The Boner Test

This is a guest post by Samseau.

Years ago my brother ran away from home to live in Missouri with a girl he fell in love with over the internet. It was supposedly true romance, but I couldn’t understand his choice because of how ugly she was. I’m talking every branch on the ugly tree ugly. There’s no way I would be able to get it up for her.

Then one day it struck me: maybe I should envy my brother. If he could get it up for her, maybe he’s the lucky one. Here I am, stuck dealing with the “pretty girls”—and the major attitude problems and psychological issues that come along with them—wondering if I’m doomed in my search to find a decent girl to share an orgasm with.

I once had a lady friend who would write my school papers, sew my torn jeans, cut my hair, cook me dinners at her house, teach me to drive manual transmission, and ask to spend the bulk of her free time to be with me. She easily had the best personality I’ve ever encountered on a girl, and yet, I never made a move on her. It didn’t matter how great she was, but she didn’t pass the boner test.

The strength of my boner completely determines both my desire and ability to have sex. If I saw a man making out with a crossed-eye unattractive girl, I used to have the same reaction as everyone else: “disgusting.” Now I think, “She’s gross, but at least she can pass some man’s boner test.” That is what counts because all boners are equal in the eyes of god.

I used to spend most of my time chasing girls simply because they were pretty, but I’m no longer fooled. It isn’t the chick that counts, her looks, or even her personality, but the boner she gives me. It’s all about the boner. It took me a while to disconnect a woman’s beauty with my attraction for her, an evolutionary accident that has deprived me of more sexual pleasure than I care to remember.

If an unattractive cross-eyed girl could give me a pulsating hard-on, would I deny myself that satisfaction because other men might think less of me for doing her? How much should I care about everyone else’s opinions of me?

Suppose you find yourself talking to a perfectly normal girl. She’s funny, smart, and has been incredibly pleasant to you. She even bought you a gin and tonic. And then you feel it: movement in your pants that definitely wasn’t from the wind. Something, though, is holding you back: your old college friends who tagged along with you. They all have their girlfriends with them, each with a respectable rating of 7. Your girl is just a 5, if that. By making a move, your boys will think you’ve sacrificed your standards. You can already imagine their criticisms: “She’s too old for you,” “What a sloppy slut,” or “Dude, what’s wrong with her face?!” You pull back, skipping out on a guaranteed lay.

These days I think, “If she can make the little guy happy, why should I care what the big guy thinks?” No one else cares about my boner. My boys aren’t going to jerk me off after I pass on the easy lay, and my dick definitely isn’t going to jerk itself when I walk into my bedroom alone later that night. Please don’t confuse me for a chubby chaser: I estimate that 80% of my pickups are directed at beautiful girls, who are usually dehumanized whores that happen to have hot bodies which give good boners, but if I can enjoy a girl most other guys would not, am I not the luckiest man in the bar?

Do you see that girl over there who’s so disgusting that other men can’t even look at her? Well as luck would have it, she knows how to give me a boner. Not only am I going to fuck the hell out of her, but I’m going to enjoy the look of satisfaction on her face that says, “Thank you so much!” It makes me feel like a good Samaritan.

There’s only one test that matters: the boner test. Everything else is ego.

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  • outlaw josey wales

    Well said. That’s why the endless discussions of who’s a 10, a 5, etc. are pointless.

  • http://www.theunambitiousmale.com/ Workshy Joe

    This is deep.

    Alot of allegedly “beautiful” women (in the eyes of other men) don’t do a thing for me.

    Likewise, there are some women I find attractive who wouldn’t get a second glance from alot of guys.

    I am lucky in that respect.

  • Greg

    Good point, but it’s almost impossible to disconnect ego from chasing girls, to the point where I would say more than half of most mens motivation in chasing a particular girl is about ego rather than pleasure or sex.

    See how many times PUA’s, not to mention most average men, mock and despise men who pay for sex with beautiful women – clearly, to these men, the most important element with regard to girls is ego, not pleasure, not even sex. If they can “get” a beautiful girl, this validates their ego, and THIS is what is felt to be most important about chasing girls, not the pleasure of sex.

