The Decline Of American Women

I got a short email the other week that contained a Youtube clip. I was ready to watch it for a few seconds before moving on, but I became mesmerized at what I saw. I viewed it just not just once but two additional times, and every couple of days since. Here it is…

Pretty but not plastic, flirtatious but not easy, wholesome but not prudish, feminine but not artificial, serious but not angry, energetic but not grating, natural but not boring, thin and curvy and provocative without tattoos, stretched ear lobes, and shaved haircuts.

Nostalgia for the past is rejection of the present. It’s a sign you’re unable to cope with change and the inevitability of progress, for nothing in the world remains static. It’s very possible that had we all lived in 1969, we would have ached for another era, but I can unequivocally state that I would be happier if I had access to the women in the music video. I can also state that you would also have been happier. No 50 Shades obsessed slut can begin to compete with a woman who can give an abundance of value besides the hole between her legs.

I say this knowing that women from the past were not easy. I know I could not have banged them on the same night. I know that I would have had to invest in them and to reason with their parents to approve of me. These are things that I would—then or now—eagerly do in order to have quality that is simply becoming too hard to find in the country that America has become. It’s a strange thing, if you think about it, that if today is the easiest time to have sex, why are men still discontent? Why isn’t sex on demand with fuck buddies making us happy? Why do we complain about sluts, iPhones, Facebook, and the like, tools which have no doubt increased our notch count? Why is there a nagging feeling in the back our mind that something isn’t right?

The reason is because quantity of sex is only one factor in constituting the happiness of a man, and it’s not a very strong one. Considering that you are awake for over 100 hours a week, how much of that is actually ideal to be spent engaged in sex thrusting? Even if it was a super-human ten hours a week, quantity without accompanying quality pleases a man far less than quality without quantity. I’ve had sex with many feminine women in Eastern Europe, and I can assure you that sleeping with just one of them surpasses sleeping with ten American or Scandinavian sluts who let me smash within the second hour of meeting them.

Quantity will never trump quality, and quality is simply what we lack today in America. We have easier women who are women in genetics only, who can’t even compare with what has awed me in a grainy music video. The women of America today are not feminine, pleasing, sensual, or even interesting, no matter how many marketing and women’s studies classes they’ve taken. They are vaginas, existing solely for an alcohol-fueled pump that is wholly separate from emotion or human feeling. The sad part is that multitudes of men today are clawing at each other, cockblocking each other, putting their own gender on the chopping block and white knighting against their neighbor for a mere chance at the beasts that our culture has produced. We’ve sold out our own kind for a new type of woman that is shamefully clueless on how to please men.

What do we gain in intimacy with the modern American woman? What benefit is added to our character for learning how to jump through hoops for surreal porn sex with a girl who has been brainwashed to believe that women should no longer act like women and that you are the enemy? Choking her and calling her a slut in bed is no different than entertaining yourself with an action movie that is not even worth a second viewing, and every time you do so, thinking that making her gag on your cock is what makes you content, you have unwittingly plugged yourself into the feminist matrix. You strengthen their cause as you dehumanize sex and make it meaningless and insignificant, well removed from its biological and bonding purposes. I must admit that I have done more than my share in helping feminism by increasing the dating options of average girls as I send hordes of men to approach them in the bar and club. Am I not the ultimate traitor to my gender if the result of my work raises the collective ego of low quality women, making them all feel like they’re the princess of the ball? Am I not making it harder for a man of an average station to get his slice of the pie?

If today is the best time for women in terms of having freedom to do whatever they want while simultaneously controlling the behavior of men via misandric protests and laws, then it can not also be the best time for men, for gender balance is a zero sum affair where the gains of one is the decline of the other. No, the best time for men, in terms of fulfillment with women, has long since passed, and all we can do today—in fact, what we are forced to do today—is to go against our nature and be aloof players and approach robots in order to get sexual intercourse, a very basic feature of human life since time eternal, in between grinding away our lives in front of glowing computer screens and smartphones as we make our masters proud, hoping to feel just 1% of the masculinity that men of the past felt.

When I watched that music video, I initially felt happiness that there was a time in America where women were my ideal, but then I felt sadness for everything it has lost, for everything that we will never get back again, and it all makes complete sense why I’ve rejected my own country. It makes sense why I’ve spent so much time in South America and Eastern Europe, especially the latter, where women of that video can still be found right in the supermarket, the cafe, the town square, the bookstore, the nightclub, and the shopping mall just a quarter mile away from where I write this, and my sadness moves away from my own bizarre fate to those men who aren’t that different from me, still stuck in America, suffering gladly because of ignorance and manipulation. I hope they realize what I’ve realized and have the ability to choose as I have, and one day when they’re on an airplane flying from their homeland, they can look down through the clouds and say God Bless America for the greatness it has achieved in its short existence, yet accept what I’ve long since accepted, that America was once great for men, but no more.

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  • Tampa

    What is even more amazing about the current day American woman is that the act or persona she is carrying is actually hurting her ability to procreate and raise a healthy and happy family.

    I still can’t get over how women have their first baby at 36 and how nobody thinks that is totaly insane. My mom had 4 kids by 30 and says she couldn’t imagine trying to run around the living room chasing a toddler at the age of 40. I’m sitting there talking to this super hot chick i’ve been dating regularly….and she asks me what i want in a woman. I gave her the list.

    1.) Thin and feminine
    2.) The potential to be a good mother to my children
    3.) Can keep and sustain a clean and orderly house
    4.) Is pleasing and a giver in bed.
    5.)
    6.)
    7.)
    8.)
    9.)
    10.) Is smart and has a good job.

    She looked at me like I was crazy. I said “if you had to post a vacancy for a job and the job was “mother, wife, companion” what would your top traits be? Smarts, Sass, Sarcastic and FUN…

    Wome are idiots. They don’t even realize how easy men are. Stay thin and in-shape, feed me, sex Me and take care of the kids with a smile and I’ll give you whatever you want, whenever you want it. A man will literally empty his wallet for such a woman. Why? Because they are really hard to find these days.

  • a triumph

    the entire last paragraph gave me goose bumps. It’s been years since that happened to me through reading.

    whereever you are, with whom ever you are, it works for your writing.

  • External

    An article like this with similar sentiment, even one softened and toned down to be less “offensive”, would never appear in any mainstream source (occasionally you’ll see something vaguely similar written by a woman). Yet we see endless “decline of men” articles.

    Why? For one, it seems that women are so thin-skinned they can’t handle ANY criticism about their kind. Can’t critique single-motherhood, can’t critique feminism, but not just criticism, anything even mildly unflattering about the state of women. And good point about men enabling modern women. We have white knights and manginas supplicating, and we also have alphas shitting on other men. Not much to do about that, it’s part and parcel of civilization and penis/vagina.

    We hold women less accountable for their actions, obviously because of vagina, but also because – and this is offensive – we expect less from them.

    I enjoy a woman for more than just sex. A sweet, feminine woman can be delightful to be around. I used the word delightful. Anything, from putting your arm around her while watching a movie, her cuddling into you, going to a museum, eating at a diner, talking, laughing, whatever. I’ve had those great moments with women in my life, even in America, but most modern women have some variation of the StrongEmpoweredIndependent chip on her shoulder, and it almost always comes from a place of insecurity.

  • Laguna Beach Fogey

    Excellent post.

    For some of us, the decline in the American female literally has occurred before our eyes. It’s a gloomy thought, but there it is.

    As Roissy recently said, success with women can bring discontent and disillusionment. I believe you have reached that point, in fact gone beyond it, as many of us have before you.

    There is more to life than endless rutting.

    P.S. Fuck Amerika

  • JL02

    No doubt that feminism is the common enemy of all men, from omegas to betas to alphas to married religious patriarchs.

    But TS Eliot said there are no lost causes because there are no gained causes – and I think he’s right. Everything has a price, everything is a trade-off, everything has an opportunity cost. The question remains that Aristotle asked: how should we live our lives in accordance with that which is good? Goodness, not “happiness” – whatever the hell that means – is what counts.

  • http://going-galt.org John Galt

    Some of the most beautiful writing i have experienced in a long time, my compliments. Nothing that could be written in a comment could do anything but diminish your piece as it stands on its own. We live in the darkness out of circumstance so that the future will notice the light.

    My only comment about when you wrote, “Nostalgia for the past is rejection of the present. It’s a sign you’re unable to cope with change and the inevitability of progress, for nothing in the world static.”

    Sometimes progress isn’t.

  • External

    About the StrongEmpoweredIndependent chip American women have. That’s their frame and they want a man to dismantle it piece by piece to get to their TRUE soft, feminine core, if it even still exists somewhere buried in the depths. Most of the time it does. They want to submit. “Submit”, which doesn’t mean being a pushover, doormat, and a servant, it means they can stop competing, being combative, and seeing you as the enemy to beta-ize into oblivion.

    To deal with American women, a man needs a frame made out of titanium to withstand the endless shit tests, which for many men is not worth the effort and hassle, which is why they’re dropping out or leaving the country if possible.

    All throughout their lives, American men receive an endless barrage against their masculine frame, not just from individual women, but from society as well, particularly television, which is poison for men and is only worth watching occasionally (I watched the recent Surivorman episodes).

    Be an unapologetic, guilt-free men. Liberate yourself from the female imperative. You don’t owe ‘women’ a god damn thing. Be there for the women in your life, the women you choose to do things for because you enjoy it and not out of any white knight obligation, guilt, or shame.

  • http://CynLibSoc.com The Great One, Himself

    I live in a college town surrounded by women under 30 and I too find them for the most part unattractive as hell. Not only is it the tattoos and giant ears and shaved skulls, not only is it the political agenda of hating men while believe they are at the centre of the entitlement universe, not only is it their complete inability to have a conversation about anything other than Facebook . . .

    A good 50% of all the women (and men for that matter) I know who are under 30 are on some form of medication to “fix” their personalities.

    The American woman is becoming more and more broken every day and they go to great and greater lengths to fix their brokenness. What they don’t realize is that the answer isn’t more ink, more holes, less hair and more drugs. It’s less ink, less holes, more hair, less drugs coupled with an education and interest in things that matter, things of substance.

  • Tom the Bawm

    How ironic that they’re dancing seductively to a song about sugary candy. Portends things to come.

  • http://www.raulfelix.com Raul Felix

    You need to check out Israeli women. They are very feminine, beautiful, and have real family values instilled in them without being religious nuts.

  • Praetor

    Your words and imagery remind me of Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World”, one that we are briskly entering today with no sign of remorselessness. Great read Roosh.

  • sj

    Which is why I would much rather travel to South America and Eastern Europe and bang ONE hot feminine woman than 1000 garbage American women.

  • http://alphaisassumed.wordpress.com Martel

    This post describes what’s wrong with America better than 99% of the commentary from the left and more than 95% of what comes from the right. It’s factual and touching. Great work.

    I recommend that every one of us do whatever we can to pass this along, even to females if you think one of them is reachable. This goes to the heart of why men are going Galt, why we’d rather play video games and whack off than put up with this shit.

    I’ve been with two women who’ve been feminine in the way you describe (neither an American). After that, I went sorely beta for a few years, but I was creeping back out and doing two women simultaneously.

    It then hit me that both of the bored the crap out of me. I didn’t care what they had to say. The way I could dominate them was purely predictable. The sex felt like a transaction. I then slipped back and became a near omega.

    I’m stuck here for the time being, and as I learn game I feel ambivalent. Yes, she’s hot, banging her would be great. But I also know she’ll bore me. She doesn’t have IT, and almost no woman here does.

    Indeed, Roosh. Something is very wrong. Thanks for describing it so well.

  • BB

    The change in phenotype is so striking, that it calls for a scientific explanation. How could so many changes have come about in a generation? Women as late as the late 70´s and the early 80´s weren´t as ugly as today (I´m 45 and I remember well). It´s not only obesity that´s soared, it´s also mannish features, myopia (from 10% to 50& in one generation!), bad character, etc.
    Perhaps Gregory Cochran from http://westhunt.wordpress.com/ should look into this!
    The epidemic has hit nearly every western country, except France . Southern Europe and the Balkans are still largely untouched.

  • go banana

    nice post.

    just wanted to add: it’s great if you watch the “sugar sugar” video muted to the audio of this one

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu7acQTlaC0

  • John Galt2

    Quite possibly the only improvement for women since this video was made is the elimination of the untamed bush.

  • Anonymous

    The video brings back fond and unfortunately forgotten memories from my teenage years. I’ve been so inured by modern Wymn that I completely forgot what true femininity is like. Alas, we may likely never see that type of woman in America in our lifetimes.

    Great video, great article. How I long for the sixties and seventies!

  • http://alphaisassumed.wordpress.com Martel

    @BB I haven’t seen any studies to this effect, but I almost wonder if culture can affect individual hormones. If, as a girl, you’re continually told to be more like a boy, and that’s what you try to do, would that perhaps inspire your body to produce more testosterone?

    Likewise, with males. I live in a college town, and it amazes me how damn near every guy I encounter strikes me as gay. They HAVE to have an excess of estrogen or something. It’s almost creepy.

  • http://AroundtheWorldin80Jobs.com Turner

    I have been in a daze like this for the past few weeks as I have recently started watching Mad Men. Makes me wish I was born in a different era.

  • BB

    “Quite possibly the only improvement for women since this video was made is the elimination of the untamed bush”

    I also miss natural bushes! What the hell happened during the last ten years? Did everybody turn paedo or what?

  • John Galt2

    Sorry BB, you can take your thicket of wilderness, I will stick to my landing strip. Over and out.

  • Anonymous

    The music video is from the BBC’s “Top of the Pops” so the girls are probably mainly Londoners.

  • http://pungeon.blogspot.com LS

    Excellent post. Everyone has theories why things have become what they are. Bad culture/toxic media environment, diet, pharmaceuticals, bad schools, etc.
    Could there be any one thing that might have countered all the above to prevent women from turning out unfeminine and worthless?
    If you said “parents who gave a shit about raising someone with character,” I wouldn’t disagree.

  • Wool Suit

    Just printed out a dozen copies of this and left them sitting on a few tables in Harvard Yard. Who knows what effect that will have, if any?

    Either way, this is the best article about American women and today’s society I’ve seen on the Internet. Period. Bar none. You knocked it out of the park here, Roosh. A complete encapsulation of the zeitgeist behind so many of us refusing to even consider touching those wildebeests we see each and every day.

    Bravo. Bravfuckingo.

  • http://alphaisassumed.wordpress.com Martel

    Love it, Wool Suit!

    Roosh predicted recently that this year the Manosphere will go mainstream. If it does, it will be this sort of post (and Wool Suit’s sort of reaction to it) that will bring it there.

  • pete

    You’re a genius roosh. Love your work. Keep doing your thing. You say what many of us think. :-) Your friend, Peter

  • SadieB

    Soooo….10 years of catting around on 5 continents & still it seems you haven’t found a foreign woman worthy of you either.

    I call bullshit. The problem lies within.

  • http://pungeon.blogspot.com LS

    “She came back a year later and she had changed astronomically. She was between chubby and fat, was wearing jeans and trainers [sneakers] with the big tongues hanging out, her hair was just hanging down and she was right into herself in a way she had never been whilst in Russia.
    It wasn’t just what American culture had done to her, it was what American culture had done to a Russian female. There are many American females who are not obese and gobby – they’ve grown up in the culture and have negotiated it.”

    http://nourishingobscurity.com/2012/12/19/the-womb-drain/

  • Soup

    Amazing post.

    This sums up how I feel in so many ways.

    I’ve definitely been going through the five stages of grief with regard to women in America and the fantasy.

    Denial – being beta or relapsing into oneitis etc.
    Anger
    Bargaining – large notch count with hope that I’m building towards higher quality
    Depression – seeing that’s not really happening (maybe in the future?)
    Acceptance – accepting my limitations and relaxing into the game frame.

  • CruisenChubby

    Sadie- Would you eat a turd if it were free?

  • http://gameforomegas.wordpress.com Omega Man

    These girls are in 60’s mod clothes but culturally they are still in the 50’s. The negative aspects of 60’s culture- basically do whatever you feel like and screw everybody else- didn’t become mainstream until the 70’s. As they have penetrated society more and more, things have gotten worse and worse.

    Traditional society works best for almost everyone.

  • anonymous

    I like salad.

  • Nostalgia Massa

    Long time reader here Roosh.

    There are some that were worried when you first set out for Europe a year and a half ago. Many thought that you bringing game to Eastern Europe would accelerate feminism in EE. Any thoughts on this?

  • Days of Broken Arrows

    Wow, it’s so funny you would post this today. Just earlier I was looking at an old clip of the Beach Boys playing on the Mall in DC in 1980. My first thought was “Wow, women were hotter back then.”

    That says something because of older generations, women from the past used to look horrific by comparison.

    If you’re interested in the Beach Boys clip it’s from the 4th of July 1980 and it’s on YouTube. Opens with a shot of a real cute girl with a hat.

  • http://www.aroundtheworldin80girls.com Neil Skywalker

    I don’t think it has been said but nice song also.

  • Winston

    If ever there was a post that deserved a standing ovation, this is it.

  • Jordan

    Great post!

  • Anonymous

    @BB, France has not been untouched. Believe me. When I was there in late 2010 almost all of the conversation I had with older women had to do with how Fed up things have become over there.

  • Kiwi

    Epic Post.
    Must say I enjoy these posts much more than some of your “Bubble-Gum” game posts…..but I realise you make a living out of this so need to cover all bases in writing.
    But being compared to A.Huxley by one commenter – that’s a big ass compliment you should be proud of.

  • Enzo

    I hate to undermine the premise here, but the women look European to me. I don’t think this is from an American show.

  • http://alphaisassumed.wordpress.com Martel

    This post also proves that there’s more to the manosphere than pussy and anger about divorce.

    I’ve gotten glimpses of it before, but this proves I’m not the only guy who’s lied in bed after sex, thinking, “Is this it?” There’s still a rush when I get the first kiss, when I first feel the wet with my finger, that first thrust inside, and there always will be.

    But I know that there’s supposed to be more to her than that. It’s not about pedastalization, it’s about humanity. We’re primates, but we’re more than that if we choose to be, and that’s what we’re supposed to choose.

    Women just want to be cumbuckets in denial about it. I’ll comply because if I don’t I’ll be celibate, but I’m not happy about it.

  • http://yousowould.wordpress.com YouSoWould

    Poignant, and strikes a chord. I’ve recently just come to the realisation that I simply do not find western women attractive any more. Their arrogance, sense of entitlement and competitive natures repulse me. And once you scrape beneath the scum floating on the surface of their minds, there is usually nothing underneath. No depth, no real personality, no soul.

