Choice in dating removes the necessity of personal effort. When a man knows that he has choice in the dating market, he will begin to expect more sex while putting in less effort. When I’m in a city that is generally “easy,” I go out later, approach less, and don’t take much time to prepare for a chance at getting laid. I just walk out the door because I know my existence is likely to be good enough. In this type of scenario, the marginal cost of banging an 8 instead of a 7 is not worth a change in my routine.
In the United States, women have more choice in men than their counterparts in any other nation. An American 7 is approached via day, night, and internet 100 times more than girls in Eastern Europe. Not only is she approached more, but she is approached by more desperate men who put her on a pedestal much higher than anywhere else.
As I’ve detailed in the past, choice creates an environment where only the tightest game will be rewarded. Not only will a man in this environment have to approach a lot, but he will have to do so with skill so high that his own father would have died a virgin if forced to do the same.
Choice acts as a “feeder” to create a girl who flakes, overeats, sleeps around, cockblocks, and becomes masculine. Choice feeders include night clubs, Facebook, OK Cupid, game, the iPhone, and any other technology or environment that allows men to approach women in order to get sex.
When I was in Poland recently, I walked around a shopping mall and saw many beautiful girls. I thought to myself, “Even if I bring 50 American guys in this mall right now to approach nonstop for a month, the girls wouldn’t sour. They would be slow to gain weight, lose their femininity, or become rude. Why is that?”
There are two reasons:
1. In Poland, a girl sees an approach as a random encounter with a man. In the United States, a girl sees an approach as a gender issue, rape by the patriarchy, or a means by which women are somehow being objectified. There are factors in Polish culture that prevent the girls from seeing an approach in those terms, while in America we have cultural “enablers” that tell the girl to behave like a trashy sailor or go to battle when interacting with a male.
2. If a Polish girl, after being approached 1000 times on a vacation to Washington DC, goes back home and becomes fat, slutty, and masculine, the approaches would stop. But if she remained in America, men would continue approaching her because of how low their standards have become, a problem that is due to demographics and cultural persecution of masculinity.
“Enablers” are institutions, movements, or memes that tell a woman to embrace the negative features that result from her having a lot of mating choice. Enablers that exist in the culture include feminism, liberalism, anti-fat shaming, anti-slut shaming, divorce laws, and misandry representations in the media.
Feeders and enablers work together to create a death spiral:
Women feel the immediate effect of the feeders in the form of approaches while men feel the immediate effect of the enablers in the form of uglier, bitchy girls who are not relationship material.
Now let’s take a look at Poland:
In Poland, notice how there are less feeders and a complete absence of enablers. In fact, there exists disablers in the form of family pressure to marry along with a strong fat and slut shaming culture to prevent uglification. In fact, the disablers promote beautification.
When an American girl turns 21 and begins to hit the clubs in stride, unburdened by her college social circle, she is unsure how exactly to take being approached so much. It may initially seem neat to her, but then she goes onto Jezebel to read how game is stupid and how even nice guys are evil. She reads advice columns telling her that she can have it all while playing the field in her twenties and even early thirties. She reads a news report about how important Slut Walks are in empowering women. She hears Obama saying how it’s unfair that woman make less than men. And finally she sees a book in Barnes & Noble about how men have turned into little kids that need to man up.
Her mind is unable to resist these influences since they come in the form of a nonstop assault that happens to confirm with what she’s learned about men in her university elective courses. Enabling now takes place. She will begin to see men approaching her as inferiors and as a nuisance, treating them with disdain and disrespect. The uglification process begins soon after, giving her faux self-esteem and confidence in being ugly and masculine. When she hits 25, she is stronger and more empowered than men her age.
She stays single and sleeps with the men who can keep her turned on for a couple hours without saying a bad line. These men are not as handsome as those who approached her when she was 18 and 19, before she began shopping at Lane Bryant, but the marginal cost of being skinny would only get her a guy one point higher. The result is a fat girl who mildly hates men, never reproduces, and has well over 50 sexual partners by the time her body gives up releasing eggs.
I call it a death spiral because every additional set of approaches causes the erosion of habits and beliefs that were meant to preserve her appearance and femininity. She can slack off because the guys keep coming and the greatest media influences in her life tell her to embrace the fat. They even put out flawed studies that tell her being fat is healthy. In countries with a death spiral dating market, you will see increasingly overweight and useless women who still believe they deserve Mr. Perfect.
The American cultural elite will promote any method or policy which increases a woman’s choice while simultaneously limiting a man’s. You would think they would therefore embrace game since it gives women more choice in men, but it gives men greater relative choice, especially for the alpha male who can easily swoop up a boatload of notches via one-night stands.
