Female Empowerment Is Slavery

Here’s a bedroom conversation I had with an empowered woman…

Woman: “Do you want to get married?”

Me: “I’m not ready to get married, but I am ready to hold on—at least temporarily—to the good girls I meet. When I’m older I think I want to be with one great woman and occasionally cheat on the side to keep things fresh. This is how they do it in South America. The guy provides for the family while the wife turns a blind eye. I know you think that’s unacceptable, but I believe being able to cheat, without openly disrespecting my wife, is a way to ensure a marriage’s long-term success.”

Woman: “That’s what my grandfather did to my grandmother. She actually knew the girls he was sponsoring, but she didn’t have any options. This is why it’s better these days. Women have options.”

Me: “What do you mean by options?”

Woman: “I don’t have to be enslaved by my husband.”

Me: “So instead of being enslaved by your husband, a man who is not perfect but provides for you and loves you, you want to be enslaved by the corporation you work for? You want to depend on a company that can fire you at will, that values profits above everything else, and that would commemorate your death with a three-line email mentioning how you were a pleasant and obedient worker? How important can your job—excuse me—your career really be if they can find your replacement in the time it takes to post an ad on Craigslist? It sounds like you’re trading loyalty of the most important man in your life for a faceless entity that has little stake in your happiness as a woman. I rather depend on my spouse for bread and shelter than a board of directors who identifies me as an expendable entry on an accounting spreadsheet instead of a human being with wants and dreams.”

Woman: “But you would want your wife to stay at home and do nothing with her life?”

Me: “How long does it take to cook three healthy meals and keep the home clean? Not more than four hours. If she is awake for 16 hours a day, and spends four hours of quality time with me, that means she has eight hours to do whatever she wants, at least until the kids start rolling in. She can pursue her hobbies and passions, go to the gym, read books, and enjoy her leisure time. As long as it doesn’t come at the expense of maintaining the home, and she does her best to please me, she is free to do what she wants.”

Woman: “But I want to accomplish something. I don’t want to be just a housewife.”

Me: “Pushing papers in an office is accomplishing something? Let’s be real, no woman is going to win a Nobel Prize with her work as a human resource associate, middle manager, or government bureaucrat. If you owned your own business or ran a charity that fed starving kids, I’d agree that you were accomplishing something, but spending all your days in meetings, dealing with dumb office politics, and being a standard-issue wage slave sounds a lot less fulfilling than being able to pursue your interests while satisfying a man who takes good care of you.”

Woman: “But if I don’t have a job and my husband has an affair, I’ll be helpless. I want to have a backup plan in case he neglects me.”

Me: “So you’re going to marry someone with the expectation of failure? If you already have divorce in the back of your head before you walk down the aisle then I guarantee it won’t work. It’s having the need for options and a way out that ensures the marriage will fail. It’s only when both parties are unconditionally committed to the marriage that it has a chance of success. You don’t think the man has stake in the marriage when he knows that his wife’s survival solely depends on him? You have to have made a horrible decision to marry a man who is willing to put you on the street. In that case it’s as much your mistake as it is his failure as a husband. It’s having too many options, too many outs, that has made marriage a joke that it is today. Either you depend on each other for everything or do what everyone else does and form a business partnership that can be severed with two lawyers over afternoon coffee. It takes serious commitment and sacrifice to make it work, something that people don’t do as long as they have their call-this-law-firm-in-case-of-emergency Plan B.’”

Woman: “You want to force your wife to stay home?”

Me: “I don’t know any woman who would rather put up with rush hour traffic and a job that doesn’t move humanity forward than stay home and raise a good family. You’re telling me you rather work than be provided for and not have to worry about money? There are billions of women in the world right now who would think you’re insane for preferring to work in a padded cubicle box for forty hours a week. Unfortunately, you’ve been brainwashed to think that it’s a better idea to make shareholders rich through your labor than to dedicate yourself to family. Consider that this whole full employment movement for women is less than 100 hundred years old, a blink of the eye in the hundreds of thousands of years of human history. It’s one of the greatest tragedies committed to women of the world, and it will not be reversed.”

Woman: “You’re going to provide for a woman so that she doesn’t have to work? You can afford that?”

Me: “I will only get married if I’m able to provide for her and two future kids with solely my income. This is becoming impossible in declining societies like America and Britain, but it can be done in South America and Eastern Europe, which works out fine for me since I prefer those women anyway. They still have what it takes to be a good wife and mother.”

Woman: “I just don’t want to be bored at home.”

Me (smiling): “Don’t worry, I’ll find you some nice hobbies. Maybe you can start your own side business. In America, a lot of women get burned out with their soulless careers and become bakers or sell arts and crafts on the internet.”

Sadly, female empowerment is nothing more than a form of disempowerment. It forces women to dedicate their lives to capital, not husbands, gradually destroying society in the process. Men’s rights guys and game guys are nothing but symptoms of the disease, manifestations of a dying body.

Soon after the above conversation, she gave me a real compliment without a hint of sarcasm, the first time she had done so. She held me tighter and sweetly asked me if I wanted to see her again. While Western corruption has made women like her absolutely despise provider men, deep down they want a strong man who can take care of them and make them forget about being mere little machines in the creation of wealth for others. Thankfully, there are still women in the world who will completely and unreservedly dedicate their lives to men instead of their little office jobs.

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  • http://www.theincendiaryinsight.blogspot.com DW

    Great article, Roosh. Western women don’t realize just how foolish they’re being by giving up the life of a housewife and instead working for a corporation. Who ever did anything great by working as a cubicle drone?

  • Anonymous

    So the only jobs that are fullfilling involve ownership or charity? That is a pretty lame view. What about a nurse or doctor or teacher? I agree with the part of having a woman that supports you and your family and is devoted, helpful and affectionate is a good thing. I dont really understand how it is eaither that they are a corporate whore or stay at home.

    [Roosh: What percentage of women have a calling to contribute to society instead of picking a whatever major in psychology or communications? For most women, "opportunity" is just about making a buck for dining, shopping, smartphone unlimited data package, etc..]

  • JST

    Where were you during this dialogue?

  • JST

    And who and where is this girl from?

  • http://johnnyshornofplenty.wordpress.com/ Johnny Milfquest

    She was Polish wasn’t she?

    Roosh, do you really want to get married and have kids one day?

    Paging Susan Walsh!

  • dragnet

    This is real talk.

    The truth is that women were lied to. Women were told that work was this wonderful, amazing and fulfilling thing that men were depriving them of. Bullshit. Most jobs suck—always have—and women are now waking up to this.

    But they should have known better—the working woman is actually an invention of “the patriarchy”. Ask women 500 years what work was like and they would’ve told you how much it sucked as they toiled in fields and shit. Women have always provided substantial economic value to their families. Feminists like to act as if women didn’t do shit in the workplace before they came along, but it’s not true.

    Now these bitches are complaining about “burnout”. Guys haven’t been able to complain about “burnout” as they were expected to work themselves to death for their families. It’s not “burnout”, bitch, it’s just you beginning to figure out what it’s finally like to be a man. It’s not powerful. It’s not glamarous. It’s hard. Oftentimes it sucks. And, nope, most times you don’t even get a thank you. This is what the world of men has always been like.

    You mess with the bull and you’ll get the horns.

  • TheWiseMan

    Roosh, you made one mistake. Don’t you ever talk to a girl with logic, common sense, rational mind. Such message will always fail.
    Girls will not even understand what you were trying to say.

    Once you’ll become a bit older and will have more conversations like these, you’ll know its pointless to discuss with women. Just have fun and bang hard!

  • j d

    note that the period of women staying at home (1950s) was a very short one existing mostly for your grandparents. prior to that women were doing jobs outside the home as nurses, teachers, maids in between giving birth and caring for children.

    the idea that masses of women would just stay at home is a Western one made possible by the economic boom of the post-war period.

    this is a great article regardless.

  • kitty

    My mom is Latin and divorced her first husband for cheating on her. This was in Latin America.

    Now she’s married to my father, an Anglo American who provides for her and doesn’t cheat.