    As soon as I manage to secure my financial independence, I shall be following in your footsteps out of the Anglosphere, to perhaps find the wife that the tiny remaining nugget of my beta core still hopes to cherish one day.

  • Rafael

    I agree, Roosh. Any pussy you can get is not as exciting as meeting a girl of quality, intelligent, confident, with a good humor.

  • Bobby

    The women in the video, while attractive, were the vaguard of today’s masculine women. They promoted feminism and pushed hard for the laws that form the foundation for the divorce and child theft industry. They also burned their bras and raised hardcore feminists, and effette manginas, and indoctrinated Western society in the ways of the Marxist Feminist Collective.

  • Frederique

    @14… wtf? ESPECIALLY France has been touched by the feminism thing. What area of France are u talking about?

    @roosh. I KNOW you are right, but I talked to so many “ladiesmen”, and they say it’s just my own perception. Girls are normal and easy going if you let them be and when they see your masculine inside. They behave manly because of the creepers and players that hit on them all the time. I don’t know what to do with this statement, do you?

  • Spartacus

    Being 45 years old, I was privy to the last generation of “real” women in this Country- but what I saw in that video I ache for in todays America. I never married, had children and have absolutely NO FEAR of dying alone. I’m a serial monogamous dater of women 10-15 Years my junior who think I’m lucky to date such “smart and career” oriented women. Can’t remember to last “girl” I dated that didn’t have a Doctoral level education and m’m here to tell you- except in bed- they are awful creatures for the most part… I find myself wanting to date a simple girl from a time long past… But I feel doomed to date the over-educated cum dumpster- The situation in America is very sad indeed.

  • Anonymous

    Sad but true.

    Nonetheless, I like these posts for their complete honesty.

    Keep it going, Roosh.

  • Senior Beta

    A little cynical Roosh, even for you. I remember 1969 well and those are the chicks betas like me lusted after with no chance for reasons you and the ‘sphere gang explain so well. But that year most young guys were focused on not getting their ass shipped to Viet Nam, like I did, or surviving if did they go. Figuring out that feminism led to easy chicks came later. Excellent commentary.

  • Red Pill

    Yep. As a 40’s guy I started dating in the 1980’s and in my view femininity started really trending downwards more rapidly in the late 1990’s. I used to never see girls with tats (even sluts) but now it’s becoming rare that I see one without. Way more fatties these days – of all ages…

    What’s really interesting to me is that the quality of sex and relationships I’m having dropped off a cliff in the mid 2000’s. If I stay over at a woman’s place I rarely get a hot breakfast and if I do you’d think they gave me a kidney. God, the attitudes! I used to look forward to spending time with girlfriends; now when I blast all I can think about is how I wasted an evening of my time “just for that” and “when can I get the hell out of here”.

    Whenever I see a guy who’s married or in a relationship all I think is “better him than me” – even if the chick is super-hot! I cannot even imagine living with today’s woman… I can’t imagine how a guy could do it… Women are intolerable, even more so once you’ve busted.

    I agree with Roosh that the quantity of no-strings sex I am able to have does not make up for the lack of quality experiences, sexual or otherwise. It really is a shame.

    All that said, I don’t think there was a “golden age” of women; they were always hypergamous. The problem is that at this point in time women are just disgusting cunts and totally out of control.

  • There With

    Yea #49, I’m near your age sounds like and I witnessed the change occur myself. Tats are just cheezy now in my opinion also.. I’m in a relationship, but unbeknownst to her as of yet, I will NOT move in with her. I will say this; I’m lucky in that the sex has been intense, long-lasting, evolving continually, and not once bad, always good-to-great and sometimes mind-blowing. She is not the hottest, not the coolest, not the most interesting person, but hits on enough good points to be worth my time. I would say I’m pretty lucky for an American guy, but NOT all that lucky when compared to what’s selectively available overseas.

    I DO agree entirely with Roosh’s sentiment on this no matter how cynical it seems. Its just flat-out the way it is. And one of the funniest things I see occurring are thes cougars and single MILFs who have a mid-life vagina crisis and stawrt acting like the girls that are 18-28 but 30-45 years old. They are in every sense, the most disgusting of all and reason to run.

  • Anonymous

    Roosh, as a 57 year old it hurt to watch that video. I was thinking maybe my view of the past and women being thinner and prettier was just nostalgia. I feel sorry for you guys, I got the best of it ;~)

  • dragnet

    slightly off-topic:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335996/newtown-answers-nro-symposium

    charlotte allen thinks some humans should be bullet fodder for other humans because they have penises.

    apparently, getting rid of traditional roles was all fine and good–until shots are fired.

  • IAmZon

    The best of it only exists in the moment – or so I prefer to believe; not in the past, nor the future. These posts are helpful because they illuminate.

    So, BE ILLUMINATED! Live in the day that you breath and play the hand that God dealt the best possible with unapologetic desire for all of life, and clear mindedness.

    Can this be done in the USA? Increasingly no.

  • hughesshots

    Perhaps we are not in control Roosh. Perhaps governments are inducing changes somehow at the hormonal/chemical level of the past two generations. The quality of men today has also suffered, with all these feminized traits and lack of internal strength that I see in so many guys today.
    Reasons why governments are experimenting with their people could be to reduce aggression in men and bring more stability to society and to promote productivity in woman.
    Experiments will eventually cause problems and hopefully our doctors will create order out of the chaos they create.
    I did my bachelors degree in the US and I left since I didnt see myself staying there, one reason being the poor quality of the pussy there. I also think that Americans are being victims of too many experiments being done on them. Experiments of all sorts. Someone has to pay the price I guess

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  • hughesshots

    In South America and Estern Europe women behave like women but men also behave like men. No surprise

  • Dani

    You are in contradiction, teaching men how to bang bang, and now telling them it’s not good. Maybe it’s time for you to move on. I’m positive there are still fine women in America but as you said you will have to work harder to get them. You’re a good writer, but you are moving in circles, and bipolar…

  • mebus

    From post #14: “The change in phenotype is so striking, that it calls for a scientific explanation. How could so many changes have come about in a generation? … It´s not only obesity that´s soared, it´s also mannish features, myopia (from 10% to 50& in one generation!), bad character, etc.”

    This is absolutely true and enigmatic indeed. As a male from northern europe, I’m seeing females with progressively male features as each generation emerges from puberty (i.e. prominent jaws, wide backs, tall, big hands). What the **** is going on here?

    In addition, #14 rightly questions the soaring disease incidence and prevalence figures and the increasing burden of disease overall in western society. I’m guessing 1 of every 3 people will eventually develop some serious illness in life.

  • T and A Man

    You appear to be in a serene mood again. Back with little egg perhaps?

    Your 6th and 7th paragraphs appear to be a way-marker for MGTOW, and inferring the criticism that PUA/Game still puts pussy on a pedestal.

    Game is still an ‘immature’ science, its evolution is still yet to be played out, probably to a point it won’t be called game as it may diverge so much.

    You can evolve with this if your ego doesn’t force you to anchor to an existing label.

    Overall, well done.

  • http://theprofessorspeaks.wordpress.com E. Reckshin

    great post. written like an artist who just witnessed great despair.

  • http://Alphamission.wordpress.com Alpha Mission

    Well said, Roosh. Well said.

  • Johnny

    BB beat me to it: every woman in that video has an out-of-control bush.

    Sigh… can’t win ’em all.

  • hughesshots

    Roosh I think you need to reprogram yourself a little bit in order to view bitches in a more positive fashion so that it doesn’t reflect in your vibe. I know its hard to go against reality but you know that in order to maintain a positive outlook in life a lot of times with have to fool ourselves. Your confidence is high but be careful about the things that could affect your vibe.

    Also I would consider experimenting with a more manly/serious hairstyle and with a more classy dressing style. And don’t give me the I have to be true to myself bullshit. If you are all about performance like you have said, then you need to leave your fixations behind.

    You are a fucking millionaire and with a crowd following that respects you all over the world. Fix your fucking hairstyle and your dressing style or at least experiment around.
    If you reach a plateau, which I believe you have done, you need to look into things that might be holding you back. You are in search of high quality woman now, so you need a new image perhaps.

    Chasing bangs and looking for a relationship requires different looks in my opinion, so I think you should give it a try. You have a tight game and a strategic mind and you have confidence. But I think your clothing style is weak, step it up a level. My two cents.

  • dw

    It’s simple, many in the western world don’t realize their mortality… Especially women. Birth…aging…death…finite

  • John Galt2

    p.s. – the brunette with long hair in the purple dress is my favorite. Hmmm…”long hair”…”dress”…the modern American woman can’t even get the easy stuff right…

  • Titanium

    Good post. The blonde on the catwalk is cute.

  • masculineffort

    The women in the video are the way Argentine women are today. But you did not like them anyway. You’re confused and do not know what you want just like the women you criticize. Spengler’s law: The women and men of any place or generation deserve each other.

  • http://dominantalpha.com/ Ben

    Yes alot of women definately have a hard time being feminine. Aggressive women really turn me off, they just give off the wrong energy.

    They act like men, cause dramas and bullshit but then when it suits them pull the ‘i’m a girl card’.

    But luckily there still is some feminine women out there and you can find them if you look.

  • Bob

    Is game about trying every bitch in town until one says “yes”? Even my Alzheimer diseased gramps could get a girl that way eventually. What does it have to do with skill?

  • Britreader

    Good read – as a Brit I think our women are quite similar. I started to game women at uni in my 2nd year and whilst I’ve nowhere near the no. of notches most have I have seen a decent sample.

    I was amazed these middle class girls at uni who were “smart and impowered” would let me fuck them raw dog with no second thoughts.

    The only thing that amazed me more was the fact they couldn’t grasp I didn’t want to date them – that actually a woman stressing her entry into a law firm is the opposite of what I wanted.

    That was also a revelation – the feminist propaganda that I’m meant to want a woman with a career etc is bullshit.

    I also remember lying in a slutty girls bed (always the ones to insist condom use…) asking myself if this was it – I’ve, like others here it seems, slipped out of game for a while. I will get back to it but right now the end goal of pussy isn’t enticing.

    Mastery of other things has to come first.

  • crazybrazilian.

    Divine state of literature. Roosh are the best one. his angry for better and better is pushing him far away.

    I’wll recommend to Roosh read Ernst Jünger books, to continue honing his writer skills.

    the lifestyle and mindset of Roosh, Krauser and others of these types, remember-me the description of Ernst Jünger main type so called “third hero”:

    That is why the existential aspect is given priority in Junger’s works, which show an entire gallery of types of the”third hero” (novels “The Steel Storm,” “A Heart in Search for Adventures,” “On Marble Cliffs,” “Escape to the Forest,” “Heliopolis,” etc.), who is following the way of inner Revolution, exploring the most extreme and risky forms – war, mysticism, drugs, erotism, borderland psychic states. Nietzsche’s formula “that which does not kill me, makes me stronger” is Ernst Junger’s credo in literature, as well as in life. Just like his characters, he calmly drinks champagne.

    quote from here.

    ====
    PS: Sry for my bad english and mispelling.

  • meh

    “But I think your clothing style is weak, step it up a level.”

    Yah Rooshipoops, can you please start fagging it up a little more in the wardrobe department? I’d like to see some Dolce + Gabbana t-shirts that cost $300, maybe some open neck to showcase that manly furbeast happy trail going down down down…. Also a gold chain or two, with maybe a coke spoon attached to it, and definitely some jewelry. Oh and I want to see some tight ass Roberto Cavalli fagstravaganza jeans baby, let’s let them guess whether you might like it in the poopinator, it helps attraction evolve. Definitely some leather loafers at $500 a pair, preferably the ones that come to a point in the front like Santa’s elves shoes, but without the curl.
    If all else fails, just go for the Adiddas sweats and gold chain. That will bump up your SMV tremendously, like this fagboy mangina suggests.

  • BB

    About French girls: I´m out of touch here, maybe things have gone south since my last visit 7 years ago. But stil, they´re still more physically atractive than, say German girls?

    On the biological aspect of change: I´d start looking into hormone levels and the universal use of the pill.

  • moses

    I was born in 1970.

    I recall when I was a young kid women would wear white gloves — yes white gloves — to go out and often wore dresses in public. Gender roles were quite defined.

    During the 70s it was a rebellious thing for a woman to wear pants. Feminism and pant-wearing went mainstream.

    The 80s was the decade the “strong independent career woman” appeared and metastasized. Girls in my generation were indoctrinated that they must have a career to be respected and “complete.” “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” bumper stickers appeared.

    The mid/late 90s was the beginning of the celebration of the slut. Five years out of college I was shocked (not to mention pissed off this didn’t happen earlier) to see the revealing clothes that college girls wore.

    The 00s intensified the trends of the preceeding decades, plus saw the rise of “No bad people on TV/movies unless they are white businessmen” and “all husbands fathers are bumbling idiots whereas women never do wrong and always save the day — they are never overly emotional or shrews.”

    I have two female cousins, one 27 and one 30. I am shocked at the unfeminine filth they put on Facebook and how they brag about getting wasted.

    Myself? After figuring out I didn’t in fact desire the power grrrl climbers that I was socialized to want I expatriated to Asia.

    Eventually found myself an Asian Donna Reed — feminine, educated, sweet, giving, loves to cook and take care of the house and her man. I may never bringing her back to the US for fear she will be contaminated. Even my mother tells her fem political agitprop like “Make sure he helps you clean up after you cook!!” Please.

    Expatriate to East Europe, South America or Asia. Women are still women and men are still men in those regions — quite happily I might add.

  • moses

    @49: “If I stay over at a woman’s place I rarely get a hot breakfast and if I do you’d think they gave me a kidney.”

    Lol at that one. My girl cooks breakfast for me every day. I bring home the bacon. It works.

  • Stuki

    American women, at least a fair share of them, still tends to retain some sweetness until around 20, in my experience. Sometimes perhaps 22-23.

    Beyond that, it’s pretty much over. Those few remaining sweet, are long since married and have kids. Why anyone, anywhere, wold even consider bothering investing more than a pump in the remaining banged up old jalopies are beyond me.

    BUT, if any of you incurable gamers could bear spending an hour with a female without attempting to “escalate”, take a 15 yo out for a milkshake. Then you’ll figure out why that age was a fairly common marriage age back in the civilized era. And still is in more civilized parts of the world.

  • slumlord

    @ Dani

    You are in contradiction, teaching men how to bang bang, and now telling them it’s not good.

    The lie is that sexual experience is the ultimate experience of human existence. Don’t get me wrong, it is good but it’s nothing when compared to sublimation in the presence of great art, ideas, music or culture. You probably won’t get it, but seriously, the pleasure is better. No bang can compare.

  • Red Pill

    @75

    That’s cool. My grief is that I will make a breakfast spread at my place with freshly ground hot coffee, and with some of these chicks I’m lucky if I get a bowl of cereal with sour milk. Where is the equality in that? My point is that if I can cook and clean for myself, what do these bitches have to offer other than a vagina? NOTHING! Conversation with a decent looking woman? Please…

    I bring home my own bacon and I cook it in my own pan – in peace.

  • http://dannyfrom504.wordpress.com dannyfrom504

    if you haven’t been, check out Prague. Scotland is great too. go to the bar at uni of edinburgh. i cleaned house.

    i’ve lived in Sicily for 3 years, Japan for 3 years, and Spain for 3 years. when i came back to the US, i wanted nothing to do with american women.

    still don’t. i’ll fuck, but commit….hell no.

  • Sam Spade

    When I got married I was worried I’d miss game and easy (American) lays. However I married a Brazilian, and so I get great, regular sex; home cooking; house cleaning; little to no talk-back; friendly, feminine demeanor; concern for health and figure; someone all my friends and family respect and like. She also shops at thrift stores and doesn’t waste time reading Perez Hilton or US Weekly. So in exchange for my admitted lack of variety, I am at least rewarded with behavior that not only confirms but reinforces my own red pill demeanor. Plus my in-laws live on another continent – not that I mind visiting Rio.

  • Jay

    @74
    First of all great post by Roosh and lots of good comments here

    To Moses, I know what you mean… I’m currently in Asia as well and couldn’t tell you the number of times I’ve cringed at the thought of bringing a girl of mine back to the States- the betas would be drooling(including some of my own extended family), the nasty cunts and their femi-garbage, etc.. Too much.

    Have to say though Roosh, speaking as a traveler, even if US girls were better than they are…I still don’t know if I would take them (as in settle down with one) over an exotic/foreign girl of equal caliber. A lot would depend on the connection and the ability to overcome the cultural differences..

    Ultimately, exoticism and mysteriousness are often the x factor which attraction comes from, which excitement comes from. Too much commonality, regardless of caliber, might dillute the experience. I’ve always been drawn to the mysteriousness of things, and that’s probably why I’ve been travelling(mostly solo, like yourself) all these years. It’s still fun. Everyone is different though.

  • American Women

    What the..? YOU AGAIN??

    Come back just to complain about how horrid we are?

    Oh wait…you’re half Persian. Never mind then. Carry on.

  • Nik

    Someone had mentioned that video was from the BBC “Tops Of The Pops” so yes indeed the women would be Btitish, however Brit and American fashions are almost the same, as well women in the States also looked like the same women as seen in that clip. In fact as an American one cannot help but think Jan and Marcia Brady from “The Brady Bunch” (the early 1970’s USA) would be making an appearence LOL.

    And yes I too give kudos to this post. Well done Roosh!

  • Miles Davis “Ghost”

    @77slumlord

    Look here daddy O; Bminor 7th flat 5 still should move to the Dominant and once she gets there resolve to tonic with a Flat9th then Trane opens with A to F#, it’s still just a major sixth, dig? The Mona Lisa is just paint on a wooden board, dead and non-moving, Holmes. Michelangelo a sausage eater carved out a statue out of marble that can’t shoot up the White Horse or eat pussy, can you dig it, am I coming through? We can always do a second take pops got plenty of tape… Do I have to play Bird’s Bebop scale for you, man? The mind is just the mind nowhere near the spirit; Monk told me that once, felt it round midnight when I was shooting-up.

    Rooshy’s got the right chords changes Daddy O, he’s my main man, the ultimate game for a man is improvising on a riff with a women, now that baby, is alive in the moment and true art. No higher experience needed, can you dig?

  • Santiago

    Also I noticed the dance style of today is different than back in 69. If you see that video I remember thats how they danced back then; it was sexy without being vulgar. Today’s contemporary style consists of hip thrusting, porn actress wannabee style, usually with chicks dancing together in an almost intimate manner; and snubbing any guy who would like to dance with them. What a socially toxic wasteland America has become.

