The Manipulated Man

ISBN: 1905177178

“Could it be that strength, intelligence, and imagination are not prerequisites for power but merely qualifications for slavery? Could it be that the world is not being ruled by experts but by beings who are not fit for anything else—by women?”

Esther Vilar argues that the freedom men think they have in selecting a wife and being head of the household is actually slavery, and that working the same job for forty years to support a woman is no different than a child repeatedly playing the same board game. The Manipulated Man is one of those books that reframes your world view (even if you were already on a red pill bent), making you question what value women offer besides their vaginas.

While men pick a career and work 40 years nonstop because they have to, today’s woman treats her career more as a temporary adventure. She’s ultra-serious about it in her 20s but then tosses it overboard for children upon landing a successful husband. I find that Vilar nails the more traditional societies which still exist today in Eastern Europe, particularly Ukraine, and how those crafty women enslave a man through marriage in exchange for popping out a kid and doing a couple hours of housework per day. Keep in mind this book written in the early 70s and referred to a time when the nuclear family was still intact, so she did not predict the degree that Western women would soon enslave themselves in the rat race.

“Theoretically it is possible for a beautiful woman to have less intelligence than a chimpanzee and still be considered an acceptable member of society.”

Vilar argues that for all the liberation that men have given women through inventions like the washing machine and dishwasher, they still choose to spend free time on entertainment over intellectual pursuits. They have no interest in challenging their brains like men voluntarily do. She defines men as animals who work, nothing more. Men work for all their lives while women only work if they have to (if they are ugly or unable to find a husband). In other words, the sign of a damaged or low quality woman is one who doesn’t have the choice to stop working.

“Women’s proven lack of imagination makes clear that they have no a priori need for new inventions. If they did, they would invent things more often themselves.”

For a while now I’ve come to the belief that men need to lead the household and provide for their family to be happy and feel like a man. I want to be proud of being able to take care of a wife and kids. Vilar argues that this pride is no different than a donkey feeling strong as it carries a heavy load.

If the American-style 21st century marriage isn’t working, and the traditional provider marriage exploits men, what should men do? Unfortunately this book doesn’t provide answers, and you start to get the feeling that marriage in all forms is a bad deal for men. Any long-term pact you make with a woman must be carefully weighed. You must ask yourself if you are getting a good return for your labor and time in exchange for vaginal access and a possible heir.

There are a couple things in the book that I disagree with. First, she argues that masculinity and femininity are environmental constructions, sort of like how your typical feminist views gender roles. She thinks there is no genetic component to maleness or femaleness, which can be easily refuted by looking at examples in the animal world. Second, the male archetype she uses in the book is a typical beta male, who is extorted by women without—in many cases—even getting sex in return. One benefit of being a player today is getting low-effort pussy where you get more than you put in. I may be a slave to the pussy but if I’m able to get a constant supply of it and the accompanying sexual pleasure while putting in decreasing amounts of work, is that not a fair deal?

“For man, who was brought up to be proud and honorable, every working day is merely an endless series of humiliations. He shows enthusiasm for products he finds useless, he laughs at jokes he finds tasteless, he expresses opinions which are not his own. Not for a moment is he allowed to forget that the merest oversight may mean demotion, that one slip of the tongue may spell the end of his career.”

I’ve never had a book that made me reconsider so many of my beliefs like this one. It ended up being the most vicious takedown of the female gender that I’ve ever read, five times harsher than anything I’ve written. My mind was buzzing while reading, hungry for a fresh take on the male-female issue. If you still have the problem of respecting women, this book will fix you right up. Not only will you avoid getting entrapped by a woman, but you’ll have a better understanding of what causes their seemingly irrational behavior. Highly recommended.

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    Females are a metaphor for society and it’s treatment of the male.

    Since females are the vehicle through which culture is visibly manifest, they are a good indicator of the culture’s values.

    My personal experience is that the harder you work, the better person you are, the more moral you are, etc. the more people think of you as a chump and overtly disrespect you. Females merely mirror this to us personally and quite often consciously.

    Screw them both, literally and figuratively, go Galt.

  • BirdOfPassage

    If you like this book, you will probably also enjoy “The Anatomy of Female Power,” which has essentially the same message. It’s well argued and written by a man. Basically, we don’t live in a patriarchy but in a matriarchy, where feminine women, who are raised to be narcissistic yet are more emotionally mature, bring up boys with macho ideals, so that they are easily controlled.

    The author is not very data-driven, but his arguments with anecdotes and quotes are convincing.

    You can download a free PDF copy of the book somewhere online. I would be interested in reading your review.

    This notion that men are dumb brutes that should be managed is also hinted at in this Nietzsche quote: “Stupid as a man, say the women. Cowardly as woman, say the men. Stupidity in a woman is unwomanly.”

  • Uruguayan

    I agree with everything esther vilar reported in his book, thanks to her, I would never get married, I think “killing” at work while the woman stays at home alone?

    After I read her book, the reproductive organ of them has to be given to the best male in a natural way and not being sold.

  • http://going-galt.org John Galt

    It is funny though. White males actually do run the world and we do live in a patriarchy. The white males running the world are a subset in the power structure and in higher or at least supervisory status positions. They control the lower white males and everyone else through the various noxious influences: race entitlements, female entitlements, culture, religion, schooling, expectations, etc. Females are merely a tool of the white elite in this regard.

    Since we are soldiers in a guerrilla war, we fight on our own soil. As was learned in Vietnam, you can never defeat a resident enemy. We win as we fight (game) in our own bombed and ruined territory (society) because we know it intimately (red-pill).

    By living off the land and doing as little work as possible and still getting what we need and want we will win the war of attrition.

  • asdf

    Technology has largely replaced men, but it may one day replace women. What happens when you’ve got artificial wombs, robot child care, and sexbots. Do you really need women anymore?

    I don’t think the desire for real human companionship will ever go away, but those not good enough to be decent humans will be replaced by machines.

  • Prepman

    It took me nearly two decades of marriage to figure out that I had been duped into this regime of work for the woman and provide for her offspring. She was for nearly 30 years, first, a hardly-working-wife, then a stay-at-home mom. She fills her days with entertainment — reading garbage fiction, stalking Facebook, surfing the web, and doing fewer household chores than I. Talk about lack of imagination and desire to acquire any useful skills, knowledge or experience, she refuses to use the time and resources available to her to supplement the family income, although things have been excruciatingly tight since the market crash of 2008. It was my wife that educated me to the absolute selfishness of American women and how they perceive the role of the modern Western male.

    Well, in the Spirit of Ayn Rand and Atlas Shrugged, I’ve gone on strike. I’ve stopped providing the “lifestyle to which she grew accustomed.” I refuse to work the 60-70 hour work weeks I used to as a software consultant, always traveling, away from home, the kids, and all the things I slaved so hard for. I’ve let our income dwindle down to mere subsistence levels, so that when I divorce, she’ll receive zero alimony. I’ve had to take the last five years of my life “off” from active, productive pursuits to match her level of income, lifestyle and productivity so as not to be enslaved by the family court system to pay her a sizable stipend for the rest of her life for continuing to do nothing. In the meantime, I’ve had to delay filing for patents, starting up new businesses, making new investments, etc. to prevent my level of living from enslaving me into the future.

    Fortunately, I’m near the end of enslavement. The last of my children is nearly 18. I’m poor, broke and bankrupt. I can now break the chains of marriage and do so without being trapped as so many men are by a lifetime of spousal and child support. Unlike my wife, who frittered away years of opportunity and will have no options other to work as a wage slave after divorce, I have more opportunity to achieve and accomplish than ever before. I’ll be a great success — albeit single. She’ll have to find contentment at minimum wage, old, and alone.

    So, you young men out there reading this, hear what I have to say. “DON’T MARRY.” It will be the worst decision of your life. And, if you must be fulfilled by having children, then do so outside the bonds (chains) of the marriage contract. I say you’re better off single without kids, than to even have the love and respect of well-raised children in this modern day western society.

    PM (JR)

  • Old Glory

    Way ahead of her time.

  • Gustavo

    Harsh is putting it lightly. This book is brutal. Required reading if you believe providing for a family will bring you the most happiness. Don’t be another slave.

  • MacCool

    I didn’t read the book, but it seems overly exaggerated. I mean, the traditional organization is the only one that worked so far for a society to mantain and advance itself.
    The man works his ass outside and the woman take care of the house, children and husband. It’s the natural state of things, men going to have some privileges like taking important decisions, women others like extended leisure time. Counting “bits of fairness” between men and women seems pointless.

