When you go to a new country with no knowledge of the local women, your instinct will be to ask a local guy in your age range. Since he’s more of an expert than you are, he must have some golden tips to help your cause, right? Unfortunately you’re wrong. The last person you should ask for pickup tips is a local guy, for two reasons:
1. A local guy picking up a girl will always be different from a foreign guy doing the same. The approach will be different, the conversation will be different, the vibe will be different, and the length of time to get her in bed will be different. His typical bang will not mirror yours.
2. Local guys love to cockblock foreign men. Let’s be real: you’re going to his country to fuck his women and he knows it. Since chances are he has much more pride for his country’s women than you do for American women, he will steer you down the wrong path and give you bullshit advice. I’ve lost count of how many times foreign guys gave me pickup advice that was the opposite of what ended up working. Was he ignorant or trying to trick me? Probably a combination of both. While an American player is more likely to believe in a model of abundance and is more willing to share game with another guy, foreign guys think that if you get laid it will come directly at his expense.
If you want to learn basic knowledge from foreign men, one way is to listen to his actual stories. Make him tell you about the last few girls he’s fucked and how it went down while ignoring his editorial comments. That may give you some useful information, but the problem with that is they lie. The most beta foreign guy will make it seem like he fucks all the time and sex is easy for him, even though his body language and lack of women or game skill suggest otherwise. Two weekends of hard work in any country will tell me more about game than any local guy can.
If you want to build a social circle, befriend local girls in the 6 range, who don’t mind welcoming foreign guys into their group (there is sure to be at least one available 7 or 8 in that crew). If a local guy wants to be your friend, I’ll bet one month of book sales he doesn’t know any cute girls who are single. Why would a local guy welcome a competitor if his social circle has hot girls he wants to fuck? I know I wouldn’t, and I’m one of the most generous guys I know.
When it’s time for you to get tips on the local women, ask men from your country who have traveled there. Avoid interactions with local guys as much as possible because they will cockblock you at some point, whether consciously or not. I’m real hesitant to mix with local guys who deep inside I know don’t want me to pillage their women. Don’t underestimate the amount of shame a local guy feels when you’re fucking his women and he’s not.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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If you have a chance to observe locals from afar like Jane Goodall you can learn a few things that way.
Yeah, the local guys don’t like the competition, especially from American guys. After all, who’s higher on the international socioeconomic totem pole than US?
I’ve heard guys worry about American guys taking all their pretty girls in Taiwan. It’s a funny, yet sweet, thing to hear… as an American.
Also the fact that you are a foreigner means you can avoid the standard social / dating / sex script that most locals operate under.
Don’t underestimate the power of this.
Deep down we’re all the same, it’s just our different cultures pile a lot of BS on top of our social interactions that are entirely superfluous.
That’s why people that don’t speak each-others language can often end up hooking up very quickly.
They don’t have to wade through the social BS and can get straight to the eye-contact, body-language and physical escalation.
One exception is Japan. It’s almost like they get off watching American men bang their women (they probably do).
From my limited experience with foreign travel, I’d agree with this. I tried discussing game with a local guy and his advice was horrible. The only good game advice I heard was from a Canadian guy who didn’t mind sharing a few tips.
Bah! And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn’t been for you meddling kids!
Men are fiercely territorial.
Good to see you back.
Definitely applies in Africa…
You: How do you pick up women here?
Them: Give them money.
You: Without giving them money?
Them: What? Only a little money…
That is pretty lame advice.
Are you an alpha or a beta?
The way you write above is very passive. Maybe its you, or maybe your target audience is beta.
A man doesn’t think and nitpick the way you do above.
What I want, I take.
At Burning Man on the other hand, picking up chicks is fun AND easy.
Well, I had the time of my life when I studied abroad in the U.S. (I’m from Europe). I will have to say though I got along pretty well with American guys… maybe Americans really aren’t proud of their women at all, even so I definitely met some real hotties!
#10 JohnG is such a stud. So cool. Tell us more!
The average dude is average and totally useless with nothing to offer. Your experiences are just leading to the revelation that most of the world is just part of a giant compost heap:
Men are basically useless unless you need non-fossil fuel power.
Women are basically useless unless you need vagina.
It is a matter of value. If I am a nuclear physicist, a kid in a college calculus class has nothing to offer me to help me in my endeavor. If I am traveling the world and picking up women, a local yokel has nothing to offer me when it comes to pickup.
What’s happening is that you are adding to your skills and experiences as a person, i.e., adding value. When you meet someone who is below your level, you start to recognize it is a waste of time to spend any part of your time on them.
14 = V.I.
Now days I normally trust guys that are like me for advice on places to pickup, i.e. black guys, etc.
Yup! Even us Indian guys are this way and our women suck…..and not in a good way either! so I can imagine the guys in countries where the women are hot. Too many emotions involved. It’s a bloody minefield.
