In pains me deeply to write this because friends and family I trust and respect loved The Dark Knight, but after watching the movie I believe it’s because the hype machine sucked them in along with everyone else.
But Roosh, The Dark Knight has a whopping 95%Tomatometer. What could you possibly have noticed that even professional critics could not see?
I shall explain. Allow me to bring you fanboys back into the realm of reality and reason.
1. When did Gotham City become bright and lovely New York City? A place that I could live and possibly raise a family, with modern skyscrapers at 100% occupancy and busy streets full of new cars and smartly dressed people.
2. Bruce can simultaneously defeat fifty men at a time armed to the teeth, but is thwarted by a nylon net, a two inch blade, and an ill-tempered dog.
3. Holy shit is the Joker organized! He embarrasses the mob, Batman, and the police at the same time, one step ahead of everyone, planting bombs pretty much everywhere every day and able to infiltrate the deepest rungs of power to kill and maim. He drives no. 2 pencils through the skulls of man. He can take punches from martial arts master Bruce Wayne and can even kick his ass. But he can’t aim a fucking bazooka!
4. Rachel’s (Maggie Gyllenhaal) death was stupid and confusing. Batman said he was going to save Rachel but ended up saving Harvey. That forces me to believe that the Joker switched the addresses up on purpose. But then we’re sort of kind urged to believe Rachel was a sacrifice and the police commissioner was in on it. No surprise this mess involved Maggie Gyllenhaal, a co-star in Donnie Darko, the most confusing film of all time.
5. When a movie has you rooting for the villain to win and kill the hero and his fake robot voice, it has failed. Especially when said villain’s life kept getting saved by our confused hero, even if it caused him great injury.
6. Deebo the prisoner has a heart of steel but the general public are murderous, stupid animals who should be stripped of their right to vote. You are the general public.
1. Rachel. A homely, unlikable, somewhat masculine spinster was able to string along two of Gotham’s most desirable bachelors? And I was supposed to be sad when she died? I was quite pleased! Both men could do better than the alpha bitch whose grating presence is a bad influence on young American girls. Playing the field leads to unhappiness for women, not marriage with a high-profile male.
2. Two-Face’s Transformation. Forced, absurd, and not believable. One moment he’s risking his life to save the city but the next he turns into a homicidal maniac because his bitchy girlfriend died? And it took a private one-on-one with the Joker, the man who killed her, to do it?! The relationship between Harvey and Rachel seemed like a stiff friendship, and it was impossible to jump to the conclusion that her death sent his mind to the fiery pits of hell. Plus with his brain basically exposed from the face fire he would surely get an infection and die within two days, yet he was fully functional and even able to speak without any impediment even though he looked like a mummy in The Mummy.
3. No resolution. In any good story something has to change. The hero has to transform and realize something or the end has to be different than the beginning. This is why Batman Begins is a good movie. But in The Dark Knight the only change occurred in Two Face, a secondary character, and it was dumb dumb dumb. Batman regressed into a Big Brother figure tapping everyone’s phone and manipulating the press and the Joker will be sent to a jail that he’ll surely escape from. The very end has Batman barely escaping from… wait for it… the police! Because a dead LAWYER gives hope to a city! The real reason there is no resolution is because they want money for a sequel, which millions will wait in line for hours to see and then praise.
I’m now convinced that any movie that debuts number one at the box office is just mindless trash, engineered by committee to be liked by as many people worldwide as possible, who lap it up like an obese cat drinking milk from a dirty bowl.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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Have you ever actually fired a bazooka? Let alone shot at a moving target from a moving platform? :)
I couldn’t agree more. every one of my friends says this was the greatest movie and blah blah blah. But when I ask how the last 10 minutes of the movie ended…. no one knows or can remember. Shouldn’t that be a mark of lameness that the directors couldn’t muster up enough action or even dialogue ( which there was too much of) to keep the audience remembering the ending?
The Two Face stuff was clearly the weakest point, with this I agree. Maybe I wasn’t paying attention close enough, but I don’t get why he had his face pressed in that gasoline.
While I didn’t love the Rachael character, a spinster? Really? That assessment just seems to suit your agenda well.
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Gotham is Chicago, not NYC, in the Dark Knight.
As for D’s comment, anyone that can’t remember the last 10 minutes of the film is a moron.
Ignoring the tone, themes, atmosphere, pacing, structure and overall feel of a film in favour of nitpicking at plot holes and personal preference is certainly the best way to approach journalism.