The elite will therefore actively seek those methods, behaviors, and policies that give women a greater proportional amount of choice than men. It turns out that internet dating is perhaps their greatest tool, as even the most pan-cis-trans feminist with shaved head but unshaved legs has a profile. In fact, internet dating, combined with the smartphone, are the two most amazing male screening tools to ever be invented, giving even average girls more male attention that female celebrities received a generation ago. Every time you send an email blast on OK Cupid to get a few lukewarm responses, if any at all, a feminist smiles. Every time you approach a girl in a club and bang her within a few hours through the use of game, that same feminist will ask the authorities to investigate if your empowerment was actually illegal in the form of rape.
Feminist sympathizers have grouped gender behavior into two categories: choice enhancers and choice blockers. The former will increase how much choice women in a society have while the latter will decrease it, since it gives more power to men or causes them to “drop out.”
Blockers will be viciously attacked by all women (not just feminists), because they decrease a woman’s relative choice compared to men. Have you ever heard of a woman crying that a black-owned barber shop was getting shut down to be replaced with a wine and cheese bar? Never. But the second they read a story about a lonely and shy American man finding a Ukrainian wife, they lose their shit. In fact, it’s easy to predict the response of future inventions or behaviors by just asking yourself who it gives more choice to. If it gives more choice to men, there will be some group that will push for it to be criminalized, regulated, or banned outright.
As you can now see, the solution to our problems is not simply a matter of beating feminism and shutting down Facebook. There are multiple factors working simultaneously to destroy women. I predict the death spiral will impact other countries as the same feeders and enablers present in America make their way around the world.
Or will it? While I do think countries will get worse before they get better, many have a built-in cultural resistance that prevents enablers from completely taking over like they have in America. Why is it that a place like Brazil is so open to American-style feminism while a place like Ukraine is not? What is it that accelerates or limits the damaging effects of giving women choice in the dating market? These are questions I will answer in the future.
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Excellent post but my read of the situation is different.
The issue is not male choice Vs female choice. Logically, if sexual market power is going up for some women, it must be going down for others. Intra-gender status is a zero sum game.
What’s really going on is that female choice is being re-distributed from the top-tier women to the bottom feeders. Consider Dagonet’s tweet from earleir this morning:
“Last week I had crazy oneitis for this girl. Now that I’ve captured her soul and gotten the bang, I’ve lost all interest. I’m ruined haha.”
In a traditionalist sexual marketplace, top-tier women would be able to lock down top tier men like (not to brag or anything) Dagonet, me, you, etc.
The sexual marketplace that we have robs them of their chance at living the feminine dream of marriage to an alpha male.
The sexual/culture war is a crusade by the unloveable dregs of female society to free up the tight supply of alpha males.
One significant mediator is city vs. rural. In America, it’s well known that rural areas vote red and have high marriage rates, low divorce rates, and strong nuclear families. Lack of choice is probably an important factor, as are wholesome cultural cues that are perhaps related to the lack of choice.
It’s cities like Washington, DC, where you’ve cut your teeth, that there are bars on every corner (and several in between), massive participation in online dating, and mandatory smartphone purchases.
For your commentary about America writ large to have any purchase, you should spend time in more rural areas like western NC, which still have educated, cute women who, I imagine, are not unlike the Polish women you so favor.
Great post….and please answer those questions in the near future.
Are ‘they’ working on banning/regulating porn? Is it just a matter of time?
I’ve given up porn, so this is an academic question for me. But:
1. Porn depedestalizes women (check out Danger and Play on Miss Delaware).
2. The marginal cost of approaching “the unloveable dregs” vs. jerking off to 10′s at home doesn’t work in fat girls’ favor; men drop out.
3. At least some porn is violent and might appear misogynist to reasonable people, and become a scapegoat for the rest.
This is one of the best articles of yours i’ve read. I think many of these points are gaining in acceptance however slowly. Knowledge of truth doesn’t always equal acceptance of truth but the reality is becoming plainer and plainer: feminism has changed men (for better or worse, men have adapted) but it is destroying women.
Irrefutable logic… good visuals too.
some of your best work yet
It only appears to women that there is an endless amount of choice (of men). The reality however is that that *must* be an illusion; there simply aren’t that many men for *each* woman. At least not in the final accounting, since people tend to pair off. So, the illusion is only true at certain points in time, but not in general, and certainly not in perpetuity. But, most will stay on OKCupid their whole wretched lives, searching, never satisfied, ever transfixed by the mirage which from a distance looked so bountiful, increasingly dreading the possibility of an awful truth which begins to unfold, though never quite giving up hope.
(The awful truth of course being speed-dating events at 35 years old with a bunch of Indian engineers, haha)
roosh = the man.
