The modern game movement was popularized by Mystery, a tall man who wore black nail polish, furry hats, and aviator goggles. In spite of his unique appearance, he spoke a lot of universal game truths that could be used by average guys. Most of it, however, did not resonate with them, especially his group approach techniques that required being interesting to four or more people simultaneously. His use of magic tricks and other theater proved difficult to reproduce.
There are an infinite number of methods to have sex with women, but any game teacher will only teach you one—the game that works for him. That game may still increase your results, but it’s not personalized for your unique personality and look. It’s not even personalized for the city or country you live in.
For game to increase its effectiveness in helping men, I believe it must be tailor made to a degree we haven’t yet seen:
- Game for a black guy with a Kid Cudi vibe who lives in Washington DC.
- Game for a former high school football player who likes Asian girls in San Francisco.
- Game for a blonde surfer dude who moves to Brazil.
- Game for hairy Middle Eastern guys in Eastern Europe.
- Game for Indian guys who like white girls in Texas.
There should be at least one qualified guru specifically dedicated to hyper-niche markets like the ones above. It’s already being accomplished informally in game forums, but I expect it to become more organized in the next few years.
The game that I teach is generic enough to work for a wide audience. It’s specific but not too specific. It’s not quirky or strange that you have to be exactly like me for it to work. New gurus coming onto the scene will find it almost impossible to attract a large audience because of how saturated the field is. Second wave pickup must (and will) drill down to detailed niche markets. There will be less money in it, for sure, but unless you reinvent the wheel, you won’t get many eyeballs to yet another “dating advice” resource. You’ll be seen as a copycat at best, a spammer at worst.
I’ve cracked a door open by writing my travel guides. With a book like Bang Colombia, a small market has developed for further instruction, possibly in the form of workshops done by a man who has lived in Colombia and further hacked the code of Colombian women. If there was an American man who halfway understood Ukraine, I would’ve happily fork over a couple hundred dollars for him to teach me when I first arrived there. Specialized knowledge that takes months or years to obtain will become very valuable to men who are short on time.
The niche markets don’t have to be international. For example, there is a huge pent-up demand for guys who want to crack dating sites like OKcupid or Plenty of Fish. While a “How To Date On The Internet” book will do well, imagine if a guy cracked only OKcupid and put out something like “How To Bang One Girl A Week From OKcupid.” I hate internet game but even I’d want to check out that book. Or how about a book called “How To Pick Up Girls In Starbucks” with twenty openers and dozens of bait examples that are only used in that chain of stores.
In twenty years or so, when game theory is studied on the university level, I envision a man taking a 500-question personality quiz in order to tell him the optimum game he should spit. You would share your living situation, female preferences, race, style, and so on. Instead of a one-size-fits-all game that we have now, where you hope what you’re reading works for you, you’d have a detailed recipe that works specifically for you and only you. The only limiting factor in success after that would be how much effort you put in.
The macro discussion of game may be nearing an end as most of the general topics have been analyzed to death by bright male minds. Now it’s time to go micro.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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Being in the Game movement for a few years now. I’ve had access to so many methods, read so many books and was told what was right and what was wrong which of course, contradicted with each other.
Then i started to go out and put each method into use; approached as the guru advised, and it not working, trying another approach tactic and it working. And so on and so forth.
Then i realised that the best way to ever learn this, is to simply drop everything that Guru’s say you should do and to simply go out and try everything and see what sticks.
Everyone has different personalities, so what might work for you might not work for someone else and vice versa.
Now, my Game is nowhere near like what everyone else says and does in the community. It’s tailor made for me. However, the fundamentals are exactly the same.
So you’re absolutely right.
I think Bruce Lee say’s it best…
“Absorb what it useful. Discard what it useless. Add what is essentially your own…”
Agreed with the idea of customized game. I used to think it’s one size fits all but its really not.
Still trying to figure out “Game for 30+ Filipino-American[who likes pretty/fit women from all ethnicity] from California who now lives in NYC”.
So far my niche has been asian women, with a sprinkling of black and latina chicks, and the occasional overseas flag from europe/australia. Not doing bad but there is ALWAYS room to expand the game. I use Roosh’s BANG[Day and Night] as my base game and add in my own sense of humor/vulnerability/jockness to it.
