It has become clear to me that American women have lost the ability to deal with men in an adult manner, overcompensating for feelings of disappointment and rejection by lashing out like children. The best example of this phenomenon is the “Don’t text me again” message they send to guys that said or did something they didn’t like. I’ve been to over twenty countries now and America is the only one where I’ve received this message. Everywhere else in the world, girls will simply stop messaging you, but American women will regularly hit you with the toddler equivalent of “I’m not talking to you anymore!”

You sent her three messages in a row?

“Don’t text me again.”

You tried to make her jealous by commenting about going on a date with another girl?

“Don’t text me again.”

You had drunken sex with her and want to try again without all the booze?

“Don’t text me again.”

You jokingly told her not to be “flakey” after she cancelled yet another date?

“Don’t text me again.”

In America, the girl wants to let you know that you are experiencing a live rejection, even if you made a minor error. Because she is not comfortable is dealing with things that didn’t turn out in her favor, she wants to escape from any situation that may cause her to lose face or look stupid, in a way that shows she has power over you. That last part is important, because only in America does a girl want to show that you are beneath her in the game of sex where she obviously has so many suitors that she can flick you away like a little bug.

You may experience a form of their childish outburst when getting approached by a fat hog in a bar. When you make it clear, even on polite terms, that you’re not interested in a conversation with her, she will sneer at you like you just insulted her grandmother. I remember the time when a fat American girl approached me and was disappointed I didn’t engage her, responding with, “You’re not interesting. I don’t want to talk to you anymore.” She then gave a dramatic backturn and went to her friends, safe in her deluded mind that she didn’t actually get rejected. Her friends probably piled on and commented what a loser I was so she can continue living life with the thought that she’s a desirable woman who wouldn’t dare get turned down by any man.

What factors are present in the American culture that causes women to do this? Why are they quick to make another human being feel like shit? The sad part is that even some guys are doing this, too. They see that they are losing a girl and they resort to sending a “Don’t text me again” message.

The truth is if you’re sending such a message, you’ve already lost. You’re showing that you have been personally hurt, that you are a child who doesn’t know how to live in a world where it’s impossible to get everything you want. When a woman sends such a message, she shows that the culture has made her sick. Personally, I don’t know any man who wants to be with a sick woman.

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“What factors are present in the American culture that causes women to do this? Why are they quick to make another human being feel like shit?”

The superficiality of culture… where reality TV is replacing books. Where sluttery and snobbery is replacing charm and class. Where notions of a higher power and greater good is replaced by self-obsession and compulsion. The pool of good girls will unfortunately continue to decline, though many good ones are still out there.

Wow was having this covo with a friend last night! ^^ agree totally with george ^^

I approached a woman one time in a bar and merely said “hi” to her. Her response was fuck off bitch. I was flabbergasted but just walked away. If that ever happens again though, don’t know what reaction I’ll have. I might even jack someone’s jaw if pissed off enough.

Women only operate under the security net of the state and can count on the police or white knights to protect them. If that collapses or they piss off enough men who simply ignore them, they are in a boatload of trouble.

@ Jim, next time just apologise and say that you hadnt realised they were a cunt.

What pisses me off about this is, lets face it in the club, the women you approach will always have more power than you at the start of the interaction.

Lets face it we are talking to them because we want to fuck them.

But out int the real world away from the club I ask what the fuck do they have going for them.

Have they done anything of actual interest to anyone in their entire lives

In my homecity of Aberdeen, Scotland, the women have a generally unapproachable vibe to them, they tend to be fat, ( a girl is considered hot here if she isnt noticably overweight and doesnt have like a deformity) and most off all there chat is fucking terrible.

Sorry for this rant, after a month of living in my pussy paradise that was Peru, its a bitter pill to swallow coming back to this.

Id like to thank the universe for allowing such places to exist.

I hear you. It took me by such surprise that I was literally speechless. I’ve never been treated in that manner by anyone. Men certainly don’t treat other men that way because they understand consequences. Women don’t. At least not yet anyway. Their privilege buys it but how long will men continue to allow it?

Where is Roosh getting all this material about American women if he has been gone so long?!

[Roosh: Being away gives me a better view of what is really going on there.]

Rick91, second that. It’s more tolerable in the South West, but some chicks have enormous sense of self entitlement.

I sent a message to a girl on POF once, she had lingerie modelling pics in her profile. Ok body (just ok), moderate face, short red hair (suggesting she would be an easy (s)lay) – so I negged her slightly suggesting that maybe she should have a more feminine hairstyle. She replied “It’s feminine, you cunt!” – and that’s a 6!

B.t.w., pretty much all of your example texts break the guidelines you’ve established for texting. The no-joking, the jumbotron thing, etc.

“What factors are present in the American culture that causes women to do this? Why are they quick to make another human being feel like shit?”

Here’s a personal example, in case anyone is interested: at some point last year I discovered the Jersey Shore online (it hadn’t yet been on my country’s tv), and I was shocked by what I was watching and couldn’t believe my eyes.. So I watched the first couple seasons back to back I think, while I was sick in bed for 3 days because of a cold. After that I went immediately on holiday: I got in fights with my friends, I had the worst attitude I’ve ever experienced in myself, and I could feel myself being stupid, arrogant and cranky the whole time. Just by 3 days of exposure! Fortunately it passed (I hope!)..Embarassing to admit I watched this show, and I got punished for it!