Really my biggest gripe was the casting of MG has Rachel. All other issues aside, she’s not pretty enough for the lead female of a summer movie. Sort of like Julia Roberts in Ocean’s Eleven. Julia Roberts a decade before the movie might be worth the effort of the movie’s alpha male leads. But aged Julia Roberts? Nah. Especially in Vegas.
Otherwise while I get your gripes, I think its that phenomena where some movies just don’t resonate with people, and suddenly the various issues that are inevitably in any superhero (or even regular) movie bug you to no end. I do think the two-face scarring was overboard– cool makeup, but so messed up as to be over the top, even for a summer movie.
This overly long post is my way of fighting back at the man by not actually working on a Monday.
Sure, well deserved criticisms. All showing the films gaps couldn’t suspend your disbelief but you did miss one thing…..THERE IS A DUDE IN A FUCKING BAT COSTUME BEATING DUDES UP WITH GADGETS…or did you miss that little nugget genius? The whole concept is pretty ridiculous.
Why don’t you talk about something you do know about like being unemployed, living with your parents at near 30 years of age, and picking up chicks on a $20 per week allowance?
i think this is a fairly common example of you countering anything that could appear trendy for the sake of countering anything that could appear trendy.
c’mon roosh, any movie – good or bad – requires at least some suspension of reality to be entertaining, especially for audiences as large as those the dark knight is drawing in. the fact that you want to pick it apart in such detail demonstrates that you’ve forgotten this important precondition to enjoying a movie based on a comic book originally written for teenage boys.
if you want something true to life, watch discovery channel or something like that. otherwise pull the prickly 9 foot rod out of your ass and allow yourself to be entertained by something mainstream once in a while.
I definitely agree with your commentary about the Dark Knight. I enjoyed it but I felt there were some parts that were lacking.
I found you through Jack Goes Forth but I somehow feel I know you from a forum I used to go to that discussed women and how to pick them up. I think it was SBB but it’s been seven years since then. Am I right?
Its a fucking comic book movie people. That’s how Two Face is supposed to look, and it came out looking pretty cool. Who cares if he would have gotten an infection in real life?
details, details. count me in among the other obese cats, lapping away. it was highly entertaining during the 2 portions of the movie that i was actually conscious.
the casting of maggie was a considerable improvement over katie holmes…although i’d rather see jennifer connelly, ANY DAY.
joker is the ultimate in post-modern moral relativism. batman was moral absolutes for no reason. they are essentially the same.
and i would say Lynch’s Inland Empire is a strong contender for most confusing movie of all time…
Man… I’ve been reading you for over a year now, even bought your book a while back. I’ve got to say though, you’ve gotten so bitter lately, you’re getting tiresome to read.
I too share the same feelings as ‘Matt’ above. You’re becoming ever more tiresome and a tad on the bitter side these day’s. What’s wrong?
Movie was sick.
1. Gotham was brightened up to show the positive effects of Batman/Dent.
2. Every movie has that. Easily beaten henchmen with a tough boss.
3. Who says he missed? Didn’t he want to be caught?
4. Think about it Roosh. The Joker told Batman the wrong info. He switched which character was in each location. Being a mouth breather, I guess that needed to be spelled out for you more clearly.
5. The fact that people liked the Joker is a success in my book. The whole point of the movie was to blur the line between good and evil, right and wrong.
6. Last time I checked, neither boat blew the other one up.
Your first two points are on the money. Maggie G is fugley, and I wasn’t buying the Two Face thing. The third point is debatable. It resolved about as well as you can expect from a franchise series. I don’t think Christopher Nolan planned on Heath Ledger ODing, otherwise there may have been a bit more closure.
The movie has shortfalls and the movie would be nothing without Ledger. It would clearly be an average movie at best without his Joker, which is not overrated in the least.
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“…the Joker will be sent to a jail that he’ll surely escape from.”
The Joker will likely be sent to Arkham Asylum, not jail.
p.s. stop hatin’.
I agree with Roosh one this. I thought I was the only person who didn’t think it was all that, and basically grossly over hyped blockbuster. Thank god for this post cuz I thought I was the only one who didn’t like it.
wow…lots of typos and redundancy in that post. My bad.
-Gotham looked different b/c Batman had been cleaning up the city, ala the meeting between the Joker and the mobsters…..when he made his offer to get rid of Batman for them.
