The problem with modern feminism is that it has disrupted a gender equilibrium that has existed for millenia. And yes, that equilibrium had men exerting their control and superiority over women, but it was an equilibrium nonetheless that has helped the human species perpetuate and colonize the Earth. Feminism’s successful foray on mainstream culture has destroyed that balance and made it increasingly hopeless for today’s man to land a decent woman who cherishes him, let alone one who can be a suitable mother to his children.
I will concede that some aspects of feminism are just and proper. Women should have some say of how many children they want, if they want to work, and if they want to get married (and with whom). They should not be held as sex slaves against their will. They should be rewarded based on their skills and accomplishments just like a man should, and equal pay for equal work is reasonable. However, today we have women overreaching and demanding more than their fair share. They want high positions not based on their skills but simply because they are female, continually shoving false “glass-ceiling” and unequal pay myths down our throats. They want courts to subjugate men they divorce for the most trivial of reasons, and they want to put-down and play any man who attempts to form a connection with them using a provider (beta) game that has worked for his most recent ancestors.
Unfortunately there will be no setting back of the clock. As long as women retain suffrage, our politicians will continue to appease them for votes by refusing to scale back anti-man laws. Unfit mothers will continue to keep custody rights while fathers pay support for a child who is brainwashed against him. Single motherhood will increasingly be glorified. And as long as American-style capitalism provides decreasing job opportunities for men, women will continue to excel in mundane office jobs that better suit their social, emotional brains instead of the factory and engineering jobs of the past that provided men with a fair income for his entire family.
I believe that today’s man can still restore his dominion in a world that is skewing against his favor by doing one thing: becoming a sexist. He must possess sexist beliefs for three reasons:
- To have sexual relationships with women who are at least as pretty as he is handsome.
- To assert his superiority over his female competitors in the workplace by playing the office game as well as they do (e.g. constantly bringing up accomplishments to managers, being outspoken, being two-faced, ass-kissing, and backstabbing).
- To get laid at all.
In the past you didn’t have to believe that you were superior to women. The system was set up so that all you had to do was go to school, get a good-paying local job, and ask your mom to put in a good word with the neighbor’s cute daughter. The first girl you fucked would probably be your wife, you’d have your two kids, and you’d live the so-called American dream. Today this is not possible. Your father’s father would be unsuccessful at mating in today’s climate of feminism which has allowed a tiny percentage of alpha men to monopolize the best women. As American women become more obese and gross, there are fewer desirable women left outside of the alpha males’ harems. The nice guy is left with nothing but scraps—and those scraps have attitude.
While it doesn’t look good for you in terms of marriage, at the minimum any educated, employed man in a first-world nation should be able to sleep with a handful of decent women a year. But without having sexist beliefs, he will wholeheartedly struggle in that front. Here’s what it means to be a sexist:
- Having a low level of respect for women.
- Having the belief that the genders are not equal (you should nod or smile at the following quote: “A woman can do anything a man can do, as long as a man first shows her how”).
- Not listening to them about anything.
- Studying flavors of game based on the alpha-male model, an effective countermeasure to feminism.
- Preferring the company of compliant, feminine women of different nationalities where feminism has not made strong inroads (Eastern Europe, Southeast Asia, South America).
You don’t have to hate women and you don’t have to abuse them. You don’t have to commit any crimes against them. But you must believe that you are superior and deserve more than them. With the addition of game practice, you will then be sexually rewarded for those beliefs.
It’s a sad fact that the modern feminist withholds sex from the nice guy, disgusted with his subservience, while servicing the sexist alpha man, increasing his power and rewarding him with more sexual delights than he could have experienced since the days of Itzcoatl. The nice guy is weak and starved, left sexless and alone, a pathetic specimen resigned to the brunt of jokes in beer commercials and crappy sitcoms. If he wants to be procreate, he has no choice but to rise from the ashes a sexist. The more of those beliefs he accepts, the more he’ll get what he wants in the fucked-up world we currently live in.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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It is a fucked up world out there but there is a lot of truth to what you’re saying. As a man you can only react to what you see with your own eyes.
Women don’t dig providers. Women don’t dig available. Women don’t dig interested.
They want aloof, semi-asshole and challenge.
None of which are taught to young boys and girls during their development years. I have no sympathy for the modern women, because I know she’d throw me right over the golden gate bridge for a higher level alpha.
women who are just looking to get laid are like this yes but women who are choosing a husband do not want this kind of guy. It all depends on what your looking for from both sides. I wonder Roosh – what if you have a few daughters – will you be advising them to do this?
Thats pretty intersting to think about what you´ll think if you had daughters…
whats new in it?…same old fucking story…i doubt roosh is true alpha…he is anti feminism….in the past he has been hurt many times by females.thats what i believe.
game is not about talking nonsense….its all about having sex with multiple women and then settle down with one.
Any guy having trouble getting laid should read “Bang” — it’s a great book.
Typically, “nice guy” = insecure. More worried about himself and how he appears than how the women he approaches looks/acts/etc., it’s no wonder the nice guy has trouble connecting with them.
Solid post. There’s a lot of truth to this.
It’s always funny when I make a “sexist” joke and women get “offended”.
One girl said she “almost deleted me” out of her phone because I said “I don’t want a woman who watches sports, a woman’s only job when the big game is on is to shut up and get me another beer.”
“Almost” deleted me? Whatever, bitch…. shut up and go get me another beer…
What’s interesting is that Mystery’s game theories were based on evolutionary theories, on mechanisms he believed existed when humans lived in caves. Here Roosh states that these same mechanisms are a recent adaption as an answer to feminism. 40 years can hardly be a period long enough to be part of evolution. What do you guys think, how important is real evolution, and how important is the feminism factor in this equation?
How disgusting is it that Charlie Sheen has to pay $55,000 each to Brooke Mueller and Denise Richards as “child support”? Since when does it cost $55,000/month to raise two young kids in the US? SMFH
lets go whole hog with it
whose ready to go and bash an upper cut rabbit punch to the closest growth of what passes for a hairy feminist nutsack, clubbing her man-chin as she writhes on the ground in ball-pain?
Roosh is pretty advanced and seems to have indirectly understood that humans have no freedom of action, they have only freedom of attitude and awareness and that also determines their actions and destiny.
That is truth. Do not do anything. Just start thinking that you are superior (without resentment). An you will get laid as much as you will.
All unmarried men, who get laid at all, have or will reach the exact same conclusions as Roosh presents.
Men who marry when they are young, alpha or beta, aren’t exposed to the jungle enough to know what the score is. Same goes for unmarried men who don’t get laid.
I just finished reading the letters of Ninon de Lenclos to the Marquis De Sevinge, and it’s the most solid and honest defense of game that I’ve ever read, and probably will ever read.
Ninon de Lenclos is probably one of the most logical women to ever comment on love, romance and seduction, and she’s probably the person most qualified to remove all your doubts of game if you’re a nice guy whose having a tough time trying to accept the amorality associated with the pursuit of game.
Here’s a link to the pdf, read it and see for yourself.
Feminism will never work because males are routinely capable of understanding and even sympathizing with the female condition, but the opposite is almost never true.
“40 years can hardly be a period long enough to be part of evolution. What do you guys think, how important is real evolution, and how important is the feminism factor in this equation?”
My thoughts on this are still being developed, but I feel that the effects of evolution are being overstated while culture is understated. Ignoring culture while using only evolutionary explanations for sexual selection will cost today’s man dearly.
You only have to look back a generation or two to see that beta males actually did quite well for a period of time, but things change thanks to things like new technology and shifting of societal/cultural norms. In other words, what helped men land women 50 years ago is not guaranteed to work today.
Roosh, been reading you for over a year and this is your best post to date in my opinion
40 years can hardly be a period long enough to be part of evolution. What do you guys think, how important is real evolution, and how important is the feminism factor in this equation?
“Game” isnt evolution but a response. Women like manly men. Game is a recopilation of behaviors that betas can emulate, or if they want to, become into, so they can attract and have women in the current free market.
In the past, women were raised captive, so betas could get women by providing and keeping them. Now women are free to handle themselves and free to chase alphas for as long as they wish before “settling down”, so betas have not many choices other than become alpha, emulate alpha, or die sexless (or get deviant, gay, or rape).
Then, in a society that bans / shames alphas and says being a man is a bad thing, beta / nice guys arent left with any good choices. For many “becoming alpha” is so distasteful they would rather die, and even “emulating alpha” sounds fucked up, and “wanting to get laid” sort of a crime comparable to rape.
So while freeing women, while its a good thing, you fucked up men. Thanks, feminism. Now that women can earn money and have their say, we should work on bringing men back.
“women who are choosing a husband do not want this kind of guy”
Yes they do. They just aren’t self-aware enough to realize that they don’t actually want what they claim to want. Back when I wasted time being the nice, respectful guy that my single mom told me I should be, I’d have countless women that claimed they wanted to marry a nice, considerate guy turn around and bang an asshole the first night they met. Typically, they’d sit and pine for that asshole for ages.
