How To Tell If A Girl Is Serious About Fucking

I like to think there are two kinds of prospects: one where the girl is serious about fucking and one where she’s not.

The girl who is serious about fucking either likes you a lot and/or hasn’t gotten laid in a while. The latter reason, especially, will do more to ensure sex in a rapid matter. She likes sex, thinks of sex, masturbates almost nightly with her foot long black dildo, and sincerely wants to get laid. And it’s not so much that’s she naturally horny because in America if you haven’t gotten laid in a month then you’re a huge loser, so many girls try to relieve this friction by banging random men only a few hours after meeting them. (I wish this was the case in non-Western parts of the world.)

The second girl is more wishy-washy. Sure she wants to get laid, but as a sexual camel she can go a while without it. Sometimes flirtatious attention is good enough to hold her off for months. There is no urgency for her, which is a headache for the horny man.

The way to find out if she is serious about fucking or not is by the end of the first date.

If you try for the kiss, and you don’t get it, she is not serious about fucking. I’m not saying you can’t eventually fuck her, but you’ll be chasing that pussy for many weeks.

If you try for the kiss, and you do get it, she is serious about fucking. She may not fuck you, but if you play your game right there is a coin-flip chance you will hit.

It’s that simple. A sloppy make outs on the very same night you meet her is not a reliable indicator because maybe she just wanted to kiss a guy, but setting a date with a new guy and slobbering over his face at the end of that date is a pretty good indicator of how earnest she is.

In addition, if she flakes last minute on the first date, she is definitely not serious about fucking. This is highly disrespectful actually and worthy of phone number deletion. I’ve never been able to turn around a seduction where the girl flaked on the first date.

I had a first date with a Colombian girl a few months ago and didn’t get the kiss at the end of a four hour date. My Colombian friend said, “Oh that’s no problem, girls here rarely kiss on the first date.” So it’s a cultural phenomenon right? Wrong, because I’ve had other first dates in Colombia where the kiss happened (including a daytime date at a park). Sure enough I got her on the phone again and while she claimed to want to hang out, she wanted to wait a week when she wasn’t busy with school. Not serious about fucking. Don’t waste your time with these girls. This is a reason why your first dates should be reasonably-priced drinks, to screen out girls who are merely looking for attention and not veiny cock.

If you don’t kiss by the first date, you won’t hit sooner than date five. What pussy is worth that kind of investment?

Allow me to answer that… none.

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  • Steve Lurkel

    Great post, Roosh. It’s exactly what I needed to read today.

  • http://www.thegmanifesto.com The G Manifesto

    This is why I try to kiss a girl at the very first opportunity possible. Sometimes within minutes of meeting her. (Although I tailor this approach toward the specific girl).

    Its a strong move, but I don’t suggest it unless you are like me and wear insanely dope custom suits non-stop and you got swagger for days, while huffing on cigarettes, even if it is in a weak “no smoking” establishment.

    Always collapse time frames.

    “I’ve had other first dates in Colombia where the kiss happened (including a daytime date at a park).”

    I think daytime park swoops can many times be easier than night swoops with Latina girls. As long as you set the right tone, and cultivate that swoop atmosphere. And you have strong Game.

    That being said, I think with every Colombian Girl I have swooped, I got denied on kissing her when I first met her.

    - MPM

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  • URF

    G: why do you think that is re: daytime park swoops vs night swoops with Latina girls?

  • http://recklessnessandaudacity.blogspot.com TAllagash

    yeah, thanks. just what i needed to read today as well. “Not Serious About Fucking”.
    that does indeed straight sum it up.

    TAllagash’s last blog post: Insightful.

  • http://thedatingcroniclesoftylerd.blogspot.com/ Tyler

    On a more long term scale. If a girl doesn’t fuck by the 3rd date, don’t bother calling for the fourth. She will require too much maintenance and expect too much of a commitment for a casual relationship. I usually cut girls off by the second. Even 3 date fucks have a significantly shorter life expectancy compared to the 1st and 2nd date fucks.

    Tyler’s last blog post: Simplify First.

  • http://krauserpua.wordpress.com Krauser

    Elegantly simple approach. I shall keep this in mind when on dates. It certainly matches my prior experiences.

