I’ve seen how godawful foreign men are when it comes to approaching and flirting.
The truth is that an American with tight game is just about impossible to compete with. He’s not a romantic and he’s not a particularly skilled dancer, but boy can he bullshit his way into a girl’s pants.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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American game may be the best in the world for American girls, but it doesn’t necessarily work great elsewhere.
Just a few days ago there was a post on your travel forum by a guy from NYC who claimed to be getting laid regularly back home, but failed in Ukraine. Yet I, who have never banged one NYC girl (they would not give me the time of day) have slept with many Ukrainians.
Brazilian guy here struggling to learn some American Game moves to increase my close rate.Spot on Roosh,I move way to fast sometimes.
Ha, K-man, I’m the guy from the forum you mention :) It’s true, my game didn’t work in Ukraine, but I really think there is a lot of evidence that it was my status as a foreigner and not my game, as I explained there. Who knows for sure. Plenty of guys in the Ukraine were serious approachers, though.
Roosh, I think you overemphasize the fear of approach. I know guys who are fearless at approaching but do so in a way that involves throwing themselves at girls, and fail again and again. They lack a kind of essential pride that makes them indifferent to social humiliation, but this same lack of pride makes them bad with girls.
In my evolution towards getting good with girls, I went through a phase where I threw pride to the winds and lost all fear of approach. It was the easiest thing in the world. But I failed again and again. I then retreated for a while into a prideful refusal to put myself out there, and I got lots of eye contact but no girls. Girls were impressed with me, but I was too proud to risk rejection.
The trick is to not be too proud to approach – in that case you will fear rejection too much – but to be proud enough to not throw yourself at girls and to conduct the interaction in a way that makes her respect you.
It’s that sweet spot that is really hard to reach and takes lots of practice. It is a very peculiar state of mind.
I agree that Western men often have the kind of balls and a kind of aggressiveness lacking in the rest of the world, which surprised me because I thought we Western men were the most femi-neutered in the world. And yet in a way we are, but we are simultaneously the most masculine.
I remember a Russian lady I met in America telling me that she thought WW2 neutered Russian men, and wondering what she could possibly mean since everything I heard led me to believe Russian men were hyper-masculine and American men were the neutered ones. But she knew much better than me, as I now see having been to Ukraine.
Do you dance with the girls in Poland? I got to know some polish girls here in Amsterdam and they all want to dance. I just say i dont dance and move the conversation forward, you?
ps; just bought your book, its great, its practicality is basically a counterpart to mystery method’s abstractness.
“By saying “American” I’m including black guys, who help raise the level of American game by picking up slack of the beta white dudes who are too chicken to approach. Without black guys on our team, we would definitely be worse than the English or Australians, but their cool factor and aggressiveness puts them on the starting roster. Plenty a white man would do himself a favor by learning their fearless approach style.”
you don’t say…. interesting
Competition breeds excellence. And in the America where the vast majority of our women are over weight there is FIERCE competition for attractive women. American men have the best game out of necessity.
Great post Roosh!
I have seen some decent aggressive Game in high-end clubs in Barcelona, better than in other parts of Spain. It did err toward the side of “drunk aggressive” though, but still, it was somewhat effective.
I have seen some decent Game from Argentines as well.
One you didn’t mention that has good Game: Mexicans.
Another that is really counter-intuitive: The French.
Those cats actually can be downright sinister.
A lot of times I think it can depend on the city, Italians in Florence seemed pretty decent on attacking the American tourist hoards that descend on their city. I think they grown up with it.
Vicky Cristina Barcelona remains one of my favorite movies and its scene one of my favorite game scenes. I don’t do mega-approaches like that yet, but I have wowed not to let any opportunities that I see daily pass by, and so far I have had some success. When my game improves (and some of my other attributes, like age and muscle), I will be the king.
p.s. totally true about Polish guys!
didn’t Mixx mention that Puerto Ricans guys have some pretty tight game?
It makes sense that the men who develop the best game will come from those countries in which the mantra of “you’re such a nice guy, just be yourself” is most severely punished: those countries in which feminism has advanced the most.
Great game is born of the trauma of realizing how wrong that mantra is.
Men with great game; a by-product of generations men being born into broken families, with little to no social supports, brainwashed into believing women are special snowflakes, and being rewarded with absolutely zero poon.
The nations with best game in their men is inversely proportional to how bad the men are treated there.
Great game is a strong indication of something being terribly wrong in that said country’s culture.
No evaluation of Canadians, Roosh?
I’m spanish and have to agree that the game displayed by the average guy here is mediocre.
Once you learn and practice game you are ahead of the 99% of men.
As many times has been said spanish girls have a self-entitled pincesses complex for the most part and are more bitchy, hence game makes a big difference here.
“England: Great humor and charm, but when they overdrink they turn loud and obnoxious. They cockblock themselves with their lack of alcohol control.”
Dude, have you been following me?
You’re right about the Irish too. My favourite stand-up comics are all Irish dudes but they drink like demons.
I believe that Americans are raised as social animals. High School is a popularity contest where you have to bust your balls or become a social outcast. There’s a lot of pressure on American kids from an early age to function socially whereas in (northern) Europe more focus is put on them to develop at their own pace.
