The Danish system of equality is amplified by Jante Law, a set of cultural rules that is deeply engrained in every Dane. Its main tenet can be summed up as: “No one is superior to anyone else.”
It’s taboo to show off, brag, or even indirectly show your value. You can’t talk about how much you enjoy your job, how you bought an awesome brand new anything, or how generally happy you are with life—anything that might show how you may be better than your audience. When you disagree with someone, you have to be very gentle about criticizing them because otherwise you would imply that you’re smarter. You can never say “you’re wrong” to anyone. Most Danes avoid possible arguments by simply not bringing up their contrary opinions.
1. Don’t think you’re anything special.
2. Don’t think you’re as good as us.
3. Don’t think you’re smarter than us.
4. Don’t convince yourself that you’re better than us.
5. Don’t think you know more than us.
6. Don’t think you are more important than us.
7. Don’t think you are good at anything.
8. Don’t laugh at us.
9. Don’t think anyone cares about you.
10. Don’t think you can teach us anything.
Take a minute to think about the resulting personalities of people who believe in these rules. Combine it with Danes not being risk takers. Can you imagine the type of conversations that result?
Painfully boring conversations.
Everyone is scared of generalizing or giving strong opinions. Risky topics are avoided. Showing knowledge or experience must be done in a light-handed way. All your accomplishments, no matter how small, must be minimized to make them a result of luck instead of hard work or innate talent. You can’t judge those who are less fortunate than you by calling them lazy or stupid. You’re immediately punished for showing any real spark or emotion. You must hide your individuality and conform to what society expects of you.
The Danish egalitarian system and Jante Law feed on each other to form what is one of the most liberal, feminist-friendly societies in the world. Therefore, when it comes to getting laid, your American attitude and belief system will cockblock the fuck out of you before you even open your mouth. Since basically the entire point of game is showing you’re better than the next guy, something that Jante Law specifically forbids, it’s no surprise to find that game efforts will not be well received in Denmark, especially if you consider yourself an alpha male. It was amusing how often and how quickly I’d offend every Danish girl without even trying.
In the States you may have heard someone say, “If the police want to get you, they will. There are so many laws on the books that you’re always breaking one at any point.” I feel the same way with Jante Law. As an American, you’re breaking every facet of Jante Law just by being American. Your confident body language alone is breaking tenets one and four. Understand that Danish culture will cockblock you on your every approach.
Even minor game techniques go over poorly in Denmark. For example, let’s take a look at this statement: “When I was in Colombia for six months, I studied Spanish. I got good at it, but now I suck again.” A pretty innocent way to show value to a girl, right? Not in Denmark. I’m implying that I’m more well-traveled than her and also more knowledgeable in the realm of language. I’m breaking Jante Law. The girl will punish me by withdrawing from the conversation.
You’re probably thinking that this is absurd. That’s because you’re from a country like America, England, Australia, or Canada, where that type of statement will be rewarded with female interest. The conversation you’re supposed to have in Denmark should be void of these types of “value drops” while at the same time not teasing her at all, since teasing implies that you’re better than her. Consider that even wearing a tight t-shirt that shows off your muscles comes close to breaking Jante Law because you’re bragging that you’re stronger than someone else. In Denmark, individuality must be destroyed for the greater good. You’re not an individual, just a worthless slug that is just like all the other slugs.
While the Danish government has made human rights more egalitarian, Jante Law has made sex more egalitarian. Instead of a few guys fucking all the women like in the States (while the sexual losers stay home and play World of Warcraft), you have more Danish guys getting laid, though with fewer partners. In other words, the alpha male is neutralized in Denmark. He’s not rewarded with more sex for his alphaness because alphaness breaks Jante Law.
If you were in a country where game didn’t really matter and everyone downplayed their attractiveness by looking like they had just come out of a thrift store, which man would fuck the most women? Answer: the one with the best social circle.
My biggest complaint about Jante Law is that there is a double standard in how it’s applied. I’ve already remarked how Denmark is a highly feminist country. It’s a place where women think they’re equal or superior to men, eager to castrate them for displays of alpha masculinity. So can you take a guess as to which gender will be hypocrites when it comes to the law’s application?
Danish women are the most hypocritical breed of female I have ever encountered. Let me give you an example. In conversations, I would make a comment about how Danish women aren’t feminine or that the state shouldn’t be so eager to take care of drug addicts who have no interest in quitting. I was then scolded for having “expectations” of how people should or shouldn’t act and that I was attributing a person’s faults to his nature instead of his environment. Fair enough—that was their argument and I can respect another person’s opinion.
Then five minutes later, I’d say I was going to Poland. The Danish girl would frown and say, “Why Poland? The people there are ugly. Polish girls are dirty prostitutes.” Really? You just got on me for generalizing, but now you’re doing it five times worse. This happened to me at least a couple of times each week.
You’re not allowed to criticize Denmark or their way of life, since you’re just a stupid, possibly fat American, but she can criticize anything she wants while shitting on your opinion at the same time. This angered me to no end, and the fact that Danish women ended up being so wrong about Polish women suggests they hold some jealousy towards them.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Jante Law has two real purposes. The first is to hold men down. It serves to cherish women and their opinions and hypocrisy while preventing you from “fighting” back. A girl can break Jante Law but you can’t, and if you do, you’ll be banished from the tribe. This is a classic case of women demanding equality but then perpetuating inequality to further their cause at the expense of men’s.
The second feature of Jante Law is to keep your neighbor down. If there is no benefit for your neighbor to show off his unique character, experience, or wealth, that means he’ll be more ashamed about doing better in life than you. Jante Law is like an anti-bragging behavioral modification drug meant to make people who aren’t as skilled or successful as you feel better about themselves.
What Jante Law ultimately does is protect the egos of women and the unambitious who constantly feel the need to compare their lot with everyone else’s. While I approve of the benefits the government gives to all its citizens, Jante Law is something I can’t live with. Unfortunately, we have to accept that they go hand-in-hand, that we can’t fulfill basic human rights for all without viewing everyone as equal. That’s fine for most people, but I’ve spent way too much time happily surviving in the jungle to pack my bags and move into the zoo.
The above article was adapted from my newest release, Don't Bang Denmark, a 72-page hater travel guide that teaches you how to sleep with Danish women while simultaneously convincing you not to go. It contains tourist tips, game advice, sex stories, and hate. It gives you all the information you need to dislike Denmark with extra details not released on the blog. It's available in both paperback and ebook. Read sample pages or learn more about the book.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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Jante Law originates in the behavior of small farming, foresting, mining, and fishing communities. These were always relatively egalitarian, as Scandinavia never developed feudalism unlike the rest of the West. In other words, it predates the benefits you approve of. The welfare state is nearly as highly developed in most other countries of Northwestern Europe (Switzerland is the major exception), but the attitudes there are different.
I’ve always found offending Scandinavian women to be somewhat successful, but perhaps this works better for me than you since I look like them?
Either way, the stifling social attitudes you describe along with the highly restrictive welfare state are why my father emigrated in 1974. He used to import muscle cars from America soldiers in Germany and resell them to gearheads in Sweden. He loved showing off his wealth and fucking with the authorities. There was no room for someone like him in Scandinavia.
i’ve come across (perhaps a slightly less virulent) form of this in germany too
quite a few german women i’ve known would jump on anything i had said that could be perceived as judgemental
but were free to make sweeping generalisations themselves about anyone and everything
Is Jante Law stronger in Denmark than other Scandinavian countries? If so any ideas why?
