Never take a girl who bites her lip seriously. Very quickly within meeting you, they will, either obviously or not, bite and massage their lower lip while staring right at you with eyes wide open. Lip biters are usually very pretty girls who get a kick out of their power over men; their goal is to arouse you to action where they can then frustrate you. The fun for them lies in the frustration, not the arousal.
Dealing with these types of girls are easy enough: simply remain unaffected and let them wonder why their usual game isn’t working. Then they try even harder. In the process they will devote more and more time and attention into you, and next thing they know, they are into you and can’t quite explain why. But even then, it takes forever to get these girls in bed because of the hoops they make you jump through. If you do get the lay — and odds are you won’t — it’s definitely not worth your time to stick with them afterwards. You will never “win” with them and never crack through their game-playing exterior to find the real girl inside (if there even is one). Whether they are playing unconsciously or not, let some other chump try to figure them out.
Either you will get played hard or will not get what you want, which I hope is a normal girl who cares about your needs. I did not meet my first lip-biter until I was 22 years old. She gave me incredible pleasure, but in the end she destroyed me.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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Lip-biting is completely unconscious and uncontrollable. When a woman does it she’s busily thinking . . . Do I dare? Should I even GO there? Omigod he’s cute, and I must be doomed!
It’s not purposeful game on our part, we swear. Neither is twirling our hair or looking over our shoulders or tilting our chins.
No, really. Come on, you’d do it all over again if you could.
I don’t know if lip-biting is indicative of a hard-core game player. That said, whenever you meet a hard-core game player, your best bet is to mess with her head as much as she tries to mess with yours.
I’ve always found women who play games are one of two types: (1) insecure or (2) out for power/control. It’s hard to tell the difference, but you’re more likely to be successful with the former than the latter. Insecure girls can grow out of their insecurity, whereas power-seeking girls usually don’t until they wake up at 30+ years old and realize the source of their power (beauty) is fading.
Wow – so THAT’s why I bite my lip…..I KNEW it had to be something. : ) (but hey, doesn’t anyone else rip the dead skin off their lips w/ their teeth in the winter??? – it must be like peeling the lable off the beer bottle huh?…)
Noooo, you all got it wrong…..the biting of a lip look for a female in the situation described above …..is a “i am a bitch” stamp.
Jay Gatsby, Roosh, all:
Wise man say: You become what you fight. Besides, who’s really into the games here, hmmmmmm?
wiser man say: he who has lost taste for fight knows nothing but surrender.
This is kind of a silly comment, I guess, but I have more experience with girls biting my lips than watching women biting theirs!
Early in my dating career I had a girlfriend who, from day one, used lip-biting as one of the major features of her kissing. There was not one kiss I endured from this girl which didn’t end up with my lips purple and tingling from her onslaught. She combined the most penetrating tongue-thrusting with some lip-biting maneuvers so fierce they bordered on unwelcome battery. Her kisses were TOTALLY one-sided, too — she did all the thrusting and all the biting!
And what was weird was that regularly, she complimented ME for being a “great kisser”!
Ever since then (more than 10 years ago), I’ve been very jaded when it comes to women kissing me. I divide all dates into two groups — women who are aggressive kissers (which I like, in honor of that one girl), and women who are passive kissers, which bores me.
I have actually converted a few relatively passive kissers into lip-biters. When I tell them about lip-biting, they either embrace it or eventually I lose interest. Several embraced it very enthusiastically…
I’ll tell you, ladies, if you want to really surprise a guy AND turn his ass into putty in your hands, this is the way to go…
In my experience, I’ve found that after you’ve broken them, lip biters give good head. Maybe it’s an oral fixation thing.
Regarding the kissing, personally I like the passionate making out sessions to be a little rough. I enjoy biting and being bitten. And with a little coaching, you can turn the passive shy kissers into ferocious ones. This furthers my theory that all women are deep down sluts, you just have to know how to bring it out of them.
Yeah, DM — did I ever mention my encounter with Mother Teresa in the Rayburn Building elevators in ’91? ;)
I bite my lip.
And I don’t like having power over anyone.
Maybe I’m weird?
I think another equivalent is attractive girls who go to clubs “just to dance”. They get their power from letting you grind on them, and then abruptly brushing you off, thereby shifting the balance in their favor. Ignore them.
