I have a player friend who has 48 notches. No girl who meets him thinks he is a player, and it’s this under-the-radar feel about him which is the probable cause of his success. Girls think he is just a nice guy until he bangs them and never calls again.
This graphic gives you an idea of his accomplishment thus far:
He wants to get to 50 where he can then take a step back and look for a quality girl. And he would like to do this before January 1st, which means he has under a month to bang two girls. The Road to 50 series will detail his journey to finally becoming a real man.
Postscript: Before I can even post this, I get a text message Monday night that he got to 49. I knew I should have started earlier.
Postscript 2: Damn it, last night he got number 50. He got 3 new notches in 4 days. Oh well that was fun.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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i pity whatever girl he ends up with.
This actually reveals very little. Anyone can get 50 notches (ie, go for the skanks, fat ones, depressed, ugly, etc, you’ll hit a home run every time).
The real question is, is he learning anything from his 50 notches? He could sleep with 500 more and not be any wiser. Still wouldn’t know what quality is.
I didn’t want to be the first to comment, but OK, I’ll bite:
He’s over the age of 18 and he’s still counting?(snicker) Frankly, it’s a point of pride to be able to say “Dunno, lost count.” The greatest thing is that you can say this at any time, even after third notch, and you’re not even lying. I lost count at 10.
I wasn’t going to comment either but we all know I can’t shut my mouth.
This is really just the saddest post I’ve read in a long time. Getting to a certain number, needing to count notches, actively going out to search for a “quality girl” after treating 50 girls like garbage…EW. I feel like I am 18 again.
I think my slow process into becoming a lipstick lesbian was just solidified.
KassyK: Call me baby. Two redheads? That’s hot. ;)
I find it amusing that (according to the picture) he nailed eight chicks with blue hair. Good times!
Wow, this makes me really sad. I hope not to meet this guy because my “total ass” radar is broken and I keep falling for silly guys that don’t deserve it. And one of them slept with 85 women and was still counting, at 26. Gross. I ran far from that.
Kate, here’s how to deal with a broken “Total Ass” radar: They’re all total asses until they prove to you otherwise. Play this way until you learn to trust your instincts, which are never, ever ever wrong, it’s just you’re not listening to them because you tried to do that once and somebody said you were crazy. You weren’t.
That said, it’s A-OK to hop in bed with a total ass if all you’re looking for is a way to pass the time. That’s what they’re all here for in the first place: Our amusement.
“I find it amusing that (according to the picture) he nailed eight chicks with blue hair. Good times!”
I find it even more amusing that he nailed eight chicks with orange mohawks…..
Man according to your picasso their, it looks like he bagged some trollkins that you put at the end of pencils or something and a couple smurfs…….
EZ-E would be proud…..
Make sure to tell him not to tell the “quality girl” how many notches he has, it will haunt him forever.
Nobody said he treated those girls like garbage.
What was said is that he is searching for a quality girl. Very well could have realized he isn’t interested *after* sleeping with them.
Only females would assume he treated them like garbage. Having sex with someone then not dating for 6 months does not mean you treated them poorly.
I mean, it’s a big number, but it certainly leads to a different discussion – what number is considered acceptable? And is that number different for men than it is for women?
‘over the age of 18 and still counting’ ?
Is it like a juvenile delinquent where anything under 18 doesn’t count ‘for reals’ ?
aw (LOL) I pulled 18 out of my ass, probably because in my opinion most men are incapable of rational thought processes until they reach adulthood.
I probably should have picked 30.
i’m in the double digits but i dont think i will get to 50 until my late 30′s
Cobb–Roosh said that this guy pretends to be a “nice guy” and then bangs them and never calls them again. Don’t know about what guys think but that is the definition of treating a girl like garbage.
The fact that this is considered good behavior by guys that are almost 30 makes me want to hang myself.
PS–And he WAS NOT looking for a quality girl in these pump & dumps…he was looking SOLEY to up his numbers…Now that he reached 50, he is looking for quality.