“Competition breeds excellence. And in the America where the vast majority of our women are over weight there is FIERCE competition for attractive women. American men have the best game out of necessity.”
- Natural selection at its best. American men either develop game or are doomed to fat ball & chain.
“Great game is a strong indication of something being terribly wrong in that said country’s culture.”
- America is a country in decline. Go to any big city and you’ll see miles of ghetto wasteland and a few rich areas. Countries like China and Japan that are advancing or stable have almost zero game.
Great post but dreading the rush of angry comments from the supersensitive roissy hbd crowd that are gonna get really butthurt because you dared to say something nice about black guys oh excuse me “NAMs” lol
I laughed at the Vicky Cristina Barcelona clip you posted. Although his character might be an embellishment that makes spanish men appear far more ballsy than they actually are, the girl in that clip who resists his charm IS the typical american ‘young professional’ woman… engaged to a boring finance douche, afraid of foreign men, and turns down a free private flight to another Spanish city, when her friend (the sane one) is like, “hey, I’m down for free shit, plus he’s hot.”
I think the reason why black men have such fearless game is because of black women. I swear to god those women put up the biggest bitch shields probably the most out of any race in America period!!! I also think that rap culture has alot to do with it..the flashiness, picking up women, alpha behavior…… etc.
I fear also that Roissy’s HBD crowd will ransack this thread they tend to hate black men.
American guys approaching out in public are a common sight for those who pay attention. Still, a majority of those approaches, mainly in the moments immediately before and after the approach, are so awkward and poorly planned out logistically speaking that it’s embarrassing to watch.
One thing I’ve learned about the black chick bitch shield and the nonblack chick bitch shield is that black women really aren’t as bad as I used to think,and nonblack American women really aren’t any more easygoing, just more strategic about their bitchiness.
For example, there is this story that supposedly if you drop a frog in boiling water, it will jump right back out of the pot. However if you turn the temperature up gradually over time, the frog will not notice and stay in the pot until cooked.
I’ve come to realize that black chicks are like the pot that’s already boiling from the beginning. Their bitch shield is up super high from the beginning. The irony is, if you can power through that bitch shield they often become pussycats. That’s why you see so many black chicks with some badass dude who they let mistreat them. White American college-educated women are often like the slowly boiling pot when it comes to their bitch shields. They can start out with good behavior to make you complacent and to make you invest time, emotion and resources, and as you start feeling more committed and invested they raise the temperature on the bitch shield to the point where she’s just as bitchy and ballbusting as the stereotypical black woman and the guy is in a henpecked dynamic, except he totally didn’t see it coming.
it would be nice if you could share any conclusions about the receptivity of girls, specially towards day game.
This post reminds me of Dominican Game. Growing up in nyc I used to envy those guys and I used to think they had the best gamez hands down. Now that I know better I realize that their game only really works on Dominican women. Seeing them in action with a non Dominican latina or White chick is hilarious.
Roosh – as an asian guy, should I interpret your lack of comment on asians in general as a reflection of how asian males are seen in american culture? i.e. non existent?
Funnily enough, while I was in Europe, I had way more success without game than ever here in the US (not caring for American women probably had something to do with it tho)
The point about the English is so true. Guilty as charged.
The truth is men in most asian countries are 100% beta and have 0 game because the women are so submissive. They don’t even have to try. Compliment and cuddle with a dose of control freak is all that is necessary. And yes, I have lived in Asia.
I’ve always been interested in the differences in game between the cultures. Hit the nail on the head with the English I have to say and I’m with #27 here, guilty as charged on many occasions.
It’s only over the last year or so that I’ve started to tone down the drinking, it’s a massive self cock-block. But the culture here is to drink and drink..and then some.
That video is extremely inspiring. I’ve seen it 3 times in a row… that’s the kind of game I think that fits me.
And its nice how you mentioned brazilian guys, it seems quite accurate.
In all honest truth, you’re faulty in calling that game “The American Game”. Negging, peacocking, all invented and perfected by the venerable Mystery, a Canadian, and he perfected it in Toronto or Vancouver.
Sure, many American and British guys adopted and improved on that, but calling that The American Game is like the Romans calling the Greek Intellectualism and Religion the Roman.
Roosh,when are u going to Post more about your experience in Poland??
To attain a high mastery of game, 95% of it boils down to this: avoid oneitis & play the numbers game. The other 5% comes down to details, and it is these details that take up nearly all the majority of the time spent learning; hence, the quickly depreciating return on learning game.
Damn, I’m so going to try that “Vicki Cristina Barcelona” move! THAT is a move worth trying!
Ha, too true about English men. I don’t drink much and I can’t stand talking to drunk people when I am sober. They don’t seem to get how unattractive it is to be drunk.
This absolutely beautiful Irish man came over at the club, and he was so drunk he couldn’t focus on anything. My friend just said to me “what a shame…”. It really is.
I disagree about us not being attracted to Mediterranean man’s “game”. There is a reason why all girls swoon over them, we like that needy, romantic stuff. To be honest it’s only creepy if he’s not attractive.
