While most Americans were traveling to the beach this weekend thanks to Memorial Day, a holiday meant to commemorate the loss of predominately male soldiers who fought in our grandest wars, the Washington Post takes a messy liquid shit over its remaining male readership in publishing a piece of feminist propaganda by Naomi Wolf. Her thesis is that older women are better than younger women because they are more confident, more stylish, and have better resumes, and that older men who date those younger women are losers who are missing out on true happiness. Take a look at her opening anecdote:
Recently, I was at a party, and a man who, like myself, was in his late 40s, arrived with a woman 20 years younger. It took only a few moments of conversation before the rest of the group realized that the two had very little in common. And yet I did not feel the frisson of envy among the men present, nor did I see a bristle of jealousy from any of the stylish, accomplished women in their 40s. In fact, the mood of both genders was tender, almost pitying. The man may have imagined that he was showing off the youth of his date the way he might show off a new Maserati; but parading her around like an acquisition seemed only to make his friends feel sorry for him.
The party, which I imagine to have been stacked with menopausal women and their beta male hanger-ons looking to be thrown a sexual bone, had only one person worth the attention of the entire group: a man who spurned them all by deciding to fulfill his genetic destiny with a woman who could bear his child, not an “accomplished” woman in her 40s who is sterile and incapable of maternal duty.
Wolf’s jealousy can be spotted a mile away by even Stevie Wonder. There is no reason any woman would give a damn about why some man is dating some girl unless she secretly wanted to exchange places with the selected girl, who in this case was written off solely because of her young age.
This opening salvo sets the tone for an article which argues that non-fertile women, whose bodies have the habit of degrading into the shape of a soda can, are actually the best long-term mates for men. Believe it or not, this is what got published in the fifth most read newspaper in the country.
I look around at the magnetic and dynamic women my own age, I look at my own life, and instead that script seems more like a convenient fiction—designed, as so many aspects of “the beauty myth” are, to make women feel less powerful; in this case, just when their power, magnetism and sexuality are at their height.
Wolf knows what you want in a woman better than you know yourself. Forget about all that sexy, feminine crap I’ve been writing about. At the end of a long day at the job, where you’re working long hours for low pay in a strained economy, what you ache to come home to is a… magnetic woman. Magnetism will put a hot meal on the dining room table, it will take care of your kids, and it will give you orgasms in bed. With the addition of being “dynamic,” construction of our dream woman is now complete. I don’t want a woman with concrete sexual skills and homemaking abilities—I want one who can be described with corporate buzzwords that make me feel like I just came out of a bad job interview.
Since [writing The Beauty Myth], many of the issues I warned about have, indeed, gotten worse. The body size of fashion models and starlets has dropped still further; fashion ads showcase women who look as if they should be hospitalized. The technologies of cosmetic surgery have become so commonplace that there are communities in which women with unreconstructed faces are seen as bucking the norm. Breast surgery is almost universal in pornography, and pornography is almost universal in the sexual coming-of-age of both young women and young men; those images now have greater impact than they did when I wrote the book.
Wolf implies that the average American woman is so stupid and suggestible that she’s absolutely powerless to the evil forces of fashion magazines and pornography. She’s saying that a woman will follow just about whatever you put in front of her while having no ability to think on her own, that watching anal gangbangs on RedTube and PornHub is corrupting her soul and turning her into a mindless zombie consumer. In so many words she’s saying that today’s woman doesn’t have the strength to fulfill her womanly duties.
I completely agree with Wolf that women are not fulfilling their duties. To turn the tide, we must protect women from their environment by placing them in isolation cages away from all forms of marketing or entertainment. While they remain locked in those cages we must teach them real skills that further a household, such as dressing nice, cooking, cleaning, staying fit and trim, and child rearing. We must pass laws that forbid women the exposure to anything that doesn’t help strengthen the family unit. The first thing to be forbidden will be feminist propaganda written by childless women who are in all likelihood closeted lesbians.
Let me demonstrate how hypocritical this old broad is. Her book The Beauty Myth was published by HarperCollins, a company that puts out a never-ending supply of cheesy dieting and self-help books. It’s owned by News Corporation, whose 20th Century Fox studio reinforces more gender stereotypes in a single summer movie season that I will in my entire life. They also publish Vogue Magazine, which last time I checked is a fashion magazine that Wolf suggests is steadfastly destroying women.
A more recent book of hers called The Treehouse is published by Simon & Schuster, who just unleashed Eva Scrivo On Beauty onto the world, a book “packed with information on hair, skin care and makeup techniques.” It’s owned by CBS, broadcaster of the Superbowl, which has accepted millions of dollars from GoDaddy whose commercials feature attractive women showing off gigantic breasts. Wolf specifically singles out such breast enhancement culture as a horrible destructor of a woman’s self-esteem yet she is all too quick to show her ample cleavage at public events. It’s easy for her to criticize women trying to get a respectable chest when she already has massive udders.
I honestly don’t care about those GoDaddy commercials, Vogue Magazine, or any dieting book that fleeces women with dubious health advice, but if you’re going to make it your life mission to criticize cultural forces which you believe are destroying women, and at the same time cash royalty checks from those companies while they ejaculate that crap onto the the faces of American women, what does make you? It makes you a hypocrite and a phony.
She criticizes “beauty products” made by companies that supply profits for the companies that pay her. That would be like me publishing a men’s rights book with the same company that also puts out a gender studies textbook that says the only way to eliminate rape is to eliminate men. I should be rightly denounced for such hypocrisy, yet this woman can stay on her ivory tower and put out silly ideas in mainstream publications without being called out on it.
Wolf doesn’t care about women, she just cares about her bank account, her accomplishments, and her speaking engagements that take her around the country. For any woman to hitch her wagon to Wolf would be like a real conservative stroking the balls of Bill O’Reilly. One has to wonder if they even believe half the things they say.
When I am at a social occasion, the showstoppers are no longer the young beauties in their 20s. Rather, those who draw all the light in the room are the women of great accomplishment and personal charisma—and these are usually women in midlife. (Indeed, at events I have attended recently, cadres of conventionally beautiful young women seem now to be treated almost like wallpaper or like the catering staff.)
Can you imagine going to a party where all the men ignore young beautiful women who can still conceive children while going for old woman rejects whose breasts hang down to their waists without the aid of a bra? Can someone at the Washington Post fact-check this anecdote? Actually there is no need. The reason those “young beauties” aren’t getting attention is because they’re already with a man. Old hags have no choice but to desperately wrangle away the spotlight by being “witty” or “engaging” since they’re so desperate to meet someone—anyone—who will stick around for more than a casual encounter. A young woman does not have to try and does not need a multi-page resume listed with her accomplishments. As long as she’s attractive, she just has to be.
The change in social norms around the issue of women’s aging is immense. There is now an influential and growing demographic of educated, well-off women whose status, sense of self-esteem and sexual cachet rise rather than fall as they head toward midlife. I do not see younger women looking at accomplished women in their 40s with pity or derision: I see them looking ahead with admiration and even envy.
I sure don’t see social norms changing, but then again I don’t go to New Yorker-style social functions where feminist hacks lick each other’s pussies. Wolf offers absolutely no evidence to this “immense” change besides anonymous quotes. She provides no numbers to support the “growing” demographic of menopausal women who can get any man they want. Besides younger studs in their early 20s getting seduced by pathetic cougars who pay their bills, I surely don’t see a new paradigm forming that changes what men have done for hundreds of thousands of years. The day I see men of this country tacking on 20 years to the ideal age of women they currently prefer is the day we have evolved into a new species.
And can someone please tell me what “sexual cachet” is? I’m guessing it’s doublespeak for sexual desperation. We’ve arrived at the juncture where modern feminism has been reduced to single women armed with thesauruses. The movement no longer provides any sort of data, evidence, or even the flimsiest of surveys for their assertions. They’re doing nothing more these days but preaching to the choir of undesirable, lost women.
Many older women no longer see younger women as rivals in the same way. “I have empathy for them,” said one 54-year-old psychologist. “I want to mentor younger women, not compete with them,” remarked another friend, a 48-year-old photographer.
Substitute empathy with jealousy and mentor with sabotage and we have the most accurate quote in the article.
Certainly some men my age still date or marry younger, as our friend at the party sought to do; but in my own circles, at least, it is considered more macho for a man to have an accomplished woman his own age on his arm.
This is the first time I’ve seen a feminist use a reverse-shaming technique where she compliments a behavior that only beta males have been performing. If going for a 45-year-old woman is macho then I will never be macho. When I’m 60 years old, alone, decrepit, and staring at a warty dick whose glory days have long since passed, I will be anti-macho by going to Colombia or Thailand to sleep with 18-year-old prostitutes for less than the price of taking a woman like Wolf to dinner with nothing to gain from it except hearing her deluded opinions and mighty accomplishments. Dating a bloated hag like Wolf would put even the most strapping of men on the fast track to viagra dependency.
When I asked my single male peers why they were dating or having relationships with women their own ages rather than younger women, I heard variants of this: “Today, someone isn’t less cool as she gets older. She is just as cool or cooler. And, if a woman is taking care of herself, there isn’t really a difference sexually between a younger and an older woman – except that the older woman is more comfortable with herself and more sure of herself.”
Those men are single for a reason: they are unsuccessful in dating younger, more desirable women. They have no choice but to date their peers. I know of no society in the world where dating 40 and above is macho, preferred, or pleasurable. Such a society only exists in Wolf’s magnetic brain.
By insinutating that older women are so amazing, she strongly presupposes that younger women are stupid and undesirable. Wolf doesn’t really care about feminism or the female gender, she only cares about older women her own age, specifically herself. Her article is nothing more than a diary entry of a bitter spinster who can’t get a man and is jealous of those women who are outperforming her on the dating market. Wolf secretly hates the beautiful 23-year-old former cheerleader who has gotten the commitment from a handsome jock who wants to take care of her for life, since the ship has long since sailed for her to get anything but a sniveling dweeb who couldn’t fuck a 20-something girl to save his life.
So, at the risk of sounding socially incorrect, I am going to deviate from that script, and I invite all women of a certain age to join me. A great many of us don’t feel particularly wistful or rueful about our earlier physical selves. A great many of us really like where we are.
I like where I am.
In the Five Stages of Grief, denial is the first stage. This is where she’s at. Let me sum up the stages for the life of Naomi Wolf:
Denial: “Being old and ugly is beautiful. I can land any man that I desire because I’m a best-selling author, something that men specifically select for.”
Anger: “I keep getting passed on for younger, more beautiful women. Guys only fuck me once or twice and then dump me via text message. Even my Craigslist hookups are not calling me back. This isn’t fair!”
Bargaining: “Come on just give me two more years. I should be able to trick a decent man into marrying me. I’ll go to the beauty salon, I’ll dye my hair weekly. I’ll even cook real meals without using a microwave. I don’t want to die alone!”
Depression: “Wow I don’t believe this has happened to me. I wasted my entire life teaching women to be strong and independent and all that has gotten me is a life of loneliness and isolation. Maybe I should have been nice to all those decent guys who gave me attention instead of dismissing them outright because they didn’t agree with all my crazy beliefs.”
Acceptance: “Time to buy some cats.”
Here is some more evidence she’s in the denial stage:
Sure, I am startled when I forget to put a color rinse in my hair, and I look into the bathroom mirror and see a sheen of gray. But I look at it with a kind of gentle curiosity: So that is what that will be like!
I am overwhelmed with gratitude for a body that can move and hike and swim, seduce and be seduced, be exhilarated and overjoyed, and all of this in the blessing of being free of serious illness.
She found other ladies who are in denial as well:
A 59-year-old teacher said: “I’d rather look great for who I am than try to look 19. I feel happier in my skin than I did when I was younger.”
The most pathetic part of her article is when she tries to rationalizes her declining beauty:
There are many other delightful surprises about being at this stage on the journey. I don’t miss the brutal sexual harassment that young women receive from men—and I love the far gentler flirtation or civil compliments from cab drivers and park chess players my own age or older. On the street, young women are told: Give me some. Older women hear: I love your eyes. That is not a bad trade.
Did you read that? A benefit to aging is that she gets less sexual attention from the opposite sex, and when she does it’s from the creepy guy who sits in the coffee shop all day with stacks of old newspapers (newsflash to Wolf: he tells every woman she has beautiful eyes). Her argument that becoming invisible and undesirable is a good thing is so convincing that I bet hordes of young women are speeding up the process by dyeing their hair grey and tripling their tanning sessions to induce premature wrinkle formation.
Unfortunately for us, her opinions are not invisible as long as publications like the Washington Post give her a voice to spew nonsense onto the masses that I’m hoping fails to convince anyone but older woman who insist on denying the reality of evolution, sexual selection, and human nature. Men do not prefer older women. Men do not care about a woman’s magnetism. Men do not want an overly-opinionated cow who excels only in talking bullshit instead of maintaining a home. Wolf can continue to write articles and books for corporations that push the very culture she claims to be against, but nothing will change the immutable laws of human nature.
Until women realize that their window of opportunity is short for landing a quality man, they will continue wasting their lives thanks to enablers like Wolf, who would rather die in a house that smells like cat urine than see a woman succeed with men when she has so horribly failed.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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Yea, one of the great ironies of the dating ritual for men is that all the women who wouldn’t give you the time of fucking day at 25, will be begging at 45. Part of me feels bad for aging women. It’s a brutal world out there and when you look the mirror in the eyes and see your face aging and dropping, it has to scare the living shit out of you. No question, that aging is much easier on men than women.
And dude, nobody wants to fucking a 45 year old. Nobody. Given the choice between 27 year old tone blonde and 45 year old toned brunette, it isn’t even a choice.
Awesome. 90 percent of old people only care about old people.
Old hags in denial are beyond sad and pathetic. Nobody wants them outside of sexually frustrated betas hoping to get something, anything, sexual regardless of how disgusting and nasty it is. The vast majority of women over 40, as far as sex appeal is concerned, are of no interest from the physical aspect of relationships unless it is to much older men or younger men unable to attract women their own age.
Women beyond 40 would be best advised to focus on the friendship aspect and accept the reality that they no longer physically appeal to most men like they did when they were younger. Accepting the truth will make their lives less frustrating. And perhaps it will lead to healthy friendships once she drops the pretense that she’s “hot” and getting more attractive with age. No ladies, you don’t, on average, look better than you did twenty years ago as you pack on the pounds, get more wrinkles and have facial and bodily sagging. You just look old and worn out.
You’re right. I want a old, dry, decrepit vagina attached to a self-loathing, jealous-driven, feminist-pandering, black-tie wearing, withering old hag in denial — who secretly wishes she was a man.
It all makes sense now. I’m done with banging beautiful, young women.
Wheres the [sarcasm off] button?
When I hear or read about older women saying that they feel sexier, or are more confident, or any other positive quality in relation to their younger selves, I’m pretty sure the reality is that they are now more sure of their own relative standing in the social order. Young women of varying attractiveness are often unsure of where exactly they fit in relative to each other, and relative to attractive men.
Older women have realized and accepted their social standing, and that removes a lot of the uncertainty that they felt when younger making them more confident, which I think they misread as an increase in their attractiveness. An increase in confidence can make someone more pleasant to talk to, but it certainly doesn’t change their sexual market value.
Good post Roosh.
I appreciate older women. when a younger woman is not available there are plenty of ok looking 30-40 year old women around.
I want to meet guys who actually want to fcuk older women and see what their deal is , do such men exist ? or is it just those that can’t fuck young girls who lie and say they prefer older women.
Excellent post. The effort Ms. Wolf must put in to look like a passable old cow is probably triple the effort a twenty-something cutie expends. You’re correct in pointing out the only people who buy that garbage are brainwashed betas and other old hags intellectualizing the fact they are long gone over the hill. Real men from age 16 to 100 prefer young girls, period. Women following Ms. Wolfs’ advice (sabotage) will wind up in a witch coven with the kitty cats, lying to each other about how incredibly happy they are to be over 45 spinsters who can only get a hard penis of the plastic, battery operated variety.
At 1PM EST there will be a live chat with Wolf at the Post.
I’ve submitted a couple questions.
lol. Roosh, FTW.
that just blew my mind, in a good way. thank you, I needed that.
Look on the bright side. If no one listened to Wolf and her ilk, a lot more people would be happily married with families. There’d be no use for Game.
She’s another Jew in the media spewing hypocritical, toxic nonsense that appeals to the stupid masses and destroys any non-Jew society.
Newspapers, film, TV, magazines, commercials. All the crap in them is done by Jews.
You should post a picture of her.
Thank you Roosh!
This has really made my day!!
quote: Wolf doesn’t care about women, she just cares about her bank account” -Wrong, as a jew change-agent, she cares about corrupting the people of the host country she parasites on, thats Jew job one, money and fame are just gravy.
the feminists almost to a man (woman) are jews, they destroyed the lives of those women and now that they are in their 40s/50s, wolf now soothes them by telling them its ok, and they made the right decisions. A classic jew con job….cause a problem, then offer solutions to the problem you caused, cause psychosis, and then set up shop as psychologist….the jew gets paid twice and reinvents herself. the next phase is to reinvent once again, and get paid a third time. dont you love gods chosen.
like a lot of guys I enjoy a healthy dose of milf porn… my problem with older women is not so much their appearance (assuming we’re talking about the minority of women, probably foreign, who age well)…
it’s more about how their personality has already formed without me, probably through relationships with assholes. maybe the best option would be aw very fit widow, who’d had a good husband who had treated her well and who she’d appreciated, but then she’s always going to be thinking of him in the back of her mind, right?
catch 22 : P
That’s funny. I was at a party over the weekend, too. It was mostly beta males like myself and their cougar partners. A stunningly beautiful 25-year-old woman walked in with her extremely confident and wealthy beau. He had a lantern jaw, an Italian designer suit, and unending charm and charisma. Life of the party. Yet none of us beta males were jealous. We took pity on her. We all felt so sorry for her that she felt the need to show off this attractive man with whom she obviously had nothing in common. Unless of course you count all the wild animal sex they probably have together, and the non-sexual fun of enjoying each other’s company. Really, really sad.
Like I said, we all felt sorry for both of them. Then we went home an masturbated furiously.
Maureen Dowd to the white courtesy phone.
Single women comparison with milk :
18 years old: Fresh off the cow. Awesome taste, the best you’ve ever tasted.
20 years old: Fresh milk, you enjoy a fresh glass.
25 years old: Good, you use it for cooking and in your cereals, doesn’t taste bad.
28 years old: You want to finish it quick before it goes bad.
30 years old: Starts to smell a bit. The taste is not bitter yet.
35 years old: You give it a shot to see if it’s still any good, the bitterness makes you spit it out.
40 years old: You pour it by mistake without knowing. You see the lumps, you flush it out immediately.
45 years old: You open it and immediately gag. You can’t even get the rotten lumps out of the bottle. Completely gross.
This is a generalization of American women. Some fit 30-35 years old foreign women can be decent for casual sex. But foreign girls are usually married by then.
“A stunningly beautiful 25-year-old woman walked in with her extremely confident and wealthy beau. He had a lantern jaw, an Italian designer suit, and unending charm and charisma.”
She was actually 22.
And my Suit was Custom. From London.
Other than those two details, you got it.
great article. thanks a lot.
what a stupid woman..
roosh is to an asian nerd what a pack of maltesers is to a fat woman: a guilty pleasure.
hell i’ll never make it as a badass player but his articles both shock and awe.
this was a great read as i like it when roosh uses his analytical, lawyer-like rebuttal skills for evil not good.
although wolf’s article was easy to smash away you did a good job mr roosh.
entertaining as always.
it’s kind of a bad indictment on society that some of the best writing is coming out of a guy that’s writing a blog focused on helping guys get laid.
i guess in the past roosh would’ve been a machiavelli-like character. helping aristocrats up the social ladder.
now he’s using the combined powers of science and psychology to aid guys understand human relations.
and vagina relations.
Just to add to my earlier sarcastic comment…I have no problem with women of any age feeling confident with who they are and all that. There are some sexy middle aged women out there. But there is no reason to traffic in pretty lies; it’s transparently obvious. Wolf should just say, “I’m getting older, fatter, and more wrinkled, it’s tough to keep up and stay sexy. But I still try because I want to look good and feel good for my age and attract men the way I used to.”
How much do you want to bet the 22-year-old Wolf rode a few 40+ cocks in her day? I’m sure there was at least one community organizer or Carter campaign worker towing the feminist party line who got in her pants. I’d lay dollars to donuts that had Wolf been on the Clinton for Governor campaign bus 25-30 years ago, he’d have told her what a strong and powerful woman she was while yanking her pony tail.
As left-hater, I have a certain admiration for the Clinton/Edwards hypocrti-liar set. Unlike most leftist men, who are beta bitches desperately cloying for any crumbs from the feminist table (Obama/Carter), Clinton-Edwards recognized that leftist women are easy, and have merely learned to spit out any disgusting platitude or political position that will get those birkenstocks in the air.
The amazing thing is the feminist hamster wheel: despite the fact that it is glaringly obvious that Clinton/Edwards only spit the feminist line for sex and power, leftist women will still defend them to the death/sleep with them, even when the lies are so abjectedly obvious that OJ Simpson would blush.
nguyenimproved, don’t sell yourself short; you can, too, change to become alpha over time. Too many asian guys resign themselves to chump status. You’re better than that.
She answered one of my questions in the chat:
Q: Your previous publishers have included HarperCollins and Simon & Schuster, owned respectively by News Corporation and CBS, which receive millions in advertising from “beauty product” companies. News Corp also puts out Vogue, a fashion magazine which reinforces female stereotypes that you criticize. How do you reconcile the fact that you receive money from the same cultural forces which you claim is harming women?
A. I think it is not good for our democracy that most newspapers and magazines are now owned by three or four megacorporations. But I do believe that women — and writers — should be paid for their work — especially single moms like me :) and I believe in publishing in as mainstream a set of venues as possible because that is where real change lies. I am very happy to take Rupert Murdoch’s money — I also take George Soros’ — to subsidize my radical message of social equality. I don’t think marginaliing myself to the two outlets that have no corporate ownership would be much of a victory.
Translation: Money comes first. My message is second.
If she had any character she would self-publish and suffer for her ideas. But then again American feminists are not big on character.
You know a classic trait of a sociopath is the ability to endlessly rationalize their point of view or behavior. LOL
All women, not just feminisits, are incapable of suffering for an idea.
Hahaha! Excellent work again Roosh. You’ve exposed Ms. Wolf as a typical hypocrite. Unfortunately, she will never run out of brainwashed drones buying her special brand of nonsense.
Interesting read. Re: #6 there’s nothing wrong with tapping some older ass to change it up – just don’t plan on sticking around too long but don’t worry their lifetime of disappointment with men makes your inevitable exit expected. Some of my more memorable encounters are with the cougar crowd. You ever watch the movie Spread?
You’ll enjoy the raw dog and no need to worry about pulling out or a phone call nine months later. Have your fun and experiment with multiple types of women.
great post, roosh. @ 12 i feel the same
I disagree that she should self publish. If someone offers her money to print her opinions (however lame), she’s a fool not to take it and use the megaphone. Editorial and Advertising decisions are (in theory) supposed to be separate. If I were published by NewsCorp tomorrow, I’m sure there are plenty of advertisements in its vast media empire that wouldn’t square with my opinions, either. I’d still sleep fine at night.
Just my $.02, love the blog, enjoy your travels.
Yes…overall, Naomie Wolf’s message is a defense of herself and women like her. Everyone gets older, and most of us learn how to deal. Men do, on average, age “better” than men (gray and wrinkles on men is distinguished, while the same on a woman is just…old and raggedy).
