When I had a job I’d spend over $500 a month to pick up girls in bars and clubs to take them out on dates. That $500 amount is now my entire budget for the month but my horniness has not ebbed. How do I continue getting laid while living in a suburban desert without opportunities for daytime game?
Here’s how I do it…
1. Clubs are out. They’re just too pricey, even if you get in for free. With a basic vodka drink at $8 you’re looking at spending at least $40 just to get your ears blasted while repeating “What did you say?” all night long to chicks who wish they were Lindsey Lohan. It’s a stupid waste of money, especially if you’re game is talking instead of dancing. It’s important to be a competent dancer but if you are the old guy in the club your supreme dancing skills will be seen as weird and creepy instead of attractive.
2. Weekend game is out. I can’t deny that most girls I’ve laid are from ones I’ve met on the weekend, but is it because the girls who go out on the weekend are easier or because most of the nights I’ve gone out on happen to fall on the weekend? I’m not entirely sure, but let’s face it: weekends are amateur nights, for people who do nothing during the week except work and watch TV. By Friday they are way too excited to go all-out and get sloshed with a group of friends to half-ass the mating dance. When midnight strikes all the girls will be less receptive they should be (based on their quality) because they have been hit on by too many guys in a short period of time.
At the end of a weekend night 98% of all participants fail in their goal to get laid or pair bond. The puffed up jockeying of the guys and the wannabe celebrity attitudes of the girls are replaced with the fascinating late-night feeding behavior, a relatively new phenomenon not seen in our parents time. The herd begins to eat pizza, cheeseburger, gyros, and sometimes falafel, to fill their empty tummies of loneliness and failure. Many will walk out of these eating establishment with grease running halfway down their face.
Weekdays have a more laid back crowd making it easier to meet someone, with fewer guys humping a girl’s leg because of liquid courage and less girls who think they have more options than the zero options they actually have. I met a girl during the weekday at a bar and even though she was a regular she told me I was the first guy who ever approached her there. Maybe she was lying, maybe not, but my point remains.
A downside of weekday bar game is that there are fewer girls, but this is quickly compensated by approaches that are far more likely to result in a loooong conversation. You’ll have to approach two girls to get something instead of five or more on a weekend. I found a Tuesday bar that has given me bountiful fruit from just a couple visits.
Also weekdays are cheaper if you take advantage of a happy hour’s tail end. My average cost for a weeknight is $20, while for a weekend it’s $40. All else being equal do the weekends produce double the results or fun? No, they don’t. If you can find a nice bar on Monday through Wednesday then you are set, but take care on Thursday nights because those tend to be stupid college girl night.
3. Public or bicycle transportation. Cars are ridiculously expensive. You have the car payment, insurance, maintenance, upkeep (tires, battery, windshield wipers), car washes, parking tickets, DUI arrests, and gas. Even if I take taxis everywhere it’s still cheaper than owning a car. But there are two problems with public transportation:
- During the weekday the subway stops early at midnight, so I’m stuck with a hefty cab ride if I decide to ride out the night until 2am closing. This means I have to start very bright and early at 8pm, a time when things are barely getting started. (Solution: Feel out the vibe when the clock hits 11:30am, when you should know if sweet fruit will be obtained or not. Always stay flexible, like a ballet dancer.)
- Pre-drinking is a no go. If the bus ride takes an hour, drinking at home and just sitting on the bus for an hour will destroy your buzz. It will not be as good when you eventually start drinking again at the bar. (Solution: Don’t use alcohol as a crutch to talk to girls. This is something you should be working on long term.)
4. Start your dates at events, not bars. This happened by accident. In my quest to be a cultured man of the world I looked for events like the Greek Festival or European Embassy Open House. There is a lot of substance for fun conversation and you can cap it off with a couple drinks at a cheap neighborhood bar. She won’t care you took her to a dump because you were so original with your date idea. Here you are looking at a $20 date instead of the automatic $60-80 date if you take her to nice lounges like Topaz or Chi-Cha Lounge. By the way, did you know there are still guys taking girls out to dinners? Haha morons.
A good place to find events is the Events tab on Yelp which spoon feed you a wide variety of things to do. In effect you are outsourcing your date ideas, but the girl has no idea and your creativity score will shoot through the fucking roof.
The end result is I spend a third of what I used to spend but I go out less and get laid much more. The get laid more is due to factors besides the scope of this post (continually improving game, for example), so it’s possible your mileage from only going out one weekday a week will hurt your results unless you’re already at a certain level. Another downside is that it will take quite a bit of time investment to find a good weekday spot. You’ll have to experiment.