I wanted to marry a good woman and have kids. Two divorces (and no alimony thankfully) later, I realize that’s a pipe dream. The only marriages I see that last are the ones where they met in high school or college. Honestly, it’s pretty obvious at this point that any woman over 30 that is unmarried probably only has herself to blame for it.
Roosh is correct, but some guys are still confused about what has changed and what hasn’t changed in the last sixty years.
The truth is that the social changes have UNLEASHED the innate desires of both men and women.
Woman have always been inclined to hypergamy. Men have always been inclined to promiscuity.
Remove the social sanctions against players and sluts and we get much closer to the chaotic “state of nature”.
I’m not sure there’s anything good about feminism.
“I will concede that some aspects of feminism are just and proper. Women should have some say of how many children they want, if they want to work, and if they want to get married (and with whom).”
declining birthrates? now china and india rule the future
woman in the workplace? fewer marriages and families which leads to long term social decay and poverty (families preserve wealth more than any other institution)
and choosing whom to marry? that existed before feminism, hardly something that can be credited to feminism.
Feminism seems completely unsustainable in the long run. a disease that consumes more people than it creates
^ that’s me ^
I agree with Workshy Joe, but it has to be added that “in nature” is the converse situation to “in society”.
The suppression of all that feminism unleashed was crucial to maintaining society. Without it, society has broken down to be much less effective than it was previously. The downside to doing so so late is that we don’t have the benefit of natural population checks and balances that exist within nature.. So, now we have a broken society that is vastly overpopulated; therefore, social ills are excessively amplified.
If you want society, then you have to play by the man made rules that allows society to exist and thrive. If you want nature, then go move to an unpopulated island. People must make choices and sacrifices for society to function.
hydrogonian, yeah, but was is society? I rather disappear than sacrifice myself for a society that counts me out
in other words, fuck society and its maintenance if Im not a part of it
and same goes for any society model that exploits a large group of humans: not worthy. reset and start over.
@hydrogonian: I take your point, but I don’t think the genie is going back in the bottle.
It didn’t count you out. You just had a specific and very crucial role in it IF you wanted to be a part of perpetuating it by starting a family. Just like the man had a specific role, which he still does today. Men largely haven’t been excused from their traditional roles, only women have. Most men wouldn’t want to be excused from their roles.
Where feminists got it wrong is that they somehow got it in their heads that they wanted to also have a male role. They thought that men had it better.
Actually, the reality was that women had an elevated status over the men, but a status which also allowed families to survive and thrive. They didn’t have to work (a good thing – and an element of elevated status) and they stayed at home with the kids (great for the family and the kids, not to mention the labor force [less supply of labor meant cheaper goods and higher pay for the males - families could thrive on one income]).
Feminism not only fucked up families but fucked up the labor force economy. Things are twice as expensive now, in ratio to average single person incomes, and so two average incomes are required to raise a family instead of one. This puts increased pressure on everyone.
So, all of this is because women couldn’t be happy int heir societal role. They lacked the logic to see how crucial that role was. We didnt “count you out” then, but women are working hard at “counting themselves out” today by making themselves useless to males.
Actually, it was a small contingent of women who have now made it so that all women are taught that they aren’t really happy unless they forgo their traditional role. That lack of logic has doomed us all to lives that are much more stressful and uncertain than they were 50 years ago.
ps. Its a huge ego that thinks that thousands of years of societal evolution can be “reset” and started over because you have such a die hard belief in your (flawed) logic. Women weren’t exploited any more than men were exploited for their ability to provide. They are just roles that enabled society to thrive.
Laugh if you must but basically feminism is a “social shit test construct” implemented by our overlords to double the tax base of the serfs and empower the idiotic fem-males.An empowered single gal(consumer) living the SATC lifestyle is easier to manipulate than a married woman who have to answer to her husband.
hydrogonian, bro, Im a man.
but yes, the old patriarchy counted women out from the men affairs, and men were deciding what those affairs were. I can see they felt they had their freedom cut because they were
But, yes too, men didnt have it “easier”. Having a job and a career aint freedom, its the quote you pay to survive. So many women now want to go back and have someone else pay their bills. The real world aint fun, per se.
But anyway, I give a shit rat ass about society. As a beta, when I was a beta, it did count me out. Now Im an alpha and it still counts me out. Society right now isnt a place for men. I only have a niche where Im king because I carved it, hard. Not every guy can do the same as I did, so a major change has to happen.
A society that pushes down a large number of people based of gender or color or whatever, I say fuck it. So +1 to feminism for getting rights for women, and -10 for putting men down.
The slave becomes the master just to repeat the same crimes.
Woman became more alpha, man had proportionally became more alpha. It´s an easy equation.
Womans level of alphaness= 1
Mans level of alphaness= 3
in this case man only had to have an alphaness of 2 to get laid.
Womans alphaness increased to 4
Man alphaness stayed in 3 or maybe even decreased to 1,5 due to social pressure.
The thing is that as times passes and if woman become more and more like man, the level of alphaness required for a man will be absurd. Soon if this shit ain´t corrected nature will conform to social evolution.
But it´s my strong belief that mother nature will not forgive this errors. As western soeciety male is becoming weaker and feminine, others societies like China, etc, aren´t. When a war will come nature will have it´s say and torn this our Walt Disney World.
Bin Laden will soon be replaced by a Chinese.
The first step to not act like a wimp in front of women and agreeing to everything they say is to not act like a wimp in front of other men and not agree to every they say.
Sadly, this is what many do here, agree with whatever new post Roosh will make.
It’s cool that a guy opens a blog to share his experiences trying to game abroad and giving tips on this basis.
It starts to get annoying though when this guy starts to act like a Guru because a bunch of loosers (beta) take everything he says as God’s law.
It gets downright pathetic when this same guy thinks it entitles him to talk as if he was a sociologist.
Roosh, please, go and read a bit about feminism and gender studies. Gender differences are not natural and feminism is just women who got tired of having the shitty role. It’s perfectly possible to game and accept this fact.
Unexpected, but not unappreciated. Nice post.
Offtopic, and possible post topic: Un- or under-employed middle class girls from decent colleges make for great targets. Doubly so if her finances don’t permit her to go out much or live on her own.
Gender differences are not natural
Which ones? because I can list a lot of natural differences. Did you mean that not all cultural rules are natural? or…?
“Roosh, please, go and read a bit about… gender studies.”
Girl trolls do a very poor job hiding their gender.
What ceases to amaze me is how positively open feminists react to alpha ways, which should be their antithesis. Feminists strive to “break free from domineering men” but as soon as you actually dominate one she is absolute puddy in your hands.
If this doesn’t express the ridiculousness of female logic I dont know what does. To think they want to put a woman in the White House.
THE central post on this website !
Respect to Roosh as he has understood todays relationship between men and women.
What feminism / women cant stand is a beta with power. A beta with the power to keep them trapped. If they get free, they go chase, capture, breed and keep the alpha man. Thats their wiring.
Feminism is a revolution against beta.
yohami there’s a difference between gender and (biological)sex.
The biological “natural” differences between men and women are obviously our bodies and the fact that women get pregnant…. all the rest is just social constructions.
Roosh…. sorry to break it up to you, but I am a guy. And even worst, I am not by any means what you call beta nor am I frustrated and living a sex-less life thank you very much.
However your ad hominem attack, saying that I supposaly was a girl implies that you are unable to take criticism.
Have you actually ever read some serious scientific investigations about gender issues? Probably not, so keep to what you do best, giving travel and pick up tips, fits you better.
Now on an invididual level I think you need to think you are superior to girls you interact with if you want to pick up.
It’s obviously a contradiction, personnally I don’t care so much and accept that yes, I’m full of contradictions. I am not going to change a history of male domination. However this doesn’t mean I need to go on clueless sexist rants to legitimize my behavior.
You just paraphrased yourself
all the rest is just social constructions.
what specifically? what are you talking about, really.
“Feminists strive to “break free from domineering men” but as soon as you actually dominate one she is absolute puddy in your hands.
If this doesn’t express the ridiculousness of female logic I dont know what does.”
Actually, it’s quite ingenious if you think about it as it really is. Feminism tends to function as an elaborate shit test, getting men to reveal their true location on the alpha-beta-omega scale.
I’d give you that if that was what women intended by being feminists. If it really was a plot to weed out the weak then yes I’d give them credit for being ingenious, but thats not what they intend. Weeding out betas is just a natural side effect.
I’m talking about all the typical behavior we tend to think as naturally masculine or feminine.
For examples the idea that men are by nature impulsive and ambitious while women are supposed to be introverted, passive and calm.
Research has shown that some of these can be true (obviously), but only because from the day we are born men and women are educated very differently. Not because men are naturally predisposed to be ambitious, and women to be soft and caring.
(And when I say research I mean actual scientific research, not some random thoughts on an internet blog )
The problem is that these “feminine” behaviors generally tend to give women the worst positions in society (worst jobs, little careers, much more domestic work then men etc.). Basic feminism comes from some women getting tired of this, who can blame them? Just like it’s understandable that american blacks fighted against segregation 50 years ago, jews fighting against anti-semitism etc.
But of course feminism is a complex and heterogeneous movement, and like all others, feminists are also full of their own contradictions.
