The Manosphere Is Lost

I just finished listening to a manosphere radio show that features a prominent blogger. His co-host is… a girl. I’m supposed to see value in her sharing thoughts on men’s issues, yet instead I’m disturbed at the platform she was given. I believe this is the exact moment that the manosphere has jumped the shark, where I’m now embarrassed to be a part of it. I predict within a couple years, the word “manosphere” will attract as much stench as the word “PUA.” There are two reasons for it: (1) The arrival of geeks who have no game, and (2) The infiltration of women.

There were three guys who first noticed this decline: Bronan, Danger & Play, and Nate. They mocked the “manospambots,” their obsession with the concepts “hypergamy” and “solipsism,” and their flocking to a community not for their own betterment but to rationalize their failures. Many of these new arrivals are married and so have a natural hostility to game and the bachelor’s option to sleep with more than one woman per year.

Take a look at the word hypergamy. Psychological studies now show that a man’s use of this word is highly correlated to not getting laid. And yes, the ability of a man to lay a woman is, for better or worse, a reliable indicator of his value. If you don’t agree with that then I think we all know why. The guys who have a tendency to use manosphere jargon are socially awkward in real life, similar to how PUAs of the previous decade who used acronyms like DDBL and FMAC didn’t actually know how to pick up. If a man doesn’t get laid, or doesn’t at least put in sustained effort, he has no business complaining about women on the internet. Bitterness is not a substitute for experience.

My position in the sphere insulated me from taking the criticisms of Bronan, D&P, and Nate seriously, because as a manosphere elder I did want it to crush feminism and so on. I closed my eyes to a lot of what was going on. The Mark Minter affair, however, made me realize that this community is turning into one of pussy beggars, nearing the level of men’s rights activists. It wasn’t Minter himself that made me come to this conclusion, but the reaction to his fall.

I hate to beat an old horse, but you could not find a man in America more against marriage than Minter. If you google “hates marriage more than anyone in the world,” your browser would crash, the lights would flicker, and Minter himself would knock on your door, demanding you sign a binding contract to never marry a Western woman. And what did he do? He put a ring on a manosphere groupie that he may not even have banged yet. Surprisingly, the response from a large part of the sphere was to defend or congratulate him. Dozens rose up to argue that it’s not necessary to practice what you preach, that it’s okay to be a keyboard jockey, and that it’s fine to play make-believe. Nah, I don’t play that—I never have and I never will. I don’t want to be a part of any community that defends phonies, because it’s obvious those defenders are envious of Minter’s grand score and are actively trying to get laid by a 30-something manosphere broad themselves.

The flood of these beta males, who have never approached a woman in their lives, coincided with the arrival of women. It’s known that women try to poison places where men congregate, but trailing them was a long line of beta males and white knights who are desperate for their attention. It becomes a feedback loop where the arrival of women encourages more weak men to follow which then encourages even more women to come. Instead of keeping them out, some manosphere veterans are welcoming them with open arms. There is a large subset of men who now participate in the sphere primarily to get female commenter attention. It’s pathetic. The manosphere used to be full of Biggies and Tupacs—now everyone is tripping over themselves to be Drake, blogging and commenting in the hopes they may get laid. (I apologize in advance to the large number of neo-Nazis in the manosphere for comparing them to a man of non-Aryan race.) It’s hard for me to accept that the manosphere is well on its way to becoming a match.com for old people who hate blacks.

In December I made the following prediction:

Only now do I now foresee what my prediction entailed. First, it’s important to understand that the mainstream cannot publish dangerous ideas. They must be sanitized beforehand. Men’s rights victims—I mean activists—are getting some mainstream exposure right now. Do you know why? Because their movement is impotent. It’s safe. Their mention in articles is mainly a vehicle to publish feminist talking points and inoculate the masses against their whining. And when the spotlight was moved onto this side of the sphere, who did it shine on? A married woman named Dr. Helen. She made the media rounds to cash in on a book which “borrowed” the ideas we have been masticating on for over five years. You’d think there would be outrage, but there was congratulations instead. She was looked on as a savior who may help us get more traffic to our blogs, a trailblazer that would bless us with exposure in the Huffington Post and The Atlantic. How sad is it for a community to decry white knighting but seek one in a married woman? I will never let a woman speak for me or the community I’m a part of, and the only way to ensure that is not to be a part of one where men are rushing to munch the carpet of an elderly woman in her 60s.

At its peak, the non-MRA portion of the manosphere excelled at teaching men how to get laid while laying down Chris Brown-style pimp slaps on feminists. It was great: guys were simultaneously sharing important knowledge and making the world a better place. I’ve happily met over 200 of my readers by now, but I wouldn’t dare meet a lot of these fat old dudes who are the fastest growing segment of the manosphere today. It’s one thing to complain about having to work hard to improve your station, but it’s another thing to complain while hoping to bang a female manosphere commenter who is a 4 on her best day. The worst part of it is that guys are drooling over old manosphere women who are already married. I don’t associate with these people in real life, so why would I do so online?

Don’t read the writings of men who don’t get laid. If a man can’t solve the challenge of getting his dick wet, he’s a poseur and internet warrior. He’s a bloviator, a troll. Don’t read the writings of men who don’t know how to walk up to a woman and start a conversation. Don’t read the writings of men who lavish attention on female commenters, because if he was getting laid in real life, he wouldn’t even notice them. Game is an obligatory pursuit for the Western man in 2013, and if he is not pursuing it, he’s not someone worth listening to. He’s weak and scared. He needs to talk to women instead of spending hours a day nurturing his beloved manosphere personality. His world view, contaminated by a lack of female intimacy, will lead you down the wrong path. These fools have tainted a community of men that exclusively stood for getting laid and spreading truth, but now rushes to pardon obvious fakes like Minter.

At risk of sounding dramatic, I’m stepping away from the manosphere. I don’t want to be associated with a community I’m finding increasingly hard to identify with. I can’t control what other people do on their sites, but I can control what happens here, on the forum, and on ROK. I will gleefully ban all women, keyboard jockeys, and whiny divorced men. For as long as I’m alive, my sites will remain a place where men can be unapologetically male. The manosphere, sadly, is no longer that place. It had a good run, but it’s time for something purely masculine to rise up in its stead.

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  • http://www.the3bromigos.com MattC

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    I don’t actively read much on the manosphere these days, I just stick to detailing my life on my blog and reading very few others that I can relate to. I suggest you do the same and worry about your own affairs, as I’m sure you are.

  • http://www.ruxman.com Ruxman

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  • http://kholeinthecentralvalley.wordpress.com K-hole

    The average heartiste commenter sounds like he doesn’t have any game. Looking at the things they write (and the way they’re written) it makes me think, “Do you even approach, bro?”

    Manosphere commenters seem way too uptight these days. Way too straight-laced. If it wasn’t for you and degenerates like delicious tacos, I wouldn’t read blogs at all.

  • Aretijgfhb

    Beta males and geeks are the ones buying your books, giving you page views and passing on your work to people outside the manosphere.

    You may not like the direction it’s going in, but it will make you a wealthier man.

  • Mike Doe

    What worries me more than the influx of beta males and women is that young men have now lost a genuine place that encourages positive masculinity.

    Now it’s mostly fucking bullshit drama and empty posts, devoid of any real meaning.

    The manosphere was never perfect, I assume most developed their own opinion after a few months and agreed to disagree on marriage, quality of girls, life philosophies etc.

    Most people can’t even think for themselves today.

    “BUT THE AUTHOR JUST SAID IT’S BETA IF I DO X!”

    “BRO I’M FUCKING DARK TRIAD, I CAN’T WAIT TO BE A CUNT TO THE NEXT BITCH I MINDFUCK INTO A TOXIC RELATIONSHIP”

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  • droid

    Do not read the posts of combative, ignorant noobs on RVF who won’t answer to factual, sourced rebuttals.

  • droid

    4 K-Hole: agree. heartiste might be a joke site run by frat girls dealing with Roissy wannabes that pop up like VC everywhere they turn.

  • droid

    *sorority

    typo bc I assume the writers and readers there imagine themselves as belonging to alpha alpha alpha

  • http://hiddenleaves.wordpress.com Stratton

    I’m married and I noticed the decline. It’s not just the whiners. It’s also the unbelievable standards and numbers bots. Dudes online 24/7 and maintaining harems of perfect tens. Yeah, okay.

  • http://blog.illusionofsanity.com Dr. Illusion

    When I first discovered the Manosphere, I thought it was all about self improvement and learning the truth about human nature, and how to use that knowledge for our own ends.

    Now a lot of it is wallowing in self pity and blaming every problem in the world on women/hypergamy. I just avoid the BS whiny blogs and focus on the good stuff.

    I don’t think you can really escape the manosphere, unless you stop blogging altogether or blog under a new name without letting anyone know.

  • mina

    I was shamed, denigrated and got a whole lot of limp-wristed white knight behavior from a popular manosphere blogger as a response to my suggestion that his “manosphere forum” if not exclude women at least create a mens-only section for the men.

    I agree with you, whole heartedly. I participate only occasionally on topics that I think I can actually contribute something to the conversation.

    Other than that I just like to read and learn about how men think.

    It’s certainly a hell of a lot more productive and interesting than learning about women think – nuff said.

  • Tampa

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    I think your blog has gone down that road a little too.

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    We need to get back to basics.

  • LaM

    Funny to post that while at the same time you have ROK bloggers going on and on about how “way too valuable” their time is while posting rant after rant of piss-poor content (poke McQueen, so rich he is selling ebooks on the net).

    The keybooard alphas are on ROK as well.

