Men Are Nothing More Than Clowns To The Modern Woman

I have a bank of rotating stock questions I ask women that let me know how I should proceed with my game. One of the questions I used to ask was “Do you need a man?” Out of the dozens of times I asked it, not a single girl answered yes. Even in Eastern Europe, a woman needs a man as much as a cat needs milk. They would prefer the best man or the best milk, but they can surely live without.

There is definitely not a single woman alive in the Western world who needs a man. While in the past a woman had to put forth effort to obtain a husband who would help her survive, today she is protected by a welfare state that ensures she will never go hungry or spend one night on the street. Even a child she has out of wedlock from a drunken night out will not have to suffer from her mistake, and that’s in spite of the fact that many nations already provide her with free contraception to compensate for her lack of judgement in selecting worthy mates.

Anything required for a woman’s survival or pleasure can be easily achieved without her having to put forth commitment, sacrifice, or labor. She can shave her head, gain 50 pounds, and disfigure herself with tattoos yet still have many suitors to—at the minimum—have sex on demand. Her food and shelter will be provided by a state which has embarked on an extraordinary effort to compete with men for her devotion and loyalty.

I started asking a different question to women: “Do you want a man?” I began receiving “I don’t know” answers (the more they hesitated to respond, the more I considered their true answer to be a yes). Only in a few instances did a woman outright say yes, and these usually happened in Ukraine. It’s no surprise that I eased into mini-relationships with these yes girls without the standard flaking or game-playing you would normally receive from girls who see men as milk instead of water. The girls who said yes weren’t exactly hurting for food or shelter, and they didn’t try to reach into my pockets for resources, but through their attitude and demeanor it was clear that they did want a man in their life who could provide it with a measure of happiness that could not be gained from their environment or government.

You’re a lucky man if you can find this type of girl in the West. From a young age, girls are brainwashed to believe that they don’t need men and that the key to their happiness is self-empowerment by sleeping around and becoming a corporate wage slave. It’s hard to dispute the notion that a woman who believes she doesn’t need a man won’t make as good of a relationship partner as one who does. She will treat you as a distraction to her more important job, girls’ nights out, and social networking validation happy time. Men have become an utterly replaceable and expendable commodity in a girl’s life. Her interest in a man is not unlike her interest in a new television show or Apple product, and your only hope is to have sex with her as many times as possible until her attractions diminishes and she moves on to the next guy in line.

Women don’t seek out comfort or stability in men anymore—they seek entertainment. They seek distraction. They seek hedonistic pleasure. This is why provider men (beta males) are so hopelessly failing today to secure the commitment of beautiful women in their prime, and this is why even lesser alpha males fail to enter relationships with women beyond a few bangs. Once the entertainment or novelty you provide her declines—and it inevitably will—she moves on to something or someone else. In essence, the only way you can keep a girl is if you adopt the mentality of a soap opera writer, adding a cliffhanger to the end of each episode that keeps a woman interested when being a good man no longer does.

When I look at myself in the mirror, I don’t see a man who has improved himself over the years to be the best that his genes allow—I see a glittery skirt that a girl encounters in the mall. Is the skirt too expensive or is it on sale? Is there only one left of her size or is the rack full of them? Does she already have something similar or is it totally novel? Does her friends think it’s cute or just alright? After trying it on, does it flatter her body or make her look fat? Either she makes the impulsive decision to buy the skirt or not, because odds are she won’t come back for it. There are so many stores with so many skirts that she will soon forget it, forever. We are like glittery pieces of fashion to women—items that she truly doesn’t need. Not only has she already collected so many of them, but she can easily obtain more within walking distance from where she lives. She can even browse online from home while in her pajamas through a nearly unlimited selection.

We are not men in the traditional sense—we are clowns. With our tight game we have to be entertainers who create drama and excitement in a girl’s life, just long enough so that she spreads her legs and makes sexy noises, and even though she did commit such an intimate act with us, she will soon lose interest or simply get bored, and then move on to the next shiny cock that catches her eye. The other side of this coin is that we no longer need women. We don’t need them to maintain our home or cook good meals for us. We don’t need them in an age where having children is no longer important or valued. Whatever natural connection that once existed between the sexes has now been severed. Neither sex needs each other so we dedicate ourselves to corporations, entertainment, and base pleasures instead, and this is a great tragedy that most people believe is a sign of progress, a cause for celebration.

For the next girl I meet, I’m not going to ask her if she needs a man, because I know she doesn’t. Instead I will simply ask her if she wants a man, and if the answer leans yes, I will perform like the good clown I am so that she is entertained enough to have sex with me. Either she or I will eventually get bored and the relationship will end. Then I will simply repeat my performance on a someone new, because I’m a skilled clown, and that’s exactly what women today want.

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    It may sound like an the fantasy of an omega nerd, but it bares repeating because unfortunately, it’s the truth: the only (and I mean ONLY) permanent way out of this impasse is via technological replacement of the female. The age of sexbots is the age of male salvation.

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    Hmm…that means if you can game one, then you can game the other! :)

  • TheGenXFactor

    Where we are going with this was described by George Orwell in 1984:

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    in the future there will be no wives and no friends. Children
    will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a
    hen. … ”

    It is almost as if this whole dynamic that Roosh describes serves some sort of evil purpose. Whether by accident or design something is being created. As I get older and see more I am beginning to realize that it is by design. I wonder why.

  • Marlon G.

    Hey Roosh, one of the best post of 2014!

  • Guest

    Hey Roosh, I’m back! As I said before, I enjoy reading the
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    It’s silly to even ask about needs, women and men are born to need each other. Unfortunately,
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    fighting combined!! Competition to grab the few men returning was undoubtedly
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    You said:

    “Women don’t seek out comfort or stability in men
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    That’s a statement true for modern men as well. It’s true for all humans
    that grow up with a sense of entitlement, security and luxury. When they no longer have to worry about their
    needs they adapt to worrying about their wants. Women are good at making a
    home, but men no longer seek to make one with her. Why would they when they can
    keep their bachelor pad and bed a new girl every night? Imagine if tragedy struck, who would you think of? I doubt a
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    the one you emotionally connected to and the one that filled you with purpose
    in life as a man. When tragedy strikes, there’s no shame in an Alpha having
    Beta feelings, because the right woman will be there to make you feel right
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    It’s thoughts like this that make me believe that it takes a war or something
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    actually important in life.

    ______________

    P.S. I apologize for how lengthy that was, please don’t block me!

  • Yelena_in_DC

    Hey Roosh, I’m back! As I said before, I enjoy reading the posts from you and ROK blog but I am giving my two cents this time…

    It’s silly to even ask about needs, women and men are born to need each other. Unfortunately, in life one must also adapt and attempt to survive without. Through history men would go off to war and most did not come back. Women had to survive and provide for themselves and the children left behind. Speaking for my fellow Soviets, check the history. World War II took a whopping 13 MILLION manly-military-men to their graves. That figure is almost as much as the sum of every other country fighting combined!! Competition to grab the few men returning was undoubtedly high, women either upped their game, settled to share a man, or settled to survive without one. This statistic not only backs up my issue with your blog claiming women can’t be both feminine and strong, but at the same time it also explains what circumstances need to take place to raise the future daughters with the types of traits you admire. (And the type of sons for the traits I admire.) For more current examples, have you read about the consequences China’s favoritism for male sons has done over the decades? There is like 30 million more men than women reaching adulthood, resulting in some scary stuff due to circumstance. (And you thought living in DC was bad??)

    My point is, asking a woman if she wants a man, the answer is undoubtedly yes. Hesitation only exists from lack of specification of what kind of man (preference is on a good smart masculine man). Since the gender gap is small then the selection pool is high. If I were to ask you or your readers if you want a woman, the answer is undoubtedly yes. BUT if given a choice between stereotypical Americans, you’d probably choose to survive with your hand. Well in your case, jump ship to Ukraine/Poland. This leads me to my final note…

    You said:

    “Women don’t seek out comfort or stability in men anymore—they seek entertainment. They seek distraction. They seek hedonistic pleasure.”

    That’s a statement true for modern men as well. It’s true for all humans that grow up with a sense of entitlement, security and luxury. When they no longer have to worry about their needs they adapt to worrying about their wants. Women are good at making a home, but men no longer seek to make one with her. Why would they when they can keep their bachelor pad and bed a new girl every night? Imagine if tragedy struck, who would you think of? I doubt a random girl. It would be the beautiful one that gave you the comforts of a home, the one you emotionally connected to and the one that filled you with purpose in life as a man. When tragedy strikes, there’s no shame in an Alpha having Beta feelings, because the right woman will be there to make you feel right again.

    It’s thoughts like this that make me believe that it takes a war or something truly bad to happen to jolt today’s modern society back to caring about what’s actually important in life.

    ______________

    P.S. I apologize for how lengthy that was, please don’t block me!

  • Marlon G.

    Dear sl:
    Read a little bit about statistics, and you will learn that we are surrounded by bell curves—curves more formally known as normal distributions, or Gaussian distributions. All manner of things appear to be distributed normally: people’s heights,IQ scores, examination grades, sizes of snowflakes, errors in measurements, lifetimes of lightbulbs,
    weights of loaves of bread, milk production of cows, chest sizes of Scottish soldiers, and so on. So women behavior is not the exception to this rule. the comon sense will tell you that generalizations are not fair but that’s the way it is.

  • Yelena_in_DC

    Stupid computer glitch, posted as guest first and now I can’t delete it!

  • ActionJackson

    No but your comment definitely makes you a faggot.

  • Rob

    This is the realest shit you ever wrote

  • test bot

    Lol, this is somewhat true. Women are hypergamous; that is, they strongly prefer to date up. Most guys are indistinguishable. No social status, brains or money, etc. They have nothing going for them. They are on the same level as the girl they are trying to bang. So they are toys until a real man comes along.

  • anonymous

    “Why would they when they can keep their bachelor pad and bed a new girl every night?”

    This kind of solipsism is one of the reasons why it’s difficult to take female commenters seriously.

    No more than 1% of guys (maybe less) is even capable of ‘bedding a new girl every night’, or anything even close to that ridiculous number. So your argument about men no longer desiring to make a home with a woman is based on an absurd premise.

  • jackreacher

    Roosh this is why I read your articles above and other game blog out there. It’s not just that you speak with complete sincerity about the times, about women, about life, no you are sincere even with your own dealings with women, your own feelings about what your doing are laid bare about what you’re doing. A clown, I have to admit that is a very powerful statement and I can certainly relate. It’s comforting to know I’m not the only one that feels that way.

