Comment from the other day:

You talk about how hard Argentina is but for me it was the biggest pick-up cakewalk I have ever had. The only one I have ever had. The women chased me aggressively.

The reason? Because he “groomed” himself. Yes, dude banged Argentine models because he shaved and put on a nice t-shirt. I called the troll out to lay out his strategy, a story, pictures, or anything that gives his boast some credibility, but of course “he” hasn’t posted since. I use quotes because lately I’m noticing women trolling as men on my blog and others. “The women chased my aggressively” sounds like something a girl would say. (Here’s another example of a girl trolling as a guy and my reasoning why).

There were also some other misguided comments about “looking good.” All things being equal, looking sharper may help you get laid depending on the type of girl you’re going for, but telling a guy to cut his hair in order to bang Argentine girls left and right tells me either you don’t have game or haven’t been to Argentina. In fact for some type of girls, looking sharp will hurt you (hipsters, artsy chicks, midgets, etc.)

Finally an Argentine guy rolls by and tells everyone to sit down and shut up. Here’s some required reading for anyone going to Argentina:

About middle class Argentine girls from an Argentine guy:

1. Our girls drink very little.

2. Our guys are really forward, confident and insistent. A-hole game or direct game will not set you apart, you will just blend in. Last minute resistance is actually Last few days resistance and we are trained to deal with that.

The girls need to rationalize a story for you. You want to be: the guy I met at yoga classes, or the guy who works with my friend, the guy who’s friends with X’s boyfriend or the guy who plays rugby at the club where I play field hockey. Being the random guy I met at a bar is usually not enough. If you are a foreigner, you need a story that will make you be around for a longer period of time (I’m leaving tomorrow will usually backfire and usually so will I’m leaving next week). Girls will make out with guy they met at a bar, but this guy needs to create his story to take it further.

Since most guys will lie, deceive and twist facts when talking to women (btw, “having game” is translated as “tener parla”), girls need to screen the guys.

In terms of tactics:

1. Roll in a group for optimum results. If it is a beach town in the summer, you want to be with the guys who have the motorcycles, jetskis, quads or who are into kite-surfing or beach volleyball. You also want to host house parties or be regulars at a club as part of a big mixed group.

2. The girl you may get will have seen you before. Your groups will join at one point, and that will provide the setting for her to lower her defenses. Because of this tactic, you need to have different groups of girls around, with a few potential targets in each group for each guy.

3. Pickups take time, same night action is rare. As an example, if I’m traveling to Argentina for only a week, I know I won’t be getting much action. The 3-date structure is quite prevalent: you meet a girl at your friend’s birthday party (on a Saturday) and get her phone. You take her out for drinks or dinner the following Wednesday and make out. You catch up with her on Saturday as part of a mixed group. You pick her up and drive her each time so you’ll have the logistical upper hand. Come Saturday, she should put out. But all this relies on me meeting the girl on my first couple of days in town.

Conclusion: the rules of game apply in Argentina, but pickups take much longer (days vs hours). To have multiple girls, you need to be creating your story with multiple girls along time. If you give up on each pickup the same day, your numbers will suffer. You need a big backlog of potential girls to keep your numbers up. A successful crew will have different groups of girls around them. They may throw a party and have them all around (along with other guy crews) or will juggle the groups for smaller outings. The girls will also have different crews to hang out. To differentiate yourself, you need to be part of the most interesting crew. If you don’t have a crew, you need to be a regular at a specific club or bar. Meet a few girls one day, maybe make out with one and have follow up dates or just meet them again next time they go to that club. The 2nd time around, you are no longer a stranger.

Everything he says 100% confirms what I know about Argentine girls. As for the guys who say that Argentine girls are easy to pick up, ask them two questions:

1. How many did you bang?
2. Pics?

You’ll find they either got lucky with one girl or banged a couple that you personally wouldn’t. Not every Argentine girl is beautiful. Believe me that if a gringo banged a hot Argentine girl he has a dozen pictures of her on his computer.

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why would someone pretend to be a guy? do they have nothing better to do?

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Roosh, Lots of truth being laid out so far. My experience with an Argentine woman was rather interesting. I’m in Vegas and this chick is with her sister and she is being very anti-social. She is pre-occupied with her cigarette; she smoked three in a matter of minutes. This chick was an 8 with the potential to be a 9 had she done her hair and maybe put on a bit of lipstick. All things considered she still looked pretty good. Aside from saying “You’re welcome” after lighting her cigs with my Zippo, I didn’t say a word to her. She left the table and I didn’t see her again that night. The next day I heard through her sister that she was digging me and was surprised that I didn’t push up on her. She craved attention, but when I didn’t appease her she got pissed. It was a nice reminder that game is brutally effective. Even while on auto-pilot, an expert gamesman can always achieve success.

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i think the guy who said the cakewalk thing is full of s.
never been to Argentina ever.
or if so, banged a peruvian itinerant worker, working in Arg, and thinks he knows what he’s talking about. He doesnt.
Il capo does…

Definitely Argentina is not the easiest place in South America, but at the large, noisy clubs it is quite possible to get make outs, and even, if you’re lucky, bring chicas to the love hotel afterwards. That said, I agree that it is not a place for the faint hearted – awww, all those brutal blow outs in B.A. :)

So, yeah, I don’t exactly agree with the argentine guy – it is possible to get one night stands….

I agree with some of this, if you are an average joe. SNLs are atypical in Argentina, but if you have massive game and a fat wallet, your chances are considerably better. But, if your a hairy unemployed 30 year old dude from DC, that wants to take piccie wickys with some girls in da club on a 50 dollar digital camera, your chances are obviously considerably lower.

^^^^^^^^
but SNLs could happen if you dedicate ur life night and day to pickup and are a hairy unemployed bastard from DC!! haha

I love how Argentina’s girl inspire such spirited conversation.

Yeah, its interesting how Il Capo (the Argentinian guy), Roosh, and everyone else that has actually been to Argentina agree. Myself included.

This part of the comment is the most ludicrous: “The women chased me aggressively.”

I don’t like to doubt people, because I truly believe anything is possible, but Argentinian girls are the antithesis of “aggressive”.

- MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Entropy on Models, models and “models”.

lol at the hate.

People are starting to get quite sophisticated with it.

Billy,

“So, yeah, I don’t exactly agree with the argentine guy – it is possible to get one night stands….”

I don’t he is saying it is “impossible”, only more rare.

Buenos Aires is not like Las Vegas for instance, where you can bang out three different girls in the same night.

- MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Entropy on Models, models and “models”.

First off I want to say that I am a big fan and this is not intended to be a hate comment.

However, Roosh your failure in Argentina seems to be quite a sore spot for you. You’ve spent countless blog posts and book pages trying to rationalize your lack of success in Argentina.

I say just sack it up and come to the realization that whatever YOU did in Argentina didn’t work for you because it clearly is possible to have great success in Argentina. I know this because YOU chronicled characters in your latest book that were killing it Argentina. Is the general rule? Probably not. However, it does prove it is possible.

I’m sure I speak for a large portion of your blog readers when I say that I think you should deal with this “Argentina was hard thing” and get back to blogging / writing about the stuff the made your blog popular in the first place; Snarky, sarcastic advice on how to bang women.

Hey,
I have a question for everyone on this board: from this point forward for the next ten years of my life I’m going to dedicate every second of my time to picking up women. Do you think I have any change of getting laid?

14. No, because your too angry. Therefore, you would come off as uncool to most women…But lots of guys dont get much sex in their lives, and so you’ll have some friends to talk about your problems with…

Anyway, these Argentine ladies seem like too much trouble and a bit uptight. I would, therefore, take the contrarian approach and crank the direct game to the hilt, maybe even past the mark of the average argentinian guy, and play the numbers. That seems to be the argentinian male approach, right? And they are still making babies in argentina, no? So these guys must know something. I would take their cue. Otherwise, I would probably want to kill myself playing the game that these girls insist upon. Plus its beta. Most of these girls are probably a bit insecure, and so just pounding them with ultra cool direct game will help them relax and have the emotional rush of being able to laugh and actually feel something. I theorize that that will eventually override their social programming. But insofar as a quick swoop (lol..MPM lingo), I’m not sure. You’d have to be around them for at least more than a very fast conversation, which doesnt seem to work anyway, and so you’ve got nothing to lose.