As for #10JohnG, is that a woman, a troll or a mangina?
This is true. When abroad, I don’t remember any local dude having helped me bang a hottie… unlike some fellow foreigners.
Also, when in my hometown I’m stopped by some tourist dudes, I enjoy helping with directions such as public transport, restaurants, etc. but when they ask me where to go party, where the girls are, or where to find a meat-market type of place, I send them off to some P4P place, or (when they are drunk and obnoxious) to a gay bar. In hell I would give away the good spots, which are few enough as it is.
No, no, and no. This is the worst advice I have heard.
It is useless to think of foreign and domestic, of should I listen to him, or should I listen to that.
A man has brains and balls, and doesnt need to overthink or ask for permission.
Like any animal, women smell fear. If you are a beta, like Roosh seems to be, then you are done.
If you have that fire, and you are an alpha, you get what you want, when you want, and the betas will be the ones asking you for advice, or writing on their blogs while you get what is yours.
# 18 K-Man I have to respectfully disagree.
I’ve had tons of luck getting introduced to chicks through their male friends, particularly outside of North America. Always when I’m rolling dolo.
Some of the hottest chicks I’ve banged have been when I ran game through a lone male friend with a big group of chicks. As a matter of fact I’m batting 100% when I use this technique.
If I’m with a group of chicks and a you come up and are cool…I’d do the same.
It’s like Roosh says…most men work off of the idea that there is a shortage of ass out there. To hear a lot of people complain about how hard it is to meet people, you’d think they’re right.
Truth is, it’s easy to meet women…for anyone who has decent game. So when I meet a fellow warrior fighting it out in the trenches…I’m happy to hook him up, as long as their respectful and can chill. I think that it shows class and the players belief that the ass is in abundance.
#If a local guy wants to be your friend, I’ll bet one month of book sales he doesn’t know any cute girls who are single#
This is true and can be exploited. Playing match maker always gave me access to the girl’s social circle and instant approval and interest from many of her girlfriends. The guy side is a little bit different because I have to screen for who I want help. From my experience guys looking for long term relations are the only ones worth helping as they are the only ones who will be thankful.
I agree with this, at least my experience in Brazil, Colombia and Spain. The local guys will try like hell to cockblock. Even more so if you don’t know the language and they know it. They might try but it rarely works to their advantage.
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Talking to local guys about getting pussy in their country is like talking to a bank teller about how to rob the bank. Folks aint giving up their valuables easily. I was in a Brasilian Resturant in NYC speaking fluent portugese to the bartender and i was telling him how my brasilian girlfriend went back to Brasil. I was just asking him where some new spots were to hook up with some brasilian girls, he told me Brooklyn?? Fuckin’ brooklyn and we are in the heart of NYC?? Even in your own country you can’t ask local foreigners where the hook-ups are. I laughed at him when he told me that and said thanks, he knew exactly what i was laughing at.
Head to France, for example. The guys there are okay with you taking their girls and they’re less likely to cock-block other guys. They’ll never kill you. Besides, French girls are such maneaters and they mess around more often in relationships and marriages than guys do and people are okay with that. The guys there enjoy foreigners, especially Americans, getting with their girls, just like in Japan because they’re less possessive.
In other words, French guys are les cocus, cuckolds in French.
And the French girls are far more perverted than American girls as well.
It’s allowed in France for girls to be sexually perverted, while in the USA, it would make her a slut. France is a gender-equal, sex-happy country.
Well, anyway, of course, American and even Canadian guys (English-speaking) will cock-block other guys a lot. If you’re a gentleman to another guy’s girlfriend or wife, the boyfriend or husband will beat the shit out of you. American and Canadian guys are very territorial and possessive over their girls. So, if you foreign guys ever come to North America, never be chivalrous with married, engaged, or committed women. Their husband or boyfriend could get violent with you. Most North American guys aren’t sane when another guy is being extra friendly with their wife or girlfriend so better be careful. And, besides most North American girls are either married or in relationships because there’s more men than women in the United States and Canada.
China and India are definitely the number one worst countries in which you can get cock-blocked because there are way more men and almost no women in those countries.
Picking up girls here in America is dangerous. Most of them are married to American guys and American guys will think you’re trying to gain citizenship by stealing their girls away. Most American guys hate it when American girls date foreign guys.
God, I love this guy Roosh. I sense a kindred spirit. Reading his stuff reminds me of all the things I discovered in the early 1990s. There was no Internet in those days, so the secret knowledge of foreign women was confined to a small circle.
But he’s absolutely right: although some countries are better than others, all foreign dudes at some level will not be your total ally. In my experience, the highest level of anti-foreign cockblocking was in Korea. The least amount I experienced in Brazil. But make no mistake…success comes ONLY WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT NO ONE IS GOING TO HELP YOU. Sorry for putting that in caps, but you get the idea.