-the point about the blades and the dogs, again, like the first movie, Batman’s a work in progress, he hasn’t been doing the “Batman” thing for decades….
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I’ll happily concede all the minor points, which in my mind were small annoyances. Every movie has them. But the major points infected the movie and turned it from potential greatness to garbage.
i go into these types of movies with my brain set on “summer blockbuster” mode. i don’t set the screenwriting or plot consistency bar at the high level of an indie flic at E st cinema. this way, i can sit back and not question too much and just let the FX and one liners and punches flow over me like a narcotic. there is room in my life for turning off my powers of analysis and regressing to the state of a vegetable.
that said, i agree with most of your minor and major points. it defies credulity that a boatload of prisoners would suddenly find morality and spare another boat of regular people. in real life, the thugs would’ve pulled the trigger before joker even finished his instructions over the intercom. the movie cheated the audience here by taking the easy way out. it would’ve been braver had the people on the ferries confirmed joker’s worldview.
there’s no way in real life OR in fake movie life that a has-been plain jane like maggie gyllenhaal would monopolize the time and attentions of the two biggest alpha studs in gotham. now the russian ballerina on the other hand…
batman’s fake husky low voice was cheesy enough to distract from the rest of the cartoony story.
ledger’s joker was good, but not as good as hopkin’s lector.
there was a subtheme revolving around the war on terror. depending on your politics, you could find support for either position in this movie.
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Does anyone else feel that Christian Bale makes a shitty batman?
He is robotic and has no charisma.
As for Gyllenhaul..i have no clue why they would have picked her for the part.
The whole Two Face thing had me consfuseed as well. Nolan did such a good job trying make Batman more realistic and unexplainable.. then he wants us to believe Dent can just walk out of the hospital perfectly fine… plus it was very awkwardly filmed where his face lit on fire.
But I won’t argue the fact that I was entertained the entire time.
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When a movie has you rooting for the villain to win and kill the hero and his fake robot voice, it has failed.
I’ve always rooted for the bad guy.
The film is very surreal, it’s based on a comic book after all. May be this aspect of the film wasn’t so entertaining to some people, but let’s not overlook how highly philosophical/sociological it was… and i think most of us here could at least understand the joker and his points on life and people.
I agree about everything except Batman begins being good. That sucked too.
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OMG. Criticisms like these piss me off. DK rocked. It wasn’t a perfect movie. Few ever are, but it is one of the most competent and engaging comic adaptations ever. I mean…sigh…as mentioned before, ANY summer blockbuster, specifically one adapted from media such as a comic book requires a fair amount of disbelief suspension. These are superheroes. The storys are told with BROAD BRUSHTROKES. Let’s acknoweldge this and get over the minor gripes.
as for the major gripes:
1: ugh. Rachel isn’t ms. universe. stop the fuckin presses. Who the fuck cares. She’s an actress playing a part. I mean christopher reeves gave up all his superpowers over margot kidder. Let’s move on.
2: “those burns should cause an infection?” are you fucking kidding me? are you serious here? when the building blew up half his face was covered in gas from well he fell over in his chair. again. this is fucking comic book. Why the hell would a bat fly through the window of a fucking mansion? don’t they have sonar? gimme a fucking break. batman has the looniest gallery of rogues in comic book history. any origin story for them is gonna be a bit far-fetched. let’s move on.
3: NO RESOLUTION?!!? joker was caught. Batman’s on the run and probably a bit more cynical than when he started and gotham’s one real chance at above the board redemption is lost with harvey. Everything has changed. Sure there’s no bow at the end of this, but it’s the 2nd movie of an OBVIOUS trilogy. what resolution were we given at the end of Empire Strikes Back?
Look. there’s hype. there’s excitement. this is people’s childhood fantasies come to life. we’re not supposed to compare this to Michael Clayton or There will Be Blood. Insofar as the medium of moving pictures can translate a story from the medium of comic books this was a phenomenal achievement.
It can never be perfect. this is why Alan Moore completely divorces himself from any adaptation of his works. If you are going to criticize a movie based on the gaps between one medium and another (which is essentially what you were doing) then you might as well not see ANY superhero movie.
Hah, another provocative article. I totally agree w/ this post though. That movie was so whack. I came for the FX, and thats all I enjoyed. It was completely awful on so many levels, and I mean, the fuckng prison boat scenario is soooo obvious: the prison guards wld push the button…. on the premise that the citizens on the other boat wldnt give a fuck abt the prisonners to begin with, so why shld I die as an innocent prison guard?