Agreed. Lip biting as a joke is one thing. Lip biting in order to play hard ball is just silly…
Also avoid all members of the opposite sex who say that they really want to meet a nice guy/girl who “doesn’t play games”. It’s an instant and obvious give-away for one who does the same and yet blames others for their own unaccountability. That is, if you’re into that sort of thing…
One way I hate the way lots of women (especially, I noticed, in the DC area) get their power buzz is by going out to, say, a bookstore, with their boyfriends in tow. The girl will separate from her boyfriend and browse on her own for a long time, long enough to push herself into the view of single men browsing in the same aisles. If you’re a single guy browsing, she’ll make sure she catches your eye, and then acknowledge you with the subtlest kind of flirting. Just when you clearly show interest and follow her with your gaze — as soon as you’ve played your hand and verified that you’re interested, she’ll then “find” her boyfriend again, and start fondling him right in front of you, so you see.
It’s so obvious and I was convinced, living in the DC area, that many of these young women were PURPOSELY doing this — orchestrating every step deliberately and perfectly. When you think of this, this is the ultimate power trip and validation exercise for women. Go out with the boyfriend (boyfriend equals security and validation of attractiveness). Then separate from the boyfriend and flirt with another guy in public (but obliquely enough so there is plausible deniability). Get the single guy’s attention. Then hook back up with the boyfriend that the new guy didn’t see, and then, to rub the salt in the wound (and feel powerful), snuggle up to the boyfriend, kiss, hug, and lustily grope him right in front of the (loser) single guy.
And get the biggest rush of your week.
Girls SPECIFICALLY do this for a power fix.
And girls in DC, I found, do it much more than girls anywhere else.
Just another example of the sickness and sadism of your ‘typical’ white DC woman…
Yeah, the women are all out to get you. And everything they do calculated, and ALL ABOUT YOU. Because women just love getting you all hot and bothered when WE DON’T WANT YOU.
Here you are again, hating on women for the sin of existing in the public sphere. Since we’re not available (or interested) you can’t fuck us, so you don’t even think we should be allowed to “flaunt” our faces and bodies in public. Or lick or lips accidentally or on purposes.
Whatever. Sad and pathetic, really.
This is not the only post/thread that follows this general theme. Hey, I have an idea! Why don’t you all move to Saudi Arabia? Looks like they’ve got that problem of TEH EEEEEVIL WOMENS under control. Because men’s inability to avoid public wood is obviously women’s fault.
Namaste, I agree with you. Avoid members of the opposite sex who say “I hate games” and then PLAY THEM. This site is devoted to “game.” Get a grip, guys. Or, you could just look up the terms PSYCHOLOGICAL PROJECTION, COMMODIFICATION FETISH, NARCISSISM and try to heal yourselves of this sickness. I suggest Wikipedia for a starting point.
What I’ve noticed as a NON game playing girl is that guys that claim they love it (that I don’t play games)…get bored of it…its all about the chase and they WANT you to play games…which in turn is boring for me.
Oh Joe. T? Typical DC guy behavior: Strolling around bookstores looking like a serial killer and then getting mad when girls won’t run up to you and suck your dick.
Typical. I wasn’t bitter before but jesus you guys on this site are turning me FAST.
“Yeah, the women are all out to get you. And everything they do calculated, and ALL ABOUT YOU. Because women just love getting you all hot and bothered when WE DON’T WANT YOU.” — Hedonistic
No one has said that women are out to get us, nor that everything they do is calculated (although that is somewhat arguable, since much of women’s behavior is so ingrained that it is unconscious). Rather, the focus of discussion has been in large part on those women who use their sexuality as a means of acquiring power or exercising it over others.
When a woman with a boyfriend or husband flirts with a another guy, she is seeking the stranger’s attention, whether or not she is sexually attracted to him. When she receives such attention, it confirms in her own mind that she is desirable and attractive. Desirability and attractiveness are forms of power.
Now, you may argue that many men misinterpret a woman’s actions as flirting (and thereby signaling interest) when they’re really not. And I would agree with you. But why blame men? When a woman acts like a coquette (which is a form of game-playing), it is her behavior that causes the problem in the first place. If a woman isn’t interested in a man, then she shouldn’t do anything that could be misinterpreted as flirting. Yes, I am suggested a one-sided obligation on women. Why? Because as KassyK pointed out, it’s all about the chase. If you don’t want to be chased, then don’t play the game.
KassyK – do you think if I left my axe and drill set at home the next time I go out strolling in a bookstore, I may give off a few less signals that I might be a serial killer? :)
Jay, it’s high time men took personal responsibilty for their own Gaze. I can’t tell you how many times men have told me what I was “doing” to them by whatever personal habit I was engaging in: Twirling my hair, fishing in my pockets for loose change, adjusting a brastrap, what the fuck? I’m not doing shit beyond existing and going about my day.
Bottom line: If a woman is into you she’s obvious about it, almost pathetically so.