    I think you should really question the blind eye thing. That worked in Latin America 50-60 years ago, but stopped working in the 70′s, and has gradually declined over the years.

  • http://www.singlewm.com Chad Daring

    Were already doomed to this system now. Economic times have changed and the corporations hcve adjusted to.feminism. two incomes are almost mandatory now if you wish to live comfortably with a family. Now the “freedom” woman wanted has become a shackle for all of us because they skewed the system. Now perpetual bachelorhood is.the better choice in all regards.

  • A_Stranger

    More clear than water!!
    Excellent post.

  • http://taoofdirt.wordpress.com Dirt Man

    Great post Roosh

  • Ollie

    @The Wise Man

    You are absolutely right about that logic vs. emotion thing.

    So are all of Roosh’s points.

    What to do?

    I think the trick lies in creating the psychological association.

    Instead of telling a lady why he “empowerment” is a kind of slavery, you must show her.

    Images of strong willed, wildly successful career gals having the time of their lives and being the center of attention pervade our society. As we know, much like the beautiful, leather bodysuit clad femme fatale who can dispatch a platoon of marines with her bare hands, this is utter BS – a complete fabrication dumped into the collective conscious by Hollywood on a daily basis.

    Repeat the lie enough, and people start to believe it.

    To subvert the programming, one must present striking images of the world as it is. You need to place the subject into the loneliness and despair, into the feelings they want to avoid.

    Thankfully, this job is being done by the ladies themselves. Their sense of disenchantment, their solipsism, access to mainstream media outlets and desire to air their complaints has combined to create the requisite imagery. Lori Gottlieb, Kate Bollick (to a lesser extent – she’s still rationalizing), and Tracy MacMillan are but a few of the growing number of sources for the content needed to deprogram someone.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tracy-mcmillan/why-youre-not-married_b_822088.html

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/feb/06/lori-gottlieb-feminists-marriage

    All you need to do is plant the seeds of doubt, coupled with a few heart-rending anecdotes about ladies who died miserable and alone atop piles of shiny baubles.

    Some of whom ended it themselves, a la Rachel Wetzsteon:
    http://eumaios.wordpress.com/2010/01/04/the-solitary-yet-defiant-lives-of-single-women/

    They’ve all seen Gone With the Wind. Remind them of the scene at the end, where Rhett Buttler “frankly doesn’t give a damn”.

    Let them know that you may not either.

  • Tajik

    FIXED:

    Female Empowerment is — Male Slavery (or mangina-enforced female supremacy)

  • Anonymous

    Come on…

    You’re saying that a woman is enslaved because she’s dependent on the whims of a corporation rather than a man who provides for her. Yet all the while, that man’s ability to provide is dependent… on the whims of a corporation.

    Is this a joke?

    Women, more so than men, want security.

    Many men aren’t willing to provide for a woman ’til death do them part. Many men won’t be able hold up their end of the bargain. There’s no doubting that anyone, man or woman, has more security than when they have the ability to generate their own income.

    Contrary to the notion that female empowerment is slavery, options are power and there is no doubt that women have many options today. If she’s pretty but dumb, she can find a provider and be a homemaker. If she’s homely but capable, she can provide for herself. If she’s pretty and capable, she can do whatever she wants. Whether having more options is good for “society” or nets the average woman more happiness may be up for debate. There’s little doubt, however, that female empowerment has given more women access to achieve security.

  • ersatz

    Going into a marriage without thinking how it could fail and having a plan to deal with it is like driving a motorbike without a helmet and armor, or a car without a seat belt, air bags and ABS breaks and staying safe by ‘never getting in an accident’. It’s just stupid and naive and does not provide any benefits.

    I feel like the modern divorce court and child support system is what causes a lot of human misery when people do divorce, basically incentivizing women to burn bridges in order to get more money instead of reconciliation and having the family stay together.

  • rationalist

    this post seems a little extreme to me. whilst I think that a woman pursuing a family AND and high-powered career as a lawyer or doctor is silly, I also think it is silly to recommend that women should depend on hubby entirely. what about her having a part-time job? or a job which is low stress with long breaks (like being a teacher at a private school).

    I mean I want a feminine woman as a wife, and I want her to not be stressed and overworked, so yes I agree that manly careers are bad, but I also don’t want to marry a glorified house pet.

  • Basil Ransom

    j d
    note that the period of women staying at home (1950s) was a very short one existing mostly for your grandparents. prior to that women were doing jobs outside the home as nurses, teachers, maids in between giving birth and caring for children.

    the idea that masses of women would just stay at home is a Western one made possible by the economic boom of the post-war period.

    This is complete bullshit. The participation of married women in the workforce, in employment outside the home, increased every decade for over 100 years. It was 2.2% for married white women in 1890, 20.7% in 1950, 29.8% in 1960, and 61% today. The Fifties wasn’t a golden age, but the bookend of an era.

    http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/GenderGap.html

    Going into a marriage without thinking how it could fail and having a plan to deal with it
    Roosh meant the mentality that “if the marriage isn’t perfect, if I’m not *happy*, then it’s okay if I leave.” Expecting and enabling failure as an exit strategy is different from creating an exit strategy in the event of failure. I don’t expect that women can maintain this distinction emotionally either.

    Plus, Roosh makes marriage sound worse than it is. Roosh is not most men; most American neither plan nor actually do have a serial stream of affairs like Roosh would.

  • Anon

    Capitalism is a disease that destroys everything it touches.

    Throughout history, men provided for their families via agriculture or skilled trade passed from father to son. Capitalism came and promised easy money and an easier life. Instead, men gave up their skills and became subservient to corporations and loss whatever security they had. Capitalism destroyed men.

    So women had to go to work outside the home. Capitalism came to women and promised security and independence. Instead, women gave up the home, neglected their children and spouses and became subservient to corporations. Capitalism destroyed the family.

  • http://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com spandrell

    Damn right you are. Don´t get married if you can´t afford for your wife to stay home and serve you. Why should she respect you if you force her to drive every morning to some goddamn office where horny betas will flirt with her, where she spends her time in doing some liberal shit for some corporation.

    Just earn enough for her to eat and buy some nice clothes, it aint that hard.

  • Black Rebel

    ‘Being a woman is so hard, staying home, spending someone’s money and raising kids (note: it’s really not). All men have to do is go work at jobs where they’re paid based on their performances and how much they work, and they can come home to a nice meal and a clean house, they have it so much easier (note: we do not). I should just become a man!’

    What’s the opposite of self-awareness?

  • Jevioso

    @Anon

    Before capitalism, farmers didn’t own the land they produced on. Before capitalism, there was no such thing as property rights; what you owned was assigned to you by the monarchy and could be taken by force anytime they felt like it.

    Like many people today, you’ve managed to mix-up corporatism and capitalism. Unlike capitalism, where markets are free, and whoever offers the best goods at the cheapest prices is king; corporatism favors whoever has the most money and influence over governments.

    That all being said, capitalism didn’t destroy the family, corporations did. Corporations funded the feminist movement, and corporations fund them till this day. To go further, was it not beta male politicians who passed legislation that destroyed the family? Was it not legislators who gave “incentives” (or preferably subsidies) to corporation that gave money to them if they hired women over men (white women have gained more than any other group from Affirmative Action, even though black people are the ones mostly stereotyped by it)?

    Be careful, when you criticize capitalism; a system that is totally dependent on freedom and rewards hard-work, intuition and efficiency. If there is any hope for men in our day and age, it is in capitalism. Capitalism was what our forefathers believed in, it was the conclusion of the best ideas of the enlightenment era, which helped bring Europe out of the Dark Ages. It is the greatest invention of mankind, and is the best way of fighting corruption that runs rampant today. To denounce capitalism, is to denounce freedom and embrace slavery, which is what too many women have embraced as Roosh alluded to in this article.

  • Anonymous

    @15, female empowerment, with attendant free falling birthrates, has given females increased security the same way socialism have given all people more security: By building a system of forced wealth extraction from those who do, to those who don’t.