    I know you probably don’t agree to what I’m going to say now, but as I tought before searching she is a…

    “Vilar’s parents were German-Jewish emigrants.”

    …jew. All books writen by jews claim for the colapse of traditional society like Karl Marx or the most famous feminists, they are extremist and intolerant in a way the white men or the black men find hard to emulate.
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  • DdR

    Just purchased on Kindle for $5.79. Since I’m in a LTR and we’re getting serious I thought it wise that I should read this novel to comprehend what I could be getting myself in to.

  • Todd

    And that’s why as men, the absolute best thing we can do for ourselves is to figure out what we really want out of life, and go after it. Understand the dynamics behind the innate behaviors of women and society in order to navigate your life in an orderly fashion, but silently be pursuing some thing behind the scenes that is meaningful to you, so that when you’re on your deathbed years from now you can say to yourself silently, “I had a great fucking life”. Too many people life unhealthy and unhappy lives riddling themselves in insignificant matters that only stress them out. Much of this includes interpersonal relations with the opposite sex understandably, but it is foolish.

    With women recently becoming independent and providing for themselves, men are no longer expected to provide for a family by society. We have been freed in a sense to pursue interests that are solely our own and take much bigger risks. We can now build a harem of women and not commit our life and resources to them if children are not produced. Most men are now confused of this freedom and are afraid, still longing for the family life. In the end, that’s what they want and take a conscious decision in that.

    That book the manipulated man is outdated. Somebody should write a new book and call it The Free Man

  • Uri Katsav

    Roosh,

    I can’t believe you haven’t read Vilar’s book until recently. Come on, man! It’s a classic. I still remember my social science professor in Junior High School telling the whole class (boys and girls) about this book openly. If I remeber well I was 14. Anyway, let me recommend you another Vilar’s book: ‘The Polygamous Sex: A right every man has to have at least two wives’. In this book Vilar argues that a man can only love a woman for two reasons: Either she is his sons’ mother or she is his lover.
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    A woman has troubles being the two things at the same time, while
    Two or more women have no problem sharing a man, as long as their perspectives about that man are fullfiled, while
    A man can have a relationship with more than one woman at the same time.
    So, every man should have at least two ‘wives’, one to play the homemaker, one to play the mistress.
    The book is out of print since 1978, but you can find copies for sale.

  • Cad and Bounder

    “With women recently becoming independent and providing for themselves, men are no longer expected to provide for a family by society.”

    Unfortunately this is not true.

    High value woman will do anything not to date a lower value man.Anything. That’s how it works folks.

    If there was any validity in this feminism bullshit they would be constantly advocating what I call ‘hypergamy 2.0′. In other words, men get to date women of higher value (whether that value comes from luck is earnt doesn’t matter) but of course that is not part of the female agenda.They have it too good and they know it. After all if a horse faced trollope like Carrie Bradshaw got her ‘alpha male’ then so should they!

    This is a great tragedy in my view, There are plenty of examples of great men that married wealthy women (Karl Jung, Karl Heinz Stockhauesen etc) whose position then enabled them to achieve great things for society. We are losing this resource. What did women ever achieve for society by marrying a wealthier man?

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    ABC (Always Be Cadding)

    ps and dont forget Bounding too.

  • Nick Digger

    Intellectual contraception. A donkey who discovers it’s a slave is still a donkey, but now one with no point to it’s life.

  • jurko
  • http://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com spandrell

    ” We can now build a harem of women and not commit our life ”

    Good luck with that.

    People, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Women aren’t stupid. They put out for commitment. If we refuse to give it, they’ll put out for cash.

    Do you guys want that? Either way it’ss slavery. As long as you fellas have libido, you’ll be paying for sex. That’s how it works, in any society on earth.

    And those guys with “harems” are the most enslaved of them all. They have to put up with shit from several women at the same time.
    Or the ‘sneaky fucker’ lifestyle you guys aspire to. Yes it can be nice, but you have to engineer your whole lifestyle, job, friends and location to get the most amount of pussy, and need to move constantly to get the best deals. How is that not slavery?

  • DdR

    So I’ve started reading the book. Let’s say that this book is like taking a red pill the size of a watermelon and trying to stuff it down your throat.

    I’m going to rant now: if men in America whittle away their time doing mostly frivolous, repetitive work (I’m not excluded from this), for the purpose of sticking your penis in a vagina, then goddammit make it as pleasurable as possible. But the fact that most boys are circumcised involuntarily, I mean at birth, thereby depriving the man of so much more visceral sexual pleasure, is a fucking boot to the mouth. Anybody else pissed off about this?

  • tim

    another good read which utterly shreds the modern woman:

    http://fatherfigurevideo.com/garbage-generation-by-daniel-amneus.pdf

  • http://www.youtube.com/matthosszone Matt H.

    And this was written by a WOMAN?!?

  • Steve

    This book in itself deserves the single page review you gave it, and thank you. Manipulated Man is the holy bible for men. All critcism and observations of female behavior come back to the wisdom of one, Ms. Esther Vilar, God bless her! That men have always been played for chumps by women is the closest guarded secret of Humanity.

    I strongly suspect that Vilar’s book will be banned at some point given the fact that the United States has now become socialist dictatorship, with their ability to turn other nations into socialist dictatorships as well. I highly recommend you get your copy now.

    Eso libro también esta disponible bajo el titulo “El Varón domado” hace un busca por google.

    Sie können auch dieser Buch auf Deutsch zu finden unter die Titel “Der Dressierte Mann” suchen Sie bitte beim google.

    Manipulated Man was originally written in German, but her assertions about women apply to all females worldwide. She stated that American women are no worse than other women, simply they are further down the road of manipulative behaviors then their foreign counterparts. But have you noticed now with the internet, smartphones and social media just how fast females from non american cultures are catching up?

  • Garth

    @ 19
    Yes, it was written by a woman, go figure!

  • Malc

    Hey roosh, you should also read ‘The Anatomy of Female Power’, another book that is along similar lines. It’s pretty insightful, written by a Nigerian in the 80s. He taught as a professor in the SF Bay Area for a while.

    http://therawness.com/anatomy-of-female-power-download-and-discussion-page/

  • Cad and Bounder

    @16

    ‘People, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Women aren’t stupid. They put out for commitment.’

    No.

    Women DON’T put out for commitment. The one trick they always try when they want a guy in ‘commitment mode’ is to NOT give him sex or make him work fucking hard for it. That’s what little Johnny Beta fails to understand.

    Be the bit of fun guy. Be the cad. Be the joker. Be the player. Be the asshole. Be the alpha male they got lucky to be with. Be the guy they met on holiday. Be the anecdote of the guy they fucked in a weird situation or whatever. Be any of these things and more.

    But do not be the potential ‘nice guy beta provider’ slaving over their every word just like the rest of the chumps. It doesn’t work.

  • http://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com spandrell

    Be the guy who keeps wasting women for the rest of men who don’t want to organise their lives around pussy.

    Thanks a lot.

  • Cad and Bounder

    Be the guy who keeps unnecessarily putting women on a pedestal (while never getting respect for it) so it makes screwing them or having a balanced relationship with them that bit harder for anyone else.

    Thanks a lot.

  • nek

    Don’t be Mr. Right, just be Mr. Right Now

  • Ernst

    You can download the ebook from here:

    http://www.mediafire.com/?dsa2ccbp75g1amw

  • Ernst

    BTW, the legendary 1975 Esther Vilar versus Alice Schwarzer debate is available online:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTarwRJEzCs

    No English subtitles, unfortunately. Still, you don’t need to understand German to feel the tension between these two. Cutthroat, indeed.

  • Anonymous

    @11

    Todd I definitely agree with you. It will probably take a generation before guys start to take advantage of our “new world”. In the meantime, guys who are fast to adapt will reap the rewards.

  • Puffy

    A boy becomes a MAN the day he understand’s Woman (as a group) true nature. That’s the day he realizes women are no more than overgrown children and their unaccountable opinions shouldn’t be taken any less seriously than the declarations of a snot-nosed 5-year old child. A man should not come to this understanding with bitterness in his heart, but with his god-given logical male brain.

    Measure your manhood by how well you can dominate and control your woman (who you should demand submission from) and nothing else.

