Feminists and their apologists do all they can to convince people that the world is better off with their ideology. They have one specific argument they like to use on guys who study game in an attempt to make them appreciate feminism. It goes something like this:
“It’s feminism that allows you to sleep with a lot of women. Without it your game wouldn’t work. You should thank feminism instead of bashing it, because you are benefiting from it.”
This is a lie that I actually used to believe. The truth is that feminism does not allow you to sleep with a lot of women, something I discovered during my six months in Poland.
Poland is a country that has been untouched by feminism. The movement completely passed over it, along with neighboring countries that were part of the Soviet bloc. But is getting laid harder here? Nope, it’s even easier. How can this be explained?
Game, the sum of tools meant to increase a man’s sexual worth, and not feminism, opens up those legs. In Poland I have a system to screen out all Polish girls that either sympathize with feminism or share even the smallest character trait with their feminist counterparts in America. I’ve terminated any interaction with a girl who is even 5% feminist, and yet the lays come fast and furious, with more than half of my bangs resulting from one-night stands. Yes, I’m taking girls home the same night in a “conservative” Catholic country that has no feminist harps screeching on television and where nun sightings are a weekly occurrence. By having the right game, I create opportunities that would supposedly be impossible to achieve without glorious feminism.
You can argue that the Polish girls I got with are sluts, or that I’m using my hairiness to get them, but you can’t say it’s feminism. Because of feminist attempts to brainwash the masses, you may think that sluts only exist in the Western world, that only they are “empowered” enough to fuck around. My dick is laughing at that premise. You don’t need feminism to have a healthy sex life with a lot of women. Mixx is fucking dozens of women in Colombia. Does he need feminism to do that? Naughty Nomad is banging nubile African princesses, racking up more flags than anyone I know. Does he need feminism to do that? Credit our success on looks, money, game, easy sluts, or what have you, but definitely not feminism.
I will reluctantly give feminism one thing: among the common man they sped up the dissemination of game, an art that has been taught for over 2,000 years, starting with Ovid’s The Art Of Love. The anger they have inflicted on this generation of men has caused game teachings to be more accepted into the mainstream, but feminists are not the only women who enjoy sex with men who have their shit together. Approaching, having tight conversation, being confident, and being aggressive with sealing the deal works anywhere in the world at any point in history, not just in modern Western culture. Maybe in some places it may take an extra date or two to get the bang, but unless you’re talking about ultra-conservative countries where women wear a hijab and extra-marital relations are punished by the state, your dick will not suffer just because it’s in a country not dominated by feminist cunts.
When an American girl tells you to thank feminism for being able to play the field, tell her your boy in Poland is fucking more than his dick can handle, even though the country has not been afflicted by the culture of obese, masculine women with fattitude who think they’re better that men. Western-style feminism, a movement that didn’t stop after suffrage and equal pay, serves absolutely no benefit to you or society. Don’t let them make you believe otherwise.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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Excellent, Roosh. Truly, America is a country with millions of frustrated, sexless men who don’t even realize that feminism has only enabled full scale hypergamy to be unleashed in society. In other words, feminism went out to fuck the majority of men.
Let’s hope this feminism bullshit ends soon.
Women are just as hypergamous in poland, according to Roosh. Hypergamy has nothing to do with feminism.
The only thing feminism appears to do is give women an entitlement complex that turns them into bitches. Entitled, bitchy women are unnattractive, and think it’s okay to get fat.
Therefore feminism does nothing more than make women unnattractive.
I’m glad I just found out what hypergamy is. Looks like Greek but it’s just a made up word, like elvish!
Roosh, unless women in Poland are like 1950′s American women, then they had some kind of feminist movement going on there.
Roosh, you know what changed everything? The Pill. Once the pill was introduced, women were freed to spread their legs without asking for the social and economic protection of marriage. Nowadays, another pill (Viagra, Cialis, Levitra) is extending a man’s value in the sexual market in their adulthood and elderly years. Three cheers for Big Pharma!
I’ve noticed that most guys, like myself, who are not cut out for steady relationships get bangs here and there while we do not settle for the steady bang that comes in a relationship we enjoy variety.
But did you know that…..
The average American man has (the average American man sleeps with 7 women over the course of his lifetime.