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  • Drano

    You’re just as guilty as Donlak and others. You’re the one who let girls write posts on RoK and then gave shit to all the commentators that told you it was a bad idea.

    Fortunately you’re getting your barrings back and see what the sphere truly is. Funny thing is the sphere hasn’t changed much at all since the early days, it’s just larger now.

  • Superfreak

    One whiner pseudo-white knight ruined it all? Really. Come on, I’ve learned great things from valuable angles in your publications, but recently you seem to have lost interest in scoring. Not gonna guess or suppose why, but don’t find scapegoats to blame your disinterest in.
    If you’ve reached an age where for some reason banging has lost its priority, move on. Find something else. Heck, write about it.
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  • Premature E

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  • Capitalist Pig

    The answer to this to charge for the content. The fat old guys and women won’t bother if they have to pay and the serious men will happily pay for the content as long as you price it right. All of the best manosphere writers should be charging for access to the content you publish.

  • Jim

    You answered your own question.

    “A married woman named Dr. Helen. She made the media rounds to cash in on a book which “borrowed” the ideas we have been masticating on for over five years. You’d think there would be outrage, but there was congratulations instead. She was looked on as a savior who may help us get more traffic to our blogs, a trailblazer that would bless us with exposure in the Huffington Post and The Atlantic. How sad is it for a community to decry white knighting but seek one in a married woman?”

    “Don’t read the writings of men who don’t get laid. If a man can’t solve the challenge of getting his dick wet, he’s a poseur and internet warrior. He’s a bloviator, a troll. Don’t read the writings of men who don’t know how to walk up to a woman and start a conversation. Don’t read the writings of men who lavish attention on female commenters, because if he was getting laid in real life, he wouldn’t even notice them.”

    If men go out into the MSM and try to explain it, won’t they themselves be thought of as the paragraph up above? Thing is the MSM is setting up the manosphere as a rag tag collection of exactly just that. No one is realizing it just yet.

  • Deebos

    Anywhere men congregate is bound to fall if given over to Western ideals. Western ideals cannot tolerate anything that is exclusive to men, particularly when the stated goal is toward self improvement or equalization of the dating playing field. Sadly, the decline is typically due to men not living according to their own moral code but rather chasing what is popular, gives you more street cred, or makes you “appear” that you’re the man. Appearance, rather than being…ring a bell Mark? Including women only contributes to chasing the popularity contest and the flashiness of fake. Men of character have never been concerned with these things, the chase is the goal, the seduction of beautiful women the reward.

  • http://theprivateman.wordpress.com The Private Man

    Yo Roosh, do what you must. I’ll keep on doing what I do because I’m still a Manosphere guy.

    ‘Cuz I’m old and shit.

  • / Hipstersstink

    I still can’t understand how someone meets and marries a girl via comments on a blog?? Or how / why you would consider it as an option (unless she’s hot and just wants to bang and appearance is verified in advance, then MAYBE)?

  • Anonymous

    meanwhile the fem-o-sphere also seems to be melting down pretty spectacularly with the hugo schyzer thing

    also in addition to roissy’s commenters, a lot of his posts read like someone who has never talked to a girl

  • http://elementsofgame.wordpress.com AudioRebellion

    It almost seems like we are on the loosing side a war of attrition…

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    “look at me, i’m a woman”

    The shit has to go…

    I just ignore any blogger who willingly incorporates a female into his voice to the manosphere.

  • pm

    Yeah, always suspected that readership of some blogs must be full of losers. Because neo-nazis aren’t usually exactly winners.. heh

  • http://admiralcod.blogspot.com/ Laguna Beach Fogey

    Apology accepted.

    The thing I find most aggravating about the Manosphere is that these guys talk way too much. They just won’t shut the hell up. I’ve always found this trait surprising (and telling), given how much aloofness and self-control are prized in the community. Honestly, for these guys, 90% of life must consist of shooting their mouth on the InterWebs.

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  • Edward Thatch

    I like this, Roosh. I’m glad you’re keeping watch. Young men who are 10 years old right now will need a place like this when they get older.

    I’m glad Nate told me to read this. I’ve been slacking on my Manosphere reading lately.

    -Thatch

  • N

    “And yes, the ability of a man to lay a woman is, for better or worse, a reliable indicator of his value.” erm,no?Sure its a good thing and important in your well being but an indicator of value?So you think all the scientists who invented something,those who brought this world here,who actually did something constructive,added something to society were all of less value than you,a guy who erm,fucks women and live in cheap appartments?This makes a lot of sense buddy.

  • http://gameforomegas.wordpress.com Omega Man

    The PUA/game business has always been pretty long on hype and promises and short on useful information. It became sort of a joke a few years ago. That its clichés are now something see occasionally in low comedy is indication of the powerlessness of the typical man. The only real game is serious, long-term self-improvement.

  • TGL

    Nice marketing ploy to differentiate your blog from others as the ‘manosphere market’ starts becoming saturated.

  • Lone Wolf

    ” …envious of Minter’s grand score and are actively trying to get laid by a 30-something manosphere broad themselves.” If so, very sad.

    “It becomes a feedback loop where the arrival of women encourages more weak men to follow which then encourages even more women to come. Instead of keeping them out, some manosphere veterans are welcoming them with open arms.” not vets at all, just old.

    “There is a large subset of men who now participate in the sphere primarily to get female commenter attention. It’s pathetic. The manosphere used to be full of Biggies and Tupacs—now everyone is tripping over themselves to be Drake, blogging and commenting in the hopes they may get laid.” Very good analogy Roosh!

    It’s difficult to get a group of strong men together outside of manosphere topics. So to do so within the realm of bettering game is equivocally difficult, if not more. The best that can be done is filtering. Potency is the key, not mass numbers. Maybe the manosphere per se, is really not what you’re a progenitor of Roosh, or better termed something else.

  • http://alphapursuit.net unpluggedbeta

    I look up to you Roosh; if you say these guys are out to pollute my pursuit of Game by corrupting my thoughts with urges to pathetically White Knight “manosphere women,” then I want nothing to do with them. Thank you for bringing this up so I can avoid their loser whining. I spent the majority of my life like them and I’m trying to break out; I don’t need them attempting to drag me back in and erase all of my progress towards pussy paradise.

  • Anonymous

    Although I respect Roosh, I think this persona he has taken on that women are the root of all evil is terrible for the manosphere.

    This post also gives off a vibe of prima dona… “I am leaving because this community has five women in it” is NOT a good attitude for young men to swallow.

  • geo

    perhaps the ‘manosphere’ was doomed to ridicule when that label was adopted. It triggers the painful memory of sensitive naked man drum circles of the late 80s among other things (insert soci-linguistic theory citing Wharf).

    And lately the ‘manosphere’ is drawing more angry people. Instead of “staying for the culture war” now they’re arriving for the culture war. Too much negativity and men who see themselves as victims. Who would want to be associated with male victims of anything…other than other male victims.

    Seems the pure “game” bloggers that avoid the culture war thing (e.g. Tyler Durden, Juggler, Neil Strauss) are not that mainstream. They’re doing the lord’s work but are not paragons of masculine leadership. Bravo may be doing a better job..though I’ve yet to spend much time on his site.

    Under the radar is unfortunate because men learning game can be immensely positive for both sexes and these men know how to provide tacit leadership when required. But the science, like evolution, makes people uncomfortable so under the radar it will likely remain.

    seems like your head may be heading to a dark place …. don’t forget that people have improved their lives both as a result of this website and by your example of seizing control of your life trajectory

    keep it positive and your legacy can be a generation of fathers who teach their sons about game and they will stand apart from sensitive hipster types and provide the type of masculine leadership this country will need.

    Ok,back to work. I have a job

  • http://krauserpua.com Krauser

    Ironically, your “leaving the manosphere” is really just setting up a new manosphere like it used to be before the gimp/tart invasion.

    And seeing as you control probably 50% of total manosphere traffic these days this new version will succeed. Good idea I think.

  • Anonymous

    28N : Of course you can’t give the value of a man solely by his ability to lay women, but it can still give you an idea. A good part the skills needed to lay women are the same needed to succeed in other parts of life.

    Most CEO’s, senators and other men with prestigious postitions would have no problem laying women (even without mentioning their job or flaunting money). And those who have insane game often have the skills land a well-paid job if they want to put effort into it.

  • Sam Spade

    So quit bringing up this Minter guy. He is one man – who cares? He single-handedly turned the manosphere into a silly imitation of Jizzabel feminists, wasting time excommunicating one person as an example to all.

  • Rod

    I love your work roosh but …

    You are also the man that went public on Eastern block tv shinning a Light on the game culture and drawing more attention to men that travel abroad to bang hotter / more feminine chicks .. Yes the manosphere has in effect gone mainstream .. I agree with you and I hate it but lets not forget who MAY have helped push it in that direction ( in the eastern block at least )

    Sorry bud . Still a fan tho

  • Dude

    Your right .. Women infest man orientated things be it hobbies / jobs whatever because they are too lame to have their own . Even charity things like Movemeber ( man cancer charity ) is a constant outlet for female attention whoring going out wearing fake moustaches etc . Fuck them . They have enough chick charities of their own but oh no they need to creep into ours aswell . I hate it .

    Roosh . you stay true .. Fuck the sell outs and the pussy beggars . Keep going and keep the faith .

  • jm074

    The parasites have latched on.

  • / Hipstersstink

    Haha to the Dude – good call on the Movember thing. I noticed that this past year. Girls wearing fake moustaches at a Movember event in a bar. So annoying. Because just being a girl in a bar full of dudes wouldn’t bring you enough attention?