Bad ass boy scout game works for me, yet would be hard for a tall skinny SWPL guy to pull off, and definitely does not appeal to certain types of women. I can switch into artist/musician or rich guy game easily enough (my parents did OK, both college grads, dad was worth a few million so if needed I can fake it) but again, some women loathe this.
I can’t really do full-out jock game, nor would this work for some women.
Really, Mystery was right in saying it’s a numbers game – the main problem there, though, is that 7-10′s are by definition rare and that in itself limits your potential pool.
Really I think the key is to remember your audience, and like the above poster said, use what works.
Steroids exist since the 50s, have found countless uses besides doping and are here to stay.
Yet people dont know crap about them and you have to dig to get some knowledge about them.
I envision Game to be the same. It will never get legitimacy, it will be limited to the few who have the guts to try and fail. It may even shrink in volume of use (but grow in sophistication).
I’m American and have lived and worked in Ukraine for 13 years. I went there on a humanitarian trip and ended up “falling in love” with a girl 16 years younger than me. Needless to say I was put through the gamit and learned by the lessons of hard knocks that only Ukraine and it’s people can only provide. However, like Ukraine’s national anthem ” We have not parished yet” or something of a similar translation, I’m still here with plenty of lessons learned. I’ve seen many westerners come and go over the years, the majority just “don’t get it”. It’s funny and sad at the same time. I’ve given up on giving out the advice as most don’t take it and end up crashing into the rocks due to the calls of the beautiful Ukrainian sirens they fall for. Roosh has maybe given me an idea to start a blog or write a book based not only on how the game is played, but how a westerner can survive and thrive in a place like this, but I’ve been too busy “livin” to put thought s to pen and paper. Maybe one day, but until then, thanks to Roosh and some insightful posts in the forum, those who dare to come here will have a much better leg up on the place than I had back in 1998. Good luck….
Good Post! I’m happy you’re looking toward the future. Maybe you’ll be the Professor at the University teaching Game Theory and Men studies
This is very true and I can relate to this specifically on an international level. Of course, half the fun of travelling and meeting girls is the process of figuring out the cultural norms people play by and how to tailor your game to maximize success with girls. Even though I think we all know this, intrinsically this kind of “one size fits all game” is what most red pill guys will naturally revert to in any setting because it has worked in the past which makes it the deafult plan in any scenario.
I’m from Toronto originally which is one of the hardest markets to crack. I have also lived abroad in Latin America and I’m currently in the Middle East. Often when I’m in a foreign place when I meet girls I go in to my default game mode and it almost becomes second nature to think you always need to. coming up in an environment where the slightest compliment or sign of vulnerability would completely kill the attraction makes acting that way second nature over time. That’s not to say my normal North American game hasn’t worked well internationally but sometimes I wonder how many bangs I’ve missed out on becase I was too far in to North American gaming mode and came off as arrogant or a dick.
I think Roosh makes a great point that if someone could put out a site for North Americans gaming in Jordan (where I currently am), I (and many other expats I know here) would be more than happy to fork over the money for the insight and instruction.
I agree….It will be a long time coming before the mainstream accepts game. One of the big issues of accepting it and moving it intot he mainstream is the fact that the vast vast majority of women will deny it works.
But you are on to something. Niche game would be awesome. Say i was flying to Paris for a week of vacation, I could just pick up a book or pay a guy the first night i’m there to take me out and show me the proper way to bang French chicks. Hell, id pay it. I’d pay solid money for a few hours of tutorials and guidance on where to go and how to approach. It would be worth the weight in gold.
[Roosh: As more American players expatriate, I wouldn't be surprised if in five years there were a handful of gurus based in international cities who have local expertise.]
Game is evolving. And rsdnation is right at the front of it.
Saying that though your forum is useful as fuck.
I don’t agree.
What is long overdue is a system that helps you teach yourself game.
I have plenty of ideas on how to do this but the concept seems to meta for most. Whenever I write about it, it gets ignored.
