I noticed that rich girls in South American clubs are harsher than rich girls in American clubs. One time I was in a “posh” Brazilian club with a cover band singing English songs, said something casual in English to some cute girls near by, and got flat-out dissed, even though they were singing along to the song. The bitchiness level of some well-to-do Colombian and Brazilian girls can be very surprising. I think part of it is that rich people in poor countries have a chip on their shoulder and want to prove they’re as big and bad as someone from the U.S. or Europe. They resent that they live in a developing country that many people still label “third-world.”
Easy solution: Do not step inside a club that has more than a $5 US cover. I’m rolling into clubs with $20 covers and wondering why I’m having challenging nights, but then I go into a casual bar and do great off the bat. The more expensive the South American club, the worser I do. If you balk at the cover charge then imagine what the average Brazilian or Colombian or whomever thinks about it. The only problem is that it’s tough finding those fun local bars, as guidebooks and internet sites usually spit out the expensive venues.
I think lower middle class bars and clubs are a good compromise between quality and easiness. It’s true those rich clubs have the hottest girls, but if you’re just passing by the city odds are that won’t be the source of a bang, especially without some sort of introduction or “in” to get the ball rolling. The girls there don’t give a shit you’re a gringo. Of course they’re always exceptions, but the one place your exotic gringo status is neutralized is a place where rich assholes hang out at. If the ratio of drunk guys wielding champagne bottles to hot girls exceeds 0.5, buckle down for a long night. And if you see someone with an iPhone, leave immediately.
Postscript: A Brazilian has informed me that a new iPhone costs around $1,200 in Brazil, based on today’s exchange rate.
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At least in SP, is not about price, is more about Districts. Run away from Vila Olimpia. People are boring and don’t give a s*** about anyone or anything and suits like u are saying. Vila Madalena as an example, is great to interact with people and the bars are well structure and ready to receive.
If you want more info, I sent u an email a while ago about the top places to go.
These are some pretty universal observations.
Hotter Richer girls in foreign countries will be more difficult than poor girls.
Hotter Richer girls in foreign countries will not be impressed that you are a gringo.
Of course they aren’t. Most have been to the US and met many Americans. Their countries have had tons of American idiots travel there.
What are they supposed to be impressed about?
America is not this “impressive” place anymore.
I am not sure about the “chip on their shoulder” thing.
Many times these girls come from Generations of Money, not like our nouveau riche asses in America.
I was recently I was dating a rich girl from Tijuana. Her family was a huge landowner in California back when it was called “Alta California”.
They owned that land that is modern day San Leandro, San Francisco, Orange County and parts of San Diego. That land was later granted to the US for tax purposes.
Of course she wasn’t impressed with the fact that I was American or the comparatively minimal dough I have.
I don’t think being American has ever been an advantage to me for swooping girls.
During the Bush years, it was a negative many times.
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Upper Class people in Third World countries have some of the snottiest attitudes imaginable – they are trained and educated to be this way. They are extremely sensitive about their *high* status and feel the need to protect it viciously – its a really big deal for them. Any perceived disregard to their status will be dealt with mercilessly. Anyone not immediately of their own *social class* who dares approach will be shot down harshly – you have to realize, in these countries, the classes simply dont mix. Rigid lines of separation are enforced.
They are constantly afraid that they will lose their status, and thus feel a panicky need to create barriers between themselves and the commoners. They wont socialize or interact with low class people.
They also have a lifetime of training *looking down* – with genuine scorn and contempt – on the plebians in their own societies, and this creates a sense of their own value that is completely unrealistic but monstrously arrogant.
The problem is that in these Third World countries, the really HOT girls are almost all upper class rich chics – so you have to play the game to get in with that crowd.
In SA, the whiter your skin and more caucasian your facial features, the higher your class will likely be – unfortunately, Roosh, even though you seem to love SA and have decided to live/vacation primarily there, your appearance is NOT upper class in SA, or at best it is ambiguous and without very nice clothing and obvious displays of wealth most people in SA wouldnt peg you as *upper*. You are at a distinct disadvantage socially in a society that is crazy about class and where you dont come off as having it.