    If men truly cared only about the pleasure of sex more than about validating their ego through women’s reactions to them, male sexual behavior would be revolutionized, and entire swaths of PUA mentality would wither away.

    Look at our esteemed Roosh for example and his post about flag chasing – the man candidly admits that he is motivated by ego and not pleasure in sex, at least in this case, and his mockery of prostitution on many occasions makes that cleer. What matters to him, like the majority of men, is getting their ego validated by the opinions other people – in this case women – have of them. No doubt sex is important to them too, but it is secondary – of first importance is what women think of them, as reflected by whether they will sleep with them.

    The ability to truly and really disregard what others think of you and to not be motivated by the desire to win the approval of others we like – whether beautiful women, our male friends – is reserved for a very few, extremely strong and perhaps lucky men. I know I am yet one of them. I care far too much much, like Roosh and all PUA’s, not to mention average men, about what others think of me and frequently deny myself pleasure and happiness out of my sad bondage to this fact of human psychology.

    But I struggle against it – philosophically, I recognize the pateticness of this bondage to the opinions of others. I envy those men who have no fear patronizing beautiful prostitutes, and imagine they probably mock us more slavish souls who get our ego validation from women having good opinions of us.

    And as I struggle against my bondage, every day I get stronger.

  • Pierce

    Excellent post. If a girl gives you a boner, this means you and her make a great DNA match and would have some impressive offspring.

    The boner is the ultimate symbol of our primal sex drive. If there’s no boner, then she’s not worth your time.

  • last tango

    Yes, this. Though for me it works kinda other way – originally my standards weren’t that high, but now I tend to avoid uglies as I know even if she manages to scramble a boner, it’s not likely to be that enjoyable and forget about 2+ time the same night. Interesting part – you can easily project it on women and alphas/betas and be rid of beta butthurt and understand why exactly you need game.

  • quepaso

    there are women you pump and dump and women you make love to!

  • pepini

    No busllshit, great post. Genius.

  • gringoed

    Wow, good post. This is definitely true, it’s because unfortunately game and the community is more about ego than about pursuing romantic bliss.

    Also, good writing Samsaeu. I thought it was Roosh the whole time. Similar writing styles.

    My recent thoughts on girls is thinking in terms of “value.” What girls are good value girls, meaning I find them attractive but they may not be considered as attractive by most other men. Thus, they don’t have the downsides that attractive girls tend to have. Good value girls tend to be good girlfriends for me. Total loyalty.

  • d

    In my experience.

    The more attractive the female the worse she is in bed.

    I am experienced to understand now that the best lays rarely come from 8-10s.

  • Mrs. Chocolate

    Despite all men here say that girl chasing is BS, the forum is going in the way around.

  • The Specimen

    Great post. Beauty and sex appeal, while kind of related, are definitely not the same thing.

    I think OK Cupid did a study on this. Men are more likely to go after women that they find attractive, but don’t think other men will (unconventional beauty). Game theory.

  • http://gameforomegas.wordpress.com Omega Man

    >>at beautiful girls, who are usually dehumanized whores that happen to have hot bodies which give good boners<<

    Dude, that's cold.

    But being able to get it up for anything is a tremendous benefit. From guys I have known, the guys who get a lot of pussy can and will fuck *anything*. If you able to fuck ugly, fat girls, who are easy to fuck, you get sexual experience and a high notch count, which women will know through their sixth sense. Then they will be drawn to you.

  • Firepower

    I have a variety of qualities I require for girls attracting me. One of which is personality.

    If the attraction level is met, I fuck her.

  • mercati

    everything in this universe is relative…

  • Mercenary

    Look at this woman. She definitely pass the boner test of some guy. Christ almighty

    http://gossiponthis.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/fw2.jpg

    The boner test has its limit.

    Beauty is relative; and beauty isnt relative.