I mean obviously the Jersey Shore is trash, we know that while we watch it, but I’m not sure we realize how much or in what ways it actually affects (some) people.

Ha, you think that’s bad? This weekend a woman punched me in the face with a clenched fist because I kissed her hand. She called it sexual abuse. Believe it or not.

why were you kissing her hand?

I just hope Europe will never be like that. Most girls here are still cool. I never ever got such a message from a girl. Not even when I behaved like an asshole.

Relates perfectly to GL piggy’s latest post, quoting Christopher Lasch:

“The proliferation of visual and auditory images in a “society of the spectacle,” as it has been described, encouraged a similar kind of preoccupation with the self. People responded to others as if their actions were being recorded and simultaneously transmitted to an unseen audience or stored up for close scrutiny at some later time. The prevailing social conditions thus brought out narcissistic personality traits that were present, in varying degrees, in everyone – a certain protective shallowness, a fear of binding commitments, a willingness to pull up roots whenever the need arose, a desire to keep one’s options open, a dislike of depending on anyone, an incapacity for loyalty or gratitude.”

I don’t want to sound like I’m defending American girls but as usual you should realize that the bitch shields exist for a reason.

In South America guys tend to be a lot more “beta” compared to the guys in bars in the US, but they know how to get a cue about when we want to walk away.

If a guy hits you on a bar in here won’t stop doing it until you either leave or bluntly and rudely tell them you’re not interested, in my experience, telling a guy nicely or avoiding him will only result in him gropping you, forcing himself to kiss you if he finds you coming out of the restroom or he will keep hitting on you until you act like a bitch.

In South A. A guy will realize you’re not interested pretty soon and just leave you alone.

The same goes for texting. You might have given a guy a number because you didn’t want to be impolite or changed your mind afterwards and American guys just don’t get a clue, they are terrible at reading body language or subtextual cues.

Also, I don’t mean to be too superficial, but some guys just seem to have no clue of what their league is. For every time you complain a hog hits on you, there is a pretty girl being hit on by a guy 3 or 4 points bellow her.

After a while it’s really hard to be nice and polite.

I don’t watch reality TV (or don’t watch much tv at all), I was born and raised in South America until I was 19. The only reason I had to create a bitch shield was because American guys are as clueless as American girls when it comes to flirting, courtship, body language and subtextual cues.

@Bianca

What you say about South American men is simply not true. Brazilian men are the most aggressive men on the planet and their style of game would get them arrested in the US. It is not uncommon for Brazilian guys to force themselves on girls long after they have overtly said that they aren’t interested.

You can still bang her after this message 7 out of 10 times, depending on what caused this reaction so I claim its not a bad thing, just a sign of how childish and unsuitable she is for dating.

@Bianca and Safado

Latinos are way more aggressive and insisting than american guys. The huge, big difference, yet hard to notice by westerners is the way latinos hit on women. They make women feel good while at the same time dominating them, whereas american guys are cocky and arrogant who mostly think in terms of winning for themselves. Latinos are more generous, americans are more selfish.

This makes for zero sum interaction in america, where there’s a winner and a loser. That’s why women here don’t like being picked up.

To quote the immortal Sam Kinnison ” You need to go where the food is”. Right now the food is in quieter bars that are conducive to polite conversation. Not bass booming mega clubs.

” I remember the time when a fat American girl approached me and was disappointed I didn’t engage her, responding with, “You’re not interesting. I don’t want to talk to you anymore.”

“What factors are present in the American culture that causes women to do this? Why are they quick to make another human being feel like shit?”

Fuck it…this country is Use-Less.

Guys should always keep in mind the power that they have over women in the dating and relationship context:

Men are the gatekeepers to commitment.

Never, ever forget that.

Just send her text message 3 times:

I divorce you!
I divorce you!
I divorce you!

(this is the legal requirement in Islam)

Bianca, what countries in South America are you referring to? What you said is certainly not true in Argentina or Brazil.

@muc, you hope europe will never be like that, its a pretty diverse place and iam pretty sure a lot of it is.

Colombia and Venezuela. I’ve never had to use a bitch shield to turn men advance’s down there. In the US, however, I got really tired of forced makeouts, butt gropping, approaches from guys way below my league and general insulting. It’s as if guys here are so desperate that a girl being nice to them or turning them down politely is a green light to being downright disrespecful to her.

Women have to learn to become masculinized in the US because they are not treated like a lady, even if she behaves like one.

[Roosh: I understand your point, but 'Don't Text Me Again' doesn't come at the approach. It's after some connection has been achieved. Your example doesn't concern this situation.]

Women have to learn to become masculinized in the US because they are not treated like a lady, even if she behaves like one.

But men had to learn to become assholes because women had become such bitches. So what came first the chicken or the egg?

@ 7 and Bianca

7- Neg messages online tend to be read as insults, especially if it’s about the girls appearance.

Bianca – I don’t know whos been hitting on you, but if persistence wasn’t rewarded, it wouldn’t happen. Some guys interpret that wrong and go hardcore CreepMode. If I’m chatting with a girl and we/she feel it’s not a good vibe and she politley excuses herself – I always respect that – shows class. In my experience, the most attractive girls know how to turn guys down in a polite way because they are keenly aware of their beauty.