  • Anon

    Roosh, i see what youre saying, but i think your aim is off. For instance you aren’t dr Helen’s target audience. Her book was written for all the clueless folk who can’t seem to figure out why men won’t ‘man up’ and get married. You write for the men in the trenches. She writes for the people on the sidelines who dont even understand why there’s a battle.

  • Dude

    … Further more these afternoon whoring cunts that think they are ‘ one of the boys ‘ and ‘ get on better with guys than girls ‘ … All ego boosting validation cunts . There is no reason on earth for a (straight ) woman to be : a mechanic , racing car driver , fisherman , engineer etc . It like a straight guy having a career in hairdressing … Then again at least he would admit he’s doing it for the pussy pool

  • ImHopeless

    Harsh words..so we should all learn “game” so we can all raise the self esteem of the entitled princesses even more but mass approaching.
    So someone who has written BOOKS about how spoiled and impossible western women are, will now not allow others to post at his forum about that same thing ?

  • ImHopeless

    I will only game eastern asian and sa women..in their countries. No way I’ll do cold approaches here just to be met by eye rolls and “get lost creep” attitudes from 6s.
    If that make me a loser in your mind, fine..

  • jake

    A post, saying “let’s get together and have fun chasing women” – anywhere, anytime in all of Eastern Europe, got … zero takers. In a somewhat popular forum, with that exact target audience

    I think almost ALL dudes talking a lot about game, and notches, and flags in particular, don’t actually get laid. Or maybe they do, but with quality they don’t actually want to be seen with, around guys who know what’s what.

    Btw, Rooshenburgen, how about it? A humorous game-off, in Eastern Europe. You’re supposed to be into that.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve avoided the “manosphere” from the time I ran across it due to the simple fact I felt all along it was full of weak minded losers.

    Roosh’s revelation is not news to me.

    If men take their balls back feminism will go away.

    And if a guy keeps his balls in the first place, feminism rarely bothers him in his day to day pursuits.

  • Tim

    for what it’s worth, roosh, I always thought return of kings was beta to the core. think about it. even the name makes you think of steve carell in the forty year old virgin, or an asian kid.

    This (rooshv)is a good blog, roosh. Just keep it simple. Stick to what you know.

  • http://king1xa@yahoo.com Matthew King

    Cults remain cults because they subject themselves to perpetual purity tests, until only the cult founder remains, who insists that his increasingly specific idiosyncrasies become the standard of purity.

    You fellows have all the substance you need to take over the culture, and all the political acumen of Dennis Kucinich’s campaign manager. You tempt me to blog under another name and show you pikers how it is done. But it’s only a temptation, easily forsworn. I’d rather see you figure it out on your own.

    If a movement is so brittle that the first sally from the outside world ramifies it into a hundred sub-sects, that’s a sign you are too precious, too rarefied to survive. You need ruggedness, adaptability, perseverance in the face of (perceived) betrayal. You take your ideology too seriously to make it significantly applicable to human behavior.

    Bubble boys without contact to pathogens never develop an immunity system and die upon contact with their first germ. You are exhibiting that kind of deadly vulnerability by treating outsiders as infiltrators rather than as opportunities for persuasion and alliance, who just haven’t been fully initiated yet.

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  • Traveller

    For how much I admire Roosh, I can not say I completely agree.

    This is the net so it is obvious many will feel the desire to appear better than they are.

    Ok but my point is, actually, the manosphere is not only game. It is primarily a place where men can get conscience of discrimination against them, divorce laws, domestic violence, schools against boys and so on.

    I do not think game alone can solve everything.

    Of course women should not have such power, but a man telling his pain for example during a divorce, can be useful and instructive about the current laws.

    Let’s not dismiss him as a loser with no game. Instead, let him know about the proper spaces, game sites, laws and society blogs etc.

    For me, the infiltration of catholics and other religious nuts is equal if not worse than women’s.

    You never had problems naming that guy Minter and now we have an anonymous “prominent blogger”? Name it please.

  • anon1

    not everyone of your readers is a closet white knight hypocrite.

    there were some that defended minter because A) idolisation B) as you identified some people think have manosphere ideals can get you laid in the same way people thought magic tricks and peacocking would get you laid circa 2005.

    Glad to say, i was and Am neither.

    I’d like to see a breakdown of your commenter stats, but i think there’s enough ‘normals’ in the group that bitching out the minority is just seperating a lot of wheat from a little chaff.

    I think when i first was coming into red pill thinking it was not possible for me to be more jaded with the rest of the world [seeing the bullshit for what it was, finding brothers that identified with that and had answers routed in history, evolutionary psychology, and tradition made non red pill life unbearable].

    Now over time, i find it increasingly difficult to maintain that level of anger, i simply do not really care, outside of what i do and the people i interact with.

    Maybe its different because you feel a kind of responsibility as a ‘manosphere elder’ but to me,
    shedding and renaming every movement matters little in the long run.

    You’re not going to get purity unless you personally vet all your readers and put up a paywall.

    And if the manosphere is for spreading ideas and people seeking to take the red pill [there are still new people, frustrated teenagers, people who came into the manosphere with a burning desire of anger, that have discovered a whole new and better way of thinking and looking at the world] then there is always going to be a bit of chaff [weak hypocrites]coming in. putting up barriers cuts off new supporters as well.

    my two cents. fuck i did not enjoy writing this that much at all, rereading my comment its very whiney and overbearing, but i feel i had to.

    Anon1

  • derthal

    There are so few men only clubs these days.

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    jinna Ziller and Mangosteen ring a bell?

  • ken

    Back in the 60s, I was in college, and as a white guy I thought I’d be cool and prove I wasn’t prejudiced. I thought I’d go to a black bar, have a beer, and a conversation with the people there. It was late afternoon. I walked in and sat down at the bar. No one spoke, not to me and not to each other. There were about 5 or 6 men there. The bartender didn’t speak but I ordered a beer anyway. He brought it. At this point, I noticed that the jukebox, which had been playing when I walked in, was now silent and unplugged. No body made a sound as I drank my beer. As I was walking out the door, I heard the jukebox start up again.

    If you want to reserve a space for your kind, and your kind only, you have to follow this example. Ignore all those you don’t want around. Do not respond to them. Do not talk to them. Pretend they do not exist. Ignore their comments and arguments.

    I never went back to that bar.

  • http://therationalmale.com Rollo Tomassi
  • Roberto Mugabito

    hasta larevolución

  • http://www.bronanthebarbarian.com Bronan The Barbarian!

    Roosh – great article and thanks for the shout out. Glad to see you’re breaking affiliation with the manosphere.

    After a months-long reading hiatus, I recently poked around the manosphere and discovered a post-apocalyptic blog world in which bots had taken over. Poon Runner has become real life, with a few brave freedom writers resisting the bot force.

    The 2010 blog community was a positive, life-changing experience. I had a lot of fun participating, learned a ton about game/self-improvement and made some great friends.

    In 2013, the fetid stench of the whiny loser and the attention-seeking fraud permeates the blog world. I don’t know how a new guy could separate the gold from the bot scrap metal. If I discovered the manosphere today, I’d turn around and run.

    Let’s build something new.

  • Anonymous

    Again the straw man sophistry. Deep down, you’re just another leftist.

    “Strawman” – manospambot stock term #26

    “sophistry” – manospambot stock term #218

    “leftist” – manospambot stock term #8

    3 manospambot stock terms in only 10 words. Really high score. Bonus points would have been received if you used the term “leftoid” instead of “leftist.” That would have been extra Roissyish.

  • http://therationalmale.com Rollo Tomassi

    Look at any blog comment by Matt King and you’ll get your high score for manospam.

    Roosh, I’m thinking it’s more about the hit-and-run commenters without blogs and the bloggers themselves.

    I’ve been telling Dalrock since Dr. Helen’s book got published that she’s doing damage to the manosphere by lifting his material and presenting it as her own. She’s proof that no man could be taken seriously for the same material, but she’s simply not a representative of anything resembling the ‘sphere.

  • Mr. Truth

    Agree 100% with the substance of this post but it is hard to take your complaints seriously given (i) the guys who are the top posters in your forum, (ii) the guys who write for RoK and (iii) the fact that you have repeatedly linked to the gmanifesto. it seems like the only alternative you offer to angry married guys are virginal dweeb posers and cheap online marketers.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t really think PUA and Manoshere are connected. I also think manosphere is unimportant and pointless since it has no political will and wil l never achieve political power like feminism did.
    Yes we know feminism is bad..but that’s not the only thing screwing American women. Lets blame the male controlled media and Hollywood that tells women she deserves a handsome guy.

  • Hook or Crook

    This post = The Chateau, to a tee. Read the archives from when it was still run by “Roissy” and you’ll be shocked at the difference in quality and direction. The original Roissy posts are what woke me up from a 9 year celibate slumber; the current Chateau makes me throw my arms into the air in exasperation.

    As for the Mark Minter debacle: feel free to hand me my tinfoil hat, but I believe that both “Minter” and “Kate” [and the angry ex-wife who somehow found them both and chose to post under his surname...is this all starting to sound ridiculous now?] were sock puppets for the same person. Read some of the banter between them during the months just prior the “engagement”, and you’ll see lovers dialogue so forced and laughable that you might be ashamed that you ever believed any of it. There is actually a bit in the Rational Male comment section where she’s complaining about how large his cock is(“He’s going to kill me with it!!”), and then a section where Mark is giving advice on how to snag a hot, younger girl by basically being a blowhard on the internet and screaming that you hate marriage (followed by ‘Kate’ telling girls how to snag a blowhard on the internet by doing…whatever it is that she did). He even nauseatingly describes how she wants him to put a baby in her. I’m not dedicated enough to provide links, but its there if you’re willing to search a few months of Rollo comments, and it practically broke my bullshit meter.