  • Bateman

    8 D:

    You’re totally right about uglier girls being better in bed. A few months ago I hooked up with a cute but chubby girl who I would say was a 6 (I was drunk). I woke up in the morning in her residence room feeling like a piece of shit (mostly for allowing myself to be drunk enough to spend the night) and cursing myself for hooking up with a porker. I got up to get the hell out of there and she pulled me back and gave me the best blowjob I’ve ever had. She was so eager to do it and so genuinely enthusiastic about it i was amazed. I haven’t macked a sub par girl since but can’t say I don’t often consider it when I’m out dealing with some of the horrible girls our society produces who happen to be hot. Great post Roosh.

  • http://lolzunrated.com lolzunrated

    I’ve been using the boner test for a long time now. I wish I could get boners from fatties and fuglies, but my standards are almost normal. Still, I prefer girls who are taller and older than most of my friends prefer, and the boner test keeps me chasing the girls I want, rather than the girls who will earn me the most high-fives.

  • Carlos E

    What about the after boner… when you finally end and all you want to do is go away… there are some chicks that not only give me boners but are also nice to keep till morning

  • Snoeperd

    @Greg

    Nice post, but i can’t agree with your sentiment. Your body still craves the ego validation and pua-ship is a way to that, but i would say its more the control you have over the situation than the appreciation of your peers that gives a man his ego-high.

    All your drives are biological, better use what skills you have to fulfill those drives the best way you can.

  • Phoenix

    Heh, what an eye opener.

    “Less is more”

    You settle for a less attractive girl, and she’ll be one of the best catches you’ll ever have. Let the beautiful women chase all those toned up bad boys down and get shit on for it. Then they’ll end up settling for the less attractive beta who will make her happy for a while, then spoiled to divorce court.

  • http://collegeslacker.wordpress.com collegeslacker

    This is stuff to meditate on.

    Not trying to brag but I turn down 5s and 6s regularly. But, if I am going to be completely honest about it it is because I don’t want to get flack from my friends. Perhaps I’ll start expanding my horizons.

  • hydrogonian

    While I’m admittedly more focused on conventional beauty now than I used to be (maybe because girls that aren’t conventionally beautiful are much more passable as younger women, but I wouldn’t hit on them now when they are my age – in the mid thirties), there is a certain combination of features that makes my brain short circuit and me to be more or less blind to anything else. Those features are a tight bubble ass and/or blonde curly hair. Both my kryptonite. In combination, they produce my ultimate “boner effect” and the girl could probably be godzilla and I wouldn’t notice. Its the strangest thing.

  • Poke

    Only insecure men need to pop beautiful women exclusively. You’re not fucking her for yourself, you’re fucking her to impress others — and how pathetic is that?

    Give me someone moderately pretty/attractive (what PUAs typically call a 5 or 6) with a decent brain and zero attitude, and I’m good to go.

    Some of the ugliest women I’ve ever met are beautiful.

  • Roosh

    I don’t allow guest posters here often but I caught Samseau’s boner test idea on the forum and asked him to develop it for the blog.

    It gets a little more complicated with relationships, but for casual sex the boner test is a good strategy. I mix it with The VK Rule (no two fatties in a row). If you bang a beast then you should aim higher for the next bang so it doesn’t become an “official” pattern.

    “Also, good writing Samsaeu. I thought it was Roosh the whole time. Similar writing styles.”

    I sprinkled his guest post with some Roosh seasoning. :)

  • Jordan

    Loved this post! Also liked reading Gregs comment at #3…..

  • Clown

    The problem with settling for any old thing that passes the boner test is you become complacent. You lose your drive to improve yourself. If you are satisfied with a 5, there’s really no need to work your game further. The chief reward of game, for me at least, is the act of winning a girl’s interest. Not the sex. I’d much rather get an 8 to be interested in me than a 5 into bed. The sexual payoff isn’t nearly as satisfying as the psychology victory. Can a 5 give me a boner? Sure. Will I go home with her if I have no other options? Sure. Will I pray to Jesus that nobody sees me? Absolutely. That’s not ego. That’s protecting your reputation. If I’m known as the guy that goes home with fugly girls, what is my appeal to hot girls?

