Hey ive read some on the forum here and i think some of u guys are just a-holes (im a guy to). Now why are you even trying to get laid on a first date, sure a kiss would be cool but never ever more then that. You date because your looking for that special girl with that perfect chemestry with you.

Even saying that my opinion is till wrong, cuz every human have their own way of getting a girl. Sure if u want a slut then get a slut. But the main reason to dating is to find someone you want to spend your life with not just havin sex with.

If a girl would ask you out on a coffee date and not a bar or something like that, its thier own way of saying “im looking for a mature guy that i can fall in love with”

Roosh, i think you only got to the first date on these dating tips huh?

I don’t know about guys here but when im on a date i want to find someone i care about not a sex toy. Relationships based on alcohol never tend to work in the long run :)

Men and women are equals. This does not mean that they are equal in every single thing they do. For example, men are, on average, physically stronger than women. It is much easier for a semi attractive (even a 6/10) woman to go out and get laid. The same cannot be said about men. Men have to work at it, have some skill (game) and thereby get a woman to sleep with them. It is a LOT harder for an equally attractive man to get women than it is the other way around. This is one of reasons behind why we, as a society, naturally celebrate men who are successful in bedding multiple women; while at the same time shame women who bed multiple men.

Let us briefly visit the topic of virginity from both perspectives. Virginity in a man is not a desirable state or label when it comes to an attribute that the opposite sex wants. This is because he has obviously not been preselected by other women. However, female virginity is not looked at negatively in the least by men. If she looks decent, no man cares if the girl is a virgin or not. In fact, a female virgin is often wanted more.

Now don’t get me wrong, men LOVE sluts. We will never turn down an opportunity to sleep with a good looking slut. Partly because she’s good in bed, partly because it’s sex. But any decently intelligent, self-respecting man will know that it is a terrible idea to emotionally involve himself with(i.e. date) a slutty girl. That would be a very dumb move. Why would any man want to get emotionally involved with a girl who’s had 15+ sexual partners? We would just be setting ourselves up for failure. There are many nice worthy girls out there who don’t have daddy issues and haven’t slept with an entire fraternity house. But, by all means, fvck the brains out of sluts in the meanwhile.

Most guys can detect when a girl is a slut by the first few dates and by what he hears about the girl from other people and from the girl herlself. We put this information together and figure out if she is dating material or not. If not, I like most guys, will still go in for the prize but have no intention of following through with dating the dirty little tart.

To put it simply, a lock that can be opened by many keys is a useless lock and of little worth. But a key that can open many locks is a master key and is valuable.

ok here is the thing a date is a date ,you got your foot in the door don’t mess it up. and if you cant find common ground with out using alcohol or are very shallow good friggin luck. if from going where ever she wants you cant cope and try to get to a common intrest she is gonna tell you to move on. its about a girl being serious she wants standards and shes trying to see if you have them. plus she is trying to be safe a coffie shop is very public and yet private enough. its more about safety and security than anything. ive been to many coffee dates trust me.

[...] and go as we wait for our appointment to arrive. We can delight in the smell of the fresh ground coffee and anticipate how tasty it will be and how it will wake us up and get us ready for the rest of our [...]

Well in Greece the coffee thing is the casual and typical first date(s), but i do agree for that matter; it does slow things down. Besides you cannot be cool all the time for 2 hours as easily and hence bar dates are better in the sense that you can talk less and even dance and/or kink with her far more easily.

In an ideal world, coffee would be a nice first meet.

Unfortunately, it’s just too easy for women to abuse online dating and the coffee date to fill that void night in their weekly schedule.

[...] A bad meeting spot can kill the mood for you and your companion, especially if the place was not conducive to great conversation to begin with. Coffee and dinner dates don’t allow you to get intimate and inhibitions remain high. When is the last time you made out with a girl in a coffee shop? [...]

Lol, “people who don’t kiss on the first date are hopeless losers”?

What a retard. and people like him are writing dating books? nicee….

Some girls view the bar as cheesy, and cheap. We all know how american woman value money and status. Even some foreigners feel this way.