  • chimpanzee

    another funny comment on the book is here

    http://manboobz.blogspot.pt/2010/11/esther-vilar-crazy-catty-lady.html

    here’ s a quote:

    ” Theoretically it is possible for a beautiful woman to have less intelligence than a chimpanzee and still be considered an acceptable member of society. “

  • J Doe

    A lot of the ‘women were so oppressed in the past’ crowd seem to have forgotten that through all of history men were forced to fight and die in wars while they were at home, playing with children, cooking and cleaning.

  • DaDeCode

    Roosh i’m a BIG fan. in fact i regularly recommend your page to blue pill losers and up and coming “baby playas”.

    but as i get older (35) there is one thing i’m beginning to realize about the MRA and PUA community. both sides are hyper focused on the negative side affects of feminism and traditional millennial old family and societal structures.

    what we are experiencing now is NOT new. it’s ALWAYS been this way between men and women. the only difference (in the America and to a lesser extent the west) is that dumb ass simps and “enlightened men” have reformed society and laws in such a way that the inferior and weaker in every way women are able to sway the balance of power in their favor IF they are cunning and crafty enough to do so.

    as bad as the game of life seems for men, it’s 10 times worse for women! we are just a generation of men who are becoming aware of the the fact that we forgot that men are indeed the more creative, inspired, productive, and powerful sex. and now that realization is understood; we’re trying to figure out how we came to live in a state of pure subjugation to females.

    sure previous generations of men were slaves to the pussy and a pretty face. but they understood that a woman [and family] was and IS an ACCESSORY to a man existence not the focus and reason for a mans existence.

    men build civilizations, we create, we engineer, we debate and enlighten our minds, we war, we inquire, WE ARE MEN! women have always been and always will be vessels to further the greater pursuit of men – via birthing future men, and future incubators and help-mates for men.

    being temporarily distracted by a pretty face or good pussy is one of the delights and pleasures of good living. it’s NOT the sole purpose of living… not for a man who is about his “business”.

    the reason we modern men are floundering in our relations with women and society as a whole is because we have been fed BS by our supposedly “enlightened” fathers (if you were lucky enough to have one) and ignorant herd following mothers.

    you can’t fault women for being what they are. women like Esther Vilar are the ultra rare exception NOT the norm. ALL women (including Esther) are emotional/instinct driven, hypergamous animals merely following their biological imperative. we MEN are barely a step better, BUT we are the introspective sex. we are the thinkers and analyzers. which by default gives us the advantage and biological wherewithal to lead, dominate and CONTROL women.

    the society we live in now is merely a result of the majority of men giving up their natural “birth right” in life.

    that’s why “alphas” [that definition is far to obtuse to fully define what a real man is and should be] don’t give a damn about to woman to worry about what she wants, likes, or expects of him. she’s on HIS bus! do you ask your car if it wants to take you where you want to go? do you ask your car if it feels like being reliable when you have to depend on it? NO you buy one you like, and use it accordingly till it’s of no use to you. THEN YOU GET A NEW ONE. women are the same way! they NEED to be used and they KNOW their purpose!

    that’s why women act the way they do. it’s why they give you “shit test” they are testing you. they are following their biological imperative. they KNOW they exist to be fucked and have babies. and if they happen to be a good stroke to your ego and not get on your nerves, you’ll also reward them with commitment and affection. just like that favorite car of yours – the one you fill with good gas, wash and wax every Saturday, and keep immaculately maintained.

    KNOW YOUR ROLE! stop whining about the weaker, dumber, non producing species known as woman. she is your inferior in just about every way that matters for survival. SHE NEEDS YOU not vice versa.

    stop being a slave to the pussy and command the pussy – that’s a minor part of what real MEN do and have always done.

  • Shawn

    Too bad i never bumped into you Roosh on the Metro while i was reading my copy. Great comments, all.

  • Dani

    I suggest all men who hates women to just get over it and become gay.

  • Puffy

    Dani, I’d rather hate CUNTS like you, and keep loving the women in my sex life who now what it means to be a woman. So, why don’t you go gay for your lesbo feminist buddies and spare some brainwashed male fag from spending his paycheck and emotions on a mindless yapping CUNT named Dani

  • Onder

    I honestly don’t think we can ever deny our nature.
    It’s our nature as men to provide and for women to nurture.
    If it really is a problem for most of us to find that balance, then i would say why fight it?

    If it really bothers everyone that as men, we have to go out and work 60+ hours a week. Then your best bet is to pick an area that you’re truly passionate about and make it your life purpose.

    Working in a deadbeat job and blaming society of your position is a cop out. I would say sort your life out first before taking on the challenge to look after a woman.

    Going the ‘freedom from women’ route is simply not the answer.

    Understand how they work by all means, but use it to guide you along nature’s order and walk on.

    That’s my opinion.

  • Puffy

    Hey Onder, you’re obviously confused about what it means to be a man. Being a woman’s pack mule and beast of burden isn’t gonna impress anybody except your own ego and society-brainwashed view of masculinity.

    I can work a job and take care of all my needs including the sexual ones, without ever “providing” anything to a vagina except my penis and male authority. The size of my wallet never enters the picture you fool.

  • Anon

    “Be the guy who keeps wasting women for the rest of men who don’t want to organise their lives around pussy.”

    You’ve put the cart before the horse.
    That the women are already damaged is what allows for them to be played.

  • Onder

    Puffy, you only have to look at the animal kingdom to know where we stand. After all, we’re no different to any other animal on the planet.

    Game is simply a reaction to current state of affairs in society, not human nature.

    I’m not saying i disagree with it, as i’m all for obtaining sexual pleasure.

    Just stating what is obvious. Disregarding theories and logic, it is what it is.

  • Onder

    I also want to point out something crucial which has yet to be highlighted.

    There’s a difference between a man working ‘for a purpose’ and working to supplicate to his wife.

    If you look at any great leader in history, i would argue neither of them did what they did in order to gain admiration from women.

    They did it purely because it was something they were drawn to and had an ambition to achieve that was far greater than themselves…

    It’s this that women are really attracted to… Not money, but a man’s sense of drive and direction or in other words, to confidently ‘go out and get the job done’.

    The only way a woman can ever know this is via material possessions and status, which often gets confused for money.

    A woman in that sense, simply comes on board and follows this man while he’s fulfilling his purpose. And it’s in no way connected to his need for female validation. But of personal fulfillment.

    This is crucial to understand as many of us seem to misunderstand what our roles are really about.

  • rokiroo

    “I’ve never had a book that made me reconsider so many of my beliefs like this one”. Are serious roosh? I thought you said that “you shouldn’t listen to a woman about anything?” Does this mean there are exceptions to the rule? Or do you decide to listen when a woman makes an argument that you like?

    There is an inconsistency with your thinking and past arguments here.

    What I find hilarious about this is that the woman who wrote this was born in Argentina. One of the most hated of all female nationalities by Roosh (excluding Danes and Americans).

  • Anonymous

    Years ago I read the book. For me, I have understand what I had to do in the future. Took me out of the rat race as soon as possible. Stopped supporting this society were only woman’s benefit the of mans hard work. Look in the governments administration buildings. 90% woman’s working there, doing a no-brainer job. I stopped putting in my taxes from my earned money in this system. (stopped working) So I don’t support this system, designed for only benefit woman the most. I work now only for myself and try to have less taxes as possible to give to the government(woman).

  • BLarsen

    1. I plugged into the Manosphere

    2. I listened to Tom Leykis

    3. I read “The Manipulated Man”

    Result: I find it hard to take any woman seriously. In fact the only women I take seriously are childless career gals in their 40s.

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  • cheapskate

    As recently as 30 years ago it was rather difficult to live comfortably alone and work full time. Even grocery shopping was a pain; full selection super markets weren’t widespread and hours were limited. A woman was a major boost to your lifestyle and diet.

    Now we got 24/7 grocery stores and internet ordering. We got cheap by-the-pound laundry service and dry-cleaners run by illegals, and cheap illegal immigant maid house cleaning services. I barely lift a finger at home as a single man, and this would not have been possible in the recent past.

    So technology has obviated most of the benfit of having a woman at home for a man. And most women these days are pretty useless anyway. I cook and clean better than any of them.

    But I have to wonder about the past. I mean I stumble across pictures like this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Women_hunting_rabbits_with_a_ferret.jpg

    I also recently saw a 1960s picture of a very cute african woman coming home with a basket full of tortoises she had gathered.

