Femininity is a quality that pleases men. Therefore from the chart we can deduce that educated women decrease a man’s happiness. A good test to see if a girl is over-educated is to add the word “sexy” before her job title. If the resulting phrase ignites arousing images in your head, then she’ll most likely have what it takes to satisfy you.
Sexy flight attendant
Sexy PR rep
On the other hand…
Sexy IT specialist
Sexy business manager
Sexy tort attorney
Sexy civil engineer
Sexy research associate
Sexy financial analyst
Anything beyond a bachelors at a public university is a near guarantee she’ll possess a large basket of masculine traits that will prevent boners. Unless you’re a latent homosexual, you won’t get many benefits from a relationship with a woman on the right side of the chart.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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While obviously simplified, there is much truth here.
agree with the private man
education goes up, femininity goes down…there are exceptions however
There is some truth here, but I’ve experienced too many exceptions to take it seriously.
I’ve known plenty of female bartenders and teachers who acted like men and always tried to be “one of the guys”.
My last girlfriend was a lawyer who wore skirts, stockings, and heels to work every day and acted like a feminine little girl when she wasn’t at work. Granted, she was foreign-born (Eastern Europe) so that probably had something to do with it.
My problem is that when it comes to serious dating, I cannot stand to be with a girl who isn’t intelligent. The typical waitress, teacher, dental hygenist just bores me to tears.
Lucky cats and dogs don’t care about that stuff
I can agree with the trend of your first graph, but it has more to do with power related job than education. What about sociologists, anthropologists, linguists, psychologists, historians, even doctors ?
A woman seeking power will obviously have masculine traits.
And women with low power/authority will make a lot of men feel more masculine (strong, and more like his dad), reinforcing the effect.
But if you associate feminity with traditional gender roles, it’s a circular argument…
“Unless you’re a latent homosexual, you won’t get many benefits from a relationship with a woman on the right side of the chart.”
WTF. There are great benefits of dating a high IQ/education gf, like conversation, good manneers, money input, intelligent children, and rational arguments. Some may be masculine traits but they don’t make the bf an homosexual or a beta/loser.
I really feel like dumb chicks are boner inducing because they turn on the short term mating instincts in us, and they turn off the long term mating instinct.
You avoid the dissonnance of having to choose if she’s worth commitment, so you unconsciously can put all your energy in sex, so you feel they’re feminine.
I like my FBs not to be too smart, it flows easier and they are easier to frame, and my gfs the smartest as possible because i actually want to share some stuff with her. Am i that gay ?
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“Unless you’re a latent homosexual, you won’t get many benefits from a relationship with a woman on the right side of the chart.”
“WTF. There are great benefits of dating a high IQ/education gf, like conversation, good manneers, money input, intelligent children, and rational arguments. Some may be masculine traits but they don’t make the bf an homosexual or a beta/loser.”
This is *so* much bullshit.
Conversation? I get that from my friends. Like the fella said: smart and witty gets old, sweet and feminine never does.
Good manners? Bunk. You don’t need a 6-year degree or a 120+ IQ to possess basic courtesy and concern for others. In fact, there seems to be a inverse correlation between these things in the female of the species.
Money input? Fuck that. I make my own money, and the more focused chica is on her career, the less focused she will be on wife and mother responsibilities. (And if you’re not gonna marry her, her earning power isn’t relevant anyway.)
Intelligent children? Aspie kids, more like. Particularly in my case. Yep, for the good of my kids, I guess it’ll have to be sexy waitresses all the way. I’m all about the sacrifice.
Rational arguments? She’s still a chick, dude.
I speak from experience here … all my LTRs have been with high-IQ/advance-degreed girls. (Due to much of the same thinking you outline.) Having seen the error of my ways, I won’t be making that mistake again.
Haha brilliant graph, I couldn’t have said it better myself. I guess this is the reason I always find myself hooking up with struggling artist/waitress/bartender/media types.
You could also say the level of education correlates with a woman’s expectations. In my experience, waitresses and secretaries won’t care if you take them out for drinks or fast casual dining; whereas lawyers and managers often have much more expensive tastes (at least here in the feminist cesspool that is DC). Of course, there are always exceptions to every rule.
Hits home, but there are outliers. Is it permissible, in Rooshonomics, to treat/game these outliers in the upper right quadrant a little higher, or is a pussy still just a pussy?
@WhiteMonk I find that there’s little difference between a girl who’s intelligent and a girl who is fascinated by your intelligence.
Truth. i should also add that this also stems from the fact that people tend not to take women displaying feminine traits very seriously. they need to be masculine in order to properly teach students or yield authority in an office. thus, they’ve taught themselves to be masculine.
“Money input? Fuck that. I make my own money, and the more focused chica is on her career, the less focused she will be on wife and mother responsibilities. (And if you’re not gonna marry her, her earning power isn’t relevant anyway.)”
I’m cheap, so I’m always looking for a way to be more frugal. If you’re not marrying her, why would you want to spend more cash?
One reason I date the right types are because I know they’ll be willing to pay 50% or more during a date — Otherwise I don’t waste my time. You basically DHV by “allowing” them to pay… thank feminists for today’s “independent woman.”
I’ve found that the right types are just as willing (if not more so) to become FB status in their late 20s. Since they have such little time to go out while they are focused on their careers they will jump into a casual relationship pretty quickly, regardless of your social/income status. Great way to save some cash.
