The Point Of Diminishing Return

It’s difficult to know when to quit. Whether you’re dealing with money, pussy, or travel, there comes a point where you pass the point of diminishing return. When the correct move is to enjoy and reflect on our gains before moving on to something else, why do we keep doing the same thing? Why do we forego new opportunities for an old habit that doesn’t give us as much pleasure as it used to?

Poker and blackjack players know how hard it is to end a session. It doesn’t matter if you’re up or down—there is a psychological pull that keeps you seated until the typical result of losing all your money, no matter how well you may have been doing. In poker you go on “tilt” where your emotions override your logic and you lose everything while complaining about how some sucker called the pot when he “should’ve” folded. Those who do well at gambling not only have to be skilled at the game but also strong enough to get up from the table when there is little advantage in staying.

It’s the same feeling when having a goal to save money. You tell yourself when you have X amount of cash you will feel comfortable in life. Then you get there and realize that you could use a bit more. You get to your second goal but decide to keep going. I have saved much more than my initial goal I set over five years ago but now I feel it’s not enough and decided on a goal that is ten times more than the original. I know that if I get there it still won’t be enough. You can give me one million dollars right now and I’ll still feel insecure after a month or two, thinking of ways to increase it further.

The problem with humans is that the program in our DNA tells us that it’s never enough. We simply can’t stay satisfied with what we have. Another example is notches. I can’t seem to stop chasing them, even though I get less pleasure from the pursuit than in my twenties. The only difference between chasing money and chasing notches is that the former is sanctioned by society while the other is not, but in the end they’re not all that different.

When is it time to say enough and ease out of chasing something that used to give you so much happiness? Why does it seem impossible for me to quit a game that has defined me for so long? Many men stay hooked long after they should’ve quit, hanging on to a pursuit that no longer makes sense, all while neglecting the present. You face the risk of forgoing new pleasures that may take you way above what used to give you everything, but no longer does. The hardest thing in life is knowing when to get up from the table.

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  • Solarex

    Wow. Great post.

  • DBCooper

    I have to echo what Solarex said. The post reminded me of a great quote, not sure who it’s by but…

    ‘Quitting whilst you’re ahead, is not the same as quitting.’

  • http://yousowould.wordpress.com YouSoWould

    The point at which I stop striving to better myself in all areas of my life is the point at which I stop being a man. Maybe that day will come, but not before I’m 60 years old at least, and maybe not even then.

    The struggle defines us.

  • Jim

    And having notches does what in the long run? You can’t take it with you. Your reference to cash is also wrong. Once you get to the point in life where you have stability, you should only work to keep that going. Problems arise though when you allow others to tell you it’s not good enough. Yeah I might drive a 14 year old Ford but it’s paid and so is the crib. And if people are judging me on that, I take comfort in knowing that I get to spend most of my time at home instead of at work LIKE THEY DO. I wake up everyday not to an alarm, but naturally. So fuck ‘em.

    I find that men who define their existence solely on women exhibit the most problems by far and have the worst issues to deal with. And believe me when I say they are ill equipped to handle them when they catch up. And they always do.

  • Lee

    Roosh,

    It sounds like you’re struggling with what to do next. Maybe you should use your travel experiences to find a place you want to live for awhile and brush up on your relationship game. Possibly, write a book eventually called “Bang, your wife”. I can imagine that what you are doing now would get exhausting after awhile.

  • Anonymous

    I think that human beings like a certain amount of “roots” and stability – when you constantly move on you don’t develop any roots and really allow your self to grow as a person. The ass is fun and nice but it does get old and then get new again. Having people to count on and learn from and enjoy on a daily weekly and monthly basis is valuable – you have chosen a tough path but learned a lot. I would liken what your saying to taking the same classes in college over and over again – you get the degree, the masters, the PHD and then at a certain point it is time to jump into applying it to new situations and life.

  • Lee

    Actually, nix what I said above. Traveling isn’t what you’re getting bored of. You’re getting bored of having to run the same game over and over again. It sounds like your travels have been pretty sweet, but what have you seen besides the women? Sometimes the scenery can be just as nice as the women.

    Another idea for ya, go on a road trip across the US. Write a book “On the Road (to a Bang)”. I’d bet that 80% of your target audience is interested more in how to get laid with American women. Yes, they are overweight and manjawed, but for a large part of the US, that’s their only option. You should write about how to weed out the best ones. Also, enjoy the scenery as you go. Maybe don’t work for a bang every night of the week. Just a couple of times a week. Explore the western US especially. There is some beautiful stuff out there.

  • OldHornDog

    This is actually one of your better posts mate. Here are some pointers from an old horn dog, if you care:

    Human beings by nature are creature of habits. They adapt to change and adversity very well but often they also get defined by them. It’s very difficult for you to give up chasing poon if your very existence is defined by it (i.e. your mental peptides have defined reward patterns, your make a living with it, you are not used to staying in one place anymore, etc.).

    Chasing poon sounds like fun in your 20s and 30s but in your 40s at the very latest you will realize that most pussy dives are not worth the hassle. After hundreds of vaginas at some point I realized that one pretty much is like the other – with certain varieties of course (no argument there). But in the end everything you get in life comes with a price tag attached to it.

    Or in other words – one man’s heaven is another’s purgatory. For some guys on this blog your lifestyle sounds like a dream come true. Ten or twenty years ago I would agreed. However at this stage in my life I know that I can get all the poon I want and I find it a lot more rewarding to devote my time and energy to my personal and professional goals. I feel more fulfilled working on them (not even the gains but the actual action of pursuit) than to waste hours or days on some airhead just so that she winds up polishing my broomstick.

    And it’s not that my libido has suffered – I am very fulfilled in that department. It’s just that I have developed a more discriminatory perspective. When I see some hot piece of ass in almost all cases I think – yeah, been there done that. I’m much more motivated to spend my time on other pursuits. If I have a choice between my MA class and meeting some chick then it’s the former almost every time.

    Maybe I’m slowing down – that’s probably what most of you young bucks are thinking. Very much so – but I’m actually a lot more happy this way. And that doesn’t mean I’m ‘settling down’ – six months ago i just gave up my entire life in L.A. and moved to Spain. So my sense of adventure/change is still very developed – I have not turned into a 9-5 two and half children suburbanite. Just maybe have climbed high enough to see above the tree tops and now I wonder why I ever was so worried about all those bushes ;-)

  • Isaac Jordan

    Roosh,

    I’d recommend checking out a book called “The Happiness Hypothesis” by Jonathan Haidt. It aims to answer exactly the question you’re asking.