Amazing post Roosh.
What is the likely outcome of all this?
Every time a similar situation occurred in history, the net result was war.
I see no reason it should differ this time.
Brazil was not open to feminism. It was pushed down our throats by successive Marxist governments and corrupt NGOs financed by Foundations such as Ford’s and Rockefeller’s. There is also a TV network with soap operas, which is a tool for the left. Brazil used to be a very conservative country. You would see the half naked bikini girl at the beach, but she would be engaged and expecting a very traditional wedding at church.
Ukraine has experienced communism first hand, and know very well what it is to have 30 million of their citizens murdered by Stalin. They have been vaccinated against delusion.
Roosh, if you go ahead in this field, you will need to immerse yourself in the study of Cultural Marxism, the School of Frankfurt, etc. You will probably like http://www.henrymakow.com site. Start with the articles that connect feminism with communism.
Isn’t it ironic how feminism vilifies masculinity but women that embrace it turn out masculine?
POLAND HAS A LOT OF FEMINISM MOVEMENTS LATELY.
POLAND IS GOING DOWNWARDS BADLY
You can read about it here:
Marriage with a polish woman – Heaven or Forever Hell
Poland Reality 2013:
If a divorce is initiated after a male cheats on his spouse,
the male is likely to lose custody of his children, 50% of his wealth
and be forced with larges financial obligations to his exwife
and to the children, for the rest of his life.
If a divorce is initiated after it is discovered that a female has
cheated on her spouse,
then the male is still likely to lose custody of his children (the
ones that are his)
and be forced to pay with large financial obligations even to the
children that aren’t his.
Judges in divorce cases are a large majority women,
but the laws of divorce are also bended on women’s total advantage.
Marriage is, in short, the real everyday story of male liability at
all costs and in nearly all situations.
It is the product of the divorce laws that, in effect,
removed any protection for the men
and replaced them with a system that incentivizes the initiation of
divorce by women,
regardless of their actions.
What are your opinions?
13 -> Don’t get married then. As easy as that.
Here is a gem that will cheer you up : http://intentious.com/2012/10/26/man-exposes-penis-during-slutwalk/
A man shows his dick during a Brazilian slutwalk and get ganged up on. Oh the irony.
the end result of the death spiral is not that most women somehow win and most men lose.
in reality it means that more and more ugly fat whores are pumped and dumped. few people get married and society slowly declines into wilderness.
i’d take russia, ukraine or poland over that. even for most women its a better proposition whether they know it or not
Roosh, your posts cause me to look around at my environment with a new perspective. Thank you.
You shouldn’t criticize ‘non-stop’ approaching. As in:
“I call it a death spiral because every additional set of approaches causes the erosion of habits and beliefs that were meant to preserve her appearance and femininity.”
Quoting from Bang blurb:
“Now imagine something for a second. For me to go from hopeless zero to a guy who could pick up pretty girls consistently, how many women do you think I had to talk to and get rejected by?
300? 400? 700?
I gotta be around the thousand mark by now. In terms of all men in the world, I’m in the top 1% of being rejected by the most women. But in terms of how many women I’ve banged, I’m probably in the top 1% as well. ”
Thank you Roosh for eroding the femininity and appearance of thousand women.
americunt style feminism is in every nation now…even middle east(except the promiscuity)
evenn in indian cities its thrown around in average circles …from not gettin laid to cant gettin laid.
how do the east asian n eastern europeans keep em out…cuuz they in africa as well. george carlin explaind feminusts pwrfetly.
they care bout havin the edge socially n money…women r being sterlized by force in uzbekistan n they dont care. but all breaks lose if u xall em ugly or sluts
Very interesting. Keep these posts coming.
Roosh! Long time lurker and living the life. The Proper male one…
By far on of your best best posts.Keep it up.
Roosh or you or I would not have to approach 1000 women if they were not enthusiastically partaking in the spiral and becoming combative, masculinized whores. Your great grandfather might have approached 10 women in his whole life. Women can and should be able to handle a little bit of male attention. It’s when they’re fawned over, idolized, and encouraged to attention whore on an hourly basis that they find themselves overloaded, and stop being grounded, feminine girls and become little conceited Hollywood starlets from their cheap studio apartments in Big City, USA.
People follow their leaders. In Poland their leaders (political, religious, family) encourage virtue and family life. In America they encourage vanity, selfishness, hedonism, and feminist ideology. Girls therefore willingly hop into the death spiral that Roosh so well described.
Actually I amend my earlier prediction.
“War” may not be the ultimate result of this death spiral.
“Mormons taking over US society” may be more likely.