I will say this though…women that have always taken decent care of themselves still look good in their 40′s, regardless of some gray or wrinkles (since most woman color their hair anyway, women only have gray when they make a conscious choice to stop coloring, or they have so much gray that it’s stupid to try). I’m in my 40′s, and I love women in the late 30′s to mid-40′s range that are still in decent shape. And it’s mostly American culture where all things young are considered preferable to older. The phenomenon of older man/younger woman is generally wealthy men. Average joes don’t have that option on the table most of the time. It isn’t “macho” for a man to be with a woman his own age – MOST men are with women around their own age. It’s a pipe dream for most men to trade her in for a 20-something.
I think it’s also foolish posturing to state that older women have shed insecurities. That’s nonsense. Women in general are insecure about their bodies. They’re just insecure about different things depending on what stage of life they’re in. The last 3 women I’ve fucked were 47, 44 and 43. The 47 year old has a tight, petite body, but she was still insecure about her breasts (the first time we fucked she would take her top off). The 43 year old thought she was fat (she was thick, but then while we were on webcam one night she’s eating a huge bowl of ice cream at midnight, and then moaning about needing to lose weight), then immediately afterwards asked, “am I going to see you again?” Ridiculous. Only the 44 year old was secure in her body and the situation. She was point blank – “I’m coming off a divorce, I’m attracted to you and want to fuck you. There will be no drama.” And there wasn’t, and her body was tight and curvy because she kept active and ate right. None of them, however, where wrinkled and sagging.
As younger men, I perfectly understand why a woman in Wolf’s demographic would not be appealing. At the same time, Wolf seems to paint everyone in her demographic as being badly deteriorated. Again, in American culture women let themselves go like that, then demand men still desire them. They’ll only put in a little effort after a man breaks up with them (they’ll go on a diet and run to the gym…for about a week),so they can try to snag another one, but don’t think to try to maintain themselves for the man they’re with.
“The 47 year old has a tight, petite body, but she was still insecure about her breasts (the first time we fucked she would take her top off).”
I meant she WOULDN’T take her top off.
Naomi Wolf herself is an attractive woman. Definitely smashable. In her circles, a man around her age might want to be with her because of her accomplishments, because in her circles she would be a trophy. But most men wouldn’t care about that. They only care about if you’re good looking enough to get their dick hard, and if they can stand to be around you most of the time. Women STILL don’t understand this.
I appreciated when Naomi Wolf spoke out against the ever expanding fascist police state. But this is just ridiculous.
“I think it is not good for our democracy that most newspapers and magazines are now owned by three or four megacorporations.”
But she is supporting that by publishing with them.
“I believe in publishing in as mainstream a set of venues as possible because that is where real change lies.”
Wrong. Real change lies in the people waking up and no longer buying or reading the propaganda outlets of the hypercorrupt establishment like WashPost.
“I am very happy to take Rupert Murdoch’s money — I also take George Soros’”
Wow. Two of the worst and most corrupt establishment hacks who are directly tied to the banking oligarchs and war racketeers ass raping the nation and – in the end – herself. Congratulations.
“to subsidize my radical message of social equality.”
Up your ass the kind of “social equality” you’re talking about, Naomi.
“But then again American feminists are not big on character.”
Limousine liberals generally aren’t.
“Naomi Wolf herself is an attractive woman”
You have completely discredited yourself, as you are obviously not a desired man. Your opinion is thus as irrelevant as the old hag’s.
Men learning female psychology go through the same five stages.
Denial: Women are all wonderful.
Anger: Women are all bitches.
Bargaining: Women are all bitches except for that one special girl I just need to find.
Depression: Women are all bitches, so I’m not going to bother with them.
Acceptance: Women are women, I might as well just game them into sex without developing an emotional attachment while my prostate still works.
She could have said, “Older women can be more attractive if/when they’ve learned to treat men better, be less flakey, more passionate in bed, all in all more grateful, less stuck up and fake.”
That I might have bought, assuming they take care of their appearance. Yeah I don’t have any particular need for a woman who is “dynamic” : P
She bit on one of my troll questions:
Q. Your article reveals a lot of positive benefits to aging, like becoming more magnetic and dynamic. What are some of the negative effects that single women are to encounter as they enter menopause, specifically when it comes to finding a long-term mate?
A. I don’t know the answer to this. I just think that the notion that older “women are desperate” is a cultural myth — certainly at the very end of the age curve there are fewer men, but I have never seen data that actually confirms that women in their fifties are more unhappy about being alone or are more alone than men their age….in fact the terrible data on illness, depression etc tends to skew around single older men. (not that that is good!)
She can’t describe one negative feature of aging, yet she’s right in the middle of its horrifying effects. I guess in Wolf’s world no one dies. What a disingenuous hack.
She’s not the worst of the bunch.
I get this shit all the time, though: My SO is 10 years younger than me. My sister, my age, conservative and with 2 kids, rags on me all the time about how my SO is just another in a long list of frivolous conquests, wondering when I’ll get bored and ditch her for another model.
The problem is: My SO is younger than she is, hotter than my sister ever was, and I’m no great shakes (my brother got the Alpha looks and the 6’2″), and smarter than my sister, too – if horribly vain.
And she’s also been around now for a year. And she’s living with me. So the griping has become sharper and more judgmental – but just of me.
Her constant sniping is no longer public – she does it only in front of me.
I plan to knock up and keep this girl. Meanwhile, my sister rebelled by marrying a black guy who, while mild-mannered, tractable and loyal, is also not the Alpha she imagined him to be: He’s docile, pleasant guy who turned out to be everything my parents wanted (if not white and catholic).
So I pointed out: Call me a bastard, a traditional shit, a misogynist, and a player – but I scored harder than she did, though I haven’t bred yet.
Now, the only thing she has on me in the family is the fact that she has two kids, my brother 4 (though he doesn’t hold it over me: He’s my brother; my sister is a bitch about it: It appears to be her version of Major Accomplishment).
If I actually get married again, to a smart woman who’s hot and much younger than me, it’ll say “fuck your stupid delusions” to my sister.
I’d almost do it just for that.
Conservative women can be bigger bitches than liberal fembots.
What do women and dog shit have in common? The older they get, the easier they are to pick up!
Wolf is a self-parody. Her articles and books are matronly lullabies for delusional hags and fugs and, more importantly, for herself. Yep, it’s that aging woman magnetism and dynamism that men really chub for. That’s the ticket. Wolf’s reply that “older women are desperate is a cultural myth” is one of those slippery evasions that feminists like her are known to engage in. Desperation of the sort that occupies the mind is for late 20s-early 30s women who still have skin in the game but are getting nervous they won’t meet and marry the alpha male of their dreams before all their friends do. In contrast, older broads who are about to careen into the wall can claim to feel less desperate because they’ve given up any hope of meeting a sexy man. Dropping out and finding inner peace out of necessity is not the same as being just as attractive to men at forty as you were when you were twenty.
“Dropping out and finding inner peace” – sums it up.
If men were into older women, mainstream porn and the dating world would reflect this.
Reality hurts much.
The one time I was with a 17 – year old when I was over the age of 20 (I was 28), while I thought she was 23, my thoughts were this:
This is one hot chick.
I didn’t put it down to age at the time. But thinking back, she was tight, hot and that had likely lots to do with age.
At almost 40, I find 25-30 is still fine.
But I chub pretty hard when I see a hot 20 year-old. What guy won’t?
Desperation among the 40-plus set is not a myth. Hell, 30-something singles are desperate too. Most single women, regardless of age, have a touch of desperation to them, because no matter how “independent” a woman claims to be, there’s a hole in her life if there isn’t a man that’s fucking her in her life. Or at least a guy that WANTS to fuck her, but she’s playing games. Some may resign themselves to singledom, but they’re not happy there. Because Wolf is somewhat famous and decent looking, she MIGHT have options that the average woman of her age doesn’t. But I’m sure dudes aren’t competing to get at her either.
She reminds me of delusional fatties like the one that hit me up on this social site I’m on. She dropped an anonymous question on my page (though I know who it was):
“BBW are just as beautiful as a smaller woman, why do men choose to not show a BBW real Love????”
NO…no they aren’t! I gave her the whole “beauty is subjective” bit, and told her to focus on guys that ARE attracted to her, instead of guys that are, blah, blah. There are dating sites for BBWs, so she should be on one of those, instead of going around trying to convince EVERYONE (and herself) that her being fat doesn’t matter, and that’s she’s as beautiful as any other woman.
I asked my GF what she thought of dating a much older guy, maybe 15-20 years older. Interestingly, she had no problem with this. She said it was natural. In her opinion, it totally depends on the guy.
She says it comes from her liberal views on sex and relationships, but I suspect it’s her background: Daddy issues (“Daddy had trouble but he was the best man ever, I wish he had more time for me”) and her cultural background (European internationalist but also Persian: Older man younger women pairings are encouraged; for her, at least not frowned on; and they look for hard alphas as a rule: Persian guys tend to be macho in the extreme. She says she finds this unattractive, but when I met her, all the guys around her were Persian/Arab Christian/Maltese asshole types with money. I blew her mind: She never imagined herself with a white, typically conservative American).
But it means this: When I gamed her, she reacted immediately to hard game and controlled machismo. Mixed with vulnerability and humility, it still makes her swoon.
Point: I suspect the fact that I’m older makes a difference. She wants to be led by a competent male. The kicker was forcing her through mild injunction and competent organization to finish her master’s thesis. It glued her to me.
A guy 20 years older could have done that, too, and she’d be just as glued.
I suspect the right 30 year-old could have done it to her, as well.
Again, the age thing wasn’t a big factor.
Pushing the right buttons was.
What is it with Catholic women in America, Gorbachev?
Where do they get this feminist shit?
By that I mean white Catholic. I haven’t had any problem with Latin Catholic ones.
I have no idea. My sister is very conservative (though married to a black guy); not some raging feminist cunt.
But she is, for all that, a raging feminist cunt in a particularly religious/conservative way. Completely ball-breaking.
It’s why I don’t have much respect for nebbish “conservative” guys who let their women treat them like shit. Their talk is all trash talk. They’ve had their balls cut off.
You’d think the notion of a good Catholic woman would persist, but that’s not the case in America anymore. Irish American, Italian American, all the same. It’s the “American” bit that fucks them up. I have to go to the main land to trace any bit of goodness that originated.
Going for degrees up and up, no cooking, no act of kindness. They feel cold.
Five stars Roosh.
epic post is epic
There definitely are attractive guys who could have their pick of younger women, but who prefer older women.
Ashton Kuchner is one well-known example.
They are a minority, but they definitely exist.
I would have to bump Mig Mack’s scale by +2 in terms of age. I’ve noticed that many 18 year olds still have not “grown” into their body and might be lacking in the T & A department. Furthermore, I love athletic women (Jessica Biel is a good example) and most 18 year olds still don’t have the toned look that I desire.
Single women comparison with milk :
18>20 years old: Fresh off the cow. Awesome taste, the best you’ve ever tasted.
20>22 years old: Fresh milk, you enjoy a fresh glass.
25>27 years old: Good, you use it for cooking and in your cereals, doesn’t taste bad.
28 years old: You want to finish it quick before it goes bad.
30 years old: Starts to smell a bit. The taste is not bitter yet.
35 years old: You give it a shot to see if it’s still any good, the bitterness makes you spit it out.
40 years old: You pour it by mistake without knowing. You see the lumps, you flush it out immediately.
45 years old: You open it and immediately gag. You can’t even get the rotten lumps out of the bottle. Completely gross.
This is a generalization of American women. Some fit 30-35 years old foreign women can be decent for casual sex. But foreign girls are usually married by then.
Sounds like a case of Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2009/07/sailers-law-of-female-journalism.html
Acceptance: “Time to buy some cats.”
I literally laughed out loud when I read this, Roosh.
“The party, which I imagine to have been stacked with menopausal women and their beta male hanger-ons looking to be thrown a sexual bone, had only one person worth the attention of the entire group”
Yeah Roosh I know what you mean its like all the type of beta males you see around Hillary Clinton on a regular basis. Not a alpha in site.
“When I’m 60 years old, alone, decrepit, and staring at a warty dick whose glory days have long since passed, I will be anti-macho by going to Colombia or Thailand to sleep with 18-year-old prostitutes for less than the price of taking a woman like Wolf to dinner”
Roosh you must be reading my long term goals again, I’ve thought about this for years and I be damned to be 55 and older and be relegated to a life of 35+ year old women the rest of my life thats just depressing. Phillippines in 20 years here I come.
Until women realize that their window of opportunity is short for landing a quality man, they will continue wasting their lives thanks to enablers like Wolf
EVERY culture in the world would have parents get quite worried if their daughter is not married by the age of 27 or so.
27. None of this 33-34 (let alone older) bullshit.
Feminism has knocked back female development by centuries. The devolution is total.
only one thing is missing in this post….you typically end posts like this one with some absurdly hilarious smiley…this one needs one
Wow…how weak must the talent have been in this school if “she” was elected homecoming queen?
Oops…I meant Prom Queen, but still…
Devastating and hilarious. Well done!
Naomi Wolf belongs to the Maureen Dowd school of feminism.
She’s shocked that despite her “accomplishments”, the alpha males she really wants are whole disinterested.
Alphas of her group are banging young hotties. Not pudgy menopausal women. She facing reality that her accomplishments mean nothing to the men she wants.
And yes, she is the typical NYC liberal Jew social engineer who is happy to make millions while destroying the social fabric of society and detroying women’s lives.
Judaism is a religion of rules NOT inner morality. And, secular judaism (which she likely is) it totally unrestrained psuedo-religion. That is why she can take money from both Murdoch and Soros (both members of the tribe too) and not blink.
She’s disgusting. The worse America and woman kind have to offer. A wolf in sheep’s clothing.
ROFL, loved your analysis bro. Keep it up :-)
…but in my own circles, at least, it is considered more macho for a man to have an accomplished woman his own age on his arm.
How fucking perfect an example is that of female projection?
Women might well choose their mates based on what their peers think, as the little dears are oh-so-sensitive to the mood of the herd. Men will take what they want, and their “circle” be damned.
To a first approximation, of course.
Wolf has written extensively on political topics as well. I never even knew until now that she is on the radical feminist tip. The funny thing is, her and Roosh would probably agree on a lot if they just stuck to political matters and avoided gender.
Murdoch is not Jewish, although he acts like it.
Observant Jews tend to marry young; have a lot of children; and stay together.
By the way, I agree that if a 40-year old man has a choice between an accomplished 40 year old girlfriend and a hot 20 year old girlfriend, he will take option 2 about 99% of the time.
This is evidenced by the fact that men who are in a position to choose, choose youth. You never hear stories about some rich guy divorcing his 50 year old wife and marrying a different girl who is also 50 years old. Instead, he marries a girl who is 20-something.
If the “magnetism” hypothesis were correct, you would expect this scenario to happen all the time. i.e. a man gets married young to a girl who is relatively unaccomplished; he becomes successful; and he leaves her for a 40-something girl who is “accomplished,” just like Wolf.
Of course this never happens, except in Wolf’s fantasies.
“Naomi Wolf herself is an attractive woman”…after 6 months alone at sea and the consumption of at least 7 shots of tequila.
There, I fixed it.
For those who don’t know yet:
Sailer’s Law of Female Journalism: The most heartfelt articles by female journalists tend to be demands that social values be overturned in order that, Come the Revolution, the journalist herself will be considered hotter-looking.
Guys I hate to be the anti -semit on here but 13 has a point .and at the end of the day.She just another Yenta cunt trying to sell here leftist feminazi views to America.
Wait,that show already exists.Its called
Roosh, spot on with your critique of the ludicrous delusions of a woman fighting desperately against her inevitable slide into spinsterhood. (Spinster: a word that we need to revive; the perfect shaming label for every 40+yo unmarried woman who will never find a committed man.)
But I think attacking her publishers was a cheap shot; who cares what your publisher also publishes if there’s a hefty check involved. If Harper-Collins (or whoever) offered you a five-million advance to publish Bang we both know you’d take it, no matter what dreck they publish, and no one here could fault you for it. Large corporations are amoral entities.
But Wolf’s whole article (a.k.a. “Sisterhood of the decaying spinsters” was really just a thinly veiled desperate call to rally other lonely hagbags together who are willing to share in her delusion and together salve the loneliness of her inevitable decline into a lonely decrepitude bereft of men. Even other women have abandoned her.
Aging women use a self-satisfied smug superiority toward younger women AND men to prop up their crumbling egos against the burning jealousy they feel that all the men they desire are busy in turn chasing the women THEY desire. Like most feminist screeds, what sounds like a call to celebrate the power of women really masks the frustration of losing out on the sex battlefield to hotter and younger women.
Don’t worry Roosh, no one takes this crap seriously except old women who miss the good old days when they could turn down five guys in row who today wouldn’t even give her a second look.
Hilarious… great rant. Thanks for making me laugh.
i think he meant to say:
“naomi wolf is an attractive man”.
it’d be great to see roosh on cnn or some hard news channels for his opposing points of view.
the sharp insults he could dish out would be great television. he manages to keep a straight face while doling out lines like “time to get cats” rather well.
btw call me a polanski but how young is too young.
i think 16-17 is the peak age for females but this is the wrong side of the law in most countries and one can be considered a ‘paedophile’ in the eyes of the law even though biologically they are sexually developed.
in female sports 16-22 is the best age for success i believe. (based on my personally made-up stats)
the “hottest” chicks (though roosh hates that word) at the moment in the media are all kinda young: emma watson, miley cyrus, the blonde bitch from gossip girl.
megan from transformers 1 and 2 is obviously over the (fox)hill.
Good things about sex with women over 40?
They don’t tell.
They don’t swell.
They’re grateful as hell.
There is no point in trying to say otherwise. These are my favorite rooshv posts.
This woman is totally disingenuous, if not delusional.
Feminism made (some) sense at the time it first gained ground in this country — women were exploited economically to an almost unfathomable degree.
But like many movements that started as progressive/forward thinking, the feminist school of thought has lost its essential reason for being and is now downright reactionary. It also is light on actual facts or statistics, since feminism in its current form is designed to keep the royalty checks and TV appearances coming for chicks like Wolf, rather than actually protect women from gender-based socioeconomic inequality.
Related: even though women bitch about unequal pay, the workplace is *effectively* equal in 2011 — look at powerful CEOs like Meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina, etc — in fact one could argue women have an advantage in the workplace… I have been sexually harassed by female superiors before, but nothing a guy can do about it. Tell a female co-worker she’s wearing a nice shirt and you can kiss your job goodbye.
The haughty do but build castle walls behind which they try to hide their doubts and fears . — Bene Gesserit – Frank Herbert
Speaking of washed up menopausal and post-menopausal women. Here’s a party going on in my city this month :http://www.yelp.com/events/atlanta-1st-annual-summer-cougar-masquerade-ball
Get this, it’s a “masquerade” party, oh lord.
And in other news…
Feminism *is* delusion. That’s all it is, all it ever was.
Wolf is just starting to show it a little more, now that she’s getting old.
She is better seen, not heard.
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Several parts made me laugh out loud at the cafe I was at (‘Predator’ game made me crack up).
Definitely one of the best travel memoirs I’ve ever read. Puts bland old Bill Bryson to shame.
She’s not just delusional but a hypocrite and a liar too. If you’ve seen the Ali G video, notice when he says if you had to sell sex you’d be really successful and how she replies to that – “thanks, but I’m almost 40″! No takers for for “charming, stylish” 40 year olds just 4 years ago?
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Break down social norms to break down western society. Its been ongoing for decades now. Feminism has been a key component.
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“Her argument that becoming invisible and undesirable is a good thing is so convincing that I bet hordes of young women are speeding up the process by dyeing their hair grey and tripling their tanning sessions to induce premature wrinkle formation.”
This is my favorite part AHHAHA, a loughed out loud…
Seriously, if women really wanted less attention, they’d be investing time to oldify themselves, and they don’t.
Cab drivers and chess players
I agree the article is full of crap, but I don’t get the hatred and scorn you (and other manosphere writers) show for older women. Don’t you have mothers? Aunts? Don’t any of them have interesting, fulfilling lives? I fully agree women’s sex appeal is a time-limited commodity, and older women competing with younger women to be “sexy” is a fool’s errand. But any woman whose only attribute is “sexy” wasn’t worth much to begin with. You’re supposed to use your youthful sex appeal to attract a good man. Then you can devote the rest of your life to raising children, keeping a good home, mentoring younger women, pursuing hobbies etc. I look around at the older women in my life (the ones I do admire and look up to) and that’s what they’re all doing. The lonely, desperate cougars and deluded cat ladies are a small enough percentage of the demographic. I don’t get it.
You say you don’t get the disdain men show for older women? And yet you blithely write, “You’re supposed to use your youthful sex appeal to attract a good man. Then you can devote the rest of your life to raising children, keeping a good home, mentoring younger women, pursuing hobbies etc.” Did you catch it? No, you didn’t. Not once in that list of priorities did you mention caring for the “good man” that has devoted his life to providing her with children, a home, and time and money to pursue hobbies. You don’t even mention him, or his needs or wants. He’s barely even an afterthought, barely worthy of the disdain women generally show men, and this is the attitude men are rebelling at. Men don’t like being treated like a disposable fashion accessory or ATM machine any more than women like being treated as a sex object.
But since this is the attitude of most “modern” women who no longer “need” a man to care for, women cease to hold any value to today’s man beyond her sexual appeal. When her body goes there’s nothing appealing left. Men don’t value intellect, accomplishments, or life experience when they’re not valued as men- and any woman who thinks otherwise (i.e. Naomi Wolf) is indeed delusional.
When a woman like Naomi Wolf, who has spent her life creating this soul-killing situation, finally gets her comeuppance in middle age then men jeer at her feeble protestations that we should like her for her experience, maturity and accomplishments.
So long as women only want men for what they can do for them, they can expect the same treatment in kind.
“But she is, for all that, a raging feminist cunt in a particularly religious/conservative way. Completely ball-breaking.”
Gorbachev I’ve seen you on Roissy before. You need to stop your continuous mantra and misinterpretation of conservatives. It isn’t my problem that you are a raging liberal in a gamer/MRA way and perhaps dislike traditional conservatives but calling libertarians, social liberals or capitalists whom are not conservative “conservative” is pretty irritating and quite frankly a lie.
You’re an “alpha player” yes I know and because of that you prefer sluts or promiscuous women nevertheless stop your misinterpretations and confusion concerning conservatives.
Yo, Anonymous Reader,
When did I call myself an alpha player or a slut trolling or promiscuous woman hitting liberal?
Just because I tapped some ass? Please. That just says I like women.
There’s a brand of conservatism in the Catholic church and in other churches that utterly emasculates men and empowers women: they’re just as cunty as liberal women who hate men. Half of religion is just a power trip by women, who need tighter and harder game than even the most whorish bar girl.
I have no confusion regarding conservatives. My family is practically Opus Dei. My sister is so Catholic her shit I’m amazed she sit in the same room with non-Catholics. When I married a Jew she never let me forget it. Even my mother came around and regretted the divorce.
My sister is typical of the religious-conservative femcunts that populate the church.
I have immense sympathy for my brother in law.
It’s pretty obvious that most of the people commenting here are sad, lonely gits whose age is immaterial because their embittered little lives are so limited and deprived of sex that involves an actual woman (of any age).
I am a woman who did not want to wait to get married. I did get engaged when I was 23 and married at 24. I did not want to play the field forever and thought that my 20′s were the best time to attract a good man. Now that we have been married 20 years am I now disgusting? I try to stay healthy and fit. Do you men hate all women in their 40′s or just certain kinds of women in their 40′s. Of course I am not looking for a spouse anymore, I want my marriage to continue and be one of those couples that celebrates their 50th anniversary. It is about more than looks. And newsflash, men also go through the aging process. Thanks for your opinion on how sick women of a certain age make you.
