In Bang I wrote that you want to put a girl in a state of insecurity where she’s thinking of her faults instead of your own. You want her to be self-conscious that she’s lacking in a quality that either you want or that other girls have. Here are four ways to implement that strategy:
1. Make her think you’re bored with her conversation or story. Look around the room when she’s rambling about some nonsense. Let out an uninspired “That’s nice” when she was expecting a stronger reaction. Tight game here is pretending you don’t hear a lot of what she says.
2. Make her think she’s not good-looking enough. When you’re with her in a night venue, point out a girl hotter than her and ask, “What do you think of that girl?” She will give her answer and then ask you if you think she’s hot. Poorly evade the question by hesitating for a few seconds and then saying something like, “Her high-heels are nice.” Tight game here is having a roaming eye on exceptionally beautiful women.
3. Make her think you’re going to flake or stand her up. Take a long time to confirm dates, almost as if it was an afterthought. Then show up 15 minutes late, enough so that she texts you asking where you are. You’re doing it right if she’s visibly annoyed by the time you arrive. Tight game here is being forgetful, busy, or putting her last in a list of things you need to do.
4. Make her think you only want to use her for sex. Repeatedly take her to the same bar venues. Insist on “movie” nights. Gently shoot down her suggestions to do something different like a day hike or a wine festival outing. Tight game here is not wanting to be seen too much with her in public.
I didn’t invent the rules of human nature. I didn’t declare that instilling insecurity in another person is the optimal way to keep their interest in you at a high level, but that’s the reality. If you like a girl, you have to do things that show you don’t like her while at the same time escalating the encounter by touching, kissing, and venue changing to your bedroom. While some of these suggestions can be relaxed on more sensual foreign women, with American girls you have to be cold and heartless in other to get the most amount of sex.
Anxiety creates attraction. The more anxiety you create in a woman, the more she will lower her guard enough so that your game will be well-received. It forces her to question her value instead of yours. In any casual relationship, one person is creating anxiety while the other person is receiving it. If you’re not the one creating it, then it’s not her that’s getting gamed.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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The human nature side of woman is just dreadful and awful. It’s awful that you have to create misery to live in a state of security and love. I don’t get it. You’d think that after a certain time period has elapsed you would just value the person for what they bring to the table, which is companionship and sex, but nope, that’s not the way women work. They are in a constant mode of “can I do better?” “Does he make enough moeny?” “What do my friends think? Is he even hot?”
Women suck dude – no question about it. All they are good for is fucking and an occasional night out.
I know you are at least partially serious, but I find this kind of posts are hilarious. Like the ‘dick move’ post.
“Show up with a friend of yours on a date. Make little effort to include her in the conversation”.
I don’t know if I’m the only one who finds that thought quite amusing.
I used to think that gaming a girl prior to sex and a relationship was enough and that once you’ve slept with them and got them hooked, you can turn it all off and start being yourself around her and letting yourself fall more and more in love with her… How wrong i was.
Women are designed to naturally scorn and punish a man the minute he gets too loving and caring. It’s both laughable and frustrating. It’s the reason why i’m choosing to stay single and just have fun because i’ve yet to receive a positive experience of a loving relationship in the long term.
Just to add some additional notes. Women will always be unfaithful and bitchy in a relationship, until the point they want to settle and have a child.
They will turn off their game playing temporarily in order to latch onto any man they can find in order to have the baby they want in the midst of their 30 something age period.
Once that’s out of their system, God help the men married to them. The western woman is nothing but a spoiled and selfish brat who cares about nothing more than to fulfill her own needs.
“The human nature side of woman is just dreadful and awful… You’d think that after a certain time period has elapsed you would just value the person… They are in a constant mode of “can I do better?” “Does he make enough moeny?” “What do my friends think? Is he even hot?””
It’s no different for men.
Back in the day, women had no economic power. The average man with a semi-decent job could literally let his wife & 5 kids starve in the gutter for a younger, hotter version without consequences. Hence, the implementation of divorce laws that were originally designed to prevent men from financially destroying women.