It’s also a good way to pick up some extra material perks while you’re banging your sexier, feminine, 23 year old waitress on the side. Right now I’m getting regular tickets to concerts and sporting events and spend less than I would otherwise.
I agree with your chart Roosh, but sexy college professor works for me. You should see my Spanish professor. Just want to bend her over the desk every time I have class. But, I get what you are talking about. Would you rather sit through a convo with a waitress who talks about “Jersey Shore” or a lawyer who talks about torts and habeus corpus….whatever that is.
Excellent observation Remy. The girls I got along best enjoy my intelligence, but only 1/3 of them had anything close to actual intelligence themselves. Never even realized that.
“there are exceptions however”
Here is a big one: Nurse
What if they are ASIAN or INDIAN WOMEN?
They can be hyper-educated and feminine.
Roosh, I see you’ve yet to go to eastern-europe. That chart is only correct for north-america.
Interesting chart Roosh. There are also variables in “education” and “career” (that are usually for money/power/status, and the “education” is not for a passion for the subject) such as, time (spending time sitting), weight (increasing), age (getting older), and thus as she gradually loses touch with her true feminine nature her interest in sex decreases. It would be better if there was education for girls to teach them to be feminine/dress sexy/how to give blow jobs/and sex techniques. I read another author who said that many women (even the few who seem sweet) can get married and then turn to use the marriage legal system to divorce and financially destroy men. The author hired a woman who did not have much money and had urgent bills to pay because she was more likely to stay and not leave just because she had many other options. This author also said (as is a variable in this chart here) that as her income increases she has more options (with more money she can be more selective to select higher status men, be more demanding/controlling, seek her agenda of a wedding for her/her house/and materialistic things for her, and then pay legal fees to lawyers to take at least half of whatever the man has). Thus, the intent of these women is not to be feminine women who enjoy mutual sexual pleasure to satisfy men, their intent is to get the education/career and as a result these women may not know what they have lost.
Great post! You learn this by living in the DC area for a few years. It’s almost like career women don’t have any hormones. Same thing goes for women in grad school.
education goes up, femininity goes down…there are exceptions however
The problem is that most masculine chicks with gigantic clitdicks think they are the exception.
We do need more educated and masculine and sexually unattractive women in the society.
So many men are sissy and getting sissified, especially in this day and age, somebody ought to do the job of whipping them good and real good.
Who, other than the female bosses, accept the wussy men? Female VPs, managers, and project leads FTW.
I’ll be busy dealing with the real men and the real women.
Like others have said, this chart has some merit but applies most strongly in the United States. Leave the US and you can find plenty of hyper-feminine women who are highly educated.
Such women exist in the USA as well, but they are the exception.
Roosh you’re awesome! This is another great post with so much truth.
All hail the Rooshman!
Great post. Too true, unfortunately.
Should that plot really be a straight line? That would imply that white trash/ghetto high school dropouts would be the the sexiest and most feminine of all women.
There really is no correlation between education/profession and the ability of a woman to hold a conversation of any depth, or express any kind of rationality away from her job. I know plenty of professional women with advanced degrees, in their 30s. And you know what they talk about when they’re together? Nonsense. Pop- culture bullshit, like who’s fucking who, who broke up/divorced who, and that kind of foolishness. The fellas, who though are college grads but don’t hold traditional status jobs (they work in various capacities in music and film – only one of us has an advanced degree and works in the financial sector) discuss sports like most guys do, but also whatever world and national matters that are in the news. We have lengthy conversations on Facebook over articles on a variety of subjects, from politics to science, with some of them amassing over 50 comments. Not a single woman chimes in. Not one. A couple of them are in relationships, and some married, but most of them are single and haven’t been in a relationship, or even had dates in years. And from some of the comments they post, I can see why. In person, they’re argumentative and petty. One friend, who was a film editor that now has gotten into modeling, goes on lots of dates (and goes on facebook to destroy them afterwards, usually for needy/beta-type behavior…HA HA!). While some of the woman in my circle are ATTRACTIVE, they don’t exude SEXINESS. Sometimes the more educated or professionally accomplished a woman is, the more competitive or combative she becomes with men, making every interaction some type of battle of will or intellect when it’s unnecessary or there is little to gain. Instead of enjoying your company, they spend too much time trying to break you down.
The independent female lawyers/doctors/models can go ahead and show how big their muscles are. The best shot they have is a guy with a small education and low intelligence.
I mean afterall, isn’t your significant other supposively your ‘better half’?
I know a girl who’s going to medical school next year to become a doctor. She is REALLY uptight when it comes to guys rejecting her. It pisses her off so much that she X’s them out. She bitched to me and her friend about her Ex, bought me a few drinks even though I didn’t want her to, then wanted me to stay over at her place for the night since I was feeling like shit.
FUCK NO! I ran.
Assanova even states that a girl who’s career-focused will always be too bitchy/tired when you’re in the mood for sex. She won’t be focused on the relationship like she should be.
Independent Man + Dependent girl = best bet.
This is actually hilarious. I’m a 23 year old grad student studying international relations and had to sit through a research proposal by this frumpy, unattractive self proclaimed “feminist” who was trying to make a case that “gender theory” had a significant role in Russia’s relations with the Ukraine. When I piped up and said this was nothing but a load of sweet and utter horseshit her ideas were I was attacked by six girls all at the same time including a prof who was in the room. Unsurprisingly the betas in my class sat there laughing nervously and one of them came up to me after to tell me he agreed with me but didn’t want to “face the wrath” of the other girls.. No wonder I always end up picking up 20 year old undergrads. Guys if you meet a female grad student run in the opposite fucking direction.