    Can you imagine coming home to a nice bowl of rabbit or tortoise stew that your woman hunted down and cooked for you?! It’s almost absurd to think about a woman doing real useful work like that now. I’m sure they’re still capable of real work like that but there’s just no place for it. Just like I don’t need a woman to keep my clothing or apartment clean because it’s peanuts to take care of that on my own.

  • Days of Broken Arrows

    Great post, fantastic comments, and it doesn’t surprised me the one mindless, stupid comment was from a woman, “Dani.” What was that someone said about viewing them as children?

  • AFemaleCat

    You’re forgetting something BIGTIME….

    We used to have an agricultural society. My grandparents were farmers. My grandmother was in charge of the egg collecting/all things animals, while my grandfather was doing the wheat and corn. You know the whole, woman grabs chicken by neck and snaps, or woman grabs sheep balls with teeth and pulls?

    To say they did not do equal amounts work is ridiculous. One could even make the argument that it sucked being 6 months pregnant and still having to chop up pigs.

    1950s America is a complete Historical Anomaly. People had it good, and some women had it very good (although my grandparents in the 50s were still farmers…my other grandmother was a 1950s housewife, but there was no other choice for her as she died young of terrible cancer)

    I don’t think it’s fair to say that women and marriage are worthless because right now our society is going through Drastic changes and who knows where any of this will end up?

    And to be honest, this argument is dangerous. Because it basically says “Anyone who doesn’t invent something is worthless”….Well guess what…That’s pretty much all of us. Only 1% of men can invent something worthwhile, and maybe only 10% of men total are really good workers.

    The stay at home mom’s that I know who are annoying…it’s not like their husbands are anything great…Just salesman?

    Is a salesman worth more than a housewife who is amazing with 3+ kids?

    Sorry but homeschooling housewife > salesman

    Most men aren’t that high up on the food chain either.

    It’s just men, due to IQ sd and testosterone, have more outliers who are truly truly amazing.

    But the average guy is no better than the average woman.

  • OlioOx

    Here is a newly corrected and nicely formatted PDF version of Vilar’s _The Manipulated Man_ , incorporating her updated introduction of 1998 (which she did not see any need to change for the 2009 edition). Vilar made only the most insignificant changes to the body of the book in each version, so it really doesn’t matter which one you read. Might as well read the 1998 or 2009 one with the updated intro.

    (I uploaded this to 2Shared a while ago but I discovered quite a few errors had slipped past me so this one is newer and better eh)

    http://www.2shared.com/document/FNyulwEI/Esther_Vilar_-_The_Manipulated.html

  • Wodi

    Hey Female Cat.

    Read the book, we are handsome, emotional, creative creatures.

    You lack emotion, imagination and drive.

    Go into a diesel workshop and see if you could fix a motor you peace of shit.

  • AFemaleCat

    Question Roosh….

    Didn’t you have any awesome teachers growing up?

    I had one teacher from the ‘Old Generation’…like she attended upperclass boarding school and she was just from this totally foreign world of class and education

    She was amazing. She didn’t invent the automobile like Henry Ford, but she was definitely the type of woman a Henry Ford type would have married (she had like 10 grandkids)

    Oh well…whatever :) You men consult amongst yourselves! Goodluck! :)

  • shiva1008

    > Is a salesman worth more than a housewife who is amazing with 3+ kids?

    Sounds great, never having to go outside of your comfort zone, having constant companionship and emotional support, not having to deal with rejection, having someone else earn your money for you, not even having to go outside the house if you don’t want to. Where do I sign up? Oh yeah only females can do this. And it’s because they never have to go outside of their comfort zone that they are constitutionally weaker.

  • Todd

    @ FemaleCat

    “Oh well…whatever :) You men consult amongst yourselves! Goodluck! :)

    I sense a frustrated and lost purpose in your words here and in the rest of your tone. There must be a reason, would you like to disclose that here? Perhaps you did not fulfill your expected role by society in becoming a mother and having children? Whatever it is, stay awhile and read without reacting to it. Just ingest and digest it before commenting, because it’s easy to see an uneasiness in your words.

  • Cad and Bounder

    @39 Anon

    “That the women are already damaged is what allows for them to be played.”

    I dont think they are damaged at all. This is actually how they want things. They have the choice.

    They can have an army of beta providers being nice or the occasional alpha simulator/fun guy/cad/mr right now guy etc in their lives.

    They chose the latter every time while they are holding out for ‘mr Big’.

    None of these women were raped, ruined, wasted or whatever. They want to be played otherwise we wouldn’t be rewarded for doing it. They chose it.

    The idea that there are swathes of women roaming the cafes, bars and restaurants dreaming of being a dutiful wife to a beta guy on their level is a myth. If it wasn’t then sites and forums like this wouldn’t exist.

    When was the last time you can across a website/forum/blog written by women whose main theme was ‘Oh why, why?, why! can’t I go out to a bar and meet a guy and get laid anytime I want?’

    Think about it.

  • the passenger

    #4 John Galt is right. Most of the modern female behaviour is manipulated by white men. I must add: white, homosexual men. Its precisely were the root of the todays problems is located. The homosexual men were most often rised by aggressive, cold bad mothers without husbands. If a young boy had a psychopath as a mother… how he will view the world and other people? Deep inside his psyche he will be in a state of fight and conflict with the outside world.

    All the Illuminati folks are in essence homosexual, pervert gangs. its all reaction to the lack of true love in their childhood.

  • Theodora

    @Dani (#35): I agree.. It sounds like some guys hating on women so much should probably figure out themselves, cause maybe it just might be that.

    But I think most of the people just use hate as an excuse/rationalization in order to deal with their fear of women, approach anxiety, etc. Which is stupid because it only maximizes the fear, and even if it doesn’t, an attitude like that cannot become anything meaningful ever in terms of relationships.

    Who knows what the author of this book wanted to do by writing it.. It’s a well known fact that extreme stereotypical views attract readers and controversy, so maybe she was just going for that, and now there’s people actually taking her word for fact. Maybe her husband left her for a woman who’s exactly like what she portrays and now she thinks all women are like that. Look around you and see for yourselves what’s actually going on in the world right now: of course you’ll find women like that, but you’ll also find that some aren’t. Aim for the latter, try not to fall for the first, and have faith in the human race!! If all women hate on men, and all men hate on women WHAT’S THE POINT!? What kind of existence is that? Hating half the population every time you step out of the house??

    It’s a stage, some people go through it as kids, others as teenagers, and some as adults. You’ll get over it, that’s just how it is (except in cases of mental disorders I guess).

  • Wodi

    Hey Thedora

    Yeah, were scared

    Yeah, not all women are like that

    Yeah, it’s a stage…blah blah…keep on shaming thedora.

    Chicks are so predictable.

  • anonn

    “benefit of being a player”, “low-effort pussy”, “get more than you put in”, “constant supply”, “sexual pleasure”, “putting in decreasing amounts of work”, “fair deal”

    Environmental constructs as well, no? One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

    The book is obviously correct. A woman will only marry to increase her standard of living. Period. The man that comes along in the arrangement is always nothing more than a necessary burden to the woman. Love, romance, companionship, protection, self-actualization–that’s all BS. As Vilar also points out, women don’t really crave any of that. They use these things as a tool to manipulate men to enter into the bargain. Women really just want nice things. As for the rest, the government will provide.

    It’s so interesting to compare and contrast the way the societies of Vilar’s time collide with the realities of society and culture today. Marriage is declining in the US due to the rise of (ever hypergamous) affluent females and less affluent males. For those that do marry the arrangement Vilar so accurately portrays and skewers is not possible. To raise a family in the US and most of the western world means both parties in the marriage not only work, but work their asses off.

    This reality butts up against the female’s natural (reptilian) inclination to take time off and drop out. When she realizes that the realities of her comfort seeking hindbrain and its craving for nice things is curtailed by the responsibilities imposed by the marriage arrangement (e.g. the very survival of her family), she begins to turn the anger and self-loathing caused by her predicament outward towards her husband. He should be rich enough to support all of them without her having to do a GD thing. That he isn’t means she’s obviously better off alone. After all she never really cared about the stupid bastard anyway and if she now has to WORK, well, he’s lost all of his utility.

  • Prepman

    @Dani,

    Don’t have to go gay baby.

    Here’s an economic reality I share with guys, and even with women who get a little to ambitious with their thinking about how hot-shit they are.