The second problem is that as men, our environment and our education makes us more attracted to what is “feminine” in women. IE we are attracted to the behaviors that make women inferior to men in our societies.
And women are educated into liking what is “masculine” (alpha) in men, ie what makes them inferior too.
Personally I want to get laid as much as I can and with the women I find the hottest. This means that I have to put all this shit aside and think about my own fulfillment and happiness before issues of gender equality. I accept it.
But again, at least I think we at least should have the decency to not try and make things worst.
The point of feminism was exactly too weed out betas.
Women wanted the freedom to be sluts in order to fuck whomever they want…..and they always want to fuck alphas ….many of whom are not providers of children and pump n dumpers.
Look at the ghetto. The triumph of feminism.
Betas get no love
Alpha get all the sex they can handle
Tons of unmarried women with bastard kids
Total community in chaos and disfunction
The dysfunction isn’t just relegated to Shaniqua and Maria. The black/mexican ghetto model is expanding to other areas, including white suburban areas. They too are feeling the brunt of feminism and hypergamy unleashed. I’d guess seventy percent of the girls I went to high school with are baby mamas now. Impregnated by alphas of course, who they share with other women in the harem. Susie Sucksalot wouldn’t have it any other way.
@41 Rooks –
Did you seriously just compared women having to cook and clean to Jim Crow laws and the jewish persecution by nazis?
@42 mel –
Ghetto is a bad example. In my experience, growing up in inner city ohio the loudest strongest bitches actually ended up fucking the more beta guys because they didnt challenge them. Ghetto beta guys aren’t like hipster or nerdy betas though, they’re still masculine, but they’re still yes men that constantly give the girl compliments and buy her shit.
Look at most rappers, the epitome of “ghetto alpha” they roll in expensive cars, decked out in all kinds of expensive shit, and talk about how they buy expensive booze (Cristal mothafucka) This is all to get bitches. Using material goods to get girls, to me, goes against the very idea of having game and being alpha.
Research has shown that some of these can be true (obviously)
Which ones are obviously true? you just said all of them were socially constructed (meaning false)?
A woman is invisible to me unless she makes me chub out by standing in front of me.
Seriously. Girls, at their best are just….BORING AS HELL.
Except for fucking. Doggystyle.
Why any man would invest his time, money, and trust in a girl in this culture, where easy sex is there for the taking, is unbelievable to me.
@44 Chad Daring…good points, except you went a little too far with regards to the “Ghetto Alpha” using the trappings of wealth, instead of actual game, to get girls. The fact that he has these trappings doesn’t mean he doesn’t have game. In fact, it requires some alphaness to be able to hustle to afford the trappings. Other wealthy men, while not having shit that’s quite so gaudy, also attract and get women with their trappings. These guys don’t buy women anything – they let them orbit and partake of that champagne, then get fucked and put in a cab home if they’re lucky. They aren’t doing all that JUST to get girls. They’re enjoying their success, which naturally attracts groupie chicks. You see a great many pro athletes get played for their money after marrying glorified groupies and getting rolled for half their shit. Many of these guys are gameless, and only get girls because they’re famous.
“The biological “natural” differences between men and women are obviously our bodies and the fact that women get pregnant…. all the rest is just social constructions.”
Sorry, this is about as same bullshit as Marxist theory of class struggle.
Hormones influence behavior and evolution shapes behavior.
Basically, gender studies fanatics claim that the last few hundred years have more effect on humans than the several million years that our ancestors spent on African plains.
The fact that educated people believe them just sadly reflects on the contemporary state of biology education in the US. Maybe that is because evolution is a hot topic there and many schools tacitly avoid details.
“declining birthrates? now china and india rule the future”
What’s wrong with China and India ruling the future?
used to play a game with my buddies when we met lawyers chicks or female whatever PhD program students. we’d see how long she’d shit test before eventually openly and flagrantly flirting….almost never failed.
as for women…play the game to the bone if you want to get laid in America. it won’t be that great anyway. the random American girls I banged or SNL’d over the years were rarely worth even that. my ex was the ONLY American girl I ever dated worth anything….but I was so blind from all else I knew about women…i didn’t appreciate it.
my advice to the rest? go abroad. DO NOT marry a woman resembling the average American woman.
BTW As far as declining birth rates go, you will not find a worse collapse than in China and proximity (Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan).
China is demographically an aging country already. Their # of 18-yos peaked in 2010 and it is going to slide from that moment on.
Even the Party considers repealing the One Child Policy, probably too late, as the model is already fixed in the culture and in people’s heads.
I expressed myself badly (english is not my first language). When I said that they were true I actually meant that they can actually be observed (it’s true that men tend to be more impulsive), though they are not caused by biology but by our education and social environments.
Scientists, including social scientists of course, don’t tell the absolute “truth”. They present results that can be verified and can serve to explain the world around us, but they are heavily influenced by their own education and social environment. (this is a basic of epistemology, which all good scientists know about).
Research about hormones reflects just that and applied our cultural gender conceptions to the little chemical secretions they were discovering. In the end the idea that there are sex hormones is very debated and there is no clear consensus around it.
You can check A. Fausto-Sterling’s vulgarisation work on the subject: Sexing the body.
You can find a preview here on google books(from p146 onwards)
Does it really Latin America girls are still not affected by feminism?
I happen to live there and seriously this set of behaviours described by PUAs are starting to make sense to me. Maybe the girls here are a little more prudish, but even that is still changing.
Feminism is becoming worldwide.
As for the theory of evolution, it has gone a long way from Darwin’s initial work. If it is indeed the best paradigm today used to explain the world around us, the theory of of sexual selection, cannot can’t be applied to humans as empirical data shows. It’s just not how it works.
It’s a bit like the “social darwinists” who try to use the theory of evolution as a way to legitimize classism or racism.
Rooks I may agree with you that gender is a social construction if you can give me historical accounts of women building tribal alliances, starting wars, invading villages, and kidnapping and raping men in order to accumulate resources and gain power.
Maximus: They are but in our lifetimes it won’t be as bad as what it is now in American and other Western countries.
When I said that they were true I actually meant that they can actually be observed (it’s true that men tend to be more impulsive), though they are not caused by biology but by our education and social environments.
Can you be specific and list the traits that are socially constructed and dont have a biological source?
This is like the fourth time I ask the same. Hello.
Rooks, I am with Roosh on this. Show me a culture which had women doing the above activities.
There have been literally thousands of very different cultures on this earth just in the last 3000 years. Many of them held women in high regard and didn’t block them from reaching the highest social positions, including queens and priestesses. This is one, big, not just big – immensely huge – test environment. At least 50 billion people have lived in the meantime, in tens of thousands of tribes and states! You can’t wish for a bigger laboratory.
If the theory that gender differences are a social construct was onto something, you would probably see at least one rape-and-genocide conquest inspired, planned and led by women. You would probably see at least one exploratory expedition led by women. Etc.
So sorry, the basic axiom of gender studies does not hold under empiric evidence.
As for Darwin, “can’t be applied to humans as empirical data shows. It’s just not how it works.” – support it with some observations.
BTW Rooks, I am a mathematician by training, and I must tell you that mathematicians, physicists etc. usually do not consider social scientists to be scientists at all, because social theories mostly resemble an ideology and usually are created as entirely un-falsifiable.
a friend of mine is a mormon and i couldnt believe what i saw in their community all the men are betas but still have the pick of much younger very attractive woman,game here is is not required, and feminism is actually viewed as something evil,what a gold mine of pussy i discovered here
If feminism kills nice guys, then why are the most feminized countries (Scandinavian countries) full of so many “nice guy” betas?
I think feminism will have negative effects, but it does leave one to wonder.
It could be that the USA is so demographically different than Scandinavian countries that the two aren’t even comparable.
Nevertheless, the worst thing about feminism isn’t what it has done to men but what it did to the modern family unit.
Single motherhood is a poor substitute for the nuclear family. In fact, the only worse substitute is no family at all.
Yet, modern feminism not only excuses single motherhood, it champions it.
If single motherhood continues to rise, then expect a whole host of problems to rise as well.
I wonder what the idiot feminists will tell themselves when they have an entire generation of “clockwork orange” like hooligans prowling the street for some “in out in out.”
“The second problem is that as men, our environment and our education makes us more attracted to what is “feminine” in women. IE we are attracted to the behaviors that make women inferior to men in our societies.
And women are educated into liking what is “masculine” (alpha) in men, ie what makes them inferior too.”
Holy crap you’re brainwashed (or a good troll). Damn society for keeping me from enjoying women with mannish faces!
“Have you actually ever read some serious scientific investigations about gender issues?”
rooks have you ever read scientific studies on rape fantasies? that is all the proof anyone needs that men and women are not equal. women WANT to be subjugated.