Reread the post then yell at me. ;)
hedonistic: I don’t know if you realize it but saying “I lost count at 10″ implies that you have fucked so much cock at various levels of consciousness that you cannot even remember. I think i’ll pass on your tip.
As for why girls are so mad at this post… they realize that they were probably 1 in 50 with more guys than they would like.
Roissy–Yes. YES YES YES YES. Exactly.
desireable women don’t sleep with niceguys. so if this player was telling them he’s a niceguy while his actions were communicating exactly the opposite then his targets were either the sort of dregs who *would* sleep with a niceguy and took him at his word or they were hot women who knew the score.
“That’s what they’re all here for in the first place: Our amusement.”
for you…. not for long.
“The fact that this is considered good behavior by guys that are almost 30 makes me want to hang myself.”
double standards are absolutely necessary if you’re going to deal effectively with men and women.
Roissy–The thing for me personally is that I don’t have a problem with guys with high numbers…if they love sex. But to sleep with a certain amount of girls just to get to a number so you can brag to your friends? That is just sad. Really sad.
I could do the same…I’m sure I could sleep with 40 guys in 3 days if I wanted to but I think its just disgusting. Why have sex if its not going to be ridiculously hot, amazing sex?
I guess for us girls, our bodies are different and we aren’t going to get off from most guys so we stick with what we know will get us going…vibrators and our imaginations.
Roissy, why yes I have!!!!!! Certainly not 50 (married young) but sexual double standards are for assholes, so a smart woman will only say HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SUCKER!!! to any man who tries to impose them.
Frankly, if a girl can make it through college with fewer than 5 to 10 MISTAKES (unless she’s in a LTR most of the time, which of course cuts down on the variety) I’d even go so far as to suggest she has a dull social life, poor thing.
Women grow weary of the notch not because it makes them sluts but because the smart ones quickly figure out that it’s generally not fulfilling. This is because “Notch Guys” are notoriously bad in bed, and assholes to boot.
Double standards are tricky. I try my hardest not to judge anyone in any way that I would want to be judged myself. The problem it seems a *LOT* of people out there are extremely quick to judge other people based on not much information.
What do you mean incapable of rational thought process?
I hope to never ever ever ever lose count. I would have to seriously re-evaluate my life if that happened and it would cause me serious anguish.
I agree with KassyK that it’s a pretty sad state of affairs. The diagram is funny as all hell, though!!
aw, “rational thought processes” is a phrase that makes more sense than the more official-sounding “formal operational thought processes” that are supposed to develop in all humans around the age of 13: Moral reasoning in the formal (i.e., logical, NOT the religious) sense.
Unfortunately, if one is a keen observer of human nature, it appears that use of this ability is voluntary, and that men (generally) start using theirs later in life than women do.
Of course, there are exceptions to the rule, and if you are male, from the look of your blog you may be one of ‘em who started using his early.
Kassy — I read the post the first time and saw that.
I also felt that it was written this way to get a rise out of people. DCB has a tendency to do that.
My opinion? Some he treated well, some not so well. Just as how women do. Roosh recognizes the specific details of each and every hookup are not always very interesting so he just wrote it in that way to keep things short, get a reaction.
I would have a hard time believe he acted like a jerk in all 50 situations. Recognize that extremes rarely occur in nature and therefore aren’t the best model to follow. The same can generally be said about absolute statement’s like the original post above.
The wiener in the drawing is the best part. So funny, so true.
yeah, I suppose condoms are hard to draw?
women lie. if they could do it, WITHOUT getting found out and/or get pregnant, they would fuck all the time.
so many women lie about their numbers. when a girl brings the # up (I could care less and never approach the topic) and she tells me 8 or less I just laugh in my head and think “sure, sure baby.. whatever you say).
It’s funny how come almost every woman have only 3 partners, but dudes out there are in their 50′s, 60′s and 70′s partner count. Something doesn’t jive. Think the ladies better fess up.