Eastern Europe would be way better for you, but ironically, WESTERN EUROPE would be best – there is a serious *Latin Lover* meme floating around, for instance Scandinavia, where stunning blonde girls go nuts for dark, tall, *southern* looking guys. I have a friend who looks like you and does fantastic with Northern European chics, literally fantastic, but does absolutely dismally with girls from Brazil or SA in general. One must go where ones type has the most social cachet.
Excellent point roosh i was waiting for someone to say this. I Had never been treated so badly in a club then i was in Guayquill Equador one of the poorest cities in S.A.. I payed 20 bucks to get in and the standard question that girls asked me will dancing was what do my parents do for a living and how much they make. Having money in S.A. is entirely different then having money in the U.S. the rich stick together and need to keep up an image
Its so true. I go alot to those places in Buenos Aires and its like banging my head on a wall.
There’s something about going to a place with a bunch of hot girls you can’t have that keeps bringing me back though.
Some of the snobbiest clubs in Rio charge $100 covers. The women were wearing dresses that looked like they were about to grace the stage of the academy awards.
the worser you do, huh.
I’m trying to use worser in every post to piss off you anal retentives. Get over it.
Latin America is stratified more acutely by ethnicity than the US. In the US, a pretty blonde can be trailer trash or hail from the wealthiest WASP families along the Eastern seaboard. In Latin America that is never the case and physical (Caucasian) appearance alone can be a demonstration of status. Combine that with a very thin middle class, an impoverished majority with none of the physical attributes of the wealthy and you end up with an almost toxic sense of entitlement.
As annoying as it may be for a tourist, I somewhat see where this is coming from, and it’s not that much different here in the US once you start heading towards the posh NYC bars and clubs where if you’re not HYP, you are SOL.
There’s classism everywhere, even here in California (though it’s not as obvious as in the East Coast).
What I think if you want to bang some hot Sudamericanas who are living in the Robin Leach world is to play their game. Bust out some G Manifesto moves and swoop some hot mamas in your friends private jet. Yeah, the one who owns 90% of the vineyard property in Argentina; the one whose slightly distant family moved to Chile and owns 90% of the vineyard land over there. If that’s what they want, fuckin bust out some Malbec on their asses and swoop that shit! Yeeehaaaaw!
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I like this post. I think it’s true that if you’re visiting for a short time your best odds of a quick bang are by wowing them with your gringoness.
The exception to the cover rule would be places that have a high cover for guys and no cover for girls (I’m thinking of ladies night at Babylon in Medellin).
Hmm, $5 is like 8 reais.
For a city like Rio, your only choice would be Lapa street party.
Interesting article as always!
Jon your are right on the money!
bez…man you cracked me up! :D
Yeah I’m Filipino and it’s the same shit when it comes to my Motherland in Asia. Hot Rich Snotty Bitches act like their “The Shit” and Rich People stick only with their own kind. Firstly I blames on just stupidity of own Human Condition. Secondly, I blame those Spanish Assholes from Spain for leaving a messed up legacy of “Colonial Mentality” on my own culture and on the cultures of Latin and South America.
We Filipinos are less Latinized in our culture now
thanks to American Influences (since we used to be a Commonwealth like Puerto Rico then became Independent after the war which pretty much Americans don’t even have a clue about except historians)
To cut it short…You can BLAME ON IT SPAIN! and their elitism and their bad influence and bad legacy on My own culture and on Latin-South American Cultures. If your Spanish or Full-Blown Mestizos…Yes! Your Ancestors we’re ASSHOLES!
That is just my feelings and opinions on why you can’t get rich ass in South America besides your image that you project based on your personal grooming, hygiene, and status.
I guess you to look the part…ah forget it!
Screw the rich snotty hot bitches! Who gives a shit about them! Man, they can’t even be normal people like us! Oh yeah! because they’re Abnormally Delusional about their own status. Them and they’re stupid egos!
Its all the same when the lights go out. There are hotties and freaks in every socioeconomic class. Being hot doesn’t qualify you to be rich. And I refuse to believe that all upper class girls are complete snots. I bet there are deviants and rebels who like a little action out of their grade. That being said, they probably wont be found at the posh clubs, and I’m not saying that they aren’t rare in South America.