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  • http://vksempireofdirt.com Virgle Kent

    Fuck that first date kiss mess. This is exactly why I use the “whip your dick out approach”. The first chance you have alone to pull out your junk, do it and act like there’s nothing weird or unnatural about it. This is how your tell if she’s for real for real about fucking or not.

    My dick has been out so many times at different spots during a date, dance floor, sushi table, taxi cab, she pulls back from a hug… there’s my dick, she goes in for a handshake goodnight surprise… theres my dick.

  • Paul

    Great Article Name!

    Lol

  • Chris

    haha..yeah, a skilled man can generally fuck by the third date. If I like a girl, then I can’t respect her for future dates if she fucks before the third date. If she does, I pretty much wont call her again. So, while I’ll take the fuck, it ruins any further possibility of anything happening beyond a booty call.

    If a girl fucks on the 1st or second date, I can pretty much assume that she’s fucking multiple other guys frequently and, while philosophically I don’t give a shit, its kind of nasty. If you think that if she fucks you on the 1st-2nd date, that she hasn’t been plowed more than an old corn field, then your delusional. Plus, and more importantly, you won’t ever be able to trust her even a little bit if thats something you ever want to care about. I like my girls clean and tight.

    If she doesn’t fuck by the third date, then there should be some significant action. If not, then its not looking good for her. But sometimes I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and give her the fourth date, but she’ll wait for it.

  • http://[email protected] Bon

    I don’t even do dates any more. It’s 100% SNL for me. I’m just bored of playing.

    I simply assume every girl is 100% more whoreish than you can even imagine or a completely boring, ballbusting waste of time.

    Give me a girl that’s down for a SNL, then hopefully she’s cool to hang out with. I don’t want to feel bad about wanting to bang her and her best friend a couple months from now in the hot tub. I just want it to be natural and fun.

    Hopefully even if we’re in our forties she’s still down for the occasional lez fest with her girlfriend from work. Anything less and I’m going to be fantasizing and feeling like an old Herb, cheating on her with hookers or the slut from accounting. I’d rather be honest with expectations from the start. – Bon

  • therealdeal

    Hi real, I do agree with you, and this is very similar in mindset to ModeOne: let the women know what you’re really thinking.

    Seriously, if you haven’t read that book I ll send it to you.

    anyways, a lot of people in the seduction community are into chasing girls that are just not that into them, thus they want to “seduce” her into liking them…aint gonna happen.

  • CT

    I pretty much agree with you here, but I’d have to say that it’s really by the 2nd date to find out whether she is serious. I’ve hooked up and banged girls who I did not kiss on the first date. Usually the first date for me is more of a feeling out process, seeing whether she is worth it, cool, horny etc. I guess it also depends on how the first meeting went, but for the most part you are right on.

    I like your blog posts, you seem to have the same mentality when it comes to women as I do. I also like to go for efficiency, and don’t waste my time on women who are not interested. The poster above is right when he says a lot of guys go after and chase girls who just arent into them, I just delete the # and get more.

  • Chris

    yeah, reading and really integrating mode one was the turning point in my dating life… It took a little while though to really meld it with my personality and to tweak it to make it work for me… Now, if a girl will talk to me/date me at least twice, then I can get her into sex quickly…

    However, the rest of good dating fundamentals taught elsewhere still apply. Just drop all the indirect pussy bullshit.

  • Roosh

    Tyler: I use the 3 date rule for Western girls, though for foreign girls I extend that to 5 dates. The last time I had to do that was with a brazilian girl, and for her it was still too fast.

  • stone

    chris: be careful bro, don’t get sucked into games women play. if she won’t sleep with you by date #3, that doesn’t prove shit. maybe she decided to follow ‘the rules’ if she saw a good provider in you. but she will still suck that bad boy’s cock within an hour of meeting him.

    the only way test her character is the test of time. and still, even after years of no-cheating, you may not be 100%b sure. on the other hand, i’ve slept with girls on the first night, who’ve later turned out to be great girlfriend (or even friend!) material.

  • D

    FWIW I have fucked a girl on the second date after she wouldn’t give me the kiss at the bar where I met her. I guess it’s technically the first date. But in any case I tried to kiss close her several times at the bar and she rejected me. On the date (which was really dinner and a DVD at my place) I did a lot of push-pull: make out, then get up and check my email; make out more, then turn on the football game. I also told her i never have sex on the first date.