You should stick with discussing game…
Batman did a good job of satisfying the comic book clueless and uber geeks alike. If you are looking for a summer blockbuster that lets your brain stop working for an hour and a half, but completely butchers the comic it was based on. Watch Wanted.
Yes, Roosh this movie was a hideous confusing mess, even for a summer blockbuster. It did nothing at any emotional level and played down to “idiocracy” america. Why was it so successful? Hype and people have nothing better to do this time of year.
Can’t believe an actor like Gary Oldman could have his talents wasted like that, as boring, dull, Gordon.
Two-Face Subplot: Tacked on crap designed to make people feel the movie was worth $10.
Rachel and Harvey Dent: An alpha couple that could feasibly exist in any large city.
Rachel and Bruce Wayne: Something that boggled the mind since Bruce Wayne is capable of “buying” better women (e.g The Russian ballerina).
I may deal with this topic tonight on my blog…
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Saw the movie…thought it was pretty good but I liked jack nicholson’s joker better.
I feel that the bashing of this movie is way over the top.
1) the movie is a fantasy is every aspect things will not be realistic in so far as plot creationa nd character development.
2) the two face subplot was designed to create the villian in the next movie who is obviously going to be two-face. a joker card is seen at the end of the first movie and we are never shown a dead body at the ending though the scene did look like a eulogy for harvey dent.
3) maggie is not that attractive but she is a good actress so ya take what you can get.
4) the ending boat scene, as contrived as it appeard is about the prisoners dilemma. i’m sure you all heard about it and the point of it was symbolism, nothing more.
the only fair criticisms of this movie are that the ending lacked a solid finale. the joker battle was weak and the harvey dent kid scenario was lame. another criticism being how absurd that sonar device was because it really interrupted the chasing joker down aspect the whole movie has developed. the other criticism could be how heavy handed all the metaphors and symbolism was. I can accept these things. personally i just looked past them and didn’t let it destroy the movie because honestly the action, acting and special effects were phenomenal and the battle of ‘chaos’ versus justice was interesting.
it is after all a batman movie.
You know, I haven’t seen this yet, ass. And I may be the only one in the comments who’ll say this, but I would totally throw it in Maggie Gyllenhaal. You guys just don’t have refined tastes.
I didn’t think Batman Begins was all that special either, better than a Clooney Batman, but not as good as Spiderman. And Christian Bale has no dimension; it’s like he’s swimming through the role. The best non-Adam West Batman has always been Michael Keaton, in normal person attire, brandishing a saucepan and demanding that we get nuts.
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For those of you that think I’m trolling or being over the top..
I never see movies in the theater. I think it’s a waste of money. But all my friends said it was good and the reviews were incredible. I went in excited like a schoolgirl for an entertaining movie that would flow and tell a good story.
When it was done i looked over to my buddy and we both had the same expression. We couldn’t understand why everyone loved it. Walking out we kept our heads down trying to comprehend why it was so great, coming up empty. Next to us walked a few meatheads that high fived each other over the “awsome”ness of the movie.
The last bad movie I saw was Rambo IV, but at least it was entertaining without trying to outsmart itself with these subtle political messages that don’t fit. In TDK even think the action sequences weren’t good.
In six months no one will remember this movie.
You were disappointed, fair enough. Someone needs to set an egg timer for six months from now, and see if we’ve all forgotten “The Dark Knight” just like “Titanic” was forgotten in six months (this is sarcasm). The only question in my mind is if “TDK” will pass “Titanic” in domestic box office when adjusted for inflation. In nominal terms, I’m sure it will crush “Titanic”. Hollywood should be so fortunate that a movie like this is forgettable after six months.
Didn’t even notice the sub textual theme of a war on terror. Irrespective, well said Roissy.
I agree with you Roosh, but unfortunately I think all the bat butt muncher fans will once again attempt to relive the glory and momentum in the sequel. Despite their die hard attachment I foresee little success unless another cast member manages to go emo and (accidentally or otherwise) call it quits. I should knock on wood, because even though Christian Bale’s bat voice was akin to a Cannibal Corpse vocal set, his past roles in American Psycho, Equilibrium for example, really attest to his talent as an actor.
Last three posts: really weak. Get your ass back out on the road and let’s hear more about banging hot exotics. Nobody gives a fuck about your opinions on film, and revealing that you can’t deliver an orgasm after all the practice you’ve had is… kind of pitiful.