I have no experience with these girls, and so this is all theory.

Who here thinks 14 is a virgin?

II CAPO’s comments and breakdown are awesome….IN DEPTH, SPECIFIC advice and FIRST HAND knowledge about what you what it takes the to fit into the social scence of Argentina…Everyone who has tried to game in a foreign country should post something like that on this blog! Thanks to II CAPO!

Ur right Chris and Rookie, I’m very angry. No time to “swoop girls” and write lengthy posts while making some pocket change here and there on the internet. Guess I’ll just use my money to buy them and have them come to my flash London pad.

Get a fucking life, all of you please. This has been a joke. This site is hilarious. Go out get educated and you will get girls… doubt that will happen, so holler to me if you need a job and want to clean the shit stains off of my toilet.

“I have no experience with these girls, and so this is all theory”

Then shut the fuck up. Save up a couple of pennies, buy a coach class ticket, and stay in a shitty hostel like the other scumbags do on this board.

really liked this post, insightful and informative. jeeze i sound like u just gave stock quotes.

drop that science, son!!!

“I have no experience with these girls, and so this is all theory”

Then shut the fuck up. Save up a couple of pennies, buy a coach class ticket, and stay in a shitty hostel like the other scumbags do on this board.”

Lol..so, so angry…how many girls have beaten you down to make you so? It’ll be ok, my man, I promise. You miserable life will fly by fast enough.

..and buy yourself first class ticket to the East coast USA, with all of your money that shouldn’t be a problem, and tell me to shut the fuck up to my face…It’ll be a different game then, internet tough guy…..have fun with your hookers…they need money, and you need love, we all understand.

One the East Coast now, motherfucker, @ my ivy-league school (think H-Y-P, not fucking Cornell). And yes, I get rejected by girls all the time, but I approach many.
The funny thing about your post is that you think girls are the focal point of everything. Call me when you need a job buddy!

And save up if you want a whore, they’re awfully expensive (2 days work for you, 200USD a fuck)!!

G Manifesto:

“I don’t he is saying it is “impossible”, only more rare.

Buenos Aires is not like Las Vegas for instance, where you can bang out three different girls in the same night.

- MPM”

Alright, what I tried to say was: I wouldn’t follow his advice about playing the “dating game”… Too much trouble. Reminding me of the chicas Roosh described in a Dead Bat in Paraguay.

Like somebody said in an earlier post; I would behave like an argentinean guy, just on testosteron and red bull as well. Success guaran-fucking-teed.

Why is it relevant to mention “my ivy-league school”
There are many colleges and universities that have an over abundance of ivy growing on their campus. That really doesn’t mean a whole lot in the 21st century. Your ivy education will only get you so far; the real world is where men are made.

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asdfsdfasdf, your hilarious. And psycho, in a weird sad beta way.

Trying to assert yourself with stated wealth and education status is the most pathetic of angry beta behavior. Every guy on this board is laughing at you now. Your the type of guy that women laugh at behind their back, and the type of guy who, if you had some low self esteem wallflower as your girlfriend, most guys on this board could take her from you in one night. But you don’t. And your likely a liar about the other stuff as well, but it doesn’t matter either way. I won’t qualify myself to you, but lets just say I know for a fact that you don’t belong in those schools, in a socioeconomic sense, even in the unlikely fact that you attended one. The insight that you have provided on this board, in terms of your class and etiquette, is a dead giveaway. A person that came out of a Prep school, would never react like that. But, if your at Penn now, we could meet up. As I’m down there now as well.

You could cease telling me to “shut the fuck up” and calling me a “motherfucker” from the safety of your keyboard…and get real about it. I’m in Philly. Your at Penn, no? Oh, Ok. Its probably one of the other ones.

Thanks for letting me know your hooker prices, poor fella. Interesting stuff…but useless to me. I have what are called “relationships” with women. I’m currently dating two of them, who are both good looking and educated. How about you? Oh yeah, the hookers, I forgot. Maybe you can jerk off on your money and $200 per night hookers instead. Your the alpha, in your mind, and I don’t judge. Its a shame real women do, though. They would still pick me over you, even if I was cleaning your toilets.

Good luck finding happiness, little guy.

internet thugs ya’ll all need hugs!

I’m starting to remember again why Roosh removed the option to comment on these posts…

trolls and the hands that feed them….

I’m through being an internet thug, I promise:) I just sometimes have a unhealthy need to kill trolls.
Back to ignoring the wee man… he can bark all he wants.

This “$200 per night hooker guy” is another one that has no idea what he is talking about.

Especially about bragging about $200 per night hookers, as if that is expensive.

Where the hell are those in the US beyond skid row?

- MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Entropy on Models, models and “models”.

Americans have no idea how their girls are easy. Sincerely, they are very pretty and I don’t know why a guy should go to other countries just to bang a girl. Maybe for other reasons, adventure, romance, etc., but it is just 10 times easier to get pussy in the US.
In graduate school in the US, my friends from South America just couldn’t believe the (good) situation.
Most middle class Brazilian/Argentinian girls (the most beautiful) will have sex with steady boyfriends. Sure, eventually they may have a one night stand, but it will be a once or twice thing in a lifetime.
In Brazil, a girl who is as easy as an American will not be educated, rich and smart as an American may be. She will be either a crazy bitch or a low class slut.

MPM,

He’s banging skid row hookers, for sure.

And he’s happy with himself.

lol.

Poor guy.

SmartDuck

“Sincerely, they are very pretty and I don’t know why a guy should go to other countries just to bang a girl.”

I think it would fall under “life experience”.

Also, would you rather be national or International?

- MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Entropy on Models, models and “models”.

Gman, four words: Shut the fuck up, and read before you type. You are the biggest loser of them all on this site. Roosh is like Donald Trump compared to you. You go around all day posting on blogs and shit. You’re probably some 30 year old dude with a nest egg of like 50k, and manage to scrape together 10k a year to fuel your little habits, as you dwindle your life away on this earth without making any real big time money or contributing to society.
—Back to you, Christopher……I’m sure you go to Penn and are majoring in English, right? Class of 2010, correct?

“Your the type of guy” “And your likely a liar ” “if your at Penn now, we could meet up”

ROFL, LOL!!!

The real funny part about this thread here is that you continue to go on and on about women….as if they are the only thing in the world. Maybe you do get girls, but that still doesn’t mean you aren’t a fucking loser with no career path whatsoever.

And by the way, us ivy-league guys are all a bunch of angels :)

LOLOLOL!!!!

I’ve never been to Argentina, but this guy PUA went and banged a few girls down there. He wrote about it here:

http://www.entropypua.com/blog/lr-pig-roasts-in-argentina

and here:

http://www.entropypua.com/blog/lr-ella-no-habla-ingles-she-doesnt-speak-english

The guy’s pretty legit. He talks about how indirect game actually plays in your favor because the guys down there are so direct and aggressive.

First time I have ever been called a girl there, Roosh.

You misread my comment. I didn’t say it was because I groomed myself. I said “they really value good looks and grooming”.

It’s because I’m good looking. And part of being good looking – a HUGE part – is grooming. Plain and simple. I know this because if I don’t style my hair, girls don’t even look at me. If I do, everything changes. Just hair-styling makes a huge difference. Like I said in the other comment, looks are much more important than game.

You are a very, very sensitive person if you call that comment trolling. All I suggested was that you got rid of some of the hair and you’d have some more success. Quote – ” From the photos you post, I think you could look good, but the beard/long hair thing doesn’t work on people who value appearances, ie. the whole of Argentina.” I would be more than happy to say that to anyone’s face so I believe it abides by your comment rules.

Maybe you’re sensitive about your hair (or I should say definitely, from the sounds of it…) but that doesn’t make me a troll.

Re: the Argentine dude’s advice, that seems solid enough to me, if you’re Argentinean.