I’ve never spoken to an American man before really so I can’t verify what you say. But it seems to me like you overthink too much and you analyze everything…just like your women maybe.
thats probably true about the environment. Although even asians that have made their way over to the white shores seem less game-y.
yes i got one of my only white lays when i was in europe as an asian.
and a handful of kisses.
guess that just about makes me the:
Sometimes I think black men have better game than white men. Then I see the “black dude on the street” routine where he just drops compliments to female passers-by left and right expecting to get a reaction (reaction: ignored). You know the type – “hey, beautiful dress, beautiful girl,” etc.
Then I have to wonder about the ones I see nailing fat white chicks. And I mean FAT. Which contributes to two terrible notions: 1) That it takes game to nail a fat chick, and 2) That the chick is somehow turning down other (read: white) guys to go with some black dick (i.e., that she has more options than she has).
I also see a lot of black guys getting bossed around by their bitchy girlfriends/wives.
Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of smooth black men out there. But I think the idea that they all have tight game is yet another manufactured myth from the Hollywood crap factory.
“The truth is men in most asian countries are 100% beta and have 0 game because the women are so submissive.”
You’re wrong on a number of accounts:
1. They’re worse than betas. They’re omegas.
2. “most asian countries”? What Asian country exactly doesn’t have non-betas and omegas? Personally, I haven’t seen one. Mongolia, perhaps?
3. You haven’t seen the exceptional gamers within Asia. Sure, they can’t game white women say in America and Western Europe, but they do have their own versions of game highly effective to the local girls. Go to Singapore, South Korea, Japan and some parts of Thailand and discover some.
Watch your statement. I wager it’s unlikely you’ve been to all of Central Asia, China, Northest Asia, and Southest Asia.
Your limited exposure isn’t the pan-Asian trait.
Alright, I am ambiguous about RooshD. I like what he does and write. But, I always get the feeling he is just the male answer to Paris Hilton. Flashy, no depth. Hoping I am wrong.
Don’t get me wrong, there are plenty of smooth black men out there. But I think the idea that they all have tight game is yet another manufactured myth from the Hollywood crap factory.
The words Roosh used were “cool” and “more aggressive” and “fearless approach style” not “tight game.” Also, where are all these Hollywood movies supposedly “creating” an image of black guys as having super-tight game? 95% of movies I see, the cocky white guy is the love interest of the hot lead actress, regardless of her race, and the black guy at best is a sidekick. The other 5% either star Will Smith or have an all-black cast.
“I think the reason why black men have such fearless game is because of black women. I swear to god those women put up the biggest bitch shields probably the most out of any race in America period!!! I also think that rap culture has alot to do with it..the flashiness, picking up women, alpha behavior…… etc.”
I don’t know if it’s a bigger bitch shield per se, but it’s definitely one of a different style. Black girls’ bitch shields give off a vibe like “I’m going to rake you across the face with my acrylic nails if I don’t like the way this goes” versus the white girl bitch shield that feels more like “I’m too good for you and if you don’t execute this approach impeccably I’m going to mock you to all my sorority sisters so you will have no shot with them either.”
Male game and female bitchiness is an arms race, with men trying to penetrate bitch shields and women trying to screen out all but the best men.
Game in its modern form wasn’t just invented in Canada.
It was invented in Ontario.
Because the guys there are so inherently awesome? No. Because the women have incredible attitude and leave a lot to wish for in the looks category (3s think they’re 10s from Niagara and Windsor to Ottawa).
Necessity is the mother of invention.
I should have been born in Ireland or the U.K. Most of my cock blocks are the result of drinking myself retarded haha.
Much of American Game derives from Canada. But honestly, Canada is culturally just an outskirt of America, just with less war-fervor. Mystery and Tyler Durden only come off as being from a different cultural climate when they say the word “about.”
One thing I see brightly about Americans, which I see more dimly in other groups, is an intensely self-critical perspective. I once said, “We Americans are a self-critical lot.” The person who heard that replied, “No we’re not! We’re arrogant, short-sighted cowboys!” I replied, “Thank you for proving my point.”
Oh sure, there’s a lot to detest about America. But when Americans see a fault in the country or in themselves, they internalize it and work nonstop until they’re bringing things to the table no one else is.
What about Canadians? A lot of the true breakthroughs came from Canadians and a lot of them are still at the top. Here’s a list of some of the top Canadians:
Sid: You may be right in some ways about Canada being a cultural outskirt of the USA but man running game in Toronto or Vancouver is not easy. Maybe it was just my experiences or I was in the right place at the right time but I actually found gaming in New York and Chicago easier than in Toronto. You better bring tight alpha game in Toronto or you’re going to get blown out. I haven’t got a whole lot of experience in Vancouver but check out this post by Donlak on it:
This post was incredibly inspiring.
Great post. Besides your book, what are some good resources for practicing cold approaches?
I disagree. When I go out in the US, the vast majority of guys stand around holding their drinks and are ecstatic to even get to talk to a sloppy drunk girl.
In Eastern Europe, I see guys being aggressive but charming at the same time. I just left Budapest and was actually impressed by the quality of the guys’ game there. Aggressive, yet not overbearing. Good dancers. Not sloppy drunks.
I think you have to judge this by how well game travels. 99% of American guys I know get destroyed in foreign developed countries. Whereas Italian, Spanish, Brazilian guys are able to travel and still get it done.