Maggie is no supermodel, but still very cute. I’d hit it, and if you say you wouldn’t, you’re a liar.
So roosh you saying that with your stupendous powers of clairvoyance you know what’s going to happen in 6 months but you can’t focus those abilities to figure out if a girl you’re banging has an orgasm? Get your money back from the superpower store son, ’cause you need the cash on top of the foodstamps.
I was disappointed in the lack of nudity.
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Shorter version of Roosh’s post and many of the comments: My tastes are superior because I don’t like a movie that is very popular. If its not a foreign indie film with subtitles then it isn’t good enough for my enlightened mind. Living in your dad’s basement is cool.
While I can understand honest “film” criticisms in terms of plot character development etc. I still don’t see how even the most casual action, fantasy or comic book fan doesn’t enjoy this movie. If this movie “sucked” what word is left to describe “Catwoman” or “Daredevil”?
There’s really no reason to rain on the DK parade.
This reeks of “2cool4theroomism”.
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My tastes are superior because I don’t like a movie that is very popular. If its not a foreign indie film with subtitles then it isn’t good enough for my enlightened mind.
I guess Roosh is now emphasizing the whiter people side of his Persian ancestry…
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i agree 100% with roosh. as a diehard fan of batman, i had friends and family raving about how the movie was “thrilling,” “one of the best movies ever made,” “scary as hell,” so i went in with the hopes of having a transcending experience. instead from the opening parking garage fight scene i knew something was wrong. it seems as if they were inspired by spiderman 3 and tried to cram as much as they could into 2.5 hours. only the joker’s scenes saved this movie.
On a whole, your post have really been horrible as of late.
Get back on track man, and STOP out sourcing the only decent matter to other sites or your “newsletter.”
its a dam movie my god! DF your an equally bitter bastard so get a life.
The only thing I agree with was the gross miscasting of MG as Rachel and how Donnie Darko is a hot mess.
Beyond that, to each their own, I suppose.
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I don’t remember the last time a movie that began as a comic strip was supposed to be flawlessly believable. But this sure as hell did a better job than, say, Superman or Spiderman. If you dislike comic book movies in general, that’s another thing entirely — but as they go, this one was fucking amazing. $300 billion in week 1 revenues hardly lies.
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The trouble with Joker is that you can’t figure him out. Debating the workings of his mind is like trying to explain the theory of Schrodinger’s Cat to a group of dyslexic teenagers. It would be like trying to wind the peel back onto the apple; apropos because the Joker’s mind has unraveled.
Arguing the Major points:
1) Gotham has always been modeled after New York (albeit a dark and gritty version). The word “Gotham” is a nickname for New York. Buy a dictionary before spouting off. Familiarize yourself with our language.
2) Plate armor can stop a bullet but can do very little against a knife. The full armor that Batman wears makes dealing with dogs (quicker, stronger and bulkier than humans) and nets (inanimate objects) difficult to deal with. Familiarize yourself with basic physics.
3) See above. He’s crazy. You can’t figure it out. That doesn’t make it stupid.
4) There is no sacrifice that Gordon was in on (he wasn’t the commissioner at that point – familiarize yourself with the characters). Joker anticipated Batman’s choice of saving the girl. And how telling is it that the Dark Knight would rather save his lady love than someone that is really trying to help improve the city. Batman chose poorly.
5) You rooted for the Joker. Did you also root for Satan in “Passion of the Christ”? I don’t know what point you’re trying to make, Hitler.
6) I think the expression you’re trying to muster is “heart of gold”. Whatever you’re trying to say here you have a brain of oatmeal. When the chips are down we’re all base animals that would sell our mothers for a chance to save our own skins. That’s the point the Joker was trying to make. He might be wrong, but you and I know he isn’t.
Now the minor, but no less ignorant, points:
1) I really don’t know how to respond. I think you were dumped a lot in high school.
2) The persona of Two Face was foreshadowed when Harvey was flipping the coin to kill the man in the alley. It was long before his transformation. Where you asleep during this part? Also, Harvey only refused skin grafts, not medicine. It’s possible that the doctors were able to sneak in some penicillin to treat his…brain infection that you’re so concerned about. Plus, we’re talking about a movie with a guy in tights kicking ass. You can’t suspend your disbelief a little bit to include infections? Or…do you really believe there’s a Batman out there?