  • http://30daystox.com/ XDAYS

    Good stuff. I usually only read D&P, you, and Matt Forney.

    It’s good to see that the “manosphere” leader is denouncing what the the sphere has degraded into. For an organization that inspired my friends and I to hit the gym, learn to talk to women, grow backbones, and embark on adventure; it’s turned into a bunch of nerdy lame-dicks who sound like whiny Redditers.

    I hate to say it, but many of the spheres new occupants actually fit the Manboobz stereotype of butthurt virgins.

    In 5 years we’ll remember the manosphere in the same way we remember the PUA movement. As something that could have reached greatness had it not been dragged into oblivion by it’s own followers, too ignorant to understand the movements true meaning.

  • http://kholeinthecentralvalley.wordpress.com K-hole

    Remember when Roissy was funny and clever? The memory of that blog’s greatness is fucking distant.

  • http://therationalmale.com Rollo Tomassi

    @Hook or Crook, I called bullshit first. Still waiting on pics.

  • Anonymous

    This post = The Chateau, to a tee. Read the archives from when it was still run by “Roissy” and you’ll be shocked at the difference in quality and direction. The original Roissy posts are what woke me up from a 9 year celibate slumber; the current Chateau makes me throw my arms into the air in exasperation.

    how gullible are you guys to actually believe it’s two different guys? his internet fame just made him get more open and virulent with his beliefs. he always linked to steve sailer, he always hated liberals, and he always pandered to nationalists. he was just very subtle about it before. now that he’s so popular, he’s confident enough to do it openly. i think he created the “two roissys” theory himself to recover from the outing.

  • Anonymous

    so if it does turn out to be sock puppets galore, is that better or worse for the manosphere?

  • splooge

    been noticing this as well and i did say this on rok that this site is turnin into some mra male jezebel crap and got banned from commenting.the whole reason ive been up to date with the manospehere is to improve my chances with quality women not lusting for 4s.agree with u roosh. but why complain bout women when u can learn to manipulate their nature.though i havent started practing game..i will this month by readin ur books first. i have pulled a couple moves an noticed better responses. doing the opposite if your moms advice gives you better results. the only women alliwed on manosphere are the red pill ones. otherwise annoying since they pc everything. in real life i drop a lil red pill thinkin an gotten better results with people in general instead of noddin along favourin women…guess that was a subtle shit test from em.
    ya the manosphere has too many mras n wn that hate black arabs an other dark skin minorities
    the manosphere to me is a place where i learn to become an alpha male. i saved some links of the best posts on the manosphere to remind on wht to work on to get there.id like to say im a lil awkward but better then before. im glad i stumbled on this blog last year and followed others because ot like virgile kent mark zolo ffy etc. ill be gettin ready soon to take up your 400 approach challenge(10 a day..2 sets at nite n 2 sets at day) i rather lose my virginity on my terms ffrom what i want then be dumpster divin and pick up scraps and feel greatful for it..i was surprised tgat minter went beta n married a baby mama…even blue pill wouldnt do that…ill be hittin the 5×5 stronglifts today,signin back on livemocha someday to practice language and workin on givin up porn nfappin(really hard but reduced drastically). i have made some minor improvements like ege contact n such an now im plannin for the major ones above.
    i was devolpin some red pill thoght on my own but findin ur blog among others realy tied them together an made sense of it.even adding more to it to the point it becomes repetive concept. your blog was the start of all this for me so i can be the dominent man i want an need to be. you start relearnin wht it means to be a man thats been lost for a while after reafin all those posts. ill be usin the ch test as a guidline and be sure to ace 1 of those 27 questions to be alpha. if n when i complete all this an get that success with women id be willin to start my own blog like urs to help others like the manosphere has done for me. ive done the theartical an now for the practical to go from omega to beta to alpha. ill be sure to keep those links as reminders as i make tge transition. from indirect openers to shit tests to dates n number closing.
    figured as the manosphere were to go mainstream outside liberal pc forces such as women n mra are nound to ruin it. before that happens i just wanna thank u and the rest of the manosphere for helpin me figure out my life. ill be sure to keep up with ur n their posts as daily reminders as always

  • Lance Vance

    You’re still talking about Mark Minter dog? GET THE FUCK OVER IT! The only who’s lost is you. Banning people ’cause they don’t agree with you? Turning your Doosh V Forum AND RO-gay into a circle-jerk? Dumbass.

    You brought it on yourself, brah. And you’re gonna bring it on a lotta these dudes who realize you make the grass seem greener than it really is. If your blog’s the real deal, if ROK and your bitch-ass forum’s the real deal, why the fuck do you need to write books? You’re full of shit.

    And for that, you can suck my fucking dick.

  • Tim

    Plenty of Fish truly does suck. They just instituted a rule whereby you cannot contact bitches that are 15 years younger than you. Plus have you seen these mutts? They are fat and yet they have a laundry list of demands. Unfuckingbelieveable.

  • Ryan

    “If you google ‘hates marriage more than anyone in the world,’ your browser would crash, the lights would flicker, and Minter himself would knock on your door”

    I’m dying.

  • Random guy

    Stay true to yourself Roosh. I’ve been an avid reader of your work for years now. It’s inevitable that when something begins to gain traction like the manosphere has over the last few years, it will eventually be spoiled and poisoned by women and white nights trying to get a piece of the action. Here is the truth: men simply cannot have an honest dialogue about anything of importance when women are present or involved in any way. The manosphere is no exception. When women are around, men behave differently. Some of the scared men will be ultra PC around women, and others will turn into shameless pussy chasers who will say anything in the false belief that supplicating to a women will lead to her giving sexual access. Be a real man is very hard these days. But we all know the truth. It is well worth it.

  • ATC

    Re-read Neil Strauss’ “The Game” if you haven’t in a while. A lot of the exact same drama happened to Mystery’s Hollywood lair…women coming between them, guys who lost interest in game, noobs with their own agenda…

    Mystery and Style emerged stronger than ever…the most useful thinkers always will.

  • http://www.manosphereradio.com/ ManosphereRadio

    Damn, guess I missed the boat on that one..

  • Tim

    ha ha ATC nailed. i was thinking the same thing. you’re having a mysteryesque breakdown. you’ll snap out of it.

  • Twin Fusion

    It is filled now with Beta boy pussies who lower themselves in value to get comments from females. Women, understand that the only way you have been able to go this far is by Beta enablement. Kinda a microcosim of how things work on a larger scale in our society as well. If you are female on this site DO NOT FUCKING COMMENT. I encourage you to read the site and take it in but you have shown that you are typical and cannot keep your trap shut on our site. Real alphas don’t even read your comments or give a rats ass about them. The fact that you females comment proves your rudeness and inferiority and everything we have said about you. Now you Beta Boy pussies let me teach you something, do not even acknowledge the female commentators….going to be hard for you but fucking ignore them. If you can’t, we are going to start calling you out.

  • Anonymous

    @Tim – 15 years younger would be ok, it’s actually 7 years younger.

  • http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis Jack Donovan

    I don’t know about “The Manosphere” per se, but I agree and have been saying for years that you can’t have a legitimately masculine space if you allow women to participate. They will have to make it safe for them, and if you give them a voice, they will become the only voice.

    Begging for female approval and permission to be men is the opposite of anything worth saving about “the manosphere.”

    In reality, the “manosphere” will continue, because men will keep writing about their frustrations, as men, with a world that increasingly stigmatizes masculinity. There will simply be a fresh crop of men who revitalize the topic, because men will continue to be hungry for it.

  • Anonymous

    “how gullible are you guys to actually believe it’s two different guys? his internet fame just made him get more open and virulent with his beliefs…now that he’s so popular, he’s confident enough to do it openly. i think he created the “two roissys” theory himself to recover from the outing.”

    I really don’t think it’s the same person. The Roissy blog from 2007-2009 had some of the most brilliant, incisive game writing ever. Then the quality of the writing dropped MASSIVELY and now it’s nothing but substance-free fluff pieces, paranoid white nationalist rants, and limp-wristed pandering to his “harem” of weird aspie female blog groupie (some of whom have posted photos and none of whom rank above a 6.) It’s not even a shadow of what it used to be; either Lady Raine clocked him on the head and he suffered frontal lobe damage, or it ain’t the same person.

  • JamesD’anconia

    Thanks Roosh

  • trillmatic

    “Again the straw man sophistry. Deep down, you’re just another leftist.”

    Roosh isn’t a leftist. He doesn’t seem like the type of guy who would allow fast food venues to receive EBT incentives from welfare participants. Said participants should be shopping for healthy dietary needs via grocery stores, since most taxpayers would want their money to go toward a good cause.

    The “Free McDs” program is a product of my home state. Can you guess which one? Hint: we elected a faux-cowboy and a juicer

  • Deed Nutzs

    Like they say in the hood notches ain’t shit! And if it’ll make you laugh it’ll make you cry. Real players don’t loves them his.
    West side out beetch.

  • Dude

    Tim –

    Well said on the POF thing .. But don’t forget they are normally also single mums DEMANDING men treat then right and ‘don’t want players ‘ and ‘ their kid is their world’ … Copy and paste profiles that every 20-26 year old retarded single mum on pof writes .
    Who in their right mind would post a picture of then selves with some ugly little kid on pof then in the next frame have a picture with their tits hanging out but still write ‘ I want a true gentleman who will treat me like a princess and I’m not jut here for a quick &£&k ‘ .. The mind boggles .. For sport I had taken to messaging these ridiculous whores and calling them out on their idiotic hypercritical nonsense

  • Carlos

    Time to move on to second wave manospherism and leave the neo-nazis and fat old guys behind.