    1. Top grade, young, under 25, slim, trim, hot, experienced, man-pleasing pussy easily goes for $250 and hour. If you’re not as picky it can be had for $100 to $200 and hour. If you’re out of the ridiculously overpriced pussy market of the US, considerably less.
    2. An American woman provided with all the fixins (house, car, clothes, kids, shopping, entertainment, mad money, etc), can require the man to make $50,000 a year or more (often more), which works out to just over $100 a day income after taxes.
    3. A man requires and wants very little in the way of shelter, food, entertainment, clothing, car, etc. We only chase more expensive items in each category to please women. A man can live quite comfortably on $1500 a month, leaving about $1500 disposable income.
    4. With $1500 disposable income to spend on man, we can get 6 servings of that top-notch pussy, without all the hassles, nagging, constant need for validation, weight gain, periods, PMS, etc.
    5. American women are bothered by beta male cock, and think we should be happy with once or maybe twice a week for the 3 weeks you’re not menstruating.
    6. If you’re following my thinking, That’s work out to 6 servings of nagging wife/girlfriend pussy a month.
    7. Compare that to 6 helping of top-shelf pussy designed to please.

    See where I’m going?

    Add to that a guy without wife or girlfriend is FREE to game free pussy, have fun, stay out late friends, get drunk, be a slob, play videos games, watch good tv, work on cool projects, learn new things, travel, and enjoy life without the burden of a female sucking the life and resources from him.

    Now this picture is based on things here. If a man has the means to travel, which is much easier without having to slave at much higher pay required to support a money-sucking woman, then the numbers just look better.

    So, what were you saying ’bout going gay? It’s totally not necessary when the option is to jettison the retarded expectations that post-WWII feminism has brought to the culture.

    So to you, and women like you, I say SUCK IT!

  • madmax

    it’s interesting to note that are the very attractive women the ones to which the book’s topic applies. For example, in an adult class I was going to, there was one really pretty pussy and one ugly one. A tutor-bitch always gave shit to the ugly one, which was shy, quiet. Guess what? No one gave shit to the pretty walking vagina. Except me, of course.

    ‘Pretty’ women get away with too much. For example, if a pretty woman gives some shit to a man, the man will likely let her get away with far more crap that an average looking woman or an ugly one. it’s the ‘halo’ effect, and it’s really fucked up.

  • Raj

    LOLZ This discussion is exactly like people complaining about the price of oil.

    Guys, sexual/relationship marketplace does not lie. Women act the way they do because they can. If beta men didn’t like it, they should stop paying for it.

    If you can’t do without any given product, the seller is free to hike the price till you go broke. Learn to say no. Can you?

  • GWTW

    Hey Raj the Chick,

    The difference between the oil market and the SMP is that, for men, game knowledge means free pussy.

    If Raj starts charging for her aging pussy, game practitioners turn on a dime and approach someone else. Try doing that for gas.

  • Raj

    No such thing as free pussy. If game gets you pussy, then thats price set by the provider.

    Bottom line > Women manipulate men because men are willing and vice versa (as in game)

  • Big Ern

    Oh I do like the final paragraph in the book:

    “Only woman can break the vicious circle of man’s manipulation and exploitation – but she will not do it. There is absolutely no compelling reason why she should. It is useless to appeal to her feelings, for she is callous and knows no pity. And so the world will go on, sinking deeper and deeper into this morass of kitsch, barbarism, and inanity called femininity. And man, that wonderful dreamer, will never awaken from his dream.”

  • Wolfwolveswolf

    Men need to stop excepting this queen of sheba crap, and knocking Men who are fed up with this Bullshit. I for one was never able to become Mr. Big Bucks, never mind able to work due to some other persons illegal doings. Tossed small change for frigged and wished a happy life. women don’t want me, and I am never going to be gay. That shit don’t work for every Man to run out there and become well established. women want a man of money whether broke or loaded to the hilt, and what’s all that equality crap- yeah crap that’s what it is! And the older they get, the more MONEY they expect from a Man. Yeah try my shoes, and go look for a women. women got to start getting real. This is Planet Earth, NOT queen of sheba fantasy land.

  • Big Ern

    It is starting to seem as though understanding Woman is a kind of baked in starting point for facing some pretty difficult existential questions for Man. It’s a narrow path that few take. It’s MGTOWish. But it’s more than that. Letting go of women, at least as a source of dependency, as a result of *seeing* them for what they are, makes men face up to the empty void of purposelessness. It’s scary. One wants to run back to the safety of the slavery we knew. But it does resemble the beginning of a path, a kind of spiritual awakening. Or, at the very least, a kind of maturation.

  • Someone Happy

    The real problem is the author’s fundamental assumption that working sucks.

    I love my job. I’m single and I live comfortably but not extravagantly because I chose to work in the non-profit world for a lower pay rate than had I gone to a corporation. I wake up every morning excited to go to work. I’m a slave to no one.

  • SadieB

    Oh my dear dear Rooshie.

    Someday when you are all grown up you will understand that the costs of your choices are the consequences of those choices, not something inflicted on you by cruel faceless society.

    For instance if you want a nice sexy woman whose life will revolve around you and who will cook & clean & raise the kids, well then you have to pay for her to stay at home and do that, as well as pay for the gym & wardrobe too.

    If you want to bang drunk slutty chicks then you have to put up with drunk slutty chick bullshit

    See how it works?

  • samseau

    Before, women would get men to marry them to take care of them.

    Now, women are getting men to take care of them via the welfare state so they do not even need them for marriage anymore.

    Sure, women have to work for a living now, but isn’t it obvious that a woman would rather please her boss instead of pleasing her man?

    The boss doesn’t care if she gets fat, buys useless shit, or sleeps around.

    In the link Roosh provides:

    http://www.rooshv.com/female-empowerment-is-slavery

    It’s pretty obvious the woman he’s talking to prefers pleasing a boss instead of pleasing a man.

  • OlioOx

    Everyone should read what #66 Big Ern has to say above. I would say that only a few lucky men can find something really fulfilling and meaningful in life once they’ve weaned themselves off depending on women (in one way or another) for happiness.

    Consider Roosh — in a sense he is, for the time being, UTTERLY dependent on women. If he decided that he wished to cut down the amount of time he spends either thinking about women in various ways, or actively pursuing them, to merely a few hours per week, he’d have to find a whole new career and set of hobbies.

    His livelihood now depends on being an expert on getting into brief sexual relationships with women, and in order to maintain his professional market value (and hence his income), he has to put most of his waking hours into gaming women (which requires investing time and money to get himself into their presence), reflecting on, recording, analyzing, and reporting his experiences, writing his books, maintaining his websites, travelling abroad (which requires time and money), etc. etc. It’s pretty much a full-time job if he wants to maintain his position at the top of the heap.

    [Roosh: I don't disagree with your assessment, but I can't think of a job more fulfilling than sexing/traveling and then sharing those experiences with men so they can do the same.]

  • OlioOx

    I should add to the above: Sometimes you can have too much of a good thing.

  • DaDeCode

    OlioOx: i think you miss the fact that Roosh IS doing what he wants to do. he’s no more a slave to women than a billionaire is a slave to making money. chasing women and teaching others how to be successful with them is HIS chosen business as a man.

    everyone has something that gives them personal fulfillment as a man – be about it! for some it’s making money, for others fixing things. for another it could be military service, and for another taking care of a family.

    ultimately the point of all the “men’s awareness movement” and all of it’s players (PUAs, MRMs, and everything in between) is to get men to WAKE UP.
    understand why and what you are doing in life and stop being a slave to someone else’s dreams, desires, and biological imperative.

  • American Man

    I have been waiting for this post. I too have read the Manipulated Man. I too despise and loathe feminists, however, even though feminists don’t like this book because it underscores how manipulative and stupid women can be, this book is feminist bullocks in its main premise, that is, that traditional family structure is not to be desired by men.

    I disagree with the author that marriage and patriarchy is somehow men ruling over women. It is a contract that benefits both parties. The first patriarchal society, Rome, conquered the world for a reason. Why America is rotting is because the legal system favors basically views men as second class citizens denying them SO many of their traditional rights.

    For those interested in a sort of rebuttal to this work (it bashes feminism much more thoroughly at the same time) please read: http://fatherfigurevideo.com/garbage-generation-by-daniel-amneus.pdf

    This is not to say Vilar doesn’t hit the nail on the head when it comes to how self-centered women can be. The key is to structure society in a way in which their selfishness advances the interest of society.