G Manifesto asked me for my techniques. First, a disclaimer, my Spanish is pretty good. It was basic, dance with girl, kiss girl, take girl home. They were just pliant. And it wasn’t just me OR meet up with girl next day, take her home then. The guys in my hostel – all of us, including the incredibly annoying and obnoxious New Yorker – were fucking killing it. We were all decent to good looking, with the exception of the dude from NY.

I have one theory as to why that would be the case. We basically hung out at the same club each night, a club that ran promos to tourists in hostels and I think that a lot of the girls who came did so for the gringos. I forget the name of it but it was in San Telmo.

However as a full explanation that would be a cop out. I was getting eyed up and down in the streets of BA more than in any other city in my life. Looks definitely go a long way in BA. I’m going back, for sure.

Hmm formatting error there, sorry. Hope it makes sense.

Hmm and I just read the rest of your post. No pics. … Who does that? My friends just take my word for it. For the week, out of the Argentineans there was a 5, 2 7s and an 8.5 maybe 9. But she was a starfish.

And G, when I say aggressive, I mean that I have never been chased before in a club. Never had a girl come up to me and make out with me randomly. Etc.

Suerte.

Fourth comment in a row is bad, but having just read this guys post:

http://www.entropypua.com/blog/lr-pig-roasts-in-argentina

This seems pretty typical. No game, just into it.

lol…its revenge of the nerds time.

When is this guy going to quit begging us to respect him? Its hilarious, and sad sad sad..

Don’t you find it pathetic that your bragging about your supposed Ivy League Education in the comments section of Rooshes blog? Wow, you must be a scary guy on many levels. Get some help, homey, before you die of Hep C from those ghetto hookers, or go all Virginia Tech on your schoolmates. Anger never solves itself.

Do you really think that a guy like you could get a guy like me to qualify himself to you? Your out of your league, my little friend. No matter what my job, I’ll stick to telling you that I scrub toilets, because it doesn’t matter what you think of me. But obviously, it matters to you what we all think of you. Your a sad man with very low real self esteem. Your using your education/money claims as a crutch for what you lack in that department.

Oh, and this is a blog about girls. You know, like there are blogs about money, cars, travel, and everything else. You sound retarded when you complain about the woman-centric focus of the discussion.

Get some help, and find some happiness.

@ Anonymous:

The guy actually validates my thoughts. His pickups were (according to his reports):

a) a girl on coke who him an his friends did the same night. This would fall under the rare ONS category.

b) the second girl he made out with the same night but had to take her on follow up dates to seal the deal.

This is so enjoyable. Consume each other.

Little Ivy League Skid Row Guy said:

“Gman, four words: Shut the fuck up, and read before you type. ”

I have a feeling you already exceeded four words.

“You are the biggest loser of them all on this site.”

Mozart had his critics also.

“Roosh is like Donald Trump compared to you.”

What does this mean? Roosh is on a reality tv show with terrible hair?

“You go around all day posting on blogs and shit.”

Looks like you do as well. Actually, I just got back from the beach. Its 69 and sunny here.

“…without making any real big time money or contributing to society.”

Discovering the cure for cancer was never in my DNA.

Have fun on your “career path”.

I will just continue having fun.

- MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Entropy on Models, models and “models”.

“This is so enjoyable. Consume each other.”

lol. I know, I know…I can’t help myself. I think that I have a problem.

ONS in Argentina? Yeah… with peruvian itinerant workers.
Or girls from the provinces who bussed in for a night at the clubs.
For quality, sorry, it works the way IL Capo describes.

Jonk,

I got where you are coming from.

No disrespect to you or Entropy’s stories.

I am beyond the “club that ran promos to tourists in hostels”. Not dissing you, it is just where I am at.

If you read between the lines of Entropy’s stories, he swooped:

1. A girl on coke, that swiped his friend Ipod. Read: off duty hooker.

Again, not being a snob (I have swooped plenty of girls that snort beeks), but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

2. A cop girl.

Not exactly the top 2 girls in buenos.

Not dissing, just breaking it down.

- MPM

The G Manifesto’s last blog post: Entropy on Models, models and “models”.

“5, 2 7s and an 8.5 maybe 9. But she was a starfish.”

If one thing is certain from the couple years I spent in Argentina noob foreigners way overrate Argentine girls because their cute accents and different looks are novelty. I instinctively read his ratings as one 4, 2 6s and one 7.5 (and that being generous).

The real 9s in Argentina hardly ever go to clubs because they’re jaded from all the cavemen pestering them so much. The upper echelon have 5 boyfriends if they’re not in an exclusive relationship so the last thing on their mind is a one night stand with a gringo.

Even the attractive girls in Argentina are relatively easy to make out with, another reason foreigners way overrate their success with the women. In the states the make out is a springboard to sexo…not in Argentina. Gringos make out with a couple cute girls that they have no chance of sleeping with and then stuff some hideous argentines and think they are “killing it” when they are really just wallowing in delusion.

Any Ivy-Leaguer who anonymously blogs about being an Ivy-Leaguer is the type of “Ivy-Leaguer” who deserves to anonymously blog about being an Ivy-Leaguer.

Thus spake Zarathustra…

I have a feeling I will agree with you, Z, but I will go to Argentina to check it out anyway. I need to travel.

The best looking girls I have ever seen have been in the southern parts of Germany. Beautiful skin, beautiful smiles, very approachable, and they just make you feel good when you talk to them.

I have met Argentinian girls all over, and from my experience, I think you are right. They are generally cute, but I haven’t seen a stunner yet.

The Brazilians that I have seen/talked to in the West Coast of the US, on the other hand, are by and large incredibly beautiful… stunning even.

A lot of hot Brazilians end up living in San Diego and Los Angeles if they can afford it.

I definitely agree with what the gaucho says about meeting and dating Argentinian girls in the middle class. Piece this together with some of Jonks comments on going to the clubs where the women are looking for “gringos” and you have a good gameplan. If you speak spanish it’s a big help and being able to dance is also a big plus. I tend to recommend dressing up in button downs and a nice pair of shoes especially when going out at night. You put all of this together and it’s a very good blueprint for good times in Argentina.

Dan DeLa Cruz’s last blog post: Five Steps To Learning Latin Dance.

Hey! i just realized i have actually had ONS’s in Arg.
But I forgot about, or discounted them, b/c i fully believe they’re the exception, not how it normally goes down.

In general, I don’t think its worth it to try and game lower class girls in foreign countries. In a lot of ways its asking for trouble, unless you are into it for very short time company.

Plus, its less likely to go anywhere, if thats what you want. Their lack of education, and resultant differing world perspective, won’t be easy to deal with for most western guys. Attractiveness has nothing to do with it after the honeymoon period is over. I’ve even dated an educated foreign girl, that was raised in a small village, and it was a bit of a nightmare. The small village mentality persists.

cube dwelling virgin hater. nuff said

Che…this advice makes sense based on my friendships with Argentine girls and visiting their country. I’ve tried to model myself after Argentinian women in fact and be like they are… men and women there are absolutely gorgeous…the lifestyle they live… architecture and decor… food… no wonder they are so proud :-) Look at how all you are falling over them… even if they don’t have lots of raw beauty, they certainly have lots of style.

In Argentina the impression I got is that it’s accepted that men will trade in for a younger and prettier girl when they can. And that men who can keep mistresses, will. Men are accepted to try and use women for fun, and it’s up to women to make them “luchar.” All of that traditional ‘boys will be boys’ stuff.

The girls there know how hard it is to hook a man’s commitment, and act accordingly. (Girls there are obsessed with being slim, anorexia is big. Plastic surgery is huge too.)

Men in Argentina hit on girls all day, on the escalator as you pass in the mall, in the cafe, on the street, as you grab pizza y empanadas… if a girl responds to these catcalls she’s seen as cheap and too easy. The girls know that they need to be coy in order to test out a man’s true intentions. Girls there seem to be more real about what high-quality men will commit to (the ultimate goal) and act accordingly. Argentinas might even be considered masterettes of GirlGame in a way.