Every time a buddy calls me on Saturday night to see if I’m staying in to write and drink beer alone there is that moment when I almost say yes, but then I remember the amateurs and ugly white girls who spend so much time to look good only to wear cheap flip flops. How about Tuesday night?Tweet Follow @rooshv
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I do agree weeknights are the way to go. I sit at a bar alone (something a lot of women are afraid to do) at a place where I am a regular. Good conversation always ensues. I have meet a few interesting people.
You mention this but bears repeating though; it is much harder to actually pull off getting laid on a weeknight. People just aren’t plowed enough.
Also, if you become a regular you drink for free or very reduced. I realize that as a woman, it is much easier for my glass to keep magically filling, but even men who are regulars can get a deal.
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Re: Weeknights and not being plowed enough. Two words: School. Teachers. Viva summer!
But as for taking people out to dinner, really? As you say, a daytime event is a great idea for a date. But going out to a nice restaurant will never go out of style.
There are two kinds of girls. The kind who will screw you within 2 hours of meeting you, and that appears to be your target. Then there’s the kind who have some class, the kind you might actually want around for more than one night. That kind is not going to be very interested in hanging out very long with the unemployed cheapskate who’s idea of a dinner date is a footlong from Wonderland.
Now, now let’s keep it real. You have a lifestyle that’s suited for going out on the weeknight and not having to go to work at the crack of dawn, and jerk off to the American Apparel website as a single salty tear runs down your cheek while you think about the corporate slavery your life has become.
On top of that put in the fact that after work, two hours minimum four times a week to keep an attractive figure AND then after that cooking your own dinner. By the time it’s all said and done most people are too tired to even think about going out and getting laid.
Cooking all of your meals gets tiring after a while (especially if you’re a guy and all you know how to cook is chicken, steak, potatoes, mac and cheese, oven baked lasagna). So it’s nice to go to a restaurant and have someone else cook for you. I’m sorry you’re my man 50 grand and shit but we’re not THAT close where you and I can go have a nice meal and share a bottle of wine. I mean don’t get me wrong you’re attractive and all but mother fucker you aint no John Stamos. (NO, MO)
jerking it to american apparel. fucking classic, and so, so true.
“i was shopping for my girl, what’s wrong with it?”
If you go out to a bar by yourself, how do you not look like a loner? I wouldn’t mind trying to go out and game by myself, but not having friends there, doesn’t that make you look bad?
totally agree. my most memorable bangs AND relationships were with girls i met on weeknights. clubs — too loud. my game is smooth talkin’. weekends are OK if you get your work done before 11:30pm. after that time the hordes of sausage start marching in and the girls react accordingly with superinflated egos and defensive postures. public transportation? well, this is where living in the city shines. i just roll out the front door.
i’ve mentioned it before on my blog, but the best dive bar to take a date is bedrock. i did it again recently and the chick went NUTS over the Wii they have installed there. Wii + inappropriate touching = sex. it’s a goddamn aphrodisiac. i probably shouldn’t be giving it away.
btw, i’ll be at your tuesday bar tonight.
how do you not look like a loner?
i do it sometimes. if asked, just say your friends are upstairs.
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You just created an awesome “opener” for me…
“hey girls, you ever notice the…(insert quote)”
“The puffed up jockeying of the guys and the wannabe celebrity attitudes of the girl are replaced with the fascinating late-night feeding behavior, a relatively new phenomenon not seen in our parents time. The herd begins to eat pizza, cheeseburger, gyros, and sometimes falafel, to fill their empty tummies of loneliness and failure. Many will walk out of these eating establishment with grease running halfway down their face.”
“Many will walk out of these eating establishment with grease running halfway down their face.” man Roosh this is some funny sh*t …
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nice post, Roosh. I swear you, Roissy and VK are like the tri-force of game theory (and practice) in DC.
Lemmonex said: “Also, if you become a regular you drink for free or very reduced. I realize that as a woman, it is much easier for my glass to keep magically filling, but even men who are regulars can get a deal.”
Has any guy ever really gotten a free drink from a bartender? I find it hard to believe that (male) regulars really get much of a deal… female regulars might get free drinks, but it’s all with the subtext that the bartender wants to bang you.
Hmm, you are wrong.
He wants to keep the girl sitting at the bar, talking to the lonely male patrons, happy. The more the men drink while talking to me, the more money he makes.
It is a common practice that many restaurant managers endorse.
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Lemmonex: Ah yes – that might play a part too!
Very interesting post with some great points.
Weeknights are way better than weekends. More interesting girls out as well. Just do a little research and find the good spots. I typically swoop three different girls before the weekend even begins. Then I can just kick back and relax come weekend time.