  • R.L.

    Yeah I would say the average age of the guys in the manosphere is in the mid 30s, just going by the comments I read on all these blogs. I’m still fairly new myself, but when I first started reading these blogs I sort of thought this was a community of average aged 20 something’s to share tips on the best places to pick up bangs and discuss topics relating to men from a masculine perspective without women butting in desperate for that precious internet approval.

    Just reading the typical section of comments, the sheer amount of guy’s who talk about how women are deceptive and that they’ll never marry/engage one again is almost to the point of sad. They couldn’t figure out women’s true nature by themselves until they were 35+ and divorced? Then why do they come on here spewing out women hate as if we don’t already know exactly what they’re like? Real men don’t hate women – hating them implies they’re on the same level as us. We already know they’re not, there’s no need to say it aloud, it’s common sense. Besides most of these guys quietly disappear once a desperate cat lady starts flashing her baggy eyes at them, even if it’s in the comment section. There’s probably 2-3 Minters happening everyday that we don’t hear about.

    I’ve known what girls were like since I was 12 and started hanging out with them to get some. I’m a dumb shit unemployed 22 year old who’s not even that good looking; so how embarrassing is it for all these middle aged men that claim to be professionals in their field can only figure out the nature of their wives and women in general after 15 years and a divorce when guys like us have had it figured out since we were 14? The truth about the sexes is hardwired into our DNA, intellectual men have been writing about it since civilization began; there is no excuse to be ignorant about the mind of a woman unless you are pathetically diminished man – and who wants to be a part of a community of those?

    It’s almost turning into Jezebel for Men in the sphere, with a bunch of wet eyed ‘men’ acting like divorcees pleading their hard cases and trying to get sympathy from the comment section because they’re too lazy and weak to control their women.

    So what do you think a good long term solution is Roosh? Private comments? Facebook logins? I can’t imagine you being able to shuffle through the bullshit everyday without getting sick of it.

  • http://sexthreepointzero.com/ JJ Roberts

    Any movement that defines itself by its victim status against the opposite sex is lost at inception.

  • fjod

    >73 ATC
    August 12th, 2013 @ 7:30 pm

    Re-read Neil Strauss’ “The Game” if you haven’t in a while. A lot of the exact same drama happened to Mystery’s Hollywood lair…women coming between them, guys who lost interest in game, noobs with their own agenda…
    ///
    that noobs created RSD btw

  • Ares

    Roosh

    I have read your blog for quite some time. Your content has varied from useful, to amusing. However, RoK has become the new Cosmo for men.

    “9 tips to get laid anywhere”

    “3 super duper awesome lifts for the gym”

    “4 useless tips about something stupid”

    “Don’t get married”

    “why marriage sucks”

    “don’t suck dick while married”

    “3 ways not to get married”

    There is some good content there, but it’s in terrible need for some quality control.

    And this one article (real title) “Can Strippers, Pornstars and Live Sex Models Be Good Girlfriends?” That was a completely useless article by any measure. Is a prostitute a good girlfriend? Well, she will suck your dick, but will sleep with other men. So you decide. In the comment section some dude wrote a comment that was leagues better than the original article. Insightful, and funny.

    Fuck.

  • Joe Dick

    I don’t see why are you so surprised, Roosh. Phonies are everywhere, and ESPECIALLY in the ‘dating community’. You make clear distinctions between ‘beta’ and ‘alpha’ males, but I say that the lines are WAY more blurred than that. And what I mean is that I doubt the idea of Mr. ‘Alpha’ guy. To me being a ‘VIP’ and fucking some wasted whores in a Las Vegas nightclub isn’t ‘alpha’. To me the real alpha is a guy who starts from the bottom, with no means, has no money, not a very good health, but isn’t a fat ass, and still gets what he wants.
    I still haven’t seen him. I thought it would be me, but after a few weeks of hardcore action, I just thought, fuck this. This isn’t worth it. I’d rather spend my valuable time on something I really care about. But yeah, I completely agree with you about some fat nerds moaning like bitches about the ‘manosphere’ (I don’t belong anywhere: I am my own man), and then kissing ass to a married broad. To me, even not giving much of a shit about women at all, is alpha. As in my case. One of the 48 laws of power says: ‘despise what you can’t have’. And I truly do, I don’t pretend. I would fuck her, yes, but I would not feel anything else for her, as I already know where that road leads.

    The only thing I disagree about, is the idea that someone who doesn’t get laid is beta. That’s crap. The beta is the guy who never approached women and never learned to stop giving a shit about them and what they think (and even HOW they think), because he is scared, or more accurately, because he is scared of what a woman would think of him. THAT’S beta.

  • Joe Dick

    88 Ares, I agree about ROK. Some of the articles are really shallow. I am not criticizing or blaming Roosh for that, though. After all, the guy only has two arms and two legs.

  • Joe Dick

    ”I would fuck her, yes, but I would not feel anything else for her”

    I meant a ‘pretty’ woman, not just any woman. Regardless of whether I am getting laid or not, nowadays I would not even fuck women I would have fucked a few years ago.

    After all, my hand doesn’t do such a bad job, lol. Seriously, I more and more question whether it’s worth to have ANYTHING to do with women. Except fucking them very impersonally, ah ah

  • Joe Dick

    pussy is overrated

  • changing tires

    I agree with Krauser that Roosh’s stance is not a trashing of anything labeled “manosphere”, it is not a pure expression of hate against other bloggers. It is just a way of creating another, individual space which, for the good or bad, has no name right now nor is it worried about that. If the manosphere becomes increasingly fragmented or not is not at stake. The manosphere itself is an unstable concept. I see Roosh is at the vanguard of something new, which does not need approval of a “community” which claims to be in power. Refershing: Roosh reinvents himself in a productive way and that’s a good thing.

  • Phantom

    I like what you’re saying Roosh. We must get back to the core principles of self improvement and the domination and enjoyment of life. A new renaissance, and screw all the whining and attention whoring. We are behind you.

  • N

    36 Anonymous-I said people who added to society,who did something constructive.”CEO’s, senators and other men with prestigious postitions” are usually parasites who do nothing constructive just make themselves richer.

  • rockaroundtheclock

    Nice post Roosh.

    It was time finally, for a proeminent game blogger to lash out a violent smackdown against these racists and lame people who try to use ”manosphere, game-friendly” blogs as covers for infiltration, and subsequent insidious diffusion of their vile, divisive, useless ideas.

    That proves that the ”manosphere” is not really a movement, but more of a place where the fringes of society congregate to wallow in ideas and concepts largely ignored and shunned by common society. Its a melting-pot of different people with distant objectives and agendas. Thus, due to its lack of a cohesive nature and foundation, it is very vulnerable to infiltration of any kind, and thats why attention-whoring women, neo-nazis and lame betas looking to indulge in perpetual frustration freely enter the place without impunity.

    The pillars of game community is gaming women, construction of lifestyle and self-improvement. If you talk about it, desire to use the three concepts above to better your existence, and expand your knowledge about them, you are my brother.

    But if you assume that the ”manosphere” is a all-around catch term that allows you to proceed with the promotion of your crap, racist ideas, get lost. MRA/WN and game do not overlap. Don’t try to capitalize on the growing interest in game to provoke exposure of your ideas on game blogs. Get lost!

  • SADNESS

    I was always your fan Roosh, but it saddens that you hit on everyone, especially on your MRA supporters. MRA readers are 90% of the people who actively buy each one of your books, and you hit on us. It saddens me a lot. I have no words left

  • SADNESS

    Roosh you failed to write a book against feminists, so Helen did it. Why are you so jealous on your colleagues? :-(

  • Abcd

    I dont understand those whiny mra men also. Where do they come from, and how do they get to be so depressed? Game made my life much happier, everything kinda clicked, and i love women even more, now that i understand how they are wired.

  • OlioOx

    So what’s new with Mark Minter? His progress should be monitored. Let’s have all the facts and all the information!

  • Pimp Hand

    See these bitches gets no respect today- they brainwashed with all the Jew Commie femi nazi bot ask shit.

    A society is losing it when the dominate species has to beg for shit from or go to prison. So in that system what would alpha be- someone who’s willing to do a Newwark style chopper grind on that ass? Or a Compton beat down to awaken her poetic side? Lol.

    In all serious-
    Man bitches are crazy. Somebody needs a player psychoanalysis on how fucked up in the head they are and most
    Important- how to exploit that.

  • Tampa

    Anyone see fromer NATO Commander and four star general Wesley Clark leave his wife for a 30 year old asian. Atta boy Wes! Love how the media feels terrible for the wife… Nobody ever feels bad for the husband who gets left.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2391131/EXCLUSIVE-General-Wesley-Clark-divorcing-wife-citing-HER-general-indignities-inflicted-despite-affair-woman-half-age.html

  • Blaster

    @59 Rollo

    I think a man could be taken as seriously as Dr. Helen, but it would need to be a man with credentials, connections, and credibility along with a good sense of how to attract mainstream attention.

    Heartiste and Dalrock are anonymous. Roosh is raw, unpredictable, internationally focused, and perhaps more importantly NOT particularly focused on social issues the mainstream cares about (marriage). Alpha Game is a side project. Jack Donovan is too extreme. Rational Male is too intellectual. Nobody has credentials or affiliation.

