Katie J.M. Baker Purposefully Distorted My Work To Advance Her Socialist Agenda

Jezebel writer Katie J.M. Baker recently wrote an article in Dissent magazine that reviews Don’t Bang Denmark. And by “reviews,” I mean cherry-picks the contents to create a fictional narrative that game doesn’t work in socialist countries. Many left-leaning outlets such as The Hairpin, Washington Monthly, Kottke, and NY Magazine celebrated the article as proof of socialism’s doubleplus goodness and game’s ineffectiveness. I imagine it was like hitting two birds with one stone for them. I can forgive these outlets because they didn’t read the book, but Katie did. She knows her argument has no standing, but chose to mislead the public instead. I would like to set the record straight.

While correctly stating my age isn’t a big deal, I knew the article was going to be a doozy when the very first opening sentence had a factual inaccuracy (I’m 34, not 33). Another blunder:

He vows never to return to the Polish city of Katowice unless forced to “maintain the pussy flow.”

I’ve never been to Katowice. Here’s what I wrote in Bang Poland, which she apparently skimmed:

Two cities I wanted to check out, but was unable to, were Warsaw and Katowice.

Minor mistakes aside, she proceeds to misconstrue my conclusion that Denmark is a place of low-quality women who require a more beta-fied game.

What’s blocking the pussy flow in Denmark? The country’s excellent social welfare services. Really.

But the book never stated that the pussy flow was blocked in Denmark, just that there was low quality, masculine pussy.

Fans of the travel writer will be disappointed that “pussy literally goes into hibernation” in this “mostly pacifist nanny state,” where the social programs rank among the best in the world.

Allow me to reveal the full quote from Don’t Bang Denmark so her dishonesty can be made clear:

One big problem with Denmark is the weather. The winter is long and dark, with the whole month of December seeing only forty-two hours of sunlight. Pussy literally goes into hibernation, as I got to experience upon my still-cold March arrival. Not until the weather warmed up slightly in late April did I start slaying Danish women, making me feel almost like I was in a different country compared to when I first arrived.

She changed the meaning quite a bit, didn’t she? All cold environments suffer from this hibernation effect, even Washington DC, where women “bun up” for the winter, but Katie maliciously distorts my quote to make it appear that I’m saying pussy goes into some sort of neverending hibernation because of… social programs. Only a Jezebel writer can come up with something so fantastically strange.

Roosh’s game cannot accommodate the Danish women he meets because the PUA community assumes women seek evolutionarily advantageous traits in men that boil down to a dominant, caveman masculinity, even if they don’t realize that’s what turns them on; one PUA tactic, “negging,” refers to the art of dropping backhanded compliments (“I’m not usually attracted to women with broad shoulders”) to weaken a woman’s self-confidence and therefore render her more vulnerable to seduction.

Here she sets up a straw man where my game is equated with the PUA collective. The fact that I don’t teach a strategy of negging shows how she is attempting to pigeonhole my work into her existing prejudice about game.

Jante Law is technically fictional, but like many stereotypes, it contains a degree of truth: Danish women don’t reward the alpha male “with more sex for his alphaness because alphaness breaks Jante Law.” In Denmark, the fail-proof pick-up artist cheat code does not compute, causing Roosh to get increasingly whiny—and disturbing—as Don’t Bang Denmark begins to flail in earnest.

Only someone who is unfamiliar with Danish culture would describe Jante Law as containing only “a degree” of truth. It is the principal material driving through the cultural vein of Denmark, and there is no other rule you can point to that better describes their mentality and motivations. I also take offense to her equating my game teachings to a “cheat code.” My program involves a substantial amount of labor, requiring you to improve your long-term value as a man.

Roosh comes to the conclusion that women who aren’t as dependent on men for financial support are not susceptible to the narcissistic salesmanship that constitutes phase one: “attraction.” That’s why Roosh fails to advance to the second level—”trust”—without being creepy. Thus “seduction” is almost always out of the question.

These are not my phases. She is attributing someone else’s material to my work, either spitefully to confuse the reader or through sloppy research as shown by her earlier mistakes (my guess is a bit of both).