Bravo good sir. Bravo *clap clap clap*
Everyone is always telling Roissy to “write a book,” but he’s probably best as a hit and run blogger.
Your take can easily be expanded.
A good book of cultural criticism would make you famous.
Title it “The Smartphone Has Killed Love & Other Essays” and you’re on your way. “IPhone” would be better but Apple will sue your ass. ;)
I am sorry but Washington D.C. ≠ America. You seem to want to base all assumption about America works on one city. Unless you have been all over America you can’t generalize it like is. If feminism is so powerful in America why do I live in state were people want end welfare for women who have children out of wedlock, restrict abortion, get rid of planned parenthood and pressure young couples who have children out of wedlock to marry? I have yet to met any of the women you describe in your blog. Many of the women in my social group enjoy and love men, do not treat them as the enemy.People up north are known to be a bit ruder and more arrogant versus the south due to how fast pace their life style is. So they may have something to do with it. Expand your mind more before you judge so harshly.
It is simply the superiority of slavic game.Slavic guys keep the expectations of girls rather low with amazing results.In western competitive environment every guy no matter how ugly or poor he is thinks he deserves better so he makes an effort and increases competition and value of girls.Slavic guys are relaxed and do not add any value to girls.I fully adopt slavic game after seeing the benefits.
You’re way over thinking this one Roosh. What’s really going on is the economic empowerment of women has eroded the ability of man to compensate his lack of game or attractiveness with his provider skills.
Women in their 20′s don’t really care about provider skills anymore, they want pure alpha. It doesn’t have much to do with choice blockers etc….they are just pursuing their underlying desire which is 100% alpha. But what happens when they pursue straight alpha is that they can’t lock him down and end up left in the cold.
Then they turn 30, realize they have been chasing assholes their whole life and now need to settle down and at that point the provider characteristics start to pick up value and pure alpha comes down in priority.
Back in the day provider skills were pretty important for a woman to find, now with the economic empowerment and the ability of a woman to provide for herself in her 20s (she can’t provide for herself long term) she just chases pure alphas and dates out of her league. Which ends up being a failing long term strategy.
In places like Poland and eastern euro…provider traits still have value…that’s the issue.
Bravo, Roosh. This social commentary at a very high level. America delenda est.
Roosh, what happens if we throw prostitution into the mix? On the one hand its bad for guys because its like bodybuilders using steroids. BUT it does have the effect of making guys less desperate to approach. It introduces an upper limit to how much trouble guys will go through to get laid.
When a Costa Rican male crocodile loses a dominance struggle with another male crocodile for control of a territory, it has no other option but to leave the estuary, go out into the sea in search of another locale.
The lot of most American men is cast. Things are as they are and there will be no changing of anything during your life. You have lost and that is that. The reality is that it is all over but the crying.
Even if some magic happened overnight and Feminism were to disappear from the land, you are still left with an ugly, fat, disgusting group of women that all the gyms, weight watcher programs, and other discretionary self improvement actions cannot and will not ever correct. You are still left with a demographic imbalance of age and the reality of male sexual market value that does not work in most men’s favor.
The reality is that 70% of those women are not salvageable, that they are product of genetics that has been allowed to become unleashed that in prior times had been held in check or they are old. And what few women are left are fought over by throngs of men.
And even if you get one, you would still be left with marriage and divorce legalities that punish you and favor women. And much of that law existed prior to the ascendency of Feminism.
You would still be left with market forces and with more and more automation killing jobs other than at the very high end and at the very low.
Despite the tendency to attribute today’s reality to contraception and economics, everything Roosh writes in this argument is relevant, and I would say, is the result of a higher consciousness and awareness of themes that builds on ideas expressed in previous blogs.
And the technological and social reality of life in an OECD country has created a Perfect Storm to condemn most of you to mediocrity and celibacy.
And make no mistake, it is a death spiral, at least for you. Nothing short of all out revolution and an imposition of some Islamic style restraint of women will stem the tide of what is and what will come. And even if that happened, the majority of you would still be losers. And I don’t mean that term in the capital “L” sense. I just mean that circumstances would not favor most men below the 70th percentile.
And the solution for some of you is right in front of your faces as an everyday example found in a blog you read every day.
Get the fuck out. Be like that Costa Rican crocodile that heads out into the ocean in search of a better place.
This blogger has consistently extolled the virtues of leaving, of exposing problems endemic to life in OECD countries, of the virtues of other locales. And story after story, comment after comment have consistently reinforced the problems of men in those locales.
Historians stipulate that human migration was caused by Climate, war, and religion. Salman Rushdie poses a fourth, the individual that no longer fit where he was. And I propose a fifth, that is much like that crocodile.