Very briefly it involves having a clear goal, values, experimentation and objective measurement of what’s important (not phone numbers and dates) and putting yourself through specific life experiences.
The trouble is every game guru figured out something that worked for him, and tried to make a system out of it-
All game requires a lot of extroversion, which is unrealistic for a lot of guys. I try to help people like me with advice about what worked for me.
Wow some of the ideas you mentioned are already coming down the pipe or should be by certain guys I know
Anybody remember Ross Jeffries?
He claimed he could make a girl fall in love with him in 5 minutes. He would use NLP to “anchor” good feelings to a sugar packet, then give the sugar packet to the girl and have her transfer those feelings to him.
It was f**king weird.
Another reason why it’s going to have a hard time getting accepted by the mainstream is its name.
Calling it “game” was a really, REALLY fucking stupid idea. I feel a little embarrassed just thinking that I’m going out to practice my “game”.
The term ‘game’ is a term that black pimps created back in the 1930′s to explain a man’s level of success (or lack thereof) at scooping (getting) women into his stable (harem) of women.
The scientific term is ‘sociosexuality’
There’s also ‘Dark Triad Arts’, ‘Venusian Arts’, ‘Charisma’, etc.
All that matters is when you have it’s skill through constant practice and repetition (including endless rejection) you know you’ve arrived.
“Game for hairy Middle Eastern guys in Eastern Europe”
Has anyone been able to figure this niche out? If they ever do, they should probably blog about it
I think the manospheres evolving to. You get some high quality stuff out there, from roosh to krauser to nomad.
Then you get matt forney.
Probably the best way is via the forum that is pretty active. The 2 niches I’m interested in (and can share some info too) are
!. Eastern European guy living in America
2. Successful Eastern European immigrant visiting his target rich homeland for some quality playtime
Will probably start threads on these as I know there are a few guys in this situation
David Becham look alike could go up to chick and say ‘hey gorgeous, whats doing tonite, lets do something fun’ and he will come accross as cool and confident where danny de vito look alike would be called weird and creep if he attempts to do the same.
David B look alike need no game, in fact he might as well be mute and deaf and he will get bjs in the bar. Danny de vito look alike can have all kinds of game and social skills but chances are he will not get any or he might get some sometimes but we have to assume it happened by chance
A website that lays out all of the game blogs, forums, etc. would be very useful.
Instead of this website being a blog, it could be a directory.
It could have sections for “white guys in brazil” and “black guys in Poland” etc.
If that website creator could organize all of the blogs into those categories that would indeed be a valuable tool.
roosh based on your writing (blog & 2 bang manuals) your game is basically interesting, well-traveled bum game
As this post states, the game to use has to be tailored for the particular country/city a guy is interested in hitting. Therefore, every piece of advice from someone with experience in that region may be of help to our fellow brothers.
For example, I know for fact that Colombianas are the flakiest of all latinamerican girls even if getting their phone numbers is very easy. This is how I reduce that issue in about 15-25% when I sense the girl is prone to flake, just adjust based on your circumstances:
On the phone:
ME: Hi, how are you (some trivial chat) … tell you what … let’s meet at 6pm in mall X to talk and drink something.
HER: Hmmm, ok we can.
ME: Fine, then ring me around 5:45 so I know you are on your way and I will head there.
HER: Ok let’s do that.
At 5:30 I send her a text message, something like this “[insert name], something came up and I can’t make, but I’ll call you tomorrow” (the thing here is to be vague so she wonders, what came up? , will call tomorrow? , to meet? etc…. Just make her woman nature somehow curious and intrigued so she thinks a little about you) … they almost never reply the sms.
Next day I call her late (10pm is fine)
ME: Hi how is it going (being just cool)
HER: Hi, Yesterday I was about to call you when I received your text, what happened? (they all will say more or less the same)
ME: Oh, I had to change plans, a friend call me to invite me to her birthday party. I’ll tell you what! … I have some time today (and just reschedule)
Chances are the previous day she had no intention of going and would never had called, but now she sees that you have social value in her own city, you have options, you are not a desperate foreigner looking for a date and most importantly … you are not that interested in her as she may have thought initially.