  • Austin

    Brasil is full of the ideal woman depicted here. Especially in Rio.

  • Adam

    NZ girl writes about dating Danish men. She’s got a different opinion about them. The commentary following these articles are worth reading.

    http://cphpost.dk/commentary/opinion/dating-danes-land-extremes
    A comment by Jay says Danish men no longer willing to put up with anything just to get laid by the women there. Go elsewhere.

    http://cphpost.dk/opinion/dating-danes-where-have-all-vikings-gone
    Ree says that Danish men worth a damn do not date Danish women because they are coarse and vulgar.
    ziggedwhenishouldazagged says in Dk you can get more a** than a toiet seat. too funny.

  • / Apocalypseman

    Red Pill – man is that true. I’ve yet to meet a girl that even has proper cookware. That in itself is just proof women have rested on their laurels as we’ve allowed the vag to be enough. Sad.

    Nik -I hope you meant past tense. No way do I agree Londoners and Americans dress the same. Rarely do I see work pants being worn by women. Rarely do I see a swarm of jeans in the bars and pubs even. It’s not even close. This is the case everywhere in Europe. Maybe back then women no doubt dressed the same, but Canada and America are alone in their trashy lululemons with ugg boots combo.

  • http://thefemministfatale.wordpress.com/ Annemarie Rose Weissberg aka Femminist Fatale

    Roosh, you are such a tard, ughhh. Why do women have to be thin? We can be what ever we want! We can do what ever we want with our vaginas, that is empowerment! How about the decline of American men?

  • Lion Rampant

    Excellent post. It’s awesome to see writing of this calibre in the manosphere. It can be passed on to blue pillers as sobering and difficult to refute.

    To be even-handed, the quality of American men is also in the dumps.

    After spending some extended time in the random bars, eateries, and cafes of San Francisco recently, I concluded that if you were a straight woman looking for a masculine, alpha male in a liberal coastal city, you’d be out of luck.

    Almost to a man, the guys I saw were lefty fags, hipster douches, metrosexuals with asymetrical haircuts, effeminate pseudo-gays, and mincing nancyboys.

    Sad specimens all around. Is it something in the water?

    There just might be something to that. See studies on pharmaceuticals, estrogen, birth control pills, etc showing up in trace amounts in all of our water.

  • Rael

    Do you *seriously* think that a music video from
    the 70s created for a tv cartoon band says
    anything at all about the real qualities of
    the women (or the men) of the 70s???

    Have you seen the music videos of today?
    Is your life like those videos?
    Are the women you meet every day like
    the women you see in those videos?

    “Why is there a nagging feeling in the
    back our mind that something isn’t right?”
    Speak for yourself …

  • Lion Rampant

    The humorous irony in San Francisco is that all semblance of manliness has been relegated to the gay male community who strive for the male ideal but come off as a sort of caricature of masculinity.

    The average gay male is far more manly in most respects to the average straight male liberal.

    S.F. is the ultimate petri dish for all this cultural marxism nonsense, but they are too full of themselves to see the stark cultural degradation that an outsider observes.

  • lost

    Roosh, I doubt you will read this, and even if you do I don’t expect a response. But on the off chance you will respond, and maybe even as a form of letting go, i’d like to share my story to ask for help.

    I used to date this girl, the way we are supposed to date girls. Innocence and mutual appreciation of each other. We genuinely liked and appreciated each other. I fell in love- not like a beta living in a fantasy. But rather, I had experience a girl that was undamaged and able to really appreciate me.

    This connection was hard as we were young and separated by distance. Long distance never works, and it was mostly my fault. I realized how rare what i had was and i fought for it too hard. she pulled, I pushed. I didn’t know “game” I just thought the connection we had was so rare it would sustain itself. Till I lost her after “beta backsliding” and I just couldnt handle the break up like a man. I embarrassed myself in front of her during the break up, and im sure her parents dont like me for my dramatic actions. Her parents think i was hurting her too much by not trusting her when we were separated.

    I lost her. We havent spoke in months. Ive been with other girls who are around as cute as she used to be. But im so afraid because im so young yet every girl i meet seems to be damaged already. Every girl has so much baggage and im only in my early 20s.

    I want to win this girl back. It is not oneitis. It is my fear that a once uncorrupted girl is going to experience the things that turn pure girls into doubtful, resentful, angry women. I want to go back in time. It was so pure. Will I ever experience this purity again? I do not care about quantity, once a man has experience true quality one person really is all you need. Help?

  • durangotang

    @lost

    You have oneitis my friend. Classic oneitis.

    I do very much myself understand the quality vs. quantity and I side with you in desiring quality and the type of relationship you want. Unfortunately, those times are gone.

    We live in a culture that no longer even encourages marriage for young women. I’ll make the assumption that since you are young she went off to college somewhere else. Whatever, doesn’t matter. The fact is that the young girl you fell in love with is not encouraged by society at large to get married, keep a home, raise children, and support a husband at a young age. She is encouraged to be assertive, go to college, and while there be sex positive and “experience new things.” She is probably, barring high moral character on her part due to her upbringing, getting stuffed and drilled by quite a few different dudes who only value her for her vagina. Can you say bukkake? The best case scenario is that she will be engaging in a series of “relationships” as a serial monogamist. Either way, it is hard to swim against the cultural tide and like most women your little fishy has not.

    My advice is to read Roosh, join the forum, and travel to another country that still values traditional gender roles if that is what you are looking for. Why swim against the cultural tide? It is not worth it.

  • kavenskas bahuras

    Roosh is a 100% broke pedophile

  • Santiago

    @ Rael:l who stated: “Do you *seriously* think that a music video from the 70s created for a tv cartoon band says anything at all about the real qualities of the women (or the men) of the 70s???”

    Do you *seriously* think you’re not an idiot? You’re obviously a politically correct entertaining moron who has no idea how stupid he is.

    Ask any man in America whose fuck years were the mid to late 1960s and they will tell you it was much better then. Seriously.

    The video clip serves as more or less an ontological record that was excavated from a bygone era. Campy as it may be, the essence of what it states is profound.

  • Anonymous

    All you do anymore is bitch. We get it, you don’t like American women and they ain’t what they used to be. Who the fuck cane to this site to listen to you bitch about American women over and over again. People either agree with you or they don’t. Go back to talking about game these posts are getting so repetitive. Seriously, you are one to talk about being boring anyone who has watched your videos knows the definition of a snoozefest. You have lost touch with your audience and sadly it seems with yourself. I’m not trying to
    Spam you but how many times can you write the same rant on American women and expect people to be entertained?

  • Anonymous

    “How about the decline of American men?”

    We’ve already given up, you’re just finally beginning to see the repercussions.

    “how many times can you write the same rant on American women and expect people to be entertained?”

    Due to the title it will probably be seen by many people because of google search. I’d love to read your obviously very interesting blog, whats the address for it?

  • Anonymous

    A lot of American guys give up because of the low quality women.

    Men need to be motivated by attractive women to prosper in life.

    Guys who travel to South America, Europe and Asia transform overnight.

    Mess with nature and you will suffer.

  • http://kennyspuahtoughts.wordpress.com/ Socialkenny

    I don’t think there’s anything awfully wrong with what was said in this article.

    The punchline that hit home the most was the line about quality over quantity.

    I notice that if I bang a quality girl (whatever that means to me), it creates a more powerful effect that if I were to bang 3 girls who weren’t really my type on a personality level.

  • / Apocalypseman

    Anon 97 – true game lies in your belief system and ability to have insightful opinions. Also – to know what makes a valuable female companion.

    Sounds like you want to hear what lines and techniques to use, which you think will help you.

    Look at the number of comments from this post compared to others. Sounds like you are out if touch. What a whiner you are. No wonder you need help with game. Clueless moron.

  • hughesshots

    I attribute the decline of american woman and the decline of the last generation to:

    -The makeover of MTV from classy music videos to teen pop, hip/hop and reality shows. How can you expect girls that grow up listening to hip/hop and rap to have any class? I am not a racist. I love African-American funk/soul/disco from the late 70s, but the african-american community is to blame for how their hip/hop and rap music negatively influenced the latter generation. The damage started with bands like Nirvana also depressing the shit out of male teenagers. Boy do I resent having grown up in the 90s and 2000s

    -Free entertainment- with all the internet piracy. How can you expect a generation that grows up thinking that they don’t have to pay or work hard for what they want to work hard on their personalities, on their physical health and on making a relationship work? Self-entitlement bullshit

    -Lack of classy role models from the entertainment industry. Our parents had the Beach Boys and the Rollings Stones and we had Nirvana, Green Day and Marilyn Manson (which is a decline). Our parents had Earth Wind and Fire, and we had Dr. Dre and Snoop Doggy Dog, and then Eminem and Brittney Spears (another decline). And then American Idol contestants as role models (more decline). The previous generations had Paul Newman, Cary Grant, Robert Redford and this generation had Macaulay Culkin and DiCaprio (another decline).

    -Growing up in the most externally controlled generation

    *The most parent protected generation- Helicopter parenting- negative effect on social progress, ego and maturity. The extreme close attention prevents us from making mistakes, sometimes contrary to the children wishes. College becomes an extension of high school. Parents are seeing their children as an investment.

    *The most educated generation in history (school controlled), and the most broke

    -The most advertised to generation (media/society controlled)
    -The most watched over generation ever (surveillance cams)
    -The most medicated generation in history (pharmacologically controlled)
    -The most technologically controlled generation. They dont control technology, technology controls them and have affected their emotional/spiritual development
    -The most scared generation- AIDS, terrorism, created epidemics, created natural disasters, school shootings done by CIA Manchurian candidates. All these is worsening the risk aversion of which American society suffers today.

    It is the authorities fault for doing all these damage and the American people’s fault for swallowing and embracing all these shit. Thanks God I left United States. I live in Northern Europe now, where I feel like some of the “old wisdom” has not been lost.

  • Armenian

    Whenever I hear the expression “There are plenty of fish in the sea”, I say to myself “Yes but that sea is full of toxic waste”

  • Shazam

    Roosh go YouTube and check out miniskirt contest in puerto Vallarta. That’s the epitome of naughty but nice American women. It’s from the 80’s I think

  • Cate

    Yes, what about the decline of American men? None of you in the cavemanosphere ever discuss that. I can tell you true gentleman, true alpha gentlemen do not spend all day belittling, objectifying, criticizing, and judging women on the Internet, and they certainly do not need to read blogs about game. There are plenty of beautiful, intelligent, educated women that acknowledge the wonderful differences between men and women and would love to be loyal and respectful to their man, but unfortunately in this day and age, men are more concerned about going to bars and picking up women to ‘bang’. Maybe it is the women you choose to surround yourselves with?
    I also find it amusing there is so much talk about modern women feeling they deserve certain things appalling to you. Well what the fuck makes you so entitled?

  • anonn

    The poisonous influences of the academy and schooling system which lead females to the hate-filled, narcissistic political views and lifestyles are certainly to blame and have been mentioned many times.

    But it’s no coincidence that the outright appalling appearance and personal aff-ect (behavior) of the american female has coincided with the rise, normalization and pedestalization of the gay male. Most women (and men) have no idea that it’s gay males who set all the fashion and appearance trends FOR WOMEN!! So, in other words, american females learn what they know about being “female” and feminine and sexy from faggot males. It has more than been established that they don’t learn it from their mothers or bra-burning grandmothers. This is the most lethal way to destroy everything that makes up a society–beyond just bespoiling some chumps shot at eye-candy on the train ride home from work.

    So this is what we’ve got: Unfeminine, disgusting, boorish cunts who look like a third gender and are totally lacking in any degree of cultural heritage, family heritage, and religious heritage due to the abdication of normal anthropological transference of proper gender mores and the substituting influence of disgusting, abnormal homosexual specimens.

    Think gays are just cute little benign storylines who only make up 5% of the population (self reported, of course)?? Fags ruined your women fellas. Happy?

    Indeed, many men have taken the entirely noble and unreproachable empathy/provider/protection instincts that nature instilled in them to ensure the survival of their wives and children and have now directed it squarely at gay males. Don’t look so shocked. You vote for pathetic “men” like this every day. Wake the fuck up.

    There’s a reason these guys had the absolute shit kicked out of them up until the mid-80’s and it wasn’t due to any silly feminized shaming idea of “overcompensation”. You know what it was? It was nature. Keep trying to go against nature. See where that gets ya, ok??

  • Anonymous

    It’s just about getting bored. You’ve spent so much time chasing (and fucking but that’s actually secondary) modern western women you want something different now.

  • Heath

    It’s also about them being lazy. They want robowomen to cater to their every need, yet want to let themselves go, and work for nothing, and blame women for inability to have a relationship. Rooshv and heartiste are where boys go after they have been broken by a woman. But, when said men then turn around and have blogs and threads objectifying and vastly generalizing about ALL women, and women get pissed we have naturally ingested the feminist poison. These men are absurd, and thankfully take up only a small % of the male population, just as the women they bash.

  • http://[email protected] Anonymous

    Cate: Women are responsible for sexual selection. If young Western women wanted commitment they would get it, just like their grandmas generation did. The reason PUA culture exists is because the old rules no longer work and men have been forced to adjust accordingly.

    Gentlemen don’t have as much success with women now as they did in the past. The NAWALT defence only goes so far.

  • Mike

    “Have you seen the music videos of today?
    Is your life like those videos?
    Are the women you meet every day like
    [b]the women you see in those videos?[/b]”
    Ehm..yes..the women you see these days are pretty much the same way as the women in music videos. Loud, obnoxious, attention whoring.

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  • Anonymous

    wow i dont normally leave anonymous hate but i’m just going to say that you’re really fucking stupid and i hope you die a horrible, slow, painful death and that before that you never get laid again and also that you injure both your hands so that you can never masturbate :)

  • Alex

    St. Augustine, at one time a very lusty, young man, brought up similar issues regarding the potential emptiness of sex and how there is much more to life. Ultimately, meaningless sex with skanky American broads won’t cut the mustard. We are meant for more and meaningless sex is not the premium gasoline that will keep our car running, but just watered down gas with crap in it. Good for a little bit, but ultimately it only ruins our car.

  • Anonymous

    “You strengthen their cause as you dehumanize sex and make it meaningless and insignificant, well removed from its biological and bonding purposes.”

    that is what we call hypocrisy, folks.

  • MJay1978

    I think it’s a complete turn off the way American women present themselves to men and how they do it. Especially in the bedroom. They don’t try hard enough to please a man. Most have lost their femininity. They also constantly throw nice guys under the bus and outcast them.

    To find a woman with femininity in America is like finding a needle in a haystack. That is why I quit and no longer date women here in America, which is why I’m with the movement to go abroad to find a nice foreign woman.

  • KingPing

    “A man without religion is to be pitied. A woman without religion is a horror beyond all things”

    put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    anything goes without God, if you don’t understand/deny this principle, you will not understand life whether your 30 or 90.
    anybody who is “good” who does not believe in God is wasting their time. A girl can cheat on her husband all day if she doesn’t answer to God, why should she sacrifice her pleasure for the sake of one man? one random accumulation of atoms, a subjective feeling of attachment. all mind games.

    “When women dress immodestly, and men despise religion, it is the beginning of the end” – Seneca

  • another opinion

    I can’t say i agree with your opinion, but I find you writing powerful and expressive, thus I respect your view. As a women I wouldn’t say I found the article sexist but I did find your article gave certain social and behavioral expectations for a particular gender. Your expectations are certainly allowed but I personally didn’t agree with due to the following reason.

    I find that being feminist has lots to do with freedom. Thus a women who chooses to be a home maker isn’t not feminist as long as she chose to be a home maker and wasn’t forced into the position. Thus equal because we won’t be barred from anything options simply because we are female. Likewise although I don’t agree or participate in the actions of the women you described. I feel the greatest thing about our country is because they can feel free to act as they so chose. Although you may have a personal preference against these types of women, I don’t feel anyone is in a place to say these develops are good or bad direction. It is simply how the state of the world is, and if you have other preference you can act on them by not interacting with such women. Of course it is perfectly acceptable to express you opinion on the internet. I would just like to express that as a fellow human, I tend to let other humans behave how they chose as long as no one is harmed. I wouldn’t complain about another’s behavior as my personal way of protest is to simply not participate.

  • Deborah

    I have come across this article on the internet late at night. My husband has just made a meal of me–a gourmet meal if you were to ask him; then, one of my babies was up and knocking on a locked door. We quickly readied ourselves and my husband let her in. She proceeded to get in the bed and I nursed her back to sleep. Then, my other baby was up and I gave her some attention and she went back to sleep too. Now, I can’t sleep!! So here I am. I must say that, since I am a woman, I was appaulled by your article. Not all women in America are the way in which you have described. Have you been to Mississippi?! I’m a highly educated, stay-at-home mom of three. I know plenty of other women just like me. Even if they work, their families always come first. Their husbands are proud to be seen with them and proud to introduce them with the title of “wife.”
    Also, with your comparison of women back in the day, I couldn’t help but think of men from that era as well. They were gentlemen—gentle men. They regarded the opinion of their girlfriend’s parents very highly and considered it a compliment if they were well liked. Back in the day, men understood the meaning of the word “no.” They weren’t so quick to seduce. They understood the definition of courting–that’s right, they courted their girlfriends. They courted in such a manner as to make women feel more like ladies. That is courting—with an intent to marry. Men today don’t want to marry their girlfriends. They don’t even want to get “serious” let along think of marriage. They want to have sex with her until they tire of her and then it’s on to the next conquest. No wonder women today have a different attitude about sex. On our first date, my future husband told me that he was dating me with the intent on marrying me and asked me if I had a problem with it? Of course, I answered no!!
    Could it be that you have created your own problem? Maybe if you were more of a gentleman then your date would behave more like a lady. In this way, you create your own destiny. Have fun in Europe.

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  • Wolfwolveswolf

    Hey women come out of the clouds, you’re not all the Queen of Sheba! I’ve heard women bitch about Men for a long time. Now Men are starting to give it right back as it is true and due, but no can’t have that truth being faced. Well it’s here and the truth. I think most of this society has gone to hell. We aught to get ready for what we got coming, cause it is not going to be nice when it gets here. Funny how being a gentleman was mentioned, a guy acted like a gentleman these days women would laugh at him, mock him! All women care about is MONEY, a Man being at least 6ft. tall, and any bad-Boy traits they can adore. Of course you can learn the game like RooshV knows (or what ever you want to call it) and be ahead of women! There’s really no other choice!