Cabs, limos, and towncars are way better than driving. No DUI’s and no parking trouble.
The events move is a classic. Good work on Mentioning the Greek Festival. Thats old school DC right there.
Here are some other tips I wrote about for swooping girls without alot of money: http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2008/02/swooping-girls-in-down-market.html
“but then I remember the amateurs and ugly white girls who spend so much time to look good only to wear cheap flip flops.” – hilarious.
#5 “how do you not look like a loner?”
- Be the man.
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“living in a suburban desert”
- This has got to change. Life is short. You have to live where you party.
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Totally agree about school nights vs. weekends. Weekends are amateur hour.
I’ve become a regular at a bar here in SF and it has resulted in many free drinks. You just have to invest some time and go alone sometimes; Going alone shows you’re not timid and it’s easier to strike up conversation with the bartender. I’ve also learned to pay with a card because this place has cameras. It also helps to offer the bartender a drink.
In going to the bar, I got to know the manager for a new restaurant in town, so the next date I had I took her to this restaurant and we were basically hooked up with 4 glasses of wine, 2 shots of Fernet, and a dessert–and not to mention totally impressing my date by knowing the manager of a new trendy restaurant and getting hooked up.
If you get to know the bartender(s) you’re not a loner. You could also play the bad-ass George Thorogood, “I drink alone” angle.
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hilarious shit. some guys still take girls out to dinner, suckers. nice. and so tru [i'm one of them and it sucks]. strait hilarious shit abt the the late night food to fill the emotional emptiness. Whats wrong w/ the burbs, at least you dont get robbed and all the bums are across the Potommac
“Then there’s the kind who have some class, the kind you might actually want around for more than one night.”
you think she has class, but she’s screwing me 2 hours after meeting me. She only has class if you think she does. all girls are sluts… come on that’s game 101
“how do you not look like a loner?”
very unfortunate way of framing the situation. ive been out alone dozens of times… in fact it has some advantages of going out with a big group. you are the lost puppy… girls want to adopt you
The truth of all this is that girls will date whom they want to date, not the guy who is actually the best long-term choice.
I found, living and working in the DC area for 11 years, that most desirable young white professional women in the area would rather date a tall, extremely good-looking, but dirt-poor guy with no ambition whatsoever (i.e., a slacker, moocher, player or starving artist type), with an average personality, than a highly intelligent guy who happens to be average looking, but who has long-term assets like an advanced degree, lots of ambition, an excellent job, and a great personality.
So in other words, for the educated young white women of the DC area, looks count for about 80-90% when choosing a guy to date, and absolutely nullify lack of ambition, money or career prospects.
I’d be interested to see a poll of the young white female demographic in the DC area, asking for an HONEST answer to that question — i.e., not “what kind of guy would you choose in an ideal world”, but “what kind of guys have you actually chosen to date, or if a choice was presented to you tomorrow, what kind of guy would you choose?”
Incidentally, this “looks” preference is very much an American thing. It’s increasingly true all over the US, but has been true in the big cities (especially east coast) for a long time.
I think it is part and parcel of the way women have been meretriciously (look it up) “empowered” in the US, and all the preferences and privileges given to American women by this society, and the fact that unlike in other parts of the world, feminism actually exerts an incredible influence (even a stranglehold) here.
I’ve never bought a girl a drink at a bar. I get laid all the time. They pay for me on dates. Why is that? I think it might be because I’m not a half-queer living in my father’s basement. I also haven’t spent years living life as a beta male and studying how to pick up chicks in internet bulletin boards with other like-minded losers.
Joe T — well put. Young, single DC women aren’t looking for husbands when they go out at night, or even on a few dates. It’s only when you get up to the 27+ year old range that they stop dating the bad boy and are looking for the workadaddy to finance the babymaking.
re: not looking like a loner and getting free drinks.
Find a neighborhood bar you like that seems to have a good mix of youngish people. Go early by yourself on several different week nights. Take a book or a paper, have a couple of drinks, eat dinner at the bar, get to know the bar tender. TIP REALLY WELL. I’m talking well in excess of 20% the first few nights out. The bar tender gets to know your order, opens a beer for you when you walk in, grats you a beer here and there. Eventually when you make a big night out of it, your tab will come in half of what it should be.
Think of it as a new way to meet people who are out to relax and enjoy themselves. That’s what bars are for, afterall.
Just to reenforce: go early to become friends with the bartender. Don’t expect the bartender to listen to your stories in the middle of the 11 pm rush.
if you’re really spending any substantial amount of time worrying about what women want, you’ve already lost. it implies that you’re trying to become what she’s looking for.
if that describes you, then you’d be much better off figuring out who you are and then looking for a girl who syncs up with what you want.