    You want to live in a matriarchy? Move to haiti. Move to the Ghetto. Get in a time machine and return to the stone age. Get in a time machine and move forward in time 30 years. (if you live in America)

    You want a traditional family? It’s still possible, but your chances in the states are slim to none if you want an attractive young wife. Plus, the legal system is stacked against you.

    The rise of the manosphere is good, but the rising number of men who clearly hate women, not just feminists, is sad, but also simply a result of the fact that American women are a cheap imitation of the real thing. Even the good looking ones, for the most part, have such high bitch shields, they are unlovable for anything more than a sportfuck. It’s not their fault is the saddest thing. They are simply responding to the culture and the legal system, the perverse incentives of our society, and of course, the hamster.

  • OlioOx

    @72 DaDeCode Yes of course you are right, Roosh is exercising his freedom and doing exactly what he wants; what is more, he is SUCCESSFUL at it and knows it (that’s my impression anyway).

    But for Roosh, the entire enterprise of getting women into bed is a JOB. And when you turn something that you like to do for fun into a job that your income depends on, perhaps some of the thrill goes out of it after a while. That’s been my personal experience at any rate.

    Somebody commented on another PUA site once: “No matter how hot a girl is, there is some guy who is bored of fucking her.” Human nature is perverse. It pushes us to try to get what we want, and then if we get it, we quickly get bored. I think it was the Irish who first said: “Be careful what you wish for — you just might get it.”

    If you wish to further investigate this unfortunate aspect of human life, there is no better explanation of it than Arthur Schopenhauer’s “Studies in Pessimism”:

    http://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/s/schopenhauer/arthur/pessimism/index.html

    “I know of no greater absurdity than that propounded by most systems of philosophy in declaring evil to be negative in its character. Evil is just what is positive; it makes its own existence felt. *** It is the good which is negative; in other words, happiness and satisfaction always imply some desire fulfilled, some state of pain brought to an end.

    “This explains the fact that we generally find pleasure to be not nearly so pleasant as we expected, and pain very much more painful. ***

    “The delight which a man has in hoping for and looking forward to some special satisfaction is a part of the real pleasure attaching to it enjoyed in advance. This is afterwards deducted; for the more we look forward to anything, the less satisfaction we find in it when it comes.”

    That last idea, by the way, is now receiving confirmation from scientists who study the physiology of pleasure.

    Wikipedia: “Dopamine plays a major role in the brain system that is responsible for reward-driven learning. Every type of reward that has been studied [including sex, presumably] increases the level of dopamine transmission in the brain, and a variety of highly addictive drugs, including stimulants such as cocaine and methamphetamine, act directly on the dopamine system.”

    The following scenario also applies to humans: Suppose you give a monkey an unexpected, gratuitious reward, like a tasty snack. Dopamine levels in its brain rise as it enjoys the snack. Until recently it was thought that pleasure, associated with this rise in dopamine level, resulted from the reward and that was that. But it’s been found that something very different happens when the reward is deliberately sought:

    If a monkey is trained to press a lever a number of times so that it will receive a snack, it knows about the snack, it knows it likes the snack, and it knows the required work it has to perform. The surprising recent finding is that the dopamine level goes up when the rat hears the signal that the lever-pressing routine is about to begin — and goes back down to normal once the rat knows it’s done the right task and can expect the snack!

    Obviously there is still pleasure of some kind resulting from the eating of the snack; but a large part of the entire pleasure-physiology is over and done with before the snack is eaten.

    If the dopamine is experimentally blocked from rising, the monkey won’t even bother to press the lever. In other words, if you remove the pleasurable ANTICIPATION, you sabotage goal-directed behavior.

    Now suppose you introduce unpredictability (and I hope you are thinking of Roosh out at the clubs through this entire explanation): Instead of the reward arriving with 100% certainty every time the monkey performs the correct behavior, suppose there is only a 50% chance of getting the reward (complete unpredictability)? The dopamine level goes through the roof! In the words of Dr. Robert Sapolsky, “you’ve just introduced the word ‘maybe’ into the equation, and ‘maybe’ is addictive like nothing else out there.”

    Now instead of a 50% reward chance, how about a 25% or a 75% reward rate? You’ve now reduced the amount of unpredictability; in one case it’s ‘probably not’ and the other it’s ‘probably’; the result in both cases is that the dopamine level is still higher than with 100% certainty, but not nearly as high as with complete uncertainty.

    (An interesting HUMAN dimension of this phenomenon is the extremely long time periods that humans are willing to wait for their anticipated reward — months, years, decades, a lifetime, even MORE than a lifetime — “if I go to church I’ll go to heaven and get my hot naked angel servants.”)

    So with this new bit of science in mind, I quote once again the Schopenhauer bit:

    “The delight which a man has in hoping for and looking forward to some special satisfaction is a part of the real pleasure attaching to it enjoyed in advance. This is afterwards deducted; for the more we look forward to anything, the less satisfaction we find in it when it comes.”

    Dopamine science source – http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/07/sapolsky-on-dopamine-not-about-pleasure-but-its-anticipation/

  • Jay

    @74 Olio- well, in that line of argument, you could say the same thing for anybody who is passionate about what they do for a living: the simple fact that their passion is their “job” would mean that the thrill they get from doing it would subside.

    Therefore, for example, you would have to argue that professional basketball players who simply love playing the game and are also getting paid for it at the same time would eventually tire of the game- because of the fact that they are getting paid for it. This strikes me as a weak argument.

    I have NEVER once heard ANY professional athlete who originally loved their sport complain of a diminished pleasure due to the fact that they were getting paid for it. Substitute professional athlete with anybody who loves what they do and receives a check for it.

    Most people (regardless of how long they have been in their professions) who get paid for doing what they love to do all seem to say the same thing- that they view themselves as the luckiest people in the world for getting paid for something that they enjoy doing.

    I don’t think Roosh is any different. Sure you need to take a break from it from time to time and maybe switch things up a bit but damn dude he just told you he couldn’t think of a more fulfilling thing to do and then you’re off quoting some dead philosopher and offering up stats as if that would negate his feeling of contentment.

    Just take the man at his word- he’s happy doing what he does.

  • Theodora

    LOL@”damn dude he just told you he couldn’t think of a more fulfilling thing to do and then you’re off quoting some dead philosopher and offering up stats as if that would negate his feeling of contentment.”

    Exactly! He’s happy and he’s also got an interesting blog out of it! On the other hand I think that he’s got nothing to compare it to since he’s never been in a relationship, which can be pretty fulfilling too. Maybe he’d be happier then, who knows?

  • cheapskate

    “sexing” means determining the gender of an individual. Unless you’re continually dealing with trannies, please stop saying you “sex” women.

  • Dani

    Thanks Theodora (#56) you got my point.

    I just want men here to see this speech shows lots hate to women and their nature, so if you hate that to the core then you should seriously think about playing on the other team, that of course if you want to have a relationship and not be the old dude at the club trying to get new pussy… Men also have lots of bullshit but I just have to deal with that because I love them, it’s very easy when you try not to over think things.

  • Wilson

    And here we see Dani expressing her enthusiasm for manipulating men and trying to disqualify those men who don’t kiss her sloppy ass. Woman is so stupid she proves the opposite of what she intends. So stupid that she doesn’t care.

  • Jay

    @76 Theodora- This is one of the fundamental differences between men and women. I want all you men out there to pay close attention to the following words.

    A man who is happy thinks to himself “I’m happy with what I have/ what I’m doing, there’s no reason to change”.

    A woman thinks to herself “I’m happy with what I have but maybe I could have/do something better”.

    This is essentially why, for example, you have a lot of women (though not all) who are in happy relationships yet still, in the back of their minds, are always alert to the idea of replacing what they have if something better came along- even if they weren’t unhappy in the first place.

    It’s called hypergamy. And, in her reply, Theodora, probably subconsciously, exposed her own hypergamous tendencies in a very public way.

    Now, this is not an attack against her as she didn’t mean anything negative by it, but there is a reality to her thinking that is very common to a lot of women and something that men should be well aware of in their dealings with women and in their relationships.