  • OldHornDog

    Agree with Isaac – there is a ton of work on happiness. And in a nutshell let me explain it all to you in one sentence: Human beings are never happy ;-)

    Once you reach one goal you are only primed to think of the next one. And that’s how most people are – stagnation is slow death.

  • Red Pill

    Oh boy. Is Roosh buttering us up before letting us know he’s “settling down”? What’s next, Tom Leykis onto wife #5?

  • http://automatic6pack.wordpress.com thecaptainpower

    Roosh, I am 32 years old and I have $102,000 in a 2.9% CD and I am still scared to death of being broke…..Just keep doing what you are doing, the Rolling Stones are gng on tour again at age 70.

    never stop, never give in…

    Captain Power

  • Tony Stone

    The time to cash out is when you find a woman who maintains your interest while looking after your needs as if they were her own; and who you can envision as the mother of children as you’re drawn towards the greatest investment of your time and energy, fatherhood. When that day comes, you’ll know it. Until then, keep plowing away.

  • The Vain Yogi

    Do you quit when you achieve your original goal?
    Do you quit when you obtain diminishing returns?
    Do you quit when something else more attractive pulls you away?

    Quitting is difficult because it feels like defeat. It is not. It is knowing that you have achieved your original goal and it is time to move on. It is knowing that returns are much less than what you deserve and you deserve much more than that. It is knowing that it is time to move on because another attractive journey lies ahead of you and it is time to move on. It is not quitting, it is knowing. Knowing yourself, your capacities and your needs. What it takes to make you happy.

    Pursuit has a hidden result of defining who you are, who you have become. It is this attractive identity that is so hard to give up. We might kill ourselves if we give up this identity. But it is only a story we made up, selecting elements, rejecting others. If we created this identity, we can kill it and create another. A better one that this. More fulfilling. More nurturing. More … you.

    Best of luck!

  • SadieB

    You realize that any attempt to carve a new path will be scuttled by your distinct appearance? Sacrifices must be made. You know what I’m talking about.

  • SadieB

    THE BEARD MUST GO

  • 20th Level

    It must he that time of the month because I swear Roosh writes one of these about every 30 days…….I kid, I kid..

    Seriously though when I was small the most important thing in the world was getting a Big Wheel with a grip shifter brake on the back right wheel. As I got older the most important thing in the world was NOT to have a bike with a gay ass banana seat on the back.

    My point is that things that seem super important at one age cease to be when you get older. It’s inevitable.

    I’m also calling it now that Roosh will put his considerable writing skills to work along with his wealth of knowledge from bouncing around the globe to move on to writing books that have nothing to do with pulling bitches.

    There are self publishers out now that are KILLING it and Roosh is going to crush it one day. Mark my words.
    He won’t even be known as Roosh but there will be whispers that this popular writer has some sort of sordid past which in turn will make him even MORE popular.

    Like I said, calling it now.

  • Anonymous

    You should have a kid or two with one of the better European women you met. This reminds me of something you tweeted a while ago – a woman over 30 and not married is a failure. The corrollary to that is, a man over 35 without children is a failure (biologically speaking. We are designed to reproduce. Unless you have health issues preventing you from having children, you should have at least one. Do your duty my good man. Don’t believe all that bs about how its easy for older men to have children – it isn’t. In fact, recent research has linked many developmental disabilities in children conceived by older men. Real talk.

  • Bobby

    Find supplemental interests. Complementary interests. Like OldHornDog above, I now find that, after a hundred plus women, there are more important things in life. Sometimes, the puxxy is not worth the drama.

    Crowdsource your next life goals.

    Areas to consider: 6 flags/PT lifestyle, languages a la “fluent in 3 months”, lifestyle hacking, etc.

  • Hawk

    @ 8 OldHornDog
    November 2nd, 2012 @ 10:00 am

    “Chasing poon sounds like fun in your 20s and 30s but in your 40s at the very latest you will realize … But in the end everything you get in life comes with a price tag attached to it.”

    Pussy is like beer. Every man has his own amount to get his “fill”, then he goes home and throws up.

    Yes I agree Old Horn Dog that eventually one can interest in one thing while gaining interest in something else. It will be interesting to see where Rooshs life takes him and if he is still hitting on young skags when he reaches his 40s or doing something else.

    And yes there is a price for everything in life. In any choise you give up something for something else. Buts thats OK and the way it works.

  • Hawk

    Follow up: to Old Horn Dog who also stated “And it’s not that my libido has suffered – I am very fulfilled in that department. It’s just that I have developed a more discriminatory perspective. When I see some hot piece of ass in almost all cases I think – yeah, been there done that.”

    Exactly. Eventually every man hits critical mass and it becomes been-there-done-that

  • Hawk

    @ Tony Stone whop stated “The time to cash out is when you find a woman who maintains your interest while looking after your needs as if they were her own; and who you can envision as the mother of children as you’re drawn towards the greatest investment of your time and energy, fatherhood. When that day comes, you’ll know it. Until then, keep plowing away”

    Respectfully Tony, that is also called “chasing after a fantasy” That is exactly the Disney esque / Shakeseparian rooted bullshit propaganda that has been fed to men for so long. maye eons ago it was the case,. but not now and do not expect it to change until something happens where we get bombed back to the stone age by a doomsday metieor or something.

    Today in modern times men who grow old and stick to their independence are the ones who are happiest, not someone who marches off to the gallows of matrimoney and becomes some womans poodle.

    Roosh has written some excellent posts on how todays technology is alterting humanity, and how women act towards men. They are true and relevent to all of us.

  • Hawk

    @ 18 Anonymous
    who stated:
    “You should have a kid or two with one of the better European women you met. …. Do your duty my good man.”

    Ha! No one is falling for that common feminazi manipulation tactic you fat sack of pig vomit.

  • Anonymous

    Ask yourself wat u want bro, are u tired of chasing ass altogether or maybe ur just tired of going through the same process everytime, i was reading that autobiography of arnold u put on ur book reviews and his train of was, “what can i do to make money from this”, idk bro meditate and write down wat comes to u

  • asdf

    Any hobby you turn into a living is going to ruin it eventually. At some point you will find yourself saying, “I don’t really want to do X right now, but if I don’t I won’t pull down the income I need this week.” Once enough of that happens you will start to hate your own hobby.