Yes, Nietsche said the same thing.
“A woman who pursues academic events has something wroong with her sexuality.”
How bout sexy social worker? That’s alwasys a good one. Blegh
I think you’re psyching yourself out here, Roosh.
Three posts ago you had the boner test. Follow your boner and don’t worry about semantics (OMG, she’s an anesthesiologist!)
I’m not a latent, or even full-blown homo, and I love screwing the types of women you don’t, or can’t, crack. The concept of “game” can give and take, what your left with is your essence.
Kind of a beta article
@G Manifesto – Nurse fits the schema, it’s a 2 yr associates degree to RN in the USA. Even higher degree nurses are not intellectual…at all.
I think this post has a lot of truth in it…
Nurse would be in the middle of the graph anyway.
As for conversation, chicks always like the gossip anyway, but SOME smart girls can have their gossip with their friends, and share interesting stuff with you. And while there will always be some testing and irrational arguments, that you’ll deal with using game, some chicks can keep themselves more in control than others and spare you some headaches. And IMO the best bet is a smart girl for this.
I don’t think intelligent girls are globally better, but if I’m looking for the uniquest girl, that’s where i’m going to look.
The thing is for a LTR you need someone that understands and share a good part of your values, so she needs at least to understand them.
If your only status comes from the fact you can play alpha game, she’ll find someone more alpha eventually.
I can’t compete in raw alphaness with the coolest asshole of the club, and i’m very bored at the idea to even try. But within my values i’m confident i’m the best in the world, so my best bet is a girl that has the ability to get it, my best bet is not to spit game on over-oestrogenized hairdressers that may leave me for a sexy gardener because his brother knows Usher personaly.
For most chicks, smart is boring, even though they like a little wit. Why should i shoot myself in the feet by downplaying what can be a great asset to a smarter girl?
I dunno guys, I’ve seen a few sexy professors out there. More likely to be teaching in humanities or lit though rather than sciences or business.
I think taht in alot of cases it is even easier to get with the smart and educated chicks -they know what they want and just because they present a challenge does not mean that they arent hot.
sexy bus driver
sexy nurse’s aid
sexy prison guard
sexy convenience store clerk
sexy WNBA player
sexy queer activist.
Colony of douches right here. Douches led by douches to inspire them to do the same douchey things that douches have done since the dawn of time, but these douches instead think they’ve thought of some Douche Holy Grail.
oh, you guys are into PUA and the whole alpha/beta drivel. lol no wonder.
This is so pathetic. Why would any woman want to date a guy who is intimidated by her intelligence or education level? You pretend it’s not fear or hide behind being traditional, but it’s bullshit. No woman worth her salt would ever want to date a guy as easily neutered as you.
Mike the moron:
Why would any woman want to date a guy who is intimidated by her intelligence or education level?
No, we’re just not impressed or attracted by it. And women who focus on such things become less feminine—less sexually attractive.
But keeping wearing your prostethic vagina, weakling.
The feminist trolls have arrived: http://www.manboobz.com/2011/03/educated-women-boner-killers.html
Bunch of deluded women there seem happy that their over-education has limited their dating pool.
This chart was of course an over-simplification, but my point stands is that education drives women to use intelligence as her best quality instead of femininity, at the detriment to a man’s happiness.
The graph might be accurate in some large urban areas in western countries. It might also be accurate in Latin America where women who can afford it are encourage to be silly and flighty and inconsequential.
It doesn’t work with Eastern Europe, though Roosh will probably be disappointed with Eastern European women who don’t go around wearing a lot of make up or especially dressed up (except for special occasions).
The women that do spend a lot of time and effort on daily appearance and who might seem to more feminine are less educated but also have a more masculine personalities in some ways (as in cutthroat materialism) than the more educated girls who dress a little frumpily.
My guess is that the three on the right in this picture
have less feminine personalities than the university students in this picture
While part of me agrees with this chart, I gotta say that this correlation comes from an inflated sense of entitlement.
Look at the much publicized issue of “educated black women can’t find a man”. Because while they will sleep with a thug their ego wont allow them to settle down with one.
So all these educated girls think they deserve a man with means and will aggressively try to screen for him, but this aggressiveness makes them look silly, entitled, and unattractive (especially the older they get – the aggressiveness gets turned up by the drying eggs). I mean it just gets bad, and no wonder the high status guys they chase look past them – noone wants to be with the kind of girl whose goal in life is the New York Times wedding section.
Here are some ridiculous entitlement examples. first – on my blog from a match.com profile i found – http://kidstrangelove.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/a-quick-snapshot-of-internet-dating/ – basically this girl wants a wallet with height.
2nd – saw this on reddit, some suburban mom is upset her kids aren’t getting name brand cookies – http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_li2hssp7zU1qz5tgbo1_500.jpg
To be honest, I feel incredibly lucky right now. I just recently entered a relationship with this girl who noone has anything bad to say about. She is incredibly caring and feminine, she is beautiful, when my dog died 2 weeks ago she immediately came over to comfort me, she can cook, she is getting her PHD in Biology so she is incredibly booksmart, yet instead of science she wants to help the fight against world hunger once she is out of school, and she gets my nerd side going by liking cartoons and video games. She is pretty much everything I want in a girlfriend
you probably guessed already that she is not American. She is French lol
@ Unsexy Fat Middle Manager
You are correct madam. Douches go up inside the pussy on a regular basis, and so do we.