I am a woman not so young anymore, but I laughed at some of your article, but some was so mean spirited, and then the rotten things about older women so many commenters jumped in with, reminded me of hitler and that the holocaust, only with women.
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Wow! I can’t believe all the nasty disgusting things said about women that are 30+. I didn’t read all of the comments, and not sure how I stumbled on this… but I am horrified. I have no clue who Naomi Wolf is but I have to find out! Obviously she has said things to piss off all you hateful men. Why the hate?
I am a 41 year old woman. How dare you assholes refer to all women in my age group as unattractive old hags!!! Are you serious? My female friends are between the ages of 38-45 & most look amazing, and blow away their husbands and boyfriends or current dating partners. They are good looking, successful, own real estate, have awesome personalities and are genuinely fun to be around. None of them are miserable washed up spinsters, lol. Myself? Definately attractive, and thanks to a baby face and good genes… could EASILY pass for 30, perhaps even younger. I am very happy and successful. I purchased 3 single family homes on my own. I run a thriving small business. I ride a motorcycle and jetski. I enjoy sports… yes, the Red Sox, Pats, Bruins and Celtics are #1. I enjoy all kinds of wild adventurous activities. I take care of myself… flawless skin with not a single wrinkle, healthy hair ( a full head of hair! ),
great teeth, a firm 36D (yes, firm!!!). Is my body as hot as a 20 year old’s? Hell, no. Is my body as hot as it was when I was 20? Nope. But it’s not realistic for people to think men and women 30+ (and certainly 40+) should have bodies of college “kids”. Not realistic. But I do see lots and lots of women my age that look dynamite! I should point out that I am NOT a feminist, dike, or man hater. I have a great boyfriend, soon to be husband. He’s 2 years older and after reading these demented comments, I appreciate him even more!
Honestly, I think women age better. There are sexy hot guys out there that are 40+ but most are… hmmmmmm…
NOT! So you men are delusional. Even my boyfriend says that men his age are “out to lunch”. Seriously… I see too many 40+ year old men that are balding (and do not shave) and have that foolish little ring of hair around his pathetic head, are fat but in a very gross way with a big beer bellies and skiny scrawny legs (disturbing!), hairy bodies (nasty!), hairy nostrils and ears, wrinkled faces that make them look 10 years older, rotten teeth, etc. ( the list goes on and on ).
Plenty of sexy, classy, older women that cool, fun, successful, smart and way better in bed than ANY 20 year old, period! As far guys… not too many hotties that are 40+. Thank god I found one. Who the hell came up with the idea that man age better than women. That is laughable!
Must have been a fat, smelly, hairy balding 50 year old male moron flipping burgers at BK and living in his parents’ basement that came up with this. No other logical explanation…
Lastly, you men that are 40+ CANNOT get hot 20 year olds. You are delusional. Quit the drugs! There are always exceptions. If you are a rare find (super handsome) then there may be a slight chance to hook up with a “girl”. If you have $$$$$ you may also have a chance. The young girls love the gifts, fancy resturaunts, luxury cars, vacations, etc. But guess what? She doesn’t care about you, period. She jokes about you to her silly little friends, and bangs the hot 24 year old atheletes in grad school. Please stop being delusional. Most young “girls” think men over 35 or 40, are creepy old dudes. And 45+ is super creepy grandpa old dudes.
I am sick and tired of women getting bashed by scumbags like those posting these classless comments. I’ll bet most are just in crappy marriages/relationships or are ALONE and will be for the rest of their miserable lives. Older women are awesome and mature real men know this. There are amazing 40+ year old guys out there that acknowledge a pretty young body but do not act on it because they are NORMAL AND SENSIBLE!!! And not delusional. Us women appreciate a 23 year old hot stud with a hard body, smooth skin, full head of hair and great teeth but unlike many delusional men, we do not chase them like freaks. Fantasy? Maybe. Actually, yes. Maybe even a smile to a hottie. But that’s about it. Oh yeah… some guys says women like older men. Duh! But let me shed some light into those thick skulls beneath those ugly bald heads. Women like men a few years older not 15, 20 or 25 years older. Why? Men are not as mature as women. A 15 year old wants an 18 year old. A 20 year old wants a 27 year old. A 25 year old wants a 33 year old. So NO… a 20 year old does NOT want a 40 year old. Got it? Until you do, you will be floating around in your own little Peter Pan World alone and dateless with your hand as your best friend. Have a good life.
Melissa, what are you so angry about?
B. Larsen, try reading her comment.
But really Melissa; tell us how you really feel. Post strike a nerve? haha
Hey Melissa. Fact: Women’s skin ages more rapidly than mens. Seriously! Google it. It’s a scientific fact.
40 and still attractive? Assuming this is true, you and your friends are statistical outliers. The Typical American Woman is as fat as the queen of sea cows, with a heapin’ helpin’ of bitchiness and entitlement to complete the unholy triumvirate. Fuck dealing with that.
You’re right – balding, beer-gutted 40 year old guys can’t bang 20 year old hotties and don’t deserve to. 40 year old guys with game and resources can. I’ve seen it happen, that’s why I plan on maintaining a six pack until I’m a Jack LaLanne geezer.
HA HA HA! I love Melissa’s comments. Everything she says is so true. I know the truth hurts though. Poor washed up delusional old dudes. Too funny…
I know many hot girls in their 20′s who date and prefer older men. I hope when I get to my 40′s I am lucky enough to be able still date that kind of woman, but the idea that it is delusional is completely ridiculous. Where exactly do you live where you DON’T see at least one hot 20 year old dating a man in his 40′s EVERY SINGLE DAY.
“Honestly, I think women age better. There are sexy hot guys out there that are 40+ but most are… hmmmmmm…”
that is true on 2 conditions
1- women works out and eats well
2- women has NOT children.
I have very very rarely seen a 40+ women with kids looking somewhat attractive…please give me a break melissa.
No woman over the age of 30 can compete with a hot 20 year old. This chick is the definition of delusional. This just in owning property or your accomplishments doesn’t matter to men, just your looks and youth and sweetness – which you clearly don’t have, at least two of those.
You would think by age 40 women would outgrow the whole “women are more mature than men” bullshit.
Here we go again a female listing off her accomplishments, still not realizing that all of that shit doesnt make the cock stand strong. Delusional as usual.
In regards to melissa’s comment, men, at least from what I observe, tend to age better if they do the bare minimum to keep in shape. Perfect examples: Kobe bryant, george clooney, patrick dempsey, etc. If you compare pictures off a young Mr.Dempsey and an older one you can see that their jawline, as well as faces, have become more rigid and defined.
Well… I am very amused by the wack jobs angered by my very truthful comments. Someone asks where do I live that I do not witness at least one hot young 20 yr old girl dating a 40+ year old guy every day. MORON… I said that the Sox, Pats, Bruins and Celts are the best teams ( perhaps another brutal truth ) so where the hell do you think I live? Texas maybe?? Maybe that young chic with the older guy is her Dad. Or maybe the ones you see with older dudes are… blind? Then someone says that women over the age of 30 can’t compete with a hot 20 yr old. WTF? I never said anything about competing. Older people 30, 35, 40 & up cannot compete with younger people on a physical level, and this applies to both genders. I just simply pointed out that many women over the age of 30 & even 40 somethings look amazing. The same brain-dead person says that guys only care about looks, youth, and sweetness. Your kidding me… sweetness? Enough with the nonsense. If it is true that men only care about those things, that is truly pathetic. Nothing else matters? She can be brainless? She can be a lousy person, lousy partner, lousy sibling, lousy daughter, lousy friend with no personality, no sense of humor, no interesting hobbies or interests, no ambitions, frigid in the bedroom, uneducated, unemployed, boring and dull, no direction, not contributing to society at all, etc. etc. etc. As long as she is young, hot, and sweet. Wow, that’s so insightful. I am crazy to think that there’s a lot more to women ( and men ) then just the outer shell. Crazy idea… Seriously though, the men using filthy comments on here & the ones pissed off at me are likely just delusional average or below average looking older dudes that can’t get pretty women their own age ( they are unavailable or if available are busy with careers, hobbies, travel, etc. ). So they “attempt” to hook up with a 21 yr old hottie by hanging out at the bars, waiting for the girlies to get so drunk they can barely stand up. Hell, in this drunken daze, she’d walk off with the Frankenstein! Way to go!! Creepy, disgusting images come into my mind. Do any of you fruit cakes have young daughters? Gross. Do you start checking out their friends when they are 16? 15?? 14??? You know… many younger teens look mature body-wise. You pervs probably get excited checking out little girls too. Shame on you. Demented fucks.
Guys aren’t physically attracted to a girls brains, it can help in a relationship, but sex wise – who gives a fuck?
Who said anything about competing? News to delusional woman… You are conpeting with 20 year olds. You don’t see 40 year old men with 20 year old wonen because you’re delusional and only see what you want. Many many Many young women are attracted to older men… Everyone knows this except you… What color is the sky in your Neighbourhood in Boston?
I slept with my 20 years old daughters gf from college last year once, when my daughter invited her to stay with us during break,why,because I was attracted to her friends young tight upright titties,and tight pink pussy ,aswell as,her non-existent cuntiness that only an older women would have an abundance of along with a zoo of cats, wrinkled and shredded labia+tits you could play tether ball with.
Melissa do you have a link to a picture of yourself? Don’t just tell us how attractive you are, let us judge for ourselves.
To the guy who banged his daughter’s friend… Congrats,
you’re the man. You deserve a medal. Are you sure it wasn’t a dream? Or maybe it’s a fabricated story altogether? Or perhaps you slipped her a date rape drug?Hmmmmmm, maybe she passed out downing a few shots?Maybe she was desparate? Not sure. But if it is true, not impressive. Very sad actually. Your sagging balls and small limp penis is likely unattractive. So please don’t be a dickhead describing female body parts. That is disrespectful to all women, period. I’m not a cat person, my chest is rather large and quite firm, and things look pretty damn good down below too. I think you delusional men are watching way too many sitcoms (ie Two and a Half Men), movies (ie Shallow Hal) & reality shows that depict average and sometimes nasty troll-like looking older guys with young hot women. You are looking at celebrities, actors and rock stars. Wake up. Reality check… you are not an actor or rocker with millions of dollars. Besides everyone in Hollywood is so full of shit anyhow. Please stop saying a lot of young women go for older guys. I live in Boston on planet earth. I live in the real world. Yes, it can happen but it is definately NOT common. When it happens, it’s because of $$$$$$$$ or in very rare cases, the man looks a lot younger and it still super good looking. Women like men a few years older than themselves but not so many years that they could be as old as their fathers or even more disgusting, their grandfathers. Excuse me, but I have to go puke now.
Hahahaha. Loving the comebacks. Mel, you’re pissing everyone off cuz you’re speaking the truth and the truth hurts. Love it!
I’m 35 and was dating a 34 year old “accomplished” phd. Now i’m laying next to a 23 year old hot, sweet, girl–she’s taking a nap. Guess which one i have more fun with, which one totally gets me excited, and is also laid back and easy going, and which one complained that she only had a few years of fertility left, and was cold, and hardly showed any affection.
Melissa, btw sweet means kind, affectionate, and easy going, anything that is not an angry, bitchy, entitled ameri-cunt.
You’re right American culture does not promote younger women going for older guys, not until they are past their primes and can’t get guys their own age, like the girl i mentioned above. I told her she should date 45-50 year olds, and now I’m traveling the world, leaving girls like you to brainwashed,beta american men.
You are rigth about many older guys not taking care of themselves and looking like shit, but they are no different from their fat, ugly american women counterparts.
If you’re going to lie on the Internet, you really must trim your sails a bit. It’s simply not credible to claim to be 41 years old, have “flawless skin with not a single wrinkle”, and a “firm” 36D rack. Time and age are what they are, and every 41 yo on the planet has at least a wrinkle or two. Also, at 41 gravity has taken its toll, and D-cups will inevitably have lost their bounce.
Your claims to the unsullied wonderfulness of yourself and all your friends also lack the ring of truth; y’all have apparently never fallen short of perfection or complete satisfaction. This is not the way of the world, and I suggest you consider the phrase “into every life a little rain must fall”. Mixing up the portrait a little would help you come off as slightly less obviously phony.
It would also be best to refrain from accusing *others* of misrepresenting themselves. Once you introduce the idea that people might be *dishonest* in their representations of themselves, well, it’s but a hop, skip, and jump of logic to begin to wonder if your all-too-perfect feminist self-portrait might not be, well, a little too perfect.
Your bizarre assertion that women age better than men could be refuted in many ways, but I suggest you consider the world of the celebrity. At 50, an actor can easily still play a leading man. At 50, an actress who still tries to play up her sexuality looks like a freak show.
At 40+, a woman has absolutely nothing to offer on the marriage market. If a man hasn’t taken her as his wife already, she’s simply no good to him. (Not all men have realized this, but the word is spreading.) Older men, however, have much to offer younger women, which is why such pairings are more common than you would like to pretend.
Just because I like to share: The welfare state that supports your feminist delusions is crumbling. Everything you believe in will be destroyed within 50 years.
Tick tick tick.
I’d like to make an observation that the more a woman writes a dissertation to make her argument, and the more she peppers it with insults accusing her opponents of having small dicks and being pedophiles, the more obivous it is that she fundamentally doesn’t believe in her own position. As I mentioned earlier, u (or rather she) mad.
Dearest Hot-As-a-20-Year-Old Melissa,
I know enough about Boston to know EXACTLY what you look like WITHOUT a picture. For one, the fact that you itemized (in the first few sentences) all of the Boston teams tells me you walk around in: an oversized Patriots jersey or a Kevin Garnett jersey than hangs past your ass; a lanyard around your neck with your work ID hanging from it; shortened, stringy doll hair; jean shorts; and probably Teva slippers or beat-up running sneakaz.
Coming from a city with the most per-capita college kids–including droves of cute, sweet girls–probably doesn’t help your attitude. I don’t blame you for being angry, but as a result of your rage, you likely have several brow cracks, jowl lines, and crows feet from frowning and complaining all day.
This bullshit that men are as unattractive at 40 as women are IS the truth, but ONLY in the mind of the 40-year-old woman. Young girls and men are in agreement on this one. Just look at what young girls DO rather than assert on an Internet forum. Young girls DROOL over Johnny Depp, Hugh Jackman, and scores of other actors that age. In real life, I see cool 40-year-old cats (including my own brother) have to beat back 23-year-old girls with a stick. Conversely, women like Jennifer Aniston are fighting obsolescence with every ounce of strength in their aging bodies.
The truth is that men peak way later than women. The reason we look at 15-year-old girls is that they’re already attractive at that age. Many girls that age already look beautiful and haven’t been corrupted by the destructive influences of obesity, feminism without a cause, and loose sexual behavior that wears on their bodies and souls. 15-year-old boys don’t even get the time of day from most women. Unfortunately for you women, that means your gender closes shop a lot earlier. Most women start a hard decline at 30, some earlier if they have Northern European stock and are unfortunate enough to live in a sunny place. By age 40, most women are quite invisible, unless they decide to expose half of their bodies in desperate attempt of landing lesser or similarly desperate men (the flabby middle-agers you deride so viciously).
Men don’t START peaking in muscle mass, charm, worldliness, and masculine elegance–the things that drive attractive girls crazy-until their late 20s, even 30s. All that “unwanted” attention that 15-year-old girls got so early comes to us at a delicious time when we can actually capitalize it. This really bothers some women, who at the same time are falling in the standings. It’s a hard realization that you weren’t going to get what you wanted for the rest of your lives. Sure, there are exceptions. Some guys look great at 21 and like shit by the time they hit 30. But most men look their best in the 30s and 40s. Remember Sean Connery? Ever heard of a guy named George Clooney? Both were at their peak desirability in their 50s. The list of men like this is long. Of women, very very short.
You can assert all you want, but the real world, history, and human nature don’t lie.
I don’t understand why Melissa is so livid, she knows the general ideology of this board and its audience.In other words, I wouldn’t frequent a neo-nazi community.
With respect to “the perfect girl” we would like to have as the mother of our children and, perhaps, our wives, would have most, if not all, of those qualities she stated. I think, not to sound arrogant, that she is angry at the fact she falls into the group of people that we generally have no interest in.
ok guys, we have to all go home now. We can’t get the girls we really want because Melissa said so. She said they don’t want us so she must be right. After all, she’s a woman and she knows what ALL women want. And I think she’s right we are creepy for acting on our biology and going for what we really want in life. How sad of us. Thanks Melissa, you win. (actually i was just being sarcastic, you don’t win)
See? Girls can troll just as good as boys. They just can’t admit to being trolls.
lol, y’all got trolled
@Melissa – Post a link to a picture of yourself and let us decide.
Trolls don’t touch old threads where they’re unsure if anyone is reading. Pretty sure she’s real.
congrats melissa on being a 41 year old with a boyfriend.
why hadn’t the marriage thing worked out yet? why will this relationship be different to the last however many that didn’t work out? check back in 5 years and tell us how it went.
(hint: if you want it to last a little longer, don’t whack off while he’s fucking you – older woman behaviors like that are a huge turn off.)
She has very good points though.I see old farts trying to hit on young girls all the time and they do NOT get these girls. After 35 the game is over i’m stopping at that age.
Greetings from Boston Melissa. I’m from Boston too. I think you’re the reason I don’t date girls over 30. They all end up like you: bitter, ugly, and completely retarded with no knowledge of anything they talk about.
At least young girls, who are just as dumb as the old ones, are hot.
Us men age great, and we take advantage. You’re time has long past, 41? LOL, go crawl back under whatever Redsox blanket you came out of. I notice you never said that you had any children? Tell your cats I said “hi”.
Talk about getting angry! Looks like I’ve ruffled a lot of feathers. To the dude talking out of his ass about wearing oversized shirts depicting sports teams, very funny… NOT! Certainly I do have have some cool Sox and Celtics tshirts but they are fitting not baggy. I hate Teva sandals, very ugly footwear. Say want you want about droopy this and droopy that, wrinkles here and there. As I mentioned, good genes and a baby face have given me a natural youthful look. Someone says I throw out insults. And all the nasty comments on here even before I came into the picture were not insulting? Sweet equals kind, laid back, etc. Funny. The irony of all this is that I hate feminists, male haters, bitchy angry dikes. I probably hate the same women you do. I should also point out that I am in an awesome relationship with a hard working blue collar guy. I appreciate him. I know I’ve got something good. But he’s a smart man, and knows he has something good too. I just purchased his (&mine) airfare to FL to see my Dad. It will be his bday gift next month. The other day, he surprised me with roses. We just do things to show our appreciation. As for being laid back… you couldn’t meet a more laid back person than myself. My boyfirend and I do everything together. We take a spin on our motorcycles, we hang at the beach, meet friends out, entertain, go to concerts and sporting events, and try every cool fun thing imaginable. I am fortunate that he is an amazing lover which makes me want to bang him every night. You see… if a guy is a good lover and isn’t selfish, a woman of any age, will be insanely attentive towards him. You guys keep pointing out actors. Part of the lure is that they are famous. I must say Gerrard Butler is smoking hot and many actors over 40 are good looking. There are plenty of pretty actresses too so please. But in Hollywood all the attention is given to the younger upcoming female stars. So the pretty 40 year old actress doesn’t have as good of a body as the new 20 year old hottie… duh! And who gives a shit. The pretty older actress is still pretty. Good looking people are good looking at all different ages. The 20 year old bombshell will likely still be gorgeous when she is 30, 40, 50, 60+. Yes, her body will change but if she takes care of herself, she will still look amazing. This is what I see with women my age. They are looking great. The guys on the other hand, not so much. The average guy 40+ walking around does NOT look like George Clooney. Fortunately, my guy is one cool cat, good looking, hard working, fun… just an awesome man. Only 2 years older than myself. I am fortunate to have an amazing father too. Classy decent guy that worked hard all his life and treats all women respectfully. Raised me telling me to always be able to take care of myself and to never count on anyone, told me not put up with bullshit, and that I could do anything that I want to in life. Amazing man who I am proud to have as my father, and I know he is proud that I am his daughter.
I crack up about comments that I am an angry bitter woman. Seriously. Wrong! I make a lot of money and combined with my guy’s, we’re “good”. We live in a beautiful house outside the city, travel often, have cool friends (many happy couples), amazing sex, and are living life not bitching and moaning about superficial bull shit. If I was single, dating would not be an issue. This is NOT delusional but factual. What is it with women not being fertile any more in their 40s? Some moron made that comment. Most women in their 40s can get pregnant but choose not to because of greater risks. Some think it is selfish to have them so late in life. But for some crazy ass reason, some idiotic 50 year old, wrinkled, deranged dudes with an onset of dementia thinks it’s fine to have a baby with a 22 year old “baby”. Yeah real cool and studly. I’m sure all 12 year old kids love showing off their ancient Dads. Very selfish indeed. And for the fertile young girls that have your babies… give them a few years… then they will dump your asses, laugh all the way to the bank, pursue education/careers, hang out with friends and date guys closer to their age. You? You will be an even creepier older washed up dude and still delusional. Most men here are the angry bitter ones, not me. Bad sexless marriages perhaps. Or maybe too many encounters with royal bitches. I know they’re out there, no denying it. But there are many quality, wonderful, attractive women out there over the age of 30 & 40 & 50! FACT!!! Just like you don’t like being called beer guzzling, balding, ugly creepy old dudes… we do not like being called horrible disgusting names. A woman gave birth to you, ass! You have or had mothers and grandmothers, maybe sisters too. I am not angry bitter or jealous. I am in a kick ass relationship that most will never have. I admire pretty young girls, and often point them out. I actually admire attractive men and women of all ages, colors, and ethnicities. I am not a dike or man hater. I love sexy decent men! I am not a ranting crazy feminist. I am not even a liberal. So do not make these stupid comments. I never used a guy for his money. I have my own. I always appreciated a good guy and ditched the shitheads. I’ve always been respectful to good men and expect the same. If I meet a worthless piece of
shit, I will speak my mind. If I meet you in person, I will embarrass the shit out of your nerdy asses. You, my friend, are the jealous bitter ones. Your wives got fat and ugly and stopped banging you. Young girls think you’re a joke and use you get a free meal. You have met nagging bitches of all ages. You are bitter that you never could and currently cannot meet any awesome women closer to your age. You don’t even know what a good relationship with a mature woman is like. Your ugly inner selves only attract female losers. It sucks to be YOU (not me)!!! Ha ha ha ha, now that’s funny!
No kids. Not blessed in that dept. But looking forward to being a great aunt soon. And I mentor a cool gorgeous 17 year old girl who often tells me she is disgusted by older men oggling her and making rude comments. I must protect her from the scumbags. Cats, lol. Hey shit-for-brains… I am not a cat person. I have 2 super cute dogs. They wouldn’t care to say “hi” to you. Good judges of character. They’d smell you from a mile away!!! I’m engaged. Better late than never. At least I didn’t marry the wrong person, stay in a loveless miserable marriage or go through an ugly divorce. Can you say the same? I could have had children but I thought it would be selfish to do so. I believe in bringing up babies only in stable marriages. I loathe women who constantly pop babies out and use government handouts. I don’t have kids, so what? I think Rudy is the only sane man on here. Run Rudy, run! This is my last post. I know I will be missed. I know it sucks to have a woman finally speak up on here to tell you how full of shit you all are. And to give you knuckleheads a wake up call. Peace.
“I just purchased his (&mine) airfare to FL to see my Dad. It will be his bday gift next month.”
Now *that* is fucking funny. *His* birthday gift is a trip to FL (in September!) to see *your* dad. That really says it all as to what kind of person you are; you can’t even *conceive* of how an actual caring, sweet woman might act long enough to spin a convincing yarn.