By the way, another tangent is how fucked up a lot of women “count.” Some girls don’t “count” if it happened on a vacation, or was an “accident.” Listening to these conversations drives me crazy; it’s SO stupid. Others do not count it unless it was a serious relationship. All more the reason why people should just forget worrying about the number all together.
Roosh, I bet you’ve had similar conversations about the fucked up “counting” women do to have their “partner count.” Can you do a post on it in the near future? Maybe have some paint art and a few war stories of what you’ve heard as well as your commentary? Bet it would be a hilarious post.
That is just yucky. He should consider getting tested before he spreads something to the girl he wants to settle down with.
he might have trouble stopping at 50. he could meet a quality girl but then make her no. 51 out of habit, despite his good intentions.
Anonymous unless a woman marries real young you’re probably right: Any number below 10 is typically a lie. Given the ease with which women can find sexual attention (walking out our front door qualifies as “game”), it only makes sense that the average woman’s number would be HIGHER than the average man’s.
I’m serious; just reason it through! Women lie because they don’t want to make you jealous or think they “sleep around.” The fact remains that even an earnest “nice” girl looking for her soul mate can top ten in no time flat.
So stop counting, and stop asking. Jeez.
Oh, and I use 10 as my arbitrary number because when I was in college, anything above 10 made a girl a slut, LOL, not sure what the magic number is today!
So I married guy 11. Just kidding.
THAT. IS. WHAT. I. WAS. SAYING. ALL. ALONG.
IT. IS. THE. WOMEN. WHO. BRING. THE. “NUMBER.” UP. I. DO. NOT. AND. THINK. IT. IS. STUPID. FOR. THE. AFOREMENTIONED. REASONS.
oh absolutely, anonymous, when I said “stop counting” I meant it for all concerned, not you!
“I’m sure I could sleep with 40 guys in 3 days if I wanted to but I think its just disgusting.”
that is because you are a woman and not a man. beyond a threshold level of physical attractiveness, guys do not need as many criteria met in order to want sex with a particular woman. all she needs to do is be willing to go all the way right away. of course, as the stakes are raised, so is his game and the sincerity of his words. the prettier she is, the longer he will woo her. pretty girls know this from experience and will throw up more obstacles to sex than will ugly women.
also, something all women should keep in mind. confidence is the trait most valued in a man by women, yet that alpha male confidence comes on the backs of many conquests, past and present. the confident man is confident because no matter what happens he has plenty of options to fall back on. so by responding to this characteristic women are more likely to find themselves dating an unfaithful man.
“Why have sex if its not going to be ridiculously hot, amazing sex?”
for most men, excluding the ugly and the fat women, insertion of penis into vagina gets them 90% of the way to ridiculously hot, amazing sex.
don’t you know it’s different for guys?
“so you can brag to your friends?”
kassyk, i agree with you here. a man who truly loves sex and women may sleep with thousands but tell no one.
if it’s bragging he’s after, well… actions speak louder.
single mom whose husband probably cheated on her with a hot young salesgirl he met in a hotel bar:
“Roissy, why yes I have!!!!!! ”
settle down, MINLF.
i like his style, but roissy jr. is not me.
“a smart woman will only say HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SUCKER!!! to any man who tries to impose them.”
hedonistic: she makes her stand, smart but sad.
“Women grow weary of the notch not because it makes them sluts but because the smart ones quickly figure out that it’s generally not fulfilling.”
why is it not fulfilling?
because women are more interested in monogamy and committed relationships than a string of flings.
“This is because ?Notch Guys? are notoriously bad in bed, and assholes to boot.”
speaking from experience?
women lie down. men lie up.
spot the pun.
Man, after reading all this interplay I continue to be completely amazed by the duplicity of people.
Maybe it’s because you’re ready and willing to lie to them that they are ready and willing to lie back to you? I don’t lie to people about anything.