I used to think I loved intelligent women, but after years of dating them I could no longer deny the ugly truth. Women just ain’t that smart. Some of them are book smart. Some of them can memorize stuff. But when you get down to actual creative intelligence – the ability to generate NEW ideas rather than just regurgitating other people’s ideas, you find VERY few women capable of that. The same way hardly any women have the sense of humor to be funny. The problem is that you have a bunch of women running around who THINK they are smart because of their degrees or job titles, and they love to lord that over everyone’s heads. In reality they are good parrots but they are not intelligent in the true sense at all. They become insufferable due to their overblown egos, and you are still left with having to hang with other guys if you want smart conversations.
this is gospel. another thing to consider: the correlation between a woman’s education and her happiness. also the same graph only the y axis is “happiness”
@ bateman. the same things are happening in my college classes. whenever i say something like “what is feminism, we should speak of feminisms”
“women are 52% of the population, we should not treat them as a minority group”
“the domestic violence campaign in america is exaggerated”
“women have had the equality of opportunity to vote and pursue employment for coming up on a century. why are we still bending over backwards to encourage equality of result?”
“should there really be female astronauts, soldiers etc.”
all the girls including the professor jump on my dick screaming. don’t back down. they are lying to you even at the college level.
I can see a lot of internet hate running with this one without taking a hot sec to think it over.
I agree with this chart on a surface level, the more educated a woman is, the higher-level her job, the more masculine traits she takes on, the more ego she can potentially jump ship with, the more manly she becomes…sometimes enough to change her from a woman ‘woman’ to somewhere middle ground. I also tend to find aspects of David Deida true in this regard, that some of these women are still very capable of being feminine, but during the daylight hours they take on masculine shells, when they come home they are fully capable of being a feminine woman and hanging that masculinity at the door. (this also depends because some women are just masculine and date effeminate men….vice versa). I dated a girl who was in charge of a legit homeless shelter, had a degree, incredibly book smart, sexy as hell and in some ways I think it was a battle for her to take on the traits of a leader at work, she was the one at the top of the mountain, responsible for keeping the operation running, had to be take charge, direct everyone, take on all the stress…but then later with me she was utterly and completely feminine (which flipped all my switches), but if you saw her at work doing her thing, you wouldn’t have any idea.
guys. the topic/concept is simplified but there is a correlation to it. additionally I found a study saying “The ambitious/gifted think a lot and a do “it” less. The invest in studying rather than having Sex”. This is a German Study I guess but could basically apply to every country I guess. Secondly this Study makes no fem/mal distinction. So 2 academics people have less sex than 2 people being a fem and a male bartender:-)
Roosh must be doing something right if he is getting this much hate from the feminazis. Only problem is he now going to have even more trolls to deal with on the blog and forum.
I also think we relate intelligence too closely with education. As Begby stated, a woman might be knowledgeable in her field of endeavor or interest, but not much beyond that. And yes, there’s a lot of entitlement attached to those degrees women hold.
@Kid Strangelove…recently I watched a documentary on HBO titled “When Strangers Click: Five Stories from the Internet,” which profiled couples and how they met on the internet. One of the guys profiled was on 5′ tall. No kidding. They showed him walking around the city, and you saw how his height contrasted with normal adults, and was a straight-up munchkin. He said he was able to hide his lack of height on the internet until he found someone he clicked with (he actually married and had a child with the woman he met). After each segment, they run some factoids about internet dating. After this segment, they posted a statistic that stated for EVERY inch under 5’10″ a man must earn an additional $40,000 to be viewed as favorably as their taller counterparts. I don’t doubt this. I had an acquaintence that herself was all of 5′ tall. She raved about this blind date she had been on, however there was a BUT. The guy was only 5’4″, making him about right for her. Nope. He had to be taller.
I don’t get why more women are going to school for higher degrees. If you want to have a healthy kid, you should have it by 28. Then you should spend several years with it. Let’s go back a few years: you went to school until you were ~24, maybe you got a relevant job for 2-3 years max — you’re nowhere near paying off your debt and now you have a kid, you take several years off from your career, after 4+ years away nobody’s going to want to hire you, they’ll take a recent grad or someone with consistent experience over you. Many women don’t even go back, leaving their beta to help them with the remaining $50k+ student loan, what a nice guy.
Why bother with the education and debt, you’d be further ahead financially and have more freedom in your life if you just waitressed. Women having kids at a healthy age while pursuing careers does not compute.
“This is so pathetic. Why would any woman want to date a guy who is intimidated by her intelligence or education level? You pretend it’s not fear or hide behind being traditional, but it’s bullshit. No woman worth her salt would ever want to date a guy as easily neutered as you.”
Who said anything about intelligence? It’s a fact that the more successful the woman, the less feminine she acts, thus the less sexy she is. I don’t see why this is so difficult a concept to grasp if you were indeed as intelligent as you postulate.
Roosh hit it on the head, women replace sexiness/femininity with intelligence. This is why these women will be old, withered, dried up, and alone.
http://www.manboobz.com/2011/03/educated-women-boner-killers.html incident is hilarious.
What chump takes another person’s blog article to defend his view?