[Roosh: I understand your point, but 'Don't Text Me Again' doesn't come at the approach. It's after some connection has been achieved. Your example doesn't concern this situation.]

Thank you. I guess I was trying to explain the reaction with a bigger picture of what happens to women when they’re not being treated as such. There is no reward for politeness or femininity.

Most American women just don’t know or don’t want to be polite or feminine because it doesn’t benefit them at all.

@dean

I have no idea. It is sad that it has come to this. I am speaking from the perspective from someone who doesn’t want to let go of her softness, cheerfulness and femininity, but has had to create a shield for those who take advantage of that.

”She then gave a dramatic backturn and went to her friends, safe in her deluded mind that…”

Women tell themselves a lot of fucking bullshit. The reason is that they cannot handle the truth.

I myself saw one of these ‘deluded fat hogs’ once. She walked around as if she was a model. It was farcical.

I know lawyers recommend explicit “do not contact me again”, over radio silence, in case it comes to a court case.

Probably just another example of how lawyeritis and legalitis have destroyed what may once have been a reasonable society.

Stuff like this doesnt happen after you get shot down so many times that your ego is smashed to bits. You know what works and what doesnt.
You will get a feel for when you’re not doing the right things. Remember all of this bitchiness can be avoided if a strong impression is made to begin with.

“What factors are present in the American culture that causes women to do this? Why are they quick to make another human being feel like shit?”

(1) Increasing narcissism in young adults
(2) Decline of traditional values,
(3) Celebrity worship,
(4) The Superficial over the truth,
(5) Decreasing empathy/femininity in women,
(6) Moral relativism,
(7) Cultural toxicity,
(8) Blind materialism (career over family),
(9) Lack of social/religious cohesion,
(10) Increasing alienation and loneliness

I agree with this article.

Roosh, i tried the “wait until the last minute to respond to a text/call attempt to cancel a date” but i couldn’t i was seething. this was the 2nd time this broad had done this. the first time, it was mutual for i had to work and go to class…i didn’t contact her againg for 2 months. she’s a bartender in my neigborhood…of course as soon as a brought another broad to said bar, she starts disrespecting the broad i’m with by asking me about us open tix (the fcuking nerve of this whore). alas, she kept suggesting the best days “for her” of course bc she works and bartends. Of her second flake and test–btw i had reservations which i had to cancel for brunch– i simply said enjoy the day for i knew i would be back at the bar in a cpl weeks. WHAT IS THEIR MALFUNCTION. this is NYC where chix outnumber dudes and damn near half the dudes are gay…WTF??!!

American mass media culture creates the perception that you have to be a celebrity to have a healthy self-esteem. Facebook especially aggravates this perception, as anyone with girls on their friend list can see when the girl gets fifty likes from every vapid instagram.

The problem is that in reality almost everyone is a nobody. In the past you didn’t have celebrity being rubbed in your face via a telecommunications device every minute of the day, so it was normal to be content with just a few close friends and family. Now real friends aren’t good enough, to feel important people have to have hundreds of facebook friends in order to give themselves the impression that they’re important.

The problem with this is that maintaining normal real life friendships requires one to not be an asshole, whereas maintaining phony internet mediated celebrity requires one to act like a histrionic reality show contestant. Unsurprisingly the result is that American women plugged into this shit start acting like nutcase drama queens, hence the fattitude, insulting behavior, and eggshell thick self esteem that requires around the clock defensiveness in order to protect.

The problem is not the women, but the men.

American men simply take women too seriously.

They actually believe that men and women are equal.

Nowhere isn Latin America, Africa, and Asia is this belief held – hence better behaved women.

How can an inferior creature respect the superior when the superior is acting inferior and treating the inferiro as its equal ??? The answer is it can’t ….. hence the american woman.

She knows she’s inferior and resents being trated as equal or superior….she’s dying to be put in her place.

Preach K!

K while agree with you whole-heartedly, the gotdamn feminist, i.e. lesbian movement seeks to castrate us and make us into cowering pussies; in addition it has given many of us (me, for ex.) pause before we say what you just intimated. the ONLY thing i would change about your comment is the “inferior v superior paradigm.” i would say rational vs. irrational? women are IRRATIONAL and unequivocally inferior when it comes to, physiological function, honesty and rationale…
I mean, is it a coincidence chix by and large don’t trust other chix even there “BFFs?”

P.S. Roosh, what do i do about this whore that bartends in my neighborhood; here’s a little item to rev you up some more…she was born in RUSSIA but she grew up in the states. hence, your tome as to women being drastically changed due to westernized culture holds o so true!

*their…i’m educated.

I learned in church that when men start acting like MEN and not males, that’s when society falls back into place.

@DAP

Think about it though, who’s really holding back from men being able to do this? Other men (i.e. the state and white knights). Women do more and more things these days that if a man did, he’d deserve at the least a good crack in the jaw. Think about how fucked up this scenario is, a guy comes back from Afghanistan to find his wife has been using his money to support her new child that he didn’t know about and her baby’s daddy. Happens more than you’d think. And there’s no real punishment for her, just him. However, you sneeze the wrong way around a woman and your job and/or freedom are in jeopardy. Now we could all be here and talk about how we’ll act in macho defiance against all this but the way I look at it, I’m only living once, don’t really care if society crumbles, and am going to look out for myself. So instead of fighting a system you’re set up to fail in, just don’t play the game. Sometimes the best action is to fold. Martyrdom isn’t an admirable trait.