#3 Jon, I was thinking the same thing about Roosh’s possibilities in Western Europe. See if he can fail any worser there.
this reminds me of when i went to the grand opening of this club in San Juan. cover charge to the VIP area was $20. no brainer, right? got no where that night.
Paying for the cover at a place like that basically tells the girls there 2 things:
1. You aren’t important enough to talk to or else you wouldn’t need to pay the cover.
2. You aren’t important enough to talk to or else you wouldn’t need to pay the cover.
17: once you’re inside the club how does the girl know whether you paid the cover or not unless she came in at the same time as you??
I’m so happy the commenta are back! I almost shit in my pants when I saw this – I was addicted to comments! Listen, Roosh, don’t listen to anybody – you are THE MAN! That’s why you should allow people shit here uncensored too like in the old days, you’re above all that. Let them bang the keyboards while you are banging hot bitches and laugh at their jealousy because you are Roosh, THE MAN!
Please stop moderating the comments!
A few things…
Girls in the “high society” of third world countries are inevitably nearly impossible to pick up unless you have a connection to their social circle or are famous. They are usually not worth it as well since their materialism and sense of entitlement are higher than most American chicks’. Their hotness wears off fast if you are looking to date them.
#17 is absolutely right and the girls can tell if you paid cover, usually by just looking to see if you are with a local who they know…they all know each other anyway. High society of 3rd world and developing countries is small and the rich are very social creatures.
I am speaking from experience as I am an American living in the Philippines and dating a girl from “high society” here. I’ve asked my gf and a number of girls here how they would react to a random guy (white or otherwise) approaching them in the club here and they all react like it’s the most offensive and disgusting thing that could happen. None of them would ever entertain dating a guy outside of their social circle even though they bitch constantly about the lack of available guys there are to date.
By the way #13 is also pretty accurate in his assessment of the Spanish fucking shit up in both SA and here. The Philippines is actually a bit better due to American involvement but it’s still very rigid in the distinction between classes. Knowing how the girls are here I can imagine they are that much worse in SA.
In conclusion, game works fine on 3rd world high society girls but you need to have some kind of social proof (ie know someone within their social circle first).
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So I have a question…
How would a dark skinned black male like myself do in these south American environments? Would I have to be especially careful to make sure that I display some form of status/wealth? Would a nice car help, or should I just make sure I know people?
Its worrying because I’d like to try Brazil someday, but I know dark skin there is a sign of “lower” status.
Don’t worry about the color of your skin. At least in Brazil our racism is more “polite”… lol. Just kiddin
I’m black and I hv no problems. Okay, okay Im girl it doesn’t count. However, what u should know is that Brazilians love interracial contact. Blondies are atracted by black man and the opposite is the same. Just choose the right places to go and u are safe. If u coming to SP, I can help.
I have been to SP 3 times in the last year. I will probably go back early next year sometime and would like to make a couple more contacts as I would like to live there at least temporarily but I want to be smart about. I’ve noticed it’s quite possible to blow a lot of money really damn quick in that place.
I always wondered how Roosh fared in Brazil, if he was lying about his score here. As a Brazilian who goes exactly to those places, I have to say, Roosh, that any girl I saw kissing you or even giving you her number would be excluded from any LTR consideration by my and all the guys I know. In all Brazilian cities except Sao Paulo, the upper class in small enough for such social shaming to work wonders.
Any girl making out with a gringo below G Manifesto in the pecking order would face social shaming and deserve it
Anyway, social circle game is ba only if you lack social circle. For those who have it, it is wonderful. Lastly, for all bitter guys out there who were hurt by stunning girls unimpressed by your passports, have you ever considered that Brazilian, Colombian, Argentine guys could simply have MORE GAME?
Also, entering the realm of HBD and using Peter Frost’s books, have you gringos ever considered that women are hardwired to look for guys slightly DARKER than themselves?
Nah, gig, the girls in Brazi like the lighter skinned guys – its like that in all of S America. The Spanish overlords were – and are – quite light skinned. My dark skin roosh-like friend does miserably with Brazilian chics, wheras I do pretty good with them – and its the opposite with Northern European girls.
Girls like guys who fit some stereotype of high status or sexual potency – not necessarily both together. In SA, thats light skinned European looking guys, in Scandinavia, thats dark mediterenean types.