  • Vinnie

    Forget this kissing on the first date. Go for the lay. If she’s willing to make out with you on the first date she’s probably willing to fuck you. Why bother delaying until the second or third date? Persist until you get either sex or rejection. If she rejects you she probably wasn’t serious in the first place. Be a bad boy and go for the lay on the first date. She’ll respect you for it.

  • rdj

    ahahaha Virgle, will have to try the junk out tactic :D

  • Roosh

    17: This is what I advise in Bang, but truth of the matter is most guys will not get the one night stand and need to go through the dating process.

  • sandwich

    what about if a girl straight up tells you, “I’m serious about fucking”.. wouldn’t that just solve all these problems of having to read signs or body language or whatever. I’m an advocate of women being more upfront about things, it saves time and energy for both the guy and girl. Girls who don’t make it clear or have no intention of having sex with you and don’t make it KNOWN by the first date are dumb attention whores. you should know from other reasons, other than the kiss by the first date whether she’s serious about fucking. when you are attracted to a guy (hence why you’re out with him to begin with), I think there are other ways to make it clear that you’re really into him sexually..kissing, groping and I also think letting him finger you on the first date is a good way to let him know you’re serious about sex. And if he doesn’t try to finger you, sneak into an alley and just guide his hands down there while kissing. Plus, a lot of girls just like making out with dudes and think kisses don’t mean anything.. kissing on a first date is NOT the best determinant as to whether a girl is gonna have sex with you.. the other things that go on during the kiss (her moaning with pleasure or letting you touch her elsewhere) is more key.

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  • CT

    17: Definitely the best strategy as you just find out then and there. I like this aggressive approach and use it, gets right to the point.

    20: I would also like women to be more up front. The reality of the matter IME is that very very rarely will this ever happen. It’s more of a words versus action thing. I had one girl a couple of weeks ago who said she ‘really really wanted to hang out’ but flaked twice. Well fuck it, I move on. And yes most women are attention whores, especially nowadays with the internet they don’t even have to leave the house. You’re definitely right escalating quickly and constantly upping the ante will tell you whether she is serious.

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  • Anonymous

    But how do you explain that some girls will fuck you before they even kiss?
    Get over it, some girls just don’t like to kiss because it means too much for them, but they WILL fuck. I have experience with this. How do you explain that?

  • MM

    I’m like ADD when it comes to dating. If I don’t get it the first or second night, I lose interest. It’s easy though – and the “whip it out” trick works – almost every time. It does for me anyway.
    You start by saying “give me a hug” or some shit like that. Look for a tattoo or something – an excuse to get another hug. Start making out then- whip it out. It works.
    Call me a pig, but, I get action most of the time this way so, whatever.

  • olivio

    the concept of whipping it out is not bad in principle but these days with sexual assault slanders being tossed around willy nilly, i hesitate. i do have a variation however, where the girl is in my apartment and i leave the room, say to get drinks from the kitchen and return with the drinks sans clothing and preferably a stiffie

  • DaveC

    Maybe an article on “Differences in Spotting the Attention Whore vs. the Interested”. Generally its hard to tell in the big city I live in. These girls are way better trained and expert gold diggers. Short of lying about income – either 7 figs or 0 (its actually better to drink PBRs and fake lower socioeconomic status here. Some guys could use a litte training (like me) on faking being rich, acting intentionally poor. That is the golden ring…just gotta learn how.

  • Alex

    You sound like such a dick (and SO not in the good way ;) ). I mean, no offence, cause you propably know that anyway, but if any girl read this before meeting you (not being one that just want to get laid) as far as touching her goes you could count only on getting slaped – so i envy your acting skills or the natural ability to pick up girls with room tmperature IQ…

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  • Banger

    Well, i have sex with girls i didn’t kiss on the first date. I usually go in for the kill at the first date. usually if you get a girl somewhere where she is comfortable the draws are coming off. i have a 100% sucess rate everytime. i gotten girls to have sex that don’t have sex on the first date.