Tyler Durden is a fictional character from Fight Club played by Brad Pitt.
Did you mean Tucker Max? Because he’s American.
The fact remains. Men from most Asians countries have no game that translates across countries and continents… and that’s what this post is about.
Omega/Beta, whatever you want to call it. It’s semantics.
Tyler Durden is a fictional character from Fight Club played by Brad Pitt.
Your an idiot. Read The Game.
As an Asian dude the only way to go is “not-like-the-other-ones” game. I can’t even conceive what it’s like to be associated with positive traits just because you look a certain way when it comes to girls. That’d be crazy.
Interesting – I would have thought European guys would be best while American guys were near to the worst.
I clean up when I go to England (northern England, not London where there are many Americans). I am very impressed by English guys and – even though I do well there – think they are better than American men in terms of game, fashion and dancing.
But alcohol is a huge issue there. Most men and women get pissed drunk (much, much, much more so the in the U.S.). I just play the laid back, slightly amused American who is drunk yet not nearly as drunk as they are.
Pot Kettle Black.
Clarification: In europe things are good for you if you are an AMERICAN Asian. The girl I hooked up with in the UK couldn’t stop calling me a “Naughty Naughty American” — epic hotness.
Hmmm…my suspicion is what you really mean is “Most men from Asian countries have no game” or “Men from Asians countries have no game”, not “Men from most Asians countries have no game” as in there’s an Asian country that’s an exception.
I’m hard-pressed to believe that there’s some special Asian country that’s an exclusion from being a sea of omegas and a sprinkle of betas.
Semantics is vital.
“I can’t even conceive what it’s like to be associated with positive traits just because you look a certain way when it comes to girls. That’d be crazy.”
You don’t have it because you can’t conceive it, and nobody before you conceived it and implemented it.
Remy said: ” In europe things are good for you if you are an AMERICAN Asian. The girl I hooked up with in the UK couldn’t stop calling me a “Naughty Naughty American” — epic hotness.”
Agreed. I had a French girl stalk my apartment’s front door after I hooked up with her, and a Hungarian girl tell me: “I wanted to f*ck you the first time I saw you” – and then later she proceeded to ask me if I wanted to go to the bathroom in the bar we were in. we ended up doing it in public in some children’s playground at 2am. Whaaaaaaa. Unreal – and I didn’t even have game back then :)
since you left DC your energy for Game is shining thru.realize that alot of us in the US are swimming in a pool of dullness when it come to living life.Day in day out of looking at the same mofo’s at work and visiting the same clubs +bars we visit expecting a different result everytime(that are not as great every time we go to them)
That clip you posted is just like most american women who are approached.theres always going to be that”cockblocker” friend that “knows best”deep down she’s probably getting wet with the thought of it all.(of course we experienced players/gamers know this as ” last minute resistance”)+the remedy is to just Plow thru that shit.
However,I have noticed that most younger women today(21-25) show less fear when a guy approaches them.when I was younger(im late 30′s now)women would grab their purses+start to reach for their pepper spray cans/Mace if you even thought of approaching them outside of a supermarket during the daytime.
Roosh,just my 1+ a half cents here,and maybe you will do something on this but there are alot of guys on here asking about “Day game” tactics.there I feel is a good demand for it on these posts.most guys want to perfect it because as I stated earlier in this comment.”alot of us are just plain tired of meeting the same loser girls/women at these clubs and bars.)Day Game expands the possibilties in encountering women outside of the normal barhopping sluts that are not immune to daylight+normal society)
Yes,Americans do have the best Game.the reason,We are constantly working on all aspects of the ART of Game.(like one girl stated earlier on this post that Americans over analyze things) No most Americans work out the bugs in something and perfect things that we are proud of,thats all.We work on becoming number 1 at everything we do(most of us for the most part.Its the American way.)
Including Day Game.Which Ive been putting more of my time into perfecting for myself lately.Great Post.
No, you’re an idiot.
Correcting his spelling doesn’t let you off the hook, Gmac.
Game was created by Canadians. Deal, bitch.
“Irish: The funniest of the bunch, but worse than the English when it comes to self-cockblocking with drink.”
Haha ok… well I’ve yet to meet more than one Canuck with good game in person. To say game was created by Canadians is pretty bold.
I think you need to go back a few years…
The Fonz aka Henry Winkler — American
Regarding the “Asian men are betas/omegas” and suck and game comments, it’s pointless to use the same yardstick in a completely different environment. Who cares if Brazilians suck at cricket?
In Asia (at least TH/VN/SG/PI, haven’t tried elsewhere), chasing women and dating works in a different way. There’s zero point in seduction / random pick-ups just for a *bang* in these places, due to the large number of various “good time” girls (from prostitutes towards the less obvious easy girls, like Karaoke companions). Dating is only for women who are worth your time and effort.
In Thailand, most Westerners are actually milked for money and favors to no end and dragged around by their (outwardly submissive) wives, while Thai guys typically stand their own ground, see right through the bullshit, ignore it and don’t give a flying f*ck.
One of the reasons women in Asia like Western men (apart from money), is that Asian guys are rather self-centered, doing their own thing, secure in their outwardly dominant social role. Westerners pay a lot more attention and respect to the women.