  • http://AroundtheWorldin80Jobs.com Turner

    You got me on the travel bit. I have lost the eye of the tiger with it. For this reason, I plan on staying put longer in locations, 4-8 months at a time. You are right, as some point it looses its luster. As I am sure with women is the same, which is why some players hang up their hats.

    The question I guess becomes, how do you reignite that excitement? Or can you, or should you? And if not, what’s next? Hoping to find my next.

    Turner

  • HeManMasterofthePooniverse

    I feel this way sometimes. I’m 30 no and have bedded well over 200 women. I am an expert at my craft, but frankly sometimes I feel I’m getting old for it. It’s time consuming, expensive, it has opportunity costs…and realistically I think it’s an addiction. I certainly can Identify with this thread.

  • playmuc

    yeah. and sometimes you’re forced to sit down at the table again to stop the damage from happening. Because you got up once and it lead to a huge shitstorm that would have been avoided if you had just continued to play the game.

  • playmuc

    @Isaac Jordan

    dont read books about happiness. live and find it. ask others how they found it. i herby declare roosh’s literature the only self-help lit that is allowed.

  • EarthlyEros

    Dude I love your Site keep up the good work…

    Looks like you need to feed your spirit and embrace the NOW… It’s never too late to chase pussy as long as your body agenda wants it and can get it.

    Best I can give you is this pearl of wisdom from the Old Man Lao-Tzu; written more than 2500 years ago:

    Fill your bowl to the brim
    and it will spill.
    Keep sharpening your knife
    and it will blunt.
    Chase after money and security
    and your heart will never unclench.
    Care about people’s approval
    and you will be their prisoner.

    Do your work, then step back.
    The only path to serenity.

    Tao Te Ching~

    Namaste,
    j.

  • litte roosh

    It’s time to move on Uncle Roosh. I’ve slept with 18 women this year, my most productive year yet and I’m frankly burnt out on chasing chicks! Too much drama. I’m going to find myself a wifey and drink wine and take naps and play lots of guitar. The game can be fun but it gets old too!

  • litte roosh

    ok slow down, maybe not a wifey, perhaps just a novia ha ha

  • Tampa

    Kids. That’s what will get you to cash out. Wanting to raise quality children to carry on your genetic and psychological lineage.

    But once they are raised and out the door, you’ll go right back to chasing the setting sun. My dad who is retired, bought a fucking camper and just drives around the country going to all the national parks. Makes me laugh. Once he sees every national park, he will probably buy a fucking plane or something and start flying places.

    The human mind doesn’t like to be idle for too long….mostly because an idle body starts to deteriorate and die.

    I work on Capitol Hill and I remember asking this one prominent Senator why some of the old timers who have been in office 50+ years don’t retire. Why they run for reelection at 85 when they pretty much have all the money they would ever want and have seen the pinnacle of power.

    He said “because deep down inside, in places you haven’t seen yet, they worry about dying. They know that if they retire, they lose their purpose and their reason to get up in the morning. And they know that once that reason evaporates, it’s a quick trip to the coffin. Watch how fast these guys die off after they leave this place. It usually happens within 2-3 years. When you lose a purpose for living, you die rather quickly once you’re older.”

    It was a stark way of looking at things but it was so damn true. Then you watch guys like Arlen Specter, out of office for just under 2 years. Dead. Ted Stevens, loses his reelection and his dead within 16 months.

    Weird phenomenon. Anyways, I think deep down that’s why my dad tries so hard to find a purpose and stay busy. Because subconsciously he doesn’t want to expire and die. Anyways.

  • Marusya

    That is the best post I ve read written by Roosh so far! Very thoughful and in demand.I bet all of us get bored from what we are doing at some point and then comes the question-what to do next, Am I living a correct life, if my choises are the right ones?!What i htink, Roosh was tryin to tell us that its important to find your “golden middle” in everything you do.To stop when its not too late, or keep going if you feel like you are still not ready and really love what you are doing,or just to take a pose and relax if you are not sure what to do ! Unfortunately many of us (if circumstances as health, finances and great lyfestyle allows)forget where the borders are, and overdo it in all ways but then again , its all life experiences and we learn from our mistakes, adventures, travels , etc .The point is to be sure that what you do is the right for you!

  • madmax

    ”Why does it seem impossible for me to quit a game that has defined me for so long?”

    maybe it’s because one invested so much into something, that he finds it difficult to call it quits. I have been a musician for many years. I don’t make a dime out of it, yet I know it’s I want to do. Once the bet you placed is so high, you give yourself many reasons why you ‘must do it’, I guess.’

    Also, might be the endorphins we get

  • Cad and Bounder

    For most of you (who are in fact reactionaries to the Feminist destruction of modern life and, good luck to you) the following quid pro quo argument applies.

    When women stop value filtering and dedicating every aspect of their daily lives towards hypergamy then we will consider stopping ‘game’.

    For those of us descended from a more ancient -and proud but decaying- lineage of cads, it is just in our natureor our nurture to be this way. We deserve respect too.

    ABC (Always Be Cadding)

  • Tony Stone

    @hawk it is true that I speak of an ideal, for that is what we must strive for. But it is not impossible for I have achieved it. Just not in the USA, I live in Asia.

    As a younger man, I played the game and have shagged hundreds of women. It was fun, it was sport. Like Roosh, I also built my wealth, from zero to sufficient independance. By understanding who I am and want I want, I have been able to craft my life on my terms.

    This also makes it easier to identify a potential partner and I selected a lovely traditional girl, with traditional family values. I am the master of my house, she is my dutiful wife, and my two kids are the greatest relationships I have in the world. They are the only relationships in the world that start at 100% perfection and can only diminish through your neglect.

    But let’s be clear, I am now 46 and sowed my oats for 20 years before cashing out. Everyone has their own timeline and for some it is “never” by choice – and that is ok too.

    I also didn’t do this in the USA and I honestly don’t think that I would have wanted to try. I agree with this forum that the mainstream culture is severely damaged. It’s ok to be a lifestyle migrant and relocate to S America, Europe or Asia. The male-female dynamics are very different to the USA, but more like I would consider to within the natural order.

    Finally, marriage and kids are work, but then so is living alone, or starting a business, because everything in life takes effort. But none of these situations are a problem for an Alpha male because he is a leader and master of his own destiny.

    And for the cynics, the opportunities in Asia for dalliances on the side are bountiful, although I wouldn’t recommend it. If divorce should happen, you don’t get screwed financially like with the lawyers and laws in the USA. And it is much easier to return to the game where, as a 45 or 55 year old guy, its quite common to still date 25 or 30 year old women.