I’m willing to be my one cent that the poster “David Futrelle” is a beta male dying to get some pussy action from feminists, and I’m willing to bet my two cents that Roosh gets far more action than Mr. David Futrelle, whose last name strangely rhymes with “Fat Rally.”
It’s probably not even a guy really. Just a group of fat, over 35, feminists lamenting over why they don’t have decent men in their lives deep inside, and spend their days consoling each other by discussing how feminism is always under attack.
Damn, entertainment in the Roosh Sphere never ends. How hilarious.
How can someone take something like this so seriously? The feminists with neither men nor life. Welcome to the 21st century. [shake my head]
A lot of librarians are actually pretty well educated, at least to the Master’s level.
Most of em are pretty frumpy tho.
Guess they should enjoy that “sexy librarian” stereotype as much as possible… wonder where it came from?
51: The largest driver to lower fertility in the Western world in female employment (Source: The Rise and Fall Of The Great Powers)
“Guess they should enjoy that “sexy librarian” stereotype as much as possible… wonder where it came from?”
Porn and the episode of Seinfeld where Jerry forgot to return The Tropic Of Cancer
I would say it’s a bit like being tall. A girl who is 5’11″ will be more limited in the number of men she can date, but she will be fine with a man who is 6’3″ and he will be perfectly happy with her.
In the same way, a man who is a college professor; a doctor; or a lawyer will be okay with a girl who is also educated. He may even prefer it to dating a waitress.
Still, being highly educated does limit a girl’s options a bit. Probably the best is to have a bachelor’s degree.
I heard many years ago the most effective non-coercive way to lower the birth rate in 3rd world countries is by raising the education level of the WOMEN of those countries.
A lot of the comments are confusing formal education with intelligence, and this is a gross mistake. Intelligence can be conducive to education, but it’s quite essentially distinct from the latter, and it is hardly a strict requirement for it these days.
If intelligence is marked by high-IQ problem-solving and best exemplified by the brilliant scientist/mathematician (i.e., masculine; extreme male brain), then it’s arguably correlated w/masculinity. No man (w/options) romances an argumentative systemizer, even if she’s a conservative anti-feminist (in her theory).
This is one reason I don’t find myself attracted to conservative girls who are into politics. I don’t want a male brain in my girl, even if we agree in detail. In fact, I’m always more into liberal chicks (as long as they’re that agreeable type who only know politics to the extent they were accepting what their educators impressed onto them). Plus, liberalism is itself a feminine ideology, and feminine women are, it seems, more likely to sympathize with it. Despite my conservatism, outwardly Republican girls often turn me off, especially if she likes talking politics w/me.
“Feminine intelligence” usually involves mentalistic thought, probably constituting something like social IQ, the ability to intuitively read others and empathize. This isn’t typically regarded as “intelligence” though. However, most guys wouldn’t be positively turned off by it, as they are w/theoretical smarts.
If you are looking for a good wife, this graph is EVEN MORE IMPORTANT!
A woman who is more educated and has a higher income is automatically, immediately, and completely more likely to divorce you…and then in addition to her higher income, she will hound you to the ends of the earth to get half of your income.
Women that make more money then their husbands are something like 90% likely to divorce. The statistics are damning.
“Femininity” is a simple word that men use to describe a pretty complex concept — “is this woman likely to be a good mate.” As we see, highly educated women are less feminine which means, really, men realize that they are unlikely to make good wives and mothers.
Never ever marry feminists or professionals. Avoid like the plague.
“Women that make more money then their husbands are something like 90% likely to divorce. The statistics are damning.”
Yes, high value women have more options, so they divorce more, shocking stats.
I expect that fat poor mentally retarded women don’t cheat much due to their lack of options. These are the ones you’re looking for, the feminine ones :).
I predict beautiful women divorce more, educated women divorce more, rich women divorce more, talented women divorce more, excellent cooks cheat more etc…
Just don’t buy something you can’t afford. Famous actresses for example, most of the time no man no matter how alpha can keep them for a lifetime, they’re out of control because of their value which is out of proportions.
If the value doesn’t justify the effort for you, don’t bother, look for a girl who is calibrated to your values.
Most of men would rather have a pretty gf, even if the chances of cheating are higher. If that’s the only important value for you, you may want to choose her dumb, poor, uneducated and LSE and just screen out the pathologic cheaters.
If you like intelligence, picking an intelligent chick is worth the trouble.
“Women that make more money then their husbands are something like 90% likely to divorce. The statistics are damning.”
“Yes, high value women have more options, so they divorce more, shocking stats.”
Are you really so thick as to confuse “more money” with “more money than their husbands”? Are you really so silly as to believe that a woman’s career, education, or earning power has any meaningful effect on her SMV?
Newsflash, chickadee: Men aren’t women, and aren’t attracted to the same stuff y’all are.
“Yes, high value women have more options, so they divorce more, shocking stats.”
Anon, truthfully I could care less about your opinion. Like most women, you are absolutely willing to sacrifice everybody else, men, children, and all of society, just to satisfy your shitty little feminist hate-meme. Every word out of your mouth is absolutely untrustworthy, lies, truth, maybe but all in service of hate and manipulation. Not worth responding to any further.
Except I’m not a woman, and certainly not a feminist. And I’m not a hater of anything really.
And i don’t want to sacrifice anything…
Seriously what the hell are you talking about ?