“you couldn’t meet a more laid back person than myself”
Actual laid-back people don’t leave hysterical rants on the Internet. BTW, sweetie: Paragraphs — learn about their proper use.
To recap: Melissa’s primary thesis is that old women are hot, old men are not. This is pretty much the opposite of true, but I guess she figures that if she says it enough it will become true. The Tinkerbell theory of argument, I suppose. She also appears to believe that endless assertions about her own wonderfulness constitute some sort of proof of her point, even as she dismisses the personal testimony of *everyone else on the board*. This is solipsism raised to the level of insanity.
A subsidiary point appears to be that men really want to date “awesome women closer to [their] age”, but can’t, and so have to settle for fruitlessly chasing after young women who reject them. Left unexplained is why these men don’t chase after the aging hags that they supposedly really want, but, hey, woman-logic, whatchagonnado?
“If I meet you in person, I will embarrass the shit out of your nerdy asses.”
And just how, precisely, will you do that? (Really.) How would you know me, if you met me? How would my vast indifference to you differentiate me from any of the other men you meet every day? What leverage would you have to embarrass me, even if you met me, identified me, and wanted to? “Hey everybody … this guy doesn’t want to date 40+ year-old women! Hahaha!” Yeah — try that on, and see how people react.
One thing though — you’re definitely a chick. Only the female mind would leap to the use of social awkwardness as a threat.
I have gotten with a range of women from 8 years younger to 8 years older. There is nothing to miss with the older ones. In my preferred venue of choice (which is a popular bar downtown) it is not unusually to see 40 year old dudes (balding included ) go home with 20 year old women.
This type of hookup is more common than a 40 year old women being with a 20 year old man. But of course if you point this out to a 40 year old women she will have smoke rising from her head and will have a meltdown. Nothing to see here.
I’m just glad you didn’t have any kids, Melissa. God knows what a terrible mother you would have been.
Mellissa is like a delusional basket case in a mental ward, can’t stop yelling out her version of reality while the nurses and doctors after dealing with it over and over let their empathy turn to eye rolling and secret glances of “this one’s really nuts.”. Time to take your meds Melissa, because apparently you can’t contribute to a rational discussion. You would of course need to be rational for that.
You are not making any valid arguments or points. We’re just all laughing at you. Stop feeding the monster guys – she’ll latch onto something else.
“Most women in their 40s can get pregnant but choose not to because of greater risks.”
It depends how far into your 40s you are. At 40, your chance of conceiving is about 40 per cent, falling to about five per cent by your mid-40s.
FYI, 40% is not “most”. A clear majority of women, as they turn 40, cannot conceive at all.
You know what, I believe Melissa. She has too much confidence and detail to be BSing online. Shes obviously playing up her looks but what woman wouldnt? lol I bet she looks as good as a 41 yr old woman can… Does it compare to her 20yr old version of herself? Not even close, but I bet still very bangable; if she has dedication to run a business she probably put in the effort to work out as well.
I wish her the best of luck as she proves to be an outlier regarding women her age. I just hope she doesnt resent her man in the future because he isnt as ambitious as she is and leave him “My Blue Valentine Style.” The guy is obviously no Mr. Big. I wish you luck Melissa.
Also for future reference: I live in San Antonio. This is one of the fattest cities in the nation and there are both fat male and female 20/30/40+ yr olds. Generally in terms of Men vs Women: the men look better than the women especially when you factor in the fat and old. Fewer men even hit obesity and in general the women are fatter than the men. Simple fact: Men age better than women.
Also stop with the ad hominems. It reflects poorly on me to be a part of a group of guys that say crap like “good thing you didnt have kids you wouldve beeen a terrible mother” i mean damn thats cold lol
Stick to rational arguments and dont insult people. I cant imagine any intelligent person winning an argument by calling someone a “dumbass.” I have higher standards for myself and the people on this website. After all, were all trying to better ourselves.
Men don’t get boners for women’s accomplishments, just like women don’t tingle for men’s character or intelligence.
Men like youth and beauty in their women. Women like power and status in their men.
Complain all you want, but that’s just how God made the world.
I got to the 18+ dance club so I can bang girls who are still in highschool
“I’m not a crazy cat lady! I have dogs!”
i find it very funny how here in Florida,”Land of the transient gold diggers women from up north and beyond” who are all looking for old sugar daddies to take care of them,are never really called on it very much here,however I saw a older women like Mel describes who”looks good for her age40-50′s with a kid literally, he had to be in his college years probably early 20′s,I saw them kissing in the lips before entering our establishment like they were a couple.anywho, they came into our bar and EVERYONE was looking at this “normal couple ” when I came to serve her and her son I mean boy toy a drink. she was very tense and almost acting like we even cared about her fucking younger boy toy.
society will always be the ultimate barometer of what is excepted socially when it comes to this older vs younger topic.in America, if older men slept with younger women (granted some might have daddy issues not all.)its ok in places like Florida where I see it everyday regardless of grey saggy balls and having to take Viagra,what ever the case because it doesnt stop these younger women from doing it,because younger women want to be taken care of in general,and they have no shame in it here, etc..But an older women with a younger guy who is young enough to be her son,Im not sure about that and the public opinion either,she sure wasnt well received at our restaurant/bar.Americans kind of wince at the sight.Not sure why but Im sure Melissa can explain why its “ok” though and why people find it so appealing.Oh and for the record”im not insulting anyone in my rebuttal here”.just making an observation and throwing in my 2 cents.
I think Patrice O’Neal said that a slammin’ hot older woman is no match for an average 20 year old. He also said that a 20-year old’s pussy tastes like hope.
Mel, have you read any Roosh’s books or posts? If so then you know the type of guys that come here are those that look for desirable women. We go for what we want not what society wants. If say we found you desirable and we tried to pursue you is there anything wrong with that? So what’s the difference if we pursue 22 year old women that we find desirable? We pursue attractive women and that’s it, there’s nothing wrong with that. Besides you seem to have the misconception that everyone here is over 40. To be honest I’m 19 and hell Roosh the author is of this site is 32.
I am addicted to this blog. I hate it but I confess. I feel compelled to write more! I hardly ever read blogs, and have never posted any comments… until now.
I apologize to Mr. Scholar that my paragraphs aren’t just so. I am using a PC tablet, the keyboard is a bit tricky. I haven’t been paying much attention to freakin’ paragraphing. Is this a writing contest too? My bad. LOL.
I am crazy because I have dogs. Are guys that have dogs nuts too? Just wondering…
Do I not make any valid points at all? None? I had no clue who this Roosh ( funny it rhymes with… ) dude was. So I read a little bit about him. I gathered that he writes about his travels to basically bang girls/women & gives advice on how to bang as many chicks as humanly possible. Sounds like a class act. Who the hell is this guy? Why do you need a stranger’s advice? Does anyone know him personally? How do you know if his stories are factual? He goes to countries where young gullible girls daydream about coming to the U.S.A. The best country on the planet. And he bangs them… wow, what a guy! For all you know, this creep might be paying for sex, perhaps with even little girls. Maybe not. But maybe. He has magically managed to bring together a group of men who blog about ugly old hags (lol) and hot young girls like they are nothing more than a piece of meat. Either way, Roosh the ogre and his demented “followers” are just disrespectful of women altogether. You all hate women so maybe you should just bang each other. Just an idea…
Any of you older guys have beautiful daughters? Any of you younger guys ever want to marry a great woman and have a family? What if you have a little girl who looks up to you for support and protection… one that develops into a pretty teen full of dreams… then into a beautiful young woman. Would you like it if some creepy guy as old as you licks his lips while drooling over your teen or 20 year old. You would want to rip his dick off and shove it down his ugly fat slobbering throat then boot his ass back into in his shiny BMW. No? I know that’s what I would want to do. That is what any decent good man would want to do.
Roosh is a loser. Sorry, he is. I knew guys like him when I was in my early thirties. I know those guys today. Still losers but now in their early to mid 40s and alone. I also gather some “followers” are successful and financially well off. You drive your fancy cars, flash your money, smoke cigars, wear designer suits, and basically “buy” beautiful young women so you have a trophy on your arm. But you’re not good looking. You’re not muscular and rugged. You’re definately not cool. You’re not funny though perhaps funny looking. Older women see through all this nonsense & we laugh. Some young girls are impressed and just want to be around the $$$ as most “kids” (both sexes) are very materialistic at this age.
I guess if you don’t mind getting used for your money and the chicks don’t mind getting used for their bodies… knock yourself out. But be sincere with them about who you are and what your intentions are. Two consenting adults. But if you’re looking for long term, and want to marry a girl 20 years younger… good luck. You’re setting yourself up for major disappointment. This I assure you.
To the younger guys on here, don’t waste your time being a Roosh “follower”.You will meet bitches. And you will meet great girls. Stick with girls your age or perhaps 5-6 years younger. Greater chance for success! Be yourself, be a good man, and treat your girl like gold. You will be rewarded greatly. This little simple wisdom will get you far, very far. Please don’t become an old creepy dude like the others. Keep your dignity. Don’t become the deranged delusional guy preying on little girls or the rich asshole that can only “buy” females.
Bang. What a joke! Night guys…
If you’re “addicted” to the blog of a loser, what does that make you?
To be honest I respect Roosh. I may be no veteran in picking up girls but I can Identify with Roosh. Roosh, and many others here understands what it’s like to be friend-zoned or rejected because we listened to our mother’s and your advice and treated women with absolute kindness. Also for liars Roosh and many others seems to be pretty consistent in their advice.
I personally downloaded Roosh’s book off of a site and liked it (unlike all the PUA crap that’s out there) so much that I bought it and gave that as a gift to my brothers. As of now I’m patiently awaiting his new book.
But really put yourself in my position, who would a young male inexperienced male in game listen to? You, who probably didn’t give nice guys the time of day when you were younger and arguably more attractive or a community of guys that became so good at game they can’t count the amount of women they’ve been with. Bottom line is even some ugly girls can get sex; no girl would even make out with an ugly guy.
At first I respected you for voicing your opinion and sticking to it. but now seeing you disrespect the members of this community is actually making me lose respect for
Also be honest with us as we’re being honest with you. For someone so “active” why is your internet lingo so proficient. I mean people uncommon to the internet usually use perfect spelling and the best possible grammar because they have no knowledge of short forms,etc.
“Be yourself, be a good man, and treat your girl like gold.”
I shit turds that give better advice than this.
You know the most pathetic thing in the world is someone who spends a huge amount of time and effort trying to qualify themselves to other people. This is a real sad display.
“You will be rewarded greatly.”
By being with a woman with a dried up uterus? No thanks.
C’mon, enough with the sockpuppets, people.
“Melissa” has to be fake. She’s like an exaggeration of all of the manosphere’s worst stereotypes about women… no way can she be real.
I take it back. Melissa talks too much trash to be even remotely real. Shes probably nothing like she claims she is. After all, if a drop dead 41 yr old can be addicted to this blog why can at least a few of us be attractive cool “muscular and rugged?”
I agree with #156 too much exaggeration and stereotyping
Hmm, if so I do have to congratulate the troll on the ranting 5000 word responses without paragraph separation. It was a nice touch for making it seem more convincing.
You got me! I’m fake… I’m actually a very angry, bitter 49 year old hag. I’ll be home on my 50th bday because nobody wants to date a fat, frumpy, droopy, cackling witch. I’m divorced, have 12 felines, unemployed but collecting money from the government, thank goodness! I’ve put on 60 lbs & enjoy my soaps during the day. I’ m a T.V. junky and love Oprah. There you go…
You know what I think? I think most or all of you know that I’m real. What I’ve said about myself is 100% accurate. But whatever… And I also know the way I decribe some men in my rant is right on. The not so good looking, uncool, wealthy older guys are likely the ones getting the angriest. In turn, they post nasty things & say I’m a fake.
I’m exaggerating and stereotyping? And men on here do not stereotype? Please! Funny, not one of you has actually reponded to the content of my rant. Not one.
Nobody has (had) a cute little girl? What would you do to a mature man hitting on your young innocent daughter? Would you not prefer that your daughter go school, pursue a career, meet and marry a good man, one that actually sees her more than a hot piece of ass? One that is her age or a few years older so they can have children and both be young and healthy to raise them together. Wouldn’t you prefer your grandchild be proud of his/her parents instead of being embarrassed? Or would it be cool to have a son inlaw that’s your age?
There are younger guys on manosphere (how gay!) that I think are just tired of rejection. Do you know why you’re being rejected? Because the majority of very young barely adult women are high maintainance drama queens. These stuck up hotties will not give you the time of day. Yet the older wealthy guys will score. They are your enemies not me. Get pissed off at them and the little snobs who know when to act oh so sweet in order to get what they want…
Lessons to be learned:
1) The younger guys to do not have to become jerks. Unless you have a thing for bimbos that like being abused. Otherwise, be patient & approach approachable non-bitchy types.
2) Average older guys that lack looks and money CANNOT score young 20 year old girls. To them, you are creepy old dudes. If you think differently… you are delusional.
3) If you are a rare male hottie 40+ yr old like Gerard Butler or bad boy Jesse James OR have loads of cash to flash around… then you likely can score the young ones.
4) If you are able to “score”… it will almost always be temporary, void of any real feelings or possibility of future endeavors together. There is also a great risk of your wallet shrinking during this time. So be careful with your investment portfolios, especially in this market!
5) Do not stereotype women my age as old hags. I acknowledge their sad existence but there are plenty of amazing older ones out there. Too bad you can’t “see” them, as you’re “blind” due to past horrible experiences.
6) What is up with flags & Roosh? A flag means a guy gets laid… yes? No? If so… this guy is 32? Now that’s sad. That sounds like a game 15 year old boys would play ( maybe even girls too ). You’re taking advice & reading books from this guy? That’s beyond sad.
Good luck to all you men out there in manosphere land. I know that you know that I am “real” & that what I say is indeed very truthful. I know, however, you will deny it, continue the insults, and carry on your hatred and bitterness. I am done with my crazy ranting. Last post.
“[N]ot one of you has actually reponded to the content of my rant.”
Now, this is simply not true. It was explained to you, with examples, over and over and over again, that your central thesis (women age better than men) is self-evidently false. That unverifiable personal anecdotes do not constitute a basis for argument. And that older women are simply not as desirable as younger ones for good and sufficient reasons, including greatly reduced fertility, contra your incorrect assertions.
As for the “son-in-law that’s your age” thing — I’d like to point out that that’s a red herring. For any consistent age gap between husbands and wives, the age gap between a wife’s father and her husband will be constant. If men begin to marry younger women the gap will shrink, if they begin to marry older women it will increase. So, if a man marries a much younger women the eventual age gap to his son-in-law will be average or larger-than-average. That’s a little thing I call “math”.
People here aren’t claiming that you’re “exaggerating and stereotyping”. They’re claiming that you *are an exaggerated stereotype*. That’s a little think I call “reading comprehension”. You must have been shit on the SAT.
I note that you refer to the manosphere as “gay”. Thank you for rounding out the checklist of cliched behaviors. I assume you similarly condemn all those “women’s” special-interest groups and associations? I mean … NOW actually *is* pretty gay, come to think of it.
Finally, your “lessons” are crap (yeah … dating a hottie is a *much* bigger financial risk than marryng / having children with a modern American woman … sure), and I note that you confuse the relatively simple concepts of “the notch” and “the flag”.
Why you so angry Melissa ? The fact is many men reach an age where they realise that being nice sweet caring etc does not get you laid. Not giving a fcuk and making yourself believe that any woman is lucky to have your cock gets you laid, simple. I was fucking a stunning 18 year old russian not long ago but I know she only liked the money cars and big house . So what, my big fat hairy beer belly bouncing around on her hard flawless body was great fun and added to the list of young sweet feminine girls I have managed to fuck. You are happy to ridicule older men but don’t like men doing the same to women ? Why do women claim exclusive rights to such arrogance ? To make it simple for you I, like many other men only like younger girls, I find older women ugly. Westernised feminised nations are full of ugly old women who have a high opinion of themselves. Why settle for that when I can fuck much more attractive women from Eastern Europe. You claim to be good looking so post a picture of yourself, cover your face if you like but unless you put a picture of yourself up with a loaf of bread on your head then we have to assume that you are full of shit.
Yeah Melissa, post a picture of yourself so I can masturbate to how gorgeous you are. We accept nothing less than full frontal n00dz.
Why is everyone so angry at Melissa? She never said she was drop dead gorgeous or hotter than a 20 year old. She simply said that she was attractive, and knows plenty of women her age that are as well. I don’t think she was ever bragging about being smoking hot.
She was inaccurate on stating MOST women in their 40s can get pregnant. But not way off. It would have been better to say that a significant number of women are able to get pregnant in their early 40s. I have known plenty of women who have had babies in their late 30s and early 40s w/o complications. I’m a nurse and midwife (15 years) so I know what I’m talking about.
I should also point out that men as they age also become less fertile. His fertility declines around the age of 35 as the quality of his sperm diminishes. Sperm motility can also decline. It takes up to 5 times as long for a man over 45 to get a woman pregnant than if he was under 30. I can go into scientific detail but no need. Evidently, none of you are in the medical field. Or at least, I hope not.
Erectile dysfunctional can also be a big problem for aging men. Although it can occur at any age, it is more often seen in older men. For younger men it is usually temporary but not so for older men;, hence, the need for Viagra.
Should young women view older men as useless because they are less fertile or may possibly have erectile dysfunction (or in the near future)? That would be very mean, don’t you think?
A few men tried using male actors or athletes to argue the point that men age better. Well, let me rattle off some familiar names. For the younger guys, you may need to google these women…
Daisy Fuentes, Demi Moore, Meg Ryan, Elizabeth Hurley, Shania Twain, Jane Seymour, Raquel Welch, Elisabeth Shue, Michael Michele, Kim Cattrall, Halle Berry, Monica Bellucci, Salma Hayek, Gwen Steffani, Naomi Watts, Susan Sarandon, Vanessa Williams, Sharon Stone, Michelle Pfeiffer, and Julianne Moore. These women are all over 40, and several are over 50. They are all moderately attractive to drop dead gorgeous. As a matter of fact, they make a lot of young women look foolish. I understand about airbrushing, but this is done to all celebrities of all ages and both genders.
Are these women old ugly hags? If you think so, you must check yourself into a mental institution for immediate help. Stay there until you regain your sanity.
Melissa is the only one here with valid points. I agree that women seem to age a little better than men. I’ve witnessed this myself. I’m 34. Even men in their mid 30s are falling apart at the seams. My boyfriend is actually 3 years younger. This is my opinion. You are entitled to your own opinion, however, and that is fine.
I’ve seen this kind of bitches eviscerated by Heartiste on his blog. I obviously lack his talent but i’m gonna take a shot.
She says nothing new. Men know perfectly that at an old age, without status and seduction skills, you cannot bang hot chicks on the regular. We know that muscularity/looks count for a man, but not nearly as much as beauty counts for a woman.
So what exactly is she trying to say? That we are creepy old losers? She can believe that if it helps her sleep at night.
Her shitty advice about treating women as gold is the perfect fuel for the LJBF phenomenon and the divorce theft industry. She may experiment that soon if her blue collar guy doesn’t man up and tame the bitch.
I would say that she’s a well maintained old hag who is lucky enough to fall in love with a half decent guy (although i strongly suspect that anyone who marries a 40 year old chatterbox has deep seated beta tendencies).
She can ramble on and on about her perfect little life. It has nothing to do with our matters at hand: Mainstream feminism, hamsterish rationalization and female hypergamy.
And rest assured guys, that if you make decent money, keep hitting the gym, and yearn to have an airtight game, bitches like melissa will only wonder why you keep banging hot tight young babes, and ignore her and her wrinkled cavernous pussied old ladyfriends. She doesn’t know shit about female attraction triggers. She keeps wet dreaming about young hot studs, but she will never be able to understand her gina tingles in front of a charismatic old man.
I’m not even old, i’m 25 (that’s right, bitch, the youth of this country is doomed, because of the slutiness, the sense of entitlement, and the overall fucked up hindbrain of your gender. And don’t make me laugh with “he’s probably a fat ugly nerd”) but i’ve seen girls my age or younger fall hard in love with late 30s guys. I would say though that more than 15 years age difference is a risky bet if you want to avoid falling in the sugar daddy category.
As for you, Melissa, keep digging in the manosphere for the education you need, you may feel special with your attention whoring on this blog, but you add no value at all. Around here, we’ve got women figured out, and you’re just an insignificant piece of the puzzle.
As for Casey, you don’t understand. I would gladly pump and dump an attractive old woman, but i would never stick around.
A woman hits the wall in her thirties. If a woman doesn’t snag her best possible mate in her prime years, she will be forced to settle past her prime, typically with a beta provider.
What we’re complaining about here and elsewhere is that women in their 20s are too busy slutting it up with alpha studs, and are forced to settle in their 30s with a poor beta chump. Adultery and divorce theft generally take place subsequently.
That’s why we are witnessing the rise of borderline misogynist alpha players. The seduction community allows beta males to escape their faith as potentially cuckolded providers. Men follow pussy, if women give it away during their prime years to alpha assholes without commitment, then ultimately, all males will become alpha assholes.
In the prevalent ideological frame of the manosphere, an old used up woman is not an acceptable long term mate. End of story.
“Her shitty advice about treating women as gold is the perfect fuel for the LJBF phenomenon and the divorce theft industry.”
That’s what gave her (him?) away as a troll. If she’d said something like “be nice, be yourself” she would have been more convincing. Still bad advice, but not nearly as ridiculous as “treat her like gold” or whatever.
“Be yourself, be a good man, and treat your girl like gold. You will be rewarded greatly.”
Oh, FFS. Your entire bullshit post amounts to nothing more than “oh yeah, Melissa is totally right, women age better”. You rattle off a preposterous list of (almost entirely) former hotties, overlooking the fact that it’s been a leeeeeeetle while since, say, Susan Sarandon played a romantic lead opposite a guy under 35. As for some of the others — sweetie, when I said that “[a]t 50, an actress who still tries to play up her sexuality looks like a freak show” you better believe that Misses Stone and Cattrall were exactly what I had in mind.
“It takes up to 5 times as long for a man over 45 to get a woman pregnant than if he was under 30.” Whoop-de-shit. That’s 15-fucking-years-difference honey, and you can only come up with a 5x factor? Not exactly the same as the off-a-cliff, barren-as-a-brick end of female fertility, is it?
“Should young women view older men as useless because they are less fertile or may possibly have erectile dysfunction (or in the near future)?” Of course not! A man has much to offer a woman in marriage. A woman, however, in the modern legal environment, has *nothing* to offer a man that could rationally entice him into marriage other than the promise of children. Someone like Melissa — delusional, combative, and abrasive — has nothing to offer to entice a man even into a relationship. Mean? Maybe, but them’s the facts.
Incidentally, while every man *is* entitled to his own opinion, as the saying goes, he is not entitled to his own facts. And your “facts” are delusional bullshit.
FACT: All of the those women outlined are beautiful. They were when they were young and they are today. I’d like to add a few more… Sofia Milos, Sela Ward, Jennifer Lopez, Catherine Keener, Lauren Holly, Diane Lane, and Maura Tierney. And there are certainly lots more.
FACT: The fact that they were former hotties has no relevance. Today’s handsome well known older actors
Their beauty is fading, you stupid cunt. They can be pumped and dumped but they are not long term relationship material for a man who has OPTIONS. A sexless beta male can be grateful for any piece of ass that he can get.
Maybe in the show business and tabloids, a used up ex-club rat in her 40s can get a politically correct-brainwashed millionaire to marry her. In real life, no matter how “attractive” she is, and no matter what her “accomplishments” are, she is more likely to raise cats than children from a committed desirable alpha male.