Also, there is this Argentininan obsession with Europe, and how they have usually tried to distance themselves from being very “Latino” like their neighbors. I wonder if that plays into the value system there, and therefore what’s considered attractive. I hope I am not oversimplifying but that may be something driving some motives within the deepest part of the Argentinian psyche.

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Brazil kicks Argentina’s ass! Eu amo Brasil!

lovelysexybeauty,

You may be confusing novelty with style. The way Portenas dress and wear their hair is ridiculously homogenous. I had moments where I legitimately thought I saw a girl I knew almost everytime I left the house. I’m not going to breakdown the mundane Portena style here because I doubt anyone cares.

As far as the food is concerned you are probably confusing value with quality. This is far more subjective, but unless you’re a huge meat eater on a budget the food is hardly spectacular and the cultural variety is almost nonexistent.

The idea that Argentine girls have mastered female game is hilarious. If you try to act like that in the states or anywhere else but Italy guys are going to instantly leave you alone because in general guys aren’t 1/10 as aggressive and persistent as the cavernicolas.

On average a Portena’s “game” is being an asexual brick wall. They are horrible dancers. Don’t even think about trying to grind, because in the off chance she is willing to she will have no rhythm. Yes many of them are very friendly, but I would characterize their lack of flirtation and sexual expression as a sickly artifact of the men being obnoxious monkeys.

Damn, I now see why Roosh disabled comments the last time. Anyways, I’ll try and bring this back to topic.

Roosh, I respect you and I gain good insight and laughs from your posts, but I believe Jonk makes some good points in his posts.

From having read your prior posts on your first travels down to Argentina, I remember you said you didn’t know much Spanish and this was a big hindrance to your game efforts down there. I got the impression that you went down w/ the mindset that many American guys go with, which is I’ll play the easy-going American and sprinkle three words of Spanish I know and the girls will be fucking me in no time. But as many people have found out, Argentina is not like SE Asia where just b/c you’re American girls will come up saying “Me love you long time” and be ready to suck your dick.

The best part is that you learned from all your mistakes the first time you went down to Argentina and you then went back with a vengeance and new skill. I also have to give you props for learning Spanish and Portuguese and immersing yourself in it right now. Too many other guys would have given up and said “It’s too hard to learn” and would have returned with the intention of never going back to game there.

Gringo readers, take these pointers:
*Learn Spanish before you go down to Latin America to game. And not just your two classes in college and a guidebook crappy Spanish, but fully conversational Spanish. And do your best to lose the accent. A foreign accent w/ English is seen as attractive. A foreign accent w/ Spanish just sounds bad and laughable. (I grew up bilingual so I know what I speak of.)

*Most countries in Latin America have a culture greatly steeped in classicism. Don’t try and deny it, go with it and use it to your advantage. Act like your from the upper class. Dress like your from the upper class. Make up a lie that you are a Hollywood producer on vacation, a up and coming fashion designer, acclaimed photographer, businessman on meetings and looking at properties, whatever. Believe that lie, live that lie, and completely play the part. You can just be another hapless hostel tourist or you can be el Mas Fregon. It’s up to you.

Other guys have given enough tips, but I’ll leave it at that.

p.s. Hey G, you are one of the few members of the International Playboy Circuit. We’ve gotta hit up Argentina sometime in the near future. Tailored suits, designer sunglasses, gator boots, fine liquor, and coke.

Jon Cruz,

“A foreign accent w/ Spanish just sounds bad and laughable. (I grew up bilingual so I know what I speak of.)”

This opinion is clearly not the norm. I would say the American accent is widely considered attractive if anything. Either way, it’s a horrible way to encourage people to learn another language to say they’re going to sound bad and be laughed at until they are fluent.

Latin American culture is aptly characterized as classicism? I’m going to deny it. You do realize that this would mean that latinos embrace the artistic and literary aesthetics of ancient Rome and Greece, right?

Roosh- I can see why you removed comments. Jesus Fucking Christ!! People! Calm the fuck down!! haha

I’ve had decent luck in Argentina. As far as I can figure, you will be infinitely more successful if you:

-Go out of Bs.As. to a place where your American-ness is more of a novelty.
-Are noticeably “white” and will immediately attract attention from a crowd of long-haired, dusky Argies. (Roosh looks like every other guy you see in the street down there in some of his pics. Where’s the novelty factor?)
-Have a network or group who can validate you, or, failing that, be able to use your benign, curiosity-piquing foreign status to ingratiate yourself quickly with a group of Argies. Outside of metropolitan Bs.As. or the big college cities, there will certainly be young people who are eager to become fast friends with you, if only as a curiosity.
-Have more than a rudimentary command of Argentine-dialect castellano.

It’s not for everyone and not for the faint of heart.

Zarathustra – I meant classism, the spell check changed it for me. Thank you for pointing out my mistake.

Keep telling yourself an American accent in Spanish is attractive. Nobody will really laugh at you outright, but inside they will be telling themselves “Pinche gringo” and they will shake their heads and laugh as they walk away. But then again I guess ignorance is bliss for you, so whatever floats your boat.

The groupie trolls hanging off of Roosh’s nuts are amusing.

No wonder the comments were closed.

@ Gman
I´m all for international ! I admire Roosh for going this way, more than for example, Roissy who threads the beaten road.
American girls are brain washed during their teenage years. “Must be an achiever, the world belongs to me, must beat the competition, never let a man cut off your choices”. Little robots who go against nature and are dying inside to be relieved of this terrible load they just love and hate to carry.
Because of the brain washing, they will never give it up willingly. It takes a strong man to do it for them. That´s why so many “shit tests”. When a strong alpha puts them in a submissive mode, he is doing her the best favor in her life.
It is something they are dying to do but could never do it by themselves.
Therefore, once you know this trick, it is easy to duplicate it over and over. Roissy is a one trick pony. He has a great trick nevertheless (and writes amazingly well).
But going for foreign girls is much much harder, because you have to find what buttoms to push, what makes them click. That´s what Roosh is more about.

@Gman
spent 15 minutes answering you, but my comment was caught as “spam” !

After living here in Brazil for a while, I’m confused but what’s so special in Argentina when I have beautiful and friendly girls here?

I don’t mean to step into the middle of a flame war, but I saw some of my posts were linked here.

Comments on Argentina: It’s impossible for me to say definitively what the differences in South American women are since I was only there for like 10 days. But I got laid there multiple times. My friends got laid there. Hell, my young friend studying-abroad there lost his v-card to an Argentinian girl the first night he met her. Harder or not, game is game, and Argentinian girls do sleep with guys too.

But in general, I’ve traveled and picked up women in almost 20 countries at this point, and what I’ve noticed is that the differences between women in different countries/cultures are usually overblown and exaggerated. Not on purpose, but probably just because when we travel to new places, we naturally notice all of the distinct differences, rather than the 90% of shit that’s the same.

At the end of the day, unless you’re in Egypt or China or somewhere with large OBVIOUS cultural differences, women tend to be women, and what tends to work in the US or in France will tend to work in Israel or Argentina or wherever.

Cultural differences DO exist, but they’re maybe 10% of the equation in most situations. The only LEGIT difference in most places is the language barrier.

And for the record, if you speak Spanish in Latin America and you’re white, you’re going to do all right.

Just my two cents…

Flame on…

I rarely read this blog, but the post by the guy talking about his ‘Ivy League Education’ is just too funny. Dude, let me tell you something, I used to live about 5 minutes from Yale. Me and my friends were nearly broke and living in a shitty apartment and we still found the Yale chicks to be pretty easy. And BTW none of us went to an Ivy League School, or really had any money. We also witnessed guys who talked and sounded like you just get snickered at all the time. Most of you guys come off as snobs and lack almost any type of social skills or street smarts. Because of your shitty attitude and pretentiousness most women around here wouldn’t touch you. I remember sitting in bars with one of my exs(who is one of ‘your kind’ an Ivy Leaguer but not Yale) who would constantly laugh at many Yale guys pathetic attempts to pick up women and here she is with me a guy who is practically broke. Lol, yeah that’s how far your Ivy league status got you. All it’s going to get you is status whores, who are going to leave you in a heartbeat.