“Females 30-44 report an average of 4 male sexual partners in their lifetime” <—- probably an under exaggeration but it can't be higher than what men claim, in other words, it is 7 or less.
Uri Katsav got it. It’s not a coincidence that the pill was introduced in 1960.
DungeoCat: Keep in mind that a lot of Americans grew up in times before the end of the sexual revolution, and a lot of the rest grew up in very conservative areas. For the crowd anyone posting here is likely to run across, I’d estimate it at seven, at least.
If anything the need for hypergamy is lessened by women having their own money, jobs and careers.
They can provide their own security instead of needing it from a man.
Whether feminism should take credit for women having their own money or the powers that be deciding that having the other 50% of the population working and being taxed is another story.
Looking at kinsey, we see that 17% have 21+ partners. That’s the 20% of men who get 80% of the sex.
And the numbers for women are just bogus. 31% with only one partner?
Yeah, just because something is anonymous doesn’t mean they will stop performing their instinctual behavior of lying about partners.
Insightful post Roosh. The hard-core feminists despise men and want to dominate men and are “women” that most of us would not even want to bang. Also, there is really nothing “feminine” about “feminism” (so whoever made up that word years ago inserted into the lexicon a term that is not correct). Real FEMININE-ism would be more about for instance wearing high heels/short skirts/flirting/letting men lead/helping others/and mentally plus physically satisfying her man, and these feminine women are more receptive to genuine masculine game and are women we really desire to bang. If the illusion of voting actually solved societal problems, then why after ever four years for decades is there even more problems? Do women feel more like women getting banged by masculine men or when legally stealing in a divorce? Do women feel and act more like feminine women when wearing high heels and a short skirt or when wearing unattractive outfits bossing both genders around? Fortunately for us there is still some feminine women out there that still desire to be banged by a real masculine man.
I think you are right Roosh. And it is becoming clear to me why so many societies in the past would restrict and manage interaction between the sexes…whether it was arranged marriage or punishments for premarital sex. Women, especially young women, on their own generally don’t make good decisions as to who they have sex with.
“My dick is laughing at that premise.”
Roosh’s Laughing Penis:
@ #5 anon
Is it possible for you to imagine a concept outside of an American frame of reference? Get a passport, travel…then answer the question.
I’m not sure, but I have a hunch that feminism is part of what de-religioned the US. In eastern europe it was communism. But removing the moral and social constraints is necessary for girls to open up before marriage.
That’s not to say that game doesn’t do anything. A guy with game back in 1850 america certainly could get some girls to have sex, but I don’t think it’s clear that game does more to open up girls’ legs than the social more-changing movements.
With the obligatory statement about how I know this is your blog where you can write whatever you want, I find this sudden stream of MRM-style posts tiring and quite bitter. Why? I would enjoy much more reading about your travels, game, girls and etc. I am getting an overload of negativity each time I step out onto the street anyway :P
[Roosh: I just released a travel book about girls in Iceland. I've put up many posts about Poland. Less than 2 months ago I released a 200 page game book about girls. Would you be more satisfied if I start a CNN-style 24 hour game and travel channel? This way you can live through me constantly, never having to apply any of my previous writings.]
I really want to see you go to France. I know it’s a mainstream country, but the women are suppose to be skinny and sophisticated. Love to see a hairy confident guy take on the snobby skinny french.
Would be fascinating.
totally stealing that.
This may sound counter-intuitive but from an evolutionary standpoint it makes sense (women with less sexual partners have MORE children): ugly women have more sex partners that hot women. It’s only wishful thinking where the thin tanned blond women with big tits are the biggest sluts around (outside porn); quite the opposite, actually.
The actual number of men that attractive women sleep with is likely somewhere in-between what men and women report (with men exaggerating a little and women downplaying a little), & is likely about 5-6 lifetime partners for women as reported by those aged 30-44.
The typical American woman IS a walrus but the typical American woman is NOT a slut; the numbers don’t bear this out.
If these American walruses have 5-6 lifetime partners up to age 30-44 she probably only had 2-4 partners during ages 15-25, the ages where she still has value as a woman. The average American walrus is not riding a 50 cock carousal in college despite the wishful thinking of men, especially the super hot ones.