    Dr. Helen is neither the first nor last to crib ideas from you guys. But so long as you aren’t willing to play by their rules you won’t be allowed to play their game. I’m not saying her sex is irrelevant but it’s not the only barrier.

  • Blaster

    ps not that I think Rational Male should be less intellectual, just that its character makes it less compatible with a mainstream media that craves simplified and often sanitized ideas.

  • Alexander

    Keeping it real

  • Anonymous

    But if you assume that the ”manosphere” is a all-around catch term that allows you to proceed with the promotion of your crap, racist ideas, get lost. MRA/WN and game do not overlap. Don’t try to capitalize on the growing interest in game to provoke exposure of your ideas on game blogs. Get lost!

    I agree. Nothing is a more surefire sign of a mouthbreathing idiot than a guy who comes onto manosphere sites and tries to recruit game guys into WN by saying “But you’re already a believer! Because HBD=Game.” The “HBD=Game” submovement within the manosphere was the writing on the wall for me.

  • Jay in DC

    So, let me get this straight… you are a swarthy Middle Easterner who has an utter obsession with Slavic women, so much so that you spend years in FSB countries attempting to bang them. Green and Blue eyes, then, innit? Yet you rail against people who may just want to, you know, make sure those women are still in existence in the next few decades? Got it…

    Sorry, you shit is kinda weak brah. Why don’t you do a Bang Zimbabwe, or a Bang Congo next, you fucking phony.

    The Great Unmentionable Truths, are the hardest ones to swallow. Real Talk, which is the only kind I know.

  • Anonymous

    So, let me get this straight… you are a swarthy Middle Easterner who has an utter obsession with Slavic women, so much so that you spend years in FSB countries attempting to bang them. Green and Blue eyes, then, innit? Yet you rail against people who may just want to, you know, make sure those women are still in existence in the next few decades?

    Yes, in a few decades white women will actually cease to exist. :roll:

    If that’s an example of your “great unmentionable truth” it’s no wonder no one takes you WNs seriously.

  • TFH

    Some of what Roosh wrote is true, which is :

    1) The androsphere is being invaded by whiners, who have no intention of using the knowledge to improve their life. Some will convert, but most will not, so the gap between men who ‘can’, and men who ‘can’t', will become starker.

    2) Most MRAs do very little activism. One measure of a man is efficacy, and their lack of even attempts at activism show that they would not be at the top of the male hierarchy in any era.

    3) Someone like Minter getting exposed as a needy man with very few options, is a major event, as is the fact that all the supposedly red-pill men suddenly forgot to remind him about the risks of divorce law, the need to have a pre-nup, etc.

    What Roosh is wrong about :

    1) Dr. Helen didn’t even want to write a book, herself saying ‘she has nothing new to say’ until several of her commenters (myself included) urged her to write one. It is grossly unfair to say she is ‘lifting ideas of others’. Her own blogging history goes back 5+ years too. She is one of very few who is the real deal, not a fair-weather anti-feminist, and thus a bigger force against feminism than 98% of the men in the androsphere.

    2) The core group of red-pill men is still there. The women and loserish beta-males are new entrants, but the core group is still there. It just seems that they have shrunk due to this new influx of refuse…

  • Anonymous

    If you don’t want to associate with keyboard jockeys, then why don’t you repudiate Gmanifesto instead of protecting him? He is your biggest poster and drives the poseur traffic to your page.

  • Anonymous

    Roosh it’s time for a cat lady rant.

  • Anonymous

    Why is Roosh such an ignorant bluepiller when it comes to race?

    We don’t hate black people. We just think people should stop pretending that they AREN’T less intelligent and THAT is the cause for their inferior quality of life in the US (and the world).

    I can sort of understand why a man like you wouldn’t like the type of guy that uses words like hypergamy and such but at the end of the day, it’s a good word to explain certain behaviours of women.

    I fully agree with the Mark Minter thing.

  • Anonymous

    The manosphere isn’t lost, it is evolving and part of that evolution is divergence.

    This is partly to do with the age of the men that are in “game” and “red pill” culture.
    The bar and club game that younger men engage in becomes increasingly tiresome once you reach your early to mid 30′s.

    Also, money/assets become increasingly important and a determining factor, particularly in realtion to the lifestyle you want to live.

    Once you are past your early 30′s, unless you are blessed with great genes AND have been diligent in working hard to look good, it gets much more difficult to game younger hotties (after all, the younger dudes are chasing them too).

    “Value” becomes increasingly important as you get older compared to game techniques, skills and experience.

    Also, the pool of viable, worthwhile women of value who are past 30 starts to shrink at a fast rate.
    Most of the “good ones” are married; you are faced with hordes of single mothers, fatties and uglies, overly entitled “career women”, bitches that are desperate to outrun their biological clock and pop out a kid and the leftover dregs of crazies and the cock carousel.

  • Rockaroundtheclock

    To 106:

    Fully agree.

    107: Real Talk, which is the only kind I know.
    ———-
    I will joyfully tell you another kind of real talk ;

    Go get laid, man.

    It’s fun.

  • Big J

    Roosh dawg-

    Have you ever covered Nlp and hypnosis for
    persuading the split tails?

    I have to be honest-
    I’m a very harsh and cold
    Person and using all that syrupy
    Emotional bs that most
    Nlpmseduction patterns consist of
    Nauseates me. Frankly, I find it hard to believe more people aren’t like
    What’s this MF deal talking all that emotional stuff to me?

    I get sick when I hear how women fall for stuff that’s like straight out of a
    Disney
    Movie or a romance novel. I think what sappy bs.
    And if I had a daughter id show
    Her to look out for people that try to warm up
    Emotionally like that. I’ve never trusted it and am at bewildered at women when they act in amazement
    Like a
    Small child to emotional talk.

    I’ve beenntold I’m aggressive and hard though some
    Times
    I wish we could act like
    Omega man.
    That would be alpha.

  • anon

    It’s quite pitful that the game community has been victimized by a enduring presence of misanthropic men who essentially employ the manosphere as a platform of convenience to express their hatred of visible minorites and women.

    These folks are low in my esteem.

  • Anonymous 731

    (For context, I’ve been reading a few manosphere blogs for a few years.)

    Way to sound completely melodramatic. Step back and actually consider what you sound like to a third party. The manosphere is mostly dating/sex advice, self-improvement and sometimes political and social discussions. The topics are often useful and broach broader issues, but hearing the way guys like Roosh and Matt Forney talk about it, it’s as if their entire identities and lifestyles are collapsing, and they have to lash out by writing the bitterest, most spiteful farewells possible. It’s ridiculous.

    The impression I get (and I’m sure I’m not the only one) is that these guys actually have precious little going on in their lives, which is why they are so upset about this little community lowering in quality. Building an identity on not getting married is pathetic.

    As far as me, if the manosphere disappears tomorrow, the only difference in my life will be a minor reduction in reading material.

  • ATC

    Race can’t help but be part of Game. American culture tries to condition white boys to act apologetic and self-deprecating, and to _feel sorry_ for women and “minorities.”

    This creates uniquely bad inner game.

    In another example, the racially motivated beta-male rage of this Middle Eastern guy certainly could have been soothed by Game. Do you think his depraved singling out of blonde women was a coincidence? (I remember seeing this on the news when I was a kid. A lot of you probably don’t know about it.)

    “…the gunman ordered some female students, all of them blond, to undress below the waist and called them ‘sluts and whores.’”

    http://www.nytimes.com/1990/09/28/us/berkeley-gunman-kills-student-taken-hostage.html

  • Anonymous

    Race can’t help but be part of Game. American culture tries to condition white boys to act apologetic and self-deprecating, and to _feel sorry_ for women and “minorities.”

    This creates uniquely bad inner game.

    “Race can’t help but be part of Game?” Not hating minorities “creates uniquely bad inner game?” This is the exact type of mouthbreathing idiocy I was talking about from the “HBD and Game are natural allies” crowd. They try to come up with the most idiotic, tenuous connections to “prove” that the naural next step in the evolution of learning how to bang women is learning how to hate minorities.

  • Dude

    B O R I N G

    Go and bang some chicks

    :)

  • MGTOW

    If MRAs are fighting for the way that laws are made, so they can change the laws, and the prisons to not be anymore of millions of 98% innocent men, just because all the laws are made against men, and for the exact same crime, a woman has pussy pass and doesn’t get time, while a man for the same crime will serve many many years…

    I don’t see anything wrong with the thing that MRAs are fighting everywhere so that men stop being discriminated so badly

  • http://www.marvelousmanboobs.com/ David H. F*cktrelle-Male Feminist Extraordinaire™

    oh lala…

    does this now mean you are a feminist?

    me and schwyzer will welcome you with open arms…

    tehehe and open legs…

  • passenger

    Imho- there is no such thing as “manospere”. There is just 95-99% of us who are losers in a capitalistic system and minority who are riding the ocean with pleasures, no matter what weather.

    Whatsoever group the “losers” would form- they will always get beaten in the ass. ALWAYS.
    The common thing for all men, even the elite is that… for all of us monogamous relations with western women lead to more and more pain and ultimately divorce. Look at celebs and forbes 500 richest ranks. Almost every male there divorced one or multiple times. Elon Musk? George Soros? Larry King? George Clooney? Johnny Depp?

    Some folks can be voted sexiest man in the universe, fly across your 15 mansions and best resorts with your private jet, posses God status and what have you…. and still their bitches will act so badly, that they want to dump her.