Gman, four words: Shut the fuck up, and read before you type. You are the biggest loser of them all on this site. Roosh is like Donald Trump compared to you. You go around all day posting on blogs and shit. You’re probably some 30 year old dude with a nest egg of like 50k, and manage to scrape together 10k a year to fuel your little habits, as you dwindle your life away on this earth without making any real big time money or contributing to society.
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Hahaha I agree, the G Manifesto is one of the most pretentious fakes on this blog. People who truly have means don’t boast about it at every turn. He is a tacky phony and it baffles me that people take him seriously.

Wait, why is the Ivy League guy being derided as “pretentious” when G Manifesto brags constantly about having ten-thousand dollar custom-made suits by the dozen, Phillippe Patek watches, Bugatti cars, supermodel SNLs, etc. Going to an Ivy League school is believable….G Manifesto’s grandiose assertions are NOT believable. Are you people really that gullible?

Too much fucking work. If I’m going to travel, I’d rather spend the time seeing the country and enjoying myself, rather than spending hours and hours in pursuit of a girl.

If I want to get laid, I just go to a brothel or hire an escort. MUCH better option, hotter chicks, and better sex.

Escorts in Argentina charge between 150 to 250 pesos ($40 USD to $65 USD).

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71(lol at the Ivy League Guy) is right.

I’m an Ivy Leaguer to(Dartmouth). I play football there(not a starter or anything, but was recruited). An Ivy education along with a D-1 athlete pedigree may seem nice.

Trust me-it makes ZERO difference with women if you don’t have game/confidence. For all of my academic and athletic achievements so far, I have ZERO conquests to show for it(not even a makeout session or anything).
I know plenty of guys who didn’t have the grades or athletic ability I had, and it doesn’t matter-they have MANY more women, so much so that I envy them. Why? They have confidence. When they approach women, they don’t come off as needy or nerdlike as I do, and it works, plain and simple. To young girls, that’s all that will matter. They don’t care about your earning potential, your degree or even necessarily your athleticism(as long as you look decent).

To asdsfsfasd(or whatever the username of the guy was), its great to be proud of being an Ivy Leaguer, but don’t wave that achievement around to try and compensate for the game/confidence you might lack right now. Firstly, it won’t work in getting women, and secondly because it makes you look kind of like a jerk.

Can the degree bring benefits later? I’d argue yes. I get decent grades here, and chances are a good job and some money will come with that. Money and a good career can help relieve some of the main problems betas/afcs like myself face(including the 18 Roosh outlined in an earlier blog post).

But you’re gonna be waiting for a long time for those benefits to kick in, and guys with game now are going to be having a whole lot more fun in the meantime. That’s just what it is-waving your pedigree around and sounding kind of like a jerk isn’t gonna change that. Your only other option is to actually train and get game. If you cant do that…then chill out.

Youre swinging to an opposite extreme when you say that an Ivy Leage pedigree has no value whatsoever in getting you girls.

All your story proves is that it isnt SUFFICIENT, but I dont think anyone said an Ivy League education is enough to get laid.

Its like saying that since a hideous guy with boils all over his face who lives in rags under the bridge cant get laid using even top notch game, game makes *no difference whatsoever*. Of course game is not SUFFICIENT to get chis, but it is a big part of it.

So too with Ivy League degrees or other indicators of high class – they may not be sufficient, or absolutely necessary, but they are HUGE helps.

Trust me, a well socialized guy with an Ivy League pedigree and great confidence will win out every time over a guy with equal confidence but from a much lower social strata, like a thug or a bartender, etc – not that these guys cant get hot girls with good game, its just that they are at a disadvantage when paired with a guy with class.

What confidence is with women is INDISPENSIBLE – you gotta have it, but it isnt on its own the be all and end all of female attraction.

Wow man!

Il Capo debrief of the strategies on Argentinean Women are spot on.

Man! the first few sentence almost fooled me out of me! Women! hehehe!

Wow! so gaming Argentinean Women is a 3-tiered Long Game. Man That Sucks (for Instant Gratification!) hehehe!

2 steps of the strategy is fine but 3? God dang it! Argentinean are a thorn in the ass!

I noticed the the strategy is more inclined on Social Circle strategy.

Wow! In my eyes, they’re nothing conservative women with an attitude!

You can blame it on the Spanish-Catholic Brainwash Induced Culture they grow up on!

Bitches!

P.S.

They’re still hot though! hehehe!
Just harder to game!
Hey! The Harder Resist…The More I Persist!
“Push the Envelop Guys!”

ivy league = zero help in getting laid
no one outside the corporate management, gives a shit about ivy league, especially young hot women
only thing we’ve learned so far is this comment section is filled with multiple ivy league cube dwelling virgins. never saw that coming. i wonder what they were searching for in google when they stumbled upon roosh’s site. lol

Damn, some of you have ZERO sense of humor. Stop taking everything so god damn seriously! If I read one more god damn serious post my god damn head is going to explode and I am going to go on a rampage!!!! RAAAAWWWRRRR

Strangely enough, I had more success with women as a gringo in Argentina than I usually do here in the States. Some thoughts…

1. Looks can help a lot, so I don’t think Jonk is full of shit. I don’t consider myself super guapo, but I’m not ugly, and I look nothing like Argentine guys. That probably helps to an extent.

2. I’m tall, even by American standards, with masculine features. I’m not the toughest or most imposing dude, but I could tell in Argentina that I had more of a presence and I seemed to be getting more respect in crowded clubs and whatnot. So I could be a nice guy and not feel like a wuss.

3. I have friends who are Argentinian who taught me the local slang. My Spanish is passable at best, but knowing a few slang words and phrases gave me more opportunities to use humor while talking to the ladies.

Man, people are so resistant to obvious truths that threaten their ego – of course hot young girls will be impressed by Ivy League. That should be so obvious it shouldnt even be in dispute. Is it enough? No. Does it help? Without question.

I dont know why some find that fact so threatening – you can still score hot girls with game, but guys with impressive credentials and indicators of high earning potential/high status will OF COURSE have a leg up in being appealing and attractive to women.

This is one of the fundamental tenets of Game – I cant believe its still in dispute.

Intelligence, sophistication, Ivy Leageue education – yep, sorry to rain on the parade, but that stuff turns women on when combined with confidence and dominance. In fact, combined with confidence, a sophisticated highly educated man is probably irresistable to sophisticated, beautiful women.

Its pure fantasy that beautiful, urban, sophisticated women are salivating over thugs or jocks or bartenders or the muscular pool repair guy, simply wit the addition of game. Guys like this have to use Game to OVERCOME the handicap of their social status, and with uncertain though occasional success, while the intelligent, sophisticated guy, provided he has good Game – has a practically unobstructed road into the hearts of beautiful women. Hes almost unstoppable.

IT might be consoling for some guys on the bottom of the totem pole in terms of intelligence and education to think those things simply dont matter – because they dont have them – but unfortunately they do matter.

But it shouldnt be so big of a deal, because with tight, top notch Game guys without high status/intelligence/education most certainly CAN get hot women, they are just on a lower footing, thats all.

Its not that big of a deal, but come on, people, we all need to realize, the hard, painful truths, no matter how irritating to our personal vanity.

Hey Jonathan!

You so friggin Clueless…you don’t know even know it!

-The Ivy League degree…
-Your Money…
-Whatever bullshit rank, status, image you wanna impose on is…

NOTHING BUT A CRUTCH!!!

Yes! You’re an Overcompensating, Clueless Idiot whose Self-Identity (Ego), hell even your Self-Esteem is tied (attach) to your stupid Money, Ivy League Degree, whatever image, status you have put in yourself! Betcha when you don’t have it you wouldn’t have the false self-confidence you know have.

Man Wake Up!
And that includes to the Ivy League Douchebags in here!

You’re (Pyschologically) Disabled you don’t even know it! Idiots!

Oh you’ll probably another one of those Management Lackey when you’re successful…whatever that means. If your so smart you’d be Entrepreneur so that you can enlarged your “Crutch”! hehehe!