I actually propose that sexual based emigration has been far more common in history that historians have let on.
Even the Crusades, while explained as this great religious mission were fed by this. More than a desire to expel Islam from the Holy Lands, it was a desire of “lost” men, to go down into new territory and raise their status. They didn’t just go run out Islam and leave. They went to stay, to gain land, titles, and status, and ultimately elevate their sexual status vs the hopeless and lost conditions that feudal society has place upon them.
And the whole period from 1500-1950 was exactly defined by men moving, immigrating to new lands, sailing seas, taking jobs and starting commerce in far away places. It was not the comfortable first son, nor was it women, it was those men whose sexual fortune was pigeonholed, confined, limited and they struck out exactly like that crocodile.
There are places in the world that you can go and change your fortune. All you have to do is make up your mind, set it as a goal, and as your task, and do it. There are ways around everything, even immigration status and lack of money.
I recommend the east side of the Andes in Colombia. That land is an open frontier almost without limits.
But if you continue to sit where you are then you will die as you are.
looks like you “native” americans are going to die, if u wont reproduce with fat chicks.
why its different in russia (ukrain)?
I can give some reasons:
1 the internet is not everywhere, so there are less iPhones and all that crap
2 online dating is not very popular, one of my gfs was ashamed to acknowledge that we had met on a dating site
3 95% of girls earn much less than guys. they literally depend on money. traditonal women jobs like teacher are doctor get the smallest salary, it’s impossible to live on such money.
4 people in russia dont like to read (no jezebel stuff)
5 I would say that feminism has more influence on men than on women
6 most girls understand that they HAVE to get married until 25-27. they were saying to me smth like “who will marry me if I’m old?” single mothers also understand that their chances to remarry are close to zero.
7 not many fat chicks. I see many girls in gym working FURIOUSLY to lose weight, looking not very fat. I’ve seen some pictures of fat chicks from the USA and I was like “omg, is it photoshopped or not?” junk food is not popular. 95% of girls cook well.
it’s like your democracy fucked you up, guys..
Great analysis. If any parent would read this, the US would undergo a major change. for the good.
You could replace Poland with America Pre-1980 in your diagram. Good post
@Tampa at #27
Great piece, but it’s only part of the puzzle.
What’s the difference between an ugly dude and the same ugly dude after he becomes a local-legend-musician with hotties hanging off his ever word? It’s status, it’s still the same ugly dude.
Feminism has collectively lowered the status of all men in the Femishpere, making them all less unnattractive. It would be like if every woman in the America suddenly gained 20lbs. Yes, as if :) You combine that with a massive system of transfer payments, affirmative action, scholarships, special preferences etc., and you’ve essentially created a “lost generation”.
If you thought it was your imagination – yes, you are being shit on compared to what your character, skills and intelligence would have gotten you in a previous era.
The only option is to find some way to raise yourself above the competition.
tampa = on the money
One of your best posts Roosh. +1
@Market Minter Hit the nail on the head!
Don’t forget that demographics will get worse. The US has an aging population and parents are having less children. There just wont be enough young 20 somethings to go around.
A question that has been rolling around in my head lately is the extent to which language shapes thinking. In Ukrainian, as in Russian and Lithuanian, gender plays a large role in grammer. Does this make it more difficult to think of men and women as being the same?
@ Roosh… You have a fantastic mind and obviously do many of the contributors to this blog. I’m going to throw this out and I don’t think it’s anything that would be disputed, indeed it may have already been discussed at this site… Everything I’ve read from Roosh and contributors is valid as far as an assessment of contemporary gender relations and cultural evolution here in the US… I am an LEO with a tactical unit (This may be an unfair advantage), I am a type A male, and I live in a rural and heavily Hispanic area of the western United States… While the trending I have seen from afar, particularly in the northeastern US, supports to a “T” the conditions described by Roosh in his missives… the surest thing you can do to get laid constantly by “American” women is move to a western, rural Anglo location that experiences heavy interaction or features a heavy population of an Hispanic demographic. Hispanic culture, in my case Mexican, is relatively resistant to contemporary US social trending i.e. liberalism, feminism, post-modernism, etc. The rural environment perpetuates a culture of manliness and women who love manliness. The number one employer in my geographic locale is agriculture, followed by natural resources extraction and/or related industries. The most difficult women I deal with are easterners who are imported to my area, usually by federal agencies. Recently minted biologists, resource techs, fire science monitors, graduates of eastern universities, daddy’s girls, who arrive on a mission to save the planet. Knit caps, Subarus and Priuses, Birkenstocks, and hairy legs are the dominant feature of this crowd with attendant outlooks on gender relations, sexuality, etc. Within a year of their arrival, these transplants begin to undergo a very interesting transmogrification as the reality of the rural west, its values and people begin to manifest. My crowd, cops, firefighters, EMT’s, anglo and hispanic alike seem disproportionately to garner Latinas who cannot leave the house w/o dressing to the 9′s, high heels and all. In the background are the anglo girl imports wearing Carhartt’s and Chaco’s… I have been at many an informal get together where these groups, due to professional and personal inter-realtionships, merge, at least for the evening. This happens regularly in my unique social scene and as you can imagine, it is a thrill to behold. I don’t think it is conjecture to say that the eastern white girls come away from these events deflated and questioning as when exposed to a gorgeous (Roosh’s 6/7′s on up) Latinas most with a h.s.