  • GreedySelfAbsorbedLittleShmuck

    Brothers this is the reality we are faced with. Only woman of past generations or from strong families can avoid being entrapped by the matrix.

    The key IMO is to keep investment level extremely low…with patience, experience, maturity and understanding the rare and illusive unicorn (or at least close to it) may very well be within reach. Cultivate the right identity and there are decent woman that will be drawn your way.

    Warm Regards

  • please stop racetwits

    Who asked race nuts to butt in here?

  • enjoy your cats bitch

    well we have to consider the environment– trying to find a romantic girl in a purely brutal feminist regime like America is now is like trying to find pure blood donors in some country where they have 50% AIDS infection rate… it’s just the wrong place for be looking for that particular item…

  • can’t alwasy get

    yeah, women want a long term relationship because their sexual value dies and the most Roosh is willing to offer is a “mini-relationship”, so he’s not really willing to make any deal they want either….

  • The Eternal Jew

    Not only jews but also their fellow parasitic minions Indians are into this game.

    I believe just like in all species of animals, even among humans we have parasites, and jews are parasitic race, same with indians, their whole purpose of existence is to destroy their host nations and feed on them

    Otto weininger wrote his seminal work “Sex and character” where he describes a Jew to be a feminine spirit, A Jew never had masculinity, he is feminine and this is why most jews are proponents of feminism and other degenerate feminine philosophies

    Jews have instinctive hatred towards Masculine races and Masculine Values like Honor, Brotherhood,Camaraderie….

    America and most western world has become Judaized..Today its feminine, There is no honor,Camaraderie or any values, all we have is jewish materialism, Jewish feminism and Judaised Holocaustianity ..Which you call today as christianity…

    All cultural and social institutions that have created and fostered the European civilization are dead,The jewish parasite has infiltrated into every aspect of European life, today they no longer hide behind the screen, Jews are quite open and boast often how they have Corrupted European culture and much they are proud of it, infact we have become more gutless and we cherish and celebrate our demise

  • Yelena_in_DC

    Hmmm You’re right, I did make an absurd statement. I am in no way trying to sound like I am close minded, so it is my fault for coming off that way. I do give you props for even reading that far down with all that I wrote by the way! Most of the internet, RooshV and ROK included, all make wild claims and it’s just a haphazard reaction to throw one right back in on occasion. And I guess I might as well point out that I wasn’t blaming men with that statement. I meant to say that anyone living in today’s globalized/Westernized society is accustomed to so many options…one of which is guys no longer having to be in exclusive physical relationships because plenty of girls give it up without having that conversation (both parties at fault) that most guys and girls feel it’s easier and more fun going around the carousel than settling with one. It’s hard to cover every view point in one comment, or even one post. So don’t let this one comment give you the impression that I think one way or another or that I think I know it all or that I should be disqualified as someone to be taken seriously. I probably would have just written off Roosh as a misogynist if I stopped reading after only one of his posts. Instead I got intrigued by his perspective that sometimes aligns with mine. So I come back and read this blog the same as you, because I learn something.I come here to evolve. I’d like to think that’s what taking the red pill is.

  • John

    Women seeking traditional relationships exist. But only if they pass this one, important, essay question.

    - Is family important to you?

    If the answer is yes, congrats — you have found a traditional woman. If she says “I don’t really talk to my family” or “We’re kind of distant” or “It’s been a while since I talked to them” — then you know her value system is fucked up. This is the only reason women in Eastern Europe, Latin America, Africa, and parts of Asia are more warm, effeminate, and traditional — respect for the family structure. This is what our generation is actively destroying. It is also why poverty is more rampant in third-world countries. The family structure is something free, that does not require money or stimulated entertainment to take your mind off of what is important to your core value system.

    Think of all the ways we replace family, and sincere relationships with…toys. Television, food, video games, pornography, drugs. All can be used minimally, but the use of them is abused more so in developed countries (US, Canada, Westen Europe, Oceania.) Why do you think there are more drug epidemics in (ironically) wealthier nations? Because it liberates people from needing family, and emphasises replacing family with consumerism to grow the economy, and line the pockets of those in positions of power.

    Subsequently, this is why you hear modern men, and women complaining all the time. “Where are all the women?” or “where are all the men?” They have bought into consumerism, and the religion thereof. As human beings, we need things like community, friendship, and yes — husbands, and wives — to make our identities more whole, and to feel valued. Do these conversations between ROK/Roosh vying against Feministic blogs ever feel, petty, small, and childish? Does the over-the-top dialogue, mean retweets, and name-calling strike you as conversations adults would have?

    They behave like common schoolchildren fighting about coodies, and “s-i-t-t-i-n-g in a tree” jingles. Our modern-day men, and women have been reduced to behaving like eight year-olds behind a keyboard.

  • Roopa

    “From the first little worm they dare us to eat, to the last big shovel full of snow they convince us we can move, we are nothing more to women than an amusement park ride with life insurance.” (Married With Children, Season 8, Episode 2: Hood in the Boyz, 12th September, 1993).

  • Eternal Jew

    World will continue to bleed and suffer as long as we dont find a solution to Jewish problem…

  • ray

    “Then I will simply repeat my performance on a someone new, because I’m a skilled clown, and that’s exactly what women today want.”
    Yeah! That’ll show ‘em!
    Giving women everything they want hasn’t worked out too well for guys, on any front, so why continue to be a clown? Why not aim a little higher than performing for women?
    You are right that modern females expect constant drama and excitement, and will sabotage relationships (and marriages/families/children) so they can get a new fix with the Next Guy. Very much consumerist depersonalization, as you note.

  • ray

    Actually, they don’t change after the wall, but instead continue to run the same drama scripts, usually with increasing desperation, utilizing increasingly low-rate men. These men will sex and/or marry them, keeping The Fantasy alive. Spin, hamster cage, spin.
    This, as you might guess, is pretty tough on kids, especially little boys trying to grow into men. Yes, females profit economically and materially from the matriarchy, and so do their parents . . . but others pay a v high cost. And of course it’s unsustainable.

  • allthebuts

    Dear Jesus, you are a sad sack of douche. Replace “men” in the title of this post with “I, myself, and people who treat women the way I treat them” and maybe you’ll get a tiny inkling of whats wrong with this picture. Until then, a sad douche-clown you will remain.

  • http://www.dawnofchange.com/ Onder Hassan

    Don’t give up on your quest for happiness Roosh.
    It’s a sick world out there for sure. But as long as you maintain your integrity. It won’t matter that the world around you screwed up. At least you can hold your head up high and say “At least I gave it my best shot”
    I have enough game knowledge to now use it sparingly. And I have a personal rule – “The less I have to use it on you, the more you’ll be worthy of my long term commitment.”

  • lonewolf

    İ was trolling through okcupid for the past 5 days. it’s funny how in almost 90% of the profies, girls had the same message me:if you can make me laugh,have something interesting to say,and don’t message me if u only want sex written.I was thinking to my self that these bitches here only want a clown and are here just for attention whorin and entertainment. I blame the weak males for this shit.if only they had some dignity and didn’t sell it for a very low chance of getting a hole on a pretty face.

  • http://www.dawnofchange.com/ Onder Hassan

    The problem with overt questions is that women will often respond with dishonest answers.

    The best way to know is to screen them out by watching what they do.

    - Are they house proud?
    - Do they take pride of their environment? cook, clean and take care of themselves?
    - Do they love and respect men?

    Important things to look for when with a girl. I’ve yet to meet a single one that ticks all of the boxes.

  • GetItGoing

    And magic money machines.

  • Dick Tater

    Dictatorship is the answer. Spread the word guys.

  • Ian

    “Men have become an utterly replaceable and expendable commodity in a girl’s life”

    They’ve always been. The context of today’s life just shines more light on that fact

  • HughdePayens

    How did we get here? I think the answer lies somewhere in this thought.

    Neither sex needs each other so we dedicate ourselves to corporations,
    entertainment, and base pleasures instead, and this is a great tragedy
    that most people believe is a sign of progress, a cause for celebration.

    All of our lives we have been trained in school and in society to be good little workers. This society is the result. Perhaps the hippies were on to something when they asked if there wasn’t more to life than working for the man. Course they fucked up everything but that doesn’t mean the question wasn’t worth asking.

  • HughdePayens

    Not so much. We believe that bullshit because war hasn’t ravaged this continent in a long time. But have an invader roll up California and then all of a sudden men will become a must have accessory. Better to have a Sheepdog next to you when the wolves come a calling.

  • anon

    Ugh, I hate how the manosphere for some reason brings in the neo-nazi and jew hating racist trash like you.

  • Kingsley

    Myself to a tee lurking here and the Manosphere.

  • Ternarydemon

    Fair enough. Women get crazier and in their early 50s the Hamster spins for his life. Perhaps it only ends once women pass menopause, and the strogen feeding the Hamster stops.

  • anon

    We have swallowed the red pill. We are now on the Nebacanzza, except that there is no hot loving Trinity that we get to fall in love with.

  • VaultBoy

    Brave New World, anyone?

  • Lt Lovelock

    Questions of legality and “ethics” aside, which is more dignified for a man: paying for sex with his cash or with his time by playing the role of court jester?

    It seems the only difference is that the latter provides a nice dopamine hit of fulfilment at having won the game of garnering female approval.

    So the question becomes: is it good for a man to seek female approval?

    I am not so sure it is.

    Think of it this way: do you care if a hobo thinks you are well dressed? Or if your neighbor’s dog appreciates your scent?

    “What, are you crazy!?”

    In the end, all of these problems boil down to the progressive diminution of the value of western men. It is hard to believe that an average guy from 1914 would even countenance playing the jester; modern tinder hos and streetwalkers would be equivalent, and their opinions equivalently immaterial, to him.

    Time warp him to 2014, hand him an iphone and he’d probably be confused as to why dating apps don’t have payment systems built in.

  • steve h

    do what you want, go where you want – *based on what/where you want to do/go that isn’t primarily based on getting laid*. girls and sex are great, but secondary. if there was some mission driving you to a city even as abhorrent as toronto, but you believed in the mission, you’d go there, do your thing, and have no trouble hooking up during your downtime. you feel like an entertainment monkey because you’ve been willing to play that part. so it’s your fault.

  • Sam

    Roosh-
    Lets hear some more of those “rotating stock of questions I ask women “in future posts.

    Ps-Hipsters and the word irony are cheesy but-
    Isn’t it ironic how lousy women are yet men give up their best of all they’ve got to chase them?
    Women need to be put back down from their pedastool.