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  • Unboxed

    If I may opine on the specific idea of getting one’s slice of the pie, there is no pre-defined sexual pie from which to extract one’s quota. There is no quantity of future sex acts earmarked with one’s name on it, waiting in the karmic ether to be either claimed or forfeited. No use it or lose it. There is no merit badge waiting for a man. No approval rating, no point score threshold, no odometer rollover. Nature is a cold-blooded mutha, and does not care about any constructs we devise to negotiate for ourselves a metered progression of our sex lives. A celibate monk is continuously as meaningful and as meaningless as a Lothario. The degree to which we orbit our genitals is the degree to which we subjugate our thinking to these conceptualized thresholds of sexual achievement, one of which is the “pie”. To the extent that this serves the reproductive goals of the cold-blooded Mutha, we are its petty chumps.

  • Unboxed

    My brother is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. He never criticizes people, never spouts angular opinions, is not a woman hater. He quietly and without telling anyone courted a girl in China and went there and married her. It took two years to bring her stateside. When I asked him why did he go to China for a wife, he told me that American women are ruined. Knowing his wife today, I can see exactly why he chose her. I respect his opinions because he is never one to promote them. Like our dad, he keeps his opinions to himself and acts on what he believes.

  • Bankheaad

    I live the blonde with he black top and huge tits in the video- she looks like a big tit Brit to me too.

  • Zweihänder

    Not bad, but I prefer, “sharks are fish too, wanna swim with them?”

  • whiskas

    If your story isn’t made up:

    You are disgusting. Yet another example of the husband doing ALL the work – men’s (occupation/career/provider) and women’s (cooking and attending to children). I feel sorry for your children, having only one parent (the dad), while the mom just sits on her lazy fat@ss typing anti-male garbage (“men understood the meaning of the word “no.” – yeah? back in the day, women weren’t sluts.) – all while the Internet/computer/etc. is paid for by the husband, while you do NOTHING.
    BTW – What sane, non-abusive parent actually LOCKS their children in a room? If that’s what you resort to because of your internet addiction, that is just SAD.

  • Sugarsail1

    Puritan roots, paved over by narcissistic sexualized feminism is a toxic combination. American women and men are both victims of this. Everyone is losing The gals are mostly sexually dysfunctional too…really sad.

  • Chang Ling

    I’ve got to laugh, This guy says women in the past were not easy!! I’m a musician and started playing in a country band back when rock n roll ruled and even in a country band I was in pu**y up to my ears, no pun intended. Some nights I’d bang 2 or 3 girls before the band even started playing and once the booze started flowing there was no limit of women to f*** as long as a guy could get it back up. Oh the stamina of youth, if I could only go back. The one thing that was different back then was while you were busy pumping away at some bitch she would be busy making you promise not to tell anyone because she wasn’t that kind of girl, She was only making an exception for me. Yeah right. And the Pope is Jewish. Now days Women don’t seem to mind who you tell and they seem to be proud of being a whore.

  • Chang Ling

    How many guys did you f*** before you married your husband? Even women who settle down and become wives and mothers and at their core sluts and whores. You say you’re highly educated, that would mean you’ve f***** at least 15 to 20 guys before marriage and probably higher. Once a slut always a slut.

  • Joe

    America has progressively become more and more liberal. Women in the 1960s and even probably the 70s were much better than they are today. I watch movies from those times, and yes, women used to be very feminine and proper. The James Bond movies of the 60s and early 70s showed my ideal kind of woman. Those movies are considered sexist and misogynist today, and not even to feminists.
    The average guy had a better chance at a happy existence than today. The last 30 years have seen the destruction of all that. The women’s “liberation” movement has destroyed all of that.

  • JoeAmerica

    Any supermarket, drugstore, etc in the USA.

    Almost all of the magazines are targeted to women.

    Look at many of the magazine titles, it reveals a narcissistic or self absorption that is a common thread in the title of the magazine for all to see.

    MORE ,ALL YOU, ME, ELLE, GLAMOUR, VOGUE, US, BRIDEZILLA (this is more a theme as there are a ton along this line) and many more with similar names. These titles say in essence “its all about me”. Are there any that say “I am here to serve others”??? This shift in attitude can be seen over the last 50 years.

    I think there is the beginnings of a new shift, the stay at home mom (even doing some home schooling) is becoming the reserve of the wealthy. Children who are the product of this environment have a large advantage over the single mom with the welfare state as a sugar daddy which is currently growing a massive underclass.

  • Annoyed

    I tried to read this, but I couldn’t get past the third paragraph because i got sick of all the pop-up ads.

  • I dont care

    Horrible comment, along with grammatical errors. It is so damn pretentious of you to assume that if we are without a “god” we are immoral. Go back to your church, people like you insult the American culture and are the laughing stock of the rest of the modern world.

  • Jenny Wren

    I hate to say this, especially as a thirty-something American female (which, I’m certain, already drops my opinion a few pegs with this audience), but truthfully the decline of a population of “real men” is also to blame. In America especially, we live in a culture where one class of men so deeply lack an opinion of their own that they rely on “I don’t know… What do you want to do?” as a means to express that. Beyond that, effort in general on the part of the male has dropped to almost non-existent. The art of “courting” has degraded to tag-lines and lewd suggestions at best, and it has been many years since I have heard of a male asking a female out on a traditional “date”. At best, the act of hanging out with hope for an easy lay has become the norm. I’m sorry, guys, but this is pathetic. There is absolutely no reason for a woman to *want* to impress a guy because, truly, guys are simple and easy. Men are a dying breed, boys are everywhere, and males in general have ceased putting forth the effort to make a good impression on the women around them. Coincidentally this encourages the evolution of the “slut” the author is describing. Why, as a woman, would I want to attempt to build a relationship with a guy that’s really not worth my time except for maybe using as a bit of sport. That’s right… I hate to say it… sport. Guys seem to believe that we females have become “easy”. That’s not the case, really. The fact of the matter is that guys are ridiculously easy and require little to no effort for a gal who wants a little NSA fun, and we’re aware of that. When she’s done? Out the door he goes. That, of course, is not the ideal way for a species to behave when both sides are screaming about the failure of the traditional relationship.

    Maybe I’m a bit strange, but as a grown woman who is not opposed to the idea of courtship, marriage, and raising a family, I feel as if I sit firmly outside of the classification of female the author is describing. Now granted, I feel the author holds some fairly shallow opinions of what makes a “good woman”. I have known, for example, several “real women” who have opted to get a tattoo or a body piercing. I have also known several “vapid sluts” who went out of their way to look like June Cleaver. Appearances are deceiving and can not be used as a barometer for womanliness.

    Secondly, the way males in this culture express appreciation for appearances is absolutely appalling. Even the author whittles down the sentiment to a choice phrase, “They are vaginas, existing solely for an alcohol-fueled pump that is wholly separate from emotion or human feeling.” Excuse me there, mister, but are YOU what I’m trying to impress? No thank you very much. The males of American culture have, by and large, taken up one of a very few archetypes: The Frat Boy / Playboy (“hit it and quit it” mentality, hides low self-esteem with posturing and objectification of women), The Jellyfish (utterly spineless, trapped in “boy” mentality and wants a partner to make all decisions and tend to his every need, they want a surrogate mother – not a lover), Good Ol’ Boy (bravado is the name of the game, typically a bully, loudly opinionated and unattached with emotional self), The Sociopath / Narcissist (Get their rocks off by twisting the mental state of their target. This one bears a little reading into. Surprising how common, and they’re giving a LOT of guys a bad name), the Danger Zone (70% of women have been sexually assaulted, molested, and/or raped in their lifetime. Seriously.), and The Dragon / Unicorn / White Knight/Prince Charming (Yes, there are a few good men still out there. Finding one, however, can seem like a hunt for a mythical species. Friends have lovingly referred to this as “going on a snipe hunt”). The Danger Zone guys do an especially large amount of damage to the reputation of the male gender as a whole. Given how common it is for males to disregard the opinions, personal space, and rights of the females around them, it goes without saying that there is a certain level of skittishness, especially with women who have faced the horrors of the 70% majority reality. Is this one going to hit me? Will this guy listen if I say “no”? What if I wear that dress or comb my hair and wear makeup? Will I get raped again? Will I get beaten again?

    I’m sorry to have to expose this sad fact – but it is the truth – women have learned from pop culture to make themselves into sex objects, and learned from experience that if they look too pretty or think too much or too little or whatever… that they’ve got it coming.

    If the males of this world would like the company of “real, true, good women”, then there is hope. A webpage I recommend to a lot of my male friends is theartofmanliness.com Learn what it is to be a MAN… not just a male, not just a boy or a guy or a dude… a man. If you show a woman she is appreciated, safe, and loved, then congratulations! You have made it onto the very short and exclusive list of “real men”, and you are one of the few worth the time and effort of a real woman. Not all of us have given up on you…. yet.

  • King Lion

    Well stated Jenny Wren……Men, do your part in being genteel by showing good sense and dropping all non-sense behaviour and thinking. I know our daughters, mothers and wives (in fact all women) appreciate it!

  • T Harrell

    Use a PopUp blocker like Ad Block. Know what you mean, I hate GD popups.

  • OG

    Obesity has gone up among men and women. change gov’t policy, no more farm subsidies; problem solved! See how easy that was? :-)

  • Justin Thomas

    You can blame all the single mothers (56% of households now) for raising sons without male figures.

  • http://www.youtube.com/B4ULoveShine Just Tim

    I heard your grandma got a black man LYNCHED.

  • Jenny Wren

    I feel the need to point out that most women don’t *plan* on being a single mother. We women have a great capacity to forgive if reconciliation is sought for wrongs. Sadly, more often than not, the reaction to a woman becoming pregnant will not include an open discussion of fears, worries, or concerns from most men. All too often when we women learn we are carrying a child the concern turns to what color to paint the nursery, whether to breast or bottle feed, and dreaming about names. It does not include the very real possibility that our Prince Charming will hop on his horse and head for the sunset. Unfortunately, this is all too often the reality. When this reality hits, there are a few possibilities. We can A: Have an abortion if we’re early on. B: Put the child up for adoption and hope they don’t wind up one of thousands forgotten in “the system”. C: Seek out another man and hope he won’t be put off by the fact we’re carrying another man’s child (not very likely) or D: Bring our child into the world and raise them as best as we can.
    I wish this weren’t a reality, but it is. Even when most single mothers who have sons are raising their children with the hopes of finding positive male role models, the fact remains that their father, in their mind, “abandoned them”. Now really, the biologic father abandoned a pregnant woman with no thought of their son and it wasn’t something personal against them. It’s just what it was.

    So as for blaming all the single mothers? No. I blame the absentee fathers.

  • Justin Thomas

    And what about these “absentee fathers” when the mother, against court orders, denies visitation, or moves across the country? Did you know that 80% of divorces are initiated by women, and 85% of mothers get primary custody? Sure, you can blame men. That’s the easy, mainstream way out and requires no thought or research. You can also present women as martyrs and victims. That also requires no thought and is a good way to solicit sympathy points for your post.

    But the reality is this – women have agency; it’s her body, her choice. She is in complete control of her womb. Pregnancy is a choice in 2014. Childbirth is a choice in 2014. Maybe don’t get pregnant by men who aren’t going to stick around? Or maybe not throw away the father of your child and deny visitation (but you sure suck up those child support checks).

    In 2014, the average man doesn’t buy the shit you’re posting. Just lettin’ ya know.

  • Justin Thomas

    Why should I be genteel and drop non-sense behavior and thinking if women refuse to fulfill their traditional roles and instead want to act like men and do whatever they want? Feminism might not have sought to liberate men, but it has. We can now fuck’n’chuck all we want and never have to get married or worry about what women want.

    Although I have to admit, this thinking only extends to American women. There are plenty of women overseas in Asia who are right deserving of the best qualities my masculinity has to offer.

  • Justin Thomas

    Fuck your God.

  • Justin Thomas

    Here here. I myself am marrying a wonderful Filipina this summer.

  • Justin Thomas

    Actually The Decline is a topic of much discussion in the manosphere. However, it seems you’re more interested in any criticism of women and choose to read that instead.

  • Justin Thomas

    The quality of American men is “in the dumps” because men no longer need to be of a high caliber to get laid; and when you can get laid so easily, why bother to marry?

    American men no longer look forward to loving, faithful, supportive wives. You are now experiencing the repercussions of feminism. How did that work out for you?

  • Jenny Wren

    I will agree that there are scenarios where the woman absolutely IS in the wrong. I’m in no way going to state across the board that women are always right or men always wrong. Nothing is 100%.

    That said, a great many pregnancies happen outside the confines of marriage. For every woman wrongfully denying visitation there are as many or more men dodging child support or exposing the child to negative thought patterns and actions. A mother’s first job is to protect her child. That much is universal.

    With regards to having a choice – yes, that’s true – unless the guy bolts when the woman is too far along. As far as avoiding pregnancy with men who won’t stick around? I guarantee VERY few if any women decide to get pregnant knowing the guy will bolt. We foolishly hold out hope that our love will be enough. Read through the comments and decide for yourself if many of these men would be that kind of person. Would struggle and strive alongside a woman. Would do the responsible thing.

    The only surefire way to avoid this is for women to simply refrain from contact with men. To not fall in love. To close our legs until a man comes along who’s willing to take the time and effort to PROVE he’s a good man… not just offer beautiful promises. Or, like me, undergo a reversible sterilization. I will never allow myself to conceive until I am sure and certain the man I choose is a good and genuine person; until I know my child is conceived in love; until I can all but guarantee a two-parent household. I realize this likely means I will never bear a child. I only very selectively engage with any romantic gestures at all and absolutely won’t hop in bed with just any Tom, Dick, or Harry.

    I have the feeling the prospect of females taking up this behavior pattern would terrify a large portion of the population.

    It sounds like you fall into the category of a man who was, in fact, done wrong by a woman. If you truly and honestly want to be a good father but are being denied the chance, my heart goes out to you. I hope, if this is the case, things will somehow work out to your favor. It is a rare man who has these desires and I hope everything works out. I truly do feel for you.

  • Justin Thomas

    Actually, if you look up the stats: For every ONE woman interfering with visitation, there is 0.25 men dodging child support. And of those that don’t pay, 70% of the time it’s because they simply don’t have the money (ie maybe this broads shouldn’t get pregnant by broke men?) But I see I’m arguing with a feminist… no point in posting facts here.

  • Jenny Wren

    I do have to point out that a great many women have picked up on this mentality and can easily sense what a guy might be looking for. In a number of cases, we’ve noticed that guys often have the mentality of “Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?”. Unfortunately, this line of thinking often helps develop the mindset of women in a parallel fashion… “Why buy the pig when you only want a little sausage?” The realm of “fuck’n’chuck” is no longer only the purview of the male ego. Truly, with a real woman you always get what you give. Men need to decide if they’re ready to receive in turn what they offer.

  • Justin Thomas

    I’ve noticed a strong “put the onus on men” trend in your posts. Men are simply adapting to women and feminism. If you don’t like how men and women are these days… put the onus on feminism, hon.

  • Jenny Wren

    I suppose I ascribe to the original intentions of feminism. That is to say, a fair and balanced treatment of individuals not based on gender. I do have a strong distaste for the blatant double-standard. For example, if a woman enjoys sex for its own sake and chooses to have fun with no strings attached, then she must be a slut according to what seems to be the prevailing opinion. Whereas if a man enjoys sex for its own sake and chooses to have fun with no strings attached, then he’s just playing “the game” with “some sluts”. No matter how you slice it, the male is exalted and the female devalued. It’s just as bad for men! If a man decides sex is more sacred and meaningful than just a no-strings fuck and treats women with respect, then he must be a sissy/pansy/non-masculine or an array of other horrible assumptions. Whereas when a woman decides to regard sex as special and chooses to withhold from the masses, she becomes equally horrible in the eyes of any male she turns down. Ice queen/bitch/frigid/prude/dyke… I’ve heard it all and worse.

    What’s more I grow weary of seeing so many guys on here blame their own actions on women or “how women are”. They only fuck around because women are sluts. They only lie because women fall for it. This is no way to build a relationship based on any kind of trust. We all choose our own actions. Any belief otherwise makes about as much sense as blaming a victim for a crime.

    Men act this way or that because of how “women are” is passing the buck and giving into generalization. The same goes for any woman blaming her actions or choices on “how men are”. I feel we would get on a lot better as a species in general if we were able to respect each other even if we disagree with choices. An even playing field would be so refreshing.

    This means, if you as a male decide to have sex frivolously do not for a moment believe you’re worthy of more from a woman. Likewise if you’re a woman who decides to have sex frivolously do not for a moment believe you’re worthy of more from a man. And let’s maybe stop with the name calling? Please?

  • Jenny Wren

    From empirical observation and the people I have come across in my life, I have seen a much higher tendency toward men being the offender. This may simply be a trend in the area where I live but it is what I have seen. I have known one man who was done wrong in the way you described and I invested a lot of time, effort, and money into helping him regain his place in his daughter’s life. I am happy to report he was successful. As for “broads” not getting pregnant by broke men? Would it not be equally important for men who can’t afford to help support a child to avoid the risk of creating one? Putting burden and blame on women only is as misogynistic as putting blame on men only is misandryist. (That is the correct term, by the way, not feminist).

    There are, as I have pointed out, wrongs on both sides. What is so difficult and wrong with recognizing our own failings and striving to *be* a better partner, rather than whining about not having one. This goes for women and men alike.

    Take an honest look at yourself (I still strive to do this. Not easy but worthwhile) and never expect to get better than you give.

  • Justin Thomas

    The problem with your brand of feminism is that you seem to ascribe to the “it’s all socialization” camp. I get this impression regarding your comments about male promiscuity vs female promiscuity. They are not the same. Male promiscuity is valued because for men to get laid NSA requires skill. This raises his value, not only to other men, but to other women. Women want what other women want. It snowballs – a guy gets attention from one woman, her friend comes over, and now unaffiliated women want to get in on the fun. A guy who no women like is seen as “a creeper”. There’s no “PUA” or “how to get laid” guides for women. All a woman has to do is simply select her partner and spread her legs. Men who sleep around… have skill. They have something else going for them, too – be it money, power, fame, charisma, something to show off, etcetc. Male promiscuity has no bearing on whether or not a marriage will succeed – but studies have shown, time and time again, that as the number of partners a woman has had goes up, the chances of her filing for divorce go up as well. After 5 partners the chance is up like 25%. And that’s not factoring in other variables – such as education (as her education goes up, so does the chance of divorce), mental illnesses (depression and anxiety seemingly rampant amongst modern women). So yeah – when men degrade “sluts” it’s because those sluts have degraded themselves and shown their worth as women – walking vaginas.