By his last night in Copenhagen, Roosh’s game is not on point. His face is shining “a molten red” at the injustice of it all. He can’t stop himself from calling his buddy’s friend a “stupid, ugly, fat, cock-blocking bitch.” He ends the night by lying his way into bed with an apprehensive eighteen-year-old virgin.

Socialism did a great job in cockblocking my penis into a teenage virgin. The cockblock that got away! The truth is virgins are the hardest of all female breeds to get a one-night stand with, and yet I did it in Katie’s socialist paradise.

I was the first to admit that my default Western game was met with mediocre results in Denmark. So I adapted, and developed a game that worked in getting me several one-night stands, lays that were just as easy as in America. I was cockblocked by the culture only temporarily, until I went back into my game toolbox and pulled out the right tools for the job. I clearly spell out successful tactics you can use, but Katie makes no mention of them. Here are a couple excerpts from my book:

Danish girls don’t like masculinity, cockiness, or outspoken guys. Because of Jante Law, any attempt on your part to even indirectly show that you’re more experienced, knowledgeable, or smarter than her will terminate the interaction. Even if you’re definitely more experienced than her (she’s likely to only be a student, after all), you must pretend that you’re both equal. I don’t care if you’re ten years older than her and have lived in a dozen locations around the world after succeeding at a milliondollar business built from scratch, but you must treat the stupid opinions of a 23-year-old Danish girl with reverence and respect if you want to get laid.

[...]

The optimum night game to have is this: nice guy who approaches a lot and isn’t shy about going for the one-night stand. I understand that this is a bit contradictory, since nice guys don’t go for one-night stands, but that’s the best way I can put it. Be aggressive about approaching and sealing the deal, but be passive and slightly meek while in conversation. It’s better to be a generic, neutral, pleasant guy who wishes for world peace than one who has strong opinions and wants to share deep wisdom gleaned from a lifetime of rich experiences. Don’t rock the boat if you want to get laid in Denmark.

So what do you talk about? What do you share opinions on? Anything but Denmark. If you want to talk about Denmark, frame it so that you’re asking her for help, not that you’re sharing observations. From a getting-laid standpoint, being selfdeprecating about your own country to fit her stereotypes is
much better than criticizing hers.

[...]

Be a little bit careful about giving too many humorous responses to the personal questions she asks, because Danish girls are very sensitive to cocky humor. By not answering directly, she may think you’re making fun of her, thereby breaking Jante Law. My advice is to give one playful answer and then calibrate to see if she went along with your joke or not.

I even address logistical issues you’ll face to handle a Danish girl’s bicycle (most people in Denmark ride their bikes to nightlife venues).

The best logistical solution to the bicycle problem is to live within walking distance of where her bike is parked. When it’s time to go for the afterparty move by inviting her over for a drink, you’ll state how you live only “five minutes walking distance” away. The hamster in her brain likes this because she knows that regardless of what happens in your place, she won’t be far from her bike.

Does this sound like the writing of a man who “flailed in earnest”? I faced difficulty, tried different techniques, and then settled on a game strategy which got me one-night stands with girls as young as 18. I was 31 at the time. If that’s failing, what’s winning? I’m not a Denmark all-star by any means, and I’m sure there exists thousands of Danish men who can pick up their women better than I can, but I know of no other non-Danish man who moved forward game techniques in Denmark more than I have.

His guidebook concludes with a resigned “bottom line” acknowledgment that his time in Denmark “liberalized me when it came to a government taking care of its citizens….Denmark sucks balls for women, but it kills the United States when it comes to having a higher standard of living.” Still, he won’t be going back anytime soon.

I have to admit that my time in Denmark did create temporary sympathies for socialism. The reason is because, unlike Danish citizens, I’m not taxed at 50% or more. This doesn’t include mention of a monstrous 25% VAT on most sales purchases. It’s easy when you’re on the outside looking in to admire the fact that homeless people have health care, but do you want to give up half your income for that and other things which you can easily purchase on the free market? I much rather get no social services from the state and use the market to provide my needs at a competitive price. If I can’t afford those services then I must work harder or get some additional training or schooling to improve my station.