And older men are more able to snag hotties because a man’s status and power can induce gina tingles no matter what his age is. A woman’s accomplishments, status and achievements are irrelevant because men do not get a boner because of that shit. Our hindbrain is only interested in your physical beauty, your ability to make babies, and your potential sexual loyalty (a former slut is a no-no, and a 30-something who is desperate to find a “good man” is probably a former slut).
Handsomeness is not the only weapon in a man’s seduction arsenal. Beauty and youth are the only assets for a woman.
Deal with it!
Continued. Today’s well know handsome actors were also good looking studs back in the day. Your point is?
FACT: Plenty of those women would be great playing a lead role as a sexy desirable women. And plenty of men of all ages would agree. Sexy Halle Berry and Salma Hayek would be more believable then let’s say unappealing Jack Black or average looking Adam Sandler ( all in their 40s ). In real life… if those actresses were ordinary people, they would have men of all ages drooling at their feet. Where as if the actors were ordinary people, they would have a hard time getting just one date! As previously mentioned, over and over again, Hollywood has contributed to this delusional notion that average older men can score hot young women.
FACT: Mens’ fertility declines with age. Not as great as women but still very significant. Quality and quantity of sperm declines significantly with age, along with erectile issues which many men do not address because of embarassment. Why do you think many sperm banks accross the country to not allow men over the age of 30 to donate? Age requirements vary though most seek men under 30. None ask for old delusional dudes to come in!
FACT: You can not place worth of a woman based on her ability to have babies. Nor can you do that to a man. You cannot place the worth of a man based on his financial wealth. There are so many things about people that make them amazing ( or crappy ) human beings. This view is extremely narrow minded & rather twisted.
FACT: Not all people want children. This goes for both genders. Personal choice and nobody’s business. Some of these people still want to marry. So obviously there are other reasons that people marry.
FACT: Amazing concept but some people fall in love! Companionship, activity partner, lover, best friend and someone to grow old with may also be logical explanations for marriage. Some start business ventures together, travel the world, adopt or foster needy children, donate time to causes they are both passionate about. Marriage is about a unique partnership with many facets.
It’s shocking how so many of you educated men that are oh so eloquent in writing, are clueless.
Men here are losing credibility and losing the “battle” on key points. Hence, the filthy, classless name calling. That’s what happens when people that are wrong are “exposed”.
“Today’s well know handsome actors were also good looking studs back in the day. Your point is?”
That handsomeness is the only weapon in a man’s sedution arsenal. Learn how to read, and how to grasp the meaning of what you’re reading.
“Plenty of those women would be great playing a lead role as a sexy desirable women”
Yes, for now. A man with OPTIONS doesn’t enter into a LTR knowing that his woman is going to be all wrinkled in a few years.
“Sexy Halle Berry and Salma Hayek would be more believable then let’s say unappealing Jack Black or average looking Adam Sandler”
You’re talking about looks. I’m talking about relationship dynamics.
Yes, these actresses are good looking for now, but their bodies must be all wrinkled. Make up doesn’t fool nobody. And these guys have status. If they also learn how to seduce, very few chicks can escape from their charm if they meet them.
An overweight old man can compensate for that with status and wits. An old lady will ruin herself with beauty products while perfectly knowing that she doesn’t stand a chance compared with a hot looking young babe.
“Hollywood has contributed to this delusional notion that average older men can score hot young women. ”
An old man who decides to chase young girls cannot succed if he doesn’t have the qualities that i mentioned. Hitting the gym will also help his cause.
An old cougar will only catch optionless young studs (they do exist, sex is only easy for a minority of men who know how to seduce women) for a short length of time, or a weirdo with a fetish for wrinkles.
“Mens’ fertility declines with age. Not as great as women but still very significant…”
Yes, but they can still have babies. And women are hardwired to overlook this handicap if other attractive traits are displayed by the man.
Why the fuck don’t you want to admit that status is attractive for women, and not for men?
“You can not place worth of a woman based on her ability to have babies.”
In a politically correct society like the one we’re living in, sure.
In the ideological frame of the manosphere, which is mainly based on evolutionary psycholgy and seduction science, women are worthless if their reproductive window is closed or even almost closed.
“You cannot place the worth of a man based on his financial wealth.”
The worth of a man in dating market is based on his:
Psychosocial dominance (or Game)
Status (Personality traits, fame, achievements, peer validation…)
The order of those traits is important.
“There are so many things about people that make them amazing ( or crappy )”
Yes, but you cannot resort to this cheesy argument to entirely disregard human nature.
Social dynamics are a whole science and you seem to be clueless about its simplest concepts.
“Not all people want children. This goes for both genders. ”
Now, you’re not clueless, you’re just stupid.
The whole sex act is based on having children. The way each gender perceives the other is more or less related to reproduction.
Of course, we can make the decision to not having children with our neocortex/frontbrain. But our hindbrain is out of reach. It’s the reason why i’m attracted primarily to a smooth body with womanly curves. And it’s the reason why you can be attracted to an athlete for his genes, and to clueless beta chump for his providing abilities.
“Companionship, activity partner, lover, best friend and someone to grow old with may also be logical explanations for marriage.”
Yeah sure and it’s men’s fault that women initiate divorce 80% of the time.
It’s too late for the sweet talk about love and companionship. Feminism (and by that i mean, the slutiness, the masculinization of women’s behavior, the entitlement to treat men as disposable wallets, the divorce theft industry etc etc…) destroyed men’s willingness to make concessions. It’s a war out there, and game/seduction science armed men to the teeth.
Keep educating yourself on this blog and on others to learn what it takes to be a true woman.
“Marriage is about a unique partnership with many facets.”
Marriage, under the current legal climate, is a raw deal for men. You won’t convince anyone here that it’s still worth it.
“It’s shocking how so many of you educated men that are oh so eloquent in writing, are clueless.”
What’s most shocking is the cluelessness of women about how men think.
Anyway, this blog is not for negotiations. Most of us are playing the field, fucking around and ignoring your desperate attempts to make men surrender to women’s agenda.
The previous generation of men did just that. They are now for the most part divorced and lost half of their money.
Second line typo
That handsomeness is NOT the only weapon in a man’s sedution arsenal
If you carefully read all the comments from men, you can see tons of contradictions. There’s also so many bizarre words and phrases made up by manosphere cult members. I don’t even know if you know what you’re saying, along with the others.
Halle Berry and Salma Hayek are good for now but their bodies must be all wrinkled. Really? Now that’s stupid.
The whole sex act is based on having children? No. For some couples, yes. Every time you have sex, you are hoping to get the woman pregnant? If sex was only for that one reason, there would be no such thing as orgasms being pleasurable.
The qualities that you point out is what one would call the “package”. I know, however, that the majority of men also look for a “package” when looking for a long term partner. You manosphere guys are definately the minority.
I agree that guys have gotten screwed in divorces. But some women have been left stranded by dead beat Dads. Men have been robbed, in many ways, in custody battles. Many women have been physically, sexually, verbally abused by so-called husbands/boyfriends. Some have even got shot in the face, literally. Ugly things happen to both sexes. This perpetual hatred certainly isn’t going to make things better.
Melissa, Casey & the other sane people: Don’t waste any more time. You’ll never change the way these guys think.
P.S. I’m only 26. I’m in grad school and engaged.
I love my boyfriend, thank god he doesn’t think like this! He’s 31. I don’t know any women my age that are into men more than 10 years their senior.
Can Roosh get laid in the U.S.? Or does he have to fly to foreign countries to do so? Maybe all you men with your bullshit “game” should move to a godamn foreign country. Do THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA a favor, and get your sorry asses off our soil. Fucking freak shows! I’d welcome a manosphere piece of shit, hit on my daughter. I’d tear him a new asshole!!
Whoa. That bitch melisa has a few followers. Bravo. Fuck off! Roosh is very respected by us so fuck off.
“I know, however, that the majority of men also look for a “package” when looking for a long term partner.”
That’s right, sweet-cheeks: The whole package. Beauty, fertility, femininity, loyalty, agreeableness, calmness, trustworthiness. Haggard, combative, grievance-mongering, delusional cunts need not apply.
“I agree that guys have gotten screwed in divorces. But some women have been left stranded by dead beat Dads. Men have been robbed, in many ways, in custody battles. Many women have been physically, sexually, verbally abused by so-called husbands/boyfriends.”
This is a brilliant exercise in *missing the fucking point*. The point you are answering is that *marriage is a terrible deal for men*. Your answer is to assert that sometimes some bad things happen to some women in some kinds of relationships. No proof, no stats, no *solid connection to marriage*, no mention of frequency, probability, or prevalence of any of it. But you graciously acknowledge that “guys have gotten screwed in divorces”, as if it’s some intermittent event akin to being mugged. Get stuffed.
“Maybe all you men with your bullshit “game” should move to a godamn foreign country. Do THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA a favor, and get your sorry asses off our soil. Fucking freak shows! I’d welcome a manosphere piece of shit, hit on my daughter. I’d tear him a new asshole!!”
This is a really beautiful piece of troll-work. Note the confluence of Internet Tough Guy, pseudo-jingoism (the all-caps “UNITED STATES OF AMERICA”, “our soil”) and white-knighting feminist delusion. How many men out there do you think legitimately hold all these views?
“Melissa, Casey & the other sane people: Don’t waste any more time. You’ll never change the way these guys think.”
It’s not necessarily a sign of mental illness to talk to yourself, but you should worry if you start getting answers.
“There’s also so many bizarre words and phrases made up by manosphere”
And since you’re intellectually lazy, you didn’t bother googling them and educating yourself.
“Halle Berry and Salma Hayek are good for now but their bodies must be all wrinkled. Really? Now that’s stupid.”
Says who? I had my share of 20-somethings and 30-somethings, wrinkles aren’t a myth, and Heartiste nailed it in here:
“The whole sex act is based on having children? No.”
OK, You just discredited yourself. I don’t usually talk to people who never heard of evolutionary psychology or sociobiology. But since i’m feeling magnanimous, here is a succint article to raise yourself from the muddy trenches of ignorance:
“You manosphere guys are definately the minority”
But we speak the truth. It’s your responsibility to either understand the male psyche and become a male friendly lady, without resorting to the pretty lies. Or chose the easy path of misandry and join the fat ranks of the male-hating lesbocunt sisterhood.
“But some women have been left stranded by dead beat Dads”
Because for the most part they chose to follow their vagina and slut it up during their most fertile years with badboy alpha jerks. Not my problem.
Thank feminism for encouraging women to seek sexual promiscuity like males.
As far as i’m concerned, it’s a good deal. The post-patriarchal order is a heaven for alpha males. But is it a sustainable civilizational order? No.
“Many women have been physically, sexually, verbally abused by so-called husbands/boyfriends”
Women are submissive by nature. They are free but most of the time, they choose to stick around their abusive partner and offer him support and sexual loyalty.
But what does a white knighting chivalrous woman-pedestalizing beta male get? “Let’s just be friends”, cuckolding, and divorce rape.
Look into the nature of your gender, before accusing males of all evil.
“This perpetual hatred certainly isn’t going to make things better.”
The war of the sexes is never going to end. It was more or less contained during patriarchy. Liberal feminism opened pandora’s box. There are those who choose hope and overlook human nature, and those who choose to loot on the post-apocalyptic ruins.
“You’ll never change the way these guys think.”
Exactly. But perhaps if you open your mind and read more, you can know where we’re coming from.
“I’m only 26. I’m in grad school and engaged.”
“I don’t know any women my age that are into men more than 10 years their senior.”
They do exist, more than the other way around. It’s difficult for older men to pull it off, without status and attractive personality traits. Cougars have no sucj power. As soon as they completely age out and the last ounce of their attractiveness fades, they lose any power they have over their young predator/fool of a mate.
And Aaron, shut the fuck up you freakin mangina.
Women are submissive by nature? Even if that’s true, does that somehow justify a man to physically or sexually abuse her? They are free but choose to stick around their abusive partner and offer him support and sexual loyalty? He deserves neither. He deserves prison, and being greeted by strong inmates that loathe women beaters. Did it ever cross your mind that she may stay because she is so scared that if she leaves, he will kill her or a loved one (has
happened)? Her spirit is also broken, as he has cleverly done this, making it very difficult to gain strength and confidence to leave the abuser. Complex subject.
The younger average joe. Nice guy, great personality, smart and wants to treat a girl like gold. What happens? The rejections and things you mention. But guess what? The same holds true for the younger plain jane. Women do not typically get the verbal rejections because they do not do the asking out for the most part. The average or not so good looking girl is as unfortunate as the young guy. Dateless. Both average looking younger people may have way more to offer than the hotties, both genders, but get overlooked. If some of those young guys approached women in the same physical appearance bracket as themselves (ie average), likely there would have been less rejections. And plain janes would have dated more, as well.
The problem lies in young people, period. Or rather HOT young people. Guys are arrogant and self centered. Girls are stuck up drama queens. These boys n girls are very superficial. Both genders of these young hotties have loose morals and sleep around (not all but a lot). It’s the sad reality of being young and beautiful. The girls are slutting it up, unfortunately. But the boys are too. Both genders are acting slutty in their younger beautiful years.
Average and below average looking young men and women experience rejection frequently.
But then comes maturity (or hopefully) as people grow up, and become adults. Some of the young men and women “wake up” & realize that chasing the hotties is probably a dead end street. Now they are receptive to dating those less “blessed” in the looks dept because they know there is more to a long term relationship than beauty. So we often see mismatched couples (appearance wise). Handsome guy with a plump average woman. Or a gorgeous woman with a short average joe. I see it. These scenarios happen to both genders. Some, however, live in a Peter Pan world for life.
These teens and early 20s people often reach this relationship maturation in their mid twenties to early 30s after experiencing all the BS. Some develop it sooner, likely mid to late twenties for women and early 30s for men though there is variation in this maturation. Some may not “get it ” until even later. Unfortunately, the dating scene really sucks for both genders wanting a long term relationship at this point. It took them a little too long to learn lessons, now well into their 30s, there aren’t many quality people out there
These cougar women with young men are as ridiculous as the older man with a very young woman. The young stud is likely with her for her money not her looks. Same applies to the pretty young thing. She’s in it for the money too, not his looks. The older wealthy average looking guy is the same as the older wealthy cougar women. The same. Why is it okay for one gender and not the other? Both are ridiculous. The cougar and older man are playing the same game. Ironically, if they are average looking (or below), they are hooking up with the same type of people that wronged them back in the day, the ones that wouldn’t give them even a smiling gesture. If the older cougar and well-to-do man are blessed with looks… well then… they just never fully matured & grew up. They may excel at certain things, but for relationships, they remain “stunted” & forever wander in an endless Peter Pan world. All cougars that chase young studs and all older men that chase young women, good looking or not, will eventually become washed up old hags and creepy old dudes. They will be alone and extremely delusional. Both genders.
There are important things that you men have to understand. Youth, fertility and beauty are not the only things that matter, in a long term relationship. With youth and beauty, sadly there is slutty behaviors (often & with both genders). Not saying it is right or wrong but it just is. There are always exceptions, but good luck finding it. As far as being a prime age of fertility for a young woman… and this being one of the only things a woman can offer, think again. Just because one can pop out babies, does not mean she will be a good mother. Same for a young stud with high quality sperm… may not be a good father. Fertility or lack there of has nothing to do with the ability of human beings to be good (or lousy) parents. A lot of people can be biological parents but it takes a lot more than that to be good mothers and fathers.
You want drop dead gorgeous, young early 20s, smoking hot body who will make your head spin in the bedroom (but be an innocent flower), fertile enough to fulfill your genetic destiny, mature enough to be an extraordinary mother, dedicated to keeping a nice house, putting delicious meals on the table (culinary skills come with experience, you know grandma’s cooking), staying fit and trim after having babies and baking cookies (hmmmm, that sounds easy!), and remain dedicated and loyal to her hubby of any age. Is this realistic? No.
I didn’t understand some terms. Cuckholding just seems like a bizarre fetish. That is certainly not the norm. The men and women in those relationships are repulsive. Divorce rape? Yes. But you cannot lump all women into that that sad reality. Men have gotten screwed in divorces. Probably married bitches & chose the wrong partner. And some women had babies with dead beat Dads. They married (or got involved with) assholes and chose the wrong partner. Works both ways. There will always be parasitic human beings, both males and females. They’re everywhere!
I am not a feminist. Never read any of that crap. I never was nor will I ever be a gold digger. If I had gotten married and had babies, I would have stayed married. If abuse, adultery or addiction led to divorce (not on my part), I would not have been a greedy bitch. Importance would have been for the father to always be in his childrens’ lives as long as he was a good Dad. I would put my own bad feelings aside.
You see me as the enemy. But I’m really not. I am not the old bitter spinster with a dozen cats. I am not the angry feminist dike that hates men. I am not the gold digger that divorced my hard working husband, draining his bank account & denying his rights as a father. I am not the slutty 22 year old clueless little girl. I am not the women who enjoys banging men as my submissive husband sits back and allows it. I am none of these things.
I am a normal 41 year old woman who is trying hard to wrap my head around all this hatred. There are good women out there. And ones that are older, 40+. They aren’t as hot as 20 somethings but there really is a lot more to life than physical beauty. A women can offer a lot more than just that. It’s very sad that some men cannot see or appreciate that. I appreciate good men, period.
Hasn’t the poor strawman suffered enough? Sheesh.
“These teens and early 20s people often reach this relationship maturation in their mid twenties to early 30s after experiencing all the BS. Some develop it sooner, likely mid to late twenties for women …”
Funny how this “maturity” hits women just as their looks fade and their ability to carousel it up declines.
Why is it okay for one gender and not the other?
The word you’re looking for is “sex”, not “gender”. And the reason why it’s “ok” (more accurately: normal and not silly) for one and not the other has its roots in the reality that *the sexes are different*. You claim that you’re not a feminist, so that idea shouldn’t present any problems for you.
“There are important things that you men have to understand. Youth, fertility and beauty are not the only things that matter…”
You clueless dolt. Alongside beauty and fertility, I listed: “femininity, loyalty, agreeableness, calmness, [and] trustworthiness”. I think you just can’t stand the idea that men prize beauty, and that men here are steadfast in their conviction that its absence is a dealbreaker.
“You want drop dead gorgeous, young early 20s, smoking hot body who will make your head spin in the bedroom (but be an innocent flower), fertile enough to fulfill your genetic destiny, mature enough to be an extraordinary mother, dedicated to keeping a nice house, putting delicious meals on the table (culinary skills come with experience, you know grandma’s cooking), staying fit and trim after having babies and baking cookies (hmmmm, that sounds easy!), and remain dedicated and loyal to her hubby of any age. Is this realistic? No.”
On the contrary. There are a lot of good-looking women out there … I’d go so far as to say that the average young woman is pretty attractive, so long as she resists the temptation to stuff her piehole at every opportunity. Most women enjoy sex — even the demure ones. Fertility is hardly hard to come by in women *of the appropriate age*, and the skills of a wife and mother can be acquired by any woman of reasonable character, intelligence, and goodwill who wants to develop them. It’s entirely possible for a woman to retain a reasonable figure after bearing children, which leaves only dedication and loyalty on your list of unrealistic asks. I guess I have a higher opinion of women than you do.
“You see me as the enemy. But I’m really not.”
You are the enemy of truth, and the champion of lies. Fuck you.
“Be yourself, be a good man, and treat your girl like gold. You will be rewarded greatly.”
Thanks, I’ll remember that if I ever find myself trapped in a Meg Ryan movie.
However, I’m guessing that most of the guys here want advice that works in the real world on real chicks.
Rude comments coming from those talking out of their asses. Ten, twenty years from now, they will be alone and on websites like this venting their anger and frustration. No need to waste time trying to figure it out, not worth it. Twenty & some of the others are insignificant turds that will always and forever be the minority.
I agree with Melissa on many points she made:
1) good relationship takes more than youth and fertility;
2) men who are looking for LTR with women that are younger 15 years or more – are likely to be disappointed later (however I’ve seen few healthy relationships where woman was 15-20 years younger);
3) in marriage and LTR, abuses are taking place on both sides – some women rob men thru divorce, and some men fcuk women while misleading them about their true intentions and then leave for a younger one (which many of us are guilty of :-) )
However, I think that like many Western women, Melissa doesn’t understand what majority of men are really looking for (when they are not being “politically correct” to conform to society norms).
In my humble opinion (which I share with all of my male friends, and probably most readers of this site), men don’t look in women for “a great friend to grow together”, or being in “equal and fair partnership”, or her “accomplishments”, her intelligence etc. Basically, all men want is:
2) to be a MAN (to have a leading role, not an “equal partner”)
3) to be with a feminine woman who accepts her role as a woman;
I competely agree with many posters on this thread reagarding feminist women who are trying to impose their gender-role views on the whole society. Feminists are pathetic, they are absolute minority, and they shudn’t be given that much influence in media and public education. (that said, I must add that I absolutely love regular women (of “feminine” variety), and even get some sort of respect for them as I get older (Im in my late 20-s, so far I went thru about 100 women to gain that respect for them :-) )
PS … And all this talk about women in their 40-s and their looks, I think the situation is obvious to everyone on both sides of debate… But women being women, they want to look good at all ages, so let them be, Im sure there are lots of men in their 50s 60s 70s who wud appreciate it and be more than happy to fcuk them.
(though no doubt – Naomi Wolf is completely delusional, Roosh’s article is right to the point)
“Twenty & some of the others … will always and forever be the minority.”
The wheel turns, my anonymous friend. The wheel turns.
I am a 55 year old man dating a 19 year old girl… FOR SATAN!!!
I am so confused after reading all the comments. Do the men here want to just bang women, date, or get into serious commited relationships? Do they want sluts or respectable women with morals? Do they want boring, dull, ditsy, hot, young, gullible girls that will fall for the “game” or moderately attractive natural beauties that are interesting and smart, less likely to fall for phony or exaggerated behaviors of PUAs, and have attributes to make great wives and mothers?
Seems like you want both. Or you want neither. Huh? Very confusing. You want to bang young hotties but then put them down. You call them sluts. You want to marry a girl that is virgin-like to be a good mother to your children. But you’re too busy collecting “flags”, “notches” or whatever you want to call these conquests to even notice their existence.
Are the men here misogynists? Do you love or hate women? Or you love having sex with them and abusing them but hate “them”? Or are some men here just shy, and need advice on ways to meet women? Seems like a mixed bag. The latter should think twice about seeking advice from the likes of Roosh V., a man who travels overseas to get laid, writes about it, and then makes money off of you!
Wolf makes money off her books, but so does Doosh V.
These tactics will never work for those seeking a relationship. But if looking for just casual sex, it may work if you are persistant. Cheesy lines, exaggerated stories about yourself, backhanded compliments, BS scripted converations… may allow you to bang a hottie for 10 minutes after 100 attempts. If that’s what you consider success, knock yourself out.
You got it all right. We want to fuck sluts and put them down, and then marry a virgin-like madonna in order to be sure that the kids will be ours.
That’s how men operated for millenia. Only manginas and gullible women-pedestalizing betas think this is unfair. You must not forget that the male and female reproductive strategies are quite similar and colliding (ever heard of the cad/dad dichotomy, it’s the female equivalent of the madonna/whore syndrom). Good luck trying to put an end to the war of the sexes.
The problem now is that too many women (more than ever) are overt or undercover sluts, so it’s way too difficult to trust any particular woman. And sexual freedom liberated women’s hypergamy and allowed them to exert their clear preference for alpha cads.