And everyone – as bad as it is for gringos in SA, and it isnt really that bad if your European looking and dress well, you can score with upper class chics – how bad must it be for these upper class SA guys used to using their status to get chics when they come to Europe and America an their status counts for nothing? The sudden plunge in sexual status and opportunity they experience must be dizzying, so we should all be more aware of how good we have it as gringos.
Good to see this tgopic. Was in Panama City, Panama and most of the “cool” bars you read and hear about have large covers. Most of the girls have zero interest in talking to people outside of their circle as has been said. Doesn’t matter if you look rich or not. You’re an outsider and therefore they don’t trust you and don’t want to know you. Most of the cooler/friendlier girls don’t go out to bars or the bars you know about. Rolling solo at these places it was extremely hard to have a conversation much less get any. Remeber most cultures don’t value independence (not talking about freedom)like peeps in the West. You need an introduction to get in the group, or her social circle will shit on her. They will think ur a scummy American trying to get laid and impress them with ur Gringoness. Which is usually true, but obviously the locals are scummy and trying to bang them too, but they can do a background check on them.
At least In Buenos Aires, where I´m from, upper class girls will tend to look down on you if you are a gringo, rather than “wanting to prove that you are as big and bad as someone in the U.S.”. WTF? It has nothing to do with that. It´s quite the opposite, really. They are so proud to be Argentine that they actually feel kind of sorry for you if you are not. They move within their own social circle, and are interested mostly in guys who are part of it too, so many will ignore you. Some would even be interested only in people who live in certain upper class neighborhoods… I´m not saying I´m like that, but things work that way over there. So yes, although you are likely to find the hottest girls in those pricey places, your odds of banging are so much higher at cheaper ones (eg: Sunset… I remember you liked it, right?)
SP is like NY. You have to work like a b*** to have some AND in a great job.
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I am not saying that upper class girls in SA go after black guys, just stated the obvious, that girls anywhere are hardwired for guys SLIGHTLY darker than themselves. Google Peter Frost.
And gaming girls, at least in England where I lived, is much easier than upper class Brazilian girls. My friends’ field reports from te US also reinforce thi view that American chicks are much easier than upper class Brazilians
Lastly, it is not that I dislike Roosh. It is just because if a Brazilian girl is banged by him,you have to wonder how many guys have banged er too
the dark mediterranean look is the best look a man can have. anywhere.
SP is better than NY. In variety of places, in alternatives for eating, in the beauty of women and even in house prices relative to income. NY sucks. SP is also more expensive for going out tonight. I work with people in NY, and when they visit us, usually we go for the best, like the Mercearia + Pink (or Mokai) + Forneria combo. Inever saw any of those gringos get lai, yet they always come surprised and say that nightlife in NY looks provincial compared to Sao Paulo.
Gig – there are places where the dark skinned look works well – notably Scandinavia, although even there I wouldnt say it is actually preferred. Scandinavian men are really beautiful – and northern Europe in general, but trust me, my friend, there are large parts of the world where that look doesnt work at all. Not a diss on you, just stating the truth – many countries view the dark, Medo look as slightly vulgar, uncultured, unrefined, uneducated, maybe slightly sleazy and creepy.
Its an image thing, really, some places have a positive image, at least romantically, of the dark medo look, and some parts dont. Just off the top of my head, in Israel, all of Asia, most of South America, the dark Medo look is a handicap, and in northern Europe where it is most appreciated I know lots of girls who dont go for it and have negative associations with it.
Again, not a diss on you, but we all need to recognize our limitations. Ive spent the decade of my 20s travelling and living overseas extensively, mostly in the company of a guy who is the perfect dark Medo type, and handsome too, and I have a pretty good idea of how its percieved around the world.
Sure, gaming girls in England is way easier than upper class Brazilian chics, I dont doubt that – but the really beautiful, highly sought after English chics are probably beyond your league and your friends league in the USA, I would guess.
But who knows? Maybe you yourself are a master ladies man, but most guys from classist societies – Brazil, Argentina, Asia, etc, – who grow up counting on their high status to get laid are at a severe and disorienting disadvantage when they come to a country where your personal qualities are suddenly what counts. Ive seen this first hand with guys from SA and I almost feel sorry for them. It must really suck, and I do feel for them.