It doesn’t sound so bad to me… an equal society where they try to help drug addicts instead of throw them in prison (which does not help).
Her comments about Polish girls are ridiculous though, I am from England but I work with some Polish people and they are good and hard working. Maybe your comment about living in Colombia put her off for other reasons? Like you are a bit of a wanderer, not settled anywhere…that kind of thing.
I really really really want to see you go to France. The women in Paris are absurd hot and nobody is fat.
Cut the bullshit and hit the greatest city on earth pronto.
You say being alpha is working against guy, but isn’t woman hardwired to sexually respond to alpha.
Sure I can see how those laws give her more power and ability to shit test a guy to the death and be socially approved bitch, but I am also think that basic human nature and physiology is same no matter where this person from, and I think any woman will want to be with strong guy rather with some beta who accepted his defeat (talking about danish guys here from your description) and surrendered.
What’s this Roosh? First you say that a society that provides healthcare to all it’s citizens is superior to one than the one that leaves them to fend for itself. I may not agree, but I guess you are an egalitarian. So atleast you would be consistent in applying this to all areas of your life right? Nope, suddenly you turn around and say that a society where alpha males monopolize all the sex is better than one that spreads some love around. So when it comes to healthcare, you are a communist. But when it comes to sex, you are suddenly a capitalist. Brilliant! You just criticized danish women for being hypocrites. But did you not just display hypocrisy yourself? Looks like you are all for “fend for yourself” in areas where you are competent, like getting sex. So clearly you don’t want to share the sex with your brothers. But when it comes to things you are lacking, such as money, suddenly you want the rich guys to share! Staggering hypocrisy. I’m an admirer of your ability in getting a woman to unzip her pants, but this is too much. I’ll still keep reading your blog though. Hypocrite or not, you are bloody good writer.
[Roosh: "So when it comes to healthcare, you are a communist." Calm down Fox News. I said general welfare is a strong plus to the danish system, making the human rights part of their society fair, but if you account for the overall effects that that egalitariansm has on everything, the cons outweigh the pros and therefore the American system is preferred assuming you're an alpha, which I'll take a guess that you're not. Therefore Denmark is better for YOU, but not ME. If you read the entire book this will be more clear to your brain.]
Although they do not have a Jante Law in Holland, those who know the country well (besides Amsterdam) know that EXACTLY THE SAME RULES are embedded in Dutch people. They have a saying that summarizes the same set of cultural rules. A huge misunderstanding is that The Netherlands is a liberal country where anything is possible. It is Jante without Jante, as simple as that.
Roosh’s stories at the end of the book and how they relate to Jante Law are hilariously funny and deeply disturbing at the same time.
Jante law is also somewhat present in the Netherlands. Only by standing out just a little bit, you’ll get haters not because you’re obnoxious but because you’re a white rose in a field of red roses. I hear Jante Law is especially present in Finland.
Danish here. One of my orbiters, an 18 year old 8, Danish standards, she pays for my drinks, although she almost never pays for own (beta orbiters, you know). I insult her and boss her around. She loves to touch me, even smell me, and to hold my hand when I allow it. She is fascinated by my life and creativity, everything I tell her is amazing, unless I mention other girls, according to her they are always ugly, degusting, and way too young for me (16-17). She’s a girl in love, but if we start kissing or anything else, she goes right home to her submissive beta boyfriend.
She knows that if I fuck her, I’ll get complete control of her life, and Danish girls do not like that. It turns them on, nonetheless.
i met a dane in colombia who had been in south america 8 years and then returned to jutland for a visit. he was greeted by friends and family with a simple hello as though they had seen him just yesterday. nobody ever asked about where he had been and what he had done. the implication was he thought he was better than they were by having left denmark. fucking jante law.
“That’s fine for most people, but I’ve spent way too much time happily surviving in the jungle to pack my bags and move into the zoo.”
Me too.Sounds like “The Truman Show”.I wonder if Sweden is similar to this.
I feel sorry for Danish men.They’re neutered .
I don’t have against the Danish people, but their government is also too extremist on defending the Danish “purity”.
They have some immigration policies that are very close to Hitler’s germany.
Sounds like it sucks to be in Denmark. What’s the most game-able country with socialized democarcy?
Roosh, thankyou for filling us in a little more about the haterfest against Denmark. It looks justified. A few comments below are in order.
It seems you liked Iceland more than Denmark, and Poland most of all while you were/are in Europe. Denmark seems to be your least favorite country. I’m not exactly sure where the South American countries you visited would be ranked amongst the European countries you visited. It might be interesting to find out. I’m sure that you can have overall rankings and also more specific detailed rankings. Some countries are better one way and others another way I suppose.
American culture has been moving towrds having Jante’s Law for a long time. It’s called being politically incorrect here in the USA. American women are hypocrites too and will apply the double standard. American women may not be as bad as Danish women in that regard, but they are trying to be. We may not quite be where Denmark is, but we’re moving in that direction.
I like what Bogs in post # 6 said. Maybe Danish GAME is very different from other countries especially the USA. Maybe Danish Game is more difficult than in most if not all other countries too. I know that GAME is not the same everywhere nor should you expect it to be.
It sounds like Icelandic GAME was most similar but not the same as Danish GAME. At least Iceland seemed to me to have more in the way of what Mystery(Erik Von Markovik) in his book, “The Mystery Method: How to Bed Beautiful Women”, called Fool’s Mate. Fool’s mate is a chess term otherwise known as the two move Checkmate. Mystery used it to describe a fast and usually an unbelieveably very fast seduction and BANG. He never reccommended using it, but stated it can work if the woman is extremely horny or vengeful against a boyfriend or a slut and you are the first guy to offer sex who seems decent enough or if she is very drunk. Maybe too many fool’s mates described in your articles about Iceland and maybe in your book, “Bang Iceland”(I haven’t read “Bang Iceland” and “Don’t Bang Denmark” books)is what upset Icelandic idiotic feminists off among other things. It also seems Icelandic women were a little better looking on average and had more agreeable personalities on average than Denmark. I know Poland was way better than both countries especially Denmark.
I hope the Danish press kick up a fuss.
“It’s taboo to show off, brag, or even indirectly show your value. You can’t talk about how much you enjoy your job, how you bought an awesome brand new anything, or how generally happy you are with life—anything that might show how you may be better than your audience”
-So, no Gansta Rap coming out of Denmark anytime soon. MC Neils Bohr can’t brag about his mad quantum skilz?
ALPHA = GINA TINGLES
Wouldn’t that be great? You could put the Icelandic “We’re not sluts!” complaints on 1 side of a page and the Danish “We are too sluts!” complaints on the other side.
I’m not as big of a fan of Socialism as you are. It works best for Scandinavian Europeans because they’re genetically and culturally Scandinavian. It works next best for other Northwestern Europeans for the same reasons. After that it works for other Europeans to a lesser extent for the same reasons. It may work for those of Asian especially of Japanese, Korean and Chinese and high caste South Asian genetic heritage but culturally Western Heritage. For most of everyone else, it does not work.
Here’s what you need for it to work. You need to have a bright or high IQ population. You also need to have a high level of trust and compassion for everyone even people you don’t know. You need to trust your government and be honest. You need to have a good work ethic, but also need to have an ethic about not letting work run your life. In other words you work to live not live to work.
One of the biggest mistakes people make is to assume any group of people can be Scandinavians both genetically and culturally. They can not. Northwestern Europeans come closest with other Europeans trailing behind.