Actualy I agree with a lot of stuff said on this blog and I’m well aware of the many differences between genders, so it’s pretty weird that you identify me with a selfish hater feminist bitch.
The fact that I was posting to bring nuance make it very ironic.
“Are you really so silly as to believe that a woman’s career, education, or earning power has any meaningful effect on her SMV?”
For LTR, definitely, to me and to many guys I know. I’d bet it works this way at some level for the whole population as well, but I don’thave data to show you about it.
I’m as upset as everyone at the easy feminist argument dissmissing all opposite arguments as coming for insecurity, but as to the phobia of smart girls, it’s the most relevant explaination i find. But I live in Europe, maybe that’s why I think the argument is so out of proportion.
OTOH, the art of being feminine IS at some point an art of not being threatening (i.e. making the man comfortable letting him and in control, i.e. helping him feel “masculine”), so in the end the feminity of a chick depends on the guy she’s with.
I don’t think there’s much to judge in guys that don’t like educated chicks, it’s about tastes and boner test. Do what you want.
For me I hate silly gossip, girl fights, general stupidity, I really do like intelligence in a girl.
And I like good meals, bedroom eyes, sweet vulnerability, feminin generosity…
And I know I can get both.
Smart chicks overall probably do have higher testoserone and more masculine traits, i accept that.
They cheat probably more as a whole due to that, OK.
But I still think it’s worth it.
British data, for what it’s worth :
“Research released today shows 66 per cent of men are most attracted to high-flying females, rising to 71 per cent among 30 to 34 year old men.”
Though it’s not true for all “masculine” traits:
“Now 18 per cent of men look for a partner who’s fun, 14 per cent want a woman who can stand up for themselves and nine per cent value spontaneity.
A further 35 per cent said they like so-called ‘bad girls’ like Hollywood actresses Angelina Jolie, Megan Fox and Welsh singer Charlotte Church.”
It doesn’t prove or unprove that educated girls are feminine. But it does indicate that men like them, so high SMV indeed.
Asian women, who are praised as the most feminine in the “manosphere” are more likely to be;
Sexy IT specialist
Sexy business manager
Sexy tort attorney
Sexy civil engineer
Sexy research associate
Sexy financial analyst
On the otherhand….
American women who are rivled as the least feminine in the “manosphere” are more likely to be;
Sexy flight attendant
Sexy PR rep
ROOSH! YOU GOT SOME ‘SPLAININ’ TO DO HERE !!!!
The weakness of this analysis is that Age hasn’t been accounted for – a waitress can be a teenager, but you won’t find a lawyer or college professor below the very late twenties. So, to have an objective analysis of education (or profession0 level to femininity, you would need to do something like restrict your study set to women 30 (+/- 2) years old.
As it is, you could re-label the X axis “age”, and you would get much the same correlation.
Only in USA. In Asia, I knew more than one sexy university lecturer, with a cool personality to boot.
“OTOH, the art of being feminine IS at some point an art of not being threatening (i.e. making the man comfortable letting him and in control, i.e. helping him feel “masculine”), so in the end the feminity of a chick depends on the guy she’s with.”
Agree. Truly masculine men don’t worry so much about being demasculinized. They are so masculine that all women are feminine to them.
Regarding divorce, in the USA at least, the higher your socio-economic status, the less likely you are to divorce.
Divorce is prominant amongst the lower-middle classes. Upper-middle to upper classes generally stay married – happy or not.
A woman with a PhD married to a man with a PhD is more likely to stay married than a waitress married to a trucker.
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I don’t think you gents would like librarians.
1) You must have a Master’s Degree in Library Science in order to be a librarian.
2) Most of the “sexy librarians” I have known have been extremely politically aware, outspoken and intellectual.
I’m guessing that if you actually knew any “sexy librarians” you would find them completely intimidating.
I totally agree that the more educated women are, especially american women, the more they become ugly. Can’t say that more educated women in europe are less sexy. International girls – http://ratethisworld.com are the finest in my opinion and always will be. That is why I left the states!
Roosh, you’ve been defeated!
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This actually makes a lot of sense. And judging from my real life experience, it’s true too.
I’ve seen a couple of sexy and girlish professors. Of course they were too old, and I’m probably giving too much weight to their amazing racks, and they are exceptions, but every girl nowadays can aspire to being that 1 in 1000!
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*points and laughs at the whiny coward*
That PhD student wouldn’t go out with you huh?
You stink to high heaven of inadequacy, inferiority, weakness and cowardice.
You’re not rejecting high quality women, little boy, they are rejecting you.
Go cuddle your fleshlight.
LOLOLOL little loser.
Let me guess – Roosh was probably turned down by some attractive woman with a graduate degree wouldn’t sleep with him. Right?
Oh, wait. Educated women are boner-INDUCING for me, therefore I’m really some latent fag whose opinions don’t count, eh?
BTW, you like sexy librarians, Roosh? Did you know that most librarians have a Masters degree? Wow! You must be a latent fag, too!
Guess you’ll have to get over all that not-so-latent misogyny and homophobia you exhibit.
Interesting graph indeed. It appears to show that you suffer from erectile dysfunction due to psychological traumas inflicted by meeting someone far more intelligent than you.
Get therapy. Or pop a pill. I feel bad for your penis.
And really, dude, librarians are some of the most highly educated people out there. Organizing the world’s composite knowledge requires, y’know, brains.
Gonna say again: Your poor penis. I really feel bad for it. You, on the other hand…
In a word, bollocks.