“The problem is that these “feminine” behaviors generally tend to give women the worst positions in society (worst jobs, little careers, much more domestic work then men etc.). Basic feminism comes from some women getting tired of this, who can blame them? Just like it’s understandable that american blacks fighted against segregation 50 years ago, jews fighting against anti-semitism etc.”
this argument also doesn’t fly. hardly anyone is going to argue that race has a biological basis, but sex has a huge bioloical basis, which you have yet to explain in detail at all how it might NOT. it does.
the most basic argument is a biological/economic one. women have 400 lifeime eggs, while every man on this forum produced 12 million sperm in the last hour. we all have an overabundance of something they need very little of. women have all the power in mate selection. basic feminism arrises out of the fact that men have slowly lost status over 200 years. it was male role envy that ended up pouncing at the right time.
Mr. T: This is an American blog, not Scandinavian. Different set of conditions there. I’m not going to go into exceptions when I talk about feminism in general.
@59.Dude I know, so true, on the mormon girls,+they are mad hot too.I used to think Cathlic girls were little horny freaks until I lived out west usa some years ago and met some mormon girls.I just dont feel like converting.lol
@ 59 and 65, yes true, but you really have to pick just one if you want to stay in their community. marriage is still expected of you.the girls are repressed and you can get a few easy bangs, but imo, most are still prudes/waiting for marriage. is that really a win?
“feminism kills nice guys, then why are the most feminized countries (Scandinavian countries) full of so many “nice guy” betas?”
there’s more in your country because you have a bigger welfare state. thus more pussy-betas. they are dying in this country because the government is not yet de fact babydaddy/husband/therapist and many men are defying their role as beta, or women are whipping it out of us because we just can’t take being punks. there’s a fire under our asses here and that’s why the betas are dying. how is scandanavian marriage? game is probably more universal than you want to admit
“…all the rest is[sic] just social constructions. ”
Snort, chuckle, guffaw.
That’s just a feminist ideology.
Roosh’s article: “While it doesn’t look good for you in terms of marriage, at the minimum any educated, employed man in a first-world nation should be able to sleep with a handful of decent women a year. But without having sexist beliefs, he will wholeheartedly struggle in that front. Here’s what it means to be a sexist:
* Having a low level of respect for women.”
A well written article Roosh but i gotta tell ya it is more of an argument to flee this stupid wasteland than anything. Fact is it the USA has become a socially toxic environment, and sex has become less about meeting a female you might actually like, but instead just grudge fucking when you need to dump your load. This is not at all healthy. There are other places in the world to live that a man can and be much happier. Face the fact: The United States is an empty shell of what was once a great nation. RIP
“What’s wrong with China and India ruling the future?”
Who knows if they’ll be any better than the current state of affairs? The point is that we won’t be ruling it because feminism killed (by snuffing birthrates) our culture.
“BTW As far as declining birth rates go, you will not find a worse collapse than in China and proximity (Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan).
China is demographically an aging country already. Their # of 18-yos peaked in 2010 and it is going to slide from that moment on.
Even the Party considers repealing the One Child Policy, probably too late, as the model is already fixed in the culture and in people’s heads.”
China is a good 50 years behind us. They have plenty of time to get birthrates up
This is spot on roosh , even as fucked up as it is. Spot On.
Samseau, they indeed have plenty of time to get birthrates up, but this is an immensely hard task. Even the DDR had only very limited success in getting the middle class (not the upper class) to procreate more actively. This is really hard to do.
As I write this, Iranian government tries to persuade Persians to procreate. Not even Islam helps them. The overall birthrate in Iran is around 1.9, but it is kept up only by the wild tribes of Balochistan. The urban Persians that always formed the core of Iranian state have birthrate about 1.1-1.3 per woman, with some Tehranian neighbourhoods around 1.0.
There is a lot of great stuff in this thread of comments, almost all the way down the board. Men are getting very smart. Good stuff. Roosh should be proud of starting this dialogue.
I agree that feminism sucks, but I don’t agree completely with this article. Women have always liked masculine men, the same way we like hot, feminine women. A masculine personality is a large part of what attracts women. Feminism didn’t kill the Nice Guy, it created him. Feminism neuters men and makes them unattractive to women. It makes it difficult for men to please the hypergamous instincts of women. It lets hypergamy go out of bounds. Men have always known that they are better than women, but feminism tried to make us believe that we were both equal and we believed it. However, now we know better.
Most men are naturally masculine, game just helps you release that part of you that is aching to come out.
Feminism is killing India too. Atleast that what I got from EW’s papers on India
Also India is way too heterogeneous. Not homogeneous like China
If you want proof of how feminists themselves don’t want beta, feminist men then check this interview with professional feminist Jaclyn Friedman:
One of many entertaining quotes:
“I hate to be critical of our allies in any way, because we need them, but there’s something about that certain kind of hyperfeminist guy that makes them unappealing to date, to me. I suspect it has something to do with our internal conceptions of masculinity, which is terrible on my part.”
She also goes on and on (and on) about rape culture…draw your own conclusions.
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“Feminism is killing India too. Atleast that what I got from EW’s papers on India”
Svar, WHO is E W ??
“I have no sympathy for the modern women, because I know she’d throw me right over the golden gate bridge for a higher level alpha”
Shit, I forgot to get email notifications. EW is Elusive Wapiti
We are witnessing a dynamic collapse..and we all know that feminism is one of the root causes for this collapse. No need for a sociologist or economist to tell us that. Its very self evident.
American women should be ashamed of themselves and be prepared to face the consequences of what’s coming their way in the near future.
Butthurt virgin spotted.
It’s true feminism fucked up the west and we can blame America for that- the place where it pretty much all started- and it started with middle class white American women right after world war 2 after white man was left all weak and fucked up from two of the largest wars in history- I agree with half of what this guy says especially about having to be sexist to get girls- pro-feminist guys are just not masculine at all and masculinity has nothing to do with the size of your arm it’s your mindset- I have no idea what alpha and beta males are probably categories americans made up but put it this way I knew nothing about stupid books like ‘the game’ when I sleazed around when I was younger- just need confidence-go out to bars/pubs or even use the net- but in the end keeping them is harder than getting them- slutting around won’t change anyway- only taking their which is near impossible since feminism is part of political correctness (AKA: anti-white male) you think women want equality? No no no they think and want to be better than men when clearly they are not- the reason birthrates are going down is because white don’t want children until they’ve plowed the field and found their rich man to settle down- but generally they see children as a burden – generally speaking the famous quote “give women the world and they”ll shit on you” is very true when it comes to the feminist movement that started in the 60′s and 70′s- Yeh fuck em – men will always be better than them I don’t give a fuck
Here’s what you need to know about Western feminism:
As I write this Anders Breivik has just gone on his rampage. In Oslo 80-90% of the rapes that take place are committed by “non-Westerners”, and you can bet that virtually all of their victims are natives. Feminism remains silent. That enabling of this particular form of war-crime is no doubt part of what motivated Breivik. The same is true in America, virtually all interracial rape involves whites as victims, all to the silence of feminists. Organized feminism is white-hating racism and crypto-communism by another name, composed of virulent leftist cult fanatics, fat girls who didn’t get asked to the prom, Jewish girls who are too horse-faced to compete with Western women, girls with daddy issues, etc., all working out other issues and pretending its about sexual equality. It shouldn’t be treated as if it were a serious philosophy, it isn’t; like the rest of leftism doesn’t live up to its own professed standards. It won’t even come out against mass-rape if the racial/political angle is politically correct.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING. MANY GUYS SAY… U ARE THE DEVIL FOR WOMEN. I SAY..NO, I DO WHAT IS EFFECTIVE. THIS IS ALL THE TRUTH!!!! ABSOLUTE TRUTH.
BUT YOU KNOW WHAT ROOSH… THE GUYS WHO CANT SEE THIS, WILL NEVER GET IT. THEY WILL FIGHT WITH YOU AND SAY… YOUR ARE NOT TREATING WOMEN RIGHT. THIS IS WHY ONLY CERTAIN GUYS HAVE THERE WAY WITH GIRLS…AND CERTAIN DONT.
I’m a woman and I completely agree with you opinion, not just this article, but everything you’ve said on your blog. As a woman, I understand that women are inferior to men, I’m not even talking about religious things, it is just a fact, men are physically and mentally stronger, smarter and more intelligent. They are just better than us. Our role as women should be to help and serve men, clean, cook for them and to bear their children. Women enjoy raising children while men are in charge to more important things. They have higher responsibilities and all us women have to do is to listen to the men in our lives and follow their commands. We should just be honest, sweet and good girls, let them fuck us whenever and however the men in our lives want, suck their cocks and bear his children. Nature has made it this way, why can’t we just do what we are supposed to do?
I am so sick of all the stupid feminist women around these days, they don’t know what they are talking about but they do not want to listen to men because they just want to be like men. But we are not men and will never be men.
Basically I just want to thank you for writing such an intelligent and insightful blog. We need more men like you in the society, genders are becoming a mess these days. Sorry to disturb your blog, but I am really grateful for your blog.
You know what it boils down to; Evolution is not politically correct, sorry Feminism :(
Wow, refined and masterful troll. Especiall with the ‘Sorry to disturb your blog part.’
I salute you.
“Woman” is pretty spot on, and there are many women like that, but unfortunately, their voices are suppressed by the resentful whores/dykes that are susceptible to the intellectually bankrupt (not to mention morally and philosophically bankrupt) fraud of feminism.