By constricting the amount of sex walruses are more able to extract resources from men! Is there any reason why men would bun up and date and fuck just one girl over the course of years!?!? It is a classic supply and demand thing. And women use shaming language on men who are involved with whores in addition to using that language against the whores!
“Yeah, just because something is anonymous doesn’t mean they will stop performing their instinctual behavior of lying about partners.”
So why would guys lie then during the study?
Read this you may find it interesting:
Probably many men would gladly pay 50% more taxes to live in a country without so many manly women, oh wait, if the men are already taxed at around 70% then taxes can’t be doubled. No heist-ation without representation.
A post like this is looking at the context of the current landscape that we are gaming in. It’s seeing through any societal made up beliefs and gets to primal human nature.
Yeah actually I would, but I know we can’t live in heaven :D
Although good point on the book, I did buy Bang but I’ve passed on Day Bang for now…
the first sentence of this post is the most important one: feminism is ideology. period!
Beware any ideology.
Poland was a Soviet Bloc country. No Feminism?!! The left wrote the book on that particular malady.
Game Pushtun village women from intact families. Then get out alive to write about it. Then you have gone some way towards proving game is feminism invariant. And note; no state will interfere there. But neither will it interfere when fathers, brothers and uncles have the decency and balls to care for and protect their female relatives.
Proving that Game can work on girls from a country where their mothers were given state sponsored contraceptives, along with attendant propaganda, on the other hand……… As I opened with, you’ve gone mad.
Next post: nun game.
When women say they had sex with one guy, they don’t include one night stands or guys they regret having sex with.
I’m of fourth generation and 50% of Polish descent on my father’s side and of 50% Irish on my Mom’s side of the family, and although Polish women are better than American women on average, I don’t think Polish women are the greatest thing to write home about. I’m from Chicago which is the largest Metroploitan area of Polish descent in the USA and the second largest in the world. Only Warsaw has more people of Polish descent. Granted most of us here in Chicago as well as the USA are mixed and are Americanized as well as being a few generations from the old country. We still get a lot of Polish and other Eastern European immigrants here in Chicago, and they do tend to become Americanized. Keep in mind that while the USA has an out of wedlock birth rate of 40% and a divorce rate of 45% that Poland has a out of wedlock birth rate of 20% and a divorce rate of 25%. However if you break down the racial divisions into Black, Latino, White and Asian you will find differing divorce rates which I can’t remember, but Blacks are the worst, Latinos next, Whites after that and Asians the best in the USA on divorce rates. The American Out of Wedlock Birth rate for Blacks, Latinos, Whites and Asians is 70%, 50%, 28% and 14% respectively. I think Polish women are even better than White American women on average for many reasons, but they are really much better than American Black and American Latino women.
Poland still experienced at least three if not four horses of the apocalypse to men. They have uraban anonymity as most people live in cities so women can have sex anonymously without being shamed as they would in a small village. They can make their own money through work and still don’t need men as much as in the past. The technological breakthroughs which made women’s lives easier, less strenuous and less dangerous in a myriad of ways and nowhere is this more true than for birth control and contraceptives which is an important subset of the technological breakthroughs because now they can have sex with whomever they want whenever they want and prevent pregnancy over 95% of the time. The only thing yet to fully arrive are laws and social acceptance of feminism in Poland the way it did in the USA. Even latex condoms in the 1930′s produced a seismic shift on how people thought and acted concerning sexual matters, but the pill in the 1960s took it further.
Roosh, you need to keep writing these type of posts. To hell with what the betas & femicunts say. There aren’t enough sane guys out there spreading the message about how fucked up the West is.
Roosh: Would you be able to write this same article if you’d gone to India instead of Poland?
[Would you be able to write the same comment if you read my entire post? "unless you’re talking about ultra-conservative countries"]
All you need to do is read ‘My Secret Life’, written in the 1800′s, to see that the feminism claim is a lie.
TAKE ME RIGHT NOW, YOU HAIRY BEAST!!
I agree with lot of what you say. But I think your viewpoint is way skewed by growing up the epicenter of loud-mouth, plain-jane Feminists…of course I’m talking about Washington, DC. The loud-mouth plain-jane Feminist would make even a healthy 20 year-ld injected with a gallon of viagra go limp.