    So marriage on your own terms isn’t complete shit guys, at least not in Asia. But only do it if you want kids and believe you’ve found the right girl. and be sure to master your game and shag your fill before you do it.

    Let me leave you with this joke, once told to me 15 years ago:

    Two bulls were standing on a hill, overlooking a large herd of cows. The young bulls said “Hey! Lets run down there and screw one of those cows.” The old bull said “Son, lets walk down there and screw them all.”

    Happy hunting.

  • Gremlin

    Well said.

  • Jay

    Might be time to set some new goals, homes.

  • none

    You’re what — early thirties — and already with the “is that all there is” bullshit?

    What a grim fucking cliche of a thought.

    And everyone jumps to say: how profound. It’s not; it’s nothing.

    Your stories about hunting snatch are good. Your “is that all there is” prattle is verbal trash. Who cares if it’s “honest.” Honest cowardice.

    Think harder about what is making you ask such a rote question. And then break that chain.

  • Chi Hsu

    Eating chocolate when you’re a kid is something you want and for some people even though they don’t derive as much enjoyment out of it as they age it doesn’t stop them from buying it at the supermarket. Sex is like food, you keep doing it ‘cos it’s a part of living, regardless of how much you love it. As a suggestion, try doing something more ‘meaningful’ like alleviating third world poverty, see if that changes your relational desires and the frequency at which you need to fulfill them. Find something that breaks your heart.

  • michelin

    @Tony Stone. Great comment and good advice for older players, thanks. your post deserves a thread in the forum.

  • Eric

    Kind of reminds me of that scene from ‘Apocalypto’
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvCPnlHb3iI

  • Theodora

    “The hardest thing in life is knowing when to get up from the table.”

    You’ll see that when you’re actually ready to leave the table it wont feel like a hard choice.

    Sounds like you’ve entered the 33-year-old zone, when you start questioning it all.. It’d be weird if you weren’t. Good luck and trust me, 34 will be better!

  • Theodora

    @Tony Stone:”Finally, marriage and kids are work, but then so is living alone, or starting a business, because everything in life takes effort. But none of these situations are a problem for an Alpha male because he is a leader and master of his own destiny.”

    Well said, some people in here need reminding!

  • OldHornDog

    @ EarthlyEros (30) – that was awesome.

  • Turk

    I’m 26 moving onto 27 and i’ve already started having these mad thoughts about life, age, afraid of growing up not knowing what you want to do in life.
    It only comes into play when i’m alone and bored or had a really good weekend partying and at the end i start thinking that there won’t be many of these left before all my friends drop out of the game and i’m left all alone chasing bitches.

  • Anonymous

    Yep…..I’ve been thinking for a while reading your posts that at some point revolving your life entirely around scoring a piece of ass has kind of a pathetic ring to it. Big deal who cares.

    You are a great writer, and tremendously insightful observer of human nature and tendencies….don’t waste it.

    Besides….in many ways your life has become the ultimate manifestation of what you preach against:putting pussy on a pedestal. Who puts pussy on a higher pedestal than you do? No one. You devote your existence to it…does that make you master or slave?

  • Brandon

    I remember my friends being all stoked back when God of War 3 came out. It had the same gameplay and plot as the other installments which made it predictable….eventually you even kill pretty much everything in the Universe that could possibly pose any threat to you. And now they’re making prequels and people still seem stoked about them.

    …Anyways, it’s kind of like a damned if you don’t, damned if you do situation. You want and need certain things and experiences to achieve full inner game, but too much over compensation can lead to narcissm and ‘the destruction of your inner universe’ so to speak. Just think about corrupt business men and politicians that entertain themselves with greed and influence over others…

    Whatever it is you do, I believe that as long as you provide a valuable and sincere service to others, you will be rewarded in correlation with the quality of that service and the phoney will be weeded out of the market… which PUAs have been weeded out and which ones have expanded and refined the arts in valuable and sincere ways?

    Now instead of learning to game crazies we can filter them out and select more ideal types of women while focusing more on ourselves and our endeavors.

    The question may be, ‘What’s next to be conquered or aquired?’ Remember that it probably won’t end until you are dead.

  • lafcina

    Defeatist much? You’re what, 33? You probably feel old, but you aren’t.

    Maybe I’m projecting, but the age of 33 is a sensitive phase in every man’s life. Accumulated stress, ailing parents, too much travel, struggle to accumulate capital…

    But you will turn around. You will start feeling stronger; I felt at my strongest at around 39-40. It was at the age of 41-42 that I noticed my body becoming weaker, and being forced to adopt various strategies to stay in top form.

  • OlioOx

    I recommend reading Jacob Burckhardt’s writings on the ancient Greeks. There is a book available called “The Greeks and Greek Civilization” and the sections to start with, when thinking about what to do with one’s life and what it all means, are “The Polis” and especially “The General Characteristics of Greek Life.”

  • Hawk

    @Tony Stone (follow up from his response)

    Tony if you are settled in Asia then you would be correct in your agenda. I assumed you were making your assertions about marriage from the States.

    Roosh has already written a few good posts about how communication and social networking technology is not only affecting game, but also female behavior. The conclusion us that female attitudes are getting worse every day. Asia may just be the last haven on the planet for a man to have a traditional family life.

    I suspect I’m destined to fuck and chuck until I die, Asian women are cute but I’m not all that turned on by them.

  • http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-attraction-doctor Dr. Jeremy

    Roosh

    There is often some black-and-white thinking that tends to keep men chasing the diminishing returns of additional notches. With some exceptions, the manosphere primarily offers two choices to men, 1) stay single and collect notches in ONSs and STRs, or 2) “brave” getting married and game your wife to get sex and avoid divorce. Given those two choices only, many men stay free, single, and notch-collecting.

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of options in between that are not as routinely or loudly discussed. Men have MLTRs concurrently, they build harems, they have open relationships, they date bisexual women who enjoy threesomes, polyamory, etc. All of these options give men the ability to build relationships in new areas with greater returns – while not having to completely “give up” the option of additional partners. They can shift some of their energy in a new direction, without completely trading one lifestyle’s benefits for another.

    Like learning any “game”, this does initially take more work (although the new challenge can be fun too). Over time, however, having a steady relationship (or several) can help a man meet his sexual needs with less effort than finding a new ONS whenever he has an itch to scratch. This can free a guy up from diminishing returns and allow more time for success in other areas of life. Then again, if/when he does really want something new, he still has the ability to get it – without having to “throw away” his existing relationship(s) in the process.