I used to love to disabuse Canadians about Socialism and why they feel having Socialism in Canada makes Canada superior to the USA as an American teaching English in South Korea. I told them the truth. The USA was 12% Black, 13% Latino, 1% Native American Indian or Pacific Islander, 4% Asian and 70% White in the year 2000. Canada was 1% other, 2% Native American, 15% Asian and mostly of Chinese, Korean and Japanese descent at that, and 82% White. It’s much easier to run Socialism under such conditions. I told them to try getting real and more diversity like the USA had and they didn’t. I also told them to try it with the same percentage of Blacks and to a lesser extent Latinos and Native American Indians plus Pacific Islanders the USA had and to try having as low of a percentage of both Whites and Asians especially Chinese, Koreans and Japanese that the USA had. They wouldn’t know what to do and would cry. I told them the USA does the best it can under such circumstances. They accused me of being a racist. I accused them of being delusional. I told them the truth that I don’t hate Blacks, Latinos and Native American Indians and Pacific Islanders, and that I truly love them almost as much as my race, Whites, but I also know they are not Whites nor Asians especially if they are of Chinese, Korean and Japanese descent either genetically or more importantly culturally. Nor could I make them such.
I love other races virtually as much(not quite as much) as my own, but I’m realistic. Most other people of other races and ethnicities don’t nearly love nor respect other races nearly as much as they do their own. Whites are much better in this regard. So am I. I’m telling you the truth. Hate the message, not the messenger. You should also accept the truth and not what ypou emotionally want to be the truth. Don’t be a stupid useless bitch.
Most Canadians would be furious with me unless they were very realistic about the world when I made the comments above and below. It would tend to help if they actually lived in the USA or served in the Canadian military. The Candian military people and its veterans seem to be the best Canadians I’ve ever met on average. It slides downhill from there. I could care less if they liked my comments or not.
Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore have corporatism which to a much lesser degree does what socialism does for Sacandinavians for it’s people. China is trying to do the same. Family life and helping and trusting family and close friends is more prevalent in East Asia too. It’s what we had in the USA for most of the 20th century. They don’t trust nor help strangers as much in East Asia. I think the USA is better than East Asia at least among the Whites and Asians in that regard and was better for people of all races of Americans in the past. All individuals of all races including Whites and Asians are becoming less trustful and helpful of other people whatever their race especially if they are strangers.
Denmark is democracy to the extreme. The idea of equal citizenship moved to it’s logical conclusion.
I thought America was pretty bad in how it handled democracy, but it’s nothing compared to Denmark!
I would never be able to survive in Denmark.
When I was in Finland staying with a girl that I was banging, her roommate overheard me talking to my bank rep. And then to another one. And a few hours later… to another one. She then asked me why I was on the phone with the bank all the time.. I subtly suggested that I worked with more than just 1 bank on my company accounts.
2 days later she had successfully brainfucked my girl in kicking me out for me not allowing them to be ridiculously late.
They are orbitted by beta guys all the time, which I’m sure get lucky with them once in a while… because the girls have nothing different around to bang.
I do, therefore think that Jantes law also strongly applies in Finland. Sweden is a completely different story. Ask a Swede why Finland isn’t great and they will tell you that they have no culture. Ask a Finn why Swedes suck and they will just tell you: Because they’re gay.
One of your main problems are, you “ain’t like us.”
My intel may be dated, by from my experiences in Scandinavia, Danish girls are not particularly withdrawn on reserved. At least not in Copenhagen. But I am of solid Scandinavian stock. Scandinavians in general are, with the possible exception of the Japanese, the most xenophobic people on the planet. It wasn’t exactly as if te Nazis had to work too hard at convincing them all the world’s evils were due to dark haired “others” who, again, “ain’t like us.”
Nowadays, due to pervasively liberal governments, the “kill those different” instinct is subdued; but is replaced with what is a genuine belief in some an even more restrictive formulation of “white man’s burden”, a “Scandinavian man and woman’s burden.” After all, Scandinavians have the “best” welfare system, give the most to the UN and to Palestinian refugees, take care of those in need etc., while people like you are out there trying to scam nice Scandinavian tourists out of cab fares.
Also, the book in which Janteloven was first written down, “A fugitive crosses his tracks” is one great read. Since you’re into reading, get a copy. It really has nothing to do with feminism, but certainly with stifling what you may call alphaish behavior. Which is, honestly, diametrically opposed to feminism. Feminists may well have appropriated the resulting mindset for their own devices, however.
Do you think that in 150 years people will reread “Never Listen To A Woman” or “Naomi Wolf Is A Delusional Old Hag” and muse about how wise and all-seeing Roosh was?
I believe it’s about adjusting your game according to the target audience. Living in Finland I can say Jante’s Law applies more or less – but it has pros and cons.
Few examples: time to time I approach a girl who suggest that I’d buy a drink for her. I’ll reply that “in such equal society, why don’t you buy me a drink”. Local girls regularly buy a drink for me. Locals do – I have (had) many female friends who are from abroad, they expect me to buy and never do it by themselves.
Also you don’t need to be that macho than elsewhere to show your status. While trying to express your alpha status you’d just leave the cowboy hat home (while I have did that few times, however).
Americans are shown as arrogant idiots by many people – mostly those who really do not know any Americans. Therefore I’d suggest to go first “nice guy” approach to give feeling that you do not actually belong that group. Naturally after that cocky & funny approach would work as it works everywhere…
One important thing to understand is that there is no cultural or religious reasons for women not to have one night stand: you are not considered as a slut if you go with a man. Women has right to have fun as men do.
Also there is lot less playing from the women side than in many other countries. As women can support theirselves, they do not need man because of money, so your welfare means less.
Roosh: you gave an example about spanish. For US people it maybe something to speak two languages, but for most scandinaves speak more or less one to three or even more languages addition to their mother languge. English + little spanish is disadvantage here.
Disadvantages are ofcourse that if you have used to “men are men, women are women” culture you will have trouble of understanding that women do not actually do much for you. Don’t expect them to cook for you.
I admit, this time to time goes “men and women are equal, except where women have more priviliges” way. Said that, it’s more understanding the culture and adjusting your game to it.
I don’t personally know about Denmark, but if you visit Finland (Helsinki would be your best choise related to game), get decent drunk and look for bar or disco in downtown where is decently drunk girls. Some, not all, of them thinks foreigners are excotic and atleast you get a good response.
@ Roosh “calm down fox news”
Lay off the negs, chief
Hm, I thought the title was embedded in the link:
Why Not Wear Pajamas All Day?
Teens Perfect the Rumpled Look, But Others See ‘Loungewear’ as Just Plain Sloppy
“Juliana Dokas spends 45 minutes getting ready for school in the morning, straightening her hair, applying mascara and, some days, putting on her pajamas.
Teens are dressing like they just got out of bed. Teen retailers are pushing sweatpants, pajama pants, slipper-like shoes and camisoles, having finally found something to replace the overworked hoodie. Elizabeth Holmes has details on Lunch Break.
The 13-year-old wears a pair of red-plaid flannel pants to Murray Junior High in St. Paul, Minn., along with a rotation of baggy sweatpants and flared yoga pants. She pairs them with a “cami” (camisole tank top), a “hoodie” (hooded sweatshirt) and fuzzy slippers. “It’s both comfortable and cool,” the eighth-grader says of her lounge-around style.”
“She knows that if I fuck her, I’ll get complete control of her life, and Danish girls do not like that. It turns them on, nonetheless.”
That has happened to me a lot, not in Scandinavia. There is such a thing as too much psychological dominance. Can’t help it though.