Today, though, the tables are turned and women are the ones with options. But don’t think for a minute that a man with options won’t be just as fickle as a woman.
The whole point of Roosh’s article is that you need to indirectly convey that you are a man with options (i.e., not the typical powerless modern man) because power creates both anxiety & attraction in human beings.
I agree with using destabilizing behavior to keep a girl on her toes and wanting you and doubting herself.
Messing with a girl’s head is GOOD, and works well, but too much of that can work against you. I think its better to balance it out, but then again, I’m more likely to keep a girl around a little longer than some guys here.
I think game is fun, and closing young new ass is a high like no other, but I also like getting inside a girl’s head a lot deeper than just getting her to allow sex.
The more expert a man can become at deep mind-fucks, the more he can enjoy and appreciate (and manage) these crazy chicks, instead of just hating on them and bitching about them.
Learn to express your love and care for these darling girls by loving them they way they want it- challenging, difficult, harsh. Then confuse the fuck out of them with something nice. (they like confusion too) Then back to harsh. Be tough on them.
It’s not manipulation, and its not a pain in the ass, its FUN to do this to chicks. Everybody wins.
A woman who is highly attracted to a guy will not leave him or cheat on him… especially if they attach most of their self-worth to that man’s approval, and they are never sure if they totally have it, and know they can lose it.
“Women will always be unfaithful and bitchy in a relationship, until the point they want to settle and have a child.
They will turn off their game playing temporarily in order to latch onto any man they can find in order to have the baby they want in the midst of their 30 something age period.”
This is also no different for men. The majority of men are happy to settle & not cheat because they can’t do any better.
I guarantee that if you take the average boyfriend/husband & have girls hit on him, as much as guys hit on a semi-hot girl, he WILL cheat.
But I do agree western women are spoiled brats, but that’s a failure of western men.
a failure of western men? WTF – typical western woman comment.
“This is also no different for men. The majority of men are happy to settle & not cheat because they can’t do any better.
I guarantee that if you take the average boyfriend/husband & have girls hit on him, as much as guys hit on a semi-hot girl, he WILL cheat.”
Welcome to a man’s world of trying to keep women with options in check and stable in a relationship.
I’ve no sympathy left for the female species.
Girls can now hate on the guys for having the skills to get them in the sack. But the reality of it is. We are taking back the power that was once robbed from us.
We no longer want to settle for a bitch and be treated like a doormat or a credit card. It’s high time women start fixing up and changing their ways.
Either change or continue getting used as a blow up doll. Either way, it’s win/win for us, and there’s nothing you can do about it with your feminist way of thinking.
That is all.
I can tell you what, I’ve never been more bitter. Men are definitely not rewarded for being good guys. Every girl i fucked over or banged and didn’t give two thoughts about, would take my call in a second. Any girl i was nice to, talked about relationships etc, it’s like I’m dead to them. It’s comical.
You should read Roissy’s post called “Endless Dating.” It’s prophetic – mainly because it’s true.
This stuff is great for very attractive chicks, but I think going too hard with the “something is wrong” thing might scare off girls that don’t see themselves as having very high value.
^^ Agreed but most chicks these days walk around like their shit don’t stink irrespective of what they are and that’s why it is effective
Maybe the average woman will be bitchy because the average man she meets at the bare is trying to manipulate hear into sex and that she has started to think of talking about longer relationship as just another tricks?
A good tip could maybe be to treat a woman like another human being and talk about her interests and likings to and not just your own?
@15 “Talk about her interests and likings and not just your own.” Been there done that. It’s a pretty good way to have a very poor sex life.
It’s great to see western guys are finally waking up… BUT there are still toooooo many suckers, bootlickers, mama’s boys and obsolete knights in shining armor, which I think are the most pitiful, they are like the voluntary unpaid servants of a corrupt oppressive state :)). For a true revolution in social norms, a greater part of qualified privileged men must be even more brutal to the rest of society; things like never ever getting married, offshore, tax evading accounts and deliberately starving the portions of society that primarily exist to protect females including divorce lawyers, police officers, wedding industry, tax authorities, private security, etc. The modern man must be a criminal to replicate the savage conditions of nature at large in the modern society to unleash the feminine instinct back into action in the completely empty brainwashed consumerist thrall woman…
“a failure of western men? WTF – typical western woman comment.”