  • fjod/10199

    this is very sad.

    there was a similar topic at work about women, and the cleverest of them said: “can u call your mother “stupid”? ” u’ve got the idea, I think. Here, in Russia, most women work full-time, many of them get paid better than husbands, but the spirit of slavery is in the air anyway. I get asked the question “fjod, when are u going to get married?” almost weekly. Why the fuck I have to get married? I’m so happy with my life at the moment and cant even imagine anything better.

    being a man is challenging. I like this comment – “#66 Big Ern”, he pretty much sums it all. And I’m happy because I was born as a man.

  • Ron

    Sounds like a lot of female shaming language bullshit.

    So what if a donkey is proud of carrying a load? How is that more or less good than a lion roaring or a wolf tearing into its prey?

    The problem with women is that ultimately they are ruled by emotion. This means that every fucking thing they say or do is based on emotion, not reason.

    It sounds like the uktimate point of the book is that women are lazy and lack internal initiative past finding a good penis to rule them. Therefore men have to be careful to rule them properly makong sure they are obedient and always working for HIS interests.

  • xxx

    it doesn’t really sound like this is making you reconsider your beliefs…more like “preaching to the choir”?

  • Theodora

    @Jay (#80): Have you ever been in a relationship? Do you prefer it to hooking up with different women every night? Yes/No, it doesn’t matter, it’s 2 different situations, and anyone who’s been in both knows what they prefer. That’s all I’m saying. And after they do, they can keep on doing what they prefer. At least they can make informed desicions from there on.

    I can see how you drew the parallel to hypergamy (the act or practice of seeking a spouse of higher looks, socioeconomic, caste or status than oneself), as you see them both as comparisons, though it doesn’t really apply.. But if for you it does I won’t argue, you’re probably looking for anything that confirms your views on women. It’s funny how Americans make words for anything these days.. Hypergamy is a Greek word and it makes no sense in Greek! I looked up the definition just now, we never use it.. I can assure you that most women want nothing more than having a man and not having to look for one anymore. I don’t know, that’s just my experience, maybe it’s different for you. Which is funny cause according to wiki you’d have to be living in India to be exposed to that so much..

    I enjoy reading Evolutionary Psychology too, but it’s not really science, you shoulnd’t base all your opinions on that I think.

  • Jay

    @81 Theodora
    Now, guys, pay close attention to her response.

    Roosh never mentioned that he “has never been in a relationship”, as she had said. She knew this but was simply looking to insult/prod him to see if she could get him to publicly respond to her comments. This is actually a subtle form of manipulation through which she tried to receive direct attention/validation from the author of this site. It’s what we call a “shit test” (she can look up that definition too).

    And the rest of her response is nothing more than the spinning of her hamster. Notice how many women will attack you personally(as she tried to attack me by saying I’m “looking for anything to confirm my views” lol) if you agree with their opinions.

    Notice how, instead of simply acknowledging her ignorance on something which occurs/has been occurring on a worldwide scale since the beginning of time (hypergamy) and moving on, she tries to justify her ignorance by trying to knock Americans and the way they “make new words”. Lol, riiight, it’s a new term we just invented.

    Of course, she wouldn’t be a good European if she didn’t subtly insult Americans at least once. Not to mention the fact that she herself comes a country (Greece) which is soley responsible for the recessions in Europe and thus around the world. Wait, I smell something burning….nah, that’s just the people of Athens, rioting and burning their own city down cause they’re pissed off that they can’t retire with full benefits at the age of 26, lol.

    Finally, notice how she denies that hypergamy even occurs all that much- even when it smacks us all in the face -example google Petraeus/Broadwell.

    “I can assure you that most women want nothing more than having a man and not having to look for one anymore”.

    Lol, riiiiight. Spin hamster spin.

    I think she should join us over at Roissy’s site as well- google Chateau Heartiste. Her comments will be most welcome over there, put that hamster on full display.

  • Jay

    or, I should say, attack you if you “disagree” with their opinions

  • Jay

    @Theodora- All that being said, I know I don’t speak for Roosh, but Theodora’s comments and input on this site ARE welcomed and encouraged- even if some of the male comments, including some of my own, don’t seem friendly. From what I can gather, you are much better and somewhat more open than a good majority of the androgynous creatures ( see: most American women) currently being created by the American feminist machine.

    Generally speaking, Greek chicks are much preferable to Americans. I should know, cause I’ve banged (or…made love to) some of them. No offense.

  • Theodora

    Hi Jay,

    OK we obviously disagree on a bunch of things.. Just wanted to say that my intention was NOT to insult Roosh FOR SURE. I think he has mentioned he has never been in a relationship, if I’m wrong my bad. I love his blog and I read it all the time, and my suggestion for him is only so that he has something to compare his current lifestyle to, ie a happy relationship vs. hooking up with random girls every night. That was my main point, the rest I have not looked into as much as you had so I might be wrong, I admit that. As someone who has read a lot of psychology I just think half of it is crap. As far as hypergamy, all I know is what it says in wikipedia, and if you read it there too you’ll see if it’s valid or not.

    As far as Americans.. Roosh and this blog expose all that’s bad about it, so it shouldn’t be too unwelcome in here at least if I say something against them too.

    And PLEASE, don’t tell me how I feel, I’m a woman and I KNOW that if I’m with a guy I’m happy and not looking so there has to be others like me! I wish all you guys could stop stereotyping so much, I mean it that if we believe something about others we tend to only observe behaviors that confirm it! Not all girls are that bad!! You will never see the good in people if you only expect the worse!

    With all that said, good luck to all of us!

  • Rich

    Yup manipulated and screwed over. I have come to believe that to truly Love a Man for a women- it just doesn’t exist. They are always weighing the get factor, and the minute it is no longer coming, they don’t need it any more, or they can get better from another Man, You’re history in her head and soon to be physically history. That’s pretty cold a! Yeah and You remember all that Bullshit You were told back around the Wedding bells time…

  • http://date-masters.com Jack

    Roosh,

    Glad to see you’ve found this gem of a book. We’ve been using it in our seminars for half a decade now.

    The book can be extremely powerful in helping men understand how to identify (and thereby avoid) being manipulated. However, I will warn that, unless guys know how to find really incredible women, the world of relating with women is going to be a very dark place for many men post-Vilar.

    The real power of the book lies in using it to weed out the women who make our lives worse so that we can more quickly and easily find the ones who make us happy and who actually earn our respect.

    -Jack

  • Hawk

    @ Jack

    If Manipulated Man is part of the materials of your seminars then sounds like these are good seminars!

    I will say however that there are no ‘good women’ out there. Women are women, period. For men today I think it’s dark world simply because we were taught the disney esque / shakespeare bs concept of ‘love’ and ‘happily ever after’ lies. It will be interesting to see the next generation of men, assuming they are not fed the same shit we were. But as was stated by steve, there could very well be a ban over such information, and contrary to what most people think, the internet can be content controlled (one simply has to look at China). As he stated, this is the closest guarded secret of humanity. The survival of society relies on men marching of to the gallows of matrimony to become some female’s personal bank account and piece-of-shit.

  • Zorro

    If you want to be a man in this world, there are a number of “must-read” books.

    The Manipulated Man is in the top 10. Every man should read it (unless he’s gay).

    The Woman Racket by Steve Moxon is another.
    The Art of Worldly Wisdom by Baltazar Gracian.
    Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.
    The Art of War by Sun Tzu.
    The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi.
    The Prince by Machiavelli.

    But The Manipulated Man is in a class by itself. Like Roosh has said, this is a total takedown of women, exposing their principle weaponry that exploits man’s greatest vulnerability: his carnal hunger for pussy. Women know it, and Vilar exposes their entire arsenal. It’s small wonder so few women respect men; how can you respect a creature that craves a creature that only seeks a man’s cooperation and protection, providing little else in return but access to her vagina?

    I think it was Mystery who pointed out that sign #1 of betatude is a visible interest in sex. Aloof is almost always mandatory. You are the prize. She must qualify to you or she’s slumming herself.

  • Ray

    No man will ever, and I mean never be loved as a human being by a female; ever!

    Does this mean that women are horrible creatures? No. What is horrible is the politically correctness and lies young boys are raised with. This sets them up later on in their adolesence and adulthood with false expectations about females and that is the crux of disappointment.

    If young boys are raised with the Truth about females, then boys will become much better adjusted when they start taking an interest in dating girls.