  • Al

    Who owns the banks media companies top lobbing firms? That’s like saying look at all those tall black guys in the nba- how racist. It’s not racism it’s stating the facts.

  • Al

    Getting laid should mean a woman got attitude and disrespected a man and got laid out with a right.

  • Detlef Mourning

    I was thinking the other day. Has a woman ever in your life pleasantly surprised you? As in you underestimated her and she ended up having more depth, character and intelligence than you initially surmised?

    Then, on the flip side, how many times have you met a woman, and she struck you as fundamentally decent when you first getting to know her, but at some point she demonstrated that you were giving her way too much credit and that she was not what you thought she was.

    I can say the first scenario has pretty much never happened…and the second scenario doesn’t happen very much anymore either, mainly because I rarely assume a North American woman is decent. I am rarely wrong about that.

  • ray

    Well boss from the limited sample i’ve observed, men-o-pause can slow the Hamsterlator, but not still it. Yes the sexual component usually alters, but the underlying psychospiritual conditions (acquisition and security of Top Social Marker Male, emptiness of God etc.) do not change. The Script — if not The Song — remains the same.
    Agree that late forties, early fifties, the modern western female’s hamstercompass careens wildly. Remember that almost NONE of these females are under the guidance of an actual man. They’re all Independents, including the “married” ones. So we see these Empowered Oldies all over our cultures, shredding masculinity and fatherhood at every opportunity, demanding more anti-male laws, more mancages, etc.
    At that point, regardless of past behaviors, most women believe they SHOULD have snagged a TSMM, and if they havent, and most havent, then guess whose fault it is, and who’s gonna pay? That’s what their government is for.
    Cheers.

  • Robbie

    You left out her hitting the wall and nagging you to death when you are not off slaving away. Then you are expected to kiss ass to her stupid friends and family during your prime off time while listening to her same old banter when you are alone with her.

  • steve h

    yeah, the 1st scenario has been true of several south american women i’ve met.

  • Aaron

    I’d take Zeppelin, Soundgarden, Nirvana, or Alice N Chains over any of this top 40 mind control we have today. Even if all the bands I mentioned were probably a bunch if druggie hippie dudes in their personal life’s I guarantee you they had higher its than the brave new world Generation Y and millenials around today.

  • anon1

    Whoever coined the term “enjoy the decline” was on point

  • Roosh_V

    “so why continue to be a clown?”

    Sex

  • General Stalin

    This is so dark. Your nihilism is strong lately. Pretty bleak perspective, but very logical and considerable.

  • WorldTraveler

    Ain’t no nihilism on here. Roosh is just stating the obvious and ain’t afraid to face the harsh reality of the modern Western World.

  • WorldTraveler

    DAAAMN RIGHT!! I’ve done the same with POF shit.
    All North American females only want a tall, dark and handsome millionaire, who’ll behave like a clown, grant them full access to his money, never object anything a female wants and never dare to have an own opinion.
    THAT’S what I call a dream male for a North American female, just some kind of a pussified robotic millionaire with absolutely NO self esteem.

  • Lundberg

    Nah. If hubby meets the business end of a bayonet, she can always happily hook up with Chong the Invader.

    Men haven’t always been fungible, as they are today, but they have always been interchangeable.

  • Dam

    “So we see these Empowered Oldies all over our cultures, shredding
    masculinity and fatherhood at every opportunity, demanding more
    anti-male laws, more mancages, etc.”

    You ain’t seen nothing yet.

    When the current crop of carouseling pre-spinsters finally hits the wall and discovers politics, watch out.

    There’s never been a generation of women more alienated and socially disconnected from men.

    With their superior numbers, encitement from pre-existing man hostile lobbies, and having little to lose by angering the few men in their already barren personal lives, they will use the ballot box to hatefuck us all.

  • WorldTourBachlor

    Dead On….great article

  • Uzisuicide

    Women eventually need a man after the wall hits and they have little remaining value. That’s when they begin to ask “where have all the good men gone.”

  • Roosh_V

    I think you’re mistaken. Nostalgia or a yearning for tradition is quite the opposite of nihilism.

  • WorldTraveler

    Even this trend is changing right now. Only a few women now wonder where all the good men have gone. An overwhelming majority of North American females pretend they never hit the wall and keep acting as if they were 20 years old when they hit 40 or even 50.
    And why should they change when they have an endless line up of sex hungry and desperate males roaming the street of any city or town in North America and willing to do anything in order to get access to that elusive pussy?

  • Tom Dane

    This post is almost comical in its stupidity.

  • ray

    “There’s never been a generation of women more alienated and socially disconnected from men.”
    Yeah this is unprecedented, nothing really even close thru history. Most females operate a lot on shared/group consciousness, and the politicization of this herd is diabolically effective, appealing to a v broad spectrum of biases, desires, fears, and demands, which emerge as an unreformable, self-serving polity.
    I enjoy seeing, this site and elsewhere, resistance to this clever form of totalitarianism. Cheers

  • Ronaldo

    One of your better posts- good analysis on he menopause set
    Many dont even consider.
    20s they are entitled cock carousel riders
    30s wall and scam a beta
    40s yolo and take betas assets
    50s hampered brain bombs into insanity and many are left torn in aftermath

  • USSA Today

    You just summed up gender dynamics in the USSA for the past 50 years and the clever zog/nwo bankers who made all this mayhem occur so the rockefellers and rothschilds
    Could have two corporate cog wage slaves to tax incomes, put their goy slaves kids into govt brainwashing/”public education”, and promote all their cultural
    Chicanery to warp further generations.

  • Leo

    The West is nothing but the Zionist central bankers juggernaut to bully and threaten anyone who doesn’t let
    Old Jew businessmen in Manhattan and Tel Aviv railroad them into submission.

    I would imagine some
    Of the other non feminist/Zionist gender breakdown brainwashing countries are in the Balkans or Baltics-we all know Western Europe and Scandinavia are intellectual and cultural post modern feminists cess pools.

  • Xavier

    To use Platos allegory of he cave- what are some interests that could evolve them from their bland lifestyle?
    Illuminate them with your insight?

  • Lacedric

    Why? Seriously?!
    Read The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion and Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike. Check out Real Zionist News.com and iamthewitness.com
    Henrymakow.com is good too.

  • http://www.practicalhappiness.com/ practicalh

    Truth hurts, and this truth hurts more than others. You can notice how men are nothing more than clown at a bar where every guys takes approaching and talking to girls so seriously, while to women it is really a clown show.

  • John

    Roosh,

    Of course they see use as a toy. You’re in a nightclub where the tacit implication is everyone seeks sex. Naturally, women don’t need to convey anything special, or noticeable personality. There’s maybe 10 guys who would go with every girl there — no problem. Allow me to borrow an analogy from one of your narratives (involving the Philippines.) And for the sake of argument, the examples below are of average attraction, and at the age of 25.

    American Women in the United States seeking men (10:1)
    American Men in the Philippines seeking women (10:1)

    In both scenarios, each party are treated so well by the one they’re attracted to, that the need for personality, charisma, and charm is non-existent. So you can basically “leech” off the free attention of others, raise your ego, and be excruciatingly selective.

    If you sought women in other circumstances, you may change your perspective on this culture. Do you think your mother met your father in a dingy nightclub smelling of cigarettes, and cheap beer?

    Probably not.

  • BigBoobyLovah

    Post-wall women can think they never crossed The Wall that is the Rubicon river of attractiveness all they want – but they cannot deny reality. Being an older, single, post-wall woman is a very lonely life. Sure they can get sex, but who with? As time advances, the type of men that they want to bang with goes down, and hard, and then fast – Very few women can age gracefully. No matter how accomplished, woman are still viciously judged on looks, whereas men are judged on achievement which gets better and more pronounced with time, which women of all ages find very attractive (I speak from experience with my own success with younger women that I consider very much out of my league). What kind of man wants to have a relationship with a post-wall woman? Men that they were used to getting are NOT interested in women their own age – they want the pretty 20-25 year old (or at least under 30), and they can get them. Even average-looking, older American guys can go foreign and get a much younger, nice, decent, pretty women that thinks their the greatest thing. Do these post-wall women have this option? I suppose it’s fine if all they want is sex, but what kind of life is that? – Without any true companionship, without connecting with another human being ever again? It’s still a Mans’ World in my opinion. Don’t be so pessimistic if your a man – Think about it.

    Just go on OKcupid.com – I’m astonished at the number of over 40, even over 30 women who are still single, no kids, and most clearly being post-wall. I live in the DC area and this phenomena is very common. My advice to young pretty women is to lock down a man for marriage when they are young, preferably before 25. But most will not take this advice, and they act surprised when they are 30, still single, post-Wall, and cannot find a Man that they like. These women just assumed their appeal would last forever and never end, but it’s really based on their looks, Not their personality, career achievement – It’s brutal. They enjoyed their years of easy banging with all of the attractive guys they wanted, and then one day, these women become invisible to these desirable type of men.

  • Igniss

    This is the good old “if you only met a girl at the library” fallacy. While nightclubs are bad bet bets for LTRs, they’re especially bad bets for women (because men who want LTRs are usually Betas who will be too intimidated to approach amid all the clangor and competition) – not bad bets for men.

    Firstly, most women go to nightclubs (or attention whore on online dating sites) regardless of their profession or other circumstances. But for the sake of argument, let’s assume that there is one that doesn’t. Do you truly believe that she is going to be any less attracted to game and dominance in high amounts (again, whose only providers are Alphas)? Her attraction is stoked by exactly the same things, only they seem a bit more classy because they’re “artsy” and whatnot. Sure, there is a chance, but it is a weak correlation at best. Equating women who don’t go clubbing with “good girls” is shortsighted at best and reeks of the Madonna-Whore complex at worst.

    Note that I’m not claiming that there are no good women, I’m just pointing out that it’s foolish to think that a woman is somehow of high quality just because you met her outside a club. That might have been valid 40 years ago, but today we’re too far gone for it to be a reliable bet.

  • Evil Clown Posse

    If Princess Casting Couch wants you to be a clown, embrace your innermost evil clown in all its magnificent evil glory.

    OH, OH … Princess Casting Couch likes rough play, likes being slapped around a bit? Baby, you’ve got the bonus play!

    Do you go Arnold Palmer on her ass, or do you get her punch drunk like Muhammad Ali? SO. MANY. CHOICES.