She only reveals herself for a troll with the line “[we should] let them fuck us whenever and however the men in our lives want” … first, because the type of well-turned-out woman who had these views wouldn’t speak crassly like that, and second, because that’s pushing it too far: in a well-ordered society the point is that the better women are protected from men having their way with them like that. The *present* condition is that the (alpha) males are allowed to “fuck them whenever and however they want, get their cocks sucked, bear children (without investment), etc.”
Funny though that *everything* else she wrote is spot on, whereas she thinks she’s being clever and sarcastic! Hilarious
Slaying the Slut:
Playing devils advocate, consider this situation carefully, and then ask yourself as a human, then as a man, if it’s really all that foreign to you why women these days make the choices they do.
Historically, women had little choice in their vocation and being a wife and mother was the natural path for the majority of females. The fact that they would be the mother of children and obedient wives made sense given the cultural environment. This is not to suggest that women did not wield power, but their domain, and sphere of influence, was largely behind the scenes, running the household. Women were groomed from an early age in all things domestic and taught to be of service to their families and husbands.
Today women have many choices as to their desired vocation in life. Women can virtually be anything they want. To a much lesser degree it is also true that women are still taught from a very early age that they are to be “nurturing”, “sensitive” “caring” “pretty” and all the host of typically feminine traits that imparted upon women through cultural standards from an early age.
I am grossly over-simplifying for the sake of space, but given that women have much greater choices than ever before and are still, to a certain degree, considered and groomed to be the leaders of the domestic household in addition to their maternal duties, is it really any surprise to anyone that the act the way they do?
What it comes down to is that the relative value of a womans traditional “services” (child birth and rearing, wifery… &c) have become higher, not due to the fact that men have become spineless cowards or that there is somewhere a beta conspiracy to infest the world with man-boys that are unable to take on traditional roles (more on that later).
The simple fact may be that women are a lot less likely to supply their services to society when there is no need to. Women are self sufficiently capable of creating fulfilling lives for them selves outside of a traditional role. The price of a womb is, in fact, so astronomically high in western society that most young women are happy to settle into a role typically reserved for the career focused, hypergamous male until they find the right “price”.
Given the choice between “selling” your “services” for less than what you perceive them to be worth and waiting for the right buyer, most people will wait if they think there is a serious chance they will find the right “buyer”. This is a simple concept to understand.
Unfortunately, this situation has lead to a few unfortunate side effects. Men, for the most part, don’t understand that the price of the traditional concept of family has risen beyond the means of most men to pay. This womb/wife bubble will surely one day pop, but it has left a lot of men standing around with their dicks (literally) in their hands saying “what the fuck?!”
Another side effect of the increased choices that women have for themselves is that many often wait so long to find the right “buyer” that they never sell and resign themselves to a lifetime of feline fancy. In the meantime, happily riding the cock carousel until, dizzy, they are unceremoniously spat off.
Where does the “Alpha” come in all of this? Really, the so called modern “Alpha” is the winner by default, not because his skills were imparted by eons of careful evolutionary sculpting, but because he was in the right place at the right time. While women became turbo charged, the typical male was left in the covered wagon to eat the dust. The typical “Alpha” male is no more able to create the traditional sort of viable family situations needed by any self sustaining society, though often they are thrust (haha) into this role by the ticking bomb that is woman.
The typical “Alpha” male is the primary beneficiary of much of this modern mess, but, and this is an honest question, is it because they are truly “superior” to other men? Are they really the cure for an ailing society or a symptom? Do they really, inherently, have better skills than so called “beta” males or, are they simply, like vultures, there to clean up the mess that is modern women, when they, inevitably and inexorably, Lindsay Lohan themselves headlong into oblivion.
I for one am not complaining about the benefits that I have received at the hand (and mouth and thighs) of these women, but I do consider it the long run an unsustainable situation. I think that while it is important to be able to “handle” the often-less-than-fairer sex as Roosh and others describe, I also think it is important for the majority of would-be-Men to keep in mind that our strength in society comes from the ground-up. We need to sustain strong families and strong community to continue to be competitive and creative in all aspects as a culture.
Many so called “betas” decry the fact that the assholes and players are dominating the field with tactics that they find dishonorable. Well, that may be true, but if you abandon the battle field because your adversary is using Gorilla(mis-spelling on purpose) tactics whilst the rest are stuck lining up like British red-coats , then there is no one but you to blame. We are men, we fight and adapt. That is our game.
So, while it is good and fine to “Bang” as many chicks as you can, in the long run, assholes just shit everywhere (to borrow a line from my favorite piece of cinema).
Men need to restore balance and to fashion ourselves so as to create high enough value that husbands and fathers are in high demand again. This is necessary for the continued survival of “western” society in the sense of keeping the “barbarians” out. We risk abandoning our culture to the rabbit like breeding, stone age dwelling, myth loving neanderthals all over this planet that still have the good sense to multiply.
Ultimately, the final “Bang” should be the sound made by the popping of the greatest bubble in history: the relative value of the modern she-male. This will only be done by “betas” sacking up and reclaiming their rights.
Sites like Roosh’s and Roissy’s are invaluable how-to for the the hordes of man-boys. Just remember to ask yourself what is exactly the real prize and price? Does becoming an “alpha” necessarily mean becoming a cultural scavenger? I’ve learned one thing in my life: at some point comes a day of reckoning. Is it wrong for me to have this idea that I want to die fighting for something of lasting value rather than trying to explain that whilst my community burned, I was, however sweet it may be, chasing pussy?
You tipped off that you were trolling with the following statement.
“Women enjoy raising children while men are in charge to more important things.”
Any woman who enjoys raising children also knows that the most important thing is birthing and raising another generation to REPLACE THE OLDER ONE.
Making sure the human race survives and continues is pretty damn important.
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Like you’re going to get laid. Ever. :D
When I say I’m a feminist I mean that men and women should be completed as complete equals. That means no favoring women in divorce courts or giving them a position they didn’t deserve just for being female. I mean truly equalizing the playing field.
I started college this year, the first time politics came up I told all the broads they shouldn’t have the vote. They reacted with shock and faux-anger but it’s had a noticeable effect (I’ve already picked up one of the only hot ones in the class), and they all love me except for a couple of the haggish ones who I make a point to dump on.
“But you must believe that you are superior and deserve more than them. With the addition of game practice, you will then be sexually rewarded for those beliefs”. So, you promote sexism as the most efficient weapon to have sex with LADIES? or to have sex with tramps? i bet my money on the 2nd one! This may actually result with american girls. Say that here in Europe and you’ll be slapped in the face so fast you wont even see it comming. Believe me, i HAVE seen it happening before. It is true it is effective with the dumbest ones, and with the girls who just want some sex, but, if they have some knowledge, which is rare these days, then you’re out of luck. Have you ever wondered why girls prefer french guys rather than american guys? Because they’re actually SENSITIVE. and the first thing they do is to defend women’s rights! You only talk about poor countries where women dont even know what is a right. Well, come to Europe, to France, Holland, Switzerland, Finland, Spain, and see feminism in their maximum level. And you know what you’ll conclude? well, you’ll conclude that a feminist girl is the best one you’ll have. Because she’s an eloquent girl, with whom you can have a nice conversation, has a GREAT job, a house, and take care of their body (yes, because in countries like germany, their snacks are vegetables or fruit, and it is prohibited for children to take candies to school). MAYBE GIRLS DONT WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH YOU because you think just like that and you’re waaaaaay to insensitive. Typical american. You despize women as they’re garbage and sex toys. Still blamming women for your lack of sex? Hum. I guess its time for you to take a look at yourself again and see that you’re the main problem.
Oh, and for your information, I’m portuguese, I have NEVER been in America, in fact, never left Europe, so i’m not an american girl with pms getting angry at your post. Just wanted to say my opinion
You aren’t an alpha. You are a p***y. Sorry, but you don’t just “become an alpha. You whiny lil cunt. Real alpha’s would chew you up and spit you out. Go back to being an emotional fembag.
” It is true it is effective with the dumbest ones, and with the girls who just want some sex, but, if they have some knowledge, which is rare these days…”
Take a second to read that, and then calm down and think about it.
Also, the concept isn’t to tell women they’re inferior. It’s about exuding a level of confidence that shows no fear of the power of sexuality, which is the strongest tool women have with which to influence men.
I’ve always been calm. I did think about it, and what i meant was that some girls want to be played like that, others, are smart and just want someone to love them, but, there are still naif ones who just want to be loved… Therefore, this isn’t correct. And i think that, since he’s an eloquent guy, who wrote many book about this, if he wanted to say exactly what you did, he’d have done it. So, in my opinion, he wanted to say exactly what he wrote. which isn’t correct.. At least that’s what i think.
Lol, this can’t be serious. If it is a parody of sexist, inherently unfuckable (to any woman with half a brain) douche-bags you did a great job! If you are serious (god forbid)… That’s just too sad.
‘Oh boo hoo the plight of the poor middle class white man. We’re so hard done by waa waa!’ Grow a pair you fucking bunch if babies if you really are “alpha men” (lol!) you would have no problem with women being equal because you would be confident enough to handle a bit if competition!!! Alphas don’t spend all their time sitting on the computer wining they get out there. You’re all pathetic losers.