“71 Lol At Ivy League Guy

I rarely read this blog, but the post by the guy talking about his â��Ivy League Educationâ�� is just too funny. Dude, let me tell you something, I used to live about 5 minutes from Yale. Me and my friends were nearly broke and living in a shitty apartment and we still found the Yale chicks to be pretty easy. And BTW none of us went to an Ivy League School, or really had any money. We also witnessed guys who talked and sounded like you just get snickered at all the time. Most of you guys come off as snobs and lack almost any type of social skills or street smarts. Because of your shitty attitude and pretentiousness most women around here wouldnâ��t touch you. I remember sitting in bars with one of my exs(who is one of â��your kindâ�� an Ivy Leaguer but not Yale) who would constantly laugh at many Yale guys pathetic attempts to pick up women and here she is with me a guy who is practically broke. Lol, yeah thatâ��s how far your Ivy league status got you. All itâ��s going to get you is status whores, who are going to leave you in a heartbeat.”

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Funny Shit man! HAHAHA!

Eat dirt Ivy League Douchebags!

I give you virtual “The Rock” handshake! HAHAHA!

Lol, hit a raw nerve, huh guys?

You guys need to chill out – there is no shame in admitting that education and intelligence count with women, even if you dont necessarily score very high in those departments.

*shitty attitude* *pretentiousness* *snobs* – these are all ways that low-status people describe those whose visible higher status they envy. You people reek of resentment of those higher in status than you, and resentment is not an attractive quality to women. Its like the guys who rail against the assholes getting the women.

There is nothing wrong with being an unabashed elitist – and heres a little secret, chics dig it. Instead of resenting the fact that some guys come easily to their elite status – and thus possess an inherent advantage with women over you – work on perfecting your game and youll do fine – okay, you wont have access to the best of the pool that is reserved for those who combine education and intelligence with confidence, but there are plenty of lesser though perfectly attractive women that will respond to your game. Go for it – stop hating on your betters.

@Jonathan:

“Youre swinging to an opposite extreme when you say that an Ivy Leage pedigree has no value whatsoever in getting you girls.

All your story proves is that it isnt SUFFICIENT, but I dont think anyone said an Ivy League education is enough to get laid.”

Alright, fair enough. I was being a little inaccurate in my statement there. I’ll concede I’m not experienced in the game so I can be wrong about a lot of this.
At the same time however, I still think your confidence is a much more significant factor than a degree. An Ivy Leaguer with enough confidence can clean up as well as anyone else, but I’m not sold on the notion that his degree will actually be a big reason for his success in the game.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I just can’t see these young girls really caring very much about one’s education level-at that age they just don’t seem to think “status” much unless they’re dealing with a much older guy(who has some game to go with his status). That same Ivy Leaguer with the same amount of confidence(minus the ivy league status) can probably clean up just as well if he’d went to a state school-the lack of Ivy isn’t going to hurt him at all.
Even if it did help, it doesn’t seem like guys without it are hurting much.

I think the results(read: money, status) an Ivy education can create may be more attractive than the degree itself.

“Its like saying that since a hideous guy with boils all over his face who lives in rags under the bridge cant get laid using even top notch game, game makes *no difference whatsoever*. Of course game is not SUFFICIENT to get chis, but it is a big part of it.”

With enough alcohol, I have a feeling that even an ugly guy like that will get laid so long as his game is at an elite level. I think this statement is equating the two factors we’re talking about(game and degree) as equal in importance. They’re not-game is a much bigger factor.

“What confidence is with women is INDISPENSIBLE – you gotta have it, but it isnt on its own the be all and end all of female attraction.”

…but the degree is dispensible, which is all I’m saying.

@Lovechild:

Crutch? What exactly is wrong with a using money and status?
We all agree that confidence is indispensible with women.
Money and status(the things you call “crutches”) can provide confidence. A lot of things can do that-athletic achievement, the possession of other talents or even the ability to study and implement the game better-all it leads to is providing more confidence.
Whatever confidence any of you guys have is developed in some way. Judging from how you talk, you didn’t get it from growing status or wealth, but you weren’t born with it.

With that said, who cares where it comes from?

I am from Argentina but I live in the USA and I agree with the initial concept of Argentine women being more difficult to nail. In my first six months in the US I already doubled up the count of women I fucked in Argentina all my life. Statistics like that don’t lie.
But at the same time I think that your bad experience with Argentine women was because you went for the big city upper-middle class white girls who dance house in clubs. Those girls are difficult by nature. Their whole existence is about being unattainable. They truly believe that they are the most beautiful women in the world and that you shall worship their beauty from a prudent distance. They all wanna be –or think they can be– super models, hence they value themselves too much, they think that they are giving YOU a privilege if they let you touch them so you shall do something extra to deserve this.
However, these are not ALL Argentine women. If you stayed longer, you could’ve immerse yourself in other social circles and underground scenes where the rules of the game are much simpler and girls are way easier.
Anyway, I’d rather stay away from Argentine women in general. They all expect to be worshiped and like being the center of the attention. I fucked a handful of Argies abroad and they still act the same way.

I’m stating what I have observed from my experience being around Yalies and how a lot of people around here respond to them. I personally know a lot of good looking 20-30 y/os who can’t stand them. Does having an Ivy League education help? Sure with certain types of girls.

I’ve seen landscapers and mechanics with no college degree nailing hotter girls than I’ve seen any guy who I knew was a Yalie with. Were these chicks doctors, or professors? No, they worked regular jobs, but they were hot so who cares about their profession.

And to say that chicks dig an unabashed elitist just shows you are either clueless, or you only hang around in your ‘elitist’ crowd. Because to the 99% of women who aren’t in your super high status circle, you just come off as a douche bag.

@ Jlaw45

You sort have a point…but i’m coming from a Mature Spiritual Perspective. Those “Crutches” (Money & Status) are in the end…Superficial!

Anyones ego attach to Money & Status are lying to themselves and sooner they’ll feel empty and not completely happy. It’s like spending money on a hooker! In the end…you blew your load but you feel empty and numb inside after it because it’s just sex and there’s no love in it.

You’re still a young buck, so still keep on dreaming your dreams and live your life man! But in the end,If you up end up empty, unhappy and unsatisfied while having all the money, women, & everything! Don’t blame me! I told you so! Being Happy and Well is more important than the Materialistic Consumerist Bullshit Values that Society Brainwashed on us! Don’t be broke for Christ Sake! But get you values and priorities straight!

@ Jonathan!

You’ve just wasted your Ivy League Degree!
And you call yourself Intelligent and Educated Man? Puh-leez! I’d rather be Street-Wise and Experience-Wise College Drop Out!

Look all the top billionaires in the world they’re all college drop outs (at least some of them!) Wait a minute…why am i wasting my words on you!

To cut it short…YOU’RE STILL FRIGGIN’ CLUELESS IDIOT! YOU’RE SO DELUSIONAL…YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW YOU’RE BLIND!

You’re probably a Nerdy Ivy Leaguer posing as a Can-Do Alpha Guy! Hehehe!

Oh were not envious of you…honestly…most of us DON’T GIVE A FUCK about your Money or Status!

If you seriously define yourself just on your Money or Status then your more lower than lowest of the low (which is poor people!) plus you’re not a human being, you’re a hypnotized, brainwashed, clueless automaton who is unaware of who he really is and what he really wants!

@ Lol At Ivy League Guy

HAHAHA! Amen to that bro!

Yeah! those landscapers and mechanics are probably more Manly than these Ivy League Douchebags!

HEY JONATHAN! HOW ABOUT THEM APPLES!!!

(Hehehe! stole that line from “Good Will Hunting”)

JLaw – yes, a degree isnt necessary to pick up hot women, and confidence is for sure far more important, but a lot of people have been saying that a prestigious degree has no value whatsoever in generating attraction in the opposite sex, and I think thats a naive and unrealistic attitude.

Theres a sort of meme that crops up all over the Seduction Community that education and intelligence are handicaps in getting women and girls all secretly salivate over thugs and jocks. Its such obvious bullshit – simply walk around Manhattan and you see he polar opposite – that its hard to see how anyone could take that seriously, and its interesting that it should appear in the Game community, because it is just another packaging of the *conventional* high school wisdom that girls go for jocks, when the whole point of Game is that it liberates you from that whole narrow and artificial perspective.