    It’s hard to pedestalise a woman when she’s trying to wipe the smeared make-up and spooge out of her hair and eyes, or when you can see your hand prints on her ass from how hard you’ve smacked it, or when she’s owning that shiner you just gave her for being mouthy like it’s a bag of silver dollars …

    Become your own Insane Clown Posse.

  • Evil Clown Posse

    I prefer Lene Lovich’s “New Toy” to Cyndi Lauper’s “Girls Just Want to Have Fun” …

    “I want a new toy … to keep my head expanding …”

    I suspect that Lene Lovich would have seriously kicked Cyndi Lauper’s ass in a no-holds-barred cat fight … :-)

  • strangerchat

    {Citizen Kane clap}

  • strangerchat

    I’m sure you consider yourself a “dynamic, multidimensional woman” with an “interesting personality”. And therein lies the problem since everyone else sees you (and a scary percentage of western women) for what you are – a delusional, combative waste of time.

  • Mr. Anomy

    Roosh I think you’re missing a valuable piece. The “Magic Switch”. 90% of all women have what I call a magic button and it’s not between her legs. It’s a switch that turns off everything they have been taught from birth and leaves them completely vulnerable. The downside to this “Magic Button” is that it takes masterful skill, planning and a lot of work to flip it which most men either aren’t capable of or don’t care to spend the time or effort.

    What is this switch based on you ask? Like men women are born with raw natural instinct. A mans instinct is to hunt, gather and protect. A woman’s instinct is to nurture, be wanted and love and be loved. Women’s lib and society has taken a woman’s raw instinct and covered it over with many layers, which are almost impenetrable. I say “almost” because there is the “Magic Switch”.

    90% of all women can be completely OWNED by one man that knows how to flip her personal switch. What do I mean by owned? I mean that she will always see you as the only man for her. No matter whom you’re with or whom she is with, no matter where you live, no matter how much time passes. You could be out of each other’s lives for 7 years. She could even be married with kids and call her out of the blue and say, “drop everything I want you”, and she would make it happen.

    Like I said 90% of all women have this switch but what flips it is different for each one. The bigger question is, are there any girls out there that are worth the effort and if they are will one be enough to keep you happy?

    Mr. Anomy

  • BigBoinkaMoFo

    Rather than a clown, I feel more like the dancing organ-grinder monkey, that’s being led on a leash by the clown.

  • Nevsky

    I always thought it was Aaron Clarey/Captain Capitalism.

  • j-dub

    Roosh-
    I will work with some woman who had kids by one guy and who is, her 2 kids are, her mom is, supported solely by her second husband. She does not work-she starts in June
    I had her tell me point blank that she doesn’t need a man. The cognitive dissonance is simply uncharitable.

  • Lundberg

    “To keep women satisfied requires a level of male authority way beyond your childish clowning.”

    Hamsterlation: Hurry up, man up and marry a slut.

  • General Stalin

    I definitely understand the nostalgia aspect; reminiscing on a bygone era of social dynamics that have been tragically washed away by delusional and “progressive” ideals. All’s I’m saying is that your outlook here has a very “why bother” vibe to it. Like everything is shallow and pointless with regard to love, relationships, and the sexes. That’s what I’m getting out of it anyway.

  • Lundberg

    In the manosphere, “nihilism” is an ego preserving euphemism for “gives me bad feels.”

    Isn’t everything shallow and pointless with regard to “love?”

  • WorldTraveler

    I’m with you on this one about POF or OKCupid dating sites.
    But I still say that ANY woman in North America can easily get whatever she wants and whoever she wants just by placing an online ad. She’ll always get a line up of desperate and sex hungry males willing and ready to cater to any of her demands and requirements in a vain hope to get access to that elusive female pussy.

  • guest

    If you treat women as disposable, you are not ‘yearning for tradition.’ Asking women directly if they ‘need’ men after gaming them is silly and honestly comes off as a little creepy to them. You can’t treat women as disposable and then bitch that they treat you the same way (unless you *want* them to be hurt?). A real man tries to find a woman on equal ground with him, not someone who is desperately dependent on him for survival because what kind of healthy relationship is that? PS Wishing suffering on children because of poor parenting is low as shit. Make up your mind, Roosh. Do you want to pump and dump all the time and then bitch and moan to the men who circle jerk to your “nostalgia” and “bravery” or become the sort of man that a woman feels like she actually needs?

  • gibraltar

    Don’t forget being forced to work any job to pay the monthly child support bill unless you want to share a cell with ray ray at the local city jail.

  • Boink-Master

    See:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2595538/The-sixty-somethings-look-half-age-back.html

    Another article showing some wish-full, delusional thinking by post-wall women, fortunately some are married. Langdon could easily be mistaken for a old trannie.

    Christie Brinkley at aged 60 is still attractive and definitely an outlier and not the norm. Unfortunately, she gives younger pretty women the false impression that they can do the same.

    Young pretty women really need to lock down a good Man before they exit their Window (aged 15 – 29) and hit The Wall.

  • PaulMurrayCbr

    Join us, Roosh. MGTOW is waiting for every PUA who finally gets over his need for acceptance from women. Getting over than need is as simple as growing older. Ditch your little black book and your closet full of oh-so-carefully selected expensive suits, shirts and shoes and join us.

  • WorldTraveler

    And what if North American females openly reject attempts to build a relationship based on equality?
    North American women want MONEY and MONEY ONLY! Qualities like honesty, integrity, equality, respect, support and mutual understanding do NOT matter any longer and are considered a weakness, a fault by all the modern North American females. Any independent, self respecting, honest male who dares to stand up and be counted, to lead by example and to have an OWN opinion is an automatic LOSER by North American standards!

  • Jason

    I’ve gotten to the point where I can predict what a “stock” American woman is going to say to interact with me. It really makes me have no reason to want to have a conversation with them. It’s a shame really. And this isn’t even just about women anymore either. America is just fucking divided in general and we’re really getting taken to the cleaners because no one really wants to come together and really solve issues.

    Why do that when you can look at the next American idol or talk about the latest movie flick.

  • Miles

    The quotation marks are because it’s a quote from American Psycho you twat

  • WorldTraveler

    Spot on, Jason! I totally agree with everything you wrote on here!! Especially the ” American idol and movie flick ” part.

  • fizziks

    Holocaust denial is SO blue pill.

    And conspiracy theories are beta. If you blame all of your problems on some implausible paranoid fantasy, rather than striving to just improve yourself and your outcomes, it doesn’t get anymore pathetic than that.

  • fizziks

    You are not just stating the facts. You are trying to claim that they are in those positions as the result of some conspiracy, which is racist, not to mention stupid. That’s the difference.

    Blacks are in the NBA because they are athletic and and aspect of their culture emphasizes basketball achievement. Jews are prominent in business, law, and academia because their culture emphasizes education and hard work. In neither case is it is a conspiracy. If you were good at basketball you could be in the NBA, and if you were smart enough you could run a bank or do whatever. But you are not, and rather than just accepting that you are blaming your lack of achievement on others.

  • Abou Baldiaby

    Buddy, you sound like a huge chump who resents women because you can’t get them to play with your ding-dong.

  • Psychonaut

    Having healthy children is the greatest happiness in the whole fuckin’ Universe.

    I have had countless experiences that brought me happiness and I always remember them, but having children, my friends, is the meaning of life.

    THE MEANING OF LIFE

    This is more important than banging 100 girls or having two girls suck your dick in a drug party or winning a street fight with your superior fighting skills or kicking everyone’s ass at whatever you are good at.

  • Thetruthhurts

    Men respond to the market. Well said

  • Moneco

    Roosh, you hit it out of the park with this one. Thank you for your honesty. Feminine “virtues” are what we find lacking. This is what I see you fundamentally highlighting. Unfortunate for us, women have herd mentalities. Question: where can we find herds that promote feminine “virtues”- aside from the Manosphere? Shit man, I tried the religious route and found myself in the mist of another enemy to feminine “virtue”; Puritanism. Roosh, we can’t get sucked into their fucked up frames; we are not clowns, even if they perceive us as such. We are Men. Remember, Virtue actually means Manliness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtus_(virtue)

    We can’t expect women to be virtuous.

  • A girl

    I am not sure how I landed on this page while looking for something else, but oh boy! I didn’t think the dating scene is equally hard for guys as it is for some of us shy girls. Yes, that’s right I am a girl. After reading some of the posts here I have realised how a girls shyness can be assumed as being rude (mental note to correct this in myself) how making connection with modern woman is equally difficult for men as it is for women themselves. Being of eastern decent and having grown up in a household with traditional values where I was constantly reminded the importance of being independent was very confusing. However it made sense right after my first real job. I was financially independent but not emotionally independent so getting married seemed to be the right thing to do, with a guy who I thought I had a connection. Now my worlds were torn apart when being financially independent he wanted me to behave as a submissive wife seeking his permission for everything that mattered to me. I was prepared to ‘submit’ if this was beneficial to the relationship but not where he could go about his life with gambling away my hard earned money. My objections to this made him feel less of himself and I was accused of being ‘strong headed’ ‘dominating’ female who did not know how to live with a man. So I decided to leave him and haven’t been back to the dating scene since. Reading this makes me think how we all want the same things in life but somehow in this modern society where women have taken two steps further to match with those of men we have reached a stage of disconnect. The relationships I see working well in today’s times are ones where men are not trying to lead but walk with women, they are no longer only the ones talking but are also good listeners and have genuine interest in their female partners lives. Then there are these alpha males who aren’t ready for modern women yet so women with these men still choses to stay two steps behind and listen to them talking about ‘their jobs’ ‘ their dreams’ ‘ their knowledge of the world from various travels’ to make them feel they are leading us. Turn the tables and you have lost the interest of these men.

    Anyway I think you guys all know what works for you and what doesn’t and especially if it’s just about picking up and sex then what’s there to think about… Right?but I just thought you could all use a bit of female perspective. Hope this doesn’t offend anybody coz I am just a girl what do I know? :-)

  • Maria Rondsenwerth

    Dum Dum Toronto women are far better than morons like yourself. I wouldn’t even let you kiss my sweet little poophole because you might infect it with your desperation you can’t even get laid by the way you write on ur post

  • Maria Rondsenwerth

    I earn over $95,000 a year how much do you earn? You don’t even have the right to smear women with your misogynist post. I’m reporting this website to the Toronto police.

  • Maria Rondsenwerth

    You losers deserve to have lost ur misogynist manufacturing jobs in the recession. The tables have turned and you men deserve to be quote oppressed unquote.