    Roosh is 100% correct. Forget about changing the society. Bang her while she is pretty, young & nice. Bitches will always be first to give you harsh time. Never ever allow that!!!! Its immensly important: have a GOOD time in YOUR life!

  • carlos danger

    Survival of the fittest, bitches

  • Stureplan

    This is utter bullshit. Come down to Stureplan in Stockholm, Lipscani in Bucharest,Khreschatik Street in Kiev. If won´t display a great deal of Manhood on those mentioned places you won´t get anywhere. In both Stockholm and Bucharest, Swedish and Romanian chicks want you for your manhood and your hung dick. If you ain´t got those qualites, then you can kiss your fortune of luck goodbye. Just Sayin.

  • Ocean

    It is not just the Manosphere — the world almost ended in 1999 when the most famous Cricket club in the world allowed women into the “Longroom” at Lords. Two hundred fucking years of no bitches poking their noses in, gone down the drain.

    “THE LONG Room at Lord’s cricket ground yesterday opened its doors to women and made history when the Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) proudly displayed its first female members.
    The occasion marked the end of more than 200 years of resistance to women in this, the most famous club in cricket, and took place at the home of the sport.”
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/women-enter-lords-inner-sanctum-1081092.html

  • Dude

    Amen to that ! also G O L F .. Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden … No more !

    I work in engineering on ships .. Twice in my many travels for work have I seen a female engineer on board .. Twice they have been power crazed attention seeking useless twats . On ships designs for 99.9 % make crew they have to make special adjustments just for the odd one woman that decides she can ‘ do why any man can do ‘

    It’s dangerous and unnerving and it also come rely changes the atmosphere ie no porn on display , sexist jokes etc.

    Stick to paper shuffling and hobby crafts .. Knitting etc . Cooking

  • Dire Badger

    Marriage doesn’t matter. Women don’t matter. Race doesn’t matter. Having children to carry on your name, teaching a son to be a man, disseminating your genetic materials and improving the human race thereby? That matters.

  • Dire Badger

    MGTOWS are feminists in all but name.

  • asdf

    Awww poor baby.

  • seth

    Roosh. If the only value is in men who get their dicks wet, then the guys I see getting them wet are useless guys with poor job prospects. They are ‘getting lucky’ and no, they have absolutely no game. They are just the hapless being the women chose as they were in the right place at the right time and the women are insecure. UK society is finished due to useless womens’ choices and useless men.

  • j1mmyZeta

    “neo nazis”? lol.
    Because everybody knows a white person who talks about things such as immigration and the current anti-White government policies is obviously a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White countries for everyone.

    Everybody says there is this RACE problem. Everybody says this RACE problem will be solved when the third world pours into EVERY White country and ONLY into White countries.

    The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but nobody says Japan or Taiwan will solve this RACE problem by bringing in millions of third-worlders and “assimilating” with them.

    Everybody says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries to “assimilate” with all those non-Whites.

    What if I said there was this RACE problem and this RACE problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-Blacks were brought into EVERY Black country and ONLY into Black countries?
    How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem. I am talking about the final solution to the BLACK problem?
    And how long would it take any sane Black man to notice this and what kind of psycho Black man wouldn’t object to this?

    But if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the White race, liberals and respectable conservatives will agree that I am a naziwhowantstoclonehitler.

    They say they are “anti-racist”.
    What they are is anti-White.
    Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

  • Anonymous

    @132
    getting fed up of that cut and paste arguement all over the net.
    Singapore,Malaysia,Qatar and UAE the native arabs and malay are outnumbered by immigrants.
    Thailand Candaa fiji south africa and many latin american nations have immense immigrant communitys and learn to make things work with multiculturalism. You white nationalists are just bigots.
    look up those nations demographics on wiki or cia worldfactbook

    why not whine and be an mra here ill get you started
    http://facts.randomhistory.com/2009/06/11_men.html

  • Anonymous

    Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

    HBD is a codeword for anti-black.

  • John Doe

    Roosh having his yearly freakout, where he claims he is quitting the manosphere. I remember he did this exact same thing about a year ago and said he will no longer be a part of the MRA crowd.

    And then a couple weeks later, writing MRA type articles again.

    U mad, bro?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/nguyenimproved14 nguyenimproved

    I’m one of the gimps who has invaded..
    Nice place you guys got here.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know but I think you’re unconsciously putting pussy on a pedestal here mate. It seems that all your life is dedicated to getting some. Thus, your life still revolves around women, just like the beta males you mention. The only difference is that you succeed and they fail. This is what I don’t like about Game freaks and PUA’s. I think it should be about being better about being a man, and thus not caring about the opinions of others or women. But still, those blogs are giving good insight about the female psychology, and that’s a good thing.

  • gay brazilian

    The “manosphere” is attached to the ridiculous American thought. It is a feature of American culture, these types of groups led by weirds. The “manosphere” is like a “guardian angels” and other similar political groups. It is a phenomenon intensely American, in other countries it would be a laughingstock.
    After falling in mainstrem average, the next step is the transformation of “manosphere” a kind of RSD.
    There will be no loss of feminism, while there was no transcendence of thinking American / Anglo-Saxon.

    (…)

    Moreover, in contrast to German thought, Anglo-Saxon thought lacks a speculative dimension, being basically practical, if not scientistic. It adores quantitative data and “case studies,” is marked by positivism and reductionism, and culminates in analytic philosophy, which, in my opinion, is the zero degree of philosophy. In such a view, politics is perceived as a matter of social engineering and “scientifc” management. The political ignorance of the average American voter is also one of the best documented facts of political science (tending to cofirm Anthony J. Downs’s “rational ignorance” thesis).
    Given its disposition to abbreviations and its impoverished structure (having neither the precision of French, the depth of German, nor the elegant beauty of Italian), it is unequipped to render certain conceptual nuances.
    (…)

    http://frenchdissidents.wordpress.com/2012/02/20/french-new-right-philosopher-alain-de-benoist-on-america-2/

  • gay brazilian

    Leaders are the mirror of his people, as American expect to hit in feminism, if they have a leader like that?

    http://www.tomatobubble.com/putin_obama.html

  • jobim’s ghost

    gay Brazilian, you’re a pretentious twat with shitty English

  • Desiree Meyers-Liebowitz

    The manosphere was lost from the beginning. You can’t take something as laughable as the patriarchy – a crumbling, outdated testament to the failures of men – and turn it into some crusade.

    As a proud, intelligent, larger woman, I usually only reserve my occasional forays into the manosphere to lampoon fallacies of fat/feminist criticism (I regularly eviscerate Nigel’s Big Game Blog)- but I suppose it’s worth it now to rub salts in the wounds – wounds that pale next to the struggles of TLW (The Larger Woman).

    We are woman. I am woman. And we refuse to back down. We are brave. We are determined. And we are large.

    And thus, sweeties, the patriarchy has already crumbled underneath my elegant toes (and yes, contrary to the myths of propagandist medicine, one can still healthy and elegant at even a large size).

    Kisses,

    ~Desiree

  • Desiree Meyers-Liebowitz

    BTW, so cute to know I’m bugging you guys.

    I just googled my name before, only to find that you guys were sweet enough to make a forum topic just for me.

    http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-16845.html

    Really sweet. Truly.

    xoxoxo

    Kisses,
    Desiree

  • Professor Ashur

    I’m glad I got out when I did.

    The trollery and manbitchery in the comment threads at ROK is very distressing. Regrettably, many of these “men” seem to be more comfortable trying to AMOG each other in the comment threads. Petty squabbles erupt. A good example is that Earl guy. He talks a tough game, and claims to be celibate. But on another blog, he hinted at something entirely different.

    Little digital rams banging their little digital horns together. The only banging on which they can speak with authority, by the way.

  • Professor Ashur

    By the way, I for one can’t wait for Western Civilization to collapse wholly. Then, the feminists and their marxist allies will finally begin paying for their crimes against logic and civility.

    It may suck for me too, but it will be worth it to watch the pain in the eyes of the stupid women who voted it all into existence.

  • Anonymous

    How not to pick up chicks…

    1. whine about politics
    3. demonstrate higher value by putting down other men.

  • white anon

    @79, 96, 106, 108, 119, 133, 134

    It’s funny how you faggots don’t see how you use feminist style shaming language to silence ideas you don’t like.

    Race exists, and denying it is akin to denying gender differences. Very blue pill and anti-logic.

    Whites have a right to complain about a destructive social experiment forced onto our countries, as we are the only ones who will lose something if(when) it fails.

    I have a feeling you wouldn’t care about WN if White women weren’t so attractive.

  • Anonymous

    “Why don’t you do a Bang Zimbabwe, or a Bang Congo next, you fucking phony.”

    RooshHIV.com

  • Anonymous

    It’s funny how you faggots don’t see how you use feminist style shaming language to silence ideas you don’t like.

    Shut the fuck up hypocrite. HBD people use shaming language all the time.

    Race exists, and denying it is akin to denying gender differences. Very blue pill and anti-logic.

    Just because we point out HBD people are unscientific crackpot idiots doesn’t mean we’re denying racial differences. Stop being an idiot. Oh wait, you’re an HBD believer, so I guess you can’t stop being an idiot.

    And nothing is as anti-logic as HBD. HBD ignores science, facts, and the real world to come up with crackpot bullshit.

    I have a feeling you wouldn’t care about WN if White women weren’t so attractive.

    Okay, so using your own stupid logic: You HBD people care a whole damn lot about blacks. Does that mean you think black women are so attractive?

  • white anon

    “Just because we point out HBD people are unscientific crackpot idiots doesn’t mean we’re denying racial differences. Stop being an idiot. Oh wait, you’re an HBD believer, so I guess you can’t stop being an idiot.