    I think the only way of improving your game is to set yourself goals and standards. That includes the quality of girl you allow yourself to game. When you are starting out, its educational to practice game on everybody – 10′s, 4′s, grandmothers.. But once you have some success, you must create standards, and the boner standard is not selective enough.

  • http://solvemygirlproblems.com SolveMyGirlProblems

    the dark side of game. I rarely ever feel truly satisfied now. I remember a time when sleeping with any girl was considered a blessing. Game inevitably raises your standards to a point where you only feel satisfied and challenged when your talking to universal HB8+s

  • http://www.practicalpickup.com/ Mark

    Awesome post and insight. I love it.

    In regards to Clown and SolveMyGirlProblems, I’ve experienced the same thing, and this begs the question: when does it end? When is enough enough? When do you stop and decide, “OK, these girls are good enough.”

    I think at some point you have to get off the self-improvement train, or else you’ll develop standards so high that you just are stuck alone nitpicking the flaws of everyone around you.

  • hydrogonian

    @poke

    ten years ago I may have agreed with you, somewhat.

    But staring at a 9-10 as you do things that are borderline illegal is a special kind of sexual experience that can’t be duplicated with a 5, because it requires pure and intense physical attraction.

  • http://sjones84.blogspot.com/ Solo

    If it’s on the plate you gotta eat it, who turns down free food? moms told me to eat everything on the plate so I have an appetite for destruction, sometimes when its a grenade you gotta pull the pin, sometimes…..

  • Adventure21c

    Wow. http://www.rooshv.com is becoming even more of a goldmine. Spot on one after another!

  • http://shobogenzo-misinterpreted.blogspot.com Thomas Amundsen

    hahaha! this is a genius post

  • Hamilton

    Oh my, so true. Long have a felt a deep envy of guys with indiscriminate boners. Some guys above talk about the thing holding them back being some form of social stigma, but ultimately it goes beyond that.

    Even if you were given the opportunity with some of these girls in a social vacuum would you want to? For most guys, with plenty of girls, the answer would be “no”.

    I myself have been in a couple of situations where I could have banged a couple of girls – without anyone but myself seeing what they looked like – and yet just couldn’t bring myself to do it.

    Colin Farrell, on the other hand, used to be so indiscriminate that he once went and begged a British actress for sex in a hotel one night. She was 68 years old.

    So we talk about being looked down upon for hooking up with low grade girls, but really, considering the two points above, who is the one to be disparaged – me, or Colin Farrell? The answer, alas, is clear.

  • JT

    The Theory of Subjective Value

  • samseau

    Thanks for all the compliments! You guys make me want to start my own blog.

    My original post did not have Roosh’s euphemisms or humor, and I think he did a good job of improving it. He also exaggerates how ugly I found my bro’s girl, lol. “Every branch on the ugly tree ugly”, haha.

    But if I had to nitpick one thing -

    “It didn’t matter how great she was, but she didn’t pass the boner test.”

    Should be

    “It didn’t matter how great she was; she didn’t pass the boner test.”

    Other than that, I am deeply appreciative of posting my thoughts on your blog, Roosh. This is a lot of fun and encouragement to continue with my own writing.

    And to address a few comments.

    Comment 3:

    “See how many times PUA’s, not to mention most average men, mock and despise men who pay for sex with beautiful women – clearly, to these men, the most important element with regard to girls is ego, not pleasure, not even sex. If they can “get” a beautiful girl, this validates their ego, and THIS is what is felt to be most important about chasing girls, not the pleasure of sex.”

    You are right to a degree. If a whore was giving you a genuine boner, and you could afford it, then I say go for it.

    But, what’s true for me, and I think most guys, is that my boner’s are best when I know she’s hot for me. Prostitutes are just really good at faking it, and if they can’t fool me I won’t get any boner.

    Your ego needs validation insomuch she can make you feel desirable, but whores provide no such satisfaction. Conversely, for a girl to be excited and thrilled to be with you – now that’s my kind of turn on. Without the erotic tension that comes from the possibility of rejection, prostitutes are unable to provide as much pleasure as even the most average of girls.