  • Maria Rondsenwerth

    The writer is a loser and obviously knows that he is jealous that Toronto women earn more money than men and we have bigger butts and breasts which is the envy of the world.

  • Maria Rondsenwerth

    Ur stupid I am 45 years old and young Toronto men can’t keep their eyes off me but most of them are losers who can’t find a job because they are lazy and sexist. This is 2014 not 1894.

  • Maria Rondsenwerth

    ur hypothesis is wrong. I am 45 years of age, of European descent and I feel uncomfortable when those groups of Grade 12high school students keep on staring and cat calling me at the bus stop. The Toronto police should arrest those young potential rapists and prosecute them as adults.

  • p3ndulum

    And what, exactly, do you expect the police will do?

  • Crusty ol cunt

    I agree. Women in to do have large butts and an ugly personality to match. Wen they smell the dirty ass of the niggers they lick, Mayb they will realize gud ol fashiond Mormon values triumph the free coke niggaman giv

  • csmass

    It’s not progress to mess with nature and biology. Both sexes need each other, otherwise we wouldn’t have two sexes! All this bullshit feminist, I don’t need a man crap is for control. It enslaves us… anyone that can’t see that is full of it and needs to wake up.

  • aSDASDF

    When society collapses, and men run in gangs with submachine guns, shooting and destroying, when women are running in the streets in terror of having their brains splattered on the pavement or being hacked into pieces…that is when women will again remember why they need men.

    I don’t want any of this but it’s going to happen, as inexorable as the ocean tide. War, violence, and death are what women have no answer for.

  • fluffybiskuts

    and killers of bugs and icky spiders….eeeww

  • elle3232

    You know, it’s interesting… I live in the DC area (Alexandria), my friends and I all have grad school educations, and every one of us wants a husband and a family we can love and take care of. I myself am married and expecting a child, and I adore my husband. He’s my rock and I couldn’t live without him. He makes me a better person (and I hope I do the same for him).

    I think this is a narrative you’ve invented for yourself and you’re so far into it that you can’t see beyond it– that the majority of us want to come home every night to someone we genuinely like. There’s something to be said for that partnership, that trust. If it’s not for you, great, but what’s with the sweeping generalizations?

  • MajorStyles

    The 80s, with heavy metal like Metallica, offered a gutteral response of protest to the downward spiral. It was angry – pointing a finger outward.
    The 90s brought us grunge, where the anger was still there, but now with the sentiment of resignation. Kurt knocking himself off was a metaphor of the American male.
    Fast forward to the new millenium, and all the men have been effectively removed. We only have the voices of Beiber and Bruno Mars – more boys than men. They are the only acceptable voices for Team Feminism.
    The decline of music in the US represents the decline of the American male.

  • benvad

    That’s not what these highly impressionable dumb broads learn in useless majors, all of this is is result of them not liking Math.

  • benvad

    I can only imagine how fat you are.

  • benvad

    Since the Ukrainian crisis get ready for new stock of beautiful women coming our way. War does have its advantages.

  • benvad

    How man cats are you up to now?
    I reckon your hovering around the low teens as we speak.

  • benvad

    Your living in a fantasy world, no one is looking at you. If they are? They’re talking about you schizophrenic behavior.

  • benvad

    Why are riding a city bus if you’re ear 95k a year? Toronto is a suburb city, you need car.

  • benvad

    Obama’s thought police can’t stop us yet

  • Anon

    I want to believe the opposite and this is my counter argument:

    Every man watches porn. Every single man is turned on by porn.

    When I was a teenager back in the 90s we didn’t have broadband internet, so you’d look up the half nude girls on Page 3 and such and when you could muster the courage, you’d buy a porn mag and endure the laughs from the staff. Oh man, that first porn magazine, I can remember it in graphic detail 15 years on.

    Then along the way came internet porn and more and more extreme porn. The porn that was perfectly adequate in the 90s now wouldn’t give much of a boner (for the porn addict).

    Isn’t it the same for the club slut? The more she gets exposed to fist pumping steroid using bros, to smooth talking club promoters, to jetset millionaires, to male models, the less excitement she is going to find in a regular confident guy.

    Exposure matters. A girl who doesn’t go to clubs won’t have the same exposure to fleeting male attention and will need less alpha stimulation to get the same feelings.

  • LD

    queen of angels ftw

  • LD

    I was thinking this sort of stuff years ago. The trials will always end up outweighing the prize. You can’t outdance the level of entropy generated by the female herdmind. It’s an unstoppable unthinking or rather unconscious bullshit machine. Women control virtual reality, they always have another level of shit to throw out, shit made from the grist of male suffering and societal destruction.

  • Lawbringersr4

    Toronto Women?!?!?! Wow that is such bullshit! You’re even giving the impression that you think you’re a higher, more important entity than everyone here. BTW if actually set foot Countries like Russia, Brazil, China, or even Mexico you would be dead by now. I know this because I’ve been to those Countries and I read articles about Some woman from Toronto getting her head chopped off or getting shot to death and even her throat slit because they pissed ofthe locals from one of those countries. Now regarding your city, if you compare the women of Toronto Ontario to other Canadian Cities like Montreal QC and Vancouver BC, even in other countries like Columbia, Argentina, South Korea, Bulgaria, And Ukraine you are ugly as hell and you have an ego so big, and an arrogance reserve so large, that whenever you get into an argument with a guy you’ll continue the need to debate with them until you can get to a point of where your fat globuled veins and arteries feel safe and secure. My point is what makes you so special? BTW I’m Canadian too but i’ve spent most of my life living in and visiting over 35 countries

  • Solo

    They do need men, they need alimony and community property once they divorce a man.

  • herodotus

    this is the most depressing shit ive ever read. years spent as beta have groomed me to desire the opposite, but the facts are this is stone fuckin cold truth. what a shame

  • Laststop3h

    Depressing state of affairs but sadly true. I’ve taken the red pill a while back and while I’m not totally against relationships with women as I am in one now; I know she will likely get bored sooner than later and want to move on. All relationships are temporary. Pre wall women are constantly fighting her hypergamy to stay with the man she’s with.

    The clock is ticking on all of us….

  • Laststop3h

    You know how many women have said that same thing you just did, only to draw up a profile on AshleyMadison.com a few months later? My ex wife was head over heels, make you sick to her stomach in love with me and it took one year of marriage for her to get bored and want to move on. And no, I don’t say this cause I’m still hung up and bitter about it, I hear stories like this every day. Exceptions to the rule exist but the rule still stands.

  • Laststop3h

    I highly doubt eligible Toronto men are eying up a 45 year old post Wall woman when hot 21 year old Asian girls are shopping on Younge Street.

  • Vriska

    Women are just not worth the effort, for the most part anymore. It would seem in this age of no-fault divorce and increasing standards of attraction (I.e. DEMANDS) on the part of women, the only recourse for a guy who doesn’t want to get bound and divorce raped by some fattening cow is to divest himself of all “positive” mating traits, become a total psychopath and reap the rewards as swarms of insecure, pathetic women flock to you.

  • Clark Kent

    I’ve been saying this for the last couple years. All the dudes I know in tdot that just don’t give a shit about their careers and don’t mind leeching off other people get all the action with girls. They perform for them but provide nothing of lastig value. The middle class dudes who work hard to stay out of debt and take care of themselves get treated like rapists. The girls bounce from one performer to the other… And the performers who think their little princess loves them end up with nothing to show for it when they get replaced by a new act. I’m saying fuck it and just focusing on self improvement. I’ve already seen a couple of these career bitches wake up and realize the wall is coming

  • Clark Kent

    ***get treated like rapists or get roped into provider role when the girl gets older***

  • roman43

    You have committed the ultimate folly of asking a woman what she wants! Of course she will never tell you the truth! Women are masters in creating artificial demand for themselves, this prevents them from saying yes to your question (which is totally needy behavior in itself), DO NOT not fall for it! She wants and needs a man even more than a man wants and needs a woman. Remember, it’s a man’s world. Men can do well by themselves, women cannot. Women need a man for accompaniment, they need a man be there to take care of stuff and they need regular dicking. I know a bunch of women who are desperate for man, but can’t find him. Men are DEFINITELY not clowns, only those who are made to think they are, are. Men rule.

  • Dan

    Sad, but true.

  • Vriska

    Seeing your reply and my original comment, I realize I meant to put: “…swarms of insecure, pathetic women TEMPORARILY flocking to oneself.”

    Even if you’re getting easy pussy by being an uncaring loveable asshole, it’s only temporary.

  • Tim

    No way. Even pop culture reflects that you’re wrong!! Look at every boyfriend or husband on prime time TV–even the cartoons and…and…hmm. Well, uh, never mind. I’ll be over hear playing Call of Duty on my PS4.

  • plokiju

    I’ve read this post many many times and it is, in my opinion, the best manosphere article ever written.

  • EpicFail

    If you did some research youd see its actually all true. Covering your ears and screaming “lalala” doesnt make it not so. Quit being so naive, pulling the race card is just as bad if not worse than a feminist pulling the mysoginist card.

  • Greg

    This post is insanity. Is the Israeli military feminine? Is Bugsy Siegel feminine? Or Steve Wynn or Sheldon Adelson (casino moguls and billionaires)? Oh, and by the way, Rooshv is Indian. Rest assured, there’s a special place in hell for people like yourself.

  • sss

    All you said is true, fantastic article

  • sss

    Women are huge assholes

  • MGTOW

    Typical shaming language. This “cant get laid ” talk is played out bitch , get the fuck outta here.

  • Dylan Skriloff

    The writer of this article sounds like a woman, in that he is over-dramatizing things. Most women still like to have a family and allegedly (according to studies) have less than six sexual partners in their lives. So it’s like you describe the one half of reality and not the other.

  • Dylan Skriloff

    Has to be a troll, wow

  • Phenix Rising

    Where is your Nobel Prize?
    BOOOM Goes The Dynamite.
    Take THAT FemiNazi’s!
    Though… men have all-ways known… real men…
    Play On Playa. ” )
    Keep up the Right Fight.
    Men = positive Yang creators
    Women = negative Yin destroyers

    OH! And pretty much agree with the other commentators and their witty remarks and realizations coupled with personal experiences… but I DID NOT read them all!

  • Jack LaBear

    So the Jews who control everything are behind the Islamification of the West?

  • truth

    I will perform like the good clown I am so that she is entertained enough to have sex with me.

  • truth

    dumb whore talking back…

    no one cares about your dirty ass hole.