An unfortunate consequence of Denmark’s extensive services that I clearly mentioned in the book is how it cultivates a passive populace of liberal automatons who avoid risk, and therefore, innovation. There is a reason why Denmark has been so quiet on the world stage in the past 100 years, having to piggyback on its more accomplished neighbors like Germany and Norway. The only thing I credit Denmark on is that their income confiscations eventually makes its way to the people, while in America socialism benefits corporations first. 

Katie has long been familiar with my work during her time at Jezebel, so I imagine that the Dissent piece was her opportunity to strap on a big black dildo and then insert it into my anus without consent. Judging by the accolades she’s getting for her piece, she successfully got away with the crime because of her privileged status as a white female liberal writer in America. The victim is not me but truth itself—truth about Denmark, the disincentives that socialism creates, and the indisputable effectiveness of game.

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  • prepman

    Well, that’s par for the course.

    Journalists and news types are trained story-tellers. Couple that with a strong bias and agenda and you’ll get some incredible works of fiction. You see the results in our so-called news and mainstream media, which is nothing more than infotainment masquerading as news and honest, critical analysis.

  • Tom Dane

    This retort owns her. Her piece is barely readable whereas your “Dont bang Denmark book” is a piece of science: Well documented, well written, accurate. Hers is nothing but an angry, feminist rant, not far removed from former Soviet Union propaganda.

  • The Legend

    her socialist agenda? lol go ahead Roosh Limbaugh

  • Jack

    The “attraction”, “trust” and “seduction” phases remind me of Mystery Method. She probably read that and either assumed all Game was based on the same basic theory or (and this would be hilarious) she couldn’t help but agree with it and now views all successful seductions as having to progress through those three stages.

  • dasher

    She’s already gotten everything she wanted out of her article (pageviews, mostly).

    You’re just giving her another chance to get more pageviews when she misrepresents this piece as well.

  • Mike

    I don’t understand why she would even feel the need to write an article about your book, which is pretty old from what I understand at this point. Still, this is the feminist way…go sniping for things that validate your pre-judged views, then misconstrue them and frame them in a way that other feminists will understand and be angry about. Emotions, not logic. I’ve NEVER had a feminist debate me without resorting to insults and shit-talking, and I’m not one to be too stubborn to admit when I’m wrong. That’s why there is no point in engaging them. You can literally show them government statistics that prove that 60% of wealth in the U.S. is owned by women, that there is no wage gap, that single women in major American cities out earn single men, that domestic violence is 50/50, that the amount of false rape convictions range anywhere from 2% to 90% depending on the study, that custody battles are majority female won, that prison sentencing disparities between genders for the same crime are very real, and all sorts of other things….and they won’t give a shit. They enjoy being the victim because it gives them special privileges. Who doesn’t want privileges?

  • Truthbucket

    What?

  • Truthbucket

    Daryush.

  • Truthbucket

    Roosh gets pageviews too and doesn’t have to return to the US and get a corporate job (submitting to having to answer some uncomfortable questions along the way). Capitalism all around!

    I liked the old Roosh. Or was it the young Roosh? The one who used to post adventures in banging rather than whimpering and whining.

  • http://thecaptainpower.blogspot.com/ thecaptainpower

    Nothing has changed since world war 2….the hardest working countries are the US, Germany, Japan and the Soviet Union…..and the Dutch are pussys…

  • JS

    Denmark is the 11th most indebted nation per capita. The other socialist nightmares are all the other top indebted nations as well. Nice to spend on socialism when you don’t have the money.

  • awakened

    God save our country from the socialist hell it is becoming. American leftwing mental deficients think we will become Denmark but in reality we will become South Africa.

  • Days of Broken Arrows

    I can’t believe you actually made it through her Dissent piece. It had all the passion of Napoleon Dynamite forced to read a boring book report in lame class. Gosh!

  • JS

    She should just admit that she hates men and doesn’t want them to have sex ever and skip all this intellectual rationalization nonsense. That’s the only explanation for her air of triumphalism in the piece.

  • Roosh_V

    I only read it carefully after liberal sites were praising it.

  • Aurini

    “I don’t understand why she would even feel the need to write an article
    about your book, which is pretty old from what I understand at this
    point.”

    I think it’s psychological.

    When the book was fresh, she was intimidated by all the people discussing it; now that it’s seemingly gone onto the back burner, she’s more confident about attacking it.