    It’s the same reason a tranny doesn’t pass the boner test – sure, she might have a sexy exterior, but I know seeing a cock between two legs would have my dick retreating faster than Ben Ali of Tunisia. Likewise, beneath all of a prostitute’s game, I know she probably doesn’t give a fuck about me and that’s a turn off.

    Comment 26:

    You got answered in comment 27. Your dick becomes choosy. It’s happened to me and every other guy I know who can get laid. Still, it doesn’t mean I’m only chasing the hotties.

  • http://theprivateman.wordpress.com/ The Private Man

    And it gets problematic with age.

    Lots of over-40 men are reporting erectile dysfunction. There might indeed be a medical reason behind it. But has anyone asked the question about women getting older when looks fade and weight increases?

    As Tom Leykis stated, men don’t need Viagra, they need young, hot babes.

  • Fisto

    Goddamn…

    When did this blog turn into the male version of sex and the city?

  • Timothy

    A woman can have what most wouldn’t consider a pretty face or model body, but can still be SEXY. Obviously, we’re not talking the far end of the scale, but there’s a lot in between that is completely doable. I’ve never had a particular type that I found most attractive – it’s all about the particular woman at a particular moment. I’ve always found actresses Gina Gershon, Linda Fiorentino and Ellen Barkin incredibly sexy, yet they aren’t pretty by Hollywood standards (though all have great bodies). I’ve found that a lot of the pretty women in Hollywood that everyone falls all over to not be sexy at all, but kind of plastic. I’ll take a cute, enthusiastic chubby (not sloppy) woman over a model-type that can’t fuck ANY day. There is a pride factor in nailing an 8-10, but I also think it’s pseudo-psych bullshit to say that you’ll get stuck in a “pattern” if you allow yourself to fuck a woman that’s lower on the scale. Sure, your boys might clown you, but YOU busted a nut that night and they didn’t. It’s also bullshit to say that you’ll get stuck in a pattern where nothing is good enough. If your goal is to only fuck 8-10s, you can’t go higher than that. It won’t be about finding something better, but DIFFERENT. For men it’s about variety anyway. One woman’s breasts might be a little different than the previous one – that will turn you on. One chick’s ass will be a bit rounder than the previous one. That will get you hard. One chick’s lips will be thicker, so that will be what you’ll focus on. Every now and then, and opportunity fuck presents itself, and if she’s kind of cute and willing, fuck what everyone else thinks. If someone is worried about their “reputation” with a bunch of strangers, then you’re probably fishing too much in the same pond if these people actually know who you are.

  • InterestedParty

    There are a lot of 5s and 6s I hit and am not ashamed of. When I rate a woman a 9 or 10 and another woman a 5, a lot of people think I won’t bang the 5.

    WRONG! Really, really wrong.

    I’d bang either or. It’s just that I PREFER the 9 or a 10.

    Only thing I wont do is chase hard after the 5. Ain’t worth it.

  • jay

    Roosh, be careful in Copenhagen. I lived there for three years and I found the people are pretty intolerant of anyone who is or looks like a Middle Eastern. Seeing as you do look kinda like one (no offense) you might want to watch your back, especially at night.
    Cheers bro, have fun in CPH.

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  • M

    Unfortunately social proof plays a big role in my psychology. Regardless of what I feel about a chick, her attractiveness moves dramatically depending on the opinions of those in my circle. I am not as socially secure as I would like to be.

  • mr t

    while there is definitely a lot of truth to this post, i just wonder if this type of attitude could turn someone into a “fattie fucker.”

    i mean, fucking an ug every now and then is ok, but once a majority of your bangs come from ugs, then i think it is time to re-evalute the situation.

    also, i definitely wouldn’t consider someone a PUA is they are mostly banging ugs. any (reasonably goodlooking guy) could get a ton of bangs if all he did was bang ugs and fatties.

  • mr t

    whoops, should read:

    “i definitely wouldn’t consider someone a PUA IF they are mostly banging ug.”