Chances are this time she will show up now and you will have your opportunity.
[Roosh: Good stuff.]
You have just described capitalism. All you’re seeing is capitalism applied to a new venue be it, game.
The “worldly” game advise is done. Most of that is out there. Need to find a very specific game that works for you.
Becoming who you want to be.
But isn’t that why game is? Knowing who you want to be and acting accordingly.
Absolute brilliant post…
I foresee a future for someone who cracks game for Indian guys to get white girls (as Roosh mentioned) and even game for how to crack girls in India.
Great post. I would love a book (or any advice) geared towards a divorced 40 something guy. Clubbing just doesn’t seem like my thing anymore. So where do i meet women, what game can i use to improve my chances?
There’s a great quote by Charlie Parker – “Master your instrument, master the music & then forget all that & just play.”. While the quote is about music, I think it’s also a very good Game quote,
@ 5 Kharoche
I hear ya — but things in Ukraine were fuck loads different in 1998. Back then a western man could not walk 10 meters without some Ukraine chick wanting to exchange cell phone numbers and meet up for coffee. Now a western man there is nothing special unles you are a billionaire oligarch, and the females are major hardcore cuntassed, so yes game does differ.
But also one has to factor in not just his own unique situation, but also that the state of affairs (economic and social) has a major impact. Even the difference of 1 year one can see major shift in attitudes of females in a given region, and in the case of Ukraine, these attitudes are for the worse.
So I agree one has to “get it” and understand what is happening, but not to forget that it is two factors: you and what cards you have to play to get laid, and the zeitgeist of the moment of which you are actively gaming.
[Roosh: Yeah I felt like I had to game Ukrainian girls like any other. Are there any spots left that are like the Ukraine of 1998, or is this generation of men born too late?]
There’s always Africa. Maybe being “the Great White Elephant Hunter” is still an actual reality, though I’ve never been.
I bet somebody is going to make a shitload off of church game.
That’s kind of like the development of fitness and nutrition industry. At first, it was “exercise a bit and eat less”, now it’s all specialized into fancy stuff. Intermittent fasting, supplements, raw vegan paleo, crossfit, almond milk with raw cocoa beans digested by Indonesian hamsters, etc.
“Are there any spots left that are like the Ukraine of 1998, or is this generation of men born too late?”
I think after Russia, there are few places left to challenge you. Three places that come to mind that would provide for amazing books are: Turkey, India, Thailand. These books would not be amazing because the girls were hard to conquer, but for the social commentary alone they would be gold. Obviously since Turkey wants to start WWIII you should focus on the other two. They have the added benefit of being cheap so you can hang out longer. I’d love to hear your observations after a month of renting a scooter and diving on Ko Samui and Ko Pha Ngan. Yes I know you don’t like asian girls. Challenge yourself. The tourists are 70% Russian there anyway, there will be plenty of albino toonie but you’ve written about that many times now, let’s hear about the pros and cons of brown toonie, besides that nice south american brown that is.
One area that hasn’t really been covered much is game for older guys because most game bloggers and writers are guys in their twenties and thirties. By game for older men, I don’t mean stuff on how men can pick up much younger women because there’s been plenty on that. I’m thinking more about how a forty year old guy is going to need different tactics with a 40 year old woman than what he used on a twenty year old girl when he and she were both twenty. Even older women still need to be gamed and older men still want women so there’s a market niche for a game writer who covers that area.
I think this post is an acknowledgement of how much race has an impact on game. Regardless of how much you hate race trolls on the forum, it will always be intrinsically connected to game.
Why no mention of game for East Asian men? That you would include game for Indian guys but not for East Asians seems insulting.
“… I would’ve happily fork over a couple hundred dollars…”
s/b “forked over”
A Repo Man is always in TENSE.
Why no mention of game for East Asian men?
Because even Game cannot perform miracles of THAT magnitude…
Andronicus, can u elaborate on “Bad ass boy scout game”?
before it was:
now it is:
good looking guy game
ugly guy game
tall guy game
short guy game
poor guy game
rich guy game
young guy game
old guy game
white guy game
black guy game
spanish guy game
indian race troll guy game