@18 wrote “I really want to see you go to France. I know it’s a mainstream country, but the women are suppose to be skinny and sophisticated. Love to see a hairy confident guy take on the snobby skinny french.”
…My experience Tampa … Even with my limited french, I feel 20 times more comfortable approaching girls in France than USA (even way much younger than myself) … Just go to university towns like Nantes, sweet young girls are eager to practice their english with a foreigner, and one thing leads to another, I have done much better there than with the stuck up girls of south florida! … just go try approaching in south beach Miami and see what a nasty attitude women have.
It’s interesting how even decades of orwellian communism couldn’t wipe out catholicism and femininity in places like Poland.
I think feminism and the tendency to masculinity and sloppiness in women is a Western disease.
Feminism makes every man who dates young women fear false accusations and bear the entire legal burden of sex on his shoulders. The greatest time to be a man was in the early 60s when feminism was still a fantasy between the hairy legs of lesbian dykes. Now it’s LAWS that every man in the West knows can destroy him because women have all the power here.
“Thanks God to the sexual revolution”…
Thanks because he had one single bang in four years with a totally wasted chubby bordering fugly.
Told to me, when I was raving about the sexual revolution screwing average men (i.e.: like him)…
That is when you realize that these guys are living in a different universe; and so do the feminasties.
I wonder what factors make women more “loose” from one culture to the next.
Roosh, I did read your entire post.
You defined two criteria for what constitutes an ultra-conservative country: women wearing hijab, and the state punishing extra-marital relations.
I don’t believe these two criteria apply to India. You may see some women wearing hijab, but the vast majority do not, and I’m not aware of any widespread campaign whereby the state punishes extra-marital relations.
“Naughty Nomad is banging nubile African princesses, racking up more flags than anyone I know.”
Be sure to let us know when he dies of AIDS.
Roosh, my point is that India is not nearly as conservative as you (and most other people) seem to think it is, yet it’s notoriously difficult to pull there. Even people in your own forums have reported significant problems there.
I’m not saying this to disrespect or undermine you, but I’m thinking of India as a challenge, an opportunity, not entirely unlike your experiences in Argentina.
A player in India would be like Jay-Z in New York City. “If I can make it here, then I can make it anywhere.”
Or Hemingway in Spain in 1937. “If we win here we will win everywhere.”
Roosh, unless women in Poland behave like and have the same rights as 1950′s American housewives, then Poland has had some kind of feminist movement over there.
[Roosh: Link? It's a shame that people think women would be mere property if feminist hacks like Naomi Wolf weren't going on about "The Beauty Myth." Without American-style feminism, women would be slaves and unable to go to universities and become cubicle jockeys. Right..]
Roosh. Naomi Wolf is just that – a feminist hack. There’s a difference between pushing for equal rights and opportunities and then pushing for what people like her want.
Of course. Before feminism it was easier to seduce women (check Casanova), except that most men were not seducers (Casanova and his likes were a minority). Now, there are more seducers but seduction is more difficult.
My experience with at least one Polish feminist girl shows that the feminists are harder that the average Polish girls.
“If anything the need for hypergamy is lessened by women having their own money, jobs and careers.
They can provide their own security instead of needing it from a man.
Whether feminism should take credit for women having their own money or the powers that be deciding that having the other 50% of the population working and being taxed is another story.” 9 Lumiere
The thing is that though women theoretically CAN provide for their own security, but they’d still rather have a man do it, or at least make it easier for them. It’s a “what’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is mine” mindset. They can still opt out of work, and have a man support them. This is probably more true of the most high earning women than lower earning (for most, the one-salary household is a thing of the past), but once women were presented with all these choices, they immediately became more unhappy. As with most women, they think they want something until they actually get it.
“what’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is mine” – that is not Feminist or traditionalist. That is just entitlement bitch behavior and one of the attitudes that a lot of women have that we need to correct if we ever plan on moving forward.
In a feminist lie-world and womenless beta planet….pillows rule
Japan today…elsewhere tomorrow?
@ 47 anon
The best way to solve this attitude is for a high percentage of men to forget about marriage and relationships. More men need to go John Galt. More men need to expatriate and refuse to pay taxes to the feminist-controlled gynocracy known as the USSR.
If we can achieve just one of these objectives, the whole nanny, feminist state that enables women to be so “strong and independent” crumbles.