Wanna get laid? Don’t treat women as if they’re objects. Don’t act as if you are entitled to their bodies. Don’t get offended when she is better than you at something, or stronger than you, or when she stands up for herself. Don’t keep pursuing her when she is not interested. Don’t tell her you’ll change her mind when she says she is a lesbian. Don’t ask if you can watch when she says she is a lesbian. Don’t demonize her if she chooses to have sex promiscuously.
Feminists are very pro-sex.
Forget Western woman,they all the same. Get asian girls they gentle
They give beautifull kids! Why must we go to weatern low levels.
Asai is on the rise, West is falling, morals and economically.
Listen to me let’s go East. Leave the Lesbians !
Why fight them if they don’t want to listen.
Just ignore and leave them. If you need sex pay for it no moaning and rape acquisitions. Move on , they don’t respect us, so why respect them.
Guys guys guys listen to me! If you want sex go buy it,
No rape claims
Marry Asian woman, they are gentle and still got self respect.
Leave the feminist and gay/lesbians.
Why fight them! they hate you anyway.
If we leave them they will realize men have left the building
The West has fallen, economically and morally.
Move to the East. You will never regret it.
In my opinion feminism is a short lived phenomenon. The current version is on its way out. I say this because it is clearly unsustainable. Any society that adopts it is replaced by one that does not. America is rapidly becoming Latinaized. while I cannot predict the future I can say feminism has drastically changed family structure and family life. You make a drastic change to society there are going to be all kinds of consequences many which are impossible to predict. Like this forum and its ideas.
When i was in my teens, all i wanted to do was get married and have kids and love my husband. I was never into women’s lib, or the hippie-free love movement.When i got married, i thought it would be forever! My husband deserted me and my son, and had a relationship with another woman.He tried to starve me and my son to death, I had no job, because he did not want me to work.When i left him, my son was 4 years old and he had an outside child that was 2.I was a woman that tried to be a good wife and submit to her husband. All it got me, was single parenthood, which was a living Hell!When i married my husband, i was a virgin, i was 20, pretty and skinny. I would have given him all the sex, he wanted if only he stayed home instead chasing sluts.Singlr motherhood, is not glourious, it’s sad, scar, and very difficult. After i got my divorce, i got a job and me and my son never went hungry again.So much for being a good girl!
I’m a girl and I HATE it when slutty women use the excuse “but men sleep around all the time” and “we women are just doing now what men have been doing for centuries.” The thing is: WE’RE NOT MEN. Women were NEVER meant to sleep around because of the whole pregnancy thing. Birth control changed that. Thanks a lot, birth control…
Jeez, you’re a bunch of sad lonely guys…
Wow Roosh, for someone who is a CRITICAL THINKER– You don’t think very deeply. The reason why most relationships fall apart is because of differences of opinions aka CONFLICT. Just like every other relationship. If you were in a relationship with another male, you’d think it would not fall apart? Blaming it on feminism? You have a serious chip on your shoulder. You may be intelligent, but your logical reasoning has negative emotional undertones. When people have negative emotions, they have to blame something– they often attribute it to people’s physical exterior (in your case: gender). Just like when there is an interracial crime where someone will blame the actions of the individual on their race versus the person themselves.
Just challenge your own assumptions.
Btw, I know 2 of the girls you fucked. They said you were so HORRIBLE in bed they wanted to have dementia. They said you were too much of a wussy to do oral too.
Have a great day :)
No actually it has been proven that evolution is faster than suspected. In subtle ways of course. They left a dozen forest lizards in a completely different island environment, and in 7 weeks, “7 WEEKS!!”, the lizards grew horned scales and webbed feet. They didn’t become an entirely different species, but they did change. Of course man not being completely reptilian is more resistant to change. But the mind evolves faster than a ferrari, in both sexes. We don’t change in appearance because we’ve been safe from all other living forms for about 10000 years (unless you believe dinosaurs lived 2000 years ago).
does the separation of worlds on earth ever slow down? I cannot see a way it would, We are on the brink of fatal systemic failure, escape USA while you can and there is where to.
Roosh, as an ex-nice guy (like you and so many other men), I can only say this about your article: thank you. It is a fucking textbook article, like many of your other articles. I wish I had understood all this years ago. I agree completely! When you are a whipped nice guy who only cared for others before him, women will spit at you. Women especially mistake kindness for weakness. Whether we were being nice and wanted to fuck them or not, does not matter: we were still nice to them. And what we were getting back? Humiliation. I agree about thinking of women as equal, it’s just not good enough. When instead you realize that the world was built by MEN, not by women, and that in fact you MUST have the strong belief that you are superior to women, simply because YOU ARE THE FUCKING MAN, then all of a sudden they respect you for it. It’s amazing. As you wrote , it IS a fucked up world. But, like a woman, you don’t need to understand why it works the way it works, only HOW it works: you push a button and you get a certain result. If we were to waste our valuable time and energies to understand why women and the world works the way they do, we would go fucking insane. Yes, who gives a shit about her dreams, her ridiculous logic, her nonsense. Just fuck her,
satisfy your sexual desire, and live in your reality, not in hers. The world was built by men. Every work of art, from the Sistine Chapel to a Ferrari supercar to computers and space-shuttles, were made by men. Occasionally a few women had brains and made innovations and took strides in the history of mankind, for example Lucrezia Borgia, who was highly skilled in politics, but these examples are few.
Yes, men became too nice. But now something is changing. I too am against abuse etc but we’ll better learn how to put women in their place by being the prick, the asshole who is not too impressed by her beauty and who sees her just as another human being with a couple warm holes down there where we can shove our cocks. LOL
Interesting how this article comes up at the top of the list for google searching information on third wave feminism.
I think blogs like this tend to attract males who generally have difficulty with women. Why would a guy who is completely happy with his sex and personal life waste his time reading information on something he obviously has no problems with.
I think these types of guys build up so much sexual frustration and resentment towards women that information like this just reads like a manifesto.
Don’t get me wrong, the information provided on sites like this will get you laid, but generally with only a certain type of woman. The women the author talks about encountering who will throw themselves at men after a drink or a brief conversation generally have self esteem issues. Women like this are instinctually attracted to dominant and abusive men. So naturally acting dominate and abusive towards these types will get you laid as much as you desire.
So have fun with your damaged goods, oh and the best of the female gender will always see through your bullshit and be forever out of your reach.
I’m a successful married man in my early 50′s with a great wife and a very large income. So I should fit into your category of men who would not “waste his time reading information on something he obviously has no problems with”, but I do because the issues of life are beyond my personal state of being.
The reason there are gender problems today is because men in the past ignored all the feminist nonsense, instead choosing to act like they were above it. And that opened the door for it to spread like a cancer. I don’t know your age, but you are no different from them, you are either a spineless fool playing the role of a big shot or an extremely dim-whited self-centered playboy who thinks he is too cool to ever have problems. Although I am not directly effected by these issues I still care about them because they are real and need to be discussed if they are to be corrected.
wise words, Roosh. I too was a nice guy and I learned to feel superior to women. And became a prick, like you. It’s great to be a prick.
Let’s face the fucking facts….men built the world, not women.
Tristan, you are completely full of shit.
I have had problems because I was a nice guy, not because I now know I am superior to a woman, which I am, since I have learned things that the average woman cannot, and since I have discovered, with the help of guys like Roosh, my masculinity.
Which I had even before, but was mindfucked by things that Roosh often mentions.
You are obviously a woman, or a man who thinks like a woman, since your depth of though is very shallow , demonstrated by your judgements, i.e. ‘if you read this blog, you must be unhappy, a loser, etc’.
A loser, I am not. As for happy, I frankly don’t give a fuck about it. To me the word ‘happiness’ is like hearing a little girl talking about Mary Poppins: it makes me smile.
Look, work harder and learn more instead of talking nonsense, it makes more sense.
”Btw, I know 2 of the girls you fucked. They said you were so HORRIBLE in bed they wanted to have dementia. ”
Who gives a fuck? Roosh had fun, right? That’s all it matters. A man satisfies his goal, the woman comes after that. I too gave up the notion that I have to be great in bed. I just satisfy my desire, that’s all. I don’t have to make sure I was ‘great in bed’.
I suspect the women you mentioned, were a bit upset by realizing the same guy has fucked them both, that they were just a number, and that he does that as his favourite hobby, ah ah.
”They said you were too much of a wussy to do oral too.”
Tsk tsk, I say Roosh was smart for not going down on a woman that, for what he knows, could have been fucked the same week by another 27 guys. Who knows, right?
I would never perform oral on a girl I just met, either.
Well done Roosh , for fucking them both , ah ah
Damn roosh,you are accumulating haters
Hahaha, this is such bullshit. In places where feminism has yet to invade, like South Carolina, the traditional “nice guy” is the one who ends up beating and verbally abusing his wife. Simple fact, statistics, and psychology.
Roosh you make some points that I agree with, and I’m a young American woman. The media and our culture brainwashes women to believe they deserve more then they do and they all HAVE to have a 6 foot tall, $100,000+ earner who rubs their feet every night.