3) Sorry the movie industry leaves an ambiguous ending because they want sequel money. How dare they? I mean…they usually make movies out the kindness of their heart. Some philanthropic need to better mankind with explosions and nudity. People like you wandered out of Empire Strikes Back bitching about the same thing and history regards that as the best of the original trilogy.
This is all my opinion of course. Like the one I have about you being an idiot. I could be wrong.
It’s funny that people are split worse than the Presidential race. Amzing how you can make blood boil by saying a movie sucked. I was entertained, I do not have to have everything accurate when watching a comic book movie. That’s absurd just like the guys who complain about how the use of a lightsaber was totally incorrect, yet be ok with a 900 year old green muppet lifting a huge spacecraft out of the bog with his mind. I liked that they played the movie in real life. It made it feel almost possible. Two face and the subplot with the ferry were the duds. They should have had the “good” people panic, hit the button because they were afriad the “bad” guys would do it, but instead the joker gave them the trigger for their own boat, causing them to commit suicide instead.
Seriously though, the story has got holes in it, but its a fucking comics, for fucks sake. The execution was good, imho.
“So it should surprise no one that Batman fanboys have obsessively promoted The Dark Knight to the top of the IMDB 250, the website’s ranking of users highest rated movies.”
I think a couple of them have found their way here
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I am so confused. I followed a link from another blog and all I got was a poorly-photoshopped picture of some skinny dork complaining that the Batman movie wasn’t *realistic* enough. And on the main page he claims to have written a book about sex?
Sex with *girls*!?!
Talk about unrealistic.
You’re a freaking retard. BATMAN is fiction. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? EVERYTHING TO BE GODDAMN FACTUAL? you make me laugh.
Some posters are missing the point. The movie was entertaining, but nothing to cream in your pants about. Its the sheep mentality, “gotta see this cause everyone else did” thing. Then when you see it you really can’t understand what the big deal is/was. Why was this movie so hyped? That’s the question here. Why did it break record level box office sales (that’s my understanding)? It was ok, but c’mon. Ledger’s death probably had something to do with it.
This has been said before, but I’ll say it again– it’s a movie about a comic book, dude, it’s not Citizen Kane. :)
It’s well within your rights as an American to watch and like it or not watch it and not like it or any combination of both.
I say, if this movie helped one person forget about their crappy job or their crappy wife or the crappy economy for 2 hours, it was worth it.
This movie, for better or worse, will NOT be forgotten in six months, but that will be due to the untimely death of Heath Ledger. For comparison, I thought Nirvana was an average melodic pop-punk band at best, but Kurt’s death has everyone thinking they were the second coming of the Beatles or something.
So, to sum up–not everyone likes everything, but it’s okay.
Totally agree with every criticism you had.
This has been said before, but I’ll say it again– it’s a movie about a comic book, dude, it’s not Citizen Kane. :)
Someone needs to remind THE MAKERS OF THE FREAKING MOVIE that exact same thing. The makers and fans of this movie want to have their cake and eat it too. They keep claiming this movie is great because it’s “realistic” and a cinematic mature tour de force on par with any dramatic nonsuperhero movie, but once someone accepts those claims and criticizes it by the standards of a realistic or tour de force movie, they turn around and complain that it’s just a comic book movie and is not meant to be realistic.
Give me a break.
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I agree with Tersh. This movie wasn’t bad at all, but I liked Jack Nicholson better as the Joker. As for the person who started this post, I’m sorry you didn’t like the Dark Knight. It’s not for everyone. But then, what is? If you preferred the version with Keaton/Nicholson, stick with that, then. Or whatever. But personally, if I don’t care for a film, I don’t go on message boards on the internet, and bash it to people who did like it. I simply just dismiss it, and move on, and never watch, or even think about it again.
DF’s #8 comment is perfect. Debating the logic or reason of a story about a grown man who kicks people’s asses while wearing a bat costume is a pointless exercise in futility.
Any chick who has consensual sex with a dude all the while knowing that said dude publishes blog posts about “Two-Face’s forced transformation” deserves exactly what she gets.
DF’s #8 comment is perfect. Debating the logic or reason of a story about a grown man who kicks people’s asses while wearing a bat costume is a pointless exercise in futility.
So is trying to make an ultraserious “realistic” character study of psychosis with that same character, yet fanboys rave about this movie for that reason.