This applies to upper and middle-class Asians (who have no shortage of pussy) — lower classes may be different, social divides are more stark in Asia than in the West.
Asian men are hardly a “sea of omegas and a sprinkle of betas”.
Go teach in a high school anywhere in Asia. The same social strata exists in Asian groups as anywhere else. There are alphas, lower alphas, betas, and, yes, some omegas. But its far from a sea of omegas.
I would regularly witness alpha / lower alpha high school guys openly sexing up some of the hotter girls in public and in the hallways. Its exactly_the_same as anywhere else. The only time Asians seem disproportionately beta, as a group, is when they attempt to integrate into western culture. Then, cultural differences and our inability to completely accept them leads to greater movement down the social ladder. However, in their groups, its the same. Its hilarious that you think that there is a human race that defies biology and sociology and just produces men that are, in your estimation, less than socially functional on any meaningful level(your “sea of omegas”).
If you see them as a “sea of omegas” that tells me that your talking straight shit and have never attempted to integrate yourself into an Asian culture. My opinion is that you talk shit while ironically telling people, flat out, that they are “wrong” and to “watch your statement” (douche). And who gives a fuck about whether western style game is “Canadian” or “American”. Jesus… you have a lot of time to think about utter bullshit, and you presume to come and pollute our eyes with that mental masturbation.
About “white guy vs black guy” game. The only way to get to the bottom of that is talk to women who have dated both on the regular. My suggestion is to go with the opinion of black women, as most white women I think disproportionally get more alpha black men. Hot black women will generally have a better perspective as they will get all kinds of black guys and can approach any white guy, just about, and get sex. No other demographic, perhaps besides the rare aggressive white girl, will be able to comment as well.
My impression is that white guys and black guys, as a group, are just about even. With the masses of guys who have no game, on either side, nullifying the few at the top that do. However, black guys with no game (except omegas) will generally still at least make a comment to a random girl, while white beta guys won’t. But the quality followup to the initial comment isn’t there. This is the information that I have gotten from black women. However, you also have to consider that many white women might be susceptible to an exotic (to her) and initially aggressive black man hitting on them even if his game is pretty much shit. Whereas a black woman is used to it and won’t fall for the same approach. So, white people might view a black guys game as superior while black women wouldn’t. While black women might view skilled white guy, or even AFC white guy’s game(just as white women might fall for AFC black guy game), as great because she isn’t used to it. It’s just a matter of who she is exposed to, of the other race, and what she is used to, imo. My impression is that it evens out. A lot of hot black women are as easy for me, in general, as hot white women are for some black guys.
Correcting his spelling doesn’t let you off the hook, Gmac.
Guess some dudes can’t even google “tyler durden game.”
Chuck Filipinos on d beta list of the 2nd largest asian USA population.
I had to shed most of that cultural programming to advance in my game. The culture emphasizes beta qualities to get women, which is fine if you live there, but serves no purpose internationally.
I learned most from Latinos, who have distinct notion of masculinity and I like how they are unabashed in treating women like sexual creatures. They are also aggressive but it comes off as playful but respectful.
White American style is hard to isolate, as their tribal validation already gets them halfway. The only requirement for american white guys is they just can’t be socially akward or basically just have enough self-confidence.
“bitch” wasn’t warranted. my apologies, Gmac.
“Haha ok… well I’ve yet to meet more than one Canuck with good game in person. To say game was created by Canadians is pretty bold.”
game was invented by Canadians….
Useless post. Useless comments.
its true. american girls dont know how good they have it.
Someone mentioned my country here, gotta say that you won’t get any without some amount of alpha game here. Our girls are anything but submissive or shy. In some cases you gotta be prepared to beat up some random dude and his buddies to take the girl home. Foreigners usually seem to be scared of approaching girls outside of some expat spots. I guess it’s impossible for them to emulate the specific Mongolian alphaness. But then, I also met many Mongolian women abroad who like the soft style of westerners more, or at least say they do ;)
Wow. That’s the first I’ve heard of Ulan Bator game
Visited Russia once and game there seemed ultra Alpha. I only saw 2 cities though, so I could be wrong. Any experience?
The situation is as follows : in Eastern Europe the guys who game are either full on asshole cavemen alphas or introverted hyper analyzing charmers.
But if you’re a foreigner, you have a minimum 4 point advantage (1-10 scale). That means that an American Beta who visits Bucharest now will bang girls that are at least 2-4 points higher than him.
Roosh’s assertion is correct, Americans have the best game.
One of the reasons I see is that social interaction is a must in the US and thus people practice it from early on, whereas in most European cultures, once people have their fixed circle of contacts,they usually don’t bother to make new friends anymore. That translates into “game” in a very bad way because people are lacking importants skills such as small talk, approaching foreigners etc…
“game was invented by Canadians…”
No, I just went over why that’s a crock of shit. Neil Strauss/Mystery didn’t “invent” game any more than Al Gore invented the internet. A bold statement like that should be swatted aside.
Besides, just because something is “invented” by a culture doesn’t mean they are the best.
There are still a lot of natural “ultra” alphas in Russia, but their men have definitely become more pacified since the cold war with the ongoing major socio-economical issues. I don’t think anyone is denying Putin is an alpha either.