But this *crude* version of Game is in which intelligence is a handicap is something that needs to be thrown out the window.

Its not the education that does it – its not that girls find your thorough knowledge of the works of Shakespeare so hot – its that an Ivy League degree is a marker for higher social status and prestige, and well know girls like THAT.

You cant run around shouting – I have an Ivy League degree! – but when it emerges naturally in a conversation it almost always triggers greater interest and warmth and a perceptible opening up on the part of the girl. Ive experienced this too many times to have any illusions on this score.

It makes total sense that it WOULD based simply on the tenets of Game – girls are hypergamous, right? They are naturally attuned to markers of high status and that turns them on. Game is based on a recognition of this and shows men how to develop a personality characteristic of high status men – but status comes in many forms, some forms manifest in your personality, and this we can manipulate through Game, and some forms of status are more objective and less open to manipulation, but also a factor in being attractive to women, whether we like it or not.

If you ever have the ability to live overseas in a highly classist society, I recommend you do so, its an interesting experience – things arent essentially different form what they are in America, but they are thrown into stark relief and everything is etched in clear, bold lines. If you are not upper class, and cant display that in your appearance and demeanor, you have ZERO chance with quality women. Zero. No matter what your game. And the markers for upper class that you have to satisfy before a woman will even consider your advances have nothing to do with your personality.

Obviously America, with our egalitarianism, isnt quite like that, but the same basic principles apply, just in muted, attenuated form, and we would be foolish to discount.

All indicators of high status help – none are sufficient without a confident personality, but it is naive to think that those guys who are top dogs in their respective societies dont have a leg up with women. Basic knowledge of female sexuality tells you this.

At the risk of attracting the troll…my last comments on the Ivy League thing, not apropo of the previous flame war, but just of the sexual value of the status/Ivy League creds thing in general.

I went to a private prep school in my area, and almost every one of my high school friends went Ivy League. I didn’t. Therefore, I have myself as a reference, in addition to a large pool of people who I know very well, inclusive of the intimate details of their love lives. Some of my close Ivy League friends are now doctors(3 of them), and others are reasonably well positioned attorneys.

Here’s the deal: None of it matters.

Almost every one of these guys, with the exception of one of my close attorney friends who studies game and is a bit of a Lothario, has no exceptional skill in attracting exceptional women. I’m the best of the bunch in that department, with my attorney friend as company.

One of my Doctor friends is absolutely awful with women, and married an unattractive one who he can’t figure out how to keep happy. She runs his life. We routinely give him advice, but it doesn’t help because he has no foundation, and he won’t change.

Another of my doctor friends, who has model good looks in addition, married a girl way below what he could have gotten with some game. A status obsessed, power hungry attorney with sub-par looks. She’s very smart, but completely unfeminine, and annoying as fuck.

My third doctor friend married a nice attractive girl, although she has plumped up since marriage and is a bit short (read: a future dumpy middle ager), but she essentially chose him. He has no game, and never had any. He’s just nice, and smart, which is attractive to many women. And I’m sure the Doctor status helped. He was was lucky to land a decent one, and hopefully she has a good heart. i really don’t know her that well.

I guess one out of three of my Ivy League doctor friends having a decent partner is OK, but it doesn’t warrant the conclusion that they have any exceptional power due to their background or position.

Here’s where the Ivy League Education does help: In being able to network with a higher class of woman in general, and being able to keep up with them and keep them engaged in conversation. For a smart guy, its important to meet women who are up to your level, as well. Thats hard to do, in any great number, outside of certain circles. But the rules of game still apply, and these women want to FEEL something like any other girl. Being smart and connected will buy your ticket, but won’t get you backstage. You’ve got to have game for that, unless you want to wait for some broad to choose you, and have no say in who that will be.

@anonymous: “simply walk around Manhattan and you see he polar opposite â�� that its hard to see how anyone could take that seriously, and its interesting that it should appear in the Game community”

I would argue that it’s not so much the ivy-league education itself, but its role in displaying your socio-economic status that makes the any difference. If you’re a rich Manhattanite with a sweet pad in SoHo, with a degree from Pratt, I’m pretty sure you will get more poontang than your brethren who went to H-Y-P.

You know who gets the most pussy in Manhattan? Terry Richardson. He doesn’t even have a college degree, let alone have any connection with H-Y-P. He bangs models and takes photos of them sucking him off. Does he, or the models he is banging, give a shit about him not having a college degree? No.

Your HYP friends, if they get laid, aren’t getting laid because of their degree, trust me. They’re getting laid because the girls they are bedding are from similar backgrounds, and they feel more comfortable giving it up to a dude from a background they recognize, than some “PUA” from Montreal.

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@ 90 Anonymous

You have a point. I agree with your explanation of the nature on gaming on high class social circles.

But basing your game on your Ivy League degree…come on! Even if that happens to you…that’s still just SUPERFICIAL!

Presenting naturally in a conversation that you’ve attended a prestigious and not even bothered or over-emphasizing it too much…i guess that could work.

But Chris and Bez comments are much more realistic that your own explanation man!

Money and Status is just an image, outward trappings that don’t even last.

I mean grow up guys!

@anonymous 90:

Ok, I think we can agree there. The degree can help if used properly when gaming a girl.

AS far as classist societies go, I ought to visit one someday. I know some Latin American countries are quite classist, but in places like Brazil my skin tone(I’m black Jamaican) could hurt me since blacks are considered “lower class” there.
One day I’ll give it a shot though-just got to make sure they know I’m an American and work from there.

@lOVECHILD:

“You sort have a point…but i’m coming from a Mature Spiritual Perspective. Those “Crutches” (Money & Status) are in the end…Superficial!”

That’s true, but the condifedence these crutches can provide is not superficial at all.
At the end of the day that’s all that matters.

“Anyones ego attach to Money & Status are lying to themselves and sooner they’ll feel empty and not completely happy. It’s like spending money on a hooker! In the end…you blew your load but you feel empty and numb inside after it because it’s just sex and there’s no love in it.”

Well sure, I’m well aware of that possibility. I’d love to actually find a girl I cared about(even at my young age) and have a real relationship with love and all that. It’d be nice.

Except it won’t happen. Why? many reasons, but bottomline I lack the confidence to execute game and get a girl. If I wait for the “love”(or whatever other substance is available in a real relationship) I’ll basically be alone for a very long timespan(decades to eternity, or somewhere in between).

As for the emptyness, I feel that now anyway. Sure, feeling empty after good sex devoid of love isn’t as good as life can get.

Feeling entirely devoid of sexual gratification (no girls, no confidence feeding lack of belief you can get girls, minimum contact with girls, consistent rejection and no sex) is worse. Much worse.
Add to that the fact that most of your peers don’t have this problem, and you’ve got a bad situation.
My choice? I’ll take the sex without the love over the lonely alternative, thanks.
Will I be “completely happy”? No. Will I be happy? Probably. I’ll take it.

“But in the end,If you up end up empty, unhappy and unsatisfied while having all the money, women, & everything!”

Better than I feel now.

“Being Happy and Well is more important than the Materialistic Consumerist Bullshit Values that Society Brainwashed on us!”

I’m at an Ivy now only because the school’s financial aid recognizes my economic situation. I grew up with enough financial issues to understand very clearly how important money is to your happiness and well being.

Society’s values with money may or may not be BS, but regardless its the society we live in.

“But get you values and priorities straight!”

My priorities…

1. Get a good GPA.
2. Get a good job in a field I feel good about.
3. Execute job as flawlessly as possible.
4. Profit.
5. Profit some more.

The women will come in somewhere between steps 4 and 5.
Does that list emphasize money? Well, yes, maybe a lot, but I know that if it didn’t focus that way I’d have no women and little in the way of happiness.
That’s how it is for some people-not everyone can be fortunate enough to derive confidence in the non-material/status methods you have. Some(for many reasons, some social/environmental) are better off doing it the way I outlined.