But this is what the powers that be want, females in “control” economically. Why? Because they’re easier to manipulate and control themselves. I’ll try to find it, but there was this study about the make up of credit card debt in house holds. Long and short of it was that while men had some frivilous items on there statements, they had alot of home and car upkeep items and overall things that the family needed on their statements. The women, had more debt and a significant more of it was things like more cosmetics, clothes, useless things that were really only for her. As a whole (I know some women whom are very good with their money), they aren’t very good, which makes them easier to control. THey won’t use that money to create weath and expanded, it’s really just the countdown to when the give there money back to companies via consumer goods.

Part of this phenomenon can be attributed to the well hashed out idea that women are typically more myopic than men.

@NYC= dude

No offense but I think the issue might be you are a little too long-winded. I think if you listen more and talk less you might do better. A first step would be to use proper grammar and spelling on the internet. I’m not saying this to insult you, I’m saying this because it sounds like you are typing your thoughts with no reflection, written diarrhea if you will.

@20th Level

“Right now the food is in quieter bars that are conducive to polite conversation. Not bass booming mega clubs.”

I couldn’t agree more. Bass booming clubs are attracting narcissistic, empty-headed overweight chicks with too much makeup.

Girls are less likely to be in big groups in the small quiet bars, and they are likely to not have expectations about their “girls night out at the club popping buttles.”

the vast majority of girls I meet, talk to, date, and fuck, are not really worth the time and energy I put into meeting them. I deal with super bitches at the bars, like anyone. I get snubbed by girls who are not as attractive, intelligent, and accomplished as I am, on a regular basis. the numbers I get from day game are nicer, but they usually flake and start ignoring my texts within a few days. I do at least ten approaches a week, bare minimum, often several times that, even though I get sick of dealing with the same bullshit day in and day out. I do it because I want to have better game and better girls in my life, and these are the girls I have to work with, right here and right now. the one thing I wish I could change most of all is my outlook on dating and social culture here…because I think it sucks. that outlook, even though it may very well be true, makes it seem ten times harder to go out in the field and do my approaches.

Roosh,

I’m gonna be real interested to see what you have to say after spending some time back in the states

Roosh did you get this in Scandinavia too?

[Roosh: I didn't date in Scandinavia but I wouldn't suspect it happens less.]

@ doug
how’s this?

This broad flaked twice. The first instance was just a bad day for both of us; however, the second time, after her insistence on meeting up, i made brunch plans only to have her flake, yet again. Do i cancel this whore? My ego wants to but my d*ck likes her face. haha

I have never texted or told someone on the phone “Don’t contact me again.” No one has ever done that to me either. If it happened, I would have to ask myself what I had done to provoke such a strong reaction. It might not be my fault — the other person might be whacked — but I would have to seriously scrutinize my behavior before condemning hers. If it happened on a routine basis, then I would say it was a pattern that suggested I was either being a pest, “stalking” or at least being incredibly indsensitive to the cues that govern normal human interactions.

NYC dude. Come on mate. The girl flakes out twice, then tell ‘er off and move on.

You know the answer already, so why ask? Tell her off. “I don’t have time for flakes, sweetheart. You’re 10 pounds overweight, btw.”. Adios. The f*cking end.

“Women only operate under the security net of the state and can count on the police or white knights to protect them. If that collapses or they piss off enough men who simply ignore them, they are in a boatload of trouble.”

Never gonna happen. Feminism was alive and kicking in the US well before the 60′s, well before the Prohibitionistas, and well before the Suffragettes.

@ Bianca
I’m going to have to disagree with you on-” Guys hit on us so we have to gain weight and become masculine rationalization.”

When I lived in Eastern Europe, EE guys were even more aggressive than American guys and the girls way prettier and more feminine. They are thinner and prettier, but still some have bitch shields in public and at clubs. The difference is once you get in a relationship with one they are sweet, waaayyy more loyal, better at sex, can cook, and generally are just human. Once you get the girl, they understand you are the man and she is a woman and they want you to be as powerful and successful as possible and root for you.

In America, girls brought up here don’t know how to love in a way. When Roosh and others (including me) talk about how we loved our experiences with women from other cultures more we are more talking about the experience after your with the girl. The reason is they are sexier and are more feminine in personal situations and they dress way better.

I see tons of overweight sloppily dressed girls all over America. You go to Prague and girls (who live on less) dress to the nines and WANT A MAN. In the US girls are all about them being bossy and entitled to people kissing their ass.

@ BIanca
You are desirable. If you feel like you have to let go of your softness in public because America is so sick. Fine. The point is don’t let it go when your with the guy who is in your league and who you want to be with and trust me, dressing well and being good looking still earns you major points with everyone in our society-it benefits you-trust me. This is because a lot of ladies just give up and become androgynous blobs here.