    This is idiotic, of course – the ideas are hardly on the back burner, they’ve simply been digested – but to her, it’s the difference between attacking a dead historical figure who can’t defend himself, rather than attacking somebody who’s speaking and writing presently, who can defend themselves. Her emotional brain views the book as history, thus safe to deconstruct.

  • MrLemon

    I’ve worked with the “liberal media” professionally for about 15 years. I have been stunned, really, by the sheer scope of the dishonesty and corruption.

    Basically, nothing you read in the press is even remotely true. Of course Feminism is ground zero for this but environmentalism, politics, science…you name it. It’s all pure fiction.

  • mindstar

    The true effectiveness of your message Roosh is that she had to resort to lies and obfuscation to try to refute your book. Her piece reads like the flailing desperation of someone drowning

  • soup

    She sounds lazy morethan anything else.

  • Wadsworth

    Katie Baker is the most zealous feminist on Jezebel. Zealots usually don’t care about the truth, they care about their agenda. Conversing with her would test the limits of any normal man’s patience.

  • Inane Rambler

    If the later then that would be hilarious.

  • Mage

    Game works perfectly in socialism. Game struggles in former socialist countries that made a sharp turn for capitalism, but eventually a more mild version of game works there too. I say this as someone who lives in former soviet union.

  • JustSaying

    This is a win for Feminist. I am sure Katie –what ever her name is, is enjoying this article more than anyone. Why even try to make women look stupid? There’s no winning. They think their world is the only world.

  • Boom

    Keep fighting the good fight, Roosh. You’re a god damn hero.

  • LicksGirlsAsses

    The Dutch are from Holland…

  • Mike P

    Question??????????????????????
    In game does humility come before honor. Like you gotta get ugly chicks (4-6) before fine ones (9-10)come Along???

  • Days of Broken Arrows

    …the equivalent of dogs eating their own crap. Rest assured no one outside of other liberals read this shit. Even Woody Allen made fun of Dissent in “Annie Hall.”

  • Days of Broken Arrows

    Me too. Articles are re-worked and given different angles to fit “the narrative.” It’s gotten worse, not better, since Obama got into office.

  • Days of Broken Arrows

    Hitting back at someone who is full of it isn’t “whining,” it’s standing up for yourself. You sound like a controlling feminist yourself.

  • Maury

    Liberal and conservative is a Hegelian dialectic tool to divide the masses you should listen to Alex Jones or Jeff Rense to demystify the whole false
    Left right paradigm the bankster Illuminati elite pushes on the masses.
    Dr. Henry Makow and Brother Nathanael Kapner are Jews and so am I and we all say its the Zionist financial elite who created feminism, gay Riggs, the welfare state, fiat money central banking ponzi schemes, communism, and those pieces of garbage known as the democraps- Zionist banker brainwashed bitches and republiscums- fake conservative sell outs to all the dumb ass Murican good ol boy suckers who buy their hollow Aipac soaked jive.

  • Elroy Bones

    You don’t have to try.

    Who gives a flip what a split tail thinks.

  • GiveMeARaise

    LOL someone flunked Trolling 101, her handle even rhymes with “sockpuppet”

  • Joe Dick

    the fact that this silly bitch even reads your books, says it all

  • http://thecaptainpower.blogspot.com/ thecaptainpower

    A flute without holes is not a flute, a doughnut without any holes is a Danish….

  • Dom

    Roosh, check this out:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/life/dear_prudence/2013/10/dear_prudie_my_daughter_got_pregnant_at_her_friend_s_party_and_now_the_owners.html

    A girl gets knocked up at a house party, and the father might not be able to pay anything, so the girl’s parents wants the owners of the house party house to contribute.

    “They need to admit their share of this burden, as it was their booze and their house party that allowed this to happen. My family is going to have a lot of expenses due to this new baby, and I don’t know how much the boy’s family can help, so it seems that the party’s host should help out, again as it was on their watch that this happened.”