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It’s based on a comic. Of course a lot of thing won’t be real. If you had a problem with Two-face’s face not becoming infected, then you should have a problem with a vigilante who dresses up as a bat, since that’s not “real life” as well. Neither is Gotham City you know.
This movie was a huge disappointment. It IS full of plot holes, and if you are one of those people who say that this fact doesn’t matter, then I guess we all know what kind of shallow movies you like…
Okay now I have seen the movie and I have two issues with it. 1, I love Maggie G and can’t see why they made her look so ugly. In this day and age there is no reason they could not have covered her puffy undereyes. 1a, giant fake tits do not belong on ballerinas. 2, Batman is so nice, he’s so nice, he’s such a nice guy….until he RIPS the head off the dog and throws another 3 to their deaths. Why is it so easy to kill the dogs and not any people, including the Joker who killed the woman he loves? What an asshole. 2a, that fake voice also makes him an asshole.
Other than that, it was entertaining. I like when Batman is dark and not a comedy.
The movie’s really awesome. It appeals mostly to your emotions, not the logic. If you wanna watch a movie with absolutely realistic story & then sit around & search for plot-holes in it, then why go to a comic-based film? I wonder why didn’t you mention that a Batman costume wouldn’t actually work in real life… Oh, come on!
Clearly you have awesome points, but I really loved Heath Ledger’s depiction. The most believable and gritty character in a long time, albeit some of his script was unbelievable.
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“The Dark Knight” is currently the third best movie of all time according to IMDB. And I agree.
All of these minor problems are just you saying what is ‘unlikely’. Cinema,and really just any story in general is about people doing amazing things. If you take away the the fantastic element then it gets boring. For example, everyone loved the Joker’s ability to stab a pencil into a table and then through the eye socket of some street tough. It’s never been done before, it seems ridiculous. That’s why people loved it. The source material they were using, namely the comics, have the same things going on. The Joker’s rabid aggression against Batman’s martial arts..
5. It’s Batman’s rule. He doesn’t kill people. He doesn’t make judgments about who deserves to live and die, it’s the difference between vigilante and serial killer. It’s a continuous theme in most of the comics and the movie. If you want a hardcore murderous batman you should read Frank Miller’s “The Dark Knight Returns”
6. Would the movie have been better if the criminals wanted to kill the other boat? And the citizens had the higher moral standards? No, realism and predictability means bad movies alll the time.
1. Is Rachel the smart, educated attorney, who is able to show a degree of emotional maturity and still attract men a bad influence on young girls? Really? Should they have cast someone with nicer tits? Maybe an Ally McBeal type character. Even among fans of The Dark Knight, I’m pretty much alone in saying I liked Maggie Gyllenhal.
2. Two-Face was used to give the story an emotional arc. The Joker was meant to be a reoccurring character. There were so many lines that implied constant antagonism between Batman and Joker. Of course, Heath Ledger somehow managed to get out of his contract. Two-Face is not a super villain in the movie. He’s not even really called “two-face” as a character name. He’s just a symbol. It shows how Batman’s pragmatism wins out against Dent’s idealism. You can’t be a perfect person in an imperfect world.
3. Changes in the Dark Knight
-Harvey Dent’s fall from grace
-The bat signal is destroyed. Batman’s hunted by the police now.
-Batman truly explores what it is to be a hero. He learns it’s not about doing the right or honourable thing. It’s about doing the best thing for everyone. The fist movie is about Bruce Wayne deciding to be Batman, the second movie is about him learning what that means. Just because you couldn’t see a clear visual change of him dressing up like a bat, it doesn’t mean the character didn’t change.
Lots of good movies have no clear resolution. The best movies of all the time. Let me just check IMDB’s list….
The Empire Strikes Back – Definetely no resolution by the end. So much is left hanging, because it’s part of a larger story, like Batman. Yet it’s often called the best of the series.
Citizen Kane – The ending is pretty open-ended. I still don’t really know what happened.
Gone with the Wind – He just leaves her at the end. And then she vows to get him back. And that’s it.
REASONS PEOPLE CAN’T HANDLE BATMAN AS AN AMAZING MOVIE
1. It’s a superhero movie. For some reason the fact that these guys dress up in tights and give themselves ridiculous names destroys all their credibility. The truth is it’s an amazing way to present archetypes, themes, and social commentary.