I think the main thing I’m trying to say is that in Europe you can have a normal relationship, while, in the states the headgames never stop, the girl is always on guard, and loyalty is out the window. Pointless jobs have replaced men in middle America, so, girls and guys are losing their ability to form relationships.

“Most American women just don’t know or don’t want to be polite or feminine because it doesn’t benefit them at all.”

Fine. I’m taking my money away from here and never coming back because that is how American girls feel. I don’t think its true, but apparently thats how you feel. Does it benefit all those sexy, polite, feminine, girls in modeling, TV, bartenders, waitresses at nice restaurants, getting a better man, getting a job? Yes it does. The truth is America has some great girls, feminine girls. And it benefits them to be that way. They get all the spoils of lots of girls behaving like filth, too. But only a few men can have them AND the legal system is set up against men when marrying them. That’s why were getting out and being with girls who look even better, treat us better, and after you win them so to speak, the fucking games stop.

People enjoy rejecting others because they feel rejected themselves. Its their way of striving for balance.

Many American women feel rejected in the sense that their princess dreams never came true in real life, so they seek opportunities to reject and feel better.

@American Man You hit the nail on the head. I’m in Poland now and I met a girl recently who’s hotter than any girl I know in the U.S., 18 y.o., who told me how she’d love to have a family with 5 children one day. Very sweet and feminine. I can’t remember a single girl in CA that I know, under 30 even mentioning kids or family, outside of wanting a husband that’ll fulfill their “princess dreams”. Unfortunately I don’t think this “un-femininity” will change anytime soon. I’ll be spending most of the coming years in Eastern Europe.

@Bianca “Leagues” are a feminized concept used to discourage men from approaching women. Women don’t judge men by appearance as men judge women (outside of the most vapid, American women). I’m an average-looking guy but I approach any woman I think is hot, often get their numbers and date them. No woman is out of my “league” and I hope more men recognize this lie. A 9-10 who has nothing else going on for her in life or between her ears is lower value than me since I bring much more to the table, plus her looks will fade. My value is always increasing.

Jim: I prefer to see it as the amusement that it is — laughing at them within sight of their friends might not cure them of it, but it’s certainly the best medicine for me.

1942: You’re making me want to sing “Suffragette City” … wham, bam, thank ya ma’am!

That’s the new standard now, isn’t it?

This is kinda a lame post entry Roosh. Any man by now should know that all english speaking females should be avoided like the plague. But oh well…

@Therapsid.

you’re right. as kanye says F*ck your P*ssy b*tch, i’m on my own d*ck. haha

A PERFECTLY accurate observation – and I experienced it in exactly the way you describe – verbatim.

We were (living) together more than 10 years ago, and broke shortly after she met some rich banker in an online chat room and I found her email correspondence. While I was clearly the “alpha” and banged her on the first date… I made some serious beta mistakes along the way – like moving in with her. Lovely girl (and a true 9.5) but the husband is a mousey type nerdy beta — who outbid me with his +$350K a year. She moved to CA with him, married and had his baby.

Years later, I got a great job, started making bog bucks, and also moved out to LA and was living the unmarried man’s free life. She heard this through friends, and naturally wanted to meet up for a lunch. Not drinks or dinner of course, because she wanted to give the illusion that she was a devoted wife and mother. Plus it allowed her to go out while her husband was at work – so she didn’t have to explain or feel guilty about seeing an ex.

Lunch was a quick & friendly hour during a work day.

She wants to meet up again, and In her emails she continually drops the bomb “It would be nice to get away from the screaming baby”… and “I’ve been cooped up with a screaming baby, it would be nice to go out”. So I told her she should stop emailing me with resentment about her own choice. I flatly tell her I am not interested in entertaining her for those reasons.

HO BOY does this ever set her off. “I will not be speaking with you again”. All high and mighty in her tone, with a completely outrageous opinion of herself.

I reply with: “If you say so.”

… and I couldn’t stop smiling.

Bed. Made. Lie.

Women truly behave like little kids with such an off-the-chart narcisisstic view of themselves….. ANY remot hint

I meant to add how amusing it is to watch women attempt to “reject” a guy after its already clear they have been rejected themselves.

Actually, I got a text “Don’t call or write me again” from a hot 20 year old Ukrainian “good girl”. I was way, way older than her so I wasn’t that surprised.

I had something similar last week in a club.

This really trashy looking girl started dancing near me, I wasn’t interested but she kept edging for me to dance with her. I just ignored her so she starts shouting to her mate next to her about how I’m such a pussy for not approaching her.

Deluded bitches.

Wow..this sounds so much like Indian women..

Got used to so much shit..but its human nature to always have the upper hand.

dude – I have gotten this from a few girls – its all bullshit. I swear I will just text them a month or two later and they will actually respond favorably in some cases – women are like cats – sometimes they come and sometimes they dont. Its just a lob in the dark but that text really doesnt hold water – what they are saying is I want attention and I cannot communicate what I want….

“[Women used] normal to be content with just a few close friends and family. Now real friends aren’t good enough” -NYC=dude

Agree 100%, but I just want to add that men are also partly responsible for this cultural wasteland.

Men need to have leadership qualities … to stand up and say the truth regardless of ‘political correctness’, and to reject this vapid materialistic society (whether by moving out of the U.S. or other means).