    Men are not really interested in building relationships with women anymore. Why? Because most women really are sluts in our society. Sluts do not make suitable partners for trusting relationships. Sluts cheat, sluts carry STDs, sluts are irresponsible. Men who want serious relationships are going overseas – Thailand, China, Philippines, Malaysia, and other countries where the women still understand how to be women. You can rant and rave all you want about it, stomp your feet, call me misogynist or whatever – it doesn’t change the growing reality.

    Feminism is a failed social experiment. It doesn’t really work, because humans are not socialized computers, they’re biologically driven creatures. If you want to learn more I suggest you read the manosphere a bit. Maybe check out reddit.com/r/theredpill.

  • Jenny Wren

    I have no need to rant or rave. It is clear to me that you are incapable of viewing a woman as an equal in any way, so you’ll have to forgive me if I no longer wish to discuss with you further. Your definition of a woman seems to be whatever “walking vagina” you can coax into submission. I am truly sad for you, for what we seek we most often find.

  • Justin Thomas

    Concession accepted.

  • Estonian

    It’s not only the decline of American and Western European women but same goes to their male counterparts. I am originally from Estonia and had the opportunity to study and live in London for over 5 years and the Western European men don’t act like men anymore or respond to femininity like Eastern European and Russian men do. There are very few West Euro men out there who still have normal male instincts left. I am now happily back in Estonia and unfortunately have developed an allergy against West Euro men, whenever I see one I instinctively distance myself immediately. I love both Estonian and Russian men because they ACT like real MEN and make a woman feel next to them like a WOMAN not like some sexless android. And Russian men know a thing or two about chivalry, something that is dead in the West.

  • Jenny Wren

    It is refreshing to see such a balanced view, especially in this discussion. There is much praise to be given to the true gentleman, the “real man”. It does seem increasingly rare to come across a man who knows the values of chivalry, and appreciates a woman as more than mere meat or arm candy. I have had the good fortune to know of one and, not surprisingly, he was not born in the States. He grew up with excellent role models and learned to emulate the best qualities of masculinity. I myself am Slovakian and so perhaps I retain that genetic memory from a time where a lady was proud to be on the arm of her gentleman because he truly did make her feel like a woman… and a gentleman was full of pride for the woman who knew how to make him feel like a man. What ever happened to that?

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  • J

    It really is simple. Females have more control over the greater life prospects much more so than the males, thus, the males are having to follow suit. Most females in America are fat, crazy, sluttish, stupid and ugly…..a 3rd gender is the perfect term. Outside of violence, you can in no way blame the males for their behaviors or going overseas. A male has to do what a male has to do, period–there are no great options outside of living next to a brothel and hiring a surrogate. That….is…….the reality.

  • J

    San Francisco? Are you insane? Those are city people.

  • Mikey

    The author is correct with all his observations and I personally am aware of these facts for many years. Women have become impossible in North America and impossible to live with. They have turned their men into cowering wimps afraid of the repercussions of a confrontation. The women of today love their alleged independence and have no qualms talking hubby to the cleaners (Courts) and make him pay Alimony and Support while the Slut plays the field. Check out all the Dating Sites and the amount of Divorced and Separated women is astonishing. In order to date again they lay down strict criteria that men have to meet. Sarcasm, humour does not wash with North American women because they have no sense of humour. They are prudes or at least present themselves as such, an attempt at respectability. But we men know differently, there is a whore in every woman and it takes very very little to bring out that whore. Lots of recently separated and Divorced men are quite frequently horrified at how quickly their former loved one became a filthy whoring slut. The new guy has been given his orders to engage in Fine Wining and Dining while the Ex Husband lives in a room to support his kids. The new guy will easy drop $500 entertaining this slut while she spins out the spiders cobweb for this current poor Gobshite. Whats most galling is she is usually overweight with an extended stomach and no inkling of the world or global issues except Vanity Fair or the lartest reality show. I can see the Men taking off in droves to get away from these disgusting, smelly, obese, whores. The author was correct when he spoke about South America and Eastern Europe. Why waste any time on these bitch whores when there are so many exquisite good looking respectful women in these locations also Asia. I cant wait for the Global Economic climate to return to its Mean Average of the prior 200 years as measured by GDP and the Glasnost Era of Womens Lib will evaporate resulting in the massive layoff of women and the glass ceiling types. And when that happens and you come running back to us men to help you, I hope all the men have the balls to tell you all to Fuckoff and go have a shower, because you stink in more ways than one.

  • deborah elliott

    Oh my!!! I’m just now reading this. The answer to your question is 2—not that your rude reply merits an answer. Interesting, I would have never equated higher education with a higher number of partners. Although some would say I’m quite intelligent, I did have to study in college, and I worked, and I lived with my ailing grandfather whom I worried about constantly. I guess I was busy doing other things and perhaps this accounts for my low number. ttfn

  • deborah elliott

    I didn’t lock my children in their room. The door to MY room was locked because my husband and I were busy. BTW, your post is mean—being called disgusting hurts. I usually don’t post on such public sites and I didn’t expect such cruel comments. This will be the last time I post to a site such as this one and I don’t have an internet addiction. I just couldn’t sleep because I had to take care of my babies in the middle of the night. My children have TWO parents. Being a mom is work every day all day. I wait on my children’s every whim, I play with them, teach them preschool, and take them places. I don’t watch what I want on tv, I go where they want to go, and they usually are playing learning games on the computer during the day—so much for my internet addiction! –not to mention cooking and cleaning. You may feel sorry for my children but there’s really no need. And, I was just responding to an “anti-female” post as you would call it. I’m a lady but you are NO gentleman. I feel sorry for you because you sound so angry and unhappy. ttfn

  • FellowRedPIll

    Nice catch mang.

  • Awesome Dude

    You are very correct when you say that the generation from the 60s started stupidism and lead to what we have right now but also many girls back then were traditional as well.

  • Awesome Dude

    If we want to return to the good old days when women cared about their appearance like in the 1950s then the answer is: Conservative Christianity. Many will disagree but countries where Christianity is strong such as Latin America generally have women who want to be mothers and housewives instead of soldiers and cops. Those women stay and home and wait for their husband to come home to receive him with a hot meal. They also don’t divorce very often look at the statistics South America has one of the lowest divorce rates along with the Philippines (even though divorce is illegal). Women raised in Christian values will also have more dignity and will dress more modestly and be more traditional instead of being a slut. Therefore we must take this country back from the toxic waste of feminism, secularism, sluttiness, alcoholism and basically every toxic combination you can think of. Let’s take back this country and return society back to traditionalism. Let’s support :
    America First Party
    Christian Liberty Party
    Independent American Party
    American Conservative Party
    America’s Party However the best one to vote for even though they are all good is the Constitution Party which is very conservative which is what Leftists America needs a very Right-wing conservative political party dominance.

  • G. Snyder

    You cannot and must not trust a woman, especially an American. There is at least a 60% chance they will leave with little or no warning. If you married them you may be left with little or nothing, the Judge won’t care about you. They will give up and move on with little interest to try and fix the relationship. The world revolves around them. They have the last word. They want it all and are always comparing their life to others. They will sleep with you but it won’t be all that important to them. Fake is reality and reality is fake. Any religious one must be avoided at all cost, they are guaranteed crazy. They will expect you to read their minds and know what to do, how, when and what. When the going gets tough you’ll likely be pulling the weight on your own. Liars.

  • Driver

    White, American women in this country have it pretty good. We all hear about how there is ‘inequality’ in the labor field (equal pay for women) but what about the marches and parades for equality where the man is getting the short end of the stick (i.e. our court systems).

    Women (usually white women) love to talk about what their not getting but usually never want to talk about ‘true equality’.

    Men for the last few decades have been brainwashed by women, the MSM and the government to behave a certain way towards women. Women want the jobs that men used to hold (so with that…where are men supposed to go and how are they supposed to impress women?).

    You have their job, now…you’re looking for equal pay, you already have the upper hand in any court room….but you still bitch about a man impressing you or where have all the good men gone?

    So many entitled (usually white) women in this country are getting it all and they still bitch. You passed up a good man years ago but now you want someone to settle down with (and those bad boy, alpha fucks just won’t do….because they don’t want you now).

    Year after year, women are getting more and more…but they still bitch…you know why? Because they don’t know….and they’re still unhappy.

    Try acting more like a lady and we’ll try acting more like gentlemen. Maybe then, we can find common ground.

  • Driver

    lol…of course it always comes back to the man. Because if women ever had to make any adjustments or improvements then that would be wrong…or conceding a point.

    Ask older women (50s or 60s) what they think about the 20 something year old today? Ask these older women if they think their behavior is acceptable (leave men out of it, period)?

    I’ll bet you will find that even many in your own group (not men) find the behaviors exhibited today by females very unacceptable.

    Leave men out of the debate and I think you’ll be surprised to learn a few hard truths.

  • Driver

    Hell, just pick out a bunch of average looking women from today versus back when (no models, actresses or women with fake anything).

    I’ll bet you the weight limit, alone, would be quite alarming (let alone the style of dress, hair, makeup, etc..).

    It’s always easier to talk about something else or discredit something versus making actual improvements. You only have to walk to a store or mall, today, to see how little self respect the average woman has for herself.

    I mean put on, at least, a pair of jeans or shorts (summer) versus something that is either sweat pants or pajama bottoms. We know you don’t go to the gym or workout (or you just don’t care at all).

  • Driver

    I don’t believe it applies to all women but it does apply to a good amount of the generation, today. And it works both ways.

    Since the rise of “feminism”….women feel like they can act and dress in any manner (because it’s empowering). Do I want to be with someone who doesn’t take care of their body (exercise) or who sits on their ass all day getting bigger? No.

    So while you are looking for me to be a gentlemen, to take a woman seriously (her thoughts, views, opinions, etc) you really need to address your own ‘group’ with “hey, ladies..let’s get it together and do our part”.

    Your never going to find a ‘gentleman’ who is going to respect a woman if that woman doesn’t respect herself. Again, put on a dress once in awhile, workout (take care of yourself), act like a woman (stop cussing like a sailor…and drinking like one).

    Start holding your own ‘camp’ responsible for their behavior…and I’ll get on my ‘camp’ for their behavior. Maybe we can find these ‘gentlemen and ladies, again.

  • Driver

    Agree. It’s the cause and effect due to feminism.

    Women have spouted (for decades) about how their strong and independent (they don’t need a man). So the outcome is men meeting these “empowered” women (unless something is broken or heavy – then they need that man) trying to figure out ‘what the hell do you want, then?’.

    Women (today) want their cake and eat it, too. Many have been brainwashed by the Sex in the City philosophy of ‘having it all’ only to find out later (35 usually) that it’s not true…but by then…who wants them.

  • Driver

    Men are constantly talking about many issues effecting men today. Much of it has to do with self improvement.

    It’s funny, because I never hear women talking about it. It’s always about how it’s the man’s fault. Women wanted everything that a man has and when they actually get it…they are still unhappy.

    Men are logical. We will analyze a situation or process to see how it can be fixed (or done in a better way). Women will constantly tear men (and other women) apart versus actually admitting self improvement.

    I see and hear it constantly. I’m always working on myself (to be a better person). Women will sit around constantly bitch when things are going their way…plus back stab each other. It’s vicious and it’s the truth (believe it or not). See any corporate office or office setting for a small example.

  • l jess

    and society spirals ever downward – It would be nice to live in a society where people were respected and acted in ways to deserve the respect – Mgtow is growing fast because there is no sign of a society that respects marriage and humans – men and women will never be equal but we can be complementary – each side filling in the holes of the other to make a strong family unit – the real trick is to stay with it because everyone falls down some – stay together unless it is a really grievous cause as adultery or severe physical damage. Unfortunately, I do not see that happening in this system – too many are not happy with a little happiness – they want it all regardless of the cost.

  • l jess

    think you might have jumped a little before getting all the information. Some women (not all) make such good mothers that raise children that any father would be proud of – If she is one of those then perhaps her husband makes enough so that she can spend the preschool years with the children – there is time to work when children are in school.

  • Goal Sugar

    Agreed.
    1. Only in America is that women are Entitled bitches.
    2. They are damaged, psychotic and privileged
    3. Demanding whores.. which will turned into backstabbing sluts.

    these entitled fat princess want to a) pick a diamond ring b) choose a Honeymoon destination c) decide what to do and when to do it.

    They know that once married in 2-3 years they can do whatever they want… and they will threaten men as they please!

    fucking whores…

    I am not Married. But I have seen what these fat whores have done to my co-workers in California. They have taken everything from them… including dignity, because in order to Not be completely out of their children lives, they bend over and over to their master whore to allow them to see the children the worked hard for…

    Ain’t that a biacth…

    P.S. I don’t hate women… I love to pump and dumb them… I would never marry or give my prescious time to an american woman. To marry I’ll go to Latin America or Asia or Eastern Europe. Even though every slut in America will try to shame me call me names for bride order and turd wife and such… I say fuck those haters.

  • Jenny Wren

    Speaking from a personal note, I hold a position which is, indeed, traditionally male. I do have equal pay and equal responsibility. I am enlisted in the Air National Guard and work as a jet mechanic. I do a great job and have really blossomed in this position. I take a great deal of pride in my work and am rewarded the same as any of my male counterparts. Does this in any way detract from my fellows’ ability to impress me? Certainly not. Does this detract from any gentleman’s ability to impress me? Absolutely no. Perhaps I am one of the unknown “real women” believed to be nonexistent. For me, what is truly impressive is what might be called an “old fashioned gentleman” who is unafraid of the concept that I may in fact be an equal. A man that does hold doors open and pulls out chairs, who pardons himself when normal body functions occur rather than laughing at it or rating it like an immature teenager, who refrains from using profanity around his elders. In short, a man who is respectful and self-assured. He does not worry or feel offended if I pick up a tab, but appreciates my financial independence. Who knows I am with him because I *want* to be, and not because I am somehow reliant. What ever happened to courtship? So much of this new pickup culture centers on “hooking up” before even dating! When did THAT happen? How is it considered strange when a woman wants to date someone… actually date someone before hopping in the sack? Weird observations and insomniac ranting.

  • Jenny Wren

    Can it be such a surprise to you that the average woman in America is losing sight of the value of courtship, honesty, equal giving, and relationships in general? With the rise of the “pump and dump” practice and the popularity of the pickup artist culture there are more and more males leaving a bad taste in the mouths of women in America – literally and figuratively. If this type of guy has access especially to young women newly entering the dating scene and right out of the gate she meets a pump and dump player, her opinion of males in generalgoes quickly south. She will see nothing wrong with using males from that point on to suit her advantage. After all… if males made use of her… why shouldn’t she? And as for our young men? They fare no better. The males on this site and many others like it are largely at an age where they may soon become fathers. They as a generation (by and large – nothing is 100%) have been spending their time and effort on learning how to bang a girl and, eventually, try tp appear as marriage material after acting like a frat boy for the majority of their existence.

    What if there is a better way? What if, as a culture, we began to teach our children the value of being more than male or female? What if we began to instill the value of being a lady? Of being a gentleman? Unfortunately for Roosh V and other PUA like him, they would take a LOT less money from the pockets of the masses. We – women and men – could strive to treat each other well, to speak our desires honestly and openly without any need for illusion or sleight of hand, and to be worthy of each other’s company, time, and respect.

    Is such a thing even possible? I’d certainly love to try. As a woman with more traditional values (will not sleep with anyone if I’m not in a committed long term relationship with them, get dressed up sexy but modest for my gentleman, believe in “old school” values) I feel I am already bucking the status quo a bit. Can we come together and do more? Can we agree to return to the values of our grandparents’ generation while recognizing and adapting to the changing world around us? The era of the single-income household has faded into economic downturn, so women will have to share roles in the workforce to support a family unit. Can we get past that?

    I’m not asking any of this to be sarcastic or facetious. This is a real question. This is a call to arms to every person reading this. Yes, things are all screwed up. Who is willing to help try and fix them?

  • Jenny Wren

    What I can’t figure out is… what happened? When did “pump and dump” become a thing in the first place? When did it become popular or even acceptable to devalue another human being and then complain when the values of that being change accordingly? And… can this mess be fixed?

  • l jess

    I wish I had good answers for you – It may have started with the pill – the idea that sex was free and love not necessary – unfortunately (please check out what I say with an open mind – it is what I have found out through research) feminism told women that they can have all the partners they want young – get your degree in college – play around but do not have children until later – have you heard that 80% of women chase 20% of men during this time – the other 80% learn to stop being nice and play the game – pump and dump is born – women waiting for 35 – 40 also means men go to 35 – 40 also – It is an ugly mess and people want everyone else to change – I do not know if there is a group of women similar to the group of men called MGTOW – some are quasi – pick up artists, but many just look at the mess and walk away – never to bother again – – perhaps you can enlighten me with what you know and see?

  • Driver

    I don’t know what the fuck you’re complaining about…again. It’s women who promote going out and having their sexual freedom…not men. Many men want women who are traditional. That fact is that many women want it both ways…they want to be strong and independent and have traditional ways. No one can have it all…and if you think you can you truly are delusional.

    You need to get together with your other female counterparts and start shaming women (not men) for the climate, today.

    Women want everything and if you don’t agree to those terms then you are considered ‘wrong’. That’s just bullshit.

  • Jenny Wren

    As for me, I tend to defer to the wisdom of the Dalai Lama… “Be the change you want to see in the world.” Shaming in general serves no one. By engaging in the process of shaming, the active individual only serves to seem aloof, arrogant, and presumptuous. By developing standards for my own behavior and holding myself to those standards at all times, I prove myself worthy of a gentleman. What concerns me is the number of guys on here who boast the value of their own promiscuity while demeaning women who walk the same path and then lamenting the fact they can’t seem to get/find a “traditional woman” with principles. This is just as illogical as a woman who chooses to be promiscuohs but laments at not being able to find a “nice, traditional guy”. Neither the promiscuous male, nor the promiscuous female should be surprised when they attract a similar partner. It is just as you say, Driver… you really can’t have it all. No one, male OR female, can have it all.

  • Jenny Wren

    Sadly, the issue seems to be deeply ingrained in a number of aspects in society… and lies equally in both genders. Everything from tv, movies, advertisements, music, and truly every other aspect of culture seems to thrive on the drama dichotomy. Whereas once tv celebrated the strong family unit – however it was put together – no we see the advent of reality tv trash selling sex in game-show glitter, daytime talk sensationalizing paternity tests and shattered partnerships. Ads geared towards women stress the absolute necessity for a sexualized appearance – Why be a kitten when you can be a tigress? The same is true for men. Look at any commercial for Axe body spray. Just buy this product and you’ll have all the throwaway women you could ever want! Our entire culture seems to be geared towards instant gratification – and also instand disposability. Whereas our depression era peers knew the value of things and of relationships – working to repair rather than discard – we are trained from birth to use and discard… Everything is expendable.