Unfortunately this is rarely the reality and THEY refuse to rub his feet in return. However, a lot of these “nice guys” are doing things that are so chronically off-putting that I’m not surprised that woman are turned off. I’m a young single woman. I’m not into criminals, thugs, abusers, narcissists or overly-cocky, arrogant jerks. The ideal guy IS NICE but has a little bit of an alpha edge. He knows what the wants, has a stable career (not necessarily rich but stable like he works in an office versus a 30 year old out-of-work “actor”), isn’t obsessed with what I think of him, and knows that the right woman FOR HIM will appreciate what he brings to the table and reciprocates.
Now I know that you can insert a whole discussion about how feminists and American women think they don’t have to reciprocate, and that sadly might be true, but stay with me here.
Is it any wonder that nice guys can’t get a girl — or hell, that they can’t even get laid?!
- They often have TERRIBLE social skills, forget the alpha versus beta debate
- Some smell bad and have visibly poor hygiene
-They obsess over your approval and let you know subtly and not-so-subtly that their self-esteem and self worth is wrapped up in you
-They plan a future before there is a present (i.e. the first couple of dates)
- They have no old school “chutzpah” that our grandfathers had and don’t show women that they can handle the challenges life throws at them or stand up for themselves
Our grandparents were NOT lacking in these qualities. My grandfather (R.I.P.) was a gem and the kindest person I’ve ever known but my grandmother didn’t like him when they first met. But he won her over with his consistency, kindness, good looks, and jokes. Their story isn’t unique and I’ve heard it from tons of people my parents and grandparents age.
Nice guys wouldn’t be able to do this; they would crumble at the first sign of rejection and refuse to try again. They are so EGO driven (but in a different way then an alpha male) and it’s not for the better.
I just wish they could learn what they were doing wrong. They have all the equipment – they just need to read the manual. UGH
As a woman who is old enough to be your mother I appreciate what you are saying. However, scientific evidence is against you. Millions of years of evolution show that pair bonding is the norm for human interaction. I strongly recommend you read “The Naked Ape” by Desmond Morris. The problem isn’t that getting laid was a classic evolved behavior, the problem is that it is a sign of modern times. We used to only live to be (tops!) 40 years old so death do you part was possible. Add to that the 50% of women died in childbirth before the 20th century. Women were a commodity something to be acquired because by the time adulthood came, men outnumbered women drastically and hence the capacity for male domination.
Now in the 20th and 21st centuries women are living through childbirth, have birth control, AND people are living longer and longer lives. So the concept of being married for life gets more and more difficult as people grow and mature out of relationships. Modern society also makes it possible to find fulfillment in other areas rather than just procreating and raising children.
Roosh the GAME is a development of modern society. The fact that you are not trying to pair bond is a thoroughly modern concept. Male Domination is not possible in a world where over 50% of the population is women. Feminism is not to blame for the current state of masculine definition. Medical Science is to blame.
By the way. I love what Your Mum and Micaela have to say. I usually only date European men. American aren’t capable of intelligent conversation. Sex is more satisfying with them because they haven’t forgotten foreplay. At 40+ getting married is not really something to look forward to. I already did my evolutionary job by having two sons and staying at home and raising them in a marriage. When my socially stupid Ph.D. ex refused to fulfill his obligations to both raising the children and maintaining the marriage – I left. Unfortunately American men do whine too much about not getting their Wham Bam in. Where with European men it is a process of mutual pleasure – even for a one night stand. That is why they will always get more game. They also set higher standards of beauty and would not be caught dead with the fatties I see American Men settle for. They treat women like they are feminine. Not just pussies to get fucked. They actually talk to women and respect them. Abusive men will always attract the damaged goods and bitch about it later.
Soften up about women. Most of us have contributed to having children and if not sill married, we enjoy being single and giving good game as well as getting it. It would have to be one hell of a man for me to settle down again. He’d have to be thoughtful, handsome, masculine (IOW doesn’t take shit from me or anyone else nor threatened by my intelligence).
I remember when I was in a bar while dating an Englishman. We were talking politics and an American man told him he better “constrain your woman.” He bellowed a good raucous Richard Burton like laugh and said “Fuck off you tosser. She’s just a woman, she can say whatever she likes. And I have been pulling her for weeks which is more than you can say.” We finished our drinks went home and fucked our brains out.
One more note on this…
If all you want if a pair of boobies, to get head, and shove your dick in something to get off without giving oral sex to a woman. You might be gay and there are some very lovely transgendered ladies who can oblige you.
Micaela, I was with a Portuguese man for six months before we parted down different paths Joao. What a HUNK!
Anon @ October 21st, 2012 7:01 pm has it right. Too many people assume kindness=weakness and Nice Guys (TM) are the worst offenders. I believe in alpha vs beta but if guys don’t have either decent hygiene or basic social skills they aren’t even beta.
@ChicagoaninDC: You make some good points about medical science being “to blame” but then your credibility disappears once you start sucking up to Michaela et al. Men compete in the working world all day and the last thing we want is to then have to also compete with you in our relationships. What are you trying to ‘win’, anyway? To make it clear, men are trying to win the peace — and to not constantly watch our backs as you indulge Eve’s curse and attempmt to usurp.
I’ve followed your stuff for a few years and agree with essentially 100% of what you say. Luckily, having lived in many foreign countries over the years, I have known for a long time that foreign women are totally different from the creatures that pass for “women” in America. But I want to say this, bro: if we want to attack and undermine the feminist regime here, we have to be smart about it. I am afraid that you are doing the cause harm by couching your arguments in coarse, explicit language and graphic descriptions of lewd behavior. I know it sells…but you are giving the other side the excuse they need to pidgeon-hole you as a frat-boy vulgarian, when in fact you are making very, very important observations on contemporary American culture. Your voice deserves to be heard more. You’ve got to frame this stuff in a way that beats the other side at its own game.
“Why can’t these American women stay in their own country? They are always telling us that it is the paradise for women.
It is. That is the reason why, like Eve, they are so excessively anxious to get out of it.” – Oscar Wilde
Whats loud, ugly and smells like body odour?
A feminist march..:shudder:
Roosh pretty much defines the trend that I’m seeing more and more in America. A bunch of self-proclaimed gurus telling you that you there’s something terribly wrong with you and that’s why you can’t enjoy life to the full, but for a small fee they can fix you. Besides, the whole alpha-beta bullshit reflects America’s obsession with winners/losers. All you guys go get a job.
Roosh, I got shut down all day. I dont want to go do my aproaches tomorrow can i have some personal motivation?
lol i am a sexist and all those things you said but i still find it difficult to get laid, maybe i don’t have enough game that’s why i don’t pick up many girls :/
so what should i do now?
Yeah, I should expect such website would lead to sexism and disrespect at some point…
Still, I believe (other, non-sexist) advices here are valid, and they do not require men to feel “superior” to women. I don’t think feminism gets in the way of a man feeling confident and getting to have sex… rather the opposite.
Being against feminist values and feeling superior is the true insecurity towards women. Mainly because, actually, men are not – and neither are they.
(P.S.: just so I don’t seem like a girl, I’m a Brazilian guy)
Roosh, go read some of Professor Kingsley Browne’s books and/or materials. He is the patriarch of this shit.
This whole thing is ridiculous. Feminism is simply believing that men and women are equal. I get the impression that you blame women for your own inability to bag bitches. Let me tell all of you the harsh truth; you aren’t on a dry spell because you’re too “nice” or “treat her equally with respect”… you’re on a dry spell because you’re not only misogynistic (that’s only a small part), but also probably very physically unnattractive/awkward/gross. This is simply making up excuses so that you don’t have to face the reality of the situation – you’re ugly, man. I treat women just as I would men, and I sleep with several women a year. Excuses, excuses.
What really confuses me about all this feminist stuff. Is that being a house wife and looking after the kids is deamed a waste of potential. It use to be important to teach children and help their growth now it they are sent off to kiddy farms everyday to learn everything from strangers. If a man stays home he’s weak if a woman stays home she wasting her life. I thought the kids were the most important thing in a parent’s life but people act as if they are just an effect of sex and something to be tolerated like a pet.
As a woman I acknowledge there are many differences between what I am capable of and what a man is capable of, but in no way does that mean that either one of us deserves a “low level of respect” from the other! Every person innately deserves respect, regardless of their abilities – and I am appalled that the author suggests otherwise. Truthfully I would far rather dedicate my life to raising a family and making a husband happy than have some high-power career. Unfortunately, not many men of our generation could sustain that kind of relationship, because it takes maturity, hard work, and generosity if it is to be a happy life. Basically all of the traits that are entirely opposite to what is glorified on this website.
My current boyfriend (who I am crazy about) has from day one treated me with consideration, respect, and affection, while also being the man in the relationship – which means having the confidence to take initiative and lead the relationship. This sets him apart from most guys I know. I would gladly spend all day cleaning his house and cooking his food then all night fucking his brains out, but that’s not exactly what society wants anymore.