Get the sand out your vagina & open your eyes. Men lead, women follow. Do you think Muslim women independently decided to wear veils or do you think a bunch of men dictated it to women?
Western men, mostly white men, are responsible for manufacturing entitled western women, whether it be raising spoiled princesses, dating/rewarding women with free meals, rewarding spoiled women with marriage, enacting anti-male divorce laws, making movies depicting stupid men, etc. At some point, western men decided that a person with a pussy should be entitled.
“Maybe the average woman will be bitchy because the average man she meets at the bare is trying to manipulate hear into sex and that she has started to think of talking about longer relationship as just another tricks?
A good tip could maybe be to treat a woman like another human being and talk about her interests and likings to and not just your own?”
1. The average woman at a bar is bitchy to the average man simply because she is looking for better than average.
2. Who talks about relationships at a bar?
3. The average woman at a bar is either looking to cock tease to boost her self-esteem or she is looking to get laid.
4. Yes, I agree you should talk to women like a human being… a human being who likes sex. One of a woman’s interests as a human being should be sex. If she has that in common, great. If not, on to the next woman.
Tight game is about being flexible and resourceful enough to apply the right strategy that fits a specific girl in a particular circumstance. I don’t believe in “rules” since every seduction is different. However, these four techniques are good points to keep in mind if the need to use them arises.
Clearly a female with nothing constructive to contribute.
In GameSpeak, the real issue is that the vast majority of Western men (beta, as in every society), has let the few loudmouth alphas amongst them create a world maximally suitable for alpha exploitation.
This is why illegitimacy has been deemed A-Ok, why the state (ran by elected, meaning attention seeking, alphas) is constantly growing to socialize the costs of said illegitimacy, why violence meted out by anyone other than the above alpha controlled state is deemed the worst of all evils, etc., etc.
In reality, most beta men are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves and whatever limited number of spawn they sire. After all, creating sufficient surplus to do so, without the alpha option of free riding on others, have literally been their successful mating strategy for millennia.
Were this beta majority not a bunch of braindead wimps, they would realize their world would be better without economic and social outcomes determined by slick talking lawyers (courts) and politicians (the government), or anyone else whose sole skill is manipulating a thug band of cops to do their bidding. Rather, they would rather want their world to be one where noone is any better than what he can produce; either alone, or in cooperation with others he deems trustworthy (that’s where the nice guy instinct come in.)
If you have your act together 1-4 will happen naturally because most girls won’t satisfy you enough.
This stuff is great for very attractive chicks, but I think going too hard with the “something is wrong” thing might scare off girls that don’t see themselves as having very high value.
Agree, but I also agree with what Andy said. If this manages to scare off an American girl, chances are the guy is slumming it really bad.
“I didn’t invent the rules of human nature. I didn’t declare that instilling insecurity in another person is the optimal way to keep their interest in you at a high level, but that’s the reality. If you like a girl, you have to do things that show you don’t like her while at the same time escalating the encounter by touching, kissing, and venue changing to your bedroom. While some of these suggestions can be relaxed on more sensual foreign women, with American girls you have to be cold and heartless in other to get the most amount of sex”
In other words, why fucking bother?
Non westernized world here I come!
Roosh…Been with you since the DCBach.com days…You helped me understand the true dark nature of male-female relationships. However, the game you speak about feels like a barbaric chess game lacking any real gratification. I understand it’s just an outcome of the reality of things but is there way to change the nature of these relationships from its core so that we don’t resort to animal kingdom warfare?
After all, Alpha males still have to decipher real diamond women from the bitches which is equally if not more challenging than learning game as a beta. Anyway, I’m just calling it the way it is and starting to believe that there’s gotta be a better way for all of us. What are your thoughts?
(Roosh: Foreign women who have never been to American before.)