“She knows she’s inferior and resents being trated as equal or superior….she’s dying to be put in her place.” -DaDeCode

Women are not inferior as human beings, and to say so is an insult to God.

Women enjoy being ‘put in their place’ because their natural place is to follow a Man. This is why many (most) women like to Submit to a powerful Man.

Men and Women both have strengths and weaknesses.

Men are generally physically stronger. Women are generally more emotionally intuitive.

Men and Women are NATURALLY UNEQUAL. This does not mean Women are inferior as human beings.

Here is the truth:

Men and Women are not equal. However, both Men and Women have inherent value as human beings before God. Their true purpose is work together with one another, raise loving families, and live fulfilling lives.

Men and Women are made to *complement* one another. This is part of the divine (natural) order of the world. Men and Women are meant to pair-bond and raise families, with the Man as the leader. Historically successful civilizations have always followed this path.

This will be controversial, but this is the truth as I understand it:

(1) Men follow God by focusing on what is most important in their lives (their life’s work), and striving for perfection. This also means being a moral voice, a leader, and carrying the light of the truth, however difficult.

Men should never make a Woman his top priority. A Man’s first responsibility is to God.

(2) Women want Men who are Alpha and follow God through their work and passions . A Woman wants to submit to a powerful Man. A Woman exchanges her ‘power’ in order to receive love.

(3) Men and Women are meant to complement one another’s strengths, to pair-bond, to maintain intimacy (sexual, emotional, and spiritual), and to ultimately raise a family, and take joy in their children.

(3.1) Men and Women complement one another materially, via division of labor and skills. The Men work and provide for their family. The Women cook for their husbands, maintain the home, nurture their children, and follow their interests in a community.

(3.2) Men and Women complement one another emotionally, via their inherent differences.

Men are meant to lead, to understand the world, to consult with his Woman about what he is thinking, to listen to her in love and trust, then to be *decisive* and chart a way through tough times.

Women are meant to support their Men, to trust his leadership, to gently voice her opinions and concerns, to point out what a Man might have not thought about, so together they are able to be a ‘team’ that can trust and rely on each other.

This is not a matter of fighting. Men and Women naturally are meant to work together. A Woman picks the best Man she can get. A Man picks the best Woman he can get. They then work together. Anything else is contrary to natural law.

The billionaire international elites have done everything they can to destroy the natural (but unequal) relationships between Men and Women.

The elites have used Feminism (and other tools like massive promiscuity and cultural narcissism) in order to destabilize marriages, to destroy families, and to ensure that Men and Women will be unable to permanently bond with anyone or to have lasting relationships (let alone able to hold a pleasant conversation with one another).

The elites know that once they have destroyed the family (the basic relationship between a Men and a Women), no one will be able to stand up for anything.

Once the family is obliterated: Culture becomes more degrading. Narcissism skyrockets. Political opposition cannot coalesce. Society descends into chaos. The birth rate plummets. The divorce rate skyrockets. The population seeks escape in entertainment. Millions of children grow up without fathers — innocent children who feel the pain of a broken family.

This is basically where we are now.

The alienated population is now ripe for totalitarianism (whatever form).

Do not play into the elites’ hands by buying into the ‘divide and conquer’ methodology of war between the genders.

Women are not ‘inferior’ — they may be weaker or more emotional, but Women are just as important in the natural order as Men.

As a Man , you must know a Woman’s purpose is to complement your strengths and weaknesses, to help build a home and a family.

You may be stronger that her, but a quality Woman will complement you and make both your lives better and more fulfilling.

For those still looking for a quality woman, go abroad if you must . But the change in your life should first come from inside yourself…

Become a leader. Follow the truth. Drop the computer games and pick up a book. Learn how to self-reflect.

Once you become a leader, learn game, become outcome-independent, a Woman will be more than happy to follow you.

After all, this is the natural way of things.

what is up with all these fucking christianity preachy posts? hey roosh, you should give these guys some nice church openers. here’s some ideas:

“so, what’s your favorite commandment?”
“let me guess…your favorite person is jesus”
“if we get married, we can have guilt-free sex!”

haha I’m seriously tempted to go test these now. seriously though, you can’t use religion to understand game. one of the reasons it was created was to control population growth, and also because the creators/enforcers of many religions lack game, so they compensate by using mind control and brainwashing to attempt to control women instead of seducing them. I’m not saying it doesn’t have any practical applications…like there are obvious differences between gaming athiests vs casual vs devout christians, vs lutherans or catholics. but devoting your life to service of an imaginary friend and repressive “morals” will only make you more clueless when it comes to the game. plus it’s a waste of life.

I said “don’t contact me again” to an ex gf about a month ago… time to rev up the asshole game on my current flings to eradicate any betaness

‘what they are saying is I want attention and I cannot communicate what I want….”

QFT

This is deep. Here’s why: If they REALLY wanted no contact with you they would avoid you in action as well as words.

Meaning they simply wouldn’t text you.
Ergo they must feel that there’s SOMETHING they need to communicate — specifically to YOU.

SOMETHING they want to communicate….

Who knows what it is?

ANOTHER (I’m high on caps day) thing is when you get a text like that you don’t know if she’s there with her bully boyfriend, or dykey friends, pressing her to text that. You don’t know the con-text.

lol, man, I haven’t heard someone try to claim that passively-aggressively not returning calls and messages was somehow more advanced and better than someone telling you to fuck off.