  • truth

    again please leave you dirty asshole whore…

    no one cares about your posts.

  • Jessica

    You sound like a sexist A-hole who’s been dumped a few times. If men are clowns, then women are objects. Or we’re all just people. Get over it, dude.

  • barbain

    they do, it’s called myfreewebcams and the likes

  • Driver

    Toronto women are terrrible compared to women from NYC. They are 6s (at best) trying to act like 8s or 9s. Not impressed at all by these women. I’ll go to Vancouver or Montreal any time of the year versus ever going to Toronto.

  • Driver

    Yep, indeed. Sad but so very true. I went out the other night and I could see it happening right before my eyes. Women just looking for the best new “shiney” thing in their life to distract them. Pretty sad.

  • Driver

    Because they don’t have to be held accountable for anything any longer. Our society has now given them a free pass to be “empowering”. That means no more using simple common courtesy at all.

    The ‘You go girl’ attitude….has even replaced just everyday manners. Sad but true…..look around.

  • Driver

    lol…fuck the Toronto police. And that 95K a year is low compared to me…so keep on working. Maybe you’ll get my respect one day when you start acting like a lady, again.

  • Driver

    Yep, agree Phil. What’s really sad is when you see a domino effect happen after you decide to leave (or they let you go). Many others follow (resign, quit, etc…) because you were the glue holding it all together.

    The company eventually folds…and yes, it was all because of you. Stupid companies, stupid owners….and women should take notice because there is a relating ‘trend’ or ‘ theme’ regarding relationships.

  • John hedlenssonn

    sounds like YOU got your little butt hurt. Thinking YOU need to do your crying somewhere else.

  • puchasanyasi

    Sounds desperate. but, when yours is a welfare state, and the laws are feminist corrupted. what else to expect? at the end, Women will feel the heat, when men of future generation will show their back.

  • UGH

    Why do you hate women so much? I don’t understand. I treat men with respect and don’t see them as clowns. This is so full of hate :/

  • blackstarESP

    You’re weak, shut the fuck up.

  • blackstarESP

    No really. They’re loudmouthed trash who couldn’t turn on a light bulb. You’ll have to excuse me, I need to go vomit after thinking about kissing your peanut and corn-filled shithole.

  • blackstarESP

    Yup. And they show up with their disheveled, stretched, flat-tire vaginas carrying the DNA remnants of 50 different dudes and a host of lies about how she’s only been with 1 guy. They’re so predictable.

  • blackstarESP

    Awww, your hurt little “feelings”. Suck it up and quit being so weak. You’re an empowered, strong, independent woman, right? NOT.

  • blackstarESP

    45? You old fucking bag. How is that wall treating you? Better yet, how is your imagination treating you?

  • blackstarESP

    It’s as easy as breathing to get a modern woman to “play with your ding-dong”. It’s next to impossible to keep them around for any length of time. Did you read the article?

  • blackstarESP

    “bigger butts and breasts” is femslutspeak for “I’m a giant waddling lardass and this is how I spin words to avoid dealing with the reality of my 45 years on the planet and my impending irrelevance”.

    You also “make more than $95k a year at 45″ or so you brag. I was making that at 31. Step up your game, brogirl.

  • blackstarESP

    The ones that stay around will usually be insufferable to deal with. If a woman feels that she hasn’t “settled” for her best possible match, she’ll either:

    1. Cheat and move on and possibly come back later with her tail between her legs

    2. Get him to break it off (i.e. get his permission to slut around and find something better)

    3. Be insufferable and combative while blaming him for her behavior

    4. File for divorce and ruin him emotionally and financially while raising fatherless kids who grow up with no male influence and think people like Justin Bieber and Carson Kressley are ideal masculine role models.

    Granted, some women are not like this. Some modern women are genuinely self-actualized, secure and accountable to themselves and others, but these women are in the very, VERY small minority and are likely already committed to quality men.

    The women you are likely seeing that are happy in their relationships are usually fully convinced in their own minds that they’ve found their best match. I wish them the best. But the reality is, many women feel they’re entitled to better men than they currently have. Their expectations are grossly misaligned with reality.

    I think what Roosh is trying to argue here to some extent is that more and more women are following this model of errant behavior and the trend is very disturbing.

  • blackstarESP

    How’s your white cape fitting these days?

  • blackstarESP

    Wahhhhh so sexist!!!!! Shut the fuck up.

  • blackstarESP

    Well, they do have answer. It’s to blame men.

  • blackstarESP

    You’re neither seeing nor understanding the bigger picture of the things we discuss here.

  • blackstarESP

    Amen. The one highly desirable thing women brought to the table aside from sex was companionship. They can’t even do that anymore.

  • blackstarESP

    So sick, and so true.

  • Eorthisio

    Men DON’T need Women, Women DON’T need Men, we don’t need each other for anything else than reproduction.

    In today’s world men already invented the things that liberated us from the parasitic housewife, we invented the washing machine, the dishwasher, the toaster, the microwavable meals, and so on.

    We don’t need women, and women don’t need us, very soon for reproduction too thanks to artificial wombs and sperm banks, why bother with each other?

  • Eorthisio

    Idiot can’t even use BBcode properly.

  • Tim

    Well most of the women out there today just stink, and are very stuck up too.

  • Tim

    Most of you women are just so rotten and nasty today, and you’re such losers too.

  • Spelunker4Plato

    Please please PLEASE don’t talk shit about birth control. It’s a good idea for all of us. Stop talking like it isn’t one of the greatest things that our species has come up with. Right up there with internet, indoor plumbing, and safety procedures.

    Sleeping around isn’t as big a deal as being a corporate wage slave. Wage slavery is a much bigger problem.

    “Whatever natural connection that once existed between the sexes has now been severed.”

    Traditional cultures existed because of the scarcity of resources. In biblical times, women were seen as property and of economic value, especially kings who would allow their military leaders and soldiers to have the women of the lands they invaded.

    The natural connection you’re speaking of will come back when men and women stop expecting to have happiness from a traditional perspective. Your conclusory paragraphs are indicative of someone who just wants to fuck and be happy.

    Well, everyone should consider fucking and being happy. It’s pretty damn simple. We have birth control for it.

  • Kristen

    I’m pretty sure this attitude “For the next girl I meet, I’m not going to ask her if she needs a man, because I know she doesn’t. Instead I will simply ask her if she wants a man, and if the answer leans yes, I will perform like the good clown I am so that she is entertained enough to have sex with me. Either she or I will eventually get bored and the relationship will end. Then I will simply repeat my performance on a someone new, because I’m a skilled clown, and that’s exactly what women today want.” is not a new one… pretty sure it’s basically been the dominating one among men. And now we are blaming women for that attitude? Don’t worry guys if things keep going the way they have you may never actually have to be accountable for anything you do :)

  • Kristen

    Guess what guys go out there and already do exactly what you say you are going to do… and all you’ve done is maybe break some guy code bc you are doing it from a place of anger which kind of builds the argument that the one’s who have been doing exactly that since high school were and are still doing it from a place of anger. Guys that go out there with a mindset of “well i’ll just be interesting so I can get you to sleep with me, but this is ultimately going to go nowhere” are clearly coming from a place of anger. And then to add insult to injury it’s because guys know women so well and it’s actually what us women want. You’re talking about people’s daughters and sisters and to say women want to be discarded is outrageous. And to say women want to play the field alternatively to having a meaningful relationship with a man tells me you don’t want to be taken seriously.

  • Kristen

    “Anything required for a woman’s survival or pleasure can be easily achieved without her having to put forth commitment, sacrifice, or labor. She can shave her head, gain 50 pounds, and disfigure herself with tattoos yet still have many suitors to—at the minimum—have sex on demand. Her food and shelter will be provided by a state which has embarked on an extraordinary effort to compete with men for her devotion and loyalty.”
    Men have to compete with the state for her devotion and loyalty? I’m pretty confident men don’t even compete with each other, let alone the state (LOL), for her devotion and loyalty.

  • bamabrasiliera

    Educated women who have their own money just don’t like self entitled losers! It’s pretty simple. The reason why 3rd world chicks are so easy is because their societies still tend to over value men and do not hold them to any behavioral standards. This means that, as long as she remains uneducated and unemployed, he gets to beat her, rape her, cheat on her, have babies with other women, not treat her with common decency…you name it! Western men are quite attractive to these women because they are still a step up from their men (at least that is what they think until they get married to them. The only time this is NOT true is when the man is old as fuck and just needs a warm body. And the woman obliges him because she will inherit all his crap when he inevitably dies before her).

    Western women like for men to talk to them and engage at a deeper level than many are capable of. Luckily, we have a society of Beta men. They can be a bunch of pussies testosterone wise, but they can at least make a home with us, provide friendship, and forgo the urge to be lead by their dicks instead of their brains.

  • Reality Check

    Stuck Up women are everywhere nowadays. Really not that nice women to meet anymore for many of us men that are Seriously Looking.

  • Fred Bastiat

    Old post and late comer to the topic, but not sure why one wouldn’t approve ethically of the sex trade. We each own ourselves, we own our bodies, and we exchange our bodies for income. This is labor, be it washing dishes, at a desk, or in a boxing rink getting hit. We own ourselves, we own our right to any labor that doesn’t hurt another person.

    There is no reason to question the ethics, the ethics are clear unless you think yow own another person.

  • Fred Bastiat

    What is a decent man to you? And is a decent man the same as a decent women, are the standards the same?

  • Fred Bastiat

    Not sure that’s the point Kristen. The point of the paragraph you cited is not competition between men and the state, but the change a socialist state has on sexual economics. This goes to need. I don’t want to live in a society where women need a man to provide because she is not allowed to labor for her own wages and, thankfully, that wasn’t the author’s point in that paragraph.

  • Fred Bastiat

    I have daughters and new to this entire discussion, as skeptical and critical as I am of some feminist assertions I find I’m just as skeptical and critical of some of the generalizations I’m seeing. But you’re being silly if you don’t think this entire movement is born of a real grievance and a real inequity, some by law, some by culture norms, and some of confused gender motives.

    I want my daughters to have meaningful relationships, meaning a partner in many significant areas of life. I want the same for my sons. I want neither disadvantaged by societal bias or government.

    I don’t disagree with some of your criticisms, but do you see any of the truth these men are communicating?

  • Fred Bastiat

    In your mind does accountability = being an entertainment clown?

    What he’s talking about is a real phenomenon, although the author might fair to point out that often times both sides are being clowns for the other. Date face I’ve always called it.