I wanted to continue from my above post #20 above.
Socialism will lead to people becoming Eloi in their behavior. They will be easy to attack as their immigrants are doing. Scandinavian countries report immigrants especially Muslim ones do most of the raping of ethnic Scandinavian women. This is one reason why Anders Behring Beivik want crazy killing some adults and several dozen teenagers of Norway’s political elite who think Moslem immigration is good. Breivik’s prison is currently getting many love and offers of sex letters from Norweigian teenage females and young women. The prison won’t allegedly let him see them. Socialism will eventually make the people soft and stupid and lazy. It makes their immigrant populations this way rapidly and the ethnic Scandinavians this way more slowly.
As a side note, I had to provide this link. Read the last paragraph. Female Prostitutes following General George Washington’s Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War or American War for Independence(if you are British) 1775-1783 also acted as nurses and chefs for the American soldiers as well as had sex with them for a price. Roosh might say it was a cheaper and better deal the whores provided men back then to what your typical American girlfriend does for American men today. Here’s the link.
Well, there has to be a selection criterion for men in DK, no matter how strong Jante Law is, it cannot fully override human instincts.
My impression from being around Scandinavians is that the woman care more about looks in men than anything else.
The guys in the clubs dress quite well, then everyone get’s drunk and the guys hope that one woman will pick them if the time comes around. Look good, be passive and silent… what used to be the female’s role is now the male’s role.
Danish dude here! Your book has made it to a mention on the libertarian online newspaper 180grader.dk here in Denmark, here is the link: http://www.180grader.dk/Boeger/bardamu-s-bookbag-don-t-bang-denmark-anmeldelse-af-bog-om-danske-kvinder, feel very free to sign up and join the discussion.
Reading this, as a Dane who has travelled extensively, I felt amazed at how an American – a visitor – could so accurately describe exactly why this country sucks! I assure you, everything you mention in your book is spot on. Props to you – you’re obviously very observant. Everything from how god-awful our women dress to the complete lack of femininity to the masculine way they walk.
Living in Denmark if you have any kind of ambition or lust for adventure and life will slowly but surely drain you of your soul.
It’s not actually hard to get laid in Denmark, you just have to lower yourself to being a walking nice guy dildo.
Of course, as you write in your book, you should have checked out Jutland. The girls in the more rural parts of the country are much nicer.
Anyway, thanks for writing this book, it was the last nudge I needed to plan for my escape from this hellhole.
As a half-Norwegian, I’m forced to defend that part of my culture and say that Janteloven is a stable social compromise that has stood the test of time in that part of the world. Since resources were traditionally so scarce, you could’t afford to make enemies by acting superior, or people would refuse to interact with you and you would starve to death – or kill yourself – in the long dark winter. You can still shine, of course, but it has to be extremely subtle.
Frankly, if you grow up with this sort of background, it doesn’t seem so strange or problematic compared to the alternatives. You just roll with it. I’d say the real problem here is the loss of gender roles, which I have seen leaving both men and women uninspired and disappointed. Compared to the US, however, you don’t see the same creeping female supremacy, since Janteloven holds that somewhat in check.
For an outsider, Roosh gives a pretty fair and accurate cultural commentary. As for Danes, the rest of Scandinavia stereotypes them as smug, sloppy drunks.
Did anyone else start out initially assuming this article was was going to be about Roosh describing a woman of gargantuan dimensions that plagued him an entire night in a Denmark bar?
= Lemme see: globetrotting US PUA fails to adapt his game to foreign mores and comes up with a book full of rationalizations to cover up his massive calibration fail.
German dude has a point: what if another PUA guide does succesfully describe a game method for Denmark and alike?
[Roosh: You'll find out next week why this is irrelevant.]
“While I approve of the benefits the government gives to all its citizens, Jante Law is something I can’t live with. ”
Women have to live with it, because they get more out of government than what they put in. Poor women, can’t even be hypocrites without some irritating man spoiling their fun.
The findings sound similar to US.
“While I approve of the benefits the government gives to all its citizens…¨
Nothing is given. The government takes (read: steals) from the productive citizenry through taxes and redistributes what it has taken.
Accepting money from the government in the form a state subsidy is being complicit in theft from citizens who are economically productive.
Wow, this Jante Law is pretty crazy, goes straight against the American individualism and meritocracy that is considered the cornerstone of prosperity out here. Sounds quite similar to the communist ideology that failed so miserably in the former Eastern block. However, it’s quite remarkable that Scandinavian countries are actually quite prosperous, as one of the above comments said it’s prob due to somewhat homogeneous Scandi population with traditionally strong work ethic. Wonder how it will play out with all the immigration pouring into these countries…
Are there some safeguards to prevent the obvious free rider problem? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_rider_problem)
Jante law would seem to seriously stifle innovation, however, there were many great technological advances from Scandinavian countries, how come?
This post sounds about right. I had (and still have) problems adapting the U.S.-centric Game concepts into Finnish culture, which is not too far removed from what Denmark seems like in Roosh’s writing. In a nutshell, social circles rule and it’s easy to come across as the wrong kind of asshole. The girls tend to live the generic non-introspective SWPL lifestyle like a fish in water and often aren’t good flirts, so the seduction dance isn’t easy to get going.
However, you can do successful dominance displays, you just have to be a bit more subtle about it. Finndistan (http://finndistan.blogspot.com/) offers a German-Turkish immigrant’s perspective on the Helsinki dating scene. He has some instructive stories to share and as a bonus, seems to appreciate our ‘xenophobia’.
Mediocrity may be comfortable, up to the day that tragedy knocks at the door and people start to wonder: “but why did nobody say anything, if everybody could see that this was going to happen?”
Simple: nobody said anything because the others did not say anything either.
So in order to prevent things from growing any worse, maybe this is the right moment to write the anti-Law of Jante:
“You are worth far more than you think. Your work and presence on this Earth are important, even though you may not think so. Of course, thinking in this way, you might have many problems because you are breaking the Law of Jante – but don’t feel intimidated by them, go on living without fear and in the end you will win.”
by Paolo Coelho
So what your saying is that with ALL these social rules designed to cockblock, yet, you still got the occasional lay anyway?
Come on Roosh, those are Nazi granddaughters! Fuk DENMARK….
p.s. (they really are descendants of Nazi’s)
I’d like to see Roosh come out with a Bang Toronto guidebook.
As much as I loved Roosh’s book, his relative praise of the Danish welfare state I disagree with.
Maybe it is great for lower Betas and Omegas who simply have no chance anyway. But for Betas who are trying to make themselves Alphas, it is a very difficult place to be.
First, you are dealing with the most spoiled women on earth, even worse than girls from Toronto. Second, the state strips you of all the resources necessary to become Alpha, particularly the ability to provide convenient privacy and 24-hour mobility. Housing costs a fortune in Denmark, especially when you pay an effective tax rate of 60%+, and you can forget about a car. If you are stuck in Bronshoj or Koge or the suburbs of Odense, you are in for a very rough time.
The way Denmark treats aspiring Alphas: It’s like taking a bunch of out of shape American programmer nerds and expecting them to just start playing in the NFL, while prohibiting them from practicing, taking away their pads and equipment, and not even letting them play Madden to get familiar with the game. Then you make them play the New England Patriots. You might be one of the lucky ones who make it. But you probably won’t.