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Re: free drinks for guys – that’s bullshit.
So you need to tip extra, imbibe (and pay for) a few extra beers, in excess of what you would normally enjoy drinking, just so you MIGHT get a free one every now and then?
Weeknights in nyc are spectacular, especially in the east vill where it can feel like you’re swimming in chicks. True story, you’re more likely to close with a chick you’ve met during the week than during the weekend here. This is the reason why its worth living in manhattan in an overpriced shitty shoe boxed size apartment but if you’ve got a nice place in a choice location it will feel like you’ve got chicks permanently connected to your janx.
As for free drinks for guys, it happens. Usually you’ve gotta know the owners or the bartender and be a regular at a local joint. It won’t happen at a trendier spot in nyc that’s for sure.
@ Joe T.:
“I found, living and working in the DC area for 11 years, that most desirable young white professional women in the area would rather date a tall, extremely good-looking, but dirt-poor guy with no ambition whatsoever (i.e., a slacker, moocher, player or starving artist type), with an average personality, than a highly intelligent guy who happens to be average looking, but who has long-term assets like an advanced degree, lots of ambition, an excellent job, and a great personality.”
lol I’m guessing this second guy with the great job and personality just happens to be you? Maybe the women are turned off by your arrogance and tendency to tell people to “look up” fairly common words. Not attacking you, but maybe you assume too much about your “great personality.” 90% of the posts on this blog and Roosh’s whole book are aimed at dismantling the self-defeating blame game you just indulged in.
No, you either enjoy having a beer or two at a bar at the end of the day or not. If you do, find a local place, become a regular. You don’t have to drink extra. Just tip well on your two beers. Assuming the bartender is cool. If he/she is an asshat, find a different bar. That’s the point: Find a bar you actually enjoy hanging out at, not because you want free drinks. The freebies are just a cherry on top.
Tipping well will help the bar tenders like you, but if you’ve got something interesting to say most nights and your not a pain in the ass, most bartenders will comp you a beer pretty regularily. The real bennies kick in when you decide to tie one on with friends: free shots, 30-40% discount on tabs, moving to front of the line when crowded for drinks.
In the end the world is divided into two camps: those that worked in the business and tip well, and those that don’t. I’m trying to pass along common knowledge from those of us that worked in the industry, but whatever…
Also, any girl who is out with a friend or two on a tuesday night and putting away more than a few is probably open minded to nocturnal activities.
@ mike says:
Since when is “meretricious” a “fairly common word”? Or are you just trying to get under my skin in a calculated and backhanded way by feigning a lack of awe my dazzling rhetorical bling? :)
Seriously, I’m not engaged in either self-doubt or grandiosity, or even self-delusion here; I’m just stating the facts as I see ‘em.
It’s funny, everytime I put up a post about this subject on either Roosh’s or Roissy’s blog (which is quite rare these days), someone named “mike” harshes on me and tries to make me see my personal failings. (Could all of these “mikes” be the same guy?)
Ha! As if I have any personal failings!!
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Sometimes when you buy another chick at the bar a drink the female bartender gets all emotional and buys you one.
#16 “Whats wrong w/ the burbs”
bars close early
no good tailors
Better question is “What is not wrong with the suburbs?”
Have fun at Olive Garden. I heard their food is very Authentic Northern Italian.
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“What is not wrong with the suburbs?” – double negative.
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You’re cheap. Alphas = not cheap.
Weekday nights is definitely more fruitfull. I had become a regular at a TGIF of all places. I’ve gotten to know all of the bartenders really well and the female bartenders would hook me up with free drinks on occassion.
My game says not to directly pick up on servers and bartenders because during an 8 hour shift they probably go through more shotty attempts at getting picked up than your typical female. Instead what happens is that the servers and bartenders become very comfortable with me because I never try anything on them (but what they don’t see is that I really am).
Be warned though. After my third hook up with a server there you kind of start to wear your welcome thin if you’re not careful. The good thing is there’s a pretty high turnover rate for servers and bartenders at these chain restaraunts. After a couple of months or so you’ll see a whole new crop of fresh faces.
Another payoff to working a bar like that is the bartenders will scoop you on the new girls, and making it easier to get some kind of dividend out of your time spent there.
“I had become a regular at a TGIF of all places.”
- Ouch. Find a better base of operations. You do speak the truth though, if you chill at restaurants and clubs, pretty soon the girls will all hit on you.
And you do need to be careful not to “scalp” the place too hard. Or else you can kill the golden goose…so to speak.
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That was a tour de force, Roosh. Bravo.
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