I really really hope that as I grow and learn more about myself and relationships I don’t end up as completely bitter and disillusioned as some of the people whose comments I see in here. That is a worry in the back of my mind.
“Women lie because they don’t want to make you jealous or think they ?sleep around.?”
and why do they lie about this?
because men are less likely to invest their time and resources into a slut. so, you see, the lying exists to cater to men’s sexual and relationship preferences.
Three questions for the commenters:
If a man tells you he has only slept with one woman in his life, his wife, do you automatically think he’s lying?
If a man tells you he’s never masterbated in his life because whenever he was horny he could just go out and have sex, do you automatically think he’s lying?
And if you think both men are lying, which lie is more absurd?
I wonder how many of these notches faked it.
Feckledk, honestly who cares? He got his.
If women want to cum, they shouldn’t leave all the responsibility up to the man. It’s a 2 person job.
Anon – surely you are correct, but don’t tell me that his 50 wouldn’t be more impressive had he managed to dehydrate the whole lot of them.
Lady Bizness the answer to your questions
1. All men lie about every fucking thing. I’m a man and every man I met has lied like a muthafucka. Even my pastor.
2. All men masterbate, even my pastor. Dicks are made to stroke so lets quit hiding and lying and skeet skeet skeet on the walls.
3. No such thing as absurd lie…………..
Your friend has the AIDS.
H = high value husband
W = high value wife
h = low value husband
w = low value wife
if H&W, then lying.
if H&w, then absurdly lying.
if h&W, then not lying.
if h&w, then not lying, but would like to be lying.
3. the second. there are rare cases in the first example where the H man is sufficiently religiously indoctrinated that he sacrifices his primal urges on the altar of monogamy.
Once again, I’m way late to the posting.
Seriously, by the illustration, the guy is picking up cosplayers. And seriously, this is retarded. Fucking girls based purely on quantity is retarded. Counting notches after your freshman year in college is retarded. At the rate he’s hitting it he was a virgin about three months ago. What a shmuck.
I just felt the need ot be the 50th comment to match such a lofty goal.
I’m with V. She said weiner.
imagine how many of them he banged in the ass
I loaded this post in my browser and in another tab, was searching for Lloyd Braun, who was in Seinfeld, and that link led me to this. What a set of contrasting posts.
Seriously, you should have a guessing game on this site as to what kind of hair 49th and 50th chick had that your friend boned?
The prize: write a foreword/page in your upcoming book (whichever works out)
B0ll0cks, I closed the wrong end of that link.
Hedonistic posted 10 times on this message.
Struck a nerve, mayhap?
From your drawing it looks like he bangs a lot of trolls…
No Jinxy, just bored and suffering at work (it was 90 degrees in my office yesterday, heater is wack). Why Roosh and not some other poor schmuck?Maybe ’cause he’s furry and I like that?
I troll Roosh when I’m bored, because his site keeps appearing on my IE dropdown box (I’m lazy) and because it’s so easy.
Thanks for answering my questions. I find it interesting that you think that a high value male would only be monogamous if he’s sufficiently religiously indoctrinated. My husband is completely non-religious, but has not sex with anyone but me, even though I’m not pretty, and have packed on the pounds since we first got together. Women love, love, love him, and before I came along he cycled through girlfriends constantly. We had a completely open relationship until we got married, but he refused to take advantage of it, saying he only liked me and had no interest in other women.
As you can imagine, hearing his declarations of total love and loyalty over the years has confused me when juxtaposed against the cynical comments on this blog about male behavior. Shouldn’t my husband be spending his twenties banging every chick he can, instead of fucking my fat ass for the rest of his life? I keep waiting for him to wake up and realize what he’s missing, but he assures me that he loves married life and has no interest in singlehood.