Im just saying that as bad as some gringos have it in SA, upper class guys from SA have it a million times worse in the First World where your personal qualities count.
Ive been to Sao Paulo and lived in New York……its amazing how not having *social circle* game in NY can color your perspective on that city, huh? Like Ive been saying all along, to guys like you, NY must indeed *suck*.
Which is cool – everyone needs to go where things work best for them.
Peace and over and out.
“that girls anywhere are hardwired for guys SLIGHTLY darker than themselves”
So black girls like REALLY black guys? Brazilian girls like darker guys? You’re only thinking of white girls here.
yes, I am only thinking of white girls. But the point was that much of gringo failure in Latin countries happens because Nordic guys have less game (making an exception for Australians and Californians) and zero social cirlce. Blaming south american girls for that is silly.
Jon, I have never been to New York but I deal daily with people in New York for work reasons, and we receive many visitors from there whileat the same time we send people there . The field reports from both sides o this flow is unanymous: SP beats New York in nightlife, in restaurants, in hospitals, they tie in shows and SP has much more beautiful girls.
I lived in Rio for three years and in all these time the only time I saw a really hot girl with a foreigner, a girl I couldn’t take my eyes of, a girl that could be considered hot in the hotspots of hot girls in Rio, one of those girls that gave Rio its fame, guess what………….
the guy was Argentinian.
Gig, Ive lived in NY and spent lots of time in SP. I like SP and intend to visit again, its a cool place without question, but it cant really compare to a world class city like NY in terms of restaurants or nightlife. No food guide in the world ranks SP very high. As for girls, no offense, I suppose it depends more on what you like, but for beautiful white girls, NY blows SP out of the water. Brazil is a fun time, but it cant compete with NY or other First World cities when it comes to beautiful women. Even the Brazillians chics here are better than in Brazil ;)
You should come visit – and no worries, the dark Medo type is VERY appreciated here in NY.
Jon, you have managed to defend American girls prudity, NY’s economic status as a first world city and also the beauty of American girls relative to Brazilian girls
All ofthis in Roosh’s blog. You should seriously read older posts here.
Youre thinking like a Brazillian, gig – in the First World, we dont really care about the *reputation* – perhaps the *honor*? of the cities we live in. Its a mentality you might not be familiar with, and thats understandable, but were pretty individualistic in the first world. We care about our personal qualities, not the *honor* of the city we might happen to live in.
Its important to keep that in mind next time you try to construct a diss on a first worlder…..you should have made some comment on my *defending* the attractiveness of white skin to the hot young Brazillian chics in NYC. Now that would have been devastating to me.
Some girls I know from the states who live in Rio fit this description. Last night I went out with them to a night club for the first time since I´ve been in Rio. We were trying to figure out where to go (For about 2 hours after waiting 2 hours for them to get ready). I mention how I went to Baronetti and it was pretty good, but would like to check something else out. One of them says, ´Baronetti isn´t good anymore. It was good last year. Now all it is is people who try to be rich, but don´t really have any money. All the people who have money go other places.´ I knew right then, that the night was going to suck, and it did. We went to a WAY over crouded club, full of rich snoby girls and the guy to girl ratio was probably 2/1.
38, you obviously haven´t met anyone from Vegas. People I´ve met from Phili and New York also seem to be very proud of where they´re from.
you don’t care about the reputation of your city, yet you can’t but define yourself as a “first worlder”
Let Obama finish his work of debasing the dollar and let the ALT-A and Commercial realestate’
s mortgages start imploding and we will see if that first world stuff still holds…..
rest assured that the power balance on Earth shifts you will hear more and more arrogant thirdworlders like me slapping the faces of gringos
38, sorry missread your post.
Gig, youre not arrogant, youre just insecure when faced with Americans, and thats understandable.
I sincerely wish your country does achieve a level of wealth and sophistication equal to the first world, much less America – I dont think its likely to happen, but I certainly wish you all the best. I have no grudges against Brazillians and even though I prefer to live in NY, I like Brazil and Brazillians.