Beta males are left in the cold, because their regular jobs are no more enough to impress the status-seeking modern educated working women, and their social skills are borderline autistically retarded because of a feminized mainstream culture. They cannot act like males because the male behavior is demonized by women in hindsight (but gina tingling when directly witnessed). Game and seduction science is their revenge against all these cultural changes.
All these ideas are analyzed, dissecated and discussed ùaonly by In Malafide and Heartiste. Roosh shares some of their views but privileges pickup and game tips.
“These tactics will never work for those seeking a relationship.”
Keep tellin yourself that, if it helps you sleep at night.
You talk about relationships and emotional bonding as the ultimate goal of human life. It may be, but many men make a trade-off between endless sexual conquests and deep emotional bonding. Both lifestyles have their rewards and shortcomings.
“Cheesy lines, exaggerated stories about yourself, backhanded compliments, BS scripted converations… may allow you to bang a hottie for 10 minutes after 100 attempts.”
That’s the dumbest description of game that i ever heard. It’s way more than that. And it doesn’t work only on sluts and low self esteem chicks. It’s quite the opposite, the smartest girls tend to fall harder for a successful game mastery. Dumb bar sluts are prone to fall for assholish behavior and raw displays of male dominance.
Maybe you didn’t read the mystery method, or you fell for its mainstream interpretation. It’s not about “cheesy lines”, it’s about breaking down the seduction process. Canned material is designed to help beginners who aren’t ready yet to rely entirely on their acquired conversational skills. But ultimately, all the steps become internalized and the knowledge tends to fuse with the core persona of the learner.
But if you’re afraid of a cognitive dissonance, you can stick to your flawed understanding of these matters.
Now that you dropped your engaging bitchy bravado attitude and adopted a more feminine posture, we can have a civilized talk and avoid name calling. Maybe your last comment is only a catty display of female vulnerability, but it’s enough for me to respect your opinion.
You know, the main reason chivalry is so rare these days is because it relies on one tacit agreement: Men will protect women only if women treat men like their protectors.
Femininity 101: Embrace your vulnerable side to be treated like a lady. Act like a ballbusting cunt and you will be crushed by the strongest men, ignored by the most valuable, and idolized by the weakest.
“does that somehow justify a man to physically or sexually abuse her?”
No, but it’s an effective way to keep her around.
“Did it ever cross your mind that she may stay because she is so scared that if she leaves, he will kill her or a loved one (has
You don’t understand. Emotional abuse and physical violence are morally reprehensible and a sign of weakness as far as i’m concerned.
But the fact that women tend to tolerate them more than they would ever tolerate neediness, pedestalizing or any sign of weakness in a man shows that male dominance in reasonable doses is healthy for a relationship.
“But guess what? The same holds true for the younger plain jane”
Fact: women never struggle to get sex, they struggle to get commitment from a desirable mate.
Actually, what i’m trying to say is what we witness in today’s colleges: A minority of men oligopolizes a majority of women.
Maybe 20% of men (athletes, playboys, rich guys, AVERAGE LOOKING smooth talkers…) fuck around with 60% of women (including many plain janes). 30% of men and women are monogamous and the rest (many men, a few women) remain pretty much sexless.
Fact 2: Many women prefer to share a highly desirable man than to settle with an average one.
“If some of those young guys approached women in the same physical appearance bracket as themselves (ie average), ”
Its annoying that you don’t want to acknowledge that looks don’t matter as much for men as for women.
Beauty in a woman is her only weapon in the dating scene. For a man, it’s way more complicated. Handsomeness will only get him so far without other qualities to back it up, like assertiveness, style, status…
Most importantly, it’s difficult for you to grasp that an average looking guy can bang hot chicks, and not only the dumbest, craziest, lowest self esteem ones.
That’s where game gains its importance, it allows men (in the pickup seminars and “bootcamps”, many men are good looking, rich and nevertheless dateless) to work on the personality traits that women find attractive. And it’s a huge blow for those, including you and some others on this thread, who think that the laws of the sexual market are never-changing.
“The problem lies in young people, period. Or rather HOT young people. ”
There you go again. For the last time, attractiveness in a man is not only dependent on his looks.
“The girls are slutting it up, unfortunately. But the boys are too. ”
A-ha! Double standard alert. The term “slut” is designed for women. You cannot shame a philandering man the way you shame a loose slut.
That’s where the deep seated differences between the sexes are difficult to acknowledge for the modern woman.
As i said, it’s easy for a woman to get sex. Getting it from many men is not an achievement. It’s not that easy for a man to pull it off and even if he may be socially shamed for it, on a primal level, he is recognised as a high value desirable man.
It’s the preselection principle. If you see a man in a place and he’s surrounded by a bunch of intrigued attracted women, you’re gonna find him desirable. Other women chose him, so he’s valuable. Rock stars and crooners get their endless pussy flow thanks to this ancient hardwired attraction trigger in women.
A woman who has spent her most valuable years on the cock carousel has certainly been damaged in the process. She will be high infidelity risk, and will probably resent men for all her sentimental failures.
You can reply that the philandering man is also high infidelity risk and there comes the ultimate double standard: a cheating wife is way worse than a cheating husband.
A husband who cheats is being cruel because he broke the emotional bond and mutual trust. But female infidelity is not only infidelity, it’s treason. Why? because of pregnancy, damn it.
The marriage institution is based on an ancient deal: men are never certain of paternity, therefore they exchange their resources and providing abilities for the certainty of perpetuating their genes.
In a marriage, the most valuable thing a woman can offer is her sexual loyalty. Everything else: support, nurturing, companionship… is irrelevant if the main deal is not respected.
You may find that many of these concepts are weird or too old-school, but it’s how our species evolved. Many people naturally understand these cincepts, but many others are too brainwashed by the egalitarian culture to act on them.
“Some of the young men and women “wake up” ”
Men generally have little sympathy or patience for reformed sluts who “woke up” or suddenly “grew up” because the clock is ticking and their attractiveness starts to fade. They should have known better before jumping on the cock carousel and lowering their marriage market value.
On the other hand, a former playboy never struggles to find an attractive decent wife.
Get this: Women are the gate keepers of sex. Men are the gate keepers of commitment. If the sex gates are wide open, the commitment gates tend to close.
That’s the way of human life, the last 30 years were a kind of exception, now things start slowly to return back to normal. And the first sign is the growing reluctance of men to commit.
“These cougar women with young men are as ridiculous as the older man with a very young woman”
For women, the first pattern (cougar/young man) is ridiculous and the second one (old man/young woman) is enraging.
For men, the first pattern is pathetic, the second one is quite normal.
“Same applies to the pretty young thing. She’s in it for the money too, not his looks”
Depends, sometimes the man can even be aware of the little arrangement. But if the man knows what he’s doing, he can overcome the age difference.
The cougar situation on the other hand is desperate and ultmately doomed.
“Why is it okay for one gender and not the other? Both are ridiculous.”
For you, maybe because you are a woman, and you don’t see things from an evolutionary perspective (women are primarily attracted to status, men are primarily attracted to beauty and curves).
“Is this realistic? No.”
For a high status male who has game and who has options, that scenario is quite realistic. That’s why men are encouraged to develop their seduction skills, along with their social status.
Many “perfect” women as you depict them still exist, unfortunately not so much in America, that’s why Roosh looks elsewhere (the other reason is spicing things up).
“I didn’t understand some terms. Cuckholding just seems like a bizarre fetish.”
Cuckolding is a fetish for some weirdos. I’m not talking about the fetish. Cuckolding is the term for female infidelity (and subsequently hoisting another man’s child to her primary partner). For most men, it is an unconscious fear that explains male jealousy and their concern about their woman’s sexual history.
Raising another man’s child unknowingly is one of the worst life scenarios for a man. Women seem oblivious to that fact. Cuckolding for a man is comparable or even worse than rape for a woman:
“Probably married bitches & chose the wrong partner”
The “wrong partner” is not the only explanation for divorce rape. Many perfectly nice women turn into callous bitches once love is gone, especially if thei husband is too weak. One of the “flaws” of your gender is that on a personal level, you are merciless towards weak men. But that’s life, we suck it up and deal with it.
“I am not a feminist. Never read any of that crap.”
You could have fooled me with your initial attack on the gentlemen on this blog.
“I never was nor will I ever be a gold digger. If I had gotten married and had babies, I would have stayed married. If abuse, adultery or addiction…”
I would never do this. I would never do that. Many women talk like that. It’s not about what you say, it’s about what you do, and how you act.
Maybe what you say is true, but the way you engaged us in a confrontation with no feminine class whatsoever is enough to classify you as not worthy of committment.
You have an objection to the purpose of this site, call us out on it quietly in a tempered, calm, perceptive way. Your initial bitchy tantrum is the signature of a ballcutting shrike with male-hating issues.
“I am a normal 41 year old woman who is trying hard to wrap my head around all this hatred.”
The “hatred” comes from:
- Women in their young age are not attracted only to good-looking guys, that would be acceptable. They are attracted primarily to arrogant hypermasculine jerks, therefore:
- Men who were raised to believe that women are wonderful creatures who need to be treated like princesses are left in the cold. Once again, it’s NOT ABOUT LOOKS.
- When they open their eyes through game and seduction skills,, they get an insight into female nature, and it’s not pretty.
- Women are attracted on a primal level to displays of male power. And at the same time, since they don’t know what they want, they claim to want a nice guy who will treat them well. What they forget forget to say is that the man first has to be a masculine alpha with an assertive leading personality, and he should be nice to HER.
- We hate feminism and feminist authors like naomi wolf because they are clueless about human nature. They are delusional about many topics and they fooled many men into believing that women want equal partners. YOU DO NOT. You want to be led, not in a violent or abusive way, but you are submissive by nature and you need a real man. Many men wasted their lifes because they were too accomodating, submissive, compromising with their wives and they have been disrespected and rejected because of that. They thought they were doing “the right thing”. If they manned up, maybe they could have preserved their dignity.
We hate feminism because it led many men to lose touch with their masculinity, and many women to lose touch with their femininity.
“A women can offer a lot more than just that.”
Sure, but it’s highly preferable to bring beauty, youth, and sexual innocence to the table. Otherwise, marriage sounds like a really bad deal. Especially if the man has the financial edge.
“I appreciate good men, period.”
We love and respect good women too. But we love/hate sluts, and we hate agressive bitches.
189 – Well done… very well stated!
With all honesty, a lot of what you said makes sense, but I cannot agree with it all, and I think some concepts, opinions & beliefs are way off.
I accidently stumbled on this crazy ass site. I had no clue who Wolf or Roosh were. So keep in mind, I had no idea what this site was all about. I still don’t understand a lot of terminology & abbreviations. I started scrolling down, reading comments that blew me away. Women seemed to be lumped into “ugly” classifications. I was infuriated and sad at the same time.
I never viewed myself as “old” at 41. My god, 41!!! I’m thinking WTF. Add ugly, washed up, undesirable, useless, bitchy feminist with nasty female body parts… to the discussion of women in my age bracket, and it felt very personal. It’s actually hurtful to know there are men who think so little of women that they will dedicate so much time and energy in trashing them. After reading these things, it was very difficult to approach a discussion in a gentle mild mannered way. Impossible actually.
That’s why I tried adding a human element to it, asking whether you had daughters or mothers that you love and respect. A lot of guys through out names of actors trying to back up the idea of men aging better. Someone else mentioned some beautiful female celebrities. I tried explaining that I have seen women age gracefully, as well. Many of which are married or involved so they really do not care about the “scene”. These women are still beautiful regardless of aging. They are human beings. Useful in many ways, whether it be a role of mother, wife, friend, sister, grandmother, co-worker, neighbor, etc. So they are not useful in the dating/banging/courting “market” but they are important.
The blog came across as just being disrespectful towards all women. It seemed like there were only two categories: young, beautiful sluts or washed up bitter old hags. The truth is there are many more similarities between the sexes than you care to see. I am on the “same page” as my boyfriend than I am with a lot of my female friends. We are so similar in so many ways, and I think that’s why things are so damn good.
It seems odd to think a man’s behavior can be disgusting ( ie. disrespectful & with many sex partners) but expect to meet an innocent young beauty during all these “romps”. A young woman of good character would desire the same.
Trust me, women would not prefer sharing a man. Trust me on this one. Cheating is not and never will be acceptable to 95% of women. She would choose the average faithful man over the dominant desirable one for certain. That desirable man becomes very undesirable when he cannot keep his pants on! And a man can get another woman pregnant. That’s not bad? What about that scenario? You don’t think there’s been wonderful faithful wives that have been loyal and dedicated to then have her husband knock up another woman. That is no okay! That is a horrible hurtful betrayal. I’m sorry but is just as bad as a unfaithful wife getting pregnant by another man.
Women that may stay with this cheating man or the abusive man are the ones that are too submissive, ones that do not have survival skills, ones that did not pursue an education or skilled trade, ones who lack confidence and strength. Women should never be in this helpless situation. They are not happy. They are not just being agreeable and calm. They are not okay with it. They are “dead” inside.
You are angry at all the wrong that men have experienced.
But my god, women have been too, big time.
Marriages fail for complex reasons. Too complex to even get into. But it really does boil down to two people that were never meant to be. Warning signs are usually there but ignored. People marry for convenience and the wrong reasons. Both men and women have done a great job making a mockery out of the institution of marriage. Both are guilty. Cheating, abuse, addictions occur with both genders. But you seem to place most of the blame on women, and it is just not so!
I see your point about average men being able to get women a lot younger than themselves and very beautiful ones too. Fine. But that does not change my view that most of these encounters will not lead to a long term relationship. Perhaps, that’s not what you’re looking for. And if the younger, pretty woman is aware of your intentions then no harm ( or at least I don’t think so ).
And it is still not terribly common to see these somewhat “mismatched” couples. Though I acknowledge the possibilty of it happening.
I don’t think long term / marriage will happen in MOST cases. Young people are not equipped to get married. Women between the ages of 18-24 may have womenly bodies but their mentality is just slighly more mature than that of a teen age girl. Emotionally & spiritually they are not adults yet. They haven’t even discovered themselves. Of course they don’t know what the hell they want! So it seems strange that an adult man 10, 15, 20+ years older with all kinds of life experiences would think that this young woman would be a good life long partner. It is likely they would not listen to the same music, share similar beliefs, and share similar hobbies & activities.
The beliefs, hobbies, interests are huge! Many husbands and wives have absolutely nothing in common. This leads to misery which leads to divorce. If you were an avid skiier
who loved travelling, fine dining, world history, boating, fishing and loved Tobey Keith & country music… would you rather spend your entire life with a significantly younger woman who hated planes, preferred BK, and interests included clothes shopping, make-up, dancing, an hip hop music OR with a woman (of any age) who is equally as physically attractive but has travelled to exotic destinations, skiied challenging slopes in the U.S., took extensive courses in culinary arts, and interests include sailing, fishing, camping and going to country/rock concerts?
The much better fit is the latter. And likely she will not be 22 years old. Young women marrying is a recipe for disaster. And it is not logical to think otherwise. There are exceptions, but not many. Young men marrying young is even more disasterous. Neither are equipped with life experiences to prepare them for this level of commitment. Women should not marry under the age of 28. Men should not marry under the age of 32.
Too young. Too stupid. Mismatched couples with no common beliefs/interests/goals. Adultery, abuse, addiction. Sexual incompatibility. All these things lead to divorce.
Feminity encompasses so many things but I think your view is very “blind”. Yes, I like my man to protect me. I have shown my vulnerable side. My guy is by no means wimpy. He’s short in height but as an avid hockey player will not back down to anyone regardless of size. I love his ruggedness and masculinity. I have a very nurturing soft side. But you know what, I have masculine traits too. And I shouldn’t feel like I’m a freak because someone says it’s not proper. I value education. If I had had children, I would have encouraged it for both genders. I don’t like cooking. Why? Because I suck at it. I’ll burn a godamn house down! My boyfriend is a killer cook and loves cooking, a big passion of his. When I work out I prefer weight training. When I was a kid, I liked climbing trees, playing sports, and playing with race cars and robots. I’m into any activity that involves speed and a bit of danger. My boyfriend shares similar interests. I am loyal 110%. Sex is extremely rewarding because we both give and recieve and both have high sex drives. He’s a handyman (electrician by trade) so he’s good with all the household stuff. I’m better with money and finances. He is masuline because he is the protector and expresses dominant traits but he can show a nurting caring side too. Chivalry is not dead. A man that can show a warm side by holding his son’s hand, or crying at his daughter’s graduation, or sitting by his sick wife’s bedside, can kiss a puppy, & help an elderly person walk across the street is a real man.
“She would choose the average faithful man over the dominant desirable one for certain.”
Ok … no. You’re wrong. This is the opposite of true. This is exactly the kind of bullshit that gets men who know better so worked up.
“And a man can get another woman pregnant. That’s not bad? What about that scenario? You don’t think there’s been wonderful faithful wives that have been loyal and dedicated to then have her husband knock up another woman.”
You *really* have a problem with the idea of frequency and probability, don’t you? All too many of your arguments boil down to “some man some where did wrong by some woman at least once, so, see, it’s all even, people are people, don’t draw distinctions or consider differences or try to make any sense of the world that might involve saying that some *particular* faults are more common to women, or that, just maybe, it’s the distaff sex that is totally out of fucking control today”.
“OR with a woman (of any age) who is equally as physically attractive but has travelled to exotic destinations, skiied challenging slopes in the U.S., took extensive courses in culinary arts …”
Oh lord. Why o why o why do women think that travel makes them attractive? *I don’t give a shit about your vacations*. (Or, heavens forfend, your stint in the Peace Corps.) As for skiing, I couldn’t care less if a girl skis double-diamonds or falls on the bunny slopes. Actually — I take that back. DD chick probably spends way too much time on the mountain to take care of her man properly.
“Young women marrying is a recipe for disaster.” FFS. Our civilization was *built* by men and women who married young. Read some history. This is dumbest thing I’ve read today.
“Women should not marry under the age of 28.” Except for this. 28 is at least 3 years on the wrong side.
“But you know what, I have masculine traits too. And I shouldn’t feel like I’m a freak because someone says it’s not proper.”
And here, gentlemen, is the psychological heart of feminism laid bare. Masculine women don’t want to feel bad. It’s not enough for them to make their way in the world, we must all tear down the pillars of civilization so that their eyes and ears need not be assaulted by any unpleasant truths — the world must burn so that they not feel like the freaks of nature that they are.
Twenty & other guys on here… best of luck!
A couple thoughts on effective arguing.
1. Using celebrities as anecdotal examples of attractive old people isn’t a good idea. Anyone under 70 can look good if they exercise like crazy, have a makeup artist, and have perfectly tailored clothes. Drinking the blood of Christian babies staves off menopause too.
2. Potty mouth just provides ammunition for your opponent, so if you want to be taken seriously lay off all the words like bitch, cunt, pussy, asshole, shitcock, fuckface, dickweed, titty sprinkles, dingleberry pie-eating taint mouthed asschode, shit-sniffing jello-tittied anthropomorphic hemmerhoid, and so on.
3. Men that spend their free time commenting on internet forums tend not to be the type of men who beat their wives, so implying physically abusive tendencies is a big ‘ol load of nonsensical ad hominem bullshit.
Melissa… your dogs must be lonely. Why don’t you go give them a belly rub?
Just kidding. Given that there’s nothing else for you to do in your spare time, they must be getting sick of you by now.
The truth will set you free, first it will really piss you off, but eventually it will set you free.
Ladies, what I humbly suggest you do is print out RooshV.com’s “42 Things Wrong With American
Women” and put a check mark beside each infraction you do. Then stop doing them. Even an angry, bitter, insecure (divorced)42-year-old woman or a really-happy-with-my-beta-male-but-wish-I-was-fucking-an-alpha 26-year-old female Graduate will notice a difference in the way she is treated by men and fiances. (Pay particular attention to how the men here describe Femininity–then do it).
Then, go back to the beginning of RooshV.com (including DC Bachelor) and read everything that is posted here, including the comments. Do not look for contradictions. DO NOT COMMENT. There is some incredible advice here for women, (who lurk only) even though the site is intended for a male audience. You may not agree with everything that RooshV.com believes in, however, this is an inspirational site. A good rule of thumb to follow: if something is written about 3 or more times, it is important to a man, (eg., sex and looks). If you want to be important to a man, you will need to heed the advice written here.
Then, go to the Forum, get a Login so you have access to the photos, etc.(Very important if you want to deal with the reality that exists today!). Read the forum like a book, from the beginning. DO NOT COMMENT. It will give you a great insight into the most fascinating characters that men are. Be the ultimate lurker. You will read some of the most enlightening things about men–what they say, do, and think. Deep truths are told and will change the way you look at all your relationships with men (whether at work, with family, through daily interactions, etc.). It will make your life better.
Ladies, when you get really angry or hurt or insecure or cry yourself to sleep because of what you’ve read, check your calendar–your period is probably going to start next week! This is a sight that will force you, as a woman, to ask: “Why does this sight make me so angry? And make me want to post things that try to contradict the truth that is so concisely written here?” Yet, once it starts to settle in your brain, the reason and logic behind a significant amount of what is written here makes sense. Common sense. And the thing about common sense is that it is not all that common.
Don’t take anything here too seriously, after all, you are a woman, and the intended audience (and thus voice of the site) is for men. Part of the genius of RooshV.com is its sardonic and ironic humor. Don’t forget to look here to have a good honest spit-my-coffee-all-over-the-monitor, LOL as well.
Round out your reading by looking at Heartiste. RooshV.com will wound your feminine pride, but Heartiste will actually scar your soul until you as a woman actually make changes.
PS Feminism is based on a false premise, anything that is reasoned from a false premise is a fallacy. That premise is that men and women are equal. Men and women are not equal. Men and women are different. It is a scientific fact that men and women are different. The differences are complementary and necessary.
PPS If all else fails, stop reading the site and go to a community college and take a human biology course.
The first belief that women hold to that needs to be dashed is that girls/women are more “mature” than men. The fact that women are more geared towards “serious” relationships, or “settling down” doesn’t make them more mature. It’s a biological/emotional need, and the clock ticking within dictates that you need to get “serious” and snag the best guy you can to get all those things you want. Then once you have them the man you snagged becomes less important to you. That doesn’t sound like maturity to me.
In my experience, men are far more interesting and curious about the world around them, and more interested in broadening themselves. True independence is fostered in men, while many women who brag about their supposed independence CAN’T WAIT to give it up. Those women who claim they “sacrificed” or “gave up” their careers (more like jobs, not careers) for family couldn’t wait to quit. There’s no shame in that, but admit to it, and stop making it sound like this great sacrifice when all you ever wanted was a man to take you away from all that day-to-day drudgery.
This is the older woman’s dilemma.
Yes, they now have all that life experience, wisdom and accomplishment. They now believe themselves to be so much more FASCINATING then when they were innocent 20 year olds.
And yet…and yet…they seemed to have got A LOT more attention when they were younger. Guys were “so nice and interested in whatever fell out of their young mouths.”
Now they realize they weren’t really that “interesting” at all then. Just much hotter looking. And no one wants to hear what they have to say anymore.
Women don’t really want good men, they want alpha men who also happen to be good. Sometimes even the “good” isn’t necessary; however, the “alpha” ALWAYS is.
Women will shower a lot more affection on alpha men who are not good, than on good men who are not alpha.
True, most women prefer that their husbands, boyfriends etc. have good moral character. But a man must be “alpha” (i.e. attractive) in a woman’s eyes before his good character will mean anything to her, at least as far as dating/relationships are concerned.
“6) What is up with flags & Roosh? A flag means a guy gets laid… yes? No? If so… this guy is 32? Now that’s sad. That sounds like a game 15 year old boys would play ( maybe even girls too ). You’re taking advice & reading books from this guy? That’s beyond sad.”