That’s a great comment Anon #25
There is no better way. the mating game has always been warfare.
If the women change, then men must adapt or go mateless.
Certainly game has shown men all the vices of woman. What would you call the thing that shows you all the vices of men?
After all, men are not all sunshine and rainbows either. If Roosh was discovered to be a pedophile, every man on this board, all of his male friends and family would abandon him.
Most men will snitch on their friends. They will screw over other men to get laid. And so on.
So where does that leave us? Everyone is dirt and let the world burn? Some readers are already there. Are you a destroyer of worlds, or a builder of them? Anyone can get laid today, this is well known. There is nothing exceptional about the thing.
liberate yourself from your ridiculous middle class morality, your concerns are the product of a very rudimentary and effeminized mind…
“You like young girls ? so be it.
You cheated on your wife ? Live with it…”
Stand up to your own uniqueness for a change, it is your birthright !!
Step 0. Make sure she’s worth all this hassle in the first place.
I think a lot of guys forget that one.
All I have to say is that I feel terribly sorry for you guys! Not surprised women don’t stay with you . . .
Liberalism has to today’s crisis. It truly is carte blanche. No limits, no rules, do as you wish. But why are so many peope upset with this? Even Roissy, the great alpha. He knows that this is unsustainable, so does Roosh.
When men are freed, just like women’s freedom, a similar result can occur. Men are just as bad when they lose all self control, maybe even worse.
@31 .. Who exactly do you feel terribly sorry for??? sweetie…
Assholes and bastards aren’t born – They’re made.
exactly, men might be worse, that’s irrelevant.
They deserve the freedom, they have earned it; that’s what matters. Men, as in human males developed the human civilization, reigning over all other known forms of life, so far…
The question of good or evil applied only to men, the true conqueror, until the last fifty years or so. That’s why you will find the modern woman utterly incapable of inducing anything good with any form of authority she is given.
For the staggeringly overwhelming majority of women, morality is just an act of conforming to whatever the mainstream fashionable sense of the word implies in the current status quo, like a new color trend for shoes this season, as they have been told to do so throughout history…
This isn’t much different than what advertisers do.
See the product. See the pretty women around the product. Do you have pretty women? Follow the product.
“Step 0. Make sure she’s worth all this hassle in the first place.
I think a lot of guys forget that one.”
If you follow this dating advice, you would become a jerk. You would become Roosh. Moving from one girl to another and having unsatisfying mind numbing sex.
vs, treating a girl nice, paying for dinner, movies little gifts here and there. At the same time being a MAN and not taking her shit when she tests you. You have to be a MAN. A lot of American men are not, they are pussy. Be A MAN.
If you successfully do this you are going to be rewarded with high quality sex. The woman would give you her all. I get it all the time. You’ll 100% cum in me, cum in my mouth. Let’s try anal sex. Heart, body and soul sex with no condom. (of course both of you get tested before this)
My point is with women. You reap what you sow. If you do what Roosh is recomending you would have the kind of crappy sex Roosh has been writing about here for years.
* I meant You’ll get 100% cum in me, cum in my mouth. Let’s try anal sex. Heart, body and soul sex with no condom. (of course both of you get tested before this)…………..
You are a sociopath. Your sexual relationships have the exact quality, depth and longevity that one would expect of any garden-variety sociopath. The lucky thing for people like you is that you don’t know you’re broken (you think it’s the rest of the world that’s the problem.) Thus you’re able to live a reasonably satisfactory life without ever knowing what you’re missing, provided your sociopathy doesn’t take overtly criminal forms. But I do feel sorry for the normal men who follow your glib, charming and profoundly empty example.
It’s interesting to live in a world so lacking in awareness that the women emulate dried-up whores and the men emulate burnt-out sociopaths.
You don’t have to fill a woman with anxiety to be attractive. You just have to set a good lead, know how to capture her imagination, and know what you are doing with your touch and your energy.
You can keep someone guessing(about what you are going to show them next) without having to keep them guessing about themselves.
fucking gold, especially no. 4