The Game in the form as we know it, was no doubt put in the current form by Mystery, a Canadian who invented and perfected his game in Canada. It doesn’t matter if all the other Canadian guys suck at game. Give the guy the credit he deserves. Denying that is a sheer BS. This isn’t to say all Canadians are good at game, however.
The Fact is this: the Game Roosh uses, the Game as we know it in the current form, is invented by a Canadian, Mystery. Tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of PUAs worldwide benefited from it. Admit it.
The American Game, as Roosh describes in this post, is the PUA game invented by a Canadian and amped up by the Americans and the Brits. It is a PUA game, it probably is the world’s best game.
I am well aware of the social strata in Asia.
The problem is, Asia is an immensely huge continent, and trying to explain why it is necessary to break Asia down to different parts (Central Asia, China, Northeast Asia, Southeast Asia) to an average white dude whose never been to all those parts of Asia is like trying to teach a dog to talk–impossible. They’ll simply think what’s convenient for them.
Notice my earlier comment. As there’re only top 5% gamers/players in a given Western society, the same applies to a given Asian society. To say that the Asian men have zero game, at least within the Asian countries, is well, downright retarded–it’s just that it doesn’t matter much or at all within the Western context. There are a minority of Asian dudes who excel at gaming within their own society–of course not all, but the fact is they can’t export that game to other parts of the world.
In-depth analysis of the Asian social architecture isn’t something that can be readily done to an average Westerner.
Look at the bigger picture: when you put the Asians in the world’s context, the unfortunate/fortunate fact is, their standing drops dramatically.
-Japan is America’s faithful beta. Losing the war and the two a-bombs ensured that.
-China, historically, is built on a mass of subservient population serving the minority elite. (that’s same everywhere, but the obedience was even more enforced in China.)
-Southest Asian men, although I wouldn’t call them downright pussies (look at Vietnam, for example. they’ve been fighting against the imperial powers of China, France, and America for over some two millenia), you can’t realistically categorize them as ‘alphas’.
-Central Asian men, the likes of Mongolians, are aggressive and alpha, but unfortunately, they can’t provide their women adequately in this Western paradigm dominated modern world and their women have been running to foreigners–Westerners and more affluent other Asians alike.
The fact of the matter is, the Asian men who can remotely compete in the world’s dating stage remains such an astronomically tiny minority (there are few, very few), they are an anormaly, not a norm.
In the West, a guy without game is delivered the worst ends of the dating food chain, often none. That’s why a Western dude, especially in the Anglo-sphere, America and Canada of all places, gets into the game–to get some. Not quite so in Asia: that level of competition isn’t required to get some decent, feminine, accepting girls. Hands down: Game is easier in Asia because the Asian women aren’t as much hellbent as the western women on cracking the men’s nuts.
Put everything in perspective, every factor: the Asians in the world stage, the Asian sociopolitical and economic system, the extreme minority of the Asian men good at dating within their native countries and in Western world. I’m rather shocked that they aren’t too bothered by the fact that their culture is based on following and accepting, rather than leading and pioneering.
By definition, if you’re not on the top of the food chain, you’re not alpha. If you’re not immediately below alpha, then you’re omega.
It’s quite difficult to say the Asian men, in any dimension, plays an alpha game. The Asian men, especially in the West, admit that their own culture enforces beta/omega-ness (obedience, not sticking out, etc). It’s not a culture built on cut-throat competition.
My Asian omega/beta comment was placed within the context of the world stage. What you’re mentioning is purely within the Asian context.
Frankly, dissecting the Asian male game is a moot point from the Western point of view. It doesn’t help anybody, except probably very few. Not much of a relevance in the Western context.
Canadians didn’t invent game, they invented modern pickup. They took the unwritten rules of alpha males, deconstructed them using evolutionary psychology, created a language for it to make it easily teachable, then called it pickup, or alternately, “game,” the term used by the black community.
Pickup is a school of game, but it isn’t the origination of game. The term Game to describe a system used to master women long predates the pickup community. Pimps used the term “game” as early as the 1920s if not earlier. That’s why they were called “players,” because they had “game.” Read Iceberg Slim’s “Pimp” for proof. Or this article http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,876865,00.html
Iceberg Slim’s last unfinished work in fact was titled “Game for Squares.” (A square is the pimp term for a “beta.”) Hip-hop songs since the 80s also used the word “game” to describe being good with women. And the general principles about acting alpha vs. beta are the same, just the details differ.
I hadn’t considered the big contributions that Canadians have made to game, though the father of modern game was an American (Ross Jeffries). David D, a student of Jeffries, was also another big contributor.
The reason I didn’t include them in this list because I haven’t seen them much in action to generalize.
Side note: Predator in A Dead Bat In Paraguay was Canadian.
Ricky Raw, you said it better than me.
Canadians are the best at game. We invented it. Cuz were smart and shit.
I don’t think the comparison between Canadians and American game is really productive. At the end of the day there really isn’t that much that separates us and game is no different. The styles are pretty much identical. If you do well in a Canadian city like Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal you’ll be fine in the US and vice versa.
Toronto has a lot of betas, but there are some major players with huge game here. However, they are a very small percentage of the city population.
I find Arab men, especially Moroccan and Egyptian men to be very aggressive and pretty decent with picking up women. But only outside of their home country.