America is not a country, Roosh ^^,
Interesting analysis, and I believe mostly on the spot.
well, i live in finland and this jante law thing is pretty deep-seated and strict even though Finland is not part of Scandinavian countries but Nordic countries including Iceland. Finns always try hard how to imitate their neighbours way of life and mostly Sweden. but Finland’s Jante law is not that knotty if you are foreigner and you dont even need a game and all that thing. being a godamm foriegner would suffice, and guarantee you to get laid a tons of blonde finns gals who dont give a rat’s arse about anybody. cause 90% of finns men are shy-tamed fawns whom look down while talking to you. they were incredibly castrated by feminist women. i recall one night i was with this babe’s house and her big bro was in the living room playing some video game while i was banging and defiling his little sister in the sauna. and when i mentioned to her how awkward the situation is, cause her bro can hear the mighty moan of his lil sister she said ” i have a rights and do as i please and he has no rights whatsoever to interfere my live and just for the record, i really think he’s enjoying it, cause he’s a virgin.” how sane person whith morals say something like that? after that night i bailed the hell outta of her zone. so banging in finland is not that bad for foriegners but it ain’t hard to tell speaking of xenophobia 60% of the society are xenophobic. 30% are racist mainly men who believe that foriegners are taking their girls away from them only 10% are quite decent people. and if racism was crime half of the country would be behind the bars. but after all i’m enjoying living in finland and i’d suggested to this hairy-jesus-looking guy (Roosh) to visit here. and he will definitely is going to fuck a women of undiniable brilliance whom open their legs way too easy. good luck mate.:DD
Excellent article. It’s always great to hear the opinion of somebody who has formed an educated opinion based on thinking for themselves + experience.
It reminds me of the excellent film 7 years in Tibet, in which Brad Pitt faces the exact same mentality.
Please note: Pitt is childed for bragging. But the woman herself brags just a few minutes before.
#32 Bjorn is 100% correct.
It is the weather and resources conditions which alter the Nordic psyche. Over the millenia they had to adapt. The are no machos in Scandi nations simply due to zero sunlight = very little testosterone production.
See any stats regarding population growth in the world. All countries in the North are losing people. That includes Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania even Poland. And that includes all the *immigration* from hot countries, which is esp. visible in Norway.
These countries are very materialistic, have little arts or culture. Name famous musicians born North… well except ABBA ;-)
Roosh rants about winter. hell yeah from Oct to March the nature is DEAD in N.Europe. Sometimes you have like 86 days out of 90 with no square inch of blue sky, fully covered by clouds.
Guess how it influences the human soul….
Well, you drink excess vodka, eat nothing but carbs and animal flesh, your pineal gland gets calcified and your dick is SAD. All you see on the streets is girls faces, not particulary happy coz its damn COLD.
Brazil, Colombia, Cuba, Spain, etc. are way more HOT in terms of girls, sex, nightlife, daylife, parties, music and just everyday existance.
From my Denmark time I conclude that none of those girls ever saw you as an alfa. Your self assessment probably was correct and they saw you as just another stupid american and you didnt succeed in reversing this
And after the media attention you got, I think the optimal move is to return there… more free press for your books and certainly groupies
I hate Denmark so much. I already knew it was a welfare hell hole but now I know why. The people are plain shit. I feel deeply disgusted at the idea of Jante law.
@Rastaman: RE-music: there is one great exception, and that is metal music, Northerners have great metal music, probably the best in the world.
@re Rasta again. Hungary is in no sense a part of some “North”, unless you consider the entire Europe as “North”. The people there are hot and energical, the music is very lively etc. They have been under influence of Balkanic nations and Turks.
This piece of music is quite representative of Hungarian folk, even if it is an artificial composition inspired by it. How can you call it “Nordic”?
Danish guy here.
You should try an post a lay report on a danish pick up forum – No responses. Even if you succeed in picking up woman, you wont get any acknowledgement.
You can brag all you want, but you wont inspire anyone. Sad.
I’m still trying to figure out danish girls. I have banged 20, and that is quite a lot for 18 year old danish girl.
But, i haven’t figured the social rules out yet. Girls in Italy seem to respond far better than here in denmark.
Any advice on how to pick up women in Denmark if you’re stuck here?
How about school and college grades? Are all students given equal grades as per Jante law?
Scandinavian countries are awesome. The men are hot, polite and treat you like a normal human being. The egalitarian spirit ensures that everyone is at least middle class, there is no looking down on each other like in more competitive societies. Women are treated the way they should be treated. I’m moving to Scandinavia soon. The only problem is immigration from non-European countries, but we’ll deal with that soon with the help of Fremskritspartiet and Mr Jimmie Åkesson (Sverige Demokraterna).
[...] and game blogger Roosh both recently mentioned a cultural condition in Scandinavian countries called the Jante Law, a [...]
Yeah of course, hungary is much more south.
just wrote about it as an example of country with negative pop. growth. which is also in Europe.
Metal music, well, if you call it “music” ;-)
@8 Same shit in Holland, 10 Dutch guy
Roosh’s description of Denmark Jante Law is probably true for Sweden, Netherland, Germany, Austria, Belgium and Norway as well. Pretty well-worded. Standing out like a peacock or behaving some cocky a-hole is just not done in this place of the world, especially for foreigners. As they say: “behaving like one’s self is crazy enough”.
OTOH, as a clubber of many years, I’ve witnessed plenty of players and sluts in the Netherlands. Game works here too, although it isn’t that popular. The Mystery/Strauss night game with negs, peacocking et al is probably ‘too much’, but day game might work wonderfully. Or some other game plan.
It also depends where you go out. I agree that The Hague/Rotterdam region is pretty lame, as most of the people there are only ever busy working (dead souls), but Amsterdam, Maastricht, Utrecht and Groningen have a good vibe about them. Lots of students, lots of fun. All year round.
Denmark’s Aarhus campus is pretty cool, a friend of mine lived there for two years and he often dated women. There’s a huge club scene down there, I can’t believe the youngsters only go there to drink and dance, they must want some action?!
Roosh, the most beautiful girls I’ve ever seen came from a region around a town called Vasteras, Sweden and I’ve travelled Europe intensively. Even at some fastfood chain restaurant I saw hot young women, working there. If you plan on going to Sweden, please check my suspiscion.
PS Just finished ‘day bang’. Good stuff.
Denmark sounds a great place where you can be a total asshole and insult everybody to the extremes, knowing that whatever you do will be seen as an insult.
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Interesting, this article says Rick Santorum can’t become president because Pittsburgh has a “leveling” credo similar to Jante’s Law…
@björn – “Since resources were traditionally so scarce, you could’t afford to make enemies by acting superior, or people would refuse to interact with you and you would starve to death – or kill yourself – in the long dark winter.”
björn has got it pretty right — jante law is connected to the sorts of altruistic behaviors you find amongst the danes and other scandis and probably other germanics. but this “germanic” altruism is all wrapped up with other innate traits that they have, like strong social collectivist attitudes and a liking for Ordnung.
these are innate traits that have been selected for in our northern european friends — probably some of them during the neolithic, but likely lots of them during the medieval period.
Speaking of testosterone production and manliness: Have you ever seen a World’s Strongest Man competition? A lot of those guys come from northern countries like Iceland, Norway, Estonia, and Lithuania. Go to this year’s competition website. Anyone from the countries you mentioned? Nope.
I’m not going to even take the time to respond to the rest of that idiocy you posted
This is BS. Denmark is a walk in the park compared to Toronto. If you want a real challenge, you gotta come out and bang Toronto, that is, if you got the balls. Of course, you won’t have any balls left once these old broads are finished with you.