    As long as a ponzi scheme of ever increasing debt camouflages the deleterious effects this has on the doers, things can hold together. But once the Ponzi’s up, so is doer’s willingness to work more than for what they get to keep.

    Historically, men has not needed to be pointed a gun at by the tax man to provide for the good, virtous women bearing their children. And neither have children needed armed thugs in government costumes to force them to care for their mothers in old age. But what man with options wold ever want to work to provide for some feminist whore? And since she has no kids, who will bother caring for her in old age? Hence, her only out is “the government”, i.e. a thug band enslaving others to work for her in exchange for her vote.

    Problem is, slaves aren’t particularly productive workers. And hence, a society of slaves pitted against a society of volunteers in a battle for limited resources, will see the society organized to encourage voluntarism win every time. Which is exacatly why feminist Europe is become Islamist Europe as we speak, and the Americas, unless we drastically change our ways, are not far behind.

  • International Banker

    This is unacceptable. We need both men and women working overtime for low wages and paying high taxes. Who else would pay off the interest on the fiat money debt that the government has accumulated from our private central banks? Who else would pay for the imperialist wars abroad that were never meant to be won but to generate revenue for as long as possible? Who would fund the surveillance state that is so necessary to keep all you silly lowlifes in check? And how are you gonna fund all the flashy electronic gadgets and mindless fashion fads that our want creation departments have made your mouth salivate over? Come on, you are our slaves and you always will be!

  • (R)evoluzione

    @Jevioso,

    Great comment.

    The world won’t improve for shit until we either get rid of corporatism (also called fascism in earlier dictionaries–they’re synonymous), or until it falls on its own. The former is not likely, since it’s so well-entrenched. The latter is bound to happen as the house of cards gets more and more unstable due to resource depletion and social instability. Both are happening. We’re gonna see some shit go down in our lifetimes. Occupy Everything is merely the beginning.

  • whatmeworry

    Give me a woman with an MRS degree that’s smart enough to talk to, cooks so well I have to fight to keep slim, raises kids to be better than me, and sexes me up like a babylonian whore and I’ll storm the walls of Troy for her.

    No?

    Pumping and dumping liberated sluts is fine too.

  • speakeasy

    Career driven woman = pant suits and short, boyish haircuts.

  • Steve

    Roosh this is one of your best posts in a while and yet another reason women should accept their natural role.

  • CC

    Roosh, quit supporting the entitlement bitch regime god damn it. That’s what happens when you don’t make a woman work and provide for her.

  • Latvian woman racist

    This is a dead end for you. You are too spoiled to have normal relationships with each other. Your utter selfishness has made you undesirable (and useless) to each other.

  • Doc

    Excellent article Roosh. As I’ve gotten older, and the women I’ve dated have stayed in that early 20′s sweet spot, I’ve actually found that more women today actually want what their grand-mother’s had. Probably because it is a dream that they will never be able to attain. Women always want what they don’t have – it doesn’t matter what it is, they want whatever they see as a better option – till they live it, then they want what they gave up – of course, it’s never their fault.

    I’ve seen women divorce because they wanted something more, then when they are alone and their ex-husband is remarried to a younger woman and starting another family, they rant and rave how it’s all his fault – when they are the ones that wanted a divorce. The difference is that men generally accept their lot in life – or change and stick with it and don’t regret what they do. Men only regret what they don’t do – women on the other hand constantly regret what they try because it’s not what they wanted.

    I learned the above long ago, and stopped listening to what women say they want. I give them what I want to give them, and demand that they keep me happy. If they don’t, there are always other women out there. Letting them see that you have options is important – if they are always fighting to keep you, it doesn’t give them time to do anything other than complain and they are happy to have you, since they are worried about losing you. And women love to complain – as long as you never make the mistake of giving in to what they say they want, you can live quite pleasantly, at least that has been my experience…

  • Marco

    Well, I liked the post, but I’m afraid that genie’s not going back into the bottle anytime soon.

    And on a completely different note, don’t go Marxist, it would make me sad. :)

  • Anon

    “Be careful, when you criticize capitalism; a system that is totally dependent on freedom and rewards hard-work, intuition and efficiency. If there is any hope for men in our day and age, it is in capitalism. Capitalism was what our forefathers believed in, it was the conclusion of the best ideas of the enlightenment era, which helped bring Europe out of the Dark Ages. It is the greatest invention of mankind, and is the best way of fighting corruption that runs rampant today. To denounce capitalism, is to denounce freedom and embrace slavery, which is what too many women have embraced as Roosh alluded to in this article.”

    Hard work & private ownership is NOT capitalism.

    Capitalism is the accumulation & deployment of capital WITHOUT MORAL regard to nations. The goal of capitalism is MONOPOLY. America, now more than ever, is moving toward pure capitalism.

    The American Revolution was a revolution AGAINST CAPITALISM: against the removal & redeployment of American capital (labor, tobacco, cotton & other natural resources) to Britain.

    Capitalism does not care if 1 person makes $100 million by outsourcing 10,000 jobs & destroying communities. Capitalism does not care about borders or the wholesale importation of cheap, illegal labor that undercuts your capacity to earn a living. Capitalism does not care if weapons are sold to others who will use them against Americans. Capitalism does not care that American democracy is a whore to the highest bidder. Capitalism corrupts. Capitalism only cares about power and controlling The Market. The founding fathers would be appalled at today’s America.

    What brought Europe out of the dark ages was Christianity (it was the monks who saved & copied books of knowledge) and the rediscoverable of nationalism.

    Capitalism (and its straw-man brother, Socialism) is a disease. It destroys everything it touches.

    Is it a wonder that nations where Roosh finds women to be appealing, sexy & feminine are those where capitalism is not embraced wholesale?

  • International Banker

    @Revoluzione & Jevioso

    Yes, we don’t have real free market capitalism but actually fascist corporatism that is more accurately a form of socialism for the big money elite.

    But the real challenge is in the money system. As long as you allow the limitless creation of fiat money (backed by nothing) by private and semi-private central banks you will not be able to fully solve the problems. This is something that the the Occupy guys don’t seem to have figured out yet. A flawed money system is at the root of it all. Not just “greed” and “lack of regulation”.

  • hydrogonian

    This is one of the best posts I’ve read of yours. I really enjoyed it for it’s depth of analysis. You have a real talent for that and should flex it as much as possible, especially in big picture issues. The game stuff is good as well, but it’s nice to change it up.

    The delayed positive reaction of your empowered woman friend is very telling. You cracked her idealistic shell, that was foisted upon her, and spoke to her real wants and needs as a woman. Family. For a family man, that’s his primary want as well, but he makes the necessary sacrifice for it by working eight or more hours per day. The woman not having to make this sacrifice is a true privilege and a denotation of higher status. The feminist tragedy is that it convinced women that not having to work was lower status. Convincing women, that losing was winning, was a huge victory in the war for the western mind.

    @ Jevisio

    Be careful lecturing people on capitalism, as you clearly think that there is only exists degrees of socialism and capitalism as economic systems, similar to how people only believe that there are only liberals and conservatives. These perspectives are patently false, and capitalism in not the only way to maintain corruption free governments, private property and the other benefits that you ascribe to it. The problem with modern capitalism, and to a greater extent democracy, is that it allows small independent political groups to gain control over anything that they would like, and change the system for their benefit and to the detriment of the greater good. A prime example of the result, of such a detrimental political coup, is feminism. There are other examples. Feminism was the logical result of our capitalist system, as engorging the workforce with females benefits capital in every way. It is the fault of capitalism, or the default free market agents of capitalism, corporations. One wouldn’t exist without the other, and so they are interchangeable as far as the result of their existence is concerned. Arguing that it “isn’t capitalism’s fault, but the fault of corporations” is invalid, as the differences are only semantic.

    I’m no socialist, either. Feminism was brought here through a socialist political force and ideals, but the primary beneficiary is capital. hmmm….think about that for a moment. In this instance, the socialist modeling of our social fabric and ideals primarily benefits big capital. The people at the very top. Perhaps socialism and capitalism aren’t two polar extremes after all. Perhaps they are two sides of the same coin. Think and research.