There was once a wealthy man who walked up to a guy fishing by the pond. He asked him, “How is it possible for you to sit here and fish, day in, day out?” The man fishing responded: “You go to work to make money. You make money to support your family well, save up, retire. And what will you do when you retire? You’ll sit and fish all day. So I skipped all those years of stress and went straight to the end goal.”
Moral of the story is, Roosh here decided that his purpoe in life is to enjoy himself. And he decided that the way he’d do that is by banging lots and lot of women. As long as he can support his travels, he’s happy with little posessions and no fancy job title. In other words, the image of a 32 year old that you have, as a ‘mature” (read: boring) adult, Roosh and many on here choose not to follow. So yes, we like playing “15 year old games”.
Are all you men Alphas? Or do you just want to be? What attributes make a man Alpha & what attributes make one Beta?
Can an Alpha not be a player, and can he fall in love with one woman and be faithful? Is it possible that an Alpha would prefer this meaningful lifestyle as opposed to Roosh’s “bang as many women as possible” mentality?
I’d like to understand this whole Alpha/Beta concept in the eyes of the PUA community.
Is Roosh an Alpha male? If you think so, why? Because he has banged plenty of foreign chics (or at least claims he has)? Have you met him in person to accurately determine whether he’s charismatic? Have you seen him hit on a girl that’s already chatting to a 6’4″, 250 lb Hells Angel? Is he a leader? Does he run a business? Play a physical contact sport? Does Roosh have a lot of guy friends, real tangible ones that like hanging out with him because he oozes confidence and is a chic magnet? The answer to most of these questions is “NO”. He is not a leader in the workplace. He clearly cannot get any women he wants; hence, the need to travel to foreign countries. I read a few of his nonsensical “stuff” (ie. 42 Things wrong with American women, LOL) & he is not’s not the brightest bulb. Physically, he is far from being an Alpha. He is a grungy, wimpy looking little fellow. I feel bad for him actually.
I’ve decided that I am an Alpha female & not a drop dead gorgeous one, but moderately attractive. Like my male counterpart, it has always and will always be easy to get attention from the opposite sex.
I’m sure your idea of Alpha women is way off. Real men with confidence will love Alpha women. The Alpha-Alpha duo can be wildly dynamic, constantly and “playfully” challenging one another, paving an exciting future together, one not lacking in risk & adventure… this combo does not have to butt heads. The sexy Alpha woman’s confidence enables her to step back just “hair” to give her sexy Alpha man room to shine.
There’s also no such thing as being 100% Alpha (or it is insanley rare). An Alpha individual just has a lot of desirable Alpha qualities. These qualities dominate their personalities, and their auras are magnetic and intoxicating. But these successful Alphas (success in all areas: work, love, friends, health, etc.) retain some Beta traits. The ones that allow individuality, monogamy, compassion, kindness, romance, loyalty & devotion (just to name a few). There is a magical blend of both, which is very hard to put into words, that women look for in men or at least a long term partner.
Alpha men and women who have mastered the art of having a healthy balance of Alpha-Beta traits are the happy successful people with rewarding lives. This is not Roosh. This is not the pick up artist. This is not the ASSHOLE. They may play the field when they are young but are not cruel, inhuman creeps. When ready for commitment, they know what they want & they get it! These Alpha men that have that perfect blend of Beta traits desire a sexy Alpha woman over the ditsy dull hottie WHEN LOOKING FOR A LTR. The Alpha women exudes sexuality, seduction, confidence, strength & feminity all wrapped into a very exciting spicy “package” that men would love to unwrap. The hottie with looks only wouldn’t stand a chance.
The last post was from me! I’d also like to know about how you define Alpha-Beta. Maybe these labels are causing a lot of problems. Perhaps, everyone should just strive to make themselves better. Simple concept. But it might work, along with ditching the labels & stereotyping of men and women. Build confidence, hit the gym, eat right, try new things, discover what you’re good at, be a decent human being, build on character, learn morals, don’t play silly games, excel at work even if not in a leadership position (or quit what you do if you hate it and pursue a new career path), live out your passions and/or discover what they are, learn to fight (physically and verbally), take care of your skin and teeth, get a little sun (it’s good for you) so you have a sexy tan, smile every day and often, smile at strangers, lighten up, become a excellent lover (may take a lot of work but a guy into one night stands is often a lousy lover), stop judging others and pay attention to your godamn flaws & work on them, perfect your strengths, discover a physical sport or adventurous activity that you enjoy, explore, travel, learn to become a great conversationalist, be a little silly ( a kid at heart ), be respectful of others, give direct eye contact and stand tall. I could go on and on… The point is, become a better well rounded person and you won’t have to become an asshole nor will you have to follow this PUA nonsense. Ditch the stupid labels.
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An alpha female is a beautiful one. In the seduction community, the term alpha is designed for the individuals who are most attractive to the opposite sex.
An average-looking hyperactive leading female can be described as a “type A personality” or in your case, “a ballbusting cunt”.
Don’t project much, men don’t care about your achievements or credentials (in the sense that it doesn’t give them a boner, while a woman can have a gina tingle in front of a successful man). We care about your looks, youth and femininity. Strength and femininity don’t match.
You are a classic pump and dump victim. Keep spinning that hamster, you won’t be the first nor the last one.
“They may play the field when they are young but are not cruel, inhuman creeps. When ready for commitment, they know what they want & they get it”
Most men here don’t want to enjoy the sloppy hundreds of alpha bad boys. You can’t have your cake and eat it. If you wanna play the field, go ahead, but don’t expect a valuable man settling for a devastated vagina.
Sadly, one of the unfair laws of human nature is that philandering men have more success with women, and can “settle” with any particular one at any particular time. But a promiscuous woman is a slut and loses value in the commitment market.
“But these successful Alphas (success in all areas: work, love, friends, health, etc.) retain some Beta traits. The ones that allow individuality, monogamy, compassion, kindness, romance, loyalty & devotion”
True, but these high quality men are looking for high quality feminine women, not reformed sluts who are strong and confident.
“The Alpha women exudes sexuality, seduction, confidence, strength & feminity all wrapped into a very exciting spicy “package” that men would love to unwrap. The hottie with looks only wouldn’t stand a chance.”
“seduction, confidence, strength” are masculine qualities. You don’t really “seduce” a man. He is the one who approaches you, he is already attracted, you can have him if you want, but he has to seduce you first.
OK I didn’t notice that the 202 was from Melissa. Listen, you’re either a troll or you don’t wanna understand our viewpoint despite the most sincere efforts to present it clearly.
If you really want to understand the psychology of a player, go read Heartiste. As #196 said, it will scar your soul but it will enlighten you to an extent.
If you don’t want to understand us guys, get off PUA blogs. There are plenty of average dudes out there who don’t share our views and are not aware of our existence.
And your comments reek attention whoring. Back off or start asking intelligent questions. Your useless rants do not intimidate nor convince anyone here.
Funny. I just read a snippet in one of the celeb mags at how Jim Carey (49) uploaded a video on his site talking about Emma Stone (22) and how he wants to marry her and have sex with her. Emma is currently dating (28) year old Andrew Garfield, and once she got wind of his confession, she found it amusing but “creepy” and so did her parents.
yes there are some young women who will date older men half their age – but its not the norm or in regular general situations. Plus who would all the young men their age have to date if all young women dated men much older than them? usually the old men are extremely wealthy with resources. But its not the majority. Often times these young women with these old men are not physically attracted to these men, they use them for money and resources. They still physically desire young men their age and often cheat on the side with them when they can.
If it were that easy for men to marry and date half their age, we’d see it a lot more and would have very little ire from men on aging women. The fact there is so much nasty comments about older women here says that most men realize they will not be able to pull a woman half their age after 40.
Let’s keep it in perspective here. Women who have past the prime (30′s and up) and are still physically able to attract reasonable attractive males understand at this point all you really need a man for is sexual pleasure. Luckily, we can take care of ourselves and still enjoy and fulfill our lives in other ways. But at this point, sex is really only what women need men for. And even at menopause, sex is really the last thing on a womans mind.
I wasted a lot of my youth/prime being overweight. No cock riding here (most men don’t want to screw a fatty). So I missed out on cocks and relatonships. Yep an unfortunate late bloomer. Do i want a partner and kids? Yep. But i am realistic and understand i waited too long to start fixing myself so I accept my fate. But i am still horny and now realize I simply need a man for sex every now and then. but now instead of crying over spilled milk, the way i see it is I have a second window of opportunity to take advantage of getting sexual needs fulfilled while I seek other ways to engage my life with doing hobbies and other interests that keep me happy. At 45 or 50 I’m sure sex will be the last thing on my mind.
Ladies, past the prime need to really start to see the joys of being around family and friends who love you unconditionally. just find a guy you can get sex from and live a full life in other ways.
And nothing is wrong with cats. they help you live longer :)
Also, my question for all the old men here wanting women half their age. If all the women half your age dated and ran off with you, who would the guys their age date and screw? Adn the fact that we don’t hear young men complaining about not finding women their age or younger means most of the young girls their age are dating them and not older men.
Also are there any statistics showing the average ages of co habitant couples and married couples? i’m going to wager less than average of those are older men with younger women.
Most people date and marry within the same age range with maybe a few years difference. I don’t know what all the hoopla is about here…
just lay off the older gals and pursue what you want. If you were really happy you wouldn’t be so bothered by older women and what they are saying and doing. Me thinks you all doth protest too much.
It’s a fuckin’ hamster ranch in here.
“Women who have past the prime (30′s and up) and are still physically able to attract reasonable attractive males”
That’s an awfully low bar. “Reasonabl[y]” attractive males includes the fat part of the bell curve, and “attract” basically means “persuade to accept sex without commitment”. Since the female goal is commitment from a resident of the right-hand-side of the bell curve, “30′s and up” women are coming up pretty short in your telling.
“understand at this point all you really need a man for is sexual pleasure.”
Heh. Keep telling yourself that sweetie. By the by, though — since this is *all* men have *ever* needed women for — what fucking use are you, as a sex?
“Luckily, we can take care of ourselves”
Modulo massive subsidies, transfer payments, affirmative action, &c.
“and still enjoy and fulfill our lives in other ways.”
Yep. Nothing says “fulfilled” like a 50yo spinster.
“But at this point, sex is really only what women need men for.”
You repeat yourself.
“And even at menopause, sex is really the last thing on a womans mind.”
I think you mean “after”, and I think you’re wrong. Even if you were right, though, wouldn’t that make aging women worth even *less* to a man? And a preference for younger women both normal and sensible, contra the crazy troll bitch whose whining restarted this thread?
LOl Timothy you seem to be mad b/c some women don’t want to act like men are the be all end all after a certain point.
What i am saying is women beyond a certain age need to forget about tyring to have relationships with men (especially American men). You guys have too many issues for the most part. After a certain point all a woman would need a man in her life for is sex if she is about to hit that age where she will most likely not find a long-term companion.
American men especially are obsessed with youth and no woman past her prime should even put up with that nonsense. She should go her own way and get laid as much as possible before she hits menopause.
I don’t care about what or who the average American male does anymore. If you want to bang or dream about young women half your age – FINE BY ME. But why the need to bash women your age or past thier prime? Its immature.
Would you like for an ugly fat obese woman who can only get hot and wet for hot tall muscular in shape studs to bash equally fat and ugly men b/c she prefers hot tall stud alpha guys sexually? Is that fair? is she entitled to them bc she is attracted to them? Should she put down the fat obese men who are just as fat and ugly as she is b/c she is not attacted to them?
i don’t get the obsession with American men bashing women past their prime. it reeks of projection and your unwillingess as men to accept aging for yourselves. SO instead you focus on the easy targets – aging women. It such effeminante behavior to compete with women on such petty superficial stuff. How do you think that makes you look as “men”? you gloat on about younger women and the expense of shitting on older women who you claim to not give a rats ass about.
I will agree that younger women need to wake up and stop shitting on the good guys who would make great husbands and fathers in their youth. But not all women have or had the luxury of marrying or even finding a good guy in thier prime, so they need to make the best of their situations and enjoy it the best they can.
As I said, *after* a certain point, all a woman past her prime needs from a male is sex. She should not put herself in a situation where she will have to deal with being put down by some man b/c he is obsessed with younger women. WHo needs that garbage. Go get the younger women and shut up already!
“Wolf makes money off her books, but so does Doosh V.”
Over 80% of the writing I’ve published has been free. So every author in the history of the world is tainted because they make some money from their work? Great logic.
Praise the lord, thank you Neecy. Finally, I’ve read an insightful, sensible comment.
When I approach things and ask questions in a calm, rational way… I get crap back. Words and phrases such as ball busting cunt, fucking cunty bitch, mangina, troll ( what the hell do you mean by troll anyhow? ).
I asked if Roosh is an Alpha man. Someone asked if the men here are Alphas. I asked for your definitions of Alpha and Beta men. I discuss Alpha females. Someone says he loves Alpha females but then states that “seduction, confidence, and strength” are dominant traits so women shouldn’t have these traits. WTF? Those are exactly the traits Alpha women have ( along with several other traits).This same individual states women do not seduce. Really? Hmmmm. Uh. No. Wrong (again). Women seduce all the time. Their body language, smile, gaze, style of dress, their movements & auras… seduce. Are you a virgin?
I am going to read this Heartiste since somebody keeps mentioning it over and over again. Trust me, I will not cry or lose sleep over it. But I will read it for shits and giggles.
What gets decent women of all ages pissed off about things said on blogs like this is the disrespect and vulgarity of it all as a whole. The lumping of women into these stereotypes over and over again. And the repeated contradictions. The vague answers such as “we love feminine women”. Everything is so vague. Labels upon labels. These are just a few examples of what angers us. It really isn’t the fact that men on here want to bang pretty 20 year olds. I really could care less. I am having dynamite sex with a great man ( who is quite Alpha ) 4-5 times per week and have been for the past 3 years. How about you guys?
The constant repetitive discussion on how to bang and band and bang is repulsive. I think it must be because you men are so terribly deprived, similar to men in prison. The moronic statements about how chivalry leads to cuckolding. Give me a freakin’ break. This cuckolding nonsense is ridiculous. Yes, women have cheated on husbands and gotten pregnant by other men. But is this some wild epidemic sweeping accross the country? And are wives cheating MORE than husbands? No. And no. I gather you are watching way too much Jerry Springer and Maury Povich shows. Chivalry and being a good man does not lead to this cuckolding. A lousy behavior of some women who I do not respect, probably combined with some issues with some men that are ultimate Beta chumps
leads to the cuckolding you always seem to bring up.
Us women get angry at the fine line that some men here are teetering on. Women have relationships with young girls that we love, pre teens, teens & very young adults. The thought of men old enough to be their fathers oggling them & wanting to bang them, creeps us the fuck out. Plain and simple. It starts to verge on the pedophilia. We are not jealous. We are not upset that you do not want to bang us. Do you know why? We do not want to bang you either! I prefer banging a real man which clearly none of you are. I take that back. I bet some here are decent but just got wrapped up in this garbage. The comment is directed to the very combative ones that are so vague in their comments & repetitively use bogus ideology and “fancy” terms in attempt to support a lot of BS.
Other things that may also piss us off is an undertone of anti-American sentiment from some manosphere men.
As an American that rubs me the wrong way. Follow me? There are also those that disrespect religion which is not cool. Why not just pack your bags and fly away? That is a fabulous idea! Brilliant!!!
Great women get infuriated at the almost robotic concepts of what a man or woman is suppose to be. Women should either be loose sluts (but not too many) that are hot and young or very submissive innocent flowers that will marry men twice their age, cook, clean and have babies. They nod and smile, dress pretty, have sex even if not pleasurable for her, perhaps even painful and remain faithful to her super macho man who can do what ever he pleases including being an asshole & cheater. This is what your view of Alpha men must be. That is what your idol Roosh is all about. I highly doubt he has any of the true desirable Alpha qualities that women really do look for in a mate. Though surely he will swear up and down that he does & will every so often will say something decent to mask his real identity which is that of an angry loser turn asshole misogynist.
We do not want your sorry asses so get off your high horses. You combative ones on here will always and forever be the minority. That is the truth. Your perpetual hatred & inaccurate portrayals of masculinity and feminity will only cause you pain and agony and the inability to ever have a happy, successful rewarding relationship with one of the opposite sex.
I only now spend time here for amusement purposes & to be a voice of reason because I loathe utter stupidity. Now I must run to eat cupcakes and slip on my flip flops to make a trip to the store to grab some acne cream. LOL. Where does he come up with this shit? Seriously. Very funny actually but because of how wildly stupid that list was. It did make me chuckle… thanks Roosh for a good laugh!
Melissa, you don’t understand pedophilia. A pedophile is attracted to children who look like children. Not “children” who look like women.
As for cuckolding it’s around 3-4% for the United States. This is just the cheating that resulted in Children raised by fathers who are not their own and unaware of that fact. This is pretty cruel.
Also, if all married women were faithful to their men and the single girls less slutty there wouldn’t be that many cheating men, simply for lack of opportunity.
Women these days want the whole package. Being able to act like a man, but still being treated like a princess. Being able to work and have careers if they choose, but also being allowed to give them up and live off their husband without him having a say. Get divorced, but retain the marital standard of living at the expense of their husband. Never take responsibility for their actions. It’s always: “Men are guilty for not committing”. It’s always: “Men are guilty for not wanting to be fathers.”
Sure there is a lot of bitterness here. Most men who read these kinds of blogs are not alphas. That’s is the reason why they are here: To learn. Because “just being yourself” doesn’t work. Because being nice doesn’t work. Because they see a few guys who pick up more women in a month than they do in a year (actually see, not from anecdotes).
“The constant repetitive discussion on how to bang and [bang] and bang is repulsive.”
That’s a strange comment from someone who won’t shut up about how sexually attractive/active/satisfied she is.
Melissa: You drone without understanding. We don’t care what “you women” are angry about. It doesn’t matter. You don’t matter. You’re just someone typing at a computer. Fuck off.
I’m going to repeat part of that, because it’s important:
You. Don’t. Matter.
Naomi Wolf: Tunneling at Rocket Speed to the Core of Planet Stupid.
This spent whore is about one week from becoming Maureen Dowd: bitter, manless, childless and counting her money (the only friend she has).
Still, nice tits!
Don’t get married, women’s broken hearts will mend somehow.
40 years ago we started an experiment to make Western Women the most spoiled, nasty Witches in the history of the world. Do you like? Have we succeeded?
Fear not. We are not done. There is an end purpose.
I saw a picture of Roosh with a nasty beard. The dude looks like a terrorist/highjacker. I’d raise my eyebrows if I saw him on one of my flights. Polish gals must be blind. I don’t blame American ladies for not wanting anything to do with him. Looks like he’s ready to blow something up so he can score a lot of virgins. HA HA HA HA HA!
You know, just the other day my 22 year old hotie girlfriend texted me a naked pic of herself shaving her girlie bits. I immediately deleted the picture, texted her back, and asked her to send me a pic of her diploma instead.
Oh wait, no. That’s not what happened at all.
Women over 40 can be attractive = true statement
Women over 40 are less attractive than 20 year old girls = also a true statement
This shit is really, really simple. The propensity for self deception some of these woman have boggles the mind.
That being said, shame on Roosh for posting this article. Hey, world traveling playboy, some of us assholes have to work with and for these aging cunts, and we NEED them to feel viable and less like the wrinkled leftovers they actually are. Have a heart, man. Let these bitches believe they’re selling something a man actually wants. It’ll make your reader’s professional lives much, much less complicated!
Oh my, what an amusing blog I have stumbled upon. I am a senior at U.N.H. & possibly will choose to write a paper on Naomi Wolfe. I don’t know much about her but I’m researching and learning. I googled her name and found this site. I can’t believe some of the “stuff” I read…
First of all, Melissa “you go girl”. I see nobody has posted for quite some time. It appears that she shut you morons up. I’m from beantown originally. I transferred to U.N.H. a year ago but I attended Boston College for 2 years. People in MA are a bit more educated than a lot of other areas. Finally, a bright woman from a well educated state spoke up, thank goodness. Where the hell are you men from?
Listen… I have some bad news. 99% of young women (not from CA) under the age of 26 are NOT interested in men more than 6 years older than themselves. If the man takes really good care of himself, then perhaps up to 10 years older MIGHT be okay for some. So a hot 21 year old woman fucks, dates, and gets involved with hot 21 – 27 year old guys with or without money. A hot 26 year old babe may date hot guys up to their mid thirties. But that’s about it.
If a young female hottie hooks up with an older dude, she is almost always using him for his money. She really doesn’t care much about his status or occupation. Likely, she won’t even understand the nature of his field. That is not what makes her gina tingle, you fools. It is all about the money!
Deal with it. Young hotties do not want to fuck you old fucks. Deal with it. I know girls that joke and laugh about men just like you. I had a drunk friend (20 yrs old) who hooked up with a 39 year old guy while boozing it up. She went on a sober date with him, and texted me all night laughing about him being an older chubby balding dude with glasses. She went on a dozen dates because he had money, and he took her to nice resturaunts. She only had sex with him twice since he was really good at oral. But the act of intercourse, she said, was repulsive. At least she orgasmed when he went down on her, and she fantasized about Ethan Hawke. She said she couldn’t perform oral because he was gross and had a small wrinkly cock and unusually discolored nasty looking saggy balls. Yuck!
The truth, fellas. Deal with it. We want to fuck and suck hot sexy young men. And women in their thirties and forties want to fuck handsome dudes in their thirties and forties not men much older. I have gorgeous female cousins in their mid 30s to mid 40s… a few are not married. Not one (& their friends too) have a hard time getting attention from men their age and often younger guys turn their heads! My cousin, Denise is 38 and is dating a good looking guy that is 35. And another cousin, Liz is 43 and her boyfriend is 41.
In case you’re wondering, I am the hottie you wish you could get but cannot. I’m 21. I’m petite, 5’3″, 115 lbs, figure skater and gymnist. Long black hair, blue blue eyes. Skin that tans easily on my bikini body. I know what I’m talking about. This old dude/young girl “match” is a complete joke.
Call me a bitch or nasty names like you did to Melissa. She’s probably a sexy older woman who can get just about anyone she wants. She should’t care what you creeps have to say. I certainly don’t give a shit.
Hey, did I mention ALL women want to fuck sexy young men NOT ugly old dudes. Deal with it. It’s the godamn truth. If you’re not young and handsome… gross ( I just threw up in my mouth).
“We want to fuck and suck hot sexy young men.”
“I had a drunk friend (20 yrs old) who hooked up with a 39 year old… chubby balding dude with glasses. She only had sex with him twice.”
That’s the longest request for a gangbang I’ve ever read.
It’s always funny when a woman makes a complete fool of herself. I’m sure she thought her page long rant would have a different effect but it only succeeded in verifying what we talk about here in the manosphere all the time.
That said, we know women don’t even believe the shit that comes out of their own mouths.
What can you say to Nikki? How do you respond to bitter nonsense? Have fun being single in your 30′s, I see a few “rich” men dumping you for hotter, younger and tighter pussy than yours in your future. Not to worry, cats make excellent companions.
Nikki, you wasted a lot of words kissing your own ass, but you’re still half a child. I know plenty of younger women who exclusively date older guys. It’s for the same reason I prefer women over 30. You’re not old enough to afford your own breast implants, or develop any fetishes. You’re a self-righteous little brat. The “Young hottie” thing is for inexperienced men who want everyone to look at them. Fortunately for you, all you really want is for people to validate you anyway. Call me when you get a couple abortions under your belt.
That Ethan Hawke dude is 40 years old
I’m 33 and bang 19 year olds all the time. That’s a 15 year difference. I’m far from rich and not tall and stunning…what could it be? Hrrm? Game? Yes. I have game.