Thank you for reminding me that my sole purpose in life is to give you a boner. I mean, while I was off in law school “making someone of myself” I could have saved all of that time and money being a sexy bartender or a sexy actress. Man, that was a terrible decision. You really provide a service to society, Roosh.
[Roosh: You're not making anything of yourself in law school, unfortunately.]
There are plenty of very hot, very feminine girls/women out there who also happen to be educated and accomplished…. but they are simply out of reach for the bed-wetting, ass-brained toddler-dwebes posting on this site.
They’re just not interested in being duped into sex, which is the only way you hung-like-a-cashew f@#$tards manage to get laid.
Rather than seeking appropriate psychotherapy for your micro-penis humiliation, you guys need to overcompensate for your inadequacy by berating women who have their S#*t together?!
It makes my balls hurt to read this pathetic deuchebaggery, especially you hypocritical clowns calling other guys “betas” for having some class and standards! Talk about the pot calling the kettle a s%#thead.
Being intimidated by smart girls – yeah, that’s very alhpa of you.
In the end though I do feel I owe at least a little thanks to all you mysogo-dorks… it’s losers like y’all that made it possible for guys like to me to do rather well with the best, brightest, most attractive, most elite girls, who will forever elude you mullet-sporting Power Rangers.
wait… so this article wasn’t some joke???
You mad Bro? Haters gon’ hate on women who can rock science AND squat lower and harder than their male counterparts.
Check some actual facts and note that Librarians need a master’s degree to acquire that title these days. Smart and well-read remains sexy and desirable to men who are worth doing. Ever stop to think that the boners that are supposedly softening might not be the best in bed. Perhaps the smart girls and boys out there know something you don’t.
I am just glad all these brohams will go after the retarded girls, thus leaving me with the sexy trial attorneys…
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Ugh, whoever wrote this is going to get SO MUCH VAGINA. Because every girl wants a guy who only likes her because she’s stupid. UNFFFF SIGN ME UP.
Wow. Well after reading this comments section I (a woman) have just found an entire category of men who will NEVER be getting into my pants. Gentleman -not that there appear to be that many of you here, just immature little boys – congratulations. You’ve just commented yourselves out of a lot of sex.
Librarians are required to have a master’s degree. Where does that place them on the hot/educated scale?
Reading this, I feel obliged to ask where do women pharmacists belong?
I feel the same way Rooshy. Except I’m gay and you are making me SO HOT right now!
You know what’s funny? Projecting your insecurities on well accomplished men.
Hence the unsurprising amount of concern for Roosh’s penis.
I’ll explain this article with the only reasoning your infantile little minds will understand. Women who compete with men for college education and jobs will act like men who have college educations and jobs. Women who internalize the masculine traits necessary to succeed in America’s job market are going to be a lot less sexy than women who stayed at home and learned from her mother how to make a man feel loved. Women who learn how to do this do not need to go to college or work for the rest of their lives. Unsurprisingly, the children under the care of these women grow up to be well adjusted, productive members of society. And the women themselves are satisfied and content because they have, literally, all the time they would have been working to do the shit they actually want to do. How is that better than wasting your parents money to go to college, get fucked by an average of 7 guys you couldn’t snag into marriage, settle for some dipshit you don’t like when you’re too dried up and old to settle for anything better, then spend the rest of your life wondering why you didn’t get married sooner when you still had options.
I’m not going to say that Roosh is the arbiter of all things men find attractive, but ladies, if you have degrees and jobs, don’t try to impress men with them. Nothing kills my boner like a woman trying to convince me her job is important.
If discussion about work got me hard, then my 9 to 5 would be continually interrupted with me having to run to the bathroom to jerk off.
College also turns ordinary young women into slutty, fat, heavy-drinking, opinionated, self-entitled, feminist assholes. Four years of having everybody boost your ego in a major that’s statistically worthless while you use your free time to chase alphas and get very drunk will do that to women.
An intelligent woman is so much sexier than a dumb blonde every day of the week. If I can’t have a meaningful conversation with her, I probably won’t fuck her.
Are you for real? Education =masculinity=not sexy? Being independent and free thinking is a bad thing? Explain to me why it’s an option for only men? Other than the whole “boner killing” thing…because if that’s it? Grow up.
It’s only hot when YOU do it? Come on man – do you really think this? Perhaps they just AREN’T YOUR TYPE. Maybe making YOU feel strong and manly aren’t on their top list of things to do.
Personally – I think you are missing out.
The fact that there are so many guys that agree with you…makes me so glad I found some one who doesn’t.
ah ah, could not agree more, Roosh. All these ‘I am tough and intellectual’ stupid bitches who can’t even tie their shoelace when shit hits the fan and a man is needed.
Yeah sexy cute waitress vs bitchy ‘I am a smart bitch’ lawyer, it’s like day and night for a boner
Thanks for sharing your opinions, however as a “smart girl” I wouldn’t date any of you if my life depended on it, so lucky for you deadshits you’ll never have to hurt your brains coping with this graph or actually having the option of choosing between myself or a “sexy” nurse or whatever.
Eat a dick.
You mislabeled the graph. Instead of “Her Femininity” you should have written “Her likelihood of sleeping with random assholes”.
Smart women kill your boner because they see you for what you are: a sexual predator; an ignorant, abusive, loathsome, near-sighted, self-important, bottom-feeding parasite. A leech. A loser. The fact that you are bragging about inexperienced, awkward, fast-food sex tells us more about your insecurities than you could ever write.