    Perhaps, instead of chasing notches then, you might find collecting LTRs in some fashion more appealing for awhile? Then you can decide whether you want to go back to notch collecting, eventually go the loving, family patriarch gamer road with a wife (perhaps in a foreign country), or the Hugh Hefner route and grow old with a revolving harem!

  • Benny

    Roosh collects “Flags” because that is the only thing he has to show for me his jaunts.

    These flags are fat, disgusting goblins

  • Jojo

    Yes I agree with #30

    Live in the present moment. Diminish your ego.

    Eckhart Tolle’s A New Earth is a good place to start.

  • Coyote

    I have an intuitive link with life. I owe it to my Taoist kung fu studies.

    I just posted “Help Coyote Slip the Noose” thread.

    I find the timing shall we say coincidental (if you believe in such things as coincidence (I don’t).

    I have not been active on the forum because I have been hanging out with a chick thirty years younger than me, who is a solid 7 or better and has all the qualities that I should make me feel she is the one….

    As I wrote in my post – “I should be stoked.”

    I’m not….

    I think the blog was important but more so the replies. Now those were insightful. So I cut and pasted my favorites and commented on each… neurotic no? jajajajaaa

    I can judge because I am a 58 year old independently wealthy guy (since 30 years old and self made) who lived a playboy life style down to the oceanfront guard gated community home and Lotus. Then on to the spiritual bachelor (jajajaja) and now the expat cafetalero (coffee grower / hacienda owner) so to speak admiring the bounties of my work and experience (shall we say).

    Hey it is what it is and I am not boasting, I am stating my qualifications to comment on Roosh’s blog and more importantly the wise and insightful comments. There are very cool cats on this site.

    I am now trying to avoid a woman that all conventional thinking says I should grab.

    Let me digress (as I often do), the conventional thought was also for me to marry the chick that made a 100k a month…. I didn’t. Fuck conventional I have always said. I didn’t get wealthy thinking conventionally and I didn’t have the plethora of great relationships and more than a dozen friends of twenty years and a great life of having all the perks of fame without being famous – and knowing when to stop chasing money and use my wealth to enhance my life by using conventional wisdom.

    “When you know you have enough, you are truly rich.” Tao Te Ching

    Greed is conventional / It’s one of the reasons I left the US.

    Greed is a symptom of self-ignorance. Not knowing yourself, so how could you know when you have too much or too little.

    When you take the time to define yourself, the chances are very high that you will not see greed as a default action when opportunities occur.

    Personal development through self-definition creates an inner guide.

    This inner guide directs us with an obvious certainty that other perceive as confidence. Chicks love confidence. Confidence (real knowing from the heart / not cockiness: which is what you think you can do, rather than what you know you can do) makes thing happen financially, protection wise, and relationship wise. All your relationships are better when you are confident rather than needy. You physical challenges are better when you are confident and people like to work with confident associates.

    Creating a self-definition creates confidence.

    Confidence allows you to determine when you have enough (notice I did not write “when to quit”)

    When you have added always doing your best as part of your self-definition, then you have committed never to quit.

    Kung fu analogy: You are standing in let’s say a bar, and your challenger is there and you know you are going to take him out. Then you see his two bodyguards appear. He sees you and becomes threatening. You haul ass.

    You quit.

    Not if you have confidence you don’t quit – what you do is reposition for a more advantageous moment to take him out.

    If you run in fear, you lack confidence. If you run to strengthen your position, you are a strategist.

    This is the point to consider when thinking about diminishing returns.

    Why are you repositioning? Or are you running away.

    (side bar: awesome chick that I like (I usually don’t enjoy a woman’s company, they are unreasonable, trite, usually over confident and under accomplished playing a smoke and mirrors game that is thin when you hear them talk about their lives. It becomes obvious that they are not who they think they are (their self-image), but this 29 year old is amusing and observing rather than self aggrandizing. What ever the intangible reasoning I enjoy her company (at least for now).

    Side to the side bar: The most intelligent mentor I had told me. “Hey you are all in love and you think this woman is so great and you talk about how she is different – and its all roses. Now you just wait. About six months after you have met her you are going to get up and go to the breakfast table and just the way she chews her food is going to piss you off.”

    Hahahahahah… it’s like a Seinfeld episode where Jerry breaks up with a chick because she ate her peas one at a time rather than by the fork full!!!

    You wake up one day and it just happens.

    So, here she is, remember the facts.
    Me: 58
    Her 29
    Educated, intelligent, white chick, solid 7 – 7.5, great job with HP. Owns a house, owns a car, no kids, takes her mom on vacation to Cuba for a week, belly dancer and very competent and organized.

    So I am stoked, right?

    Not stoked! Why? I am thinking about the Dominican Republic or Colombia or Brazil.

    Am I running in fear? Or am I repositioning?

    Lets look at the fear.

    What could scare me: Death? Well I think about that every day and have pretty much resolved that I am going to die and that resolution has allowed me to risk.

    So it’s not fear. What it is, is there is a lot that can go wrong when you become beta to a chick

    Beta is what happens when moist guys marry, that is, they surrender.

    Like the guy in Asia said: if you marry on your terms it’s not surrender. That pretty much does not exist in the US. Its surrender there. Ah but I live in Costa Rica!

    So why am I leaving? A two month bachelor party of sorts???

    I have fulfilled every fantasy I care to indulge. Take my advice most of them were better when they were fantasies – naw its not that.

    What it is, is what all good kung fu men do, it’s what all complete warriors do (adepts in sword and pen), I am repositioning. Shaking up the variables, calling for a new hand.

    I feel she has a advantageous position on me and I don’t like to be at a disadvantage, so I am running, but not in fear. I am running as a tactic. I see diminishing returns in my relationship with her… see where I am going with this???

    So is walking away from a position (such as diminishing returns) done in the sprit of quitting, or is it repositioning in search of the advantage.

    Is it an acknowledgement that one has enough, so he is rich and can now use his riches to enhance his life: reinvent oneself (I have reinvented myself more times than Bob Dylan).

    Like my kung fu teacher said: When you get your black belt, you are now a teacher (reinvented). That means you open your own studio and teach. That does not mean that you cannot come back (to his studio).” You can go back to the old self.

    Is your repositioning a declaration of progression or a renunciation of the past?

    If you have self-defined, you know what is important to you; you have decided what makes you – you. Things like greed, laziness, vanity have been resolved; either rejected or accepted. Either way, you know who you are. Therefore, you are confident.