  • http://siliconvalleywarrior.wordpress.com/ SV Warrior

    It’s all relative. I didn’t let others tell me whether a woman was a 5 or 6 or a 10. I never did and don’t to this day. Any more than I let others define me. If I had, then I might not have been so lucky with women when I was younger and not ended up marrying a 10 (IMHO).

    If I was attracted to a woman it made no difference if she met other folks view of what was a 7 or 8 or a ten. One woman I had the most passionate affair with had an 8 or 9 face with a okay body that carried about 20 pounds extra. So, yes, she was a bit chubby.

    I “had” to sleep with her and did!

  • anon

    This is why I don’t like antipathy towards homosexuals. Every man should be free to go where his boner points.

  • Kimleebj

    Kudos to Samseau and Roosh for the classic:

    “all boners are equal in the eyes of god.”

  • Alpha Mofo

    Dude it all boils down to personal preference. A friend of mine likes very thick (almost fat) girls. Some are cute, but I don’t really get hot for them. I used to worry about it but hey it’s his life not mine. My friend btw is a decent looking guy with confidence, smarts, money and has had other IMO more attractive women want him,so I can just assume he just likes these types of girls.

    While most men are in somewhere in between, you have guys who will literally stick their dick in anything from 10′s to -1 lard asses. At the polar opposite of these guys are the dudes that I think are probably suffering from too little sex drive, the kind in which only a really amazingly hot woman would even begin to attract them. These guys are almost as picky as women and sometimes I think might even be slightly gay.. “oooh she has a zit on her chin..” “ooh her hair isn’t perfect..” to me those guys are like bitches and look for any reason to disqualify a girl.

  • RSP

    This seems like justification to fuck ugly girls.

  • Poke

    RSP, you don’t need justification to fuck anything. That’s what the post was all about.

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  • Zarfy

    I think this is one of the most profound posts on this blog.

  • schwanson

    This is very well written. Excellent work Samseau.

  • Wolf

    The Boner Test a.k.a. thinking with the little head. That’s not profound, that’s stupid.

  • cunt

    what if u get a boner for a horse

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  • http://www.esirecruiters.com Carl

    What you young man have hit right on the head is that……NO ONE REALLY GIVES A FUCK!! Check out the move A BRONX TALE, where the protagonist C is uptight because he likes a black girl and worries what others might think of him. The Mob Boss Sonny tells him, it doesn’t matter what the fuck anybody else thinks when you are in bed with her and getting that great feeling that those others are not going to give you. And then he gave him th keys to his Caddy to take the girl out. Just don’t give a fuck of what others think because in the end it really doesn’t matter. Bang who you want and……ENJOY!! I sure do, and i just don’t give a damn what anybody else thinks.

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  • http://norway-v-breivik.blogspot.com/ Lara Zhivago

    I once gave a guy a full orgasm: young good looking stockbroker from San Francisco. He had got himself a rock hard cock, and great orgasm, without him even undoing his zip. He littlerally orgasmed in his pants, upon the voice and touch stimulation only of a woman he honestly did not find attractive.

    We met on craigslist. He told me had this problem that he could not get a boner for girls he did not find attractive. I told him I doubted he’d find me attractive, but was he interested in a sexual experiment. Test his mind and boner belief theory. No strings.

    We did the ‘Is my boner belief a mindfuck prison’ experiment, and proved his minds boner theory totally incorrect. He is no longer in his boner belief prison.

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  • luke

    Because women are only of worth if they comply with your outdated standards of beauty, correct?

  • Jan

    Maybe I’m weird but I get anxiety around beautiful women which suppresses my boner at first. When I’ve been lucky enough to get a makeout, then a boner follows. On the flip side, I have an easy time getting a boner for slightly above average women, and for that matter, inanimate objects and for no reason at all, if I don’t jerk off.

  • yourbrainonporn

    the boner test keeps you away from women that look like your sister(s) or mother. LOL

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  • Boner4a5

    Pff, I read a lot of pua theory and all that. But I never bother to use it. I want a girl who’s good in the sack and not obnoxious, after that I don’t care. I mean, yeah a 9 is a 9 and an 8 is great but give me a lady that can suck me dry and I’m happy.