As another poster said, all of Roosh’s examples are things that he says (and general game theory says) not to do – I’d prefer to be told “don’t text me again” and realize I messed the shit up rather than get the usual wall of silence.

come on, what’d you do if you don’t want someone to text you again? say “don’t text me again”. ain’t rude to me, saves some time
all this here grandeur developments of Good vs. Evil, just laughing my pants off

I’m glad you wrote this post. I had a recent occurrence with this that really shook my already hanging-by-a-thread opinion of American women. I was seeing a woman late last year/early this year for what I thought was a nice, brief none too serious affair. She was going through a separation/divorce and called it off, saying it was a tough time for her etc. But it was all amicable and cool, no big deal…and we parted on very good terms – I can’t stress that enough.

I came across something that reminded me of her a few weeks ago and sent a friendly text her saying:

ME: Hey. Just saw _____, reminded me of you. How you been?

HER: Who is this?

ME: Oh it’s ____ from the city. you delete my number?

HER: Why would I keep your number?

ME: Wow…are you okay?

HER: Why would I not be okay? Do me a favor and delete my number.

ME: Already did. Had no idea you had this side to you…and it’s real shitty.

This was someone I had sex with dozens of times. We’d had a lot of fun together. Had never gotten in a fight. Nothing but positive energy except for her wanting to call it off during a rough time…and that I completely understood and took in stride. And the above is how it went. Punishment, shittiness and as you say Power Games for so much as saying hello. How do you deal with a fucking twisted mentality like this?

#63
Very accurate! This is *exactly* how things are.

But you see, its not enough when only all men will understand what you are saying. Women need to “get it” too.

The most important thing you can do to enhance your women experience and value of relationships is….
LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION!
Same as with real estate. It does not matter if your house interior is filled with luxury equipment or shitty stuff from 50yrs ago…
the price is determined mostly by location.

So… you can be a fantastic man, but if you try to mate with girls in some degenerated place (usually by media, economy, culture), you’re in deep trouble. All you will experience is pain, suffering and struggle.
Just change the location. Go to Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, Czech Rep, Spain or Argentina and your experiences will vastly improve.

Reg. #44: ” do it because I want to have better game and better girls in my life, and these are the girls I have to work with, right here and right now.”

A word of advice from an old horn dog: Although I’m impressed by your categoric and disciplined approach I also sense that you may be tripping over your own feet. Obviously the ‘game’ doesn’t make you happy. And perhaps all that energy would be better attributed to banking coin and developing your personal status.

A more general perspective:

Although I’m a fan of roosh and enjoy most of his insights I must also say that my main contention with ‘game’ and serial approaches is that it does nothing to lessen the perceived power women believe they have over men. I for one am a big follower of the Tao of Steve. No matter how good your game – there is a universal fact that if you put yourself in the position of a chase the prey will feel compelled to evade you.

I think game in the future will have to evolve to completely different level and it will not be reliant on single individuals. We as men will have begin a systematic process of de-emasculation, recapture of self dependence, and of course recapture our masculinity (for starters we should boycott any commercials that belittle men or portray them as fumbling idiots).

We has men will have to own up to our responsibility of living up to our fullest potential. And not for the sake of pumping more poon. We need to start doing what women have been doing for decades now – to put ourselves ahead of them.

Right now men with game are nothing but more sophisticated sexual predators. Now – don’t get me wrong – I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being a sexual predator – I’m one of the worst myself. But doing the same thing over and over (even in a more refined way) and expecting different results borders on insanity. We all need a different approach. We need to be more focused on ourselves, we need to be less needy, we need to care less.

As soon as women see their perceived power slip away you will experience a radical change in their behavior in a matter of one generation. Imagine if an attractive woman goes a whole week without being approached? I know that probably sounds ridiculous to you right now – doesn’t it? Well, that instinctive response is the root of our problems. I know many great looking guys back in L.A. who still have to approach and if they didn’t they wouldn’t get laid either.

The game is the game – if that is your ambition – fine. But it won’t change the big picture. We men must change the fundamental basis of how women are perceiving us right now.

Sorry for the rant – some of it was not jus in response to comment 44 – but it kind of triggered it. Intelligent responses welcome.

@51 – “In America, girls brought up here don’t know how to love in a way.”

Well, there’s the rub, ain’t it? We need to bring up our women differently – problem solved. I have said it before and I say it again: All the issues we have with Western women can be solved within one or two generations. If we stop looking up to women they will stop looking down on us.

haha i was watching this show today on H and these people bid on shipping jobs. anyway this dude got a job to deliver a giant cinderella carriage to this 250 pound bitch wearing “sexy” clothes… and she was bitching and crying and complaining and standing there the whole time while he unloaded it. he even had to walk it like a chinese rickshaw while the whale sat back there cause it was raining…

and thats the problem. american bitches are fat and think they are princesses. they offer no solutions, they just complain to us to fix it deluded into the idea that we owe it to them. the whole while thinking that they dont even have to look cute.

and whats worse? the fucking pussy apologized. he even gave the bitch a discount. these fucking pussies enable that shit. but no complaints because its these guys’ pussy behavior that enables me to get the snatch. these bitches are so entitled, but so disgusted by these dudes’ weakness, that i come along, an average looking guy that dont put up with it, and i get the snatch.

just thought id relate the story. thought it was pretty fuckin funny.