-level of education and/or AA/AS-certification working in the medical fields, para-legals, etc. My guess is that in the brains of the eastern girls, an LED light (or some other eco-friendly illumination source) slowly comes on and they realize they were lied to their whole lives… that when juxtaposed against the glaring sexuality, edgy attitude and rotundity of the Hispanic western female, for brilliant moment, Eternal Truth is revealed and it is internalized by these eastern transplants… a woman’s sole purpose from the standpoint of biology and most organized religion, is to capture a male and it is in this methodology that the Latinas so excel. An interesting paradox in that the eastern biologists, many sporting Darwin fish on their rear bumpers, are the first to deny their biological reason for existing. Now as an addendum, the local white girls in my area, born and raised, seem to be into some kind of ranching chic with tight jeans, cb boots, horse kitsch and all the like. Heavy Christian vibe. Works for me. These women are culturally and ethnically separate from their Latina sisters but like the Latinas, do not go out w/o looking good. They tend to marry young, drive pickup trucks, swear by gun ownership and are heavily represented in the ranching and agricultural fields. I myself am an eastern transplant but have lived both overseas and out west for over twenty years. I would never, ever move back to the east. There are also many western locales (cities) I would avoid. In the meantime there are huge swaths of California, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado and Texas where I would say you can feel as if you do not live in the US thanks to the Hispanic explosion and history, culture and rural nature of these areas. I use to travel heavily overseas and identified many of the aspects Roosh mentions vis a vis Eastern European, S. American women, etc. I can tell you it is here too but you’ve got to get the hell out of heavy urban areas and stay west of the Mississippi or south of the Mason Dixon line. Education is killing us. Thanks!
some or most spanish speaking countries, idk which ones specifically, but feninism has taken a strong foothold.
I think Mark Minter has a point.
I just think we don’t want to admit how bad things really are in the Anglosphere. You never thought you’d see a potato famine in your lifetime, driving you over the seas to a new world.
But seriously, what would the men going through events like that think and feel at the time? Would they acknowledge the situation for what it is and GTFO or would they assume the scope of the problem was limited or would correct itself? I think the media plays a role in making us believe that this isn’t as widespread as it is.
I just got back from a month in SE Asia and I had far more options of higher quality women than I had back home, not just from the locals but from the community of travellers. Women who are travelled seem to be much less entitled and prone to feminism. Getting out of the toxic West also seems to help them revert to their naturally feminine state. I wouldn’t mind seeing some serious analysis of the traveller community for quality of women (yes I know many of them have a high N).
I also met a friend doing the expat thing in Singapore who with average looks is absolutely killing locals and expat girls alike with beta game.
Food for thought.
I think it’s inaccurate to say it’s easier to get girls in developing countries. It’s much harder actually. Nowhere can I get sex as easily with 6s, 7s and even the occasional 8 as in my home country in Europe. It’s much harder in countries like Argentina, Colombia and also the Dominican Republic. I still agree that emigration is the answer though.
interesting point James. Back in the “good old days”, which (if they actually existed) were well before any of us were born, prostitutes were where young, unmarried, men got sex from.
Maybe society needs whores in order to have virgins.
perhaps a more apt metaphor than potato famine, would be potato glut!
@ Tampa # 27 I think you’re dead-on.
@ Infantry & Solo… Europe, Cen. America, Mid-east, Asia… my experiences have indicated that hostels are where it is at. Sojourners, as they often like to be called, delve into the absinthe, pub crawls, museums and translations of Charles Dickens. If you are a nominally attractive guy from you’re early 20′s through 40′s, are in shape, intellectual and willing to split the bill, you will land on home base as little or as much as you may care. That has been my experience and I am not embellishing. Travel to Arab countries (now is not a great time) often results in literal harems of multi-nationals forming around you for security and comfort as the places I’ve been, foreign national females cannot go out alone and it is not advisable for them to go out w/o a male escort.This can obviously be played to your favor.