  • bamabrasiliera

    LOL! Decent men have jobs consistently, are not intimidated by women with their own money and minds, and have some kind of inner strength, such that they do not need to degrade the women they are with to “feel like a man.” My own husband is a good example of this, but he is rare and grew up in a household full of women where education was valued. Standards for women and men are not the same, because men do not necessarily require that the woman always have a job, and women are usually attracted to – not intimidated by – men who are smart and have money. We do have a tendancy to lose respect for men who are consistently out of work, as these men become depressed babies for us to take care of.

  • Fred Bastiat

    You seem to believe that men have low self esteems and that men seek women to cure those self esteem issues. I seem to notice the opposite.

    Regardless, decency is not relative, otherwise it is a meaningless barometer. Just as ethics can’t be relative, what use is an ethic that applies to one group or person, but not another? Men and woman may value different traits, but that is not an issue of decency. One gender is not inherently more decent that the other gender. Specifically, the goals for most men are not inherently less decent that the goals most women may have.

    What do you mean by, degrading? Specifically what actions against or with a women are you referring?

  • bamabrasiliera

    Degrading might be the man snapping at the woman or telling her that she isn’t pretty anymore, to hide his shame over not having a job. He does not want her to feel TOO good about herself. Or if she is attractive and other men notice her, and he is not a confident man, he may ask her not to wear things that make her feel good about herself. This is VERY common when we date men with low self esteem.

    Men often do not notice when they have self esteem issues, so I could see how you might be ignorant on this one :-)

    Also, I have said nothing about one gender being inherently more decent than the other. I specifically writing from the perspective of women and documenting the challenges we face when trying to be with a man like the one who wrote this article. I also defined what I meant by “decent” because you asked. You have incorrectly inferred that I was saying that women are more decent than men.

  • Fred Bastiat

    You could reverse the genders in your first paragraph and it would define many marriages I know. The male hatred and snark is strong in you, infantilizing and shaming meant throughout all your statements.

    You’re perception that ‘most’ and ‘many’ males need self esteem boosts from women is wrong and unsubstantiated.

    You might look at your own comments and see how many times you mention money, it’s telling as to what you feel about gender roles. Men are not born to be silent laborers for womankind.

    What you might be missing is the necessity for a shift in social paradigms to a much more negotiated relationship, one with togetherness and separation not defined by the State or old societal norms. This is what I feel many of these men are reaching toward, not a search for self esteem, but a search for self empowerment. Despite the snarkiness and femhate in many of the articles, it appears to me a movement that is asking nothing of women, but rather that men negotiate better for what they value.

  • bamabrasiliera

    No, “infantalizing” a man would be me agreeing that women should pet them and treat them like children. I am saying the opposite – that we should expect them to be men. Also, this is not an “all men do this” scenario. I am clearly speaking about a specific segment of the population. If this does not include you, then you have nothing to worry about :-) Also, it is well documented that man often have issues processing their emotions and are more likely to lash out at the people closest to them. I will let you do your own research on this one.

    There is no “snark” in my commentary. Just my own account of how I see the issue. The perceived “snark” may be coming from the demons in your own mind, or the impatience you may feel with having a woman disagree with you.

    When I mention money, I am just stating a fact of life. Most modern women do not want a man to pay her way, despite what many men’s rights activists think. Not middle class and upperclass women, anyway. Lower class women have issues that may include “having a man pay for everything.” However, we DEFINITELY do not want to be stuck with a man who has no money or resources because it is so intimately tied to his sense of masculinity in relation to the woman he is with. If she also has no money, everything is all good. If she DOES have her own money and he doesn’t..Houston, we have a problem! The only time I have seen this NOT be a problem is if the woman and man make a conscious agreement for the woman to be the breadwinner and the man to take on the house duties.

    I think if you read feminist articles (rather than “extreme” feminist articles) you might see that feminists are simply expecting equality. I think that modern women in first world countries have no problems with changing societal norms, as long as it does not include us being expected to invest a lot of time and energy into figuring out how to raise a boy into a man. And like it or not, life costs money. It’s why many women prefer the single life, rather than trying to be with a guy who has no resources, since most of us would also like to have kids. A guy with no money AND a child to feed is not attractive to those of us who are educated.

    I am happy that the State has programs to help single mothers, because it is a growing population in North America, and an indication that, for whatever reason, the men that helped them produce these kids are no longer around to help care for them. I would say that women HAVE / ARE shifting our traditional roles, but that their are not enough men available who have made that shift with women. Luckily, we are seeing a rise in the male feminist!

  • Fred Bastiat

    You should be careful thinking people that disagree with you are threatened by your education, intelligence, or womanhood. That might be considered a false sense of self importance.

    I’m well read on feminism and your view of it seems to mirror most of what I understand of the movement, including the death cult and call for socialism and the reduction of individual rights. You cannot say you for both equality and positive rights, they are opposing principles. Good luck keeping your cognitive dissidence at an equilibrium.

  • bamabrasiliera

    Just callin it like I see it! Later dude!

  • okc_lurker

    This was on a woman’s OKCupid profile:

    My self-summary
    I desire what most women want ~ someone who makes me laugh and also feel safe, so basically a clown ninja. ;-)
    (But for real, I’m way more afraid of clowns than any ninja)

  • All those tattoos now

    It’s worth noting that young women are getting unhappier as this unfolds.

    The evidence is literally in front of us – as the amount of tattoo ink races to catch up with the ever expanding female bulk…

  • The Debt Age

    And in the West here, we’re living in the “massive government borrowing age” – where an artificial economic environment (government borrowing & debt) has supported an artificial social-system.

    The artificial social-system (because it is not economically self-sustaining without government) includes the generous welfare state, feminism as we know it (which is heavily propped up by female public-sector employment, eg, UK public sector is 65% female), anthropologically absurd mass-immigration and the failed multiculturalism experiments.

    The Debt Age (& our fake society) will be coming to an end as the debts reach terminal levels – the international credit rating agencies are the only ones keeping the politicians honest now.

  • I’m just saying

    That’s here. It’s called porn on a screen. No need to build some bullshit robot.

    I’m a man, but I also recognise that without female pickiness – humans would not have evolved into our modern state. If every single knuckle-dragging male ever got to pass his genes on, humans wouldn’t have changed.

    At least we’re not dying in an awful protracted ice-age like our ancestors faced (if you’re Caucasian). That period shaped us by the way, and put us on top.

  • No, because the money is gone

    No, they won’t. The money is gone – the big Western nations are in terminal central-government debt situations.

    The US, Italy, France, Spain, Japan, Britain… France hasn’t run a budget surplus since the early 1970s.

    This applies to all these nations, but to use the US as an example, at time of writing (October 2014), the US federal debt is $17 trillion and growing. When O got in I think it was about $5 trillion.

    It’s over. As in, the “USA” and democracy itself are winding down (democracy will return in the future). The modern industrialised civilisation in North America will still be there, but it will have a new name and different politics.

    Fascism & “strong men” are coming. No-one is going to listen to a feminist in these times – indeed, feminists will be seen as part of the indulgent old-order that contributed to the social collapse. A few fems will be strung up on lamp posts. Many feminists will actually become normal people again as economic collapse forces people to step down from collective economic-bubble-era delusions.

    Who knows what will happen for sure, but the strife will last decades and will be awful.

  • It’s women’s voting

    No need to bring sad youtube-university conspiracy bullshit to the table.

    An actual contributing dynamic behind the long-term growth of the state in both spending and “reach” could well be the advent of female voting in Western nations. Female voting only started around 100 year ago. A few years earlier, only men who owned property could vote in many Western countries.

    In the US, one of the first social impacts of the female vote was a shrill, largely FEMALE LED crusade for the PROHIBITION OF ALCOHOL…

  • No. It’s modernity.

    It isn’t “Jews” per se, but cultural decadence as a byproduct of decades of peace and prosperity for ordinary Westerners. I can see how Americans might think it “is the Jews”. The Jewish aspect is relevant to Americans because many Jews live there & sadly many are in with the Left.

    But what of the Western nations with hardly any Jews – yet where Leftism is pervasive? Not many Jews in Europe.

    Here in Australia here there are a minority of cultural Leftists (like in every Western nation) – and there are pretty much NO JEWS here. Here, it’s immature Anglo-Saxon tossers (self-righteous poseurs) that make up almost all of the Left, and six out of ten would be women.

    Our wealthy societies create the soft conditions where detached and hateful Leftism can be indulged.

    The central dynamic is that after decades of peace and prosperity for ordinary Western citizens at home in their nations – previously fringe matters come to the fore. All the important problems were solved a long time ago.

    So, we have a build-up of sheltered, emotionally immature, naive, indulgent, Leftwing cultural faggotry.
    But as I’ve written above, the money is gone (massive government debts), and the charade cannot continue much longer.

  • Grow up

    Please grow up. Conspiracy people often cannot face the idea (reality) that no-one is “in charge of it all”.

    This idea is deeply scary for some people – so they actually derive comfort in conspiracism. Hey, at least “someone is pulling the strings”.

  • Say “no” to World of Warcraft

    I’m not a PUA, but PUA is hardly about “getting acceptance”. It’s very much about men getting something they want, their way.

    The MGTOW you speak of is a depressive sub-culture. I hope you realise this. Noticeably, half the webpages look like this: coloured text on a gloomy, pitch-black background (a subtle sign of depressed bloggers). That’s not even getting to the content.

    Past an initial discovery of MGTOW ideas (which have some merit), that sub-culture harms people by keeping them depressed and fixated upon women.

    BTW – Why have there been no assassinations of some of the worst feminist arseholes yet? I’m really surprised at this.

  • Come on!

    Ahem. I hope you noticed the word “Psycho”, and it’s implications!

  • Driver

    Agree. Pretty soon they’ll only need to stand still while teenagers sneak up to spray graffiti on these “structures” (no tat required).

  • SUPRA luca

    “I know this because I’ve been to those Countries and I read articles
    about Some woman from Toronto getting her head chopped off or getting
    shot to death and even her throat slit because they pissed ofthe locals
    from one of those countries.”
    For real? Not Brazil. Brazil would never put up with this crime.

    Brazilians are not the irrational monster you want to make out of them.

  • SUPRA luca

    Dildos that can’t even vibrate, glow in the dark or have the hardness last for that long lol.

  • SUPRA luca

    Well over half of the men in America are also overweight. There are more overweight men than overweight women in America. And you know that men face even bigger health risks when being that fat; that also mean they are even more unhealthy, as females get fat easier and males have a body built to burn fat fast and build muscles.
    Men in American care even less about their attractiveness and health. Fat women in America still, in general, try to dress well enough, shave the excesses of body hair, apply make-up, etc. Now the men? Not even the healthy ones try to put enough effort into their looks.