I want to project “pretty” to the world because the world rewards pretty women and punishes ugly ones. Pretty is a survival instinct. God willing pretty will also attract that one guy who melts my panties. Meanwhile, unfortunately, that same pretty attracts hordes of men I couldn’t care less about. So sue me if you’re one of them.
My advice: Be a MAN and quit projecting your own motives onto other people. Sheesh. You sound just like that Iranian mullah from a few weeks ago, the one who was blathering about women as “uncovered meat.” “Existing while female” is not a punishable offense just because she’s not willing to have sex with you.
Jay – - that crank wasn’t directed so much at you as to the general vibe I’m getting from this thread. I caught that you acknowledge
1) women’s femmy dithering can be ingrained and unconscious; and
2) men can misinterpret the signals
But laying the responsibility at women’s feet is just wrong.
JoeT.–Could be a start. Lol. See someone who responds without calling me names…I can appreciate it. :-)
JayG–I think the thing is that men ARE constantly saying on this board that ALL white women in the DC area are like this and that’s why we freak out (those of us that are not).Literally using “all” ALL the time.
If the “all” was taken away and it was accepted the some women are NORMAL and pretty AND fun…we would be less hasty to freak out.
But its true that guys just want the chase and then bitch about it. Its kind of funny and leaves us women out in the cold. Fucked up and confused. :-(
KassyK raised a good point in that the women who read this and other blogs get annoyed that the word “all” is used far too much in describing a particular female behavior trait. That being said, there is a far cry between activities that constitute flirting and those that simply constitute a personal habit. It’s the former that men get annoyed about, rather than the latter. Lip biting, the title of Roosh’s post, is probably more in the latter category, unless it’s being done in a one-on-one conversation with a guy. Under those circumstances, it’s more likely indicative of nervousness or insecurity (i.e. biting one’s lip to avoid saying something embarrassing).
In regards to projecting “pretty” as a survival TACTIC (not an instinct), the attention of men comes with the territory. Being “pretty” is just another form of attracting positive attention.
anyone who believes the overwhelming majority of sexy young women don’t play games using the sole source of their power as the instrument of their wish fulfillment is either blazingly ignorant of reality or is too old to remember what it was like. whether the gaming is deliberate or subconscious, it doesn’t matter — her genes follow the Prime Directive to attract the most powerful mate and flirting is her way to gauge just how many rungs up the male ladder she can climb with her feminine guile.
the answer is not to whine and bitch about the sexual arena or to scold men into taking full responsibility for the biological fact that their eyes are the leading vector of their sexual arousal. (hint: if you are gonna dress like a slut, suck it up when undesirable men cast attentions your way. learn the art of the slicing cutdown.) the answer is quite simple — call her bluff. she’s flirting with you in a bookstore? ask her if her BF reading the ‘art of throw pillow coordination’ over there gets turned on when she tries to pick up other men. then tell her her flirting needs a little polishing and they may have a book for that. with a knowing smirk and cocky jaunt you just might pull her number right in front of the hapless boyfriend who by all rights doesn’t deserve to fuck a girl so willfully pissing in his face.
acrid vat of spittle clucked:
“that same pretty attracts hordes of men I couldn’t care less about.”
sooner than you think you’ll need never worry about this.
keep blathering about how pretty you are as the years pile up. i wonder how deep your resentment of men’s desires will burrow once you have reached the extinction level event of sexual worthlessness and no man takes your pathetic flirting seriously anymore.
tick tock, and all that…
Ah Roissy, you are such a catch . . .
catch the witness
catch the wit
catch the spirit
catch the spit
I would pay money to see Roissy & Hedonistic get it on. :-) You guys in?
“I’m not doing shit beyond existing and going about my day.”
You are beyond naive if you really believe that.
Hah Kassy, I don’t suppose you caught us talking about you last week or so . . .
It’s funny you post this now, I have a lip biting game player in my rotation now. I know she is a dirty ho, but is pretending to be a good girl, her tattoo of a horse shoe on her lower back that says aren’t you lucky is a dead giveaway, that she has been ridden more then a pony at any given state fair.
She also pulled the don’t you want to kiss me after I played aloof, and had her pay for all the stuff every time we went out.
Last time we went out she told me all the things she has done with me, that she has never done with any guy before… such as pay for his drinks, dinner, movie ticket, give him massages cause he says he is high maintenance, and not be the center of attention because I flirt with other girls and pretend I don’t know that she liked me until she asked about the kiss.
She realizes that the force is strong with this one, and there is nothing she can do except for masturbate and have wet dreams about me.
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