    Confident, you reposition effortlessly and never question the things I am writing about.

    You just know and act.

    To know and act is the same thing. You cannot know without acting. You cannot act without knowing.

    A while back I wrote Roosh several emails regarding brotherhood and personal development, character building. He published one on the forum with my consent, and suggested I join.

    His blog topic and the replies illustrate why character building is so important, as it affects what I teach through my writings (kung fu sutras) to be the three most important aspects of life:

    Spirit, Energy and Vitality: the ability to Communicate Provide and Protect.

    When you define yourself, you are creating a self-definition that facilitates your ability to provide, protect and communicate.

    When you asses a friend or an enemy, you must take into account his ability to fight (physical strength/ vitality), his social strength (who he knows and what connection he has, who he communicates with (spirit), and his ability to finance a campaign (business venture, war etc), his monetary wealth. Choosing and enemy or an ally without considering this, you are negligent.

    These are the things that make a man a complete warrior: protection, provision communication.

    To sum up this long ass post (short book), when you self define, you address these kinds of topics (diminishing returns for example) intuitively because you have addressed their roots (ie” greed) when you choose your character variables.

    Personal development is crucial to the kind of success that is fulfilling, satisfying. It may not always make you happy as you will choose according to what defines you, rather than what makes you “happy” in the moment. Nevertheless, you will live a high level of satisfaction; a feeling that endures, lasts.

    What is real lasts.

    Here are some of the great replies (I am strting out with one that I consider trite. A difenite platitude from a Dr Laura blog.

    “The time to cash out is when you find a woman who maintains your interest while looking after your needs as if they were her own; and who you can envision as the mother of children as you’re drawn towards the greatest investment of your time and energy, fatherhood. When that day comes, you’ll know it. Until then, keep plowing away.”

    Nice bit of living in a perfect world kind of thought.

    The thing is you may not know it. There is no perfect women or person, and you can plow away all your life… nice attempt for a fairy tale ending that could happen… but probably not. More likely, a path to an endless honey-do list…

    “Respectfully Tony, that is also called “chasing after a fantasy” That is exactly the Disney esque / Shakeseparian rooted bullshit propaganda that has been fed to men for so long. maye eons ago it was the case,. but not now and do not expect it to change until something happens where we get bombed back to the stone age by a doomsday metieor or something.

    Today in modern times men who grow old and stick to their independence are the ones who are happiest, not someone who marches off to the gallows of matrimoney and becomes some womans poodle.”

    Sagely advice. The perfect retort. Could not have said it better myself…

    “Quitting is difficult because it feels like defeat. It is not. It is knowing that you have achieved your original goal and it is time to move on. It is knowing that returns are much less than what you deserve and you deserve much more than that. It is knowing that it is time to move on because another attractive journey lies ahead of you and it is time to move on. It is not quitting, it is knowing. Knowing yourself, your capacities and your needs. What it takes to make you happy.”

    Sagely advice. This is the warrior mentality that comes from knowing yourself. To know yourself you have to define what is important to you. I covered that above…

    “Pursuit has a hidden result of defining who you are, who you have become. It is this attractive identity that is so hard to give up. We might kill ourselves if we give up this identity. But it is only a story we made up, selecting elements, rejecting others. If we created this identity, we can kill it and create another. A better one that this. More fulfilling. More nurturing. More … you.”

    Sagely advice. This has to do with reinventing yourself, gained from repositioning. In this case you are not repositioning yourself physically, you are repositioning (recreating) your image. You can do this without redefining yourself and adversely affecting your character. You do not have to go against what is important to you, your values, when you recreate your self-mage. If you do, you become incongruent, that is your image and your values conflict. You will be dissatisfied no matter how much money you make or women you have.

    “Any hobby you turn into a living is going to ruin it eventually. At some point you will find yourself saying, “I don’t really want to do X right now, but if I don’t I won’t pull down the income I need this week.” Once enough of that happens you will start to hate your own hobby.”

    Astute observation. This has happened to me several times and ultimately is what leads me to redefine/reinvent myself.

    “The question I guess becomes, how do you reignite that excitement? Or can you, or should you? And if not, what’s next? Hoping to find my next.”

    Passion is important. It’s central to the complete warrior. It the middle ring (the heart) that empowers the other four rings. One needs an education in all five rings to be complete. Passion, the way of the heart, fire, the ring of the fighter is essential in all endeavors. It is part of the primordial life force empowering our existence.

    “I feel this way sometimes. I’m 30 no and have bedded well over 200 women. I am an expert at my craft, but frankly sometimes I feel I’m getting old for it. It’s time consuming, expensive, it has opportunity costs…and realistically I think it’s an addiction. I certainly can Identify with this thread.”

    This relates to a post I wrote regarding wealth. Is money important to game? (I think was the title). Chasing chicks takes away from the time you can use to build your engine. Money fuels that engine. Think of the engine as your lifestyle/work/life purpose etc. Now if you have the lifestyle (engine) and money (fuel), women and philandering maybe as valid an option as anything else. Now, like anything else, if you abuse it then it’s just a sin. By that I mean a sin is anything that goes against yourself, and your self-definition. Anything that hurts you mentally or physically is a sin.

    “yeah. and sometimes you’re forced to sit down at the table again to stop the damage from happening. Because you got up once and it lead to a huge shitstorm that would have been avoided if you had just continued to play the game.”

    I love this insightful response and maybe my favorite. Here the clever author refers to what happened when you stray form who you are and what works for you (which yourself definition should support), and what you would have avoided if you did not go against yourself (sin).

    “But once they are raised and out the door, you’ll go right back to chasing the setting sun. My dad who is retired, bought a fucking camper and just drives around the country going to all the national parks. Makes me laugh. Once he sees every national park, he will probably buy a fucking plane or something and start flying places.”

    “A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose. Your roses and my roses may just be different things” My mentor said this in response to me asking him why a multi millionaire would hang out all the times at his warehouse complex, when (according to me) he should be sailing around the world or banging chicks three at a time – or whatever, anything than hanging out with his employees (for the most part). We all smell different roses.

    “He said “because deep down inside, in places you haven’t seen yet, they worry about dying. They know that if they retire, they lose their purpose and their reason to get up in the morning. And they know that once that reason evaporates, it’s a quick trip to the coffin. Watch how fast these guys die off after they leave this place. It usually happens within 2-3 years. When you lose a purpose for living, you die rather quickly once you’re older.”