    And nothing is as anti-logic as HBD. HBD ignores science, facts, and the real world to come up with crackpot bullshit.”

    Denying HBD = denying race and sex differences idiot. Both are considered social constructs in mainstream thought.

    “Okay, so using your own stupid logic: You HBD people care a whole damn lot about blacks. Does that mean you think black women are so attractive?”

    That would only make sense if we were fighting for the right to live in black countries and have sex with black women, which we do not. WN want black people out of white countries because of their low cognitive ability and high crime rates.

  • Anonymous

    Denying HBD = denying race and sex differences idiot. Both are considered social constructs in mainstream thought.

    No it doesn’t IDIOT. Just because we don’t believe in the specific racial differences that HBD claim are true doesn’t mean we don’t believe in ANY racial differences.

    So in your world the only two options are to believe that races are different in the specific ways that HBD people claim they are, or to believe that races aren’t different at all? No other options?

    This is called the false dilemma fallacy, stupid:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

    It’s possible for someone to realize that races are different yet still realize that HBD is illogical, pseudoscientific bullshit that spreads misinformation.

  • Anonymous

    That would only make sense if we were fighting for the right to live in black countries and have sex with black women

    Oh yes, that never happened. So what the fuck was colonialism and imperialism about? And don’t try to pretend having their way with the locals wasn’t part of the appeal for the colonizers.

    Most light skinned black people in America come from white slaveowners sleeping with black women and most light skinned people in Africa are the product of colonization.

    HBD = Idiot.

  • white anon

    “No it doesn’t IDIOT. Just because we don’t believe in the specific racial differences that HBD claim are true doesn’t mean we don’t believe in ANY racial differences.

    So in your world the only two options are to believe that races are different in the specific ways that HBD people claim they are, or to believe that races aren’t different at all? No other options?”

    HBD isn’t a specific set of beliefs like the bible, it’s a catch-all term for people who believe in human biodiversity. Believing in racial differences means believing in human biodiversity.

    It’s very simple, you’re just too hung up on choosing a “team”.

    “Oh yes, that never happened. So what the fuck was colonialism and imperialism about? And don’t try to pretend having their way with the locals wasn’t part of the appeal for the colonisers.”

    It was about taking the land for the space and the resources. We certainly didn’t want to live the way the blacks lived and mix with their people. We conquered the land and built our own structures on it.

    “Most light skinned black people in America come from white slaveowners sleeping with black women and most light skinned people in Africa are the product of colonisation.”

    Actually most light skinned blacks in America are from breeding white slaves and black slaves together to get a balance between their different traits.

    There’s bound to be some women taken when a people are conquered, but it’s a completely different idea from multiculturalism. False Equivalency.

  • Anonymous

    HBD isn’t a specific set of beliefs like the bible, it’s a catch-all term for people who believe in human biodiversity. Believing in racial differences means believing in human biodiversity.

    It’s very simple, you’re just too hung up on choosing a “team”.

    Again, you’re still not answering my question. I do believe in racial differences. I just don’t believe in the specific racial differences HBD people believe in. Why do HBD people believe that anyone who doesn’t agree with their ideas somehow doesn’t believe in racial differences at all?

    HBD people like you always claim that anyone who doesn’t agree with their misinformation and pseudoscience must be the opposite extreme, and must not believe in racial differences at all.

    So let me ask you a question: Is it at all possible that someone can totally believe that there are differences between races yet disagree with what HBD people as to what those specific differences between races are?

    Actually most light skinned blacks in America are from breeding white slaves and black slaves together to get a balance between their different traits.

    Oh get the fuck out of here with this fiction.

    There’s bound to be some women taken when a people are conquered, but it’s a completely different idea from multiculturalism. False Equivalency.

    Who is making an equivalency to multiculturalism? You said that nonwhites want to go to white countries to have sex with their women but the reverse is never true. I clearly pointed out that it is. Let’s not even get into sex tourism. Your weak responses are proof you haven’t really thought your points through.

  • white anon

    “Again, you’re still not answering my question. I do believe in racial differences. I just don’t believe in the specific racial differences HBD people believe in. Why do HBD people believe that anyone who doesn’t agree with their ideas somehow doesn’t believe in racial differences at all?

    HBD people like you always claim that anyone who doesn’t agree with their misinformation and pseudoscience must be the opposite extreme, and must not believe in racial differences at all.

    So let me ask you a question: Is it at all possible that someone can totally believe that there are differences between races yet disagree with what HBD people as to what those specific differences between races are?”

    I’m answering your question, you’re just not listening to the answer.

    I already said that there’s no rigid set of beliefs for HBD, so you can have your own ideas on how far racial differences extend.

    Please show me this list of things that all HBD people have to believe without question? HBD just means believing in racial and gender differences, that’s it.

    “Oh get the fuck out of here with this fiction.”

    It’s true.

    “Who is making an equivalency to multiculturalism? You said that nonwhites want to go to white countries to have sex with their women but the reverse is never true. I clearly pointed out that it is. Let’s not even get into sex tourism. Your weak responses are proof you haven’t really thought your points through.”

    Your responses are all over the place, we were talking about WN, i.e. whites having their own countries without multiculturalism. I said you blacks wouldn’t be so against white nationalism if you didn’t want to live in white countries and have sex with white women. Then you made a point about colonialism which I said is completely different from multiculturalism. Now you’re talking about sex tourism which is a whole different thing.

  • Anonymous

    I’m answering your question, you’re just not listening to the answer.

    I already said that there’s no rigid set of beliefs for HBD, so you can have your own ideas on how far racial differences extend.

    You are full of shit. There is always several recurring beliefs for HBD that always pops up over and over, no matter which HBD blog. One is that non-Asian minorities are inferior to whites and Asian minorites in terms of genetic potential for IQ. Another is that blacks have the highest genetic potential for testosterone and Asians have the lowest.

    Now you’re claiming that the only thing that HBD people have in common is that there are differences between races, but they don’t agree on what those differences are? And you’re also claiming that all one has to do to be considered HBD is to believe racial differences exist, period?

    Moron, almost everyone can agree there are genetic differences between races! By your definition everyone is HBD!

    For example, I think there are plenty of genetic differences between blacks and whites, regarding things like bone structure, facial features, melanin levels, and other things. However I think there is absolutely NO difference in genetic potential for intelligence. I ask you, am I an HBD believer? After all, I believe in racial differences, and you say that the ONLY thing that makes an HBD believer is acknowledging that racial and gender differences exist.

    I’ll repeat the question in a rephrased form, in case you try to weasel out of it by pretending not to get it: Since I believe there are racial and gender differences exist, am I an HBD believer, despite the fact that I don’t believe intellectual capacity is one of those differences?

  • Anonymous

    It’s true.

    I believe it’s true in your dream world where you pull history out of your ass. I’m talking about in the real world.

    Your responses are all over the place, we were talking about WN, i.e. whites having their own countries without multiculturalism.

    No, that’s not what we were talking about. You narrowed the topic to that in order to move the goalposts and still try to win the argument. What actually happened was that you claimed whites have no desire to go to nonwhite countries and fuck nonwhite women. I pointed out that colonialism and sex tourism poke a hole in that claim. THEN you narrowed the topic in order to still try to keep the upper hand.

    HBD=Idiot.

  • Terrence S M Popp
  • Sally

    If you need a female collaborator, I’m here for you, Roosh.

  • Sally

    I know that’s what you secretly want ;)

  • paul

    Minorities instigate to a great degree in the manosphere, without provocation in most discussions. Laying the blame for racial provocation with whites is disturbingly racist and unrealistic.

  • Guanyanyo

    The moment it was assigned a label, the so-called “manosphere” became 0wned.

    On the race thingy: well, I’m all for kicking the non-whites out, to pack those shites into shipping containers and send them whence they came – it would sure beat the crappy boats they use in order to come across the ocean shedding crocodile tears.

    To contradict some previous posters, the blacks are not another _race_, they are another _species_ altogether, and, while shagging them ugly black bitches and afwicans is sometimes done by deviants, what comes from such fornication is less than desirable. Oh, and the distribution curve of black intelligence is shifted by about 10 points down from the distribution of whites (they have visibly smaller heads BTW). Don’t believe me, read this book: http://erectuswalksamongst.us/.

    Has anybody noticed that the women from swarthy races tend to be ugly and to develop smelly hygienic issues far more often than whites?

  • TrentMax

    I like the term “Marriage Strike.” It is clear, concise and leaves no doubt as to what is being done. When the question comes up “Why?” there is now a very good canon on the subject online.
    The reason the question “Why?” will come up is because, regardless of their feminist brainwashing in government schools, women still idealize marriage. I think the Marriage Strike is the core of what is going on here.

  • splooge

    where are u wns getting this cut n paste post?
    other nations like Qatar,UAE,Malyasia and Singapore have foreigners outnumbering the native arabs and Malays.
    Same story with Hawaiians and Chamoro people of Guam.
    Yet no complaints. Thailand is 25% non thai, Fiji is 45% non fijian even saudi has nearly20% foreigner workers.
    Quit your whining Pakeha. You control 4 continents(americas,ocenia europe).
    If anyone should be complain its the colonized naitons espically native americans, maoris and abrogines.

  • Mike Schonewolf

    I’ve seen this a lot on the sphere lately. A lot of them bitch about white knighting. but when a “Red Pill Woman” cries for help, they’re the first ones there. I didn’t take the red pill, and start applying changes for myself for this. I didn’t come to this community, to assimilate my identity to women, I came here to establish my identity from women.