  • http://petesgamethoughts.wordpress.com Peter Phoenix

    Wow you really mindfucked her on that one.

  • Anonymous

    What about finding a hard-working sugar mamma to take care of us? I’d love to find a strong willed business woman who stresses out all day competing in a ruthless, male dominated world, and then she comes home to me where I treat her and fuck her like a woman. And with all that free time during the day, I can have multiple mistresses on the side.

  • derango

    Um… supporting wife and children is easier in eastern europe than in the states? People are living from week to week and trying to flee the zone and get to western europe.. They decide not having children because of the more and more difficult life conditions… so, what do you mean exactly?

    a hungarian reader (go to hungary man!)

  • ken

    Capitalism was a term invented by Marxists. We should not embrace that term. What most free markets libertarians are in favor of is Free Enterprise.

  • tp (anon #15)

    @23, you’re blowing things out of proportion, and your missing the point. It’s dumb to say that female empowerment is slavery.

    The average Western woman has alot more options, and hence power, than at any time in history. An educated girl can choose to be tethered to a man for provision or she can choose to have a career. She can choose to have a family or she can remain single with her pathetic cougar gal-pals. Fuck…in the USA a young girl can become slightly obese, dress sloppy, and still have eager suitors.

    There is simply no denying that many woman have unprecedented decision-making over what type of lives they want.

    Even if you assume that this level of female choice is bringing about the decay of society, it’s silly to call the current situation ‘female enslavement’. For better or worse, women are not enslaved.

  • Jevioso

    @Anon (33)

    A couple of questions:

    1. Can you please tell me what were the economic principles this nation was founded on or the ones our forefathers believed in?

    2. Can you tell me how a monopoly is developed from scratch or the process by which a company becomes a monopoly?

    3. Can you mention, by your definition of capitalism, some examples of men who exemplify what a capitalist is?

    I’m asking these questions because I want to know the foundation of your belief of what capitalism is before I respond, and possibly take your statements out of context.

  • Anonymous

    Many bad ideas have been wrapped up in the idealism of women’s rights. When the Lucky Strike Cigarettes wanted to get women to pick up smoking, they hired Edward Bernays. He had females smoke during a parade in NYC. After that, women saw no reason not to smoke, since men did it.

    There are bad ideas that we figure out and change our path. Then there are bad ideas that send our lives in the wrong direction. Those ideas we can’t fix because time has run out. Worse yet, those who have made the wrong decision fail to share their discovery with others for fear of admitting they wasted their life.

  • Jevioso

    @40

    I think women are enslaved today not physically, but mentally. Feminism has created a sex of victims. They are victims of their own natural weakness; they are victims of violent men; they are victims of patriarchy; they are victims of dead beat fathers; they are victims of the media; they are victims of online trolls, they are victims of gender; they are victims of their careers; they are victims of sexual harassment; they are victims of their children; they are victims of societal expectations…and the list goes on.

    All that being said, women have achieved a lot more power and yet feel more victimized than ever before. In a time period, where women apparently make up a larger piece of the workforce than men, what do you think will be the “consequence” of having a workforce driven by victims? The answer is cognitive dissonance; and that is the slave master of most American women today. A powerful ego and a victim-oriented ego can never occupy the same consciousness without there being some form of an existential civil war going on in the mind. This is what guys are talking about when they same women are crazy nowadays.

  • Anonymous

    the only thing i can say is some men dont want women to work so they can be dependent on men, and whoever holds the money holds the power thus giving men the power gives them control over women

    women are getting jobs now and some women are no longer dependent on men like the old days, where they have the power and dont have to marry.

    saying women working is a capitalist slaveship is stupid because men also participate in capitalism so either way its a new day get your game up !!

  • tomtud

    FANTASTIC!!!!

  • http://wnthinktank.wordpress.com Ryu

    That’s true, the genie can never go back into the bottle, not for PUAs. Not with you level of experience.

    It’s not just here that I’ve heard that, but from Jlaix. I also believe that this is a push-pull method with the audience; one post talk about fucking and sucking, the next marraige and little babies. It introduces the element of surprise.

  • doclove

    The problem is most women think that what they see the top 50% of men get is what all men get. They never look at the bottom 50% of men. These are the women who try and fail to see what a man’s world is really like.

    Most women look at the top 20% of men most or all the time, ignore the middle 60% of men half the time and completely or almost completely ignore the bottom 20% of men. This is especially true in today’s Western world and is certainly true in the USA. They all have fantasies about being in the top 20% and when it doesn’t happen in reality, they resort to their default position: FURIOUS!!! Hypergamy at work as one might say.

    It has become impossible for most men to support a wife and children on their own income these days. Capitalism is a good system but as it’s recognized founding philosophical father, Adam Smith, author of The Wealth of Nations in 1776, might say, it is only meant for a moral people. Most of us aren’t moral and in some ways we’ve become less moral since then. One of the Popes of the Catholic church in the late 19th century warned us that it must consider human beings. This too will collapse just like Communism did because of its lack of morality and humanity. It is a only a matter of time. Mind you, I’m a believer in capitalism, but the current system we have is heading for a collapse. Actually what we have is corporatism more than genuine capitalism, and this will collapse. Capitalism morphed into corporatism. Corporatism sponsors a lot of socialism to include feminism. It will collapse.

    Most men in the past went to whores when they wanted strange pussy if they could afford it. Sluts were harder to find. Moronic Feminism along with idiotic moral religious crusaders have ended that especially the Christian ones in the USA despite St. Augustine of Hippo and St. Thomas Aquinas telling people that even though prostitution was a sin it was a necessary evil to be tolerated in this world. Now most women act like sluts and the worst of whores of yore, and more men are starting to treat women like sluts and whores. Thank moronic feminism and overly idiotic religious zealots for that. St. Augustine of Hippo and St. Thomas Aquinas predicted or at least almost predicted it would happen centuries ago.

    The problem is women have too many choices at the expense of men. Men have less choices now. This is especially true in marriage. I know most of you shout at no fault divorce, but it isn’t going away soon. The smartest thing to do is not get married, not procreate, not live with a women and protect yourself as best you can. The next thing you should do is spread the word and maybe advocate that whover files for divorce first loses the house and the kids and pays child support. Alimony as a rule should be done away with with no or at least few exceptions. If the couple files jointly, then they must have an agreement that they settle on without interference from the court, family law or any other law. This is much more likely to gain traction as you can convince people about basic fairness which men and children are not getting at the expense of women deciding to intentionally or untintentionally trying to harm them. Women usually hurt themselves in a divorce too, but they don’t care because they hurt men and children more. More people will get behind this than reversing to fault divorce and the elimination of no fault divorce because most people believe marriage should be free and not bind eachother, and you can always make the person opposed to this as a sadistic inhumane monster who cares not for justice, equality and fairness.

  • Anonymous

    Many men aren’t willing to provide for a woman ’til death do them part. Many men won’t be able hold up their end of the bargain. There’s no doubting that anyone, man or woman, has more security than when they have the ability to generate their own income.

    Contrary to the notion that female empowerment is slavery, options are power and there is no doubt that women have many options today. If she’s pretty but dumb, she can find a provider and be a homemaker. If she’s homely but capable, she can provide for herself. If she’s pretty and capable, she can do whatever she wants. Whether having more options is good for “society” or nets the average woman more happiness may be up for debate. There’s little doubt, however, that female empowerment has given more women access to achieve security.

    You must be a woman.

    *Oh, and btw, f off… ;)

  • Anonymous

    @40
    While women today may well seem to have an unprecedented number of choices, this is not the result of their own “empowerment.” Virtually all the “choices” they have, are simply due to many productive men willingly enduring a regime that robs them, for the benefit of “empowered feeling” women.

    After all, women choosing to push paper in some publicocracy, rather than having and raising kids, are only in the very rarest of cases (Marie Curie and Mariah Carey) creating an net increase in real wealth. Hence, their choice not to have children are, in sum, making society poorer.