  • Victor Von Dizzle

    Roosh, I want to thank you for recommending The Manipulated Man. I started reading it two days ago and I can honestly say that Esther Vilar speaks the goddamn truth. I see it every time I go to a bar or a club: Women using the idea of sex to score free drinks from horny men (none of you bitches can say it isn’t true), and that’s just on a small scale. There’s a certain class of scum out there capable of manipulating the legal system in order to get men to pay for children that aren’t even theirs. I’m not even going to get into false rape accusations. I urge all men (especially betas) to read The Manipulated Man. Take it to heart. Once you realize that women are only using love, romance and their vaginas to manipulate you, your entire outlook on the game will change. The way you approach women will change. Protect yourselves, men.

  • David alexander

    Realized this long ago and bless vilar. it takes brass fucking balls to stand up against your own kind in those times.

    there are a few things to learn from this.

    she one-ups man’s insatiable curiosity for anything.. and she makes note that women will take on curiosity. in the game of life, and focus.. we’d do well to imitate women in this regard.

    she also mentioned

    let’s attempt to stay positive.

    an example of a marriage gone right that wasn’t a case of man being slavery is Alexander chugin. He chased his interests.. sparked the interest of a girl, and that girl became his devoted personal attendant. They benefitted from each other in a loving mutual respect.

    why do people get married/

    1) we desire heirs. to fulfill our biological imperative to reproduce. perhaps its time to graduate past the nuclear family.. perhaps a band of bros with women as property.

    plausible options

    the muslims allow a man to have complete control over their women and even the choice to beat her and kick her out of the house if she dares disobey. the women still has a secure place to stay, a place to raise children, a drama fix (she’s scared of the guy0 and her needs met. sounds barbaric eh? but its hella lot better than being the one RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DOWN PAYMENT in your house and being kicked out to sleep on the couch with these modern feminist clowns.

    2) a guy by the name of xsplat advocates the dominant angle, and considering the women his property. she is to obey and she is to be your servant. the youth and beauty they provide to his life is worth the costs of keeping them.

    3) true feminism where each HUMAN BEING has the right to be the “prize” the non prize has to chase ‘em. and offer dowries and offer service, and entertain them. everyone is held to a certain criteria when it comes to value. u gotta be smart, funny, morally conscious, u gotta be strong and so on and so forth and if you’re weaker you better make up for it through devotion and service (terms of surrender). this can be male or female led.

  • David alexander

    old school faiths like christianity worked because the gossiping, sluttery, shaming, and belittling of men were seen

    when you’ve got christ on your mind 24/7. and consider a marriage a mission. a contract between two for a greater good.. then its less about whos working for who and more about a team effort to fucking win in this life.

    even way back when, when america was conflicted with war and the young men went out.. the girls picked up their place. they saw the enemy as a threat to their ideal (democracy) and they immditaely did their part. there’s beauty in that.

    robert and susan downey was a solid relationship as well.
    susan saved rob when he was going through hell in the 90s and he became a star and never cheated despite the fame.

    its all about frame control really.

    you set the frame.
    you make demands.
    you control your woman.
    if she obeys and pleases you, then maybe she gets the ring.
    all bets are off if u become betasized

    one could be performing the actions of a slave.. but if he cherishes his wife so much and she admires him more.. then maybe just maybe it may work out.

  • moses

    Just read the book.

    While I thought a lot of Vilar’s rhetoric was way out there — e.g. “Women are incapable of feeling” — she did nail several points.

    One biggie was when she called the feminist movement a giant hoax on men. Fems convinced men that men were/are horrible oppressors of women, and men bought it! Vilar is shocked at men’s gullibility. She mentions counter-fem groups who are basically saying “Shhh! We’ve got it good, don’t let the cat out of the bag!”

    I see this in my own experience. I have ha handful of female cousins. The ones with high-earning husbands abandoned their careers and stay home. The ones with lower-earning husbands work — and bitch about how they have to work.

    The problem is that our society believes and rewards fems when they scream “oppression!” Incentives are powerful motivators of behavior. Like children screaming for a toy, fems will never stop screaming as long as they are rewarded for it.

  • Sonny Boy

    I strongly recommend that you guys read this podcast (there’s a transcript in english/portuguese in case you want) about the nature (and world) of woman.

    The first, from 1995:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0fuDthc2T0

    This one is from 2007:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSiff9PdWUc

    More from Sue here:
    http://www.naturalthinker.net/trl/texts/Hindmarsh,Suzanne/miscwomen.html
    http://members.optushome.com.au/davidquinn000/Quality%20Posts/Quality09.htm

    As you can see, Esther is not the only woman that was able to recognized what women are. I would say that Sue is even wiser than Esther.

    (Although she is inspired by this guy):

    ************
    In his book Sex and Character, Otto Weininger Weininger argues that all people are composed of a mixture of the male and the female substance, and attempts to support his view scientifically. The male aspect is active, productive, conscious and moral/logical, while the female aspect is passive, unproductive, unconscious and amoral/alogical. Weininger argues that emancipation is only possible for the “masculine woman”, e.g. some lesbians, and that the female life is consumed with the sexual function: both with the act, as a prostitute, and the product, as a mother. Woman is a “matchmaker”. By contrast, the duty of the male, or the masculine aspect of personality, is to strive to become a genius, and to forego sexuality for an abstract love of the absolute, God, which he finds within himself.
    ************

  • Sonny Boy

    I meant: “watch both podcasts”.

  • RD

    Just reading it now, it’s golden!

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    Women will be women. Men will be men. We’re equal only not the same.

  • RickRock33

    I am just starting to read this book but am hopeful that there is a way to balance things out between men and women a bit more. I’ve always recognized the power women have had throughout history but I think that there will never be such a thing as the two sexes being equal. What I have learned is that by entering into a relationship with you a woman is also making herself vulnerable to your influence. Through the teachings of several guys that have been in long term relationships, I’ve learned that there are ways to positively mold women into having better/honest relationships in which both parties are happy. It takes work and time but by maintaining the leadership position in the relationship (especially emotionally) we can make things better for everyone. It seems that too many women are no longer in touch with what will truly make them happy but a man with the right knowledge can help them find the way. For us to win, everyone in the relationship must win meaning we must be the example of how to love unselfishly but without losing our respect and manhood. It can be done. I am just learning this game but already have great hope for the future. The happiness of the whole family now rests on the shoulders of men in most cases vs how it used to be 50-60 years ago. I was disappointed when I came to this realization because I was automatically thinking “Great, something else I have to be responsible for”. Then I thought about it and decided it is better for me to be the person in charge of our happiness because I am less selfish than her and more willing to compromise/find the middle ground for both of us to be happy. She will never put me or our relationship first. Her needs and wants will always be the main priority so I am taking the reins. I will set the tone and get her to meet me in the middle while making her happier than she would ever be if she were calling the shots. My only advice is to make sure the woman is worth it and is very special to you. Without a strong love between you it would just be a waist of time.

  • Martin5750

    The bible clearly says feminism is satanic bullshit. Woman was created as a help meet to man. Man was created in the image of God, woman are by nature inferior that is why Eve gave in to temptation and condmed Adam to Gods wrath. Woman seeking equality with men is like Satan seeking equality with God. The decline of culture and sad state we live in where whores are celebrated and weak lustful men are enslaved by them is pathetic. Man was built to lead woman and comanded to do so by God. The atheist whores and weak men who grovel at their feet make me sick. The further away this country gets from religious doctrine the more disgusting its people become. It makes one question humanity as a whole and that the inevitable collapse of America isn’t to far away.

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  • OfficerOfTheWatch

    @ RickRock33 :

    So what you’re saying is that, other than being the breadwinner, you are also willing to go through hoops to keep a selfish cunt satisifed ?

    Sorry pal, but you really are a beta mangina par excellence.

  • hernandayoleary

    Truly eye opening this book should be on like the front page of every manosphere page

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  • Lachstar

    It’s not the work that is the issue; it’s the low rate of return for that work. Why work for so long, to gain so little?

  • Lachstar

    It’s not the work that is the issue; it’s the low rate of return for that work. Why work for so long, to gain so little?

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  • gfdf

    To call it a book is an understatement. It is a life-changing experience. It should be mandatory to read for every heterosexual man out there.

  • Duchamp

    “I still remember my social science professor in Junior High School telling the whole class (boys and girls) about this book openly. If I remeber well I was 14. ”

    That book was discussed in a public school in the USA? Fuck, how times have changed. I gaurentee that any student or teacher for that matter who had mere posession of the book on school grounds would be arrested today.

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    You mean the Js?