Watchmen is in TIME’s 100 best novels of all time, and it’s a superhero comic
2. Heath Ledger. Smart people are afraid to say Heath Ledger’s joker was amazing, because it’s been so blown up and publicized that it makes them seem like all the idiots who say it. But the truth is, though people exaggerate how great he was, they’re actually bang on. He thought up that Joker, and he could have been so lame. When I heard they cast Heath Ledger I was so disappointed. But, this is a rare case where he actually deserves all the pity praise he’s getting for having died.
3. It was entertaining. People seem to think that if the action’s good, it was fun, and there are awesome explosions then it can’t be a good movie. There have been great movies that were made for next to nothing. But nobody should hold the fact that The Dark Knight had a studio budget against it.
It wasn’t the worst way to waste money, but I agree with Roosh except when it comes to Maggie Gyllenhall. To the poster that said Gyllenhall is fugley… please… send me a first class ticket to your reality as soon as possible.
I agree with you Roosh.
Finally, someone who has the guts to speak the truth about one of the lamest, most forgettable movies I’ve ever seen. Problems: I didn’t care about any of the characters; Batman was dull; Ledger’s Joker wasn’t anything special (Jack was better) – he wasn’t even menacing (when he entered a room, it was about as scary as watching a gerbil enter); it was too long and confusing and pointless; Gordon was miscast; etc. etc. etc. WOW, did I waste my money on that stinker! I nearly walked out of it about half way through. I did stay to the end, hoping that something would redeem the thing, but it only got dumber and unnecessarily longer. I was actually embarrassed to be seen leaving a mishmash, overhyped movie like that. All I could think about was how a silly movie suddenly becomes a great movie if a lead character happens to be dead. The only superhero movie I’ve seen that was worse was the Fantastic Four. Thanks, Roosh, for speaking the truth, even if it’s unpopular to do so. It’s over a year later, and it bothers me that I still want my money back.
I am glad to see someone agree that the dark knight is overrated. The only reason the movie was a success was because Ledger died. The portrayal of the joker was terrible. How did the Joker come to be, and why did he pick out batman. In the comics Joker character was much more poetic, if Batman was not around there would be no Joker. Which is what makes the Joker an amazing villian.
I thoroughly enjoyed the first movie, though I felt that the Dark Knight was a travesty of wasted potential, with its paper thin, predictable plot that was marred by numerous holes. Action over substance, which is all too common these days. Yet people still eat it up in droves. Pathetic.
Also, Batman basically took a second seat to the Joker during the entire movie, and Batman’s progression as a character was non existent, not to mention the fact that Bale’s performance was almost laughable in some scenes, with his overly guttural voice, which, thankfully, wasn’t used to such extreme’s in the first movie.
For the record, the Dark Knight was the second most disappointing movie ever made. (GI Joe Rise of Cobra was worse.)
The ending was such a cop out. it ruined the the entire movie.
If you ask me, Mystery Men, and ORgazmo were better movies than this POS.
A lot of good points. Although, I disagree about Maggie being annoying or bitchy or whatever word you use. It also doesn’t do anything to strengthen your point.
I also don’t understand why the death of Maggie scene seems to be SO confusing to SO many people. The Joker gave the wrong address on purpose.
Now, why that resulted in Harvey’s hatred of Batman makes no sense.
As you state, MOST of the film made no sense. There was really ZERO consideration taken for logical steps in the plot OR in Joker’s big plan. So many contrivances had to occur in order for Joker’s plan to work, that only a villain who’d read the script first would be able to know how ANYthing turned out.
I have to agree. with a batman movie this ridiculously long and complicated, I can see why its hard to watch, let along rewatch. The points brought up are actually big problems I had with the movie. in the first batman with jack Nicholson, batman not ONLY beat the crud outta him, but then joker, with a teeny bit of help from batman, sent him to his much deserved death. in TDK, not only does joker commit lots of terrible deaths and crimes, but HE winds up beating up batman, and then he surivives! batman shoulda just killed him, whether or not he tried to make him kill. it woulda made batman more human. the movie itself aside from being way to complicated for a movie of this kind and trying so hard NOT to be a comic book movie, just isn’t fun. jack as joker w as dark too but in a way that you could laugh with him and his bad jokes and puns. this movie is ultra serious and I cant expect I will watch this movie again. batman in “batman forever” grew as a person from the beginning to the end. he went from HAVEING to be batman to WANTING to be batman. huge character development. in this movie, he doesn’t grow at all. instead he actually runs away from his problems. I must also agree, maggi G has got to be the fugliest batman actress EVER. glad she died.