@32 asdfasdf
Excellent list!

#72

I appreciate you taking the time to give me your perspective. one of the best things I have learned how to do is to defer to the experience of men who are more experienced than myself and learn from them.

one problem I have is that I am in sort of an undesirable dating pool. I am a professional student, working on a doctorate of pharmacy program, which takes up most of my time. I am in a fairly small class size, about 60% female, but the attractive ones are all engaged or married. unlike in my undergrad days, I have no other classes with different girls to work with. I have the same girls in every single class I will ever take here. what’s more, the program is very clique-y and feels like highschool all over again. if I had any desire to be a part of that, I could get a facebook page, be all hypersocial, go to all the functions, and wait for their relationship status to change then pounce on them, but that is something I am simply not willing to do. maybe I should be less picky…but it just seems like a waste of time. either way, this means I have to go out and do approaches, since nothing is coming “in” to me.

between classes I go over to the main campus and do a few approaches on the way before settling in somewhere and studying. a lot of times it’s just talking to someone while waiting for coffee or sitting next to a cute girl and opening her. occasionally I see a cute girl as I am walking somewhere, and I will open her too if she catches my eye. this is why I am able to rack up around a dozen approaches a week without going out of my way at all. that’s pretty much the extent of my “day game” experience. this is what I enjoy the most. I don’t always get a solid prospect every day, but I am usually happy if I can simply have a conversation with a cute girl who isn’t in my program.

on friday and saturday nights, I run into the same problem as in school. since it’s a college town, everyone knows each other already. almost all my approaches at the bars in town that don’t get rejected right off the bat get cockblocked by one of the girl’s many friends, no more than two minutes into the approach. sometimes they will tell me to wait for them, but I always go out alone, so it leaves me in the weak position of standing there by myself, waiting to see if she comes back for me or not. I give her one minute before I just move on to the next approach, and leave when I’ve approached every attractive girl, either to a different bar or home. I have to do ten approaches before I go home. I’ll usually do eleven or twelve to be on the safe side. to be honest, I could probably approach more than that, but after a couple hours dealing with the same shit I get angry/frustrated and go home. maybe I’m being too much of a pussy and should do 20 or 30 approaches before I am allowed to go home. if I thought an experienced player could do better here, I’d work harder, but I never see anyone else rolling solo here.

if I want, I can go out to the mega-clubs about 45 minutes away in the city. I did that for a long time, but the quality of girls there is much lower and logistics are worse. the advantage there is I can rack up many more approaches there on a given night than I can here…my approach record there is 21 in one night. I am not sure if that experiences is really any more valuable than a dozen approaches out here though, especially since it is less likely to lead anywhere.

most of my time and energy is spent on an extremely rigorous academic program. at the end of each day, I am very drained, but I still spend my remaining free time trying to better myself in other ways. I still exercise, read, study things that are not related to my field, play guitar, etc. I consider game to be just one aspect of my personal development, but an important one. I am ruthless with my pursuit. as far as game, I don’t know what I can do differently, other than approach more and keep working on improving my skill. I certainly would appreciate suggestions and constructive criticism, if you have any for me.

OldHornDog gets it. PUA isn’t doing anything to discourage female supremacy. It’s just playing right into their hand.

You should start a blog man.

i hear ya brother, i hear ya. out in the wilderness we are, out here in the wilds

Dean – here’s what really came first.

It’s neither men acting aggressive nor women acting bitchy.

It happened earlier than that. Middle school these guys saw cute girls their age putting out to the jocks, and they learned from that. It becomes zero-sum afterwards

@asdfasdf. I agree with your comment. Blogs like these are contributing to the situation that allows the elites to take control of us. I think these guys are thinking about the short term gains of easy sex, blaming others for not finding a purpose in life, and their general feelings of displacement and alienation.

The only people I see benefitting from this situation are those who publish info products from the masses they manipulate, and the elites who benefit in the long term from the degradation caused by this divisive situation.

As for the original post, I think it’s spot on, the unbridled conceitedness of American women is truly incredible. And yes, childish is precisely how it must be described, because childishness is precisely what it is.

As for the preacher do-goods on here commenting that we just need to “teach our daughters better”, yeah, good luck with that, because it’s going to result in a big bag of nothing. I’m all for the idea that if a man starts a family today he should be head of the house etc etc, but I have no illusions that that’s somehow going to turn back decades of feminist lunacy in the western world, because it won’t. Families aren’t islands onto themselves, the overall culture of the US is far too influential to be held back by the structure of a single family.

And as for the “game plays into the hands of feminists” thing…I highly doubt it, given that game actually gives men the ability to navigate this mess we laughingly refer to as the modern dating scene. Game allows men to take control of their own lives in the circumstances we face, to lead happy lives in the here and now. The alternative is wishful thinking and denial.

@63-64 “what is up with all these fucking christianity preachy posts?”

Sounded a little islamic to me, rather than christian. Either way: why ought we to do as God tells us? I mean: he drowned the entire world in a flood – clearly he is not a good guy.