    Future of game: don’t host parties

  • Mark

    When I read that article it made no sense whatsoever. Anyone who reads the manosphere at all knows the standard arguments that the welfare state has made it tougher to win over women by offering to be their beta male economic provider because women have big daddy government to take care of them already and that concentrating on looks and “game” is an attempt by men to try something else. She shows she is oblivious to all this by actually trying to argue that the welfare state made game ineffective when the opposite is true. Books like “The Mystery Method” and “Bang” weren’t written and used in the pre-welfare state days because they weren’t needed and they were written now because they are needed and have become popular because the advice in them works so well on present day females. That article showed stupidity of such proportions it’s hard to believe. It shows the typical garbled irrational mess of the modern day female mind in print form.

  • Tom

    Hoy shit. Examine that quote: “It was their booze and their house party that allowed this to happen.”…

    NO IT WAS YOUR EASY TO BANG DAUGHTER WHO HAS 11+ FORMS OF BIRTH CONTROL AVAILABLE TO HER BUT SHE KNOWINGLY SPREAD HER LEGS AND ALLOWED HERSELF TO GET PREGNANT (WHEN SHE DIDN’T WANT TO BE?) ANYWAY.

    Jesus Christ. Women accept responsibility for NOTHING.

    “It was the booze and the house party” that got her pregnant.

    Fucking unreal.

  • worldmusic

    Whew! I am so relieved that she misconstrued and distorted everything concerning your BANG methods, so these chicks out there are STILL in the dark as to how Night Bang/Day Bang works (“negging”..ha, how cute!). You had me worried there for a minute!

  • Energy Law

    But seriously, Roosh, you gotta be kinda happy about this. I “discovered” you by reading a “hit piece” on you and Roissy in The Atlantic magazine back in ’09. After reading that piece, I promptly went to your website and within days was reading A Dead Bat in Paraguay and anticipating the publication of BANG! So this is publicity, you sly dog, and you know it! Quit feigning despair ;o)

  • Connor Bryant Steel

    Yep. Journalists have no discipline and no shame as long as they can twist something for their own agenda.
    Game takes discipline.
    To get the kind of mega discipline needed for success in ANYTHING, training, game, diet, finances, check out;
    http://www.learningthesteel.com
    Good stuff

  • DavidSNESGAMER

    The problem is this: Roosh demonstrates (particularly with the quote about women “hibernating” in the winter) that this woman is a calculated liar. She clearly knew her fraud would be exposed….but knows that there is no penalty for fraud when you’re writing liberal bullshit. As long as it’s pro-gay/feminism/tranny/diversity/etc., they can write raw slander, and they’ll be rewarded for it.

    So I just get angry reading this expose` of the fraud, because I know that it will never be penalized, and, sadly, more people will read that shit (which her Jew sugar daddies are pushing in many webzines) than this truth.

  • Roosh_V

    Don’t get me wrong: I’ll take the publicity, but I rather not have a person’s introduction to my work based on blatant distortions that create an image of me that is far from the truth. If 100 people read the Dissent article, I doubt more than 2 or 3 can overcome the bullshit to find out what my real message is.

  • Tom Dane

    There is no penalty for BS on the internet. You can simply write whatever and no one will bother checking. And even if they do it doesnt matter, what are they going to do ?

  • monster221

    What a house party is a grown up daycare now? its their job to babysit her “lest she get pregnant”?

    what a load of bollocks.

  • monster221

    theres no humility/honor or anything like that. just work what you can handle and scale up as you get better. and never even mess around below a 6 unless you are like 450lbs and got a mole on the tip of your nose.

  • machinadeus

    Honestly, Roosh, why do you still bother with these idiots? I would’ve gave up a long time ago. By the way I just started my own blog and I’d greatly appreciate it if you check it out. I have a couple interesting stories that will teach everyone a thing or two. http://machinadeus.wordpress.com/

  • ho

    Roosh you’re fucking ingenious.

    Not because of the article but because of the title. Google is a bitch.

  • anonymous

    Yes, the Jooooz control the world and are targeting the radio waves trying to take over your brain. Wake up sheeple!!!!

  • anonymous

    Ummm, Baker explicitly expressed her support for Denmark’s social programs system. So, yeah, it’s her socialist agenda.

  • anonymous

    Obvious feminist troll is obvious.

  • http://patientambition.com/ Nick

    One thing I’ve learned by studying history is that the “facts” are never established. Theres always a battle for one persons interpretation to win out over the other. Feminists, socialists, communists, fascists, environmentalists and all other forms of totalitarians, will lie until their eyes bleed to advance their agenda. As long as you speak truth, someone will want to condemn you for it. Keep up the fight Roosh.