    The question I keep agonizing over is what we can do as individuals to change something as daunting as an entire culture. I don’t have all the answers, but I am willing to listen, to learn, to contribute, and to try.

  • Jenny Wren

    What, out of curiosity, would you define as a quality experience? Would you, who seems to value the no strings hookup, be willing to wait if a woman wanted to take things slow? Would you truly find value in a woman who wasn’t so eager to hop into bed with you, or would you, like so many others, merely label her as a frigid prude or ice queen and move on to the next warm and eager bit of flesh? If you would be willing to treat a woman with gentility and act as a strong, considerate partner, then why all the pump and dump? If you would not, but rather expect an immediate or even rapid physical encounter, can you be surprised when you find the quality you seek? I am not seeking to argue, feed trolls, or stir the pot. This is a genuine curiosity.

    Women in modern culture often find themselves confused when so often, we feel the expectation to be both slut and saint.

  • Jenny Wren

    Charlotte Allen is wrong. For those of us who desire equality (yes, the genders are biologically different, but equality in that one is not superior or inferior to the other) there is the reaponsibility to accept equal responsibilities. The next time I am in theater with my unit, I will keep your words in my thoughts – and I will feel a deeper pride in knowing I have done my share.

  • John Rogers

    Any real message you had was lost in the hateful language.

  • John Rogers

    the blonde girl at 1:00 doing her squid dance definitely wouldn’t have made you wait

  • Driver

    That’s great advice…make sure you take it to the other side and set the women straight (not the men). Men are constantly taking the ‘heat’ because women don’t want to be held accountable.

    Many women only want the upside of ‘equality’ (i.e equal pay for work) but the court system, today, automatically sides with women.

    Good men are out there….women just keep walking by them. I don’t know how many times (in my 20s and 30s) I’ve heard such nonsense “Where are all the good men?”. Women make bad choices and they end up with “bad men”.

    Start holding your own side accountable and preach to them……we’ve been working day and night (on my side) to fix the problem.

    Here’s an interesting experiment – Take all of the men out of the equation (say an office environment). How long do you thing it will be until the women start tearing into each other?

  • CSM-1000

    Take all the men suddenly out of society and in a week it will collapse right back down to the stone age. ’nuff said.

  • Jenny Wren

    Hahaha… oh, the women hear it too, believe me. I don’t reach out to them on this venue simply due to limited audience, but I do reach out. This is a human issue, not limited to either gender. Now, granted, I don’t reach out with shaming or lecturing. I tend to prefer posing questions and pointing out my own observations. I personally do all I can to avoid the court system. During my own divorce (due to his repeated infidelity and severe mismanagement of my finances while I was away at Basic Military Training) I went as far as to tolwrate a two year separation period to acquire a “no fault” divorce because I didn’t believe two grown people needed their hands held by an outside power to come to an accord. Granted, I lost a very large portion of my savings and entire sign on bonus fixing his error, but I didn’t see how a childish legal battle would improve the situation. In any case, tangent aside, I feel like there is a real possibility of open discourse here and would very much like to see if we can’t come together as intelligent human beings and put some reason to this mess… maybe even come up with some strategies to encourage a cultural shift.

    It seems the men here value a traditional woman, but define this as a woman who will give without expectation of reciprocity. The women mentioned seem to want a “good man” without expectation of personal responsibility. There is a great disparity on both sides which prevents an evenly cooperative relationship from developing.

    Let’s try this as a starting point… What are five qualities in an ideal partner and what do you believe is fair to offer in return? I would be happy to continue this discussion on another venue if you feel that would be easier, but I would like to hear from the group as well.

  • Jenny Wren

    We need… really need… the contributions of both genders. I know there are many soap-boxing on both sides decrying this as false, but if we wish to move forward as a society we need (all of us) to get past this “us and them” idea. If we don’t, the Stone Age will seem like a vacation. I’m tired of the war. Can’t we all, as rational beings, sit down and try reason for a change? I, for one, am ready.

  • hall

    wasn’t lost on me.

  • Painful Rectal Itch

    ‘I feel the need to point out that most women don’t *plan* on being a single mother”

    Most american women wrongly assume that being a bitch will not eventually cause alienation from their husbands causing them to give their wives the middle finger and leaving.

  • lukekilpatrick

    overall, between spain and sicily, which one would you recommend living?

  • Tim

    I bet Saville was in fucking ecstasy 😉

  • thomas

    hey roosh, you sound like charlie and alan harper, full of shit. you want the perfect female to have sex with when your a piece of shit. i’m happily married to a woman from middle east and it’s been the best years of my life. we both love and respect one another. i would die before even considering marrying either a feminist bitch american woman or a gold digging woman from eastern europe. the other problem is american men are so full of shit it stinks. their lazy, demanding, childish, self centered, don’t want to commit, just want sex, and immature assholes.

  • Jenny Brown

    Just so we’re clear… You’re praising the beauty of these women (they are beautiful), and bemoaning the values they had that are lacking in women today (their values were also beautiful, no disagreement there). But then you go on to blame this lack of modest beauty, this degradation of American women’s values (I agree by the way, although I don’t think the value degradation is limited to women…) entirely on feminism and on the women themselves? The blame solely rests on the idea that women are smart enough to have the same jobs (if they want to) and that men can raise children at home (if they want to). You blame it on the idea that women don’t belong to their fathers or their husbands, and that a woman should be able to choose what to do with her life? And you’re really bemoaning the lack of these lovely sorts of women in the video here whilst SIMULTANEOUSLY posting things –> titled “How Culture Affects Game”, “The Secret to Fast Sex”, “How to Cheat on Your Girlfriend”, and “The Secret to Getting Laid”, and you do this with a straight face? Really?

    PLEASE tell me what sort of rock has been implanted to replace where your heart used to be when it was surgically removed. Seriously. HOW DARE YOU say women are just vaginas who are too easy and that sex is too disconnected from its biological and “bonding” purposes while SIMULTANEOUSLY touting that other shit??? You hypocritical, misogynist, PIG. How do you live with yourself? HOW DO YOU LIVE WITH YOURSELF?!? making blanket statements about ALL American women like this? You and pigs like you are the ones who care about how many notches are on your belt, and then you have the fucking BALLS to blame WOMEN for putting out WHEN THAT’S WHAT YOU WANTED??? I’ll tell you what caused women to lose their class that they used to have — half of it is from feminism, yes, because their fathers forced them to stay holed up in the house, and that is no longer the case. The other half is that now women are FREE to do what they PERCEIVE THAT MEN WANT. What do you, and men all over, always whine that they want? What do they always whine that they want more of? Skinny, big-boobed, gorgeous women who are “ladies on the streets and freaks in the sheets”. So, just so we’re on the same page… YOU MEN ARE COMPLAINING BECAUSE YOU LITERALLY GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR??? Give me a fucking break!!!

    There really IS no pleasing some of you fucking men who really believe this shit! We don’t put out and men dump us because we didn’t give them pussy by their unspoken fucking magical time limit, or we do put out and we’re a worthless slut who’s nothing more than a vagina. We go to school to be smart and study and be able to have intellectual conversation and men say they want someone “feminine” instead of someone focused on intellect and achievements like a guy. So okay, then we DON’T study anything but make up and hair styles and magazine ads on acrobatics we can do to please a man in bed and we “aren’t interesting or stimulating” enough because we’re clueless and dumb and think that all that matters is sex. SHOVE YOUR MISOGYNIST BULLSHIT UP YOUR ASS YOU FUCKING PRICK!!! I feel sorry for ANY woman who has ever spread her legs for, or even had the misfortune of personally MEETING your unappreciative, objectifying ass, and any man who believes the BS you spout out of your poison fucking mouth is a whiny self-righteous asshole just like you who’s in constant pity-party mode with a superiority complex. Un-fucking-believable.

  • Anna Katherine

    Dear Author.
    I noticed in your last paragraph you talked about the moral superiority of the women of eastern europe. I am a first generation American with very strong ties to eastern europe. I have to say, however, although I agree that eastern european women get a lot of things right that American women don’t (they are usually much quieter and have a better sense of when to speak and what to say), being a woman in eastern europe is pretty awful. My cousin (a female) lives in Slovakia and I have observed that she has to deal with a lot of sexism. The same is true for my friend in Hungary. Her partner feels entitled to sex. And she complies because she is weak willed. I blame eastern european culture, which

  • terrifictm

    Roosh,

    I’m sorry to say this but you are really confused on nearly every point here! You attract what you desire (not Law of Attraction bullshit, just simply what you’re focusing on). For the past 10-15 years you have focused on getting as much poosy as you can with as many women as you can as often as you can. You have not sought anything close to a loving, caring relationship with a woman you can respect. You get what you focus on.

    Which is not to say that learning game and understanding the true nature of feminine psychology is not 100X more important today than it was then, but now knowing game is essential not just to get laid as a bachelor, but to STAY HAPPILY MARRIED!! Having had my betahood exposed to me like a hospital gown in a hurricane, I see exactly why my first wife wanted to marry me (I was putting out massive Christian alpha in a hard, hard environment, the US military), but also why I didn’t keep her all the rest of my days afterwards – I was blindsided by the shitty advice of Dobson, LaHaye, Smalley, Trent, Wheat, et al. I was the insane idiot who did the same thing over and over again and expected a different result. I just assumed I was doing it wrong! Not that the information I was acting on was totally fucked up!

    Game to me is nothing more than BEING A MAN, without apology or shame. Following you masculine instincts by doing what YOU know to be the RIGHT THING no matter what! Which is what I did in my twenties, before I got married. I had my pick of any woman I wanted and I only wanted one that most reflected my values and supported my goals. I don’t have time to go into what happened to change all that, but I CAN’T blame it on my wife – not one bit. I had an obligation to maintain my frame into marriage and I DIDN’T. My fault. My sin. My failure. She just did what women do when the MAN doesn’t provide strong vision and leadership. She DESTROYED what little I was trying to build every step of the way. Can anyone say, Shit Test?

    But I just didn’t know any of this. But I do now.

  • Ondina

    The easy man complaining about easy women. How hypocrit!

  • Joe

    Feminism started out in those days, but women as a whole were living more traditional lives, divorce was much less of an issue, women did not question their roles as supporting the men in their lives and having children.
    Women today in America are empowered and love to put men down, divorce is no fault in America, which means all a woman has to do is file the papers in court and the marriage is finished, the husband does not even have to respond. And given how the legal system treats husband as suspected abusers and deadbeats who will not support their kids, a woman can use the legal system to her advantage.
    You wonder why so many men are not even bothering with marriage or with Western women? Because they are just not worth the fucking trouble. I spend most of my time in Hungary where women still live more traditional lives, have more feminine behaviors. I could not go back to America, some of my friends back home think Hungarian women are “poor” and that is why they tend to treat me better, but that is not the truth, its the way they are brought up is very different from America.
    In America women have become increasingly masculine while men have become effeminate weaklings. Its rather sad all the sick games that women play with men to get them to spread their legs, its complete bullshit dealing with American born or women who have lived in America for a while, even foreign born women “change” once they live in the USA for a while. Environment plays a huge role here.

  • Joe

    French women are complete and utter rubbish, and are not worth the time, they are only moderately better than American women. Most of them are just as skanky, lack decent hygiene, manners, and style. The whole idea of the beautiful classy French woman is a myth today, and its very out of date. Eastern European women are a better lot in comparison. I visited France years ago, and thought it was a massive disappointment, the women were just not much fun and France is just one depressing fucked up country.
    Hungary is much better than France, the women are far more attractive on average, they have less attitude, have better hygiene and manners.
    I remember flying on a flight to the US from Europe, and a French girl put up her stinky bare feet on the back of my chair, I had to endure the rotten stench for 8 fucking hours.

  • Lester Churchill

    It’s called “epigenetics.” Societal influences create methyl groups which attach to the dna in our gametes (sperm and ova). Not all are stripped off during fertilization, and what these methyl groups do is suppress or eliminate the expressions of DNA in the child. It is the organism adjusting to its environment, you see.

    It is especially powerful with men. You see, a woman is born with all of her dna already in her ova, while men are constantly producing and reproducing their gametes- a man can be very strong, but after being stomped on and crushed by a misandric society, if he is “beaten,” he will pass that on to his offspring via the sperm that was produced after he became a beaten man.

    For women, it is the conditions of her environment while she is carrying the baby. This says a lot about the responsibilities of women in mothering and during pregnancy as much as it does about men retaining their masculinity, or regaining it before procreating.

  • Lookinfor Buford

    The question is, is she making me wait because she sees me as someone she’d like to get serious with, while she spent the 3 months before she met me banging her usual goto(s), and possibly still banging them while I ‘wait’, and play romance?

  • Jenny Wren

    You’d have to judge for yourself. Personally, I don’t have a backup bang… If I’m interested in a man, it’s a safe bet that I’ve got the blinders on. With others, this may not be the case. Most important is that you voice your needs clearly and respectfully. Then ask hers. If your needs and hers align, then romance away. An example of this would be something like “I’m really interested in getting to know you better, and I take intimacy very seriously. Would you be willing to forego other partners or hookups while we’re getting to know each other better? I would be, because I’d like to do right by you and give this a real shot.” And yes, this means actually foregoing your hookups. You will need to be honest in word and deed to be able to demand that from her. Make sense? :)

  • Lookinfor Buford

    Your advice seemingly makes all kinds of sense.. In theory. But in today’s world of technological detachment, rat race for both sexes, near infinite options for women, and societal acceptance of women playing the field, etc.. That kind of straight up just usually ends things before they have a chance to get off the ground. Honestly, it’s more effective to play aggressive and move to heavy petting quickly, so then the girl knows if she is TRULY interested in you (compared to others). I’ve lost the ‘lets be honest with each other’ battle too many times, and not necessarily because of some other guy, but because the girl gets to feeling engulfed, or sees me as clingy, etc and bails because, again, she can walk into any bar and replace my attention with that of 5 other men who ‘appear’ to be just as good.. Sad, because she’ll never know what she missed, or how good I was, because she never gave it a chance, all because of the externalities involved in the dating landscape nowadays, plus her inability to see that there’s something deeper she needs to discover about a man if she ever wants what she claims she wants (i.e. a real relationship)

  • Lookinfor Buford

    1. Fidelity/Intimacy/Honesty/Trust (all kind of go together)
    2. Commitment to relationship above all else, including career. (i.e. recognizing what’s important)
    3. Responsibility for own happiness within relationship boundaries.
    4. Uplifting laissez faire attitude toward partner

    5. Renouncement of Group Think and Consciousness Raising efforts of today’s media and organized groups with agendas (i.e. adherence to what we already know based on critical thought and empirical evidence of a lifetime)

    —————————

    .. is a good start

    Goes both ways.

  • Jenny Wren

    I will concede that technology has certainly made actual courtship much more difficult to find. With the advent, especially, of apps like Tinder where people are judged on no more than a tagline and whether or not they can take a pretty picture, the feeling of romance is a dwindling cultural memory. On the upswing, access to this technology allows two intelligent individuals who otherwise would likely never have met the chance to put their minds together to try and come up with solutions. The pump and dump culture certainly isn’t doing anything to breed desire for companionship and real intimacy… so then what? Perhaps the same technology that breeds that distance and overly casual attitude can be used as a first level screen! If you’re interested in a woman… ask her… does she even have a Tinder account? If so… bail. Id she on Facebook 24/7? Perfect! Read her feed. Is she well spoken or does she communicate in emojis and words spelled with numbers? Is she intelligent? Is she passionate about issues that matter?

    Secondly, what sort of woman are you looking for? Are you looking for the pert, sleek 20-something out partying in the bars… or a worldly, self-assured 30-something with an idea of what’s important in the long term?? A woman in the second category is much more likely to think in the more long term… instead of one weekend to the next. Be assured… the good women ARE out there… although not likely on Tinder! 😉

  • Lookinfor Buford

    Unfortunately it IS used as a first level screen in too many cases, I believe. Your example about Tinder is a good one, because that’s in the present. But, man, when there’s real chemistry between two people, does the past really matter that much? Are we all required to shove all of our past actions/words/posts in a new romantic interest’s face for qualification right up front? Do we want that? Frankly, there’s a lot of shit I don’t want to know about a chick. It’s different when we are 25, and I should state that I am in the middle-aged (40) singles market. I expect there to be things about every woman over 30 that I meet, that I would think really suck. Precisely why I don’t want to know. Ever heard the saying, “it’s not what a man has done, but who he is”? It’s about realizing that we as humans do learn from our mistakes. If there is chemistry, honesty, and likability, why would I want to dig up the dirt on her? I’m almost guaranteed to find it if I look hard enough. And she’ll find mine as well.

    Just compare it to pre-technology courtship.. do you think two 38 year-olds meeting in ’95 would have sat there and “asked” each other to reveal all the stupid things they blurted out, all their deviant behaviors, and notch counts? Hell no, they would ignore those questions like the plague because they ‘want’ to like each other.

    So, no, I think technology hurts the single male and female in a quest for a real relationship badly, while being phenomenal for encouraging a hook up culture.

    BTW, you seem like one of these ‘good’ women (of course I haven’t googled the shit out of you yet). You and I need to get together for drinks 😉

  • Jenny Wren

    First and foremost, I need to be clear that I have a sweetheart. He is a good man who trusts me completely… and I would never wish to violate that trust for any reason. On the converse, his former roommate is an avid Tinder fan and serves as a real basis for comparison. He in no way seeks any intimacy and does not function well in a traditional relationship. While some of this may have something to do with some of the unfortunate details of his past the fact remains that even for the committment-phobic who want intimacy but only in safe doses, there’s “an app for that”.

    Where screens are concerned – I’m certainly not suggesting spending hours poring over a glowing screen searching every detail of a person’s past like an agent compiling a clearance check – a quick peek is certainly advisable. If a woman speaks of traditional values and yet her profile picture is a bunch of guys in Halloween costumes digging candy out of her cleavage, her values probably aren’t what she’s claiming. Cursory glance… and that’s all.

  • Jenny Wren

    Not all that different from my list…

    1. Fidelity/honesty – honesty is the biggest part and, once trust is broken, it is hard to repair.

    2. Mutual respect – meaning he never speaks to me in a disrespectful way (degrading, shaming, passive aggressive sarcasm, etc) and I never sprak disrespectful to him. He treats me as his lady and I treat him as my gentleman.