Please stay in New Hampshire. Thanks.
You seem to have such a wonderful personality and must be a prize to get to know in person. Your looks are most likely not as good as your own grandiose self assessment. Also keep in mind that your 5’3 and 115 lbs. frame that you adore so much will be 5’3 and 150 lbs. in a few years. And unfortunately for you, being ‘educated’ will do nothing to compensate for it. Good luck, I see multiple cats in your future.
“I’m 21. I’m petite, 5’3″, 115 lbs, figure skater and gymnist. Long black hair, blue blue eyes. Skin that tans easily on my bikini body. I know what I’m talking about.”
It sounds like you’re just a cunt. And learn how to spell gymnast since you’re so fond of pointing out how educated you are.
I find this blog interesting so I read things time to time….Mainly towards what the blogger and people commenting on this blog think of american culture and other countries.The thing about this site is that it is very negative when it’s should be ALL positive. Maybe the blogger likes shit getting stirred up! haha But the main point of this website is to help men who have trouble with the ladies to have better luck in the dating/sex scene. I can understand how many guys in the United States are fed up with the women here. I am a nice girl and have traveled all over the US and what ROOSH lists on here is not all false. I have noticed there are MANY women in this country who are just plain mean and nasty, overweight to obese ( we are topped off at number 1 in the world for that) dress like they walked out of a hole, and yet they go around treating people like shit and expect to get it back.
Here is the thing: The same is applied to MANY men in this country also! So It goes for both genders in the US. There is no reason to keep bashing and bashing genders though!
Our way of life or culture has lead us to this! So those people should rebel against this disgusting lifestyle and make a change for the better!
If American guys want to date beautiful foreign women there is nothing wrong with that! Roosh is trying to help with that part (I just don’t agree with the negativity part that this site emits.)
So all these chicks getting all worked up on here like the few above: You will likely never meet the dudes who participate on this site and seek advice. They do not affect your day to day life. Let them do whatever and stop worrying about this one blog on the internet.
“dress like they walked out of a hole, and yet they go around treating people like shit and expect to get *respect* back.”
I’d like to comment on Hola’s reasonable assumption, which I much prefer to the rabid ranting of Nikki and her likes. Yes, part of the blame does lie with men in enabling some things, mostly in spoiled or lazy men who refuse to adapt or change or learn any game at all because it conflicts their worldview. However, I am more likely to write about women’s failings in the sexual market and the troubles it causes.
Why do I mostly criticize women? In the modern world, where women have freedom of choice, it is women who pick and choose their male partners according to their tastes, and those choices have been abysmal for the last several decades. Combined with the fact that a woman is assured of having high value and being desired simply because of her gender (at least while she is relatively young and not obese), she will make an impact simply by existing – compared to a man who could live and die alone and no one would care because he is easily replaced. You see what I’m aiming at: women have much more leverage in finding partners, so when more and more women squander it by either becoming fat bitches or rejecting normal and “nice guys”, that is bound to cause many negative changes. Men will adapt in time, because those who do not go extinct. And all because women chose so.
With great power comes great responsibility. Yes, that’s a double standard.
I’d like to defend Nikki here, “She only had sex with him twice” Sounds reasonable to the hamster
“The same is applied to MANY men in this country also! So It goes for both genders in the US. There is no reason to keep bashing and bashing genders though!”
My teachings encourage men to gain more experience, pursue interesting hobbies, and also work on their appearance. I advise my male readers to work on their weaknesses like I have worked on mine. They are self-aware to know their problems may be costing them women, but American girls think big is beautiful, for example, and expect more when they are able to provide less.
haha the old dude must have spent what was chump change for him to get banged by that hooker friend of this poster. wonder what the odds are that this is actually a male troll with some serious issues
What’s funny is Nikki thinks she just raised hell and put men in their place, but all she did was confirm many of the negative things we men already know about GIRLS (that’s right…I won’t even give her WOMAN status) like her.
First of all, the fact that she’s in college, in a town with lots of colleges, makes her think she’s in an “educated” state, thus making giving her opinions more credence. Colleges all over the nation spit out morons. And she already placed her looks over brains, so that pretty much says it all.
Men with money KNOW they can get young tail because they have money. They aren’t deluded. Men with that kind of money usually have some kind of status attached to it. The two usually come together, unless he’s a trust-fund kid living off his parents’ status. Which still confers a form of status on him. Sure, some fresh out of college bubblehead may not care about the status so much as the money that comes with it, but in a few years the status starts to matter more. Like when you’re looking for a sucker to marry you.
The fact that Nikki is bragging about a girlfriend prostituting herself is laughable, like her girl somehow got over on that dude. That she allowed a man that totally repulsed her to fuck and eat her out for some free meals is PITIFUL. Most hookers get straight cash homie, and buy their own meals, and fuck guys they’re attracted to when they’re off duty. If she were really smart, she’d have gotten some jewelry. Something she wouldn’t have shit out in a few hours and have nothing to show for the trouble. Dumb trick.
Older dudes with loot will ALWAYS have younger woman volunteers. ALWAYS. Sure, it might be about money/status, but at that stage all a woman can really give a man is pussy. He doesn’t need anything else from you. However, when women get old/fat/raggedy, they’re closed for business. No men will be volunteering to fuck you. NONE.
As for women in their 30s and 40s, yes, if they keep themselves in shape most of them prefer men in their general age range. Occasionally, a much younger guy might want to hit it too. I’m in my 40s, and I like women from mid-to-late 30s to 40s if they’re still in good shape. Hell, I have a couple of 50 year olds on my radar. Those women will still get enough attention to get an occasional date and get fucked. You’ll STILL find plenty of women in that age range that will marry an older man who has money, so they’ll be taken care of in those waning years. Don’t fool yourself.
“American girls think big is beautiful, for example, and expect more when they are able to provide less”-Roosh
It should be more like “Some American girls think big is beautiful, for example and expect more when they are able to provide less” because not all do.
The media has convinced many women in this country that it is OK to be enormous because……. you’re still beautiful. Like they should be rewarded for it.
And No it’s not Ok to be overweight or obese because it causes health problems and people look disgusting!
I agree with Timothy: Nikki is wrong about younger women not wanting older men with money. It happens all the time. The typical young women that do that are ones who are lazy and want everything done for them. Typically there is always a motive with that case…I’m not saying always but most of the time.
“In case you’re wondering, I am the hottie you wish you could get but cannot. I’m 21. I’m petite, 5’3″, 115 lbs, figure skater and gymnist. Long black hair, blue blue eyes. Skin that tans easily on my bikini body. I know what I’m talking about.”
This. How does any of this have anything to do with knowing what your talking about? You literally described millions of women with that description, some of whom I have banged. And yes, I am more than 6 years older than them. Way to reinforce every single negative stereotype us men have about women.
Your after our money, your easy to get into bed, you think being pretty makes you smart, you make up random statistics to support your argument because the only evidence you have that supports your position is a few slutty friends and a few relatives who you think are hot.
Face it, your just another dumb, slutty, naive girl, and there are millions of women just as pretty if not prettier than you who have no problems dating older men. Just because your little circle of slutty friends only dates older men for their money, that doesn’t mean all women are money hungry whores. Some women actually date older men who don’t have alot of money because they have great personalities. I don’t have alot of money and have no problems with younger women. Shocking!
And seriously, what does your college education have to do with anything. Did Boston college tell you that women don’t date older men? No? Then sit down and shut the fuck up, grown folk are talking.
Is this one of your classy friends?
I could envision Nikki being in Playboy, in one of those college pictorials, “Girls of the ACC” or Big East, or whatever conference her school is in. Then she’ll be one of Hef’s “girlfriends” for a couple of years, before getting booted out of the mansion. Don’t fret…he’ll buy you all kinds of nice gifts for however long you’re sucking his shriveled dick, and you’ll walk away with some nice stuff. If you’re smart, you’ll use your “fame” as one of the girlfriends to land a rocker or athlete that will be dumb enough to marry you.
OH…and I just LOVE the BBWs online that actually think they can shame decent looking guys into fucking them, that somehow you’re less of a man for not wanting to take on so much woman. And you don’t have CURVES. You have FOLDS of flesh. That’s nasty. Lose some fuckin’ weight, instead of trying to convince yourself and the rest of us that you’re just as beautiful as a woman that’s in decent shape.
I just came across this little tidbit:
5’3″ and 115 pounds????? Girl, you is chubby! I’m 5’7″ and 111 pounds, I weigh less than you with a bigger bone structure. You must spend a significant amount of time ignoring your muffin top! Good luck with those young hot guys for any more than a ONS!
I’ll give her a pass for carrying 115 lbs. on a 5’3″ frame because she’s SUPPOSEDLY an athlete (skater and gymnast), thus she’ll have a little more muscle mass than a non-athletic woman, probably in the legs and ass. Of course, the moment she stops competing that muscle will shrink and be replaced by another 30 pounds of flab.
Nikki…try to somehow save enough money to travel outside the U.S. All over Eastern Europe and Former Soviet Union countries are a sea of unquestionably thinner, prettier, more charming young women who are with fat, ugly, bald dudes – often with no money. I know this is also true in many parts of Southeast Asia and Latin America.
American guys have been bamboozled into thinking what they see on a day to day basis are ‘real’ women. It is an illusion, what they are really seeing is the demise of femininity and class.
Why would Nikki want to somehow save enough money to travel to where there are fat ugly bald dudes often with no money?
I imagine Nikki will travel to a popular spring break destination in Mexico and get fucked by drunken frat boys, like the rest of her hot, intelligent college girlfriends do.
I agree with melissa…. she’s so right.
And what kind of bullshit misogynistic post is this? Wow, what a bunch of loser guys, bitching about how they hate older women… ugggh
I know Nikki. She told me to read this site. You’re all so full of crap! You don’t even know her, and make assumptions. She’s certainly not slutty, far from it. Most girls in our circle of friends are NOT sleeping around. There are 2 friends; however, that make poor choices. We give them shit for it too. Most of us are in relationships not having one night stands!! Stop with the verbal attacks that are utter nonsense…
It is not the norm for very young girls (college age) to date men significantly older. This is factual. And it is very unusual to see them in serious relationships with men a lot older than themselves. Factual. Yes, a date or sexual encounter can happen once in a while between young female hotties and older guys. So? Do you want a godamn medal? MOST of the time, in these situations, it is a brief encounter… money, gifts, wining and dining, curiousity, hot car, and vacations are involved. Lousy, huh? I agree. But so is your idiotic desire of young eye candy, acting on it, and thinking it is attainable and common for old farts to get involved with girls young enough to be their daughters!
I think most older guys that hit on us are super creepy. Very rarely do I see any with “game” or genuinely great personalities. They often try way too hard, use cheesy lines, and sadly attempt to act young, cool, and hip. Very pathetic and very creepy. Us young girls joke about it all the time. Deal with it. Next time a pretty young thing chats you up at a bar, think twice. She probably just wants a round of free drinks for her and her friends!
Oh yeah, somebody here said she (he?) is 5’7″ and under 115 lbs. And said Nikki’size was chubby? Now somebody is doing crack. That was a stupid guy who thinks women are suppose to be walking skeletons with big tits. Nik is super petite with little body fat. I am 5’5″, 136lbs, size 2/4. I play a lot of sports and have low body fat. Obviously, many men are clueless about weight of women and what is healthy. 5’7″ under 115 lbs would be horribly underweight, very sickly, and unattractive.
Now go do more drugs, you old delusional creeps!
Oh yeah… travel to foreign countries to see lots of young girls with old farts. Nikki should save money and travel to see the truth. Give me a break! What are you a world traveler?
Perhaps you saw girls with their fathers and grandfathers? Or maybe girls that were poor prostitutes with ugly old tourists? Maybe you saw uneducated, unfortunate girls who are desparate to move away from their shitty lives that they latched onto old farts?
I’ve travelled quite a bit even when I was in HS. There are gorgeous women everywhere. Women from other countries aren’t prettier than American women. That’s BS. If that is true, then Euro & Latin men are hotter and in better shape than American men. You know what? Foreign men love American women!!! I’ve known lots of average to pretty American women of all ages who travelled and even lived in Europe and S. America and all had excellent experiences with foreign men. Places such as the Netherlands, Belgium, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal, England, Ireland, Brazil, and Argentina.
You love foreign gals, huh? Well, foreign men love our “fat” American asses. So go to hell you old farts (that were once young losers) that are desparately trying to cling to youth.
Grow up and act your age. Creepy creeps!
First Dani, no one here suggests that old dudes are cruising campus with trench coats and lollipops, or hanging out in college bars like Ben Roethlisberger. Some younger WOMEN will always be willing to date/marry wealthier older men. That’s always been so, and will continue to be. That’s factual. However, I’m sure a professor occasionally bangs a student in exchange for a good grade!
To answer your question about whether guys here are world travelers, the answer is YES. Part of the reason we’re here is to share information about many of the places we’ve traveled and exchange notes on those countries and cities throughout the world.
“Perhaps you saw girls with their fathers and grandfathers? Or maybe girls that were poor prostitutes with ugly old tourists? Maybe you saw uneducated, unfortunate girls who are desparate to move away from their shitty lives that they latched onto old farts?”
Yes…this is very true of Thailand and Philippines. Middle aged perverts go there to bang young boys too. Sex tourism is an ugly fact. And it would be pretty obvious if a girl is with dad or grandpa. Young women thoughout Eastern Europe and South America, as well as Asia are hunting daily on the internet for a nice old dude to marry here in the US (younger men are also exploring this more and more). That isn’t what we’re really discussing here. Your point?
Sure, there are foreign men that want to FUCK American women (especially if you’re a blonde blue-eyed trophy). If American men don’t meet your standard, I recommend you seek what you need elsewhere. We’d be hypocrites if we suggested otherwise. Good luck with that.
We’re in total agreement that there are gorgeous women all around the world…which is why we seek to travel and meet as many of them as possible. But you missed the key point. It isn’t the looks, but the ATTITUDE and FEMININITY of foreign women that makes them attractive to us, and these things are separate from just looks. Trust me…few foreign men are looking to marry American. When you actually leave the bubble of college and start getting your TRUE education in life, you’ll better understand what being feminine is about.
Oh please! Again with this feminity nonsense. The 40 year old woman, who was the first one to speak up on this blog, explained clearly that your idea of feminity is distorted and narrow minded. And attitude? Please! That’s why you and that Roosh jerk prefer foreign women? What the hell are you talking about? All I’ve heard is how they are prettier and thinner, over and over and over again. The focus has been about looks.
I doubt all the men here have travelled the world. Doubt it! And I doubt you all discuss meaningful things for those fortunate enough to travel extensively. Do you chat about interesting cultures, cuisine, customs and unique experiences and places that you visited? Discuss politics of these countries or religion? Hell no! You talk about getting laid. You’re a real bunch of classy guys. What a joke.
Young foreign girls that flock to the internet to meet and marry American men just want to get their butts here. Plain and simple. They want to escape from empty lives. They vision a better life, and marrying older guys with money is the easiest way to do so. They don’t fall in love with you. The entire natural act of falling in love is totally missing in these “arrangements”.
Once they get here, many will discover so many opportunities. Things that did not exist in their countries. With education, career opportunities, and handsome young American guys… this “fake” marriage will eventually crumble. They are the way they are because they have no godamn choice to be anything different. They’re not more feminine with better attitudes. They will learn the American way, in the land of opportunity, and will spread their wings and fly away from their old farts. They may also eat some good food and gain 10 lbs. God forbid!
Each time one of you makes a comment, you appear more and more pathetic.
You don’t even know what the hell you want. You want sluts. Wait, no. You hate sluts. No. You love them. You want virgins. No. Yes. Wait… but they are not sluts. You think old women are gross and would never fuck them. Wait. No. You would fuck them but nothing more. You only want hot young girls. No. You want feminine classy girls. Yes. No. Young hot loose girls. Hmmmmmm… Mixed messages much? God, women are so confused with all these bizarre mixed messages. Make up your idiotic feeble minds!
Enough with this blonde hair, blue eyed crap too! I’ve travelled quite a bit in Europe. Most guys prefer dark haired beauties. Hair and eye color has nothing to do with beauty. I have seen hideous broom Hildas with blonde hair. If you take a pretty blonde hair blue eyed girl and a pretty dark hair/eyed girl, the “darker” is almost always more appealing. They are sexier. They have a more interesting exotic ethnic look. Sultry. Nicer complexion. Blondes are usually blah looking. Paler skin. Plain. Of course, a few pathetic men have been brain washed in thinking blonde means hot when it is often “NOT”. Enough with the blonde hair/ blue eyed gals being hot. Many are not.
Love it. YSF
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Ha ha ha!! As a 21 year old I must say that I find this a bit funny (if a little sad). Me and my friends get hit on by older guys ALL the time. If they are poor and hold down menial or average jobs, my friends who don’t give them a second glance. Most men in their 30s and 40s think they are ‘good looking’ but it does NOT MATTER how good looking you are-you good looks are more likely to be appreciated by women YOUR OWN AGE. The only guy I dated who was older (36) was the CEO of several businesses and paid for my trips around the world (I like to travel), my apartment and gave me some spending cash. Apparently he lost weight and got a tan. I did not notice, I did not care. I cared about him yes but only as far as he could provide. Eventually I got tired of sneaking behind his back and spending his money with my boyfriend (then 22, now 23) and anyway my BF started getting jelous so I dumped the old boy. I had to sell the car to pay for my upcoming travel to Sweden but eventually just decided to get a job. Let me let you in on a little secret: If you are very wealthy and you are a man, yes you can definitely date and marry a younger woman. But only if you have MONEY. The 18 year olds in third world countries that you are on about are very Americanised. Prostitutes charge foreign men the standard amount you would be charged anywhere else and, like any young woman, are generally repulsed by old men and just want to get it over with and go fuck boyfriends their own age. I still have one friend who hasn’t given up her sugar-daddy because she is too lazy to work and besides, he gives her more money than she is likely to earn at this point so she spends most of her days at the gym and spa-making herself more and more attractive and, you guessed it, in the hopes of trading him in for another sugar daddy who will be much much weathier (and hopefully more good-looking, but looks are less important than money).
Money, money, money!!! Indeed money makes the world go round. This article is interesting. I hadn’t thought about dating an older man again but now I am seriously considering it if my “sell-by” date is when I’ll be 28 so that means I have 28 years to fuck around with sugar-daddies (I suppose the also give you money according to age-the younger the more gifts and more money) but I may have to convince my boyfriend-who was such a willing sport the last time I was fucking a 36year old sugar daddy (that was last year). I don’t think I can go older than 36 now-unless I come across a 40 year old who is obscenely rich but I find that men that age are frugal. Rich men in their mid-late 30s who like younger women tend to be more generous the first time round-otherwise I can get a 50something grandpa who I can wrap around my little finger. Thanks for giving me ideas. At least if I end up a desperate old woman I should be able to say-”Ah but I milked those old geysers and still did not miss out on hot sex with men my age”.lol
Why else do you think Hugh Hefner has so many hotties!!! Damn if I also were to get my own reality show and become a millionaire in less than 2 years just by screwing him-I sure as hell would do it. But look where his girfriends ended up. They ended up marrying men their own age as soon as they got that big check.lol
She’s kinda hot, minus the crazy old hag part. I’d do her for the novelty.
Did you people ever put yourselves in older peoples shoes.
I feel as if the mind is able to create excuses for its current situations. All survival tactics, but in this case its emotional survival tactics. Remaining socially stable although undergoing health decline, physical beauty decline etc.
Once the veil is ripped off, the comfort these illusions bring might cease to exist. Let it be.
40+ women can look smoking hot if they take care of themselves and have the right kind of money. Wrinkles on the face? Botox and facelifts. Sagging tits? Breast augmentation surgery. Eating healthy and exercising keeps the body fit and firm. Avoiding heavy smoking, drinking, nightlife helps a great deal.
I’ve seen 50 year olds who barely looked 35. I’ve seen 40 year olds with fashion model bodies. Then again nine of them were washed up spinsters with a dozen cats.
If the ladies can look like Demi Moore when you are 45, there’s nothing to worry about.
As for Naomi Wolf, she’s not bad looking for her age. She just needs to shed 15-20 lbs and get a few Botox injections.
None of them, not nine of them, lol, typing on the phone sucks.
Anyway age doesn’t matter if the guy is in love. A friend of mine was dating this 45 year old pig, who dumped her to get back with his 40 year old ex. My friend was 25 at the time, she was absolutely stunning, and the guy’s ex was a wrinkled, sagging old hag. She was a heavy smoker and drinker so she looked hell of a lot older than 40. Also don’t forget prince Charles, who cheated on his beautiful young wife with a 50 year old ugly hag.
yes women will always cost money,but if American men apend a hundredth of what they spend on their women on third world women,the women will be their natural feminine selves.sthng not experienced by westerners
yes women will always cost money,but if American men spend a hundredth of what they spend on their women on third world women,the women will be their natural feminine selves.something never experienced by western men
You are all terrifying. Thanks for reminding me that misogyny is still everywhere.
Being a reasonably happy, unmarried 43 year old woman with a pretty satisfying sex life, I do tend to forget. Thanks for the grim and savage reminder.
Well, Older women are the best. Im sorry to say this but i think that most boys at their young ages needed a porno book at some stage. And funny enough or should i say satisfying enough at the time , No young girls are explicitly shown in porn magazines, So i guess the feeling is mutual if you take it into deeper consideration. I am 25 and my 40 year old women enjoys every moment with me – especially the “Push and Pull” part !
Its good that we share this things……
Hit the nail on the head. Our culture is completely logically bankrupt and trolls like Wolf add gas to an already out of control wildfire. She is a complete joke and should be mocked endlessly. It’s sad that such a bitter, disillusioned clown can actually be able to publish articles for a “respectable” newspaper.
This is one of my favorite articles from Roosh. I loled many times. Long live Roosh V.
There is nothing wrong with women trying to have interesting careers and accomplishments. What would be sad is if they are only doing it for the approval of men. That would be pathetic. They might need to earn their own living in a respectable way and it would be nice if they could do this.
I’m scared. I’m a 20 year-old girl (turning 21 next month) and I have been with an amazing, loving, sexy, awesome guy that is just 8 months older than me. We lost our virginity to each other at 18. He is very doting and affectionate, he constantly makes me feel sexy and loved. I don’t even see him look at other women (I assume he does, but I truly don’t care). He tells me I am the prettiest girl he has ever seen and he sounds like he believes it (I think it’s hilarious, but it’s still so sweet). He compliments me on plenty of other things too, my humor, my intelligence, my kindness and compassion. He has a lot of respect for me and I him. I work hard to be sexy and appealing, because he appreciates it. I am always surprising him with lap dances, naughty pics, blow jobs and whatever else. We have sex every day, or sometimes twice a day. He literally never has to go unsatisfied. He says often how badly he wants to spend eternity with me.
I read crap like this website for some strange reason. it upsets me. I am terrified that once I hit 25, or 30, or 40, or whatever the magical age is, my boyfriend will suddenly stop caring about me. Does this happen? I’m just confused…does this hatred for older women only apply to women you want to randomly bang? I don’t care if a bunch of pick-up artists think I’m sexy in my 40′s, I care if my boyfriend does. I’m so scared that he’s going to be like you guys and stop loving me because I get older, even if I try to take care of myself and continue to be affectionate and caring.
Someone please give me some guidance?
Another point I meant to make is that I am afraid our relationship is doomed because I’m not significantly younger than him.
You’re fine, -as long as you stay in shape and don’t exponentially nag your hubby over the years. Most of the rules don’t apply to you in this blog. 90% of women have entitled bitchy personalities, -it seems that you are a beta female, so you are in the 10%.
Thank you! Is beta female a good thing?