I once met this Russian girl in NYC who was sitting all by herself in the bar. She looked decent (solid 7) and alone so i decided to talk to her. It turns out she had a great personality and she actually was waiting for her best friend to take her home. She was really attracted to me. She even said she loved my dark mahagony skin tone.

Naturally because she was at my favorite bar i asked her to come back. She declined.

She wanted me to show her more of NYC as this was her first year living here and the adjustment to english and life was challenging. I did show her around and we had fun. Only reason why we didnt fuck was because of my guilt (already in a relationship with another) and i didnt want to upset such a nice girl. So I just faded out of the picture.

My point is many women especialy foreign ones do not understand or like the bar scene. Women are more paticular and bar is scary place for a lot of women. Me being the happy drunk I am didn’t know that back then

Me: “Time for you to get some me-time.”

Her: “Where?”

Me: “Starbucks in Gateway at 7PM.”

Her: “Ok.”

Really, there is a cheap bar just around the corner. But why let the enemy see your battle field? Eh, eh? Right. She shows up thinking coffee, and gets slain. Roosh IS a genius, but let’s not hate on thinking a few moves ahead – coffee shop is a great pawn.

And then dress right: http://two.cedonulli.com/2011/07/how-to-dress-for-a-date/

[...] was still doing dinner and coffee for first dates, which led to [...]

1) “if the girl doesn’t let her pick you up from her house w/o a extremely legit reason, don’t take her care out. Move on QUICK”

I think you’re reading that one wrong – if I woman doesn’t know the guy well (first date with no prior experience with each other), why would she let him know where she lives? What if he turns out to be some sort of psycho?

2.) “If she suggests going out as a group of friends, don’t take her out.”

See answer to #1 – if a girl is seeing a guy she doesn’t know well yet, there is safety in numbers.

3.) “If she’s got to be home in one hour or less, don’t take her out. In fact, stand her up.”

I may not agree with standing her up, but I agree if she can’t make time for the date, its not worth the time and you should probably decline the date – you can’t figure out much about a person in an hour.

i also disagree, i went into one coffee date with this mentality and ended up staying over at her house and not getting much sleep lol. so coffee dates can end as well as anyother

[...] of online dating, but at a Vietnamese [iced coffee] place; or in Little Italy for the good lattes. [Roosh might have an aversion to the coffee date, but I imagine its hard to get any 'of age', decent, [...]

I’m not understanding the argument against the coffee date, it all comes down to your frame — She’s working for YOUR attention, and that doesn’t matter if its at a bar or a coffee shop. In fact, the coffee shop is far less threatening which can go for extra mileage.

If you’re a mook and can’t hold down a conversation, by all means, get her drunk. If you’re confident and articulate I’d vote for the coffee shop nine times out of ten. You might not be able to make out on the premises, but it’s an excellent precursor for whatever you have planned next (you DO have a goal in mind, don’t you?)

Short translation is dont do coffee dates, go to a bar, make a move the first time and move on if its not on.

Whats with all that girly analysis about why she ticks the way she does and why that makes the do/dont stuff what it is.

WOW!!!! A blog full of immature jerks who only think with their lower head! What an entertainment that was! LMAO! It’s also funny how a few think they can have “long-term” relationships and also try to justify this with lame and unfounded pseudo-arguments! LOL!

One thing I gotta say: THANK GOD FOR COFFEE DATES!!! The best filtering process you can ever have to sort the good guys from the bad ones!

Guys if you want one night stands you should go to night clubs and leave the rest of the mature population alone. I dream of the day where space travel is going to be trivial so they can whisk you all (loose men and women) to a far-away planet where you can immerse yourselves in whatever debauchery and promiscuous activities you want. The slogan for these transfer trips would be simple: “Save our Planet, Earth”.

listen guys: from a woman’s perspective YOU’VE GOT IT ALL WRONG!!

This post makes me sick. Can’t you see what ignorant idiots you are? I genuinely feel sorry for any women that will date you.

Open your horizons! Women should also not go on coffee shop dates. Guys who invite women to a first date on a coffee shop are saying “I am cheap and not one bit creative” or “I am so very insecure I can’t pull this thing off, better not bother trying.”