Otherwise, we can wait a few decades for the US to devolve into a more hispanic, backwards country with a developing country status.
I suspect the Chinese will be our masters. Thank god I’m Chinese and living in Asia. Make sure to learn Chinese
西方越來越弱。 中國越來越強。 華人起來！
Hmmm! Okay….Finally a post which is not game related, but is actually good. I was also under the impression that it is feminism that allows a guy to rack up a huge notch count. So I was like Yaaaaaay feminism for getting my dick wet. But you are introducing new information here. Need to update my models of reality
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@40, @46 Torchbearer
The reason it is so difficult to pull in India is that it is society, some times political goons as well as police that punish extra-marital relations and pre-marital sex. Not the government. But do women really care whether the punishment comes from the state or whether it comes from the society or political goons or the police? No! they don’t. So Roosh is correct. Sexually speaking, India is an ultra-conservative country. The punishment is swift, harsh and final. I’m Indian. I’ve lived there. I fucking hated most of it. I worked hard with a passion to get the hell out of there. Some exhibits
1. Shiv Sena goons routinely vandalise shops selling Valentine’s days cards saying that it is against Indian culture
2. the Shree Ram sene actually went right ahead barging into a pub in mangalore and violently assaulted some women who were drinking saying that they are bringing shame in indian culture
3. Police in Bombay routinely go ahead and harass couples on marine drive, asking them to prove that they are married.
4. Hijras or gynandromuffs or routinely harass couples demanding money to leave them alone. And forget about complaining to the police about this nuisance. See point 3 above
If the punishment for such trivial acts as is so great, imagine what it would be for pre-marital sex. With women unable to express their sexuality, their femininity it is no wonder that indian women are probably the ugliest in the world. This is not the fault of the women per se. It is the fault of a society that has an absolute contempt for physical beauty. you can see it not only in the appearance of the women, but also the conditions of the streets. Filth everywhere.
sorry, the last comment was @40, @42 Torchbearer. @46 is timorthy. I have no beef with him.
Dear Torchbearer, India is a challenge we can all live without. You may be able to pull there……
pause…….but do you really want to? The women look like shit and there is risk to life and limb. I’m pretty sure you can actually get arrested for sarging. all it takes it for some mangina white knight to come and say in hindi “Madam! Kya yeh aadmi aap ko tang kar raha hair?” Literal meaning, “Ma’am is this man troubling you.” The next moment there will be a whole mob beating the crap out of you. Nothing makes a common indian more aggressive than the prospect of beating another human being who cannot fight back. After the mobs tire beat you half to death, the cops will come and take you to jail where you can be somebody’s bitch.
The reason for using the hindi words was that this is a very common line in bollywood movies as most Indian readers of this blog will readily recognise. torchbearer, you should be frickng ashamed of yourself. Some noob might actually decide to take up the challenge and get himself killed in India.
@17 Marmot, I’m with you Bro…..Roosh it is not just about living vicariously through you. Perhaps Marmot’s financial situation prevents him from travelling like you. I’m pretty sure he is a gamer. I also run game on weekends, sleep with about 8 new women a year. Yes, I do live vicariously through you. Because of my nationality, I cannot easily travel around the way you are. It’s fun reading about gaming exotic women. Till my legal situation changes (via permanent residence/green card) travelling to exotic places like bulgaria/scandinavia/Japan/mongolia is not an option. I would love to be able to travel like you and game those exotic women. for me the only touch with Exotic women is the tourist here in singapore. Since I can’t do that now, It’s great fun to read about it.
We could use the argument the other way regarding the MRM. I could also say “Why don’t you start a 24-hour MRM talk show on hate radio?” Now i see that ever since you have started writing about MRM, your page views must have exploded. God only knows the MRM is full of uncharismatic nerds. Ofcourse they love someone like you taking up their cause. You are cool, as is Roissy. And the market for MRM is way greater than the market for gamers. So I’m guessing you do this for the page views/hits/advertisements. But then I see no advertisements on this site. Perhaps you are really passionate about this MRM movement. Who knows. All we are doing is stating a preference. We want the Old Roosh back. MRA boooooooo, PUA yaaaaaay!