My experience has always highlighted a class system of backpackers and locals. Backpackers have access to backpackers but not to the locals. I will defer to true players on that issue.
Longer-term stays i.e. studies abroad, language immersion classes and work assignments may lead to conquest of the indigenous panocha but this is subject to local mores, customs, etc. E.g. the likelihood of an English backpacker bloke @ HI Tel Aviv getting to bed with an off-duty Israeli soldier girl with an M-4 hanging off her shapely, jean-clad ass is absolutely zero. Put that same guy in Phnom Penh and his chances improve dramatically as the socio-economic and cultural disparities may be too much for a local to ignore.
Finally I will say that language is a gate that can both deny or permit access to any given culture. The more fluent you are the better your chances but are you looking for a gf or one night stand?
My preference is for the intellectual groovy local girls, less prone to shack up with a tourist than the ladies of the night. In my experience native language abilities are indispensable to the chase but I am also looking for a long-term, non-Anglo/western mate. If you want a hook up go to Tijuana. If you want a wife go to Guadalajara but be prepared to digala en español.
Roosh, congrats on making the SPLC Hate group list.
I think the reason some places like Brazil absorb American feminism and places like the Ukraine do not, is because Brazil embraces the American lifestyle. They’ve bought into the image that America is right and they should do what the Americans do, feeding on our media and consumerism. Brazil has a booming economy and for the first time, their middle class has money and wants to buy stuff. They want to be like us. So do their women.
I was born here but my parents are from India. I visited India about 10 years ago and saw the same thing happening there. They absolutely devoured anything American, imitated what they saw as the “correct” behavior as seen on reality shows, american films and MTV. The girls in the cities thought it was fun to get completely drunk, do drugs and sleep around since all the “cool” american girls were doing it.
I think all the “feeders” in the American system will make their way into other growing economies such as Brazil, Russia and India. American corporations/technology will bleed into their systems and minds. Countries/cultures that don’t embrace consumerism or don’t have that option economically, should continue to have their values, reflected in their communities, families and women I think.
Fuck yeah, awesome post.
I was thinking about this more today and have come up with a theory. Going expat to live in a less feminised culture while still dating expat western women.
If bringing a feminine eastern european girl to america will eventually corrupt her, can you date a girl from the west in a less feminist society or where there is more female competition (say.. Hong Kong, Singapore, Medellin, Warsaw) and have your expat girlfriend progressively relax into a more feminine state?
Get a lawyer feminist away from her firm and into a bikini on the beach and she will (eventually) switch gears (I’ve met a girl on the road and ‘helped’ her with this).
Anyone have medium to long term experiences with expat women in foreign locations that can comment on this?
I’m an older guy who finds your site rather curious. You seem to be the victim of a world of your own making. Watching your videos, you come off as a very beta guy that any girl with half a brain would peg as a beta within one second. Your hair and clothes are totally wrong and your voice and the way you carry yourself project neediness. In an objective way you are much better looking than I was when I was your age, but I never had to “approach” women because they were drawn to me. Partly, and I only realize this in retrospect, it was because I looked similar to some of rock stars and movie stars of the day. But none of that would have mattered without the right attitude.
Women can just smell neediness. All it takes to lure them in is an expert haircut (in many cities this is a $250 proposition), good clothes that fit perfectly (do leave the house unless the total value of what you are wearing head-to-toe is at least $1,000), the right attitude, and a killer smile.
Once you done that, just be zen. Don’t try. Don’t think of trying. Just walk around and smile. Beautiful women will ask you for directions, drop things so you can pick them up, etc. The ones who are so self-absorbed that they don’t notice you are not the ones you want.
You may think things have changed, but even though I am over-the-hill, from time to time I turn on the charm just to see if I still have the touch. It’s still there, nothing has changed, not even the women. Alpha shines through every time.
By the way, Roosh, you are a great writer. It is a rare talent that you should develop further. It is good that you are getting past your “obsession” and so can move on to better things.
I have a theory about this current wave of feminism. I think it may be well over by the end of the decade. The reason being has to do with the bad economy. If you look at history, the previous waves have ended on the heels of a bad economy and/or a war.
Back in twenties, the economy was great an though WWI killed a lot of men, it didn’t decimate the stock of men folk in the US like it did in Europe so there was more choices for women. Women became so powerful, they achieved suffrage AND prohibition. Those two things worked against beta males, and benefited alpha males (bad boy gangsters, politicians) who had the most access and made money off those things. Once the Depression hit, there was a decade of depression culminating in WWII that ended that Alpha male/women’s paradise.