News flash: it’s not “racist” for Danes or anybody else to dislike foreigner to come into their country for the sole purpose of defiling its welfare system/women. I love it how a good chunk of the folks who comment here consider a perfectly rational dislike of parasitic foreigners to be somehow morally reprehensible or even criminal. Perhaps you want the Scandinavians to push their sisters and daughters into your arms so you can fuk ‘em, and also give you half their paycheck so you can afford the hotel room in which to do so. Idiots.
True, worlds strongest men come from North.
However testosterone and physical strength do not come 100% together. While test. hormone helps building muscles, these can be build even with low amount of it, if you train hard enough. HGH plays a role here.
Different genetics also have impact.
How about Mixed Martial Arts? The same, majority of champions are white. Opposite in boxing. Hmmm…. ever wonder why?
Roosh keep up the good work!
you are a true pioneer of the international lifestyle!
I’m half Danish. What makes me mad is that my Danish “sisters” use the welfare state to have children they cannot afford from irresponsible fathers (regardless of national origin) and then making me pay the cost of raising them against my will while they do bullshit public sector jobs that nobody needs while having the nerve to say that their behavior is just and right.
You’re not the first to mention this, but everytime someone starts looking into stuff like that (f.e. Danish/Swedish/random blond guys being weak/soft/feminized/low-T/whatever), the haters always end up looking like tools.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m no Nordo-fetishist, Scandinavian life seems boring and would be too risk averse for my taste, but the people there are well-behaved, smart, orderly and responsible. Admirable. There’s no HDI chart that didn’t feature these countries somewhere near the top of the list.
The fact that the girls down there don’t behave like sluts, despite rampant feminism enabling them to do so, is actually a good thing. Go Denmark.
One thing about Scandinavian women though – they will pay for their own drinks, dinners, rents, etc. Many Russian and some E.European women will expect you to do that. Most Scandi women I know are living together with beta guys, not “thugs”. That is not considered good style there. Or they are just single (Stockholm is the ultimate singles city with something like 40% single households). Women do have jobs in the private sector, such as finance (I think the head of SEB is female), business. The Danish Prime minister is a good looking female. Yea, there are many chicks in NGOs and public sector, but so are guys. The upper level govt jobs are mostly occupied by males. I’ve known several Scandi guys in their late 20s, early 30s who were on welfare or in school for 10 years (all paid for by the state).
And, yes, Northern men are very strong – yes, World’s strongest men – Latvian, Finnish, Polish. But we also have lots of good basketball players and skaters, hockey players (strong, fast and agile). There are different types. They are all wonderful. We also have slender artist types or the kinds your grandmother would love. Swedish boys really take care of their appearance, that’s why Finnish and some Latvian boys call them ‘faggy’. They are very easy on the eye, though. Looks are more important here than your paycheck. American boys are a bit huskier and dress sporty. They are much more “chivalrous” than European boys.
fuck Roosh. Your writing just gets better and better my man. I have followed you for years, and I love the direct honesty of your writing. I am so sick of people who bask in the glory of mediocrity that is pains me. Some people are so fucking PC and trapped in a cultural identity that they can not detach themselves to see the humor in things or objectively criticize their own country. I have found with my writing a mix bag. Where some people just get it, and others get so culturally offended that they cant read between the lines and understand satire, or that not everything should be taken so literally. I am traveling in Mexico now, and sometimes in Latin America people just dont get that you are not criticizing them or their country, but the idea/concept. I will be buying do not bang iceland. Cause I appreciate the hate and honesty as much as the love. Truth and honest observance is better than playing to the crowd. Thanks for insight.
Also, last night was trying to get up on this Swedish hot little bunnie in my hostel and she was accusing me of being ‘cocky’, but I had not really done much….(I can be way more of cocky arrogant fuck when I want to be). But it goes inline with what you mention perfectly, that any type of bold statements of knowledge triggers this bullshit attitude of defensiveness. meh.
ahh… the “America is not a Country Troll” a first cousin to the “Spelling Mistake Troll”. How I long to be so simple minded that I could dismiss people so readily.
You guys know all about trolls in Scandanavia, yes? You might know them by their more common name “Danish Women”.
interesting read. been to copenhagen about 4 times. there are things i like and dislike. clean city, good system for the bikes, can get good organic healthy food (although expensive)…i would not go to this city for the women. very average in my opinion and not so skinny. i think many guys tend to glorify the “blond girl”, so they automatically think these girls are hot in some way. you can see many more hot blond girls in just about any city in southern cali or florida (with much better bodies). plus their personalities are pretty boring in copenhagen. the nightclub scene was just downright boring and lame! so dont waste your money if that is your goal, because you will spend a lot for pretty little value…just my opinion.
Seeing as the consensus among the commenters seems to be that Jante law is in effect in Finland too, I’m surprised to see how many people seem to be doing ok here, regardless.. I’d never heard of Jante law before and don’t think the Finnish social atmosphere can really be boiled down to exactly that. I think the Finns appreciate individualism to a greater degree than most Northern European countries, as long as that individualism is delivered in a palatable form, so to say.
In my experience, the main thing you need in Finland to be socially successful is a touch of self-irony. You can talk about your achievements and experiences in faraway lands and even gain rapport that way *as long as* you do NOT come across as arrogant. Color your stories with a bit of humorous self-deprecation, Finns love that. You don’t have to account your successes to sheer luck (like in Jante law), just make sure it doesn’t seem as if you take yourself too seriously. Of course the difficult part is pulling that off with apparent sincerity. Being fake is as big a faux pas in Finland as being arrogant.
Oh, and compliment the country. The Finns might dismiss your praise out of hand but it will warm their heart nonetheless.
(Disclaimer: This is general advice for successfully navigating social situations and attempting to disarm the wariness many Finns naturally have for strangers, especially foreigners -not really PUA oriented. Although as many have pointed out, a wide social circle generally helps in getting laid in Northern Europe.)
[Roosh: From what I hear, Finnish are far heavier drinkers than Danish, meaning it will feel more like Iceland with the last call hookups.]
I thank KK #39 for mentioning me; having a native reader is always a pleasure.
In Finland the Jante’s law used to be in full effect, though in the time I have been here, it has also changed. Nowadays, basically due to cultural enrichers (which is not the academic type) do nothing but flaunt whatever characteristic they have, and the place is rife with young kids driving brand new luxury cars, or vibrant youth walking with the newest shiniest clothing and a hundred euro hair cut and beard design. So, the natives need to adapt, if they hope to get a second glance.
There are stories of the neighbor calling the tax office when he thinks the new mercedes next door is a tad too much; and I have hear people make snark remarks about someone’s car, or even clothing, or the pool in the house, maybe a bar in the house, maybe a too big sauna, etc.
some comments I got fitting this law:
When a girl does not get my interest, she starts slapping me, but the choice of words is important : Fake, you are fake. (this after sleeping with a hotter friend of hers, and rejecting the date attempts of an even hotter one)
Standing in the bar with the feet apart, leaning on a railing, a guy comes up totally furious, “you are the man ha.. are you? Are you?”
Walking in the street, get stopped by a couple who complains me walking too tall.
Summertime, blazer on me, gin in a plastic cup, talking to my brother on the phone, just hanging around in a parking lot, man comes up “what game are you playing ha? you think you are so -did not catch the word-”…
One has to keep in mind, finns possibly would be the least talkative bunch I have ever encountered.
there are so many others, but all follow a similar script.
But even with the Jante’s law, the only rule that has worked for me is to have amused arrogance.