  • Big Lovin

    Drunk driving accident?

    It was the highways and byways that allowed this to happen.

  • ho

    Does it make you happy to distort your opponents argument to question his perfectly legitimate suspicions?

    You brainless little faggot. Kikes are the most represented ethnic group in the upper levels of academia, media and finance, even though they are a tiny minority in America. They own hollywood and most of the media and Joe Biden has admitted it is for this reason that leftard casues that would’ve been laughed at only 2 decades ago (gay marriage) are being accepted today.

    But no, clearly almost complete ownership of a powerful tool like the media isn’t that important.

    Maggot.

  • TevinKay

    Baker just got parred

  • Steve Lawrence

    upvoted for naming the jew

  • D. Hell

    Like all leftists, feminists are basically weak and incompetent: they are unfit for life (there are no feminists in Alaska or everywhere else where male strength is needed). Therefore they are powerlusters. They seek to control those who are strong and competent: the men and women who know how to think and produce. It’s as simple as that. I recommend the title essay in Ayn Rand’s “For the New Intellectual”. She does a good job in analyzing the basic psychology of the leftist.

  • POOLSIDE FOREVER

    That’s just beta dad (but I repeat myself) lashing out instead of taking responsibility for his shitty life and worse parenting.

    It’s easier to sue for frivolous bullshit than it is to admit you’ve been living a lie, your wife is a dream-killing succubus, you’re drowning in debt and on top of that, your daughter is a slut who gets rawdogged by dudes at house parties.

    Kinda funny that we live in an age with so many options — yet people are less likely than ever to take responsibility.

    In saner times, the girl would be pressured into giving up the child and possibly be disowned for her dumbshit behaviour. Instead, she’ll keep the child, ruining her entire family and bringing the kid into a broken home, with all of the resulting rage, despair and social malaise.

    Not to be alarmist but… RIP western civilization

  • D. Hell

    Game sure ain’t ineffective in Sweden, as practiced by yours truly and a number of my friends.

  • kfg

    ” . . .in America socialism benefits corporations first.”

    There’s a specific term for that. Hint: socialists hate it with the passion of a thousand burning suns. This is a case where you should have used the word “collectivism.”

  • anonymous

    nice neckbeard. You’re just missing the tin foil hat to protect your brainwaves.

  • feminism is silly bullshit

    what this feminist bitch doesn’t understand, is that women just need to
    be attractive enough, then all they have to do is basically choose who’s
    going to have sex with them, marry them, etc. For men it’s very
    different: they have to have money, or looks, or game, or all three, to
    have sex with women. The ones who are lacking in one or all of these
    areas, will have to work their butt off. They’ll have to work at it. So
    how the hell can someone who approaches women at a club or wherever, be
    viewed as a ‘sex tourist’ ? That’s hamster-like stupid. Like any of
    these bitches aren’t ‘sex tourists’ when they spend 2 hours in the
    bathroom painting their faces and then going out to find some cock?
    Who’s not a sex tourist? If you like sex, you are a sex tourist. It
    doesn’t matter if you are a man or a woman, if you had sex with anyone,
    or married, etc, you are a goddamn sex tourist. And hey no one likes
    sex, right? Lol. Get it, feminist bitches, we are ALL sex tourists, including YOU.

  • Goblin

    What the faggified West needs is some men to grow some balls and unleash a White Terror campaign to kill off all liberals and socialists.

  • Adam Tufano

    I’m not THIS kind of misogynist, I’m THIS kind of misogynist. Get it right.

  • Dan

    How’s Denmark “socialist” ?!

  • Harkness

    Mike, can you send me those statistics? Would be interested to have them on hand for the next time someone brings that up.

  • ons4everAlpha

    The media long ago got rid of any pretense of telling the truth. It’s interesting that her hamster is so powerful that she will completely distort your book in the hopes of bringing a welfare state to America where she can bang tall good looking alphas with impunity, get pregnant by them, and send everyone else the bill.

    The one great thing about the American welfare state compared to Denmark is being dependent on America’s is a true exercise in misery.