    3. Ambition – maybe he doesn’t have a lot as far as the material goes, but he has ambitions and goals – and he’s not afraid to go for it. He has dreams and aspirations of his own, and does not fault his lady for hers.

    4. Priorities – He takes the time he needs for himself, but still makes time for his lady. On the converse, he lets his lady have her own life and interests, but will also voice his needs if she becomes too distant.

    5. Touch me – Dr. Gary Chapman wrote a book called The Five Love Languages. Turns out, my primary language is touch. This by no means that I expect my gentleman to be all over me like a porn movie pizza guy, but little gestures like a backrub, holding my hand, kisses, playful tackling… anything really… will deepen my attachment and assure I’ll be more than ready if a more intimate moment arrives.

  • BlkAV8TR

    Some of us men love the untamed bush……

  • reddbehrens

    Have you ever noticed that the only men that left wing feminists like are gay? Feminists hate masculinity and one of the goals of feminism is to destroy masculinity in the west. This article is spot on.
    Feminists have adopted the worst traits of men and many western women have completely lost what it means to be real women. Western women are becoming pale imitations of men, and they are losing out to women in non-western parts of the world. After visiting South America I will NEVER date another American woman again. I know guys who have completely given up and just use porno or go to strip clubs. BTW: Strip clubs in the U.S. don’t even compare to those in non-western countries.

  • http://alphanextdoor.com/ Chuck @alphanextdoor.com

    Agreed!

    For me a good women would be:

    1. Able to keep a healthy body weight
    2. Feminine
    3. Sane / Do note create crazy drama all the time
    4. A good lover (Understand that men need sex)

    5. Nurturing and good to raise kid
    6. Able to keep the house and herself clean
    7. Able to cook healthy food

    Even if this seem to be very basic, women who can meet more that 50% of those criteria are now almost impossible to find. In fact most women would read my list and describe me has a backward chauvinist ass-hole. Even if all those are nothing more than traditional skills and values that 90% of women, whatever the culture and location, had for the past 200000 years.

    What I would do for such a women in my life … everything and anything!!!

    Just to make it official, I do not fuck white north american women any-more. Its done, they are all banned! Their are more than enough tight Asian on the market!

  • DeltaNaught

    TL;DR

  • DeltaNaught

    And who were the absentee fathers raised by Jenny?

  • Jenny Wren

    A generation ago? Much more likely a two-parent household… however I can not speak for 100% of individuals.

  • Jenny Wren

    Are you honestly hoping to find a quality partner by creating a list of demands and qualifying those demands be met by a “tight Asian”? What about someone who loves you, and who you genuinely love in return? What about someone you enjoy talking to? Someone who stimulates you? Is it so hard to believe that when you show interest in a woman as a real and complete human being, that you just might find a real, complete human being?

  • Old guy

    You are talking in fairy tales Jenny Wren. Western women have returned to their sexual ego primacy. What you are talking about is women nearly 100 years ago. Back when they knew such behaviour made the difference between being civilised and uncivilised. Men are bowing out because they know that to join women with their unbridled sexual egos would complete the destruction of western civilisation.

  • Jenny Wren

    Sir, please understand I am not in any way condoning the “pump and dump” or “f*#^ and chuck” culture, however men are not by and large bowing out. When women notice men utilizing the cultural terms I mentioned above, and we hear phrases like “Why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free?” the large scale response is to repeat actions in kind (“Why keep a pig if you just want a little sausage?” being an oft heard phrase). What I was trying to learn from Chuck is whether or not he believes he will find a suitable partner / wife with the bullet point checklist and requirement of vaginal status / race. Even if he finds exactly that woman and she genuinely cares for him, how would she likely feel knowing the connection was in no way tied to who she was as a complete person; to her dreams, goals, her ideas. If it were me, I would be sick to my core. I am lucky in that I do have a wonderful gentleman who cares very deeply for me, as I do for him. Neither one of us will ever have to worry about infidelity or dishonesty, as our relationship is built upon mutual respect. He cares for me, even with the simple gestures like brewing a cup of coffee in the Keurig every morning I wake up there – even though he doesn’t drink coffee. I care for him, likewise, even in the little gestures like bringing him a cold beer and a hot meal when he’s working on his laptop. There are other instances from both sides, but I’ll spare the details. This type of relationship (and yes, built by the type of people he and I are) is attainable, but ONLY with mutual trust, respect, and connection.

    I don’t believe this type of connection is possible when a person’s partner is nothing more than a list of traits without personality. I suppose I’m just posing the question because I find it difficult to understand.

  • Jenny Wren

    Buford – I couldn’t remember if I had responded to you or not regarding your offer for drinks. That really sounds enjoyable, since we’d probably have an incredible conversation about all this craziness going on between our respective genders, however I have been seeing a wonderful gentleman for about a year now and I’m not sure how he’d feel about it. If you wouldn’t mind him coming along, I’d be happy to have a brew with you. I know that sounds overly cautious, and perhaps it is, but especially lately with the crowd who reads Roosh, I have to take an extra measure of caution. RooshV just posted an article the other week stating it should be legal to rape a woman as long as she’s on your private property. Of course I know not everyone on here is a rapist, but most guys on here seem to take Roosh’s word as gold. I hope you understand.

  • Formerly known as Buford

    Oh Jen-ayy, how nice of you to think of me again :) Well thank you for the offer.. but what are the odds we’re even in the same part of the country? I’m in south Texas. You anywhere close to that?

    Now, of course you could bring your man, and I’d be just fine with that, on one condition.. you must bring a mildly attractive single female with you as well.. I am single after all 😛 I’ve got the first two rounds!

  • Jenny Wren

    Ahh, yeah that is a ways. I’m out in West Virginia right near Maryland, unfortunately, but should you ever find yourself out on this part of the East Coast, I’m sure my sweetheart and I could introduce you to a few fantastic pubs and night spots… and I’m sure I could introduce you to a single lady or two. Just bear in mind most of my friends are like minded and share most of my ethics, so the odds of a one-nighter are fairly slim.

  • Formerly known as Buford

    Have they ever met a tall Texan southern gentleman? lol.. They might just find they don’t stand a chance. :)

  • Jenny Wren

    I’m not sure how many have… and you never know, I suppose!

  • Joseph Dickerson

    Those qualities are present in less than 10 percent of the current American female population. And unfortunately things have gotten so bad that any traditional notion of women is seen as chauvinist and mysoginistic.
    Feminists are absurd, and that might be an understatement.

  • terri
  • confused

    But if you’re trying to find a one-night stand, why even have standards relating to personality or being motherly or anything related to that?

  • Confused

    But if you’re trying to find a one-night stand, why even have standards relating to personality or being motherly or anything related to that?

    P.S. Why was my initial post deleted? I’m actually quite confused and would like a response.

  • Confused!!

    But if you’re trying to find a one-night stand, why even have standards relating to personality or being motherly or anything related to that?

    PS. TWICE Deleted!

  • john03063

    Those qualities should be the woman’s dream and goal! I’m not saying that women should be barefoot and pregnant. I have no problem with them being educated and holding a job. But I do have a problem when their career interferes with their primary duty: to their man and family. Men are simple creatures: feed us, sex us, look good for us and take care of our house and children and we’ll gladly open the vault for you. Quid pro quo. But since the gynocentric system feminists have created has become so good at extracting money from us at every turn, women don’t feel like they have to do anything anymore. That – plus the points made by Roosh in this article – are very accurate explanations as to why the marriage rate is plummeting in the US.

  • Jenny Wren

    You are absolutely correct in that the marriage rate is plummeting. The thing that stood out to me from your discourse is that you view the primary role of a woman as mother to children and caretaker to men (as evidenced by your belief that a career somehow interferes with the primary role). What about women who don’t want children… or those who are unable to either conceive or carry? Do you feel this choice or this physical condition makes a woman somehow less of a woman? It seems to me that there are many men who also do not wish to have (or are likewise unable to create) children. Also, it saddens me a bit to hear so many men who believe all we want from a man is money. Someone who exchanges their intimate company for money is a prostitute by definition, and not a part of a relationship (assuming that she is in the relationship for monetary gain). The converse is also true – in that men who only enter into relationships for sex are, by definition, a John. What, also, about the men who choose to stay home and raise children while their wife works? I know a few folks in this scenario who are in very happy, fulfilled relationships and marriages. I suppose I’m just trying to get a clearer picture of where you’re coming from.

  • Jenny Wren

    Joseph – I don’t believe wanting any set of qualities in a partner is misogynistic in any way. I think the problem arises when it is suggested that *all* women should think, act, look, or believe a certain way. This is as ridiculous as thinking all men should fall into a set mold. Myself, I prefer a gentleman who is both masculine and gentle but is not challenged by my abilities or skills. Likewise, I am a lady who can be incredibly feminine and makes a concerted effort to keep up my appearance, show pride in my partner, support his dreams and aspirations, and shower him with affection. The type of woman I am succeeded in attracting the type of man I prefer, and I am blessed to have him in my life. Is this making sense? If I went out clubbing every night in short skirts with too much makeup, he would never have given me the time of day. However, without those kind of women it is highly unlikely the one night stand would even exist… so there are men who desire that type of woman. Likewise I would never give the kind of man who would go after that type of woman the time of day. Yes, the traditional, 1940s type of woman is a rare bird indeed, but real gentlemen are equally rare, thus competition is few. Likewise there are an abundance of “players” out there… provided for by a plethora of one-night-stand ready women. It’s supply and demand. The angry “feminists” you see so often are surprisingly frequently women who are feeling hurt by the high percentage of players vs a low percentage of those who appreciate strong or empowered women. Just as most men are happiest when they feel like they have accomplished something they can be proud of, so do most (but of course not all) of the most vocal “feminists” ache for a partner who will take pride in her agency and ability, and support her dreams so she can feel free to support her partner. When a woman is made to feel like her skills or abilities are devalued, she feels devalued as well. Is any of this making sense?

  • john03063

    I understand that there are some men and women who are physically unable to have children. And I truly hope that those people can find a partner who can accept their condition. But I do not understand anyone who chooses not to have children. If everyone in the world felt that way – especially in the developed world where birth control is readily available – the human race would die out pretty fast. And since women control reproduction then yes – I think that a woman who chooses not to have children is less of a woman. She will not be considered good wife material to the vast majority of men out there. Men bring resources to the marriage and women bring the guarantee of sexual access and children. That’s been the essence of the marriage contract for thousands of years. But things have changed a lot since the advent of no-fault divorce and the explosive growth of the gynocentric legal system we have. Women have absolute control over reproductive rights and sexual access irregardless of the man’s desires. but men are still required to support – in almost all instances. In the past, a man was free to dissolve the marriage if the wife was barren or refused sex. Or in cases of alleged abuse or abandonment, the party wishing to dissolve the marriage had to prove their case before a judge. No more. No-fault divorce turns the marriage into a business arrangement which always benefits the spouse who earns less money in case of divorce: the woman in most cases. And women seem far to eager to dissolve marriages and destroy families – they file for divorce in 75% of cases – because they know they will get the children and they know they can leverage the power of the state (either through social and support programs – financed primarily by men – or direct servitude against the man – child support and alimony) to provide for their every need. As far as house husbands go – I disagree with your assertion that these marriages are totally happy and fulfilled. Changing gender roles goes counter to thousands of years of biological programming. The marriage may survive, but I doubt that each partner feels totally fulfilled.

  • john03063

    It all makes sense. Women can do what women want to do. But men can too. I’m happy that you and your husband mesh so well, but your marriage is the exception rather than the rule. Men have endured 40 years of feminist dogma that has gotten more and more militant over the years. If you want to understand who men feel the way the do just walk down any city street on a warm summer day. The vast majority of women are not physically attractive. The’re overweight, dressed horribly, short hair, etc. Oh – and I almost forgot the bitchy, self entitled attitude. Now mix in the awareness that a majority of US marriages end in divorce, with 75% of those divorces initiated by women. She will get half of the marital assets (that she may have done nothing to help acquire), the children, alimony and child support, etc. Man can’t pay? lost his job? There is a very real chance that he will be thrown in jail to enforce compliance. We abolished debtor’s prisons hundreds of years ago – except for that debt. Oh yeah – sign me up for that program! This stuff is always in the back of men’s minds. It doesn’t matter how well they get along, relate, etc. And it doesn’t matter how much he appreciates her or she appreciates him. If the marriage falls apart – for any reason – she will want it all. And in many cases she gets it all. So men are reacting the only way they can: they are either withdrawing from marriage (MGTOW, PUA, porn, video games, etc.) or they are insisting on the perfect sex toy (if the marriage is ultimately doomed, at least they get some awesome sack time for a while). The marriage rate has never been so low, and no one is having kids inside marriage anymore. Men do not want to participate in this type of society. Sad. But I don’t think anything will really change until the government realizes this because of a precipitous drop in tax revenue, or when they run out of men to extract money from in the form of child support and alimony. Then maybe something will be done – by government and women – about the abhorrent way men are treated in this country.

  • Jenny Wren

    Perhaps I am deriving more from my own experiences than from those of the negative population. I truly believe we are, at least in part, judged by the company we keep, so the bitchy, self-entitled women you speak of simply aren’t a part of my social circle. I have, sadly, seen more than my share of entitled, morally bankrupt men. My sweetheart and I are not married, but have been dating each other on and off for the last 14 years. Seems like no matter what happens in either of our lives, we return to each other. I have been married and am now divorced… after being cheated on with no real effort toward subtlety when I was away at Air Force Basic Training. As a result, it does take me a longer amount of time to trust. I did divorce him, but don’t like the idea of a messy custody battle over assets… even though he blew $14k of money i had earned to set up a recording studio in his basement. (He turned out to be a real gem). I chose to cut my losses and leave with what was left of my dignity. Again… drawing on personal experience rather than making assumptions about lives I haven’t lived. Would I marry my current sweetheart? Yes. However it has taken 14 years of knowing him for me to be comfortable with the idea of giving marriage another shot. He has proven himself unimpeachably honest and honorable without fail. As for short hair? Don’t be so quick to knock it! My gentleman, for example, is very much aroused by short haired women… so I had mine cut very similarly to Audrey Hepburn in her role in the movie Sabrina. (Adorable film, by the way, for a “chick flick”). At any rate, the long and short solution is to decide what it is you desire in a partner, align your actions and behavior in such a way as to be worthy of that sort of woman, and set about separating the wheat from the chaff. If a woman does not meet the standards you have set about assuring you are worthy of expecting, then don’t give her the satisfaction of tour attentions. Best of luck, dear! I have all the hope in the world for you.

  • Jenny Wren

    Certainly true that if everyone in the world decided against having children that our population would indeed decline to dangerous levels… However the converse is also true. If everyone decided to have many children, then we as a species would overpopulate and likely starve. There is a reason we hunt deer to keep the population of deer healthy. Overbreeding can be just as dangerous as refraining. I am sorry you feel like women who choose not to have children are inherently less womanly. I suppose it also follows that you find men who do not wish to father children to be less manly. The thing is, there are many men who do not desire children… so if all women who were able to birth them did want them, then it would follow that some men would need to inevitably be tricked or trapped somehow into fathering them in the confines of a marriage. This doesn’t seem either honest or proper to me. It seems the best and logical 5hing would be if each partner were honest with his or her desires up front, so the other partner could make an informed and educated decision on whether or not to continue in a given relationship. For example, my boyfriend and I both would like 2 children in the future. I know that ahead of time, and therefore see no issue in continuing a relationship. If he wanted a high number of children or none at all I could decide for myself whether or not I wanted to continue the relationship. This is how open and honest communication of needs works. As far as women having control over sexual access regardless of a man’s desire? This is the nature of consent. Just as it is the right of a man with a lower sex drive than his female partner to decline if he is not “in the mood”. Believing that it is only one sided, that the male naturally always has a higher sex drive, is a fallacy of logic. Being the more sex-driven partner on my own relationship, it saddens me to see my wonderful gentleman feeling badly about himself because he feels like society expects him to be horny 24/7 sickens me. I NEVER want him to feel less of himself for any reason, least of all related to sex drive. Because he is still the one who hung the moon, who holds my heart, I am therefore understanding of his desires and temper my overbearing drive to meet his. This has nothing at all to do with male or female. This is simply what a truly loving and empathetic partner does. To feel slighted or offended by a partner whose passions may not run as hot as your own is simply selfishness.

    Finally, with regards to happiness and fulfillment… thesr things are subjective by their very definition. To presume to know what fulfills someone or makes them happy is no more than arrogance. It truly does take all kinds.

  • Joseph Dickerson

    Modern feminism has fucked up men for the worse, most young men are confused and most are emasculated. I get depressed when I see young men who seem confused and lack no confidence in a society that places women above men, which is America in 2015, and most Western nations are the same.
    I am glad I got to experience a different type of social paradigm where men got to be men, because the men of today are a complete joke, and quite a few already notice this. I normally do not talk to feminists. You will probably react in a hateful way like some Nazi towards my views but those are my feelings on the matter.

  • Jenny Wren

    Actually, I share a good portion of your sentiment. Modern “feminism”, at least the version you’re discussing, is little more than misandry. The true and original intent of the feminist movement was to insure women were not being denied the opportunities afforded to others simply on the basis of gender. This largely revolved around the right to vote and to work. Now, with a goal much less directly attainable (to be viewed as more than sex object, to walk alone at night or talk to a guy without the fear of rape) the reaction of many of these noveau-feminists is to simply develop an us and them mentality, marking men as the enemy. This position is strengthened by the MRA and PUA subcultures which seem to encourage treating women as conquests, sex objects, and enemies when they do not comply. What it comes down to is a further strengthening the us and them mentalities. Why would a man want to respect or protect a woman if his aim is to fuck her and leave? Why would a woman want to be faithful and honorable after running across this type of guy? She becomes jaded and gives into the attitudes of the “all for me” club and meets a decent guy. Why would this respectful and faithful man want to continue positive behavior when he runs across this type of woman? Truly, it’s a vicious cycle with victims and perpetrators on both sides. The real questuon is… Is it too late for our genders to work together to try and undo this damage? If not… what can we do?

  • Darren Fox

    Are you INSANE?! Women, especially western women, all have a huge list of demands for their men. 1) He MUST have a good, respectable job. 2) He must be clever, handsome, buff, funny, and entertaining at all times (Girl logic lumps this into one criteria) 3) He must be able to know exactly what I want at all times without my ever telling him. 4) He must excuse any sort of irrational behavior on my part, simpy because “I’m right, even when I’m wrong”. 5) He must be a real man, yet simultaneously submit to my will on all things. 6) He must grant me every wish I ask of him, yet still respect my “independence”. 7) He must let me pay for the check at restaurants. AND SO ON.