Decades later, baby boomer women started the second wave, which died out because of Vietnam, recession, rising crime, the crack epidemic, AIDS and Ronald Reagan.
i’m a lithuanian. i’d like to share my opinion on why, i think lithuania has not adopted the american type of feminism, why it may not or why it’s different all together. though lithuania has been a part of the soviet block i couldn’t really say whether this suits other post-soviet countries. it might be true about poland to some extent as we had a shared history for a couple of centuries.
the thing is, women in lithuania, looking back in time, have always had more rights than those women who lived in the now so called western countries. say, in case of a husband’s death or divorce, they were still allowed to have their property, while on the contrary, in countries like england, everything belonging to the family (including kids) would instantly become the property of the man or his family. women would then go homeless, join some marginal groups and eventually die. also, in lithuania the women already had the right to vote in the year 1905 and the constitution clearly declared the equality between a man and a woman. besides that, later on the soviet system aimed at diminishing any type of gender differences, meaning everyone should work the same amount, women shouldn’t cook (eating should be done in public places) or take care of children (they used to have weekly kindergartens). of course, the reality was a little different than what it was supposed to be. people had their traditional ways and their traditional gender roles and tried hard to support them. now the situation in lithuania is like that: around 41% of people who’ve taken up leading positions at work are women, our president is a woman and there is a pretty even gender ratio in our parliament.
we also support a certain amount of positive gender discrimination: like opening doors, helping with heavier lifting and so on. this type of behavior generally tends to be appreciated AND expected of men.
despite that, women still encounter some difficulties due to their gender but radical feminism here is very uncommon. i think it’s because historically, women here never really needed to fight hard to gain some fundamental right. women have always been here in a pretty good position. now women in western countries really needed that and they really struggled during the first stages of feminism. now the situation changed but the spirits are still more or less similar. a state of equilibrium has not yet been achieved, they went from one extreme to the other. i guess there’s lots of insecurities about their new position in the world involved and also, there might be a fear of losing it. also, while now they have all of the opportunities to achieve as much as men, they still don’t. and they might be once again blaming patriarchy for this. i, personally believe that the woman has still not adapted to the new world order and feminism should direct their attention inwards to see what’s wrong INSIDE the group of women and not outside.
there’s also another aspect of lithuanian gender dynamics which i think is of crucial importance and i should mention here. i truly believe that MEN is and have for quite some time been the weaker gender. it’s likely due to all the stress they’ve gone through. multiple wars, fights for freedom.. women would then stay at home and take care of the whole household. children, farm animals, their home and what not living in a lonely cabin in the middle of forests or fields requires (my great-grandma lived like this). so now the effect of this on men is what it is now: we have the highest male suicide rates, alcoholism, men on average die 10 years earlier than women and come out to be 1/3 less educated. the (stereo)typical gender dynamic, as i believe, is somewhat like that: woman very often is the strong, leading link in the family life, she takes care of everything and everyone, while the man is the weak link. he often is very under-appreciated and almost never fulfills the expectations of others. he tries hard but with no success and here then enters the same cycle of depression, alcoholism and then suicide. there are pretty high demands for a man in lithuania (especially in the middle generation now) that cannot be fulfilled. hegemonic masculinity is expected here (+ add all the cooking, cleaning, taking care of kids and opening doors).
i’m sorry for such a long post which kind of might be lacking in continuity, but what i was meant to write is that feminism is not and has not been very relevant in our culture. the women here were not truly living under oppression of men but quite the opposite, especially in the last century. even in pagan times, before christianity was adopted here (in the year 1387) there weren’t any really clear signs of strong patriarchal dominance. our folklore talks about strong, brave women that are able to undergo all difficulties that life throws upon them (it’s a culture of suffering :)).
” The US has an aging population and parents are having less children. ”
And why ? Because half of the population has decided not to fulfill their biological obligation. Instead, they have found something that is much more important: Attention Whoring on the Glorious, Shiny Cock Carousel. Then when they turn 35+, they decide to have their one pet project child, not because they really want to but to avoid being social outcasts cat ladies.
Any people who dont have their women working as baby making machines from 15 to 35, having at least 3-4 children, is going to go extinct. Simple as that.
A population of Carousel Riders + beta hipsters will eventually self destruct.
This is actually Roosh’s best and most shocking article ever, in which he speaks the rough truth in a way that he made millions of people to consider it a mindblowing miracle:
Dating choice is part of the problem.
In nearly all traditional cultures, including the one that I have adopted, parents controlled the “dating”. They made all the arrangements, took all the risks, and faced the consequences of rejection. It was by no means a perfect system, and had its flaws, but was based on the idea that two perfect strangers could learn to love each other. And it mostly worked. Compare that to the modern western culture of romantic love, appearance obsession, compatibility, and “soul mates” that still ends up with 50% divorces.