Best way to screw the Jante’s law is to show you are not affected by it. (in the sexual context. I would not challenge the jante’s law in the case where tax officials are involved)
[...] roosh has got a post up about jante law — i guess it was impeding his game in denmark (oh noes!). jante law is a scandinavian phenomenon that sounds like tall poppy syndrome on steriods: [...]
That is just about the dumbest and least informed piece of nonsense I have ever read. To claim that you understand Denmark based on the fact that girls – or anybody else – don’t fall for a loudmouth from Amerika and cook up some nonsense about the Jante Rule. Oh yes, I guess it doesn’t matter that Janteloven was defined by a Danish/Norweigan novelist in a book from 1933 describing life in a small town…
Learning how the men and women do the mating dance as well as trying to adapt to the dance yourself is one of the best ways to know how a culture functions overall.
“To claim that you understand Denmark based on the fact that girls – or anybody else – don’t fall for a loudmouth from Amerika and cook up some nonsense about the Jante Rule.”
It doesn’t seem like you are disputing the behavior he saw or the reasons behind so it appears there is no misunderstanding.
damn roosh is becoming a *really* good writer.
and his social commentary is fucking world class.
this is the kind of shit that i could never read in the nytimes, new yorker, newsweek, time, wsj, blah blah blah
On another thought, I would not mind “everyone is equal” societies and feminism of that fashion if that would actually make me, a nice guy, get laid. But as you said, hypocrisy rules even there, and thus game remains the only counterattack available…
Sounds like a classic case of moral relativism.
They must have read Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut and thought it sounded like a great idea.
I like how not a SINGLE person who is lauding this book or these articles has themselves been to or lived in Denmark recently.
I want someone who ACTUALLY knows Denmark to give their honest opinion. Most of these commenters are just tools and posers.
#85 anon, meet #31
“They have some immigration policies that are very close to Hitler’s germany.”
This made me laugh. I think you’re too retarded to understand how smart liberals use the guilt by association trick. (Not that I approve of it.)
#80 and #85:
I am Danish and a man and have likely been with more ladies than most, which is why I don’t have to write how-to books to get off. You know the old saying about those, that can, do, and those, that cant, (try to) teach?
I lived in Denamark from birth till 30 and have lived all over the globe since. I go home for a few weeks 2 or 3 times a year, and getting laid is as easy as it always was. One simply has to remember the following basic rules: It takes two to boogie and both boys and girls may make a move and both may accept or decline. It is a mutually enjoyable experinece based on equal rights and equal access to the fun… The standard Frat-boy approach will not get far in Denmark, and for sumbass frat-boys that is obviously a bad thing. However, once they learn to understand that sex a grown-up activity amongst mature equals, they will do much better. – A first step would be to stop taking advice from blogs written by a nobody :-)
good post above
i have no doubt roosh is fairly accurate in his observations about danish society, but nonetheless his whiny tone is nothing more than raging butthurt at not getting his dick wet. it’s been said in the comments here a few times already – it’s not hard to get laid in denmark. i guess being short, skinny and facially unremarkable will always limit you in some contexts.
Lmao funny stuff there.I find that alot too in my country(island),so Jante’s law is actually wide spread.
Lot of butthurt Danes in here. Shove it, eurofags. You’re not having enough babies, you’re being bred into extinction, and the Somalian immigrants are driving your rape rates through the roof, all because of your neurotic liberalism. Face the truth and cry bitter tears.
Poor guy. Let me tell you why your “I travelled in Comlumbia”-line didn’t work: in Denmark, freaking EVERYONE has travelled for six months in South America or South East Asia or India and Nepal. It’s almost a rite of passage. Therefore, any story you can tell from such travels is cliché. The mere mention of your travelling in Columbia can be a turn-off – getting laid on your travel stories is soooo 90′es.
In conclusion: its not that she’s afraid of being inferior to you – it’s just that she was probably bored.
Different country – different ‘game’.
I have to agree with 93 here. Of course danish women are not impressed by some american moron, who tries to come off as a wordly man by “6 months in Colombia”. Not because we’re not interested in hearing your stories, but because you assume that the girl of course have nowhere near the same great experience of the world as yourself, when she probably has travelled for a long time and speaks 3 languages or more…
If you could talk about your travels without assuming that she would drop off her chair, being so impressed by you, you would geet much, much further. A man trying deperately to impress usually have the opposite effect.
Or maybe, the girls just find you just as ugly as you find them, in which case it is not surprising that you don’t get any pussy.
What you consider “alpha”, we consider “Self-absorbed whiner who is probably trying to compensate for his small cock by bragging”. Real men don’t need to brag, they can let the woman know about their success without sounding like desperate high-school boys.
“Danish women has such a hardcore feeling of loyalty towards each other that they’re reluctant to ditch their girlfriends for a chance to get laid….Even Danish guys had this group cohesion. sacrificing their own dick for the sake of being “good friends”. Morons.”
I just quoted a sample page of your book – and it really made me think if what you really need is old fashioned love, commitment and loyalty – as in friendships and good love affairs?
Not that I feel inclined to defend the entire female population of a country – just that these words really tells something about being excluded in general. Maybe if all you look for is sexual encounters you’ll only have some sort of feeling empty and bitter from that experience?
Well – I can only hope you are not an educated journalist :-) Didn’t spend much time on researching I guess. The Jante Law is defined by a Norwegian guy and looking at the historical differencies he is not disposed to write anything positive. From a cultural point of view the behaviour supported by it is more similar to the Chinese – hammer down the nail that sticks out. I leave in Denmark – I don’t see that happening. And in general the observations you made on women..tsk tsk – If you are as you describe yourself there might be a reason why the hot women don’t come near you.
Prejudice towards Americans – just a few quotes – taken from the same box as where Roosh found his story – “My child gets vegetables every day – I feed them Fries at least 2 times daily”. “damn those Mexicans – they take all our jobs – woman go bring my white robe and I’ll go find the rope”, “I don’t understand why people die of starvation in Africa – why can’t they just go to McDonalds”(There is a historical equivalent to that from France).”I got burned by my coffee – I sue them because it was hot”, “let’s try drying the cat in the microwave”.
Other than that Americans are great – they have given the rest of the world a lot of funny stories to laugh about
I am a Danish Alpha guy and I am sick and tired of the ongoing feminization in my country which has gone too its extreme now. I am waiting for a cultural revolution of mankind. We have to stand up for ourselves. We have to demand to have the right to smell just a little bit of sweat, booze and/or urine and we should be proud of it. And we have to demand our right to step out of the kitchen where we have been hanging around as householders for too long. It is time for the women to know and realize why there is a difference between man and woman.
I’m glad you don’t like us because then you won’t come back.
don’t bang Roosh V !
The whole “demonstrating higher value” by telling exciting stories about your exciting “high value” life is bullshit anyway. It only works on moronic women who HAVE no life and need to envy a guy whom they perceive as higher status.
How COULD it possibly work in a society where everyone is assumed to have and taught that they DO have equal value?
I had a Danish girlfriend for a year. Smoking hot, super-brilliant, best sex of my life. It didn’t work for other reasons, but I never minded her having her own opinions. Why should a smart guy want a boring idiot who just nods her head in agreement?
Scandinavia has been VERY good to me, sexually. I like that Scandinavians are up front about sex, don’t expect me to pay their way, are usually smart, educated, and speak 3 languages.
If you are threatened by that or have a problem appealing to it, maybe it’s time to dump the pseudo-mystery method crap.
Danish are one pure xenophobics.
Only Danish is good enough.
Other nations are stupid, dirty and lazy.
Talking ugly about others make Danish feel strong.