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  • Jenny Wren

    Wow… Darren. I’m truly sorry this has been your experience. Sounds to me like you need to start interacting with a better class of people. Having a job of some kind has become a requirement for me over the years, admittedly, but not so my gentleman can pay for me all the time. Because I hold down a respectable job and am able to support myself I expect a partner that does the same. This is so as to assure that I am not responsible for his bills as well as my own. (Been there. Got taken for a ride big time). Also, I like very much to be able to treat my guy to dinner, to a day at the range, to a concert, whatever… and he appreciates that because he is able to do the same for me when he wants to. It’s not a requirement or expectation, so it’s much more enjoyable for me to pick up the tab.The whole funny, buff, entertaining thing? I do appreciate that my gentleman takes care of his body, but he appreciates that I keep myself up as well. I’m absolutely over the moon for him, so naturally I think of him as charming, to say the least. We spent hours last night hanging masonite and working on projects, and I had a blast just listening to music with him and being able to help. Doesn’t seem like asking too much. On the converse, I’d be willing to wager if I was charmless – tedious to speak to, demanding, nagging, etc that he would very quickly lose interest. As for 3? Neither of us are psychcic. I don’t expect or want him to try to “just know”. Open and honest discourse is far preferable. 4. Irrational or illogical behavior? I don’t want an excuse!! I want a guy that will call me out in a respectful way and am lucky enough to have that. Excusing irrationality only encourages irrationality as a habit. No thanks! 5. Masculine and self assured, yes, but equality is far preferable to submission. I don’t indulge him in all things and he doesn’t indulge me in all things, however both of us enjoy the indulgences we grant. 6. He appreciates when I treat, but it is not set in stone that I have to. If he wants to pay, he’s free to, but he knows I like spoiling him on occasion!

    Maybe I’m the weirdo. That does seem to be the consensus… However I’m sure there must be more women out there who feel this way too. I wish you all the luck in the world finding the one who makes your heart sing. :)

  • john03063

    I agree that, in certain circumstances, there are couples who will deviate from the norm. And I will say that you are a rare find indeed if you truly feel the way you do about your man and your relationship. But looking at society as a whole, most relationships are not as good as yours. I do agree that a man who chooses to not have children is not as much of a man. There is only one primary function of any form of life: to reproduce. Those that choose to not reproduce are not fulfilling their basic, primal requirement as a participant in the living planet. And let’s think about money too: what happens to the various social protection programs (I’m thinking Social Security, but there are others) if people do not have children to support those programs? I think it a little selfish if a person collects benefits without providing future wage earners to support the system in the future. I agree that consent is a reasonable requirement for sexual access today, but what about consent for the man too? I’m thinking about situations where a woman gets pregnant without the man’s consent (“of course I’m on the pill!”) or maybe even without the man’s knowledge (“sperm diving” – when a woman impregnates herself with the contents of a recently discarded condom). Why should he be required to support a child he never consented to conceiving? Or why should he be required to support a child that isn’t his unless he consents to supporting that child? It happens all the time. With power comes responsibility. Those that enjoy the power also must bear the responsibility of their incorrect decisions. But that’s not what happens.

  • Jenny Wren

    I absolutely agree that if a woman lies about being on birth control or “sperm dives” that it creates a tricky situation. Having unprotected sex does mean accepting a certain level of risk, as even the best non-permanent birth controls can fail. “Sperm diving” can be easily eliminated by rinsing out a condom with hot water before discarding, if this is a concern, or keeping a ziplock handy and discarding any used condoms away from the female partner. I know this sounds extreme, but the other option is to refrain from sex with a woman you are averse to impregnating. This sounds less practical, given modern attitudes.

    As for my relationship, yes, from what I can tell it is out of the norm. For this I am immensely grateful and I do realize how lucky I am. That said, I certainly refuse to believe that this type of mutually respectful relationship is impossible to find.

    Regarding men who choose to abstain from fathering children, I absolutely believe there are some who made a wise choice. In the argument of Nature vs Nurture, I believe Nature and genetics does play a large part. My parents were unable to conceive and so both my sister and I are adopted (from different families). Though raised in the same environment by the same people, we couldn’t be more different. Noting that, men who have genetic traits which are undesirable (like a major heart defect, severe mental or physical abnormalities) and opt against reproduction make sense to me. The same holds true for women who recognize a flaw in their genetics which would likely pass to future generations. There are certainly enough people pushing out babies like it’s their job to more than balance out the equation in my mind. With shows highlighting “Octomom” or the Duggar family (19 kids?) I have little doubt the population will continue to thrive even to a frightening surplus regardless of those who opt against. For me the biggest thing of importance is finding a relationship where the desires of both partners align.

  • john03063

    Tricky situation? disagree. Not tricky at all. If a woman lies about birth control or “sperm dives” then whatever happens is her fault and she should bear the entire responsibility for the pregnancy and costs of raising the child. Yes – there is always a risk of birth control failure. But in these cases she exposes the man to a risk that he did not know about – therefore could not consider when he decides to engage in sex. I would go even further and say that any birth control failure is the fault of the woman. After all – she is the only one that can positively say that there is adequate protection or not. Most birth control methods are controlled by the woman, and the only one that is available to the man is easily seen by the woman; she can decide if the condom is adequate, properly worn and fitted, etc. And the woman is the one who is saddled with pregnancy and childbirth if the method fails, so she has a bigger stake in the outcome of the sexual encounter. Women have all the power when it comes to sex and reproduction – and with power should come responsibility. But that’s not what happens right now. Change the laws so that men are not financially responsible for children they didn’t consent to conceiving (or children that are not theirs – I think paternity testing should be mandatory) and watch the rate of unintended or accidental pregnancy plummet.

  • Jenny Wren

    Even if a woman lied or sperm dove, there is very little chance of proving it. It would wind up being her word vs yours and in the law’s eyes the only provable thing is the parentage of the existing child. In the cases of birth control failure, unless the guy is totally clueless about birth control (in which case he is likely far to irresponsible to be having sex anyway, given the availability of information online) the guy is well aware of the possibility of failure. Some men have even been known to poke holes in condoms in an effort to intentionally impregnate a woman. If laws no longer held men responsible the wise course for women would be to use the only 100% effective birth control… abstinence. Just as women understand the risk of a condom breaking could allow the transmission of a STD/STI, so too do men understand the risk of pregnancy (unless they’re complete idiots). If that risk is not acceptable, then either don’t engage in sex or have a vasectomy performed. There’s a reversible variety.

  • john03063

    ohhh Jenny – you’re starting to sound like a feminist! Suggesting that the man has to solve this problem by getting a vasectomy is decidedly feminist. Surgery? Why is it always his problem to solve? It’s much less intrusive to both parties if the woman simply says no. There can’t be an unintended pregnancy if there is no intercourse. He said vs. she said can easily be handed. California did it with the “yes means yes” law. I’m sure you’re in favor of that law, because in a he said – she said situation the woman will always win. A hole poked in a condom is pretty easy to prove – but of course it means that the woman has to take responsibility for saving the condom (and not poking holes in it herself!). And I disagree that women would have to be 100% abstinent if the laws were changed, but what they would have to do is take responsibility for their sexual access (or better yet – withhold sex entirely until they are in a mutually monogamous relationship – preferably married). If women simply closed their legs more often, there would be greatly reduced need for birth control or vasectomies – lowered STI’s – the benefits are endless! And I disagree with your inference that the laws are adequate. There are far too many women out there who have children only because they have no worries about supporting them. They can depend on the power of the state (either through social / support programs available that are primarily financed by men, or direct servitude against the man – it’s called child support and alimony) to provide for their every need. Man can’t pay? he gets thrown in jail. I though we abolished debtor’s prisons hundreds of years ago? And with no-fault divorce, the woman can have it all simply by telling the judge that the marriage is broken. She doesn’t even need to give a reason! No wonder over 50% of the marriages in the US end in divorce, with the woman initiating the action 75% of the time. Makes me sick.

  • Jenny Wren

    Be careful, John! I’m not too sure the idea of women keeping their legs perpetually closed before marrriage is going to sit too well with the general populous here! As for myself, I do keep my knees tight outside of a mutually monogamous relationship where the discussion of children has already occurred… but then I’m also 33. Not quite a kid anymore! As for the yes means yes laws and ideas, of course I am in favor, but there again comes the burden of proof. How can a woman prove she didn’t say yes if there was no one else in the room? Women must take the needed measures of caution to try and avoid consequences, just as men must. If a 15 minute outpatient procedure is what a man might want to ease his mind and avoid unwanted pregnancies, then it is an option he should consider. If avoiding sexual contact outside of a relationship where kids would be a consideration is what will ease his worry, then that is what he should consider. The balance of risk weighs, obviously, on both parties. Open and honest discussion, uncomfortable as it may be from time to time, is absolutely necessary to maintain an open, honest encounter – whether in the bounds of a relationship or otherwise. Just as not all men are out there to rape us women, not all women are out there to trap you men. There are rapists out there, and there are trappers. We as sensible human beings must take what precautions we can to avoid those negative sorts of people, but just as you can’t unrape someone, untrapping someone can be equally difficult. It saddens me that as a culture, we must contend with these bad elements, but sadly we must.

  • SadToSay

    Yea, they really do suck these days.

  • davidlaska

    I believe a man should have a list of minimum standards for a mate or just get a ‘guy friend’ ( they are more reliable). 精彩的!

  • davidlaska

    If women did not have a Vagina and/or produce kids, why would I bother seeking companionship with her? I might as well have a male friend without the sex and/or adopt.

  • Jenny Wren

    Minimum standards are a given for anyone seeking a relationship… however these standards generally relate to personality, morals, commonalities, behaviors, etc. If the minimum standard includes a tight vagina, there are only two ways to determine if a prospective partner meets that criteria… asking or finding out on your own. If, as many men on here state, you are looking for a woman with traditional values who exhibits feminine, traditional womanly qualities then very likely she will be offended by a direct and brazen line of questioning. If she lets you find out, she may be dismayed to find you place her in the pump and dump category. This sort of activity is generally appalling to the more traditionally minded women and may give her cause to reevaluate her value system. Just food for thought.

  • Jenny Wren

    Well… I can think of a number of reasons, but we may or may not have the same priorities. I’m 33. For me, I enjoy companionship with my sweetheart for a lot of reasons not related to childbearing. He is my hiking / exercise buddy and encourages me as I encourage him. We push ourselves. We reward each other with kisses and congratulations. He is my shooting partner. Day dates to the gun range and lunch after is somehow more richly enjoyed with a romantic partner – again, because our mutual encouragement can take the form of physical embraces. Light hearted bets can be an exciting addition as well. (Everything from “If I hit more clays, you’re getting dinner. Or.. If you shoot a perfect 25 I’ll give you road head on the way home” Innocent to lascivious. Couldn’t do that with just a buddy) We cuddle on the couch, work on the garden… whatever. It seems every aspect of my life is richer and more vibrant for having him there… and no, we haven’t made any babies as yet. Fast forward to much later life. I see my grandparents, with no kids to raise, still enjoying shared company. She still holds his hand and he still tells her she’s beautiful. If it were only about making babies, there’d be no reason to care too much about each other before or after.

  • Lamarcus

    Men are, indeed, bowing out in drones. You don’t have to be search-engine-savvy to find it all over the Internet.

    Having said that I don’t agree with Chuck or his list either. Then again he represents a much smaller # of the male population and is not the type you should be worried about.

    Most good men want equal value and trust in their relationships and the honest truth is, that fairness has disappeared in/with American (western) women.

    You want to talk about lists? Do you even social media? It is filled (to the brim) with memes and quotes and pictures with lists…… lists of what a man should give to a woman (not the reverse); lists of what a woman should not put up with in a man (not the reverse); lists of how to tell if a man is worthy (not the reverse).

    What you are seeing from Chuck and many younger males (30 and below) is a “enough is enough” attitude. It’s backlash; it’s rebellion. Women will call it anything but that in order to preserve their false sense of the world. They will say there are no more men, they will say childish or chauvinistic… anything o make it mens fault.

    And the longer women in America lie to themselves about the causes, the longer the trend will continue. Women’s answer: men are all pigs (with a little sausage as you put it). Mens answer: women over seas are better. It should be very easy to see who loses out on this.

    American women/society has pushed men to the brink and the rest of the world sees it too- you can see page after page of sites and comments about women from around the world looking for American men, but next to none on foreign men looking for American women.

    And not just towards men- even women admit women are the worst:
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/18/women-own-worst-enemies-study

    The reason more men aren’t jumping up and telling American women they are seeing the Sexodus wrong

    (http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/)

    is because they just don’t care anymore about the future of American women.

  • Lamarcus

    Jenny- you are a voice of reason. I feel bad that it’s falling on ‘somewhat’ deaf ears. I think the problem, in part at least, is you are associating with and describing women from an older generation- the great generation or maybe the very beginnings of the baby boomers.

    The vast majority of American women are just not like that any more. They really are only in it for the financial pay off. Not eveyr single woman in America, but such a large number that makes it common and expected (thus creating the image for all). Not just that, but breaking a good man’s bank and when it’s used up, dumping him for someone else that hasn’t been burnt yet.

    So many men have been burnt; that gullible pool is ever decreasing. Not a lot of men left in this country that will fall for it. And many young men who have seen it happen to others and won’t fall for it even once.

    I think of it as a dominoes affect: Women were miss treated by men and trained their daughter to hate men (In a lot of cases not intentionally, but in a way that created the same affect). In turn that hate for men (pride, self awareness, strength, and other fancy names feminism has put to it) has in turn created the mistreatment of men in thsi country- there is no longer any disagreement on how laws currently favor women dramatically more than men. So now, men are going through that hate period. The difference, as I mentioned in another post, American men are happy to go over seas to find a soul mate whereas American women tend to just hate all men. And the feeling seems to be mutual across the planet.

    As a result- I don’t see American women waking up (Because they will think of it instead as giving in – once again only hurting themselves in the long run). A see a lot less white babies in the worlds future.

    Let me reiterate- a perfectly acceptable result for men. They’re perfectly content to let American women continue to ruin their own futures.

    This is what I see and if you search this topic and go past the articles and onto the comments you see plenty of evidence to back it all up.

  • Lamarcus

    “Even if a woman lied or sperm dove, there is very little chance of
    proving it. It would wind up being her word vs yours and in the law’s
    eyes the only provable thing is the parentage of the existing child.”

    Perfect example of how the laws in this country are tilting heavily in favor of women. And why men have done the math and said relationships are no longer worth the risk.

    If a woman lies and tells a man she can’t get pregnant (or pokes holes) he still has to pay. If a man does it, the women can choose abortion or keep it, but she doesn’t have to pay the man even if he raises the child.

    I ran track in college and I had to go to a seminar twice a year to be taught/reinforced to be careful with women (hidden message stay away altogether) because if one woman says something about you and you can’t prove your innocence beyond a doubt, your career is ruined.

    And that was 20 years ago- the situation has only become more lopsided. The risks are just no longer worth the reward.

    It’s like Unions in this country, they are in drastic decline because they did such a good job of “winning”. Women have succeeded in not ‘needing’ men. And now are aloof as to why they are no longer in demand??????

    Go home tonight, turn off all the lights, and then complain to your boyfriend that it’s too dark. See what his response is. Then do it every day for the next 10 years and see how he feels about it.

  • Lamarcus

    Your grandparents would be shocked that you plan to have kids after 30…. and also shocked that you’re not married by 30 and don’t have any kids yet. That generation was differnt in many ways…. you can’t just pick only the ones that favor your argument. Well, you can but you won’t get taken as seriously as you hoped.

  • Jenny Wren

    Actually, my grandparents are both very proud of me and frequently express as much. As for being shocked I don’t have children? Well, this is probably sharing too much personal information, but after 4 miscarriages I’m a bit surprised myself. As for marriage, I gave that a shot too. I was away for basic military training (an enlistment we had discussed ad nauseum) and he waited a grand total of one week before there was another woman in his bed. So much for 7 years. As such I have become a great deal more cautious. My sweetheart and I have discussed kids, and we’d both like to have 2 at some point in the future. He is aware of my history of difficulty and doesn’t shy from open discussion and hope. Please do not assume that because you perceive my opinions to be different from yours that I must be the feminazi hydra spitting misandry from my many heads. Please do not presume to know my story without ever speaking to me… and don’t you dare ever presume to know what my family feels about me without knowing them or their stories either. Let’s not degrade what could be a worthwhile conversation with trolling for a response.

  • Jenny Wren

    I feel saddened that you have become so embittered. Believe it or not, most of the women I’m talking about are peers from my own social circle – ranging in age from 21 to about 40. I am not sure what women you have met in your locale are like, but it sounds as if you are seeking a better class of person. If you or others decide an overseas bride is the way to go, by all means. Truly. Seek your happiness. A life without love is a lonely one. Maybe I am an anomaly. Perhaps the women with whom I socialize are anomalies… but I believe there are others like us in the world. Real, honest ladies. We’re just waiting to meet our gentlemen. (Well, I have mine, or rather he has me… but that’s the trick. Real. Honest. Gentlemen)

  • Jenny Wren

    I agree that news feeds have a lot of articles like that. I don’t tend to read them. However, have you ever happened to glance at a magazine while leaving a grocery store? While in a hair salon? You will be bombarded with headlines telling women 30,000 different ways to a flat stomach, perfect breasts, great hips, getting ready for bikini weather, how to turn him on, how to keep him from straying, new steamy bedroom tricks… the list goes on. Scootch on over to the dusty underbelly of the interwebs and you will find Pro-Ana sites, “thinspiration” forums, and every pill, potion, and lotion you can imagine to make women feel like she’s worthy of a good man. Want to catch his eye??? New Green Tea Colon Cleanse! If you really want to know where the women you’re describing as ideal have gone, look no further than the media you believe is misandryist. What are they telling young women is of value? An honest heart and a gentle demeanor? Or a thigh gap and sexual prowess?

  • Jenny Wren

    There is a great need of care required on both sides. A guy can carry his own condoms and dispose of them as he sees fit to feel safe. On the converse, even Roosh V who writes this blog openly advocated making it legal to rape a woman if she willingly went onto your private property… even if she had no intention and made no insinuation of sex. There is a current national backlog of rape kits yet to be processed – 700,000 approximately. So if men must be wary of women and women must beware of men, what are we as a society to do? How can we restore trust between the genders? Is it possible?

  • D

    Jenny you are spending to much time on here…go to your husband and spend time with him

  • Jenny Wren

    Still at work for another 9 minutes. I fuss around here when I’m on a break. Soon as I get home, I’m all his! Boyfriend, though. Could be husband if he ever asks me. :)