    The obliviousness to the male grossness many of you American males show is hilarious. You guys really believe women are blind and that only you guys want (well, you guys believe you DESERVE, even when you are ugly and gross yourselves) fit bodies to fuck, ahahaha! In all nature females are the ones to choose their mates by their fitness, strength, youth (even older females want and GET younger males as they have the valuable sperm; older females are still due to get pregnant so males don’t care. Even monogamous females “cheat” on their partners with younger, fit males as older males have trashy sperm) and beauty, why would female humans be any different? The stupidity.

  • SUPRA luca

    There are hamster cages that spin, now? I think I’ll be getting one of those!

  • SUPRA luca

    At least admit you guys only care about sex. You guys keep talking about family unit, fathers, blah blah blah… but you guys only care about sex, while shaming women for giving what you guys want. Some kind of bipolarity there.
    And what does that mean, will you guys try to kill “flesh” females, then? Just admit your psychopathic, “gendercide” tendencies for once, American idiots. How will robots replace women? Wouldn’t women use the robots to replace males as well? I mean, they will be even better than dildos and vibrators, right?

    You guys are so weak that you guys want robots, that have no minds of their own, to be your sex partners! LMAO! Of course, only a robot could be programmed to show (fake) “desire” and horniness for your flabbily hairy American bodies, but come on… the problem is you if your lack of attractiveness is that big.

  • SUPRA luca

    Porn is still made “using” real women, unless you only watch gay porn (yum!) or digital porn, hentai and shit like that.

  • SUPRA luca

    The problem is the kind of generalization. Roosh can’t prove with real researches even 1% of the shit he says.

  • SUPRA luca

    And you saying “everyone else” does this or that or sees someone as this or that proves that is true.

  • SUPRA luca

    “If a man takes care of their health and maintains a healthy lifestyle, men can actually get better (e.g., increased income, status, etc.) and more handsome and distinguished with age.”

    MORE HANDSOME WITH AGE???? Are you fucking kidding me? Or do you really prefer and get hard for older dudes? That is YOUR taste, then, but please, that is not true at all lol.
    Most men start balding way before 35, they find it much harder to lose weight and maintain muscles, they get flabby chests and stomachs, wrinkles. Oh so handsome, indeed! Also, their sperm is now garbage that should never be used for procreation anymore, not if you care about humanity’s future and healthy offspring.
    Women all over the planet prefer a hot young uy. The hot young studs have youth, good looks, and stamina (lol) on their side. No baggage, std, or drama to worry about. The older guy probably has a divorced behind him, with children, child support, alimony, and a std. An older body, flabbiness, wrinkles, is probably balding/bald, hard-on problems and a hurting back (LOL) and mutant sperm that should not be used for procreation anymore. What kind of young girl would put with that? Only a stupid lower female or a desperate, financially poor woman. For the young girl, the hot young stud has many more years to assist her in raising children compare to the older guy who will impregnate her with mutated sperm (not the best offspring there, maybe god forbid a sick baby) and in 20 years, she will be wiping his diapers. Gross.

    “Foreign women generally prefer older men, rather than younger guys.”
    Not most foreign women at all. The only ones that could put up with that are the golddigger ones that want to escape their misery. She won’t like YOU and see you as a great man in any way, though. You are just a tool. Guys that are that blind about their own grossness and oldness and seek young chicks that SHOULD be with young hot studs for the sake of humanity (most women all over the world prefer men up to 2 years older than them), as only young and fit men have valuable sperm, are not great man. Much to the contrary, you guys are the shittiest trash to ever exist in this planet, using your money to manipulate young poor females and ending up screwing our genes with your mutant sperm, and in the end human civilization.

    Men like you are shit. Not “alpha” at all. Any real alpha would punch you in the face for wanting to screw humanity and our genetic pool even more.

  • SUPRA luca

    ll of you whining idiots, complaining that women don’t need you guys anymore (thanks goodness)… do you guys need women? Individually speaking, of course? Do you guys feel any neediness for women and that is the reason you guys feel butthurt when women can lead their own lives without having to obey a male “master”? Cause really, all that nonsense is just ridiculous.

  • SUPRA luca

    American men ticking all of the boxes would be an even bigger rarity.

  • SUPRA luca

    OOOHHH YESSSSS I totally believe you meet many many many submissive masochist women like that to fuck! I mean, BDSM people actually go out with sane people that respect their sexual choices, not with little shits like you.
    But hey, that is the porn you enjoy watching and now you keep fantasizing about it being the sexual preferences of all women (and all men) and praying that will become true in your life, uh? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  • SUPRA luca

    You prefer women who don’t take your personality into consideration? Sense of humor is part of who you are, your personality. At least she isn’t going for guys with six packs only… come on.
    What do you want women to ask for?

  • SUPRA luca

    Dictatorship would mean that if I was in the power I could just judge you as not worth of living and torture you painfully everyday just to finally slit your throat after some 3 or 5 years. Well, spread the word!

  • SUPRA luca

    The enemies will be raping them; the men that “loved” them will be raping their enemy’s women. Whenever a lawless state comes, men start systematically raping women (and many children).
    Women already have the answer, they know most men act like psychopathic torturers when they are free to and that the best they can so is to make everything in their power to make it never happen and maybe one day abolish war altogether. Now men have to stop being that war hungry…

  • SUPRA luca

    … alimony and community property that most women don’t ever ask for.

  • SUPRA luca

    Actually, women live way better without men than vice-versa. Women connect much better with one another than men do with one another and they usually get all of their emotional needs met by connecting with their mothers, sisters and girl friends or book groups and so on, they can take care of most stuff or pay for someone to do it for them and for dicking… nothing a vibrator or dildo can’t do.
    Saying men rule won’t prove a thing. A small minority of men ruled by oppressing, killing, not giving rights and weakening others – only like that they can be stronger, by putting others (including other men) down. That is not strength, that is the biggest cowardice and weakness one can have.

  • SUPRA luca

    Is that much different than women having to be unnatural versions of themselves for men to ever pay attention to them? The effort they put into their looks is also ridiculous, as men should be attracted to “natural” women and not some dolled-up, fake version of them. Men expect women to be entertaining (eye-candy in a superficial way) and fake way more than vice-versa. Most women In North America just want a confident personality and some sense of humor.

  • Fred Bastiat

    I’d agree that both sides put on a ‘date face’ and game for both sexes is sometimes initially more important than other attributes. I’m not sure if men or women have it ‘worse’, I’ve watched both my sons and daughters date as young adults and find both have challenges.

    Confidence and sense of humor are certainly attributes that make both sexes more desirable.

  • FrankNizzo

    Spoken like a worthless cunt. No one in their right mind would want to associate with such a disease ridden petri dish of walking disease such as yourself. Not to mention the “winning” personality you show… women… God’s first and only mistake.

  • So Right

    You’re the Filth that God created.

  • Hamish Halfdane

    Hmm. No. You write with a fairly reasonable tone, but what you’d like to think is irrelevant. The Red Pill is a metaphor for awakening to the veiled truth of the reality around you. In other words, most of our modern western cultural “truths” are an enormous deception designed to cloud and confuse perceptions in order to manipulate. And just like the movie, until you “take the red pill” you are a potential agent of the system and cannot be trusted. It has nothing to do with evolution or learning new things. Barring interference by the agenda-driven, learning and evolution are just the natural consequences of life on this planet. If you want to understand red pill thought, ignore these nuenlightenment indoctrinators (feminists) and their buzzwords. Instead pay attention to life itself. Truth is not hate, even when it weakens your position.

  • Luke

    What a nice, sexist generalization of modern men. You must be a feminist troll.

  • Luke

    Typical, dumb, feminist psycho remark. Lump ALL men into a group and say that we’re all responsible for rape, murder, and war. You dumb b!tches keep singing the same tune over decade. It’s getting old.

  • Luke

    Advocating for lesbianism? What a surprise from a feminist.

  • Luke

    I see where you’re coming from, but this is all a big fantasy today. As history records, when women gain power over men in huge numbers like in Greece and Rome, they bring about the end of that civilization. Our society is really on the thinnest ice possible right now. When we collapse, those women and children won’t have the protection the government anymore. They’ll need us again. BUT, because they are so far removed from their traditional roles and duties as women… we will be having to do all of the work, making us weaker, because we’ll be having to piggy-back some retarded, useless bitch the whole time.

  • Luke

    Typical. You don’t see how you’re setting the rules for your house.

    Men are thrown out of the house when they lose their jobs, either because they’re upset by their failures or the women consider them useless. The same rules don’t apply to women. That is total BS. Your husband sounds like a typical mangina, who is so desperate for the opportunity to get in your panties, he’ll throw away his own wants, needs and desires, his own personal integrity just to follow your rules. BUT, women should be willing to do things HIS WAY as well, if you seriously want an equal relationship.

    No, you sound like the typical modern feminist. You want to be able to have your cake, eat it and have everyone else’s cake too. It’s your way or the highway.

    I bet if your husband said, “I need you to stop working for a while,” you would spit in his face. However, if you got fired and he threw you out for whining to him about it, you would spit in his face. Do you see how your BS hypocrisy works??

    That’s why the patriarchy is a better system. It gives men and women purpose and focus. And it keeps bitches in line.

  • bamabrasiliera

    LOL! You sound like you have some serious mommy AND daddy issues! Luckily, many of us do not think in extremes like you do. And most educated women with money would prefer to be alone than to be in an EITHER patriarchal “system” OR matriarchal “system” because we CAN.

    You sound like an insecure loser.

  • Telling The Real Truth

    And for many of us men, most women today are a waste of Humanity.

  • Yazzy22

    I am a soft-natured, truly feminine woman who accepts and realizes that men and women need each other like yin-yang, and that we follow different roles in life, but I do not believe in putting total 100% dependency on a man just in case he is some sly sadistic narcissist that is out to prey on women and just use them, and just in case he is I can fend for myself. If I put total 100% dependency on a sadistic asshole like this then I am screwed. He could throw me out the house and deny our children. Women need to have some sort of independence for their own safety. We cant go around playing the damsel in distress role all the time so we can be rescued because there is a damn good chance we would end up needing rescuing from our rescuer.

  • Seriously

    If the modern women think men are clowns, they’re total Idiots all together.

  • Joe

    Simplistic moron