    This is true but it does not have t be if you know yourself. If you become your job rather than yourself because you never took time to define yourself (so how could you know yourself and be true to yourself), than you will die once you lose your purpose. My purpose is me. That is, it is to perpetuate what is important to me. I am not my money, my family or my work. I am me. That is why unlike mist wealthy people I know if I lost all my wealth I would go right on being me. I may be financially poorer but I would not change. I would not want to kill myself etc (sin), I may feel bad after losing a lot but I would go right back to me doing what I do, that is acting to the situation rather than being a victim of it.

    I have this ranch in California and to get there I have to go through Fred’s property. Fred was in his 80′s and would always complain about his three goats. One day I asked Fred about the goats. He said he got rid of them. A week later Fred was dead.

    “What i htink, Roosh was tryin to tell us that its important to find your “golden middle” in everything you do.To stop when its not too late, or keep going if you feel like you are still not ready and really love what you are doing,or just to take a pose and relax if you are not sure what to do ! Unfortunately many of us (if circumstances as health, finances and great lyfestyle allows)forget where the borders are, and overdo it in all ways but then again , its all life experiences and we learn from our mistakes, adventures, travels , etc .The point is to be sure that what you do is the right for you!”

    I like this one as well. A lot of experienced individuals on this forum. I salute all of you. As illustrated by the above reply, sometimes you have to take inventory. Any excess is going against yourself (sin).

    “Why does it seem impossible for me to quit a game that has defined me for so long?”

    Because when one does not really know who they are, they self-define by their game, because they never took the time to define themselves by understanding what is important to them, and then acting accordingly. To not be seduced to act out of character by quick wealth or sex is to have the ultimate confidence in your character (your character should be your actions that are in line with your values. You have to determine those values before you can be consistent with them.

    “maybe it’s because one invested so much into something, that he finds it difficult to call it quits. I have been a musician for many years. I don’t make a dime out of it, yet I know it’s I want to do. Once the bet you placed is so high, you give yourself many reasons why you ‘must do it’, I guess.’

    This kind of grasping illustrates someone caught in the “previous investment trap.” It’s like when you pay $500 for a 3 day seminar and after the first hour you know you hate it, but because you paid $500 you stay to the end, and compound your losses by losing your time (the next two days) and your money (which is already gone). You have to know when to cut you loses – as soon as possible. Self-defining helps you stay out of emotional traps such as this one.

    “Also, might be the endorphins we get.”

    I like this one and find this reason to be with new women as valid as any other reason to do anything else – and better than most.

    “Finally, marriage and kids are work, but then so is living alone, or starting a business, because everything in life takes effort. But none of these situations are a problem for an Alpha male because he is a leader and master of his own destiny.”

    Sagely advice – all the good stuff is challenging. It also reminds me of the quote “I was miserable with you, and I am miserable without you.” Hahahahahha – really that quote is an example of someone who defines themselves by their partner rather than by themselves.

    “And for the cynics, the opportunities in Asia for dalliances on the side are bountiful, although I wouldn’t recommend it. If divorce should happen, you don’t get screwed financially like with the lawyers and laws in the USA. And it is much easier to return to the game where, as a 45 or 55 year old guy, its quite common to still date 25 or 30 year old women.”

    Great insight. I live in Costa Rica. I understand the importance of positioning both in and off the matt (kung fu studio floor). This illustrates the social and martial aspect of the ancient art. The yin and yang, the inside and the outside the kung fu studio where you learn (inside) and apply the art (outside) in its broadest sense.

    “You’re what — early thirties — and already with the “is that all there is” bullshit?”

    You gotta laugh at this one. Sounds like a Italian Jew doctor Laura (I am Italian BTW and many of my heroes are Jewish). Getowdahera – hahahaha. Yeah watch out Roosh he is gonna grab you by the ear when saying this and shake it real good….

    “What a grim fucking cliche of a thought.

    And everyone jumps to say: how profound. It’s not; it’s nothing.”

    I like this tough love answer a lot. My mentor said this as he held his hands about a yard apart, “There are two big things in life. On my left hand is when you are born. That is a big thing. My right hand is when you die. That is also a big thing. All this shit in the middle aint no big thing.”

    “Your stories about hunting snatch are good. Your “is that all there is” prattle is verbal trash. Who cares if it’s “honest.” Honest cowardice.”

    Having the guts to self reflect to help others do the same is hardly cowardice. This tough love answer is selfish. I think the author bemoans Roosh’s honest perspective because he feels he will lose a mentor. Valid for him, but selfish.

    “Think harder about what is making you ask such a rote question. And then break that chain.”

    I am a big fan of examining our thoughts. Overall, this is sagely advice.

    “Whatever it is you do, I believe that as long as you provide a valuable and sincere service to others, you will be rewarded in correlation with the quality of that service.”

    Build your treasures in heaven is a great thing…. (I hope that is what I am doing by taking three hours to write and edit this piece).

    “There is often some black-and-white thinking that tends to keep men chasing the diminishing returns of additional notches. With some exceptions, the manosphere primarily offers two choices to men, 1) stay single and collect notches in ONSs and STRs, or 2) “brave” getting married and game your wife to get sex and avoid divorce. Given those two choices only, many men stay free, single, and notch-collecting.

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of options in between that are not as routinely or loudly discussed. Men have MLTRs concurrently, they build harems, they have open relationships, they date bisexual women who enjoy threesomes, polyamory, etc. All of these options give men the ability to build relationships in new areas with greater returns – while not having to completely “give up” the option of additional partners. They can shift some of their energy in a new direction, without completely trading one lifestyle’s benefits for another.

    Like learning any “game”, this does initially take more work (although the new challenge can be fun too). Over time, however, having a steady relationship (or several) can help a man meet his sexual needs with less effort than finding a new ONS whenever he has an itch to scratch. This can free a guy up from diminishing returns and allow more time for success in other areas of life. Then again, if/when he does really want something new, he still has the ability to get it – without having to “throw away” his existing relationship(s) in the process.

    Perhaps, instead of chasing notches then, you might find collecting LTRs in some fashion more appealing for awhile? Then you can decide whether you want to go back to notch collecting, eventually go the loving, family patriarch gamer road with a wife (perhaps in a foreign country), or the Hugh Hefner route and grow old with a revolving harem!”