Sorry mate that your charm didn’t work for you here in Denmark. Have you ever thought, that it might be YOU that have a problem. I have travelled the world through my job, and do you know what…never had a problem with women anywhere – mate, its all about personality , something you defiantly do not have apparently
So…DUDE….chill out, if you get the girl drunk enough in your case – you might just be lucky…..
Happy hunting where ever you are…..
I don’t really think it has much to do with Jante Law that a woman didn’t want to hear you shit talk her own country/women of her own country, but was perfectly happy to shit talk women from another country. That’s just the fact that most people will insult others but don’t like to be insulted. I wonder if the women would have similarly punished you by withdrawing from conversation if you had insulted the Polish. Somehow I suspect they would have been more willing to make an exception to Jante Law if the Polish, and not their own people, were the butt of your insults.
Roosh Argumentation : “The situation is like X because of Y*Z^2 divided by (A*B). Which explains why Z|2 = Y.”.
Danish Girl argumentation : “Lol Roosh u dumb u hairy u u just bitter cuz u didnt get laid.”
[...] and pretentious or some shit. She had always hated confident dudes, maybe something to do with Jante Law. What followed next was us exchanging insults, her calling me a dickhead, me calling her a hipster, [...]
These guys can get laid in denmark : http://www.pickupforum.dk
maybe you should ask them for advice.
Here you just have to be nice to girls to get laid.
Denmarks healthcare ranks below 34 other countries.
The danish government feeds danish children with anti depressive drugs.
The danish are all on anti depressant drugs.
Danish people are unhappy and feels down.
Danish girls are ugly and looks like pig farmers.
I agree with Danish man / Dansk mand
The Jante Law has nothing what so ever to do with now-a-days living in Denmark and especially nothing to do with feminism or interaction between the sexes in Denmark. To give an example, Roosh quote:
“For example, let’s take a look at this statement: “When I was in Colombia for six months, I studied Spanish. I got good at it, but now I suck again.” A pretty innocent way to show value to a girl, right? Not in Denmark. I’m implying that I’m more well-traveled than her and also more knowledgeable in the realm of language. I’m breaking Jante Law. The girl will punish me by withdrawing from the conversation.”
This argumentation about Jante Law is absurd and wrong as it could ever be. It has nothing what so ever to do with Jante Law. Roosh claims to be implying that he’s more well-traveled than her – NO NO NO! WRONG conclusion – the conclusion is: “I want to talk and tell about me/myself/I me Roosh because I’m needy and I wan’t someone to take interest in me, myself I”.
AND most of all, NO – it does not show any value to the girl what so ever – not even close to. And this lack of interest in the girl and value to the girl has nothing to do with the old timer Jante Law, which is by the way totally out-dated in Denmark and not really relevant in any part of our society any longer at all just for the record. The thing is, it does not turn anybody on to be only all ears, this is very basic human nature men/women, it’s not about anything else than that.
If you want to get to know somebody, a woman, a foreign culture, start asking questions, start being open, open your own mind, ears and listen. If you meet other people – men or women – with the attitude, that you yourself is the whole center of the world. NO NO NO… NO GO! Ask questions and listen instead, show interested in them and their life and they will open.
And by the way, most Danes are so over-traveled themselves and all over the world, so saying to a Danish girl, I’ve been in Columbia and I’ve studied spanish is like saying, I bought an icecream yesterday – yearhh right – very, very, very impressive!
When you turn 50, you are probably going to regret that you have based much of your persona on being shocking and rude. Getting attention and making money isn’t hard – doing it in a moral and ethical way is.
you know what? maybe if you didn’t look like a creepy old pedophile, you would be able to get a danish girl into bed. Man i feel sorry for the poor girls who were approached by you!
you have got the wrong impression of Denmark. The Jante Law is completly irrelevant nowadays and if you ask all girls under the age of 30 90% wouldn’t even know what you were talking about
I’m an American woman married to a Dane. I consider myself a lefty and a feminist, BUT THIS MAN SPEAKS THE TRUTH!!!!
And it’s not just in Denmark – It’s all over Scandinavia. It’s enforced with varying degrees of aggravation depending on where you are, and Jutland seems to be the worst of it. But I also saw this in Norway, when I lived in Drammen.
No person in the Anglo-speaking world would really understand this until they’ve been here. While collectivism works when it comes to issues like health care and a social safety net, I have seen instances in other contexts where the mores have really failed.
I think this attitude sets feminism back like 30 years. I would hate to say this, but even that Norwegian killer Anders Breivik may have been on to something in his critiques about feminism. (BUT THIS IS NOT EXCUSING WHAT HE DID – KILLING TEENS BEFORE THEY EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO LIVE THEIR LIVES IS STILL A HORRIBLE THING TO DO, AND HE WAS NOT THE ONE TO MAKE THAT JUDGMENT CALL.)
I must agree Holland is the same.Women are very hypocrite and have double standards.
Since scandinavian men have their balls cut off long time ago they never speak out.Women,on the contrary,do allow themselves to say things like in your example about Poland or other stuff.Because nobody calls them on bullshit.
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I always find it interesting to read and try to understand other people’s opinions – especially about my country and the people who live here. But I sort of get the feeling that you’ve completely misunderstood Denmark – and I must say that to me this sounds a bit like one very long insult. I’m not offended – but a bit surprised, since I’ve never heard people speak like that about Denmark or Danish people before. I guess that some people had to have such an opinion, but it still took me by surprise. I understand that you have to sell books – and in order to do that it’s necessary to write something that might be a little “different”. It seems like you only tried to get laid in Denmark – which I guess is because of your book? And fair enough but to get laid in Denmark, you have to understand the Danes. We’re not that difficult. We’re pretty liberate – one of the first countries in the world to legalize porn, gay marriages and so on. In Denmark almost every person is very independent – normally highly educated, has travelled the world, speaks several languages and can provide for themselves. I think you have to respect that and understand this type of life in order to really get to know a Dane. Danish women and Danish men are in pretty similar situations in terms of education and jobs – we don’t have the classic gender roles. Danes might seem a little reserved – but when you get to know them, you have a friend for life! I have friends all over the world (also Americans), and it’s never been difficult for me to talk to them about anything – not even politics.
And I am a 23-year old girl – apparently the very worst kind :)
Jante Law works well for the Swedish state. As politicians continually ration healthcare and torture and kill people, hardly anyone says anything or protests because good little automotons do not complain or question authority. Don’t expect anyone to take personal responsibility for anything. Jante Law means that any individual human life is worthless. Be prepared to die when the state tells you to die. Very sick, inhumane society continually celebrated by the state media.
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I am glad you didn’t succeed in Denmark. It means the women have class. While in Denmark, I found the women so nice and they even approached me. They loved me. But I am a naturally confident guy and people warm to me in general. If you are a good person, women in Denmark will like you. Perhaps they picked up on the fact you had no value on them only as a goal to have sex with.
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But Roosh, doesn’t this mean that the people who have good social skills and thus a large social are in fact above others, not equals? That Jante Law is basically a way for those people who are good at socialization and networking and being popular to get to top?
I am a Hungarian currently living in Austria, so I have my fair share of experience with cultures with egalitarian facets and my impression always was that they make the smooth, popular socialite the king. In fact it was a generally accepted truism throughout my coming of age that the guy who has a lot of friends has also success with girls. The idea of an aloof, alpha unpopular with men but getting girls was very new to me, only recently discovered.
Same thing in economics. Those people had it best here who have a million business contacts and could arbitrage, not the ones who were good at making stuff.