    That there exists a sufficiently large number of gullible male saps to enable (actually promise to enable) wealth transfers in the direction of these women large enough to mask this, is not due to “female empowerment”, but rather to widespread male idiocy.

    For women in their teens, 20s and 30s today, which are the only ones who matter on a game blog (and, The Maries and Mariahs aside, really the only ones who matter, period, unless they are mothers), this system won’t last long enough for all these choices to be meaningful ones. The social security payments and medicare they were promised, will never materialize. If they can sucker some third world immigrant into caring for them with whatever chump change they have left, he’ll likely stop by, take the change, and leave her bruised, beaten and even poorer. After all, neither handbags nor empty promises made by her erstwhile alpha politician, will stick up for her the way a child or twelve would have.

    Having the choice of hundreds of different guns with which to shoot herself in the head may well be a lot of choices, but if you restrict yourself to look only at beneficial ones, nothing gives a women (again, leaving the Maries and Mariahs aside) more options, security and happiness throughout a long life than an army of children and grandchildren raised well enough to love her virtually unconditionally.

  • Anonymous

    women are getting jobs now and some women are no longer dependent on men like the old days, where they have the power and dont have to marry.

    The poetic justice to this scenario is that said women are going to grow old and most importantly alone for **trying to be a man** instead of being ashamed for being a female — without any children, and descendants, to leave behind.

    Remember ladies, as cute as cats are, they are still are not your kids.

  • Anonymous

    saying women working is a capitalist slaveship is stupid because men also participate in capitalism so either way its a new day get your game up !!

    Woman, instead of arguing with men, you wanna reeeeeeeally know how to get your “game” up….

    STOP EATING SO MANY DAMN CARBS… AND HIT THE GYM, PRONTO!

  • chris

    Female empowerment is about making it possible for women to pursue a short-term mating strategy.

    It’s interesting to note that most feminists are ugly, slutty or masculinised, those exact characteristics which make a female a poor long-term mating prospect so it would be natural for them to advocate for a mating system that more benefits them, (which would be a short-term mating system).

    Of course the reason the movement was supported by capitalists was because it would make them more money but the reason feminists support it is because it will change society to improve/suit their particular type of reproductive value.

    Now they can financially provide for themselves and get banged and impregnated by alphas who will hit the road and not help/support her or the children.

    The problem though is that a peaceful civilisation is not possible with this sort of mating strategy going on. The children born of caddish alphas will be more aggressive, more violent and more rebellious.

    On the plus side though, a collapsed society does provide you the opportunity to advance your position much more than you otherwise would have.

  • Anonymous

    Unless you’re a mobster, a movie star, or the president of a developed country, cheating on someone you had kids with is a bad idea…

  • Roosh

    “If she’s pretty but dumb, she can find a provider and be a homemaker. ”

    Great example of a brainwashed woman. “Only dumb woman can make housewives, while intelligent and strong women go on to work for an environmental non-profit.” The irony is that being a housewife takes more business and leadership skills than being a micromanaged corporate peon. The former has to make decisions that affect the quality of life for her husband and children.

  • Travel Bug

    Roosh:

    Your argument seems weak to me, especially this part:

    Woman: “But if I don’t have a job and my husband has an affair, I’ll be helpless. I want to have a backup plan in case he neglects me.”

    Me: “So you’re going to marry someone with the expectation of failure? If you already have divorce in the back of your head before you walk down the aisle then I guarantee it won’t work. It’s having the need for options and a way out that ensures the marriage will fail. It’s only when both parties are unconditionally committed to the marriage that it has a chance of success. You don’t think the man has stake in the marriage when he knows that his wife’s survival solely depends on him? You have to have made a horrible decision to marry a man who is willing to put you on the street. In that case it’s as much your mistake as it is his failure as a husband. It’s having too many options, too many outs, that has made marriage a joke that it is today. Either you depend on each other for everything or do what everyone else does and form a business partnership that can be severed with two lawyers over afternoon coffee. It takes serious commitment and sacrifice to make it work, something that people don’t do as long as they have their call-this-law-firm-in-case-of-emergency Plan B.’”

    If you truly believe this, you would get married without a prenup. Would you? Probably not. It’s extremely unwise to put all your eggs in one basket and not have a plan B. If you got divorced, which sadly is a very real possibility, you would be on far more stable footing than her since she’s old and damaged goods, without her own source of income.

    Put yourself in her shoes, yes she would be very happy as long as you’re doing your part for providing and being a good father, etc. But if hypothetical Roosh starts having a breakdown or loses his ability to provide, you’re fucked!

  • 2mques

    @ Travel Bug

    The reason why you sign a pre-nup is because you want control over how much money the government will take from you. Most men would sign a pre-nup and not work if they got married to a rich heiress or something like that, with no complaint.

    A man doesn’t work for protection, he works to create value and a better life for his family now or in the future. Most women nowadays work out of insecurity, not out of a desire to be productive and contribute to the leadership of her man. What’s the point of having a mercenary in a voluntary army?

    If a wife is willing to work and put all that money into buying things for the home to raise it’s value, educating her children and cooking healthy food for the family, instead of relying first on her husband’s money for that, then yes she should have a job and it should be encouraged. However, most women in dual income households spend the least amount of money possible on the family, and use most of their money to buy shoes and other fashionable clothes. Why should a man, who’s entire income is dedicated to his family, condone that?

  • cc

    @ 2mques

    Lol, women don’t work use money to buys shoes and other fashionable clothes as well. They’re called entitlement bitches.

  • J

    55 Travel Bug

    That was rare. It certainly is better than having 1/3 of all children coming from single mothers. All of the insanity in our society depends on feminism entitlement transfers from tax payers to irresponsible single mother whores. Now our society is really fucked.

    I’d say the old system still was far superior in that it made the most number of people happy and healthy.

    Fuck feminism. Let the whole structure die, which it will soon.

  • Travel Bug

    @58- That may have been rare then, but it certainly wouldnt be rare now. The economy is forever changed and you cant rely on a steady job for life like we once could.

    IMO, we cant move back to the ways of pre-feminism, however I believe we can evolve PAST where we are now.

    @56
    No, that’s not what a pre-nup is. A pre-nup is for how assets will be divided between the spouses in the event of a divorce, usually favoring the richer spouse.

  • Anonymous

    @56,

    Man, you are a NAIVE dude.

    Divorce without a pre-nup will cost 50% of your assets, alimony, palimony, and her lawyers’ fees.

    Divorce with a pre-nup will cost 50% of your assets, alimony, palimony, her lawyers’ fees, AND her lawyers’ fees for litigating the pre-nup.

    Divorce court determines the total value of assets, divides it in half, and decides who keeps what. Her lawyers will fight over value and who keeps what. That will cost you.

    Pre-nups only address WHO keeps WHAT:

    Your pre-nup will say you keep the $1,000,000 house that’s been in your family for generations, but that you WILL pay her HALF its value. But the pre-nup won’t stop her lawyers from claiming you owe her $5 million because the house is actually worth $10 million. That’s when the real fun starts.

    At that point, the ass rape will commence and you will wonder why you paid for a pre-nup and why you got married in the first place. And then you will run into the dude with no job, living off money from his 5 baby mammas and realize who the real winners in Western culture are.

  • Anon

    @54 Roosh,

    Yes, dumb women are MORE likely to end up on the default route to becoming a paper pushing, soul-less cubicle dweller than being homemakers. Or on welfare with 5 kids from 4 dads.

    It takes a bit of skill to snag a provider, keep him happy, manage a home, and raise kids.

  • Roosh

    I didn’t make it clear in the post, but I would never, under any circumstance, marry a woman in the United States. It would have to be in the foreign country I met her.

  • Anon

    @47 Doc Love,

    I couldn’t have said it better myself.

    1. Women want to be equal… equal to the TOP MEN.

    2. Capitalism is a filthy disease. It spawns corporations and socialism, which are both WELFARE systems for the morally corrupt rich and the morally corrupt poor. Capitalism is a cancer that WILL consume itself and collapse, except it won’t be as pretty when communism collapsed.