    This is very astute – practical sagely advice and enlightening. I thought I was alone on this one until I read this reply to the blog topic. This one resembles my life more than not. I find that it is a way. I am not saying it is the way. I am leaving half my wealth to my biological family (except one asshole and another jackass) and the rest is split up between my 12 great friends (great relationships that I have collected, two are women that I had love affairs with). In addition, I have some play for pay chicks here in CR who has turned out to be excellent friends for about 8 years now.

    A final note regarding our humanity (mortality):

    “Once a man. Twice a child. And everything is just for a while” That means we are childlike when we were born and afterwards. We become a man for a little while, then as we grow older, we become child like again. The exact ages and how long the periods last are up to the individual and the life experience. It’s a short ride so all you young guys man up and take some chances…. I am still taking chances when most guys my age are sedentary and only dream about having relationships with 20 year olds. I meet a twenty year old from Desamperados who gave me her number at the organic feria (Organic farmers market) today (sold 7.5 – I usually do not go for less). Going to text her now to set up a “get to know you” day date.

    **But whether we are in our first or second childhood and even when we are men, we at times need a “binky” (jajajajaja). A security blanket to nurture the illusion that security exists…

    Some men find their binky in the form of a wife… that my friend is a dangerous binky…. I prefer my dog as a binky. Much more predictable and usually more loyal…

    Coyote – over and out of here!

  • jmaxb

    Roosh, I check in on you every now and then. Chasing poon never actually seemed to bring you any real happiness, if your posts are anything to judge by. To the contrary, you seem like quite a miserable creature. If happiness is what you want, congratulations it seems like you might be ready to turn things over.

  • Coyote

    J max Beta

    You wear your name well…

    Congrats you have firmly arrived at assholedumb!

  • http://www.cedonulli.com Jake

    … at least for a little while.

    Diversifying. You’re doing it anyway, by your personality programming type. A lot of people don’t. It takes a lot of work to get good at something, into something – so much easier to stay where you got to, instead of abandoning it and starting over.

    I realized this recently while chasing 20 year old university students around Cambodia. Being 37, white, not speaking the language. Forced to let go of habits, get outside of comfort zones.

    Took me a whole three months to even start finding success. In hindsight, I’d just gotten way to comfortable with myself.

    Dating girls half my age who don’t even talk to whiteys: http://www.cedonulli.com/get-laid-dont-dress-your-age/

  • Ron

    Roosh, what do you want? Really.

  • Ron

    And by “really”. I mean I am honestly curious

  • Tigre

    The song “Welcome to Heartbreak” by Kanye West is apropos here:

    My friend showed me pictures of his kids / And all I could show him was pictures of my cribs / He said his daughter got a brand new report card (card) / And all I got was a brand new sports car / Uh

    Dad crack a joke, all the kids laugh / But I couldn’t hear em all the way in first class / Chased the good life my whole life long / Look back on my life and my life gone / Where did I go wrong?

  • Mike Tisi

    You’ve posted along these lines before, recently.

    For someone who enjoys a lifestyle alot like your’s, and is inspired by your ideas, and is about 6 or 7 years behind you age wise, what do you mean by this? I think it’s a question we all ask oursselves at one point or another.

  • Getyourownblog

    Coyote I liked your post (until my eyes started to bleed). Indeed you are smart and successful but for the sake of readers please try to condense your wisdom into a more consumable size. That’s why they are called ‘comments’ my dear friend.

    Roosh whatever you do just keep writing.

    Bless

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  • Anonymous

    Coyote – cool story, bro. Tell again

  • http://www.PartyTravelSexLove.com Brian Mark

    @33 Tampa,
    The reason these Senators or any other men die after they quit working is because they are their job. That is a problem. I could never work another day in my life and never get bored reading, learning, or traveling. I’d say they are just obsessed with work and male attention whores!

  • http://www.PartyTravelSexLove.com Brian Mark

    Roosh,
    First about the money. America puts way too much emphasis on how much money you make. Happiness and money are not the same. If all you had to do is make more money and then you’d be happier, I’d be at work 23 hours a day. You’d still be a Biologist or some corporate job.

    I can easily cure your problem that notches don’t mean that much anymore. When I was younger I did a lot of girls. What I’ve done, is gone up the quality ladder. Roosh, you need to quit wasting your time of low quality women. Spend the extra effort and get a quality woman or maybe two!

  • http://www.PartyTravelSexLove.com Brian Mark

    @47 Turk,
    I found your post kind of funny. You getting worried about being alone at 26 going on 27. Well, I’m a hell of a lot older than you and I can tell you how to solve your problem. You move to a different city, move to different country, get a new girlfriend, make some fun changes. Life gets old for boring people. Don’t let you self get bored, keep moving!

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    So maybe your realize what MRA’s/MGTOW fight for?

  • John Dee

    The amount of knowledge in the above comment’s is enough to make any man know that his feeble attempt to exist forthrightly is a greatly exaggerated abort to perceive things only as they concomatosely are.

    However said Truths are didactically necessary as every Nietchean evil is appropriately sanctified.

    So where’s one left to ponder the preposterous notion that existing according to another’s belief is absolutely correct? Well, in line with whatever beliefs the condition sanctifies.

    I feel like a lot of you (above) are similar to how I will become, but I am in darkness treading these lofty idea’s of knowing that what’s so simply available is only an effort’s grasp away, that I can’t find the morale to confidently imbue my own talent’s upon what world I know may so easily exist upon mine own beckoned [re-]awakening.

    When even language around you changes according to your tongue, one knows the power available in the slightest of handed presumptions.

  • John Dee

    Exaggerated – resort – attempt.

    Edit not worth editing as I can’t do so for Above: iPhone-typing promotes the alteration of words when one’s being expedient.

    I should instead use one of my other devices.

  • http://www.facebook.com/vallin.sfas Vallin

    My Dad liked to use that phrase a lot, and I vaguely understood it. When I double majored in Psychology and Industrial Relations, it was explained to me explicitly in Economics, and applied implicitly in Psychology. Journalistically the term has now returned as “Hedonic Adaptation” which was the topic of the blog I just read on your site.

  • Ash2Ashes

    Roosh, I doubt you’ll read this, 99% of people who pursue something with total determination have a void in their life. Thus achieving the goal is scary b/c there’s nothing to ‘fill’ the void with anymore. The only way to be happy is spiritual growth to understand and fix the void. I don’t mean religion, I mean closely examining who you are, meditating, and tearing yourself down and building yourself back up if necessary. Lots of meaningless sex is actually bad for you on a spiritual level, which is why all the great PUAs suffer meltdowns unless they settle down.