I think this is so true. I am so glad to see that Roosh thinks the same way I do. A lot of the pick-up and standard game evolved…and to the the most, was invented in the US!
Irish, are you joking? I live here and we are probably the most sexually frustrated society in Europe. When I and other Irish guys go to continental Europe it’s a world of difference.
Most Irish women do not do casual sex – not with Irish men for the most part at least (probably anti-inbreeding sense kicking in). This is due to the Catholic dominance of our culture which ended far more recently than in other Western countries.
PS Western normally means Europe and N. America, not just the Anglosphere.
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You left out the frogs somehow. I have to give them some points for trying; they’ll eye fuck any woman, and both times I brought a date to France, they were followed into the toilets (which kind of makes you wonder about French women: next time I go by myself, I may try following one into a toilette). Ultimately though, it’s sort of oblivious nerd game. Probably works well with oblivious nerd girls, which every Frenchwoman I’ve ever met actually was, but kind of a mixed bag elsewhere.
Spot on. The HBD losers would never admit that American black guys deserve even a little bit of credit.
Also, I am glad you pointed out that Polish men are extremely Beta except when shitfaced drunk. Our own PA is an omega who lies about having a wife and kid, even though his story cracks upon a little probing.
No wonder Eastern European women are the only white women who actively seek men from other cultures. This is for the same reason Chinese women do this. Their own men are hopelessly beta and even the average guy from another culture seems alpha to a woman subjected to a society of PAs.
Actually, Ferdinand Bardamu once wrote a big post about why Canadian men are very beta compared to American men. He had historical references going back 200 years and everything.
are you suggesting that there are differences in the conscious applications of game in different regions/countries i.e. different people internalize game in a different way? or are you comparing people that know or have made serious effort to learn game with people who haven’t? is this post comparing pre-game or no-game cultural conditioning across cultures? presumably, say, an icelandic man that makes years of effort to understand and practice game can easily outperform his anglosaxon counterpart?
Is “Western” now synonymous with “English-speaking?” How the hell are Iceland, Denmark, any Latin American countries, and anything else on that list other than maybe Poland (only because it’s part of Eastern Europe) not Western?
My friend is from thailand and that boy has absolutly no game, almost all his women lead him by the nose, but the boy gets women for two reasons. One he is good looking (his dad was French and British hIs mom is half Thai and half Chinese) he looks like a model he is like 6’2. The other reason he gets girl, is because he plays the shy role and with his rugged good looks, the girls find it very interesting and they go after him.
But I really have to say, there culture (Thai culture and most of Asian culture) is pretty passive and they really make good slaves, I was talking to his female cousin, and they have this weird thing about a young man going to the Budhist temple and shaving your head, and all this other bullshit. You donate and blah, blah, blah blah, blah. i respect there spirituality however, i have never seen my friend approach, girls would usually approach him and he was to shy to do shit or he would get hooked up thru family connections and all that tradition stuff. It’s all good, all am saying is that boy has zero game.
Also on the Canadian bit, I have to say that if your good at having game in Toronto Canada, you can game anywhere trust me, I have lived here, the states (for summer) and Montreal. Toronto, Canada is one of the most ruthless cold bitch cunt city I have ever had the displeasure to live in.
The bitches here are cold, and will refuse most dudes a simple conversation. Hello is sometimes met with a blank stare, like ”What the fuck do you want” kind of look. I have been to the states and got picked up at the mall by just standing there, that shit has never happened to me in Toronto. The bitches here act like there breath and Pussies dose not stink, and trust me like every female it sometimes dose. If you can Game here in Toronto Ontario, and you are good trust me you can game anywhere. Like my sperm donor once told me ”Rico I can get a woman anywhere” like the saying says game is game and thats real.
That’s game right there.
I don’t agree with this theory, american game might work with american women, in a less liberal country they fail a lot. I’ve been to the USA and many other places with american tourists and i’ve always found american women very open, talkative and approachable, and there’s a decent share of beautiful women also, i don’t know why you guys complaint so much.
English game is only good with english girls, which are generally VERY easy if i might add (some small talk, make them drink 3 or 4 beers, a couple of jokes then escalate and it’s done). Most anglo-saxon girls and northern european girls are much more approachable and likely to go along in a one night stand than southern and some east european women wich usually require more work, no comparison.
One thing i agree most spanish guys are quite weak they don’t know how to build rapport with a woman, i don’t have the same opinion about italians, altough i think their game is somewhat primitive when picking foreign women, they are aggressive but usually speak lousy english. In some ways their game remind me of black guys, they point in all directions and hope to get lucky but most of the time they blew it. This is not GAME, it’s russian roulette any jerk can do it.
advebture21: time & again you prove what a racist cunt you are. Gmac- you’re not too far behind with your bigoted statements regarding Asians.