JLaw45:

I agree with you about the importance of money, to an extent, but waiting to make it to meet women is insane, and I believe that you will regret it. I used to feel the same way, when I was in my early twenties, and now I don’t.

Life is passing you by bro, and your gonna have a sweet spot in age where you will have the chance to bed a certain type of woman. After that sweet spot passes, it gets exponentially harder. That spot tends to be where you don’t look or act like a college student/kid anymore, but your not too much older, either. Pretty much the age between 27-35, depending on how fast/slow you age. I have a baby face, and so it took longer for me to reach that spot. A baby face can actually hurt game if you look too young. But now I’m in it, and getting women is like butter, with a little bit of game, in a way that its never been. And it has nothing to do with income, as long as you ca afford to go on dates and buy decent clothes. Usually, most guys arent making a ton of money during this time. Every day matters until I look too old to pull the younger girls that I like (my preference is between 24-35). But every day matters until then, as I’ll never get this time of my life back. Don’t waste it waiting to make money. Get good NOW. Bed women NOW. By the way, i feel so sorry for all of my friends that married early and are missing out on the variety that they could have had in this time of their lives. They just have no idea what they missed. That being said, they seem to enjoy their kids.

My point being, also, that waiting for money is pretty much an excuse not to put in the necessary work to have good game. Don’t make excuses, as you have to put in the work no matter what or suffer the lonely consequences. You may as well pay your dues now, while you have a better social network in college, and reap the rewards later. Its harder to open new social networks, outside of work, once you leave school. Use your environment to your maximum advantage. Grab your balls, develop your game(I recommend being direct), and go sex some girls.

I’m addicted to comments now! Censorship sucks, though, really stands in a way of enjoynment, like fucking in a condom. But still good

Chris is 100% right. Never wait for anything to go out and improve. Money, your friends, whatever, just go out and do it. Money is important in life and it’s a good goal, but don’t be one of those people who waits to get rich before trying to get good with women. The problem with that form of thinking is that it’s coming from a position of weakness. (‘I need something outside of myself to get laid’, it’s totally fucking wrong!) I would take advantage of college as much possible. I bedded the hottest girl of my life when I had no money, and lived in a shitty apartment in a not so nice neighborhood. Her credentials? 26 and a a law student, so she wasn’t a loser by any means. I did pretty well in the year I was broke, in fact somehow I did better when I was broke then now when I have some cash. It came down to the fact that in my broke days, I had nothing to lose, and just didn’t care. So nobody can really tell me that you need money or status, to get hot girls. My response would be, well I did it, and I had jack shit. Did I have more desire that most? Probably, did I get rejected more than most? Definitely, but I did it.

I would argue that the reason rich guys and such seem to have success is not totally due to the money itself, but due to the confidence that the money gives them. The reality of it is though nobody should depend on something outside of themselves for confidence.

Chris and Lol At Ivy League Guy is FRIGGIN’ RIGHT ON THE MONEY on their comments.

Lol At Ivy League Guy…that shit is inspirational! Now I really have no excuse at all now when it comes to women.

@Jlaw45

Dude, just finish your college. It’s an good insurance on getting a good job and being promoted in the real world.

But know this…Your Ivy League degree is not enough get yourself rich. Read the “The 4-Hour Workweek” or “E-mtyh Revisited”. Hell even read 50 Cent’s and Robert Greene’s “The 50th Law”. If those didn’t change mindset into a Entrepreneurial or Hustler’s mindset, i don’t know what will. That will your mind-view and world-view on how the really the world is.

Hey i’m with you on raising or at least trying to raise myself above my economic bracket. Nothing wrong with making our lives better you know. I agree with your priority no. 1 but no.2 thru 5…I don’t think so. In the “4-hour Work Week”,Tim Ferriss the author of the book calls this “The Differed Life Plan” It’s a DEAD-END! Hell even “Climbing the Corporate Ladder “is a DEAD-END! But finish degree unless you wanna end up like a bum in a street which you don’t!

Improving yourself with women, do it now Just like Lol At Ivy League Guy said! Nothing is stopping you. Not even yourself!

Being broke used to be my big sticking point…thanks to Lol At Ivy League Guy not anymore! hehehe!

Lol At Ivy League Guy you kick ass…well make that you kick ass in tapping that ass! hehehe!

@Lovechild:

“But know this…Your Ivy League degree is not enough get yourself rich.”

Of course I’m aware of that. It does help a lot, though.
As for the corporate ladder thing, I’ve always planned some entrepeneurial goals for the future. The thing is, I need at least some capital to make that happen.

I can get that, along with a massive amount of practical business experience, in the corporate world. Less risk, and still plenty of profit.

@Chris:

“Life is passing you by bro, and your gonna have a sweet spot in age where you will have the chance to bed a certain type of woman.”

This won’t happen now, but there will come a time where I will confidently bed any type of woman I want, any age, any nationality, anything. I will mature, calm down, be less emotional around women, gain experience, and confidence. Combine that with a good career and financial success(which will help facilitate the stuff I outlined before) and I doubt I’ll have a problem.

“That spot tends to be where you don’t look or act like a college student/kid anymore, but your not too much older, either.”

I must be pretty lucky then. I’ve been told I look like a 31-35 year old man already, starting at age 17. Never had the babyface issue.

“Usually, most guys arent making a ton of money during this time.”

Steps 4 and 5 for me(profit) will peak around my mid thirties. I’ll have left business school at 26 or 27(28 at the latest), and my earning potential after that will only grow. I won’t be bill gates but I plan to be pretty liquid by then.

Granted, i see what you’re saying. I’ll have to make sure I stay in great shape.

“Every day matters until I look too old to pull the younger girls that I like (my preference is between 24-35).”

Money takes care of that issue. Get enough of it and you can pull 20 somethings well into your fifties.
Just don’t marry any of them.

“But every day matters until then, as I’ll never get this time of my life back. Don’t waste it waiting to make money. Get good NOW. Bed women NOW.”

I’ve tried to get better.
Since I became a freshman here a couple months ago I’ve come closer to woman than I ever have been before. Still never made out, but I at least found out what grinding was like(yes, I am that far behind with girls).

Alcohol has helped. I’d never touched the stuff before 2 months ago. when i tried some of it and got a buzz, I’d never felt as confident. Suddenly I could actually approach girls, even grab one and start dancing. It was like a brick wall had moved-I could never do a cold approach(even a lukewarm one) before.

That said, the whole chase has gotten old. I read this site now to get tips for the future(and rare instances in the present), but I’ve tired of the college scene already.

I’m bored of wasting hours in frats with girls who won’t talk to me.
I’m bored of texting chicks and never having them respond.
I’m tired of watching chicks I like give me lame excuses before i catch them making out with some other dude.
I’m tired of going out again and again(like i have been since middle school), and getting rejected again and again, and feeling like crap. I’m tired of trying to figure out why these girls seem so disinterested in me(I’m really not ugly).
I’m tired of being called a “nice guy” no matter how hard I try not to be.

I’m not meant for the game just yet-I’m too reserved and “nice” naturally as a person and I just don’t have the confidence to make up for that.
But I do have good grades, a great education and connections. So why not make the best of what I have?
I can come up with pickup lines, but Ferrari’s and Aston Martins speak for themselves(much louder, to).

JLaw45

On a Good Note…knowing what i know I would take advantage of every opportunity socially and sexually with the ladies at your age. Hmmm…College!

On a not so good note…Ferrari and Aston Martins don’t really speak for themselves. They’ll get you attention from but…not seal the deal except with goldiggas!

I guess you’re still a young man! As you mature, you’ll get what we’re saying

You gotta study the game man, and i don’t mean the game that the stupid seduction community propagate, I mean learn from some naturals.

You can start with this for mindset:

The Black Philip Show – Patrice Oneal

http://gt-6.com/sdb/audio/8619-patrice-oneal-black-philip-show-hilarious.html

On a side note…Ferrari’s are good on performance but it will BREAK YOUR BANK on insurance and gas…so it ain’t worth in terms of investment unless you’re filthy effing rich! Kinda Hot Greedy Bitches! hehehe!

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