Some of the wildest, most off-the-wall orgasms of my life just happened to be with “sexy” lawyers and engineers. Why ? Because they were interesting enough to keep around for longer than a one-night stand. And even if we stick to the sex, the smart ones will learn what gets you off, refine it, tweak it, and take you to new heights. I’d rather jerk myself off than share vapid conversation with some half-wit whose only claim to fame is that they have a vagina.
So… The only thing the men who follow this seem to want in companions, is the ability to give them a boner. Not to stimulate their feeble minds, or humble their unwarranted egos. Just make the blood in their dicks pump. Heh, good luck when the erectile dysfunction kicks in and those sexy waitresses (ever notice all these jobs are usually for young GIRLS just starting out?) or whatever get turned off that you’re fucking old. Yeah, sounds like a REALLY good plan.
Hateful or not, the article is very entertaining ,and I am sure it is often true. However, I would like to suggest a few caveats from my personal exeprience and observations for everyone’s consideration:
1. Sometimes the cause and the effect are the other way around. A less attractive girl does not have as many distractions in her life. She is not asked out to parties as often and she is not asked out on dates as often as the hotter women. As a result, she has more time and likely more interest in reading, studying, etc… hence – she is more likely to succeed academically.
On the other hand, many hot girls are confused from early age. They get too much attention too early from too many people and guys. This often takes them in the direction of partying being way too social and doing anything other than pursuing higher education, or career. In other words, the less attractive women are inclined to study more.
2. I think upbringing is far more important to shaping a woman’s femininity than academic and professional pursuits. I just can’t imagine how gaining knowledge in school will ruin a woman’s femininity. I have met quite a few graduates of top schools and they struck me as quite sweet and humble. I actually asked them about the other kind of girls in their own schools. They would smirk and nod, saying that they know the kind of girls I was talking about and they hope to never become that way, as the female power trip is as ridiculous to them as it is to us.
The ivy league girls from the Northeast that you are not a fan of are not that way because they went to Harvard or Cornell. They were that way at the time they got into those school or even long before. Harvard didn’t change them. Harvard just happened to be the place that many of them seem to want to go in order to raffirm their masculine, unattractive, uppity self. Their attitude, however, comes from their environment. Be it snobbishness or unfriendliness or entitlement mentality or arrogance or distorted view of their own (non existent) physical beauty – all that comes from their environment. Higher education might aggravate those problems by giving those women more reasons to believe that they are all that, but that’s not where it begins. It begins way earlier – at home or in their immediate community where these terrible qualities are fostered.
3. Roosh, from little that I know about you, I can guarantee you that the only woman who will be able to capture your long-term interest is the one who can sweep you off your feet not only with her body but also with her mind.
And by that I don’t mean that she will be showing off her knowledge or degrees or professional success or paychecks. Not at all. But you will surely have more fun talking to a smarter and more educated woman, exchanging ideas with her and knowing that shemmight just understand you better, get your jokes quicker and be able to dish out some of her own. There aren’t many of them, but the are how girls out there who are also smart, educated and accoplished and at the same time secure enough not have the attitude that we dislike so much. Meeting such a woman is kind of a rare blessing, but it’s worth looking for.
How about a journalist??
Not necessarily the Barbara Walters type but one that works in public radio or a local tv station in a big market.
Entertaining, but I’ve seen (and experienced) way too many exceptions to these rules to buy it.
The cause/ effect issue Ark mentioned is a good point.
But here is another factor: the more educated and powerful a woman is, the smaller the pool of compelling men for her. Since women value power and status in men, the more powerful and the higher status a woman has, the fewer men will be attractive to her.
This is why many career women as they get into their late 20s and 30s have so much angst around finding a husband or long term partner–there just aren’t enough men to go around.
So it’s not abut masculinity. It’s about power. The Queen in the castle does not boss around her pawns and servants because she is masculine. It’s because she is powerful. With the King, she is not bossy, but submissive.
You want a good mother for your children right? That’s a “feminine” trait right? Well–what does a good mother do? She imposes discipline and guidance on her children. Does that make her masculine? If it did, that would be a contradiction. Being feminine means being masculine. No, instead, it’s about power–the child is less powerful than his mom.
So the more powerful the woman you want, the more powerful you need to be. You have to be the King to her Queen. That’s just basic attraction and human sexual dynamics.
If I ever meet a man in real life who thinks a woman can be overeducated and says because I’m pursuing my PhD that I’m not worth being with, I am going to break his face.
Caitlin you’re confirming with that tone of your sentence Roosh’s article!! It seems that even education can’t buy smartness, wacth out what you are saying LOL.
lol please show me the peer-reviewed study that indicates whatever vague quality “femininity” is is inversely correlated with education level
i’m fucking dying to see it
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Oh man, the level of macho insecurity here is hilarious. Feel sorry for anyone dumb enough to refer to themself as an “alpha”. So sad.
So, do “masculine” traits go down in correlation with jobs like “blogger”? BAHAHAHA…sigh. Hope you guys feel terrified every time you walk by a construction site. Oh…they might steal all the “feminine” women! HAHAHAHA
Are you kidding me?
The problem is that intelligence, education, and power are seen as masculine traits in the first place. I’ll have you know that women can perfectly well have them and use them well.
If you have a problem with that, clearly, you’re