@47…that entitled behavior grows in part out of feminism. If you’ve been told your whole life you can “have it all,” and then conditioned to believe you should get it somewhat easily, you’re going to act somewhat entitled.
I think the entitlement behavior is a combination of feminism – the belief that women should be able to choose their own path + traditionalism – the belief that women should have a man provide for them. The only way to do this is to bring up women with the belief that their shit does not smell any different than ours does.
When it comes to feminism, what isn’t a lie?
@55…yes, they are caught in a beautiful place in between, and attempt to enjoy the best of both. Women select the elements of traditionalism that most favor them.
I disagree. Before feminism, girls were much more carefully chaperoned. Because everyone knew they weren’t competent to make their own sexual decisions.
Feminism has always been around. The less game u have the more itll seem like the girl is a feminist. sounds like u got no game. u mad?
Feminism is institutionilised cuckoldry.
You guys say that you have a hard time getting laid in India, but I know Indian males that say they do (unless they’re lying). Some say that women in India are easier than Indian-American women. It’s all about your connections and who you know, I suppose.
A foreigner in India would be looked at with guards up anyhow.
In India, PUA style pickup is pretty much impossible, unless you live in Delhi or Bombay and are financially loaded enough to be well connected to rich circles.
The majority of okay looking Indian women aren’t even in the dating/sexual market, since they are groomed for arranged marriage by their parents. Heavily chaperoned, with very protective brothers/cousins.
The women who buck the trend and are willing to date, behave as if their pussies are worth gold, even if she has a mannish face and looks 5/10 by western standards. Thay have an ‘if you open it, you buy it’ attitude where a man has to date her for years and show absolute commitment to marry, before she’ll take off her clothes. But there are enough desperate males to go for even that. There is still the risk of getting stabbed by her brothers/fathers/goons though.
[The only exception to these are SEA tribal states of North East India, which are closed to foreigners and restricted area for mainland Indians (Inner Line Permit Act).]
In spite of all these hurdles, there are guys who don’t own BMWs and hang out with the rich-and-famous and still get laid without dating a woman for years and committing marriage. I think these guys, because of their grit and resourcefulness, would get laid anywhere.
SEROUSLY THE FOB IN INDIA STFU
INDIAN GIRLS IN INDIA ARE HORRIBLE
UR FRIENDS ARE LYING
FUCCK MAN.. I HATE FOBS
The reason women are easy to sleep with in the Eastern Bloc is because of communism. Similar to feminism, communism ‘empowered’ women to take up positions outside the home. Women were required to work in the same fields as men in order to produce more for the State. American feminist organisations were funded by the Soviets during the 1960s and 70s in an attempt to break up the family. Lenin described bourgeoise family values as undermining the power of the state, as they required people to operate independent of the government. Through the dissolution of the family, persons would become dependent on the aid of others outside the family unit and thus, would be far more compliant and willing to accept state control. Accordingly, in Poland there was a break-down of traditional values regarding sex and marriage. ‘Honour’ was not longer seen as a valuable trait in women to be respected and protected. While Poland is a Catholic country, the resurgence in Catholism has largely been in response to the fall of communism, as, unlike in the rest of Eastern Europe, the Church was heavily involved in the anti-communist movement. In sum, Catholism is not ‘ingrained’, instead the learned values of female/male equality which allows for sex outside of marriage has taken hold after fifty years of communist rule. The quality of ‘feminism’ if you want to call it that, is different in Eastern Europe because it does not contain the ‘female empowerment’ element. Instead, the easy sex culture is borne from the former government’s policy to eradicate gender roles, and thus extinguish the utility of family life. Ending feminism in the West would not end the easy sex culture we currently have; however, you are mistaken if you think it would have a large effect.
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4 to 7 sexual partners in a lifetime is pathetic for male or female. I’m a 55 year old English professor in Taiwan and my N is about 150. Women can’t even learn to have enjoyable sex until N= 10- 20 (8-9.5 HB). My age range is 18- 45 (if they’re still hot). Most of you guys mustn’t be very experienced and still hung up on the virginity thing. I hit the gym and rail them until they pass boot camp (pussy pain, oral enjoyment, and pain tolerance). After that I teach them anal and “perversion”. Don’t look for a wife, look for a lover. A much better deal than marriage. Why buy the cow?