But there is just something unseemly about gloating over Americas possible demise and the opportunities for arrogance and slapping gringos faces this will open up to you. You didnt even wish that Brazil would rise, you gloated over Americas possible decline – this kind of thinking cannot be healthy for your mental state.
Relax, take a deep breath – and come visit NYC. I promise you youll have a great time and maybe youll feel a bit better about things.
Anyways, your comments were interesting but we should probably retire this little convo. Adios, muchacho.
Ok so this is the first time ive posted on a forum like this but I found you guys comments very interesting and funny – thanks! Having spent alot of time working/living and touring in Brazil (I play with a reasonably well known band thats had some success there) I couldnt agree more about the comments some of the snobby upperclass girls I came across. And that is not just in brazil but seems to continue even in other major world cities like london where im from. The game that works with these girls is def different than what would work with girls in a mid-priced club/bar.
High cover charges in any country will have their fair of snobby people. I remember reading a post where guys would put a craigslist ad and pay a girl to party with him for the night at a club. This is to get other womans attention. Well, it is true, women are very jealous and especially jealous of hotter and I’ve noticed taller woman….. So, if I am to conquer the snobby b-i-a-t-c-h-e-s in their clubs, I’m gonna get a hot regular girl at the beach or even an escort I don’t care, and make sure she dresses up as a regular girl and hit that club. I never did it, but this theory I am willing to try.
I am from Toronto and there are a lot of snobby people here especially in the high end clubs.. It all starts with those bouncers and the ratio of men to women is always not in our favour. Secondly, just like SP has the social classes, in Toronto we have ethnic classes… You have one nationality who thinks they are better than the other, and this vibe its a challenge. However, you gotta play their game. Become multi lingual LOL… jk… What has worked for me on vacation when I go to those 5* all inclusive resorts that I happen to buy on a last minute deal, is that I am myself but when someone who seems snobby or rich I put them in their place. I say I am this and that, and talk the talk… it s vacation you can be whoever you want. Anyhow, I am rambling, but I know where you can easily attain rich Brazilian women, and that is in hot spots like Cancun on holiday etc… they are out of their element, and you can do your work! thnx
You are right when you say that talking about America’s demise is kinda ridiculous.
You are wrong when you say “first worlders” aren’t proud of they place they come from. EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE is proud of something. Brazilians are proud of being cool (we are cool), Chinese are proud of being the future world super power, Americans of being the current supre-power and English of being a past power. French are proud of their style, Africans of their happinnes, Australians of their “roughness”, Germans of being precise, and the list goes on…
Bottomline, you are being more narrow-minded. Everybody is proud of something and ashamed of something. And for Brazilians it is SO FUCKING EASY to pick up girls outside of Brazil that we end up thinking that we kick ass. In Europe, being Brazilian helps, in Asia, being American helps. Things are always different in different places, remember that.
25 has it right.
And I would add that,
Common wisdom here is that 99% off all the good looking girls with gringos here in Brasil, are known expensive local prostitutes.
What percentage of the girl in a high caliber club would want to risk hooking up with a gringo to get that label?
Only because you wasn’t able to get on those girls pants doesn’t mean they are snobbish/bitchy.
First of all why would they be impressed with you being american? They go to the US at least once a month to shop.
Second, I bet those girls at the brazilian club were not dissing at you, they were probably just making fun of you in a healthy way like “jajaj que le pasa a este gringo (haha what’s up with this gringo)”
Third, I can clearly tell there is also “bitchy” high class girls in the US, I mean the real old money rich girls from new england, like those who attended phillips academy or le rosey at switzerland… but the everyday american doesn’t even notice because those kind of people don’t mix with the lower classes.
Fourth, old money rich people socialize exclusively with people who they know, they don’t start a conversation with a perfect stranger, that doesn’t mean they are evil, that’s just the way they are…
Well, obviously english is not my mother tongue but I hope I made my point clear.
PS: if you wanna hook up with one of those girls, I suggest you to make friends with some rich guys of that country first so they introduce you to girls later.
The only time I really only encountered really snobby old money was probably in South Rio. Everyone else I met for most part was cool in Porto Alegre/Floripa, but can’t wait to come back to BR for places like Sampa, Salvador, Natal, Curitiba, BH.