This blog would be more interesting if people did NOT feel the need to make racist comments left & right
Post 79, the most accurate and reasonable post by far on this page. That book by strauss should be called game for squares. If you have to read a book on hollering at females then ur a lame and a square. Being a black male from chicago it’s laughable to think game was created in canada. I grew up picking up females just for fun, just to see who among my friends had the best mouthpiece. We didnt read a text book that gave us instruction. I feel bad for you guys and slightly sadistic towards you. I want to humiliate you because I feel you are all “omegas” anyway and subconsciously desiree that. You guys are pathetic fags judging by your posts. It offends my sensibilities actually. And for context I have traveled extensively in america, the caribbean and europe. Bill bellamy pry had more to do with influencing game than any of the lames you all have mentioned (def jams how to be a player), surely The Mack. Guys you want to really own an interaction with a female and own her mind in addition to her pussy, immerse yourself in the urban black american culture. For a white guy, not anything like easy-e or tupac or hardcore but more like Common. Listen to songs by Common on youtube to steer you in the right direction. Peace.
Strauss was also quote as saying “The point was women; the result was men. Instead of models in bikinis lounging by the Project Hollywood pool all day, we had pimply teenagers, bespectacled businessmen, tubby students, lonely millionaires, struggling actors, frustrated taxi drivers, and computer programmers – lots of computer programmers”.
ah, don’t you just love it when people write controversial topics on forums and you get a bunch of people calling you racist or sexist or just plain bigots? seriously, i hope the person who wrote this was just trolling, otherwise they are INCREDIBLY stupid.
Now, these are all facts……….
First off, do yourself a favor, come to Africa especially Sub-Saharan Africa and you will go back convinced that our game dwarfs Casanova’s. Just a few facts here:
1. 90+% of the guys here do ‘day ambush’ That’s what you guys call daygame.
2. Most African guys approach directly (you wont get any if you beat about the bush with an African empress).
3. I don’t know of anybody who needs alcohol to make an approach (attack). I’ve seen a lot of this in the west especially in Nordic countries.
4. 99% of guys don’t need clubs to get laid(it’s just way too expensive and we’re talking about guys who earn an average of 4 dollars a day here)
5. It’s basically difficult to court an average African gal, let alone have her open her thighs. (culturally, virginity is divine here)
6. Bragging about getting laid is frowned upon here. It’s only your peers who can applaud you on this. So, given this background, most guys can get some pretty much anywhere, never mind which race or country.
I do appreciate the fact that American guys have more confidence but ‘best game in the world’?, Nah.
I’ve seen enough guys from the US here in my country (Uganda) and I can assure you that the only reason most of them get laid is because the chicks are dirt poor and they badly need the money. There are also some women who just wanna give a white guy some. I’ve been to Taiwan and Philippines and Romania. Well guys from the US get laid because of similar reasons (Visa related). However, in Europe, for example in Manchester UK, I’ve seen American guys depending entirely on their game. Props for that. But is many other countries in Europe, I don’t know of any American guy (and I know many exchange students) who would pose competition to my crew. And most of the guys that I know are doing very well financially. Even considering the fact that were are broke, we do damage almost everywhere from Paris, to Oslo(Norway) to LA. The only time that I had trouble getting laid was when I was with a friend in Turkey, Ukraine (reasons are understandable) and Poland. And even then we never had trouble approaching.
Matter of fact, I was POUNCING on gals the moment I got off the plane on my very fist time in Europe. It was in Berlin. I got 7 rejects and 2 numbers before getting a taxi to my host family. (INSANE)
Currently I live in Norway (student) and I can tell you that this would be the hardest place for any black guy to get laid, especially someone like me from Africa. The people are as white as they get. The blondest hair and bluest eyes I’ve ever seen. To make matters worse, customarily, Scandinavian guys NEVER NEVER randomly approach women, let alone cold. But you know what?, African guys are getting laid like crazy. I remember this guy from Canada asking me one night how we do it. I vividly remember what told him. ”Don’t wait for night time. Go to any shopping mall, don’t mind intruding people’s space and approach like crazy. That’s what I do” He got shit in a week’s time.
PEACE, LOVE AND HAPPINESS.
African americans have the best game in the world due to transatlantic slave trade. Natural selection choose the best genes to survive such a horribe experience.
ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE!
To ya’ll who think Asian guys got no game that translates internationally – you definitely HAVE NOT been to Bali! I’ve seen the shit with my own eyes! A lot of the local dudes trying out on the clubs (especially those on Legian Road in Kuta) aren’t even close to what Western Culture will define as attractive yet they pull foreign women of varying levels of attractiveness, and even take em home (or to the girl’s hotel) for good time. If you don’t believe me, go lookup the term Kuta Cowboys on Google. You’ll see some interesting shit! PEACE!
I diasgree.I am russian guy who has been living all his adult life in Benelux countries,so I can compare.I have also traveled to USA and ribght now I live in England.
Its more complicated than this.The least approach anxiety and most balls I would say is with Russian and Ukrainian guys..Spanish and Italians have this cunning ability to get through to women.And they do approach too.
British and americans are too loud and obnoxious to pick up on small things.Brazilians are ok,but agree with you-too fast.Latins indeed rely on dancing,like robots doing the same shit again and again.
Come on man, everyone knows that no approach style in the world will work if you are short, like if you are 5’6, your doomed for life. even i you have aggressive approach style.
Again, not completely true. Anyone who’s seen the Kuta Cowboys in action will understand perfectly well what I’m saying….
And then there’s the artist formerly known as Prince. I’m sure the guy would still pull even if he wasn’t famous cuz he’s got an insane mojo!