The second question I posed referenced the husband of one of my best friends. When she told her girlfriends that her husband had never masterbated none of us believed it, and our boyfriends/husbands all said it was BS.
lady biz, there are behavioral constraints besides religion, such as social mores, peer disapproval, lack of opportunity to indulge the baser instincts, and simple inertia. also, what i wrote above is a generalization. to be sure, there are exceptions, but if i were a betting man…
being deeply in love works to stifle the urge to cheat. those who have experienced it would know what i’m saying when i say that such a euphoric state can literally blind you to other women or men. you lapse into a sort of dreamworld where, if you are a man, other women’s beauty does not hold the same sway over your perceptions. the drive to pick up strange women gets muted.
the bad news is that this state doesn’t last long even under the best of circumstances (2 years tops for those lucky few) and it is often children that keep the embers of a relationship lit. and when love is waning it does not go in a sudden thunderclap; it fades to black. but there are developments which can hasten the loss of love. if your husband turns beta or you get fat and unattractive there will be a lag time between the first twinge of confusion and the barren icy wasteland of a dying love given over to complete indifference. he may love you now and truly feel it, but the longer you stay fat the greater is the likelihood that his words will feel empty to him… and then to you.
since i like you, and your advocacy of capitalism warms my heart, i’m going to give you a bit of advice. lose the weight. if you treasure your husband’s love and respect his desires as a man then you must get thin again. i’m not mentioning health reasons because that is often not enough to get people to change their bad habits where a threat of divorce might.
if you start noticing your husband wanting sex from you less and less frequently, and he begins to show signs of insensitivity or inconsideration where before there were none, then please return to my words. heed this warning. you don’t strike me as someone who is a wishful thinker, so i suspect you are more ably equipped than most to make those changes that will bring you continued happiness.
the doctor of love is in,
ps: barring eunuchs, there isn’t a man alive who hasn’t whacked off. christ, it’ll happen involuntarily with the right gust of wind after so much time ignoring its needs.
Goddamn it Roissy, with your common sense and whatnot.
I know I need to lose the weight. I want to lose the weight. But the inertia of sloth is tough to overcome. Plus I have a fucked up relationship with food that I need to normalize somehow.
Of course the basic underlying problem is that I have never, even in my skinny days, considered myself particularly attractive, and so I never really cared about my appearance. My personality and intelligence, such as they are, are my “selling points” so that’s where my focus has been. When I started gaining weight I barely noticed because I never liked looking at myself to begin with. Even during periods when I have dropped 20 or 30 lbs I couldn’t see a difference, so I found little reason to bother with all the self-restriction.
So basically, I need to forget about myself here and consider this my way to keep my man, especially as he becomes more established and successful in his career, and thus more appealing to the ladies than he already is.
Damn you Gloria Steinem! You were wrong!
50 one night stands means 50-150 instances of intercourse in a lifetime. Not much.
If I knew penis length and average number of strokes I might change my statistical view. But I doubt it.
that dudes a pimp…
Sorry I’ve been off here for a while, just got back from Europe and have been very busy.
Just scanned through some of the exchange between Roissy and Lady Bizness. Interesting LB has “packed on the pounds” and describes herself as “not pretty”, yet her (presmably) catch of a husband remains 100% faithful and wouldn’t even think of straying.
Nothing against LB, but you gotta wonder about what some men’s motivations are.
Here in Vegas I know a couple where the woman (about 35) is so morbidly obese she’s confined to a wheelchair. This woman is not just grossly fat, she is a complete SPHERE — she must weigh close to 400 pounds. She is so disabled and enfeebled by her weight she has to carry around an oxygen tank on her wheelchair and breath through a nose tube. I’m not making this up.
Her husband (also about 35) is slim, tall, and almost movie-star good looking, and devotedly wheels her around on the wheelchair.
I don’t know much more about this couple… not sure I really wanna know. But still, it strikes me as bizarre, and makes me wonder what underlying weirdness lurks behind this couple’s public facade.
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So in the US would you say 50 is a large number?
Up here in Northern Europe I wouldn’t call it so big. Maybe above average, but definetely not very much.
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