  • Miles

    So many women are straight up whores, i cant even count how many fucken times ive heard “i dont do this on the first date” or “ive never done this before” please…take it from me if you dont get none but the 3rd (and thats wayyyy too long for me) then leave the bitch shes not worth your time if all u want sex. Not worth it, I made that mistake and learned from it, too much time energy money and shit involved fuck al that, go for broke and handle that while you can. You might never see here again for whatever reason at least you can bust a nut (remember girls do love sex just as much) they just dont show that usually.

  • Anonymous

    the guy who posted originally is obviously young and a complete moron. The only people that could be listening him must also be very young and very moronic. Good luck you douche bags. When your fourty and fucking gross to look at think off all the mistakes with women you are making now.

  • MiamiGuy

    Love the post. And the poster above me is probably a woman or some gay guy. I’ve made too many mistakes by not going in for the kill on the first date because I wanted to show her that I “respect” her. WRONG move, dead wrong. I was making out with a Peruvian 20yr hottie all night and got her back to my place and didn’t try and smash and guess what? She hasn’t hung out with me since. If I would have hit on the first night (which I could of) she’d still be blowing me periodically, live and learn I guess.

  • Anonymous

    you guys are all whores looking for whores!!! you’ll end up either with some disease that will shorten your life, or as an old single pervert, unless you grow up mentally.

  • Clark

    I am 23 years old and I have never had sex, well at least not vaginal sex. I got oral sex once from a prostitute 2 years ago, but that’s it.

  • Anonymous

    i just like to rub girls bits and shag them and i like it when they do it back to me i mean i just like to rub their boobs, bits and bums

  • Anonymous

    FUCK! How can I fuck her she’s older than me… and experience it already…!! (T_T)

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  • Anonymous

    That also depends on how you meet the girl. If you meet through friends you have a better chance of it happening. If you meet her online, don’t expect it to happen the same night or even the second time. A lot of people lie on online dating profiles & your chances of her being friends with people you know that could put in a good word for you are very slim. Women have to be leery about the first few nights before even going home with someone because for all she knows the guy could be a psychopath, a rapist, or an asshole who just uses women for sex. That also applies to the bars but sometimes we get lucky.

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  • Anonymous

    You guys are missing it. Sure getting laid is fun, but so is driving a sports car, shooting a deer, playing sports, or whatever else you do for pleasure. I’m not criticizing anyone for wanting to have sex; it’s only natural. But, developing a relationship with someone of the other sex (or same sex if you’re homosexual) and then having the opportunity to make love and not just fuck is where it’s at! If you’ve never done this, make it a goal. If everyone in the world sought love and not just a quick lay, I believe the world would be a cheerier place. It takes a great deal of trust, and inner contentedness to achieve this, but it’s absolutely worth the effort!

  • Anonymous

    WTF. u horny bastards are pathetic. I bet 50$ that half of u have NEVER had sex. My first time was with this girl who fucking hated horny retards who acted like if their dicks are a foot long.I just lent her a hand to get away from them then 5 months later… well u can imagine whatever sick porn u people watch.If you want someone horny for anything, go buy some whore at a bar.I tried the take it slow trick and actually works.TRY not to get your hormones crazy for any contact u make with a girl, trust me, it works if u want someone special. Oh yeah that girl is sleeping in my bed right now. NO we are not going to make some sick porn for u dicks. Something tells me that u people are going to be gay to satisfy your super active sexual needs.

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  • Tyrell

    nigga you got laid after 5 whole months, shut the fuck up with your whipped ass self

  • rocky

    we all do some just dont turn it lose if they did they might find someone they might like

  • rocky

    that is to long to wait you got to move on to the next girl

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  • rocky

    sure we do like hunting and fishing and all but getting laid sounds a whole lot better dont you think

  • rocky

    call one up and see if she wants to go out and maybe she will let you have a little of that stuff you know women are just like men they want sex just as bad as you just dont want you to know that

  • rocky

    that only works in the movies

  • rocky

    what does age got to do with it you want it let her know she might turn you on to it

  • resist

    wrong. it’s the same thing online. it happens. all. the. time.

  • Eileen

    My boyfreind pulled me down on the first date, and I told him I did not want to have sex with him, so he just let me give him a BJ.

  • A girl

    Omg, this post makes me want to swear off men forever & become a lesbian or something… I hope every one of you fucks has all daughters!!!