Basically though, any girl worth her knickers wants a man who will make her feel protected and valued, not an asshole who tries to make her feel worthless. I mean, think about what kind of person she’d be if that’s what she’s attracted to – probably not a catch.
In summary, I fucking love nice guys.
Haha, look at all the poor sandwichless dudes up there. How cute~!
This is actually one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. You’ve succeeded in raising my blood pressure, but not in conveying any reality. Congratulations, you’re a misogynistic bastard. I hope that’s what you were trying to achieve here.
Blog entries such as this are what turn women simply don’t want to be objectified in everyday situations into bona fide feminist fighters. Congrats on making more of what you despise. :)
this entire thread, let alone the bullshit spewed in this article, makes me wish our species were extinct.
Do you have a fedora, by any chance?
You said you like fucking ‘nice’ guys but I think your definition of ‘nice’ is different than Roosh’s. The boyfriend you describe doesn’t fall into the ‘nice guy’ category. He sounds like a man with a purpose and a backbone but who takes initiative and goes after what he wants.
Though Roosh’s mysogynistic tone is offputting, you can’t deny the basic premise of Roosh’s argument: that ultra NICE guys do not get rewarded sexually in today’s sexual marketplace. If you want to see the way nice guys really do get screwed, read this:
THAT is what people like Roosh are bitter about. They are made because they sat around trying to be what women told them they should be (supplicating), but mysteriously women didn’t find them attractive at all, and instead they chose to have sex with assholes who have so many ‘kristies’ in their iphone they don’t even know who is who.
The general public doesn’t even know what FEMINISM means. To be Pro-woman is not the same as being Anti-man.
Women continue to be treated as a minority, even though they comprise 50% of the world’s population. How can you ignore ONE HALF of the world?
“Feminists withhold sex”. Who in the fuck do you think you are? Men are NOT ENTITLED to sex merely because they are men. Women are not vaginas with legs that you get to pick out of a crowd and fuck. Just like you, women are PEOPLE.
Some day you will have a daughter. Will you punish her for “withholding sex” from the next-door neighbor? How about from the guy who smiled at her at a party? Will you be okay with the thought of other guys jacking off to the thought of her?
My dad is a feminist. My brothers are feminists. Not because they’re pussies, but because they believe all PEOPLE are created EQUAL.
I hope some day you wake up from this cluster-fuck of self-inflicted rage. You are ignorant, immoral, and a sad excuse for a living organism.
All I can say is, there are some vast generalizations in this post and in the comments. As far as evolution goes, women as “less” is a recently developed idea in the scheme of Big History. In our earliest years and in early civilization, women were considered valuable and equal, and many held very high positions in city state government and religious worship. Women being considered less than men was a development perpetuated by the development of technology and machine driven warfare.
If a woman treats her significant other badly, she should be held accountable, and vice versa.
I am considered an attractive female (or at least I would hope so since I model for a living) but I root for the nice guy, and alpha males turn me off.
Not everyone is the same, and this post is much too vague.
Fucking males. You’re just jealous that our brains work more efficiently than yours. good luck finding a wife who won’t hate you, fucktard. You’re all just selfish horny pigs. They say guys have two heads, but the only head you have is your dick. I hope you all die a very slow painful death.
To all the men on here, just remember that women know more about women than men do (just as men know more about men). Good luck finding a woman because you all will need it.
What a stupid, stupid article.
Roosh shoud be greatful that feminism exist. Women with traditional values will not accept ONS. Sex is all he wants from women.
Women’s emancipation led to ONS, so he should be greatful to feminism. Pity he tries to “emancipate” non-american girls.
This is one of the most offensive things I have ever read.
I love this thread.
Roosh, thank you for providing both INFORMATION and ENTERTAINMENT.
I think we should look to the noble women in Syria, who are fighting against Bashar al’Assad: there are WOMEN, COMPLETELY COVERED and behaving OTHERWISE in accordance with Islamic injuctions, shooting Assad’s men dead in the street, leading suicide attacks, etc. If that isn’t Feminism sans pareil, I can’t say what is!
Many of these women, if you read their biographies, were NOT overtly religious before the war. Why did they turn not only religious, but fighters and SUICIDE BOMBERS for Sunni Jihadists organizations? Are they stupid? Are they backwards.
No, I don’t think so. Consider the following:
I want you to then look at what FEMEN did in Berlin, insulting Islam and these mujahideen’a(?), and how the Muslim women, world-wide, reacted to these patronizing and ignorant insults by supposedly liberated “feminists” who only degraded themselves when degrading others. These FEMEN idiots didn’t allude to the horrors happening in Idlib, Aleppo, Hama, Homs, etc… no: all they could do was shit on a people.
Let me tell you another thing: these women fighting and dying in Syria for a CONSERVATIVE, LEGITIMATE ISLAMIC STATE would STONE these FEMEN girls to DEATH. You fucking doubt me? Really?
I am not a Muslim, but I am close to many in my personal and business life(I do business in Africa, mostly). I openly criticize the lack of critical scholarship, the vitiated Ulema, and the scurrilous anti-Semitism that abounds in Islamic media and amongst half-baked clergy. However, the Muslim world sees the dead-end and HYPOCRISY of the West…
I appreciate this article. I just found it in a somewhat unrelated search. I have spent the last hour reading the articles, and the comments, while thinking about the ramifications and implications of all that has been said.
First of all, I disagree that we as men need to become sexist in order to get laid. In fact, the nice guy can easily get laid if he knows the kind of woman to go for. The article seems to pander to the idea that sex is the ultimate goal. Well, I understand that this is an environment for men with “game”, but bear with me.
What if, instead of focusing so much on getting pussy, you simply focused on yourself as a man? In your article, you already pointed out that all you have to do is be sexist to get laid. What this hints at is the subtle fact that when you refuse to play the “game”, suddenly you enter a new world where women don’t hold any power over you.
The problem that feminism poses to man is secondary to the cancer it has affected on society and the family structure. I believe these points have already been masterfully expounded upon. What hasn’t been said as much is that feminism only has the impact on a male getting laid as much as he lets it.
What I am getting at, is that there is no such thing as an alpha or beta male if you are truly looking for a woman worth dating and settling down with. There are women out there who don’t care about such classifications because they see through the exterior and are trying to find men who are true men. It is beyond the scope of the space and time I will spend on this comment to talk about what I mean by “true men”, but I think it will be obvious to you if you put some thought into it. The point is, you don’t need to be sexist to increase your chances of getting laid or finding the right woman (or women). You simply need to stop letting feminism have any effect on how you act or think. Acknowledge it as a disease among the simple-minded general population, but do not let it get in the way of what you want (whether it be just sex or a life partner).
You should brush up on your history before spreading misinformation and lies. Look at ancient religions and culture. The Vedic texts, the old testament of the Bible, etc. are good places to start. Women being equal to man is the modern idea, not the drivel you parroted.
How would you know what the nice guy gets or doesn’t get? You’re not a nice guy by any stretch of the imagination and I have a hard time believing you ever were since genuinely kind people uphold kindness as a personal value no matter what the circumstances.
You sound like a snivelling child rather than a grown up man.
“However, the Muslim world sees the dead-end and HYPOCRISY of the West.”
How true. And the Muslim world is succeeding in terms of birthrates. People are marrying and having kids. Which is unsustainable, the Muslim world or the western/Christian/postchristian one? Look beyond the bigoted Western media lies and hateful anti-Islamic propaganda.
I can’t handle all the dumb that is going on with this page.
If you aren’t getting laid and you believe that its because you’re a ‘nice guy’ you need to look reevaluate yourself because there is clearly going to be something not nice about you here’s one reason why.
If you try to form a relationship with a woman entirely based off the fact that you want to bang her (which this article is basically saying), that girl will pick up on that pretty easily and you will be avoided like the plague.
So basically you’re advising men to be sexist in order to have women be interested in them, without backing anything up with research and just making empty claims. Your logic is just .. bulletproof isn’t it.
Like telling a white person “if you want friends that are people of color, you gotta be racist!”
You speak the truth. You are a shining light to the rest of the male population. Please keep up the real talk.
Feminism is killing the birthrate. Fine with me; got a vasectomy and have no kids or alimony here. But a lower birthrate is killing our economy.
Feminism is just another facade for insecurity,
Sure women should be raped or exploited but most of these hipster feminists just use the label to pussy power their way into bullshit ideas which they enforce on their half girl boyfriends. I have a feminist friend, no cock for her as long as she keeps this shit up and she knows it ;)
Sorry, I meant to say “Sure women should NOT be raped or exploited” my bad… but everything else I said was proper :D
Oh gosh. As a woman, I wanted to post a rant on this, but it’ll fall on deaf ears. Let’s shorten it a bit.
Shut up about friend-zoning. It happens to men AND women alike (I have personally been in it for two years straight at this point), it’s just that your gender seems to complain more about it.
I understand that all people are different, and all have a sweet (nice) side to them. Some just choose to hide that behind “masculinity” and act like because they’re a man that all the females will flock to you like sheep. That’s not true.
I understand that I will probably get hate comments from this, but I’m never coming back here, so who cares? :D
Love, a female human being. (Sue is not my real name, sorry)