  • Imma Ninja Too

    Yes! And as soon as my boner takes full effect, I let the ‘beast’ know it’s alive for her, that she caused it. I got this 35 yr old from el Salvador, with an unexpected brilliant line, ‘you look like family.’ turns out, she was married for 14 years, hasn’t been with a man in 3, only women (not sure I buy it), but her pussy sure feels like it, and it’s hot like fire. Probably because I make her hot by letting her fingers relax along my hard on for hours before I fuck her. Nowadays, I find myself hunting for girls with lost passion. Girls who need to know they can make hardons. And the beauty is, they become addicted to feeling desired in that way. Who else will be hard for her, for hours, for no other reason then her presence. If you can show arousal like that for a girl after the priliminary rounds. It’s on!

  • Imma Ninja Too

    Also, the 35 yr old lets me fuck her face with both hands. She told me she wanted to sleep over so she can suck my dick. This plea was after i already busted in her mouth. Plus, she told me that, normally she wouldn’t fuck with my kind.

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  • Dr.C

    @ Samseau Be true to yourself. Even if you are a chubby chaser or a boner chaser or a whatever chaser. It’s your life and you only have one of them. Enjoy yourself while you can! You’re not hurting people. Think I’ll use a line that sprang to mind while reading this “I’ve got ants in my pants and it’s because of the way you dance”.

    @ Greg (ie. Comment #3)- You’re definitely on to something.

    Great job of turning on the defroster to unfog the windows of our perception.

    If you’re on the Roosh V forum please write me.

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  • a bloke

    I can see words of wisdom here. A good deal of guys at some point realise that… And a good deal don’t, unfortunately, and they waste their lives chasing other’s standards.
    One mate of mine used to say “she must be ugly if you fancy her”, huh, good for me, more fanny of my type for me :D

  • Maldek

    Dangerous advice.

    Many rookies will use this as an excuse to not improve, not work hard and instead take the easy way out.

    I too take the liberty to pick a charming 5 over a bitchy 8 (or god forbid nothing) and can see the wisdom in your words.

    It took 20+ years of choice to gain that insight though.

  • Anonymous

    You have no business using god in your article. This physically repulses me.

  • J

    I once dated a guy who, after a short period, informed me that he just didn’t find me attractive and I should move on. He could have just stopped there (he made his point and I was out the door), but he felt the need to make sure I got the point.

    He didn’t like my boobs, my butt, my hips, my thighs, etc. And that was with limited exposure to my naked body. Heaven only knows what else he would have found wrong if he had had more time with my body.

    Here is the thing, he got a boner each time I walked into the room. The last time I saw him, to return his things? Yeah, I entered the door to his apartment and within a minute he had a raging hard on. Nice tent. He couldn’t help comment on how he liked my dress, lip stick, necklace, shoes, etc while trying to touch me.

    Who knows what his deal was. I was out. But, I suspect that, as I am not traditionally attractive, he cared more about what his buddy thought of his girl than what his little guy thought.

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  • http://www.boytoystory.com Boy Toy

    I agree with the point that STANDARDS is all individual. If one are attracted to the girl and wants to fuck her, that’s cool.
    That’s why out of my 130+ lays, far from all of them have been 8′s and 9′s..
    With that said, I would definitely prefer a 9 to a 6 at all times. A hotter girl just gives me an even bigger boner ;-)

  • harry

    well said, buddy ,facts. i thinking to change too

  • Isaac Asstomouth

    >1 outlaw josey wales
    March 11th, 2011 @ 9:39 am
    Well said. That’s why the endless discussions of who’s a 10, a 5, etc. are pointless.

    This. Everybody has their own taste. A 9 for someone could be just a 6 to me, or vice versa. Some men for example crave blondes, but they never did it for me. I like dark haired girls with light skin. hnnnnggg….

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  • realteruchan

    Use it!

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