    3. I don’t see divorce getting reformed any time soon. Too many people profit from divorce for it to change.

  • Anon

    “I didn’t make it clear in the post, but I would never, under any circumstance, marry a woman in the United States. It would have to be in the foreign country I met her.”

    America has laws and international treaties regarding American fathers & child support to foreign nationals. Might want to look into that before you leap. Probably best to marry a foreigner who can’t afford an American lawyer.

  • cc

    @58

    The problem with feminism is we’re still raising women with per-feminist attitudes, giving them a huge sense of entitlement. What we need to start doing is stop raising them as ‘daddy’s little girls’ where they expect everything to be bought for them.

  • horny housewife

    “The irony is that being a housewife takes more business and leadership skills than being a micromanaged corporate peon.”

    I totally agree, so why dismiss women’s work as a 4-hour walk in the park? Just to make (plan, shop, prepare, serve & clean up after) 3 average meals is 3 hours worth of work, minimum. For simple meals, but not microwave crap.

    Add in housework, laundry, gardening (for food, not hobby), household bills, and the big one that as you say comes later, CHILDCARE, and we’re talking about major overtime.

    Here’s one way to look at it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2011/05/02/why-stay-at-home-moms-should-earn-a-115000-salary/

  • http://www.thesolomonpress.com Samuel

    One thing that women seem to overlook is that even in being a “housewife” that does not mean they will never do anything or accomplish anything. If they raise children, and the man DOES accomplish something, such as starting up a prosperous business… then she HAS accomplished something.

    FAMILY, first of all. Every person who considers the death bed, knows that family is all that really matters, the only part of their life they give a damn about, and they always regret not having invested more in it, no matter how immersed they were.

    Secondly, the accomplishments of a family are a TEAM effort, so everything the man achieves, the woman has also achieved, by way of being in direct, full partnership and daily connection and support.

    Being a house wife is far more glorious and fulfilling than punching a clock… but we all have to work. Paychecks, house, kids… its ALL work. No one gets a free pass, except the trust fund babies. So, since a woman’ life is destined to be one of work, why complain when your portion of the chores and responsibilities are actually really great ones, and less dangerous?

    BTW I am not entirely interested in a “house pet” either. I’d have no problem with a woman that was passionate to do something like teach, or nurse, etc. Women need stimulation, and I don’t want that to be entirely up to me.

    I do think that if women would invest themselves more fully in marriages, including cutting out the shit behavior and emasculating, and dropping the escape hatches they always keep in their pocket… they could find themselves more often in prosperous relationships that involve REAL LOVE and genuine appreciation.

    Anybody who turns their nose up at that deserves whatever misery they acquire.

  • cc

    @ 66 what a crock of bullshit considering the majority of people don’t make at least $115,000 a year and still manage to get by.

  • 2mques

    @66

    Lol, who’s going to pay that?

  • Jevioso

    @Anon

    Clearly corporatism is a word that doesn’t exist in your dictionary, which is why you can agree with doclove, and still bash capitalism in the process…

    @ horny housewife

    That article assumes that a housewife is a combination of 10 professions, obviously that’s a beta author. Did he ever considered who would pay the bill, when the average American makes less than $40,000 a year?

  • Anonymous

    Zero Tolerance Man’s blog got hacked, but he has started a new blog at:

    American Woman Bitch by the Zero Tolerance Man

    Zero Tolerance Man has the most powerful anti-feminist blog on the net, because he is directly attacking feminist women and showing what worthless cunts they truly are.

    Here is from his “Why Did I create this website” page:

    Because most American women are worthless toilet bowl turds. They are nothing but parasites feeding off the hard work of men. Are men better than women in the USA? ABSOLUTELY. The only thing American women are good for is nagging, complaining, and spending men’s money. Most are not even worth fucking. They suck in bed and thus, have absolutely no value to the good men of the USA.

    Please send a link to this blog to all your friends.

  • horny housewife

    yea the Forbes number is suspect–tho the 10+ jobs are pro-rated hourly–but they include psychology services (@$40/hr), which is just ridiculous considering that supporting your mate & children is part and parcel of being with them and better filed under “quality time” imo.

    Anyway, my gripe was more with Roosh’s categorization of being a housewife as an easy, breezy 4-hour day with lots of time for hobbies, leisure and gym sessions (paid for by…?). I wish!

    He seems to contradict it himself by acknowledging the business and leadership skills required.

    Eh, minor point I guess. Just got under my skin cuz I bust ass to keep house! I don’t mind doing so, but find genuine respect for what it entails lacking on all sides.

    [Roosh: I don't know any housewives so my number is a guess. If you don't have kids, I don't see it taking more than 5 hours/day for home upkeep. I know that with kids it's a different story.]

  • CC

    @ 70 Jevioso – Good fucking point. All that article does is make rich betas and chauvinists think that they ought to provide for a women and it also gives women a huge sense of entitlement (i.e. ‘Being a housewife is hard work! A deserve a man who makes at least 6 figures!’)

    @71

    Thank you!! The problem isn’t feminism but the way we raise our American women.

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  • Anonymous

    52 chris

    Female empowerment is about making it possible for women to pursue a short-term mating strategy.

    It’s interesting to note that most feminists are ugly, slutty or masculinised, those exact characteristics which make a female a poor long-term mating prospect so it would be natural for them to advocate for a mating system that more benefits them, (which would be a short-term mating system).

    Yup – and it is precisely these dregs of womanhood who should not be breeding (or breeding the least) in the first place.

    So, paradoxically, corporate-sponsered ‘grrrrl powa’ is, at least, mimimizing the worst, most retrograde, least feminine female genes from reproducing themselves into the next generation.

    You go ‘grrrrrl’!

  • He gives, She takes
  • Anonymous

    “I’m not ready to get married, but I am ready to hold on—at least temporarily—to the good girls I meet. When I’m older I think I want to be with one great woman and occasionally cheat on the side to keep things fresh. This is how they do it in South America. The guy provides for the family while the wife turns a blind eye. I know you think that’s unacceptable, but I believe being able to cheat, without openly disrespecting my wife, is a way to ensure a marriage’s long-term success.”

  • Anonymous

    First, what about the possibility of losing YOUR job? Who will provide for your family if you are unemployed and your wife stayed at home since the marriage? If that was the case, not only you but your whole family would fall. If your wife had at least a part time-job, not everything would be lost. Second, what if at the age of 60 you fell in love with a 20 something girl? Don´t you think that this couldn´t happen. You are not immune to feelings, even less if you PLAN to cheat on her “on occasions”. You would probably leave your much older wife, and still would have to provide for her AND the young girl´- if you had a sense of honor (which I doubt).

    Besides that, jealousy is a natural emotion. NO woman will be happy with a cheating husband, unless she herself is into polyamory/partner swapping, and will be unfaithful to you “occasionally to keep things fresh”.

  • omega-77

    American woman, stay away from me
    American woman, mama let me be
    Don’t come hanging around my door
    I don’t want to see your face no more
    I got more important things to do
    Than spend my time growin’ old with you
    Now woman, stay away
    American woman, listen what I say

    American woman…..
    And you’re no good for me
    And I’m no good for you
    I look you right straight in the eye
    And tell you what I’m gonna do
    I’m gonna leave you woman
    You know I gotta go
    I’m gonna leave you woman
    I gotta go

    if Lenny can’t get a wife, what it tells about them?
    The guy has a broken heart, you can see it in his eyes, moves, energy. Despite fame, money, looks, career.

  • 77 Anonymous (cont’d)

    Oops–meant to add this:

    This, this right here. I am the wife in a situation very similar to this. My husband uses “variety” instead of “cheat”. He says that this is why he married me–because I take pleasure is his absolute NEED for variety.

  • Anonymous

    @80: What? You take pleasure in your husband´s NEED for variety? Is he that bad in bed, that you´re glad when he fulfills his NEED for sex with other women than you? LOL

  • blurb

    It’s interesting how everyone talks about how a woman takes care of the home. But what about some of the things a man does around the house? Compared to women’s work around the house, men’s work is MUCH more productive and expensive. My father asked mechanics around town how much replacing a certain engine part would cost. The normal answers he got were $700 to $1000. Guess what? My father decided to just buy, fix, and replace the darned engine part himself, saving our family at least hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on automative costs. I am shocked as to how economists never take into account how much men should be getting paid for helping around the house. Man, some of these economists must be the most ignorant mangina, white knighters ever.

    Here’s some of the things men generally do around the house:

    Men mow the lawn.

    Men change the oil in cars.

    Men fix cars.

    Men replace broken water heaters.

    Men reroute the computer cables to install new technical equipment.

    Men fix the satellite dish.

    Men dangerously climb onto rooftops and unclog the gutter on the rooftops.

    Men rake the leaves.

    Men go under the faucet to fix the plumbing.

    Men fix the oven.

    Men fix the refrigerator.

    Men do landscaping.

    Men build fences around the backyard.

    Men cut down unnecessary trees.

    Men

    …and the list goes on.

    Men in general, compared to the average woman, are still much more versatile, valuable, and economic even in housework. They have to be plumbers, mechanics, cable repairmen, electricians, and whole host of other things when the need arises if they lack the finances. Any person with a pair of hands can cook, stuff a t-shirt in the laundry machine, and crack a 15-minute recipe meal.

    A woman cleaning the dishes will be paid around minimum wage at almost any restaurant.

    A man replacing an engine part or building a fence costs in the hundreds, if not thousands of dollars a mechanic or lumberjack or landscaper would charge.

  • K-Man

    Solid post, very well-articulated – I have tried to make the same points to women, but am not as eloquent.

    However, I don’t agree supporting a family on one income is possible in SA or EE. You need to modify the statement as follows: one can support a family in SA or EE on one US income. The question then is how to earn a US income in SA or EE? We can’t all work over the internet…

  • Daddy’s Girl

    Seems to me like this thread is full of big babies passing themselves for men.

    It is also full of individuals who neither love or respect women, but rather treat them with disdain, infantilizing them and reducing them to socially constructed stereotypes.

    Real men understand that men and women are part of the same team in both the household and society. A healthy relationship wether straight, gay, lesbian or even polygamous is based on common goals and mutual respect no matter the roles that each individual assumes. The same can be said about a healthy work environment.

    So how about everyone stops blaming the other gender for the woes of America and start working together to solve more important issues? Based on what I’ve read here education could seriously use some reforming in the states… Start with yourselves?

    For those of you who qualify “feminists” as castrating, nagging, self-entitled, unattractive sluts that strive for female supremacy, I’d like to offer a different definition of the term.

    Men and women who believe in equal rights for all are feminists. Remembering that many around the world, women and children in particular, are still denied basic rights is thinking like a feminist. If you believe that everyone no matter what their race, religion, sexuality or gender deserve the same rights and opportunity, then you are a feminist.

    And as for the initial post, I’m having trouble taking it seriously. I know a great deal of Hispanic, Eastern European, African and Asian professional women that would take great offence into being reduced to gold-digging green-card seeking bimboes with an aching empty womb.

    It also doesn’t take into consideration that women have been present in the workforce since antiquity and that the real difference established in that area by feminists is fair wages and security for women in the workplace. Basically the same thing the Civil rights movement did for African Americans. So if you feel like feminists did society a disservice, you’re pretty much pro-slavery… yay you!

  • CC

    @84

    Great fucking post!!!

  • Anonymous

    Men and women who believe in equal rights for all are feminists.

    Put-up or shut-up, AmeriKwan hypocrite.

    Only in Europe is this basically true – most certainly not in AmeriKwa.

    European feminist women, although I do not agree with all their positions, still genuinely respect, and believe in treating the men of their respective societies in a dignified manner – unlike the two-faced schizo approach of entitled AmeriKwan female land whales (‘special little snowflakes’ that they are – lol).

    Nor do Euro feminist women don’t typically engage in your typical male shaming language that you ranted on with, DG.

    Probably has a lot to do with their countries being rather homogeneous, where the men and women of those places truly are ‘in it together’ – where in this multi-kulti cesspool of an empire that is AmeriKwa, with it’s epidemic of obesity and overall fat assholes, any woman, most especially a White woman, even if she is just slightly attractive, thinks she is an absolute ‘goddess’, and a ‘princess’, whom men should worship the ground they walk on (double LOL).

    After all, they don’t call ‘em (in AmeriKwa) ‘femi-nazis’ for nothing.

  • http://flirtyintrovert.wordpress.com/ flirtyintrovert

    Awww, Roosh – I kind of love you for this.

  • CC

    @86

    That’s because a lot of American women are pretty much brought up to be spoiled little bitches.

  • Daddy’s Girl

    As for the “Amerikwan” phenomenon, the real cause of it is poor education which allows mass media to influence and dictate gender roles to impressionable youths. I’d like to share this documentary, which perfectly exemplifies how mass media teaches young girls to become mid-drift bearing, attention seeking self-entitled wanabe beauty queens and teaches boys to be slouchy under-achieving slobs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdzxc8Fpn3o

    I take offence to the term “femi-nazi”. Nazi’s are responsible for one of the most devastating wars and genocides in history. How can you compare such atrocities to the desire of fighting for one’s rights?

  • Daddy’s Girl

    @86

    I doubt you’ve ever set foot in Europe… unless our definition of the word homogenous is dramatically different.

    The European Union comprises of 27 countries all extremely diverse and each of witch is a mosaic of different cultures, languages, dialects… And all this in a surface not much bigger than the United States in it’s entirety.

    Maby you should start watching something other than fox news and learn a bit more about world politics, geography and history?

    I do not shame you because you are men. I shame you because you are ignorant and prejudiced and show no love or compassion for your kin.

  • CC

    @90

    Well, with a name like Daddy’s girl, I find it hard to take your seriously. ‘Daddy’s little girls’ usually end up being the biggest entitlement bitches of them all.

  • JasonA

    Hey Roosh,

    Nice post. As you know, I agree with what you’re saying here but in an effort to fully polish our argument on this point I want to bring up something regarding this part:

    “Consider that this whole full employment movement for women is less than 100 hundred years old, a blink of the eye in the hundreds of thousands of years of human history. It’s one of the greatest tragedies committed to women of the world, and it will not be reversed.”

    From what I’ve read women and men were more equal for most of human evolution. During the Hunter/Gatherer period, women would provide 60% of the food to the tribe. Women had more control in the tribes and some say this period was characterized by the “partnership culture” where responsibilities and property were shared (mates, children, food, etc). It was during the Neolithic Revolution (the first agricultural revolution, 8000-5000 BC) that men started providing more and therefore took more control. This apparently led to the “paternal culture” or “domination culture” of male dominance that we have had until today. This culture is characterized by owning things and the domination of other people (lands, women, slaves, cars, etc).

    Whether this shift in culture was for better or worse is up for debate. Whether the return of women as providers is for better or worse is also debatable.

    I know that I personally prefer that my woman pursue any life goals that make her happy as long as she doesn’t let any of it distract her from her traditional role as a woman, wife, mother, etc. I always prefer having a girlfriend who has other problems besides me. It’s a Machiavellian thing. ;)

  • JJ

    im confused how anyone can blame capitalism for the mess the world is in. it was not capitalism that places overbearing regulations on businesses that drive them overseas. how do you absolve government of the destruction of jobs? not to mention corporations who lobby government for subsidies, which they then use to finance moving operations to another country. its not cheap to build new factories.

    not to mention that whenever someone brings up the fact that government destroyed the manufacturing sector of the US, liberals are actually PROUD of that, patting themselves on the shoulder. they consider those jobs are “dirty”, and think they did the “environment” a favor. they refuse to recognize those jobs were productive, unlike the bureaucratic offices these idiots work at.

    and it was government that created the welfare state that finances all these single mothers. now these women are free to get knocked up, knowing the government will provide for them, one way or another. the entitled princess syndrome has spread like a plague as a result. but i guess thats capitalism’s fault?

  • JJ

    @Daddy’s Girl

    i highly doubt your statement about professional women in Eastern Europe. the special brand feminism often referred to as feminazism is pretty much exclusive to the US/UK. EE women do not seek out to emasculate and shame men whenever they disagree with them, like you are doing with shaming language “big babies”, “real men”, etc. when will women realize you cant shame men into doing what you want anymore?

    i also disagree with your comment about Asian professional women. as an Asian American who mostly dates Asian women, i have yet to come across one who is as obsessed with their career like the typical American. they all agree its just a means to an end, and would gladly be stay at home mom if it was possible to raise a family on a single income. i would also make the point that Asian communities in the US are pretty much the last bastion of traditional families in America. the nuclear family is still intact and single motherhood is nowhere close to where it is of other races.

  • JJ

    i also want to point out that what i said about Asian women applies to also the Asian women who date outside their race. one personal anecdote: i was at a nail salon waiting for my now ex- to finish her shift and go out to dinner. and there was one very loud black women going on about how her latest baby daddy left (she just had a 3rd kid, all 3 different fathers, and none stuck around). she then moved on to saying all black men werent worth shit. at this, the Korean woman working on her eyebrows (i think?)immediately stopped and told her to the get the fuck out. and the black woman was stunned asking why, what did she do? and the Korean woman says shes been married for 15 years, and the man she married is a great husband and a great father to their kids. and he just so happens to be a black man. and she went on to say that if you cant find a good black man, maybe its because you need to grow the fuck up. quit being a teenage schoolgirl chasing bad boys, and just stop dating thugs.

    at that point, all the women in the salon started clapping. the black woman leaves, cursing up a storm the whole way. this happened about 6 years ago, which seems like another world ago considering the financial crisis and all that.

  • chris
  • Daddy’s Girl

    @ JJ

    What comment about professional women in Eastern Europe?

    I have a hard time taking criticism for using terms like “big babies” and “real men” when posts have included insults like “femi-nazi”, “self entitled bitch” and things like “Most are not even worth fucking. They suck in bed and thus, have absolutely no value to the good men of the USA.”

    I’m glad you feel proud of your culture and the women who share it as most of what I’ve been reading on this page is permeated with self-hate.

    I will say this though, Asian women are lucky in some way that they have been completely forgotten by main-stream media and learn their roles and values through their family. Main stream media is extremely unkind to black women and depicts them as angry hoodlums that collect welfare and baby-dadies or else as promiscuous video vixens. It is also delivers a rather confusing message to young white girls, to be strong independent women but to measure their self-worth through their appearance and sexuality, before they are even old enough to understand it.

    I find it strange that as an Asian man, you are not repelled by comments that describe Asian women and Eastern European women as subservient house pets rather than free-thinking individuals who make informed choices based on their personal values. I also find it strange that as someone from a visible minority you chose to engage in discriminative discourse and use stereotypes as basis for your arguments.

    I know a great deal of asian women (some “fresh out the boat”, and some born and raised in North America) who are extremely hard working and dedicated to their education and careers. I agree with you that maybe they are less obsessed with the idea of pursuing a high-profile career then middle-class and upper-middle class white women, but nevertheless they are ambitious and hard working. Don’t get me wrong, I think that dedicating your life to taking care of your husband and kids is a great thing and can be really rewarding. I know a few white girls with a higher education who openly admit to considering a less high-profile career in order to be more present in their children’s lives. They are able to openly admit to these goals because they feel that their partners respect their choices and would stand by them no matter what decision they make.

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  • pissed

    My wife had that stay at home life and it was good for us both for 10 years. Unfortunately she is now determined to make herself capable of leaving me because she views my providing for her as not allowing her to fulfill her potential even though her failure in everything she took on was of her own doing. I’m apparently the sole source of all her shortcomings and failures. She also says she wants to find a man who will provide for her so that she doesn’t have to worry about having responsibilities. I think she’s just fucking crazy at this point.

  • cc

    “I’m not ready to get married, but I am ready to hold on—at least temporarily—to the good girls I meet. When I’m older I think I want to be with one great woman and occasionally cheat on the side to keep things fresh. This is how they do it in South America. The guy provides for the family while the wife turns a blind eye. I know you think that’s unacceptable, but I believe being able to cheat, without openly disrespecting my wife, is a way to ensure a marriage’s long-term success.”

    I don’t care what way you try and justify this, this right here makes you a fucking scum bag.

  • AmericanWomanThatYouHate

    OK so it is enslavement to have a job, but men can have them? I’m seriously not understanding why you are making a concerted effort to diminish the many reasons why women take jobs, aside from getting their basic needs met by income. People want a purpose in life, a job might provide it directly or with the income generated it may give the worker the opportunity to enjoy themselves at another activity. Saying that a woman depending upon a paycheck is slavery is no different from how a woman would depend upon a man. Sorry, not all of can depend upon a man who can leave us at any moment, who feels entitled to cheat, who thinks anything we do is without meaning because we’re inherently female & have nothing to offer. This is just a blog set up by men who are disappointed that they have to get a new identity, which for the longest time was based upon the inherent inferiority of men. And to the men who keep mentioning that you can’t speak logically to women, you’re quite emotional yourselves. You can’t handle that women can step out on their own & demand equality in the workplace & in a relationship. Go ahead & cry about it.

  • estonian

    Oh my god, you don’t respect women AT ALL, you are a real fuckin dickhead.
    I hope no woman will fall in love with you and agree to marry you EVER. Hope you will end up alone:)
    Good luck!

  • cc

    @102

    You say that now… but guys like this end up getting married all the time…

  • Keseleth

    @103

    That is because Roosh in this convo is selling a dream to the girl. I mean – who wouldn’t want to live a life without many responsibilities, a roof over your head without you pumping away at a 9 to 5 job, etc. Let’s face it, humans are laaazy and people like Roosh are highly intelligent.

    Unfortunately, for many women (and house husbands), it rarely plays out this way, due to human nature. =] Well at the very least – not from guys like him.

    http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-9661-post-144422.html#pid144422

  • Mike

    If you think that feminism is strong in USA, come to Sweden and experience how the majority of men living in Sweden have become doormats.

    Today’s women are unfortunately a product of a capitalism gone wrong. I’m an old man and I have been in many cities and countries.

    If you have money and status, you will live happily whether you are a man or a woman.

    If you don’t have money and status, you will live miserably whether you are a man or a woman.

    The problem is that corporates have managed to convince women that women aren’t happy because it’s men’s fault. Corporates have also managed to convice women that happiness is achived by purchasing designer handbags rather than by raising a healthy and loving family.

  • Clare

    This is some of the most fucked up material I have ever read. I am sorry I came across it.
    You seem to be talking about women as though they are empty vessels for you to fuck and use without any integrity or true thought of their own.
    Fortunately the writing and arguments are so bad I am just going to laugh at it and try to forget it as soon as possible.
    I am grateful that feminism has had the impact it has had and that I have been brought up with choices and a sense of value in being a female of the species.
    What amazes me is that women actually sleep with you, euurgh.

  • Silhouette

    @84 – “Men and women who believe in equal rights for all are feminists. Remembering that many around the world, women and children in particular, are still denied basic rights is thinking like a feminist. If you believe that everyone no matter what their race, religion, sexuality or gender deserve the same rights and opportunity, then you are a feminist.”

    Wrong. The belief that everyone deserves equal rights and opportunity regardless of race/religion/gender/sexuality is called EGALITARIANISM. It has existed since the days of Plato. I suggest you do some research instead of spouting the propaganda that has been spoonfed to you by the lying media and manipulative feminist agenda pushers.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/egalitarianism?s=t

    Feminism is a fascist movement whose ultimate goal is female supremacy. Nothing more, nothing less. It’s not about race, religion or sexuality. It’s not even about “equality”. It always blows my mind that anyone could seriously think a movement called “feminism” is about anything more than empowering women(while simulataneously disempowering men). The fact is, feminism is scary. It’s not because I’m afraid of a “strong, independent wimmyn”. It’s because its capacity to completely brainwash people into believing its bullshit is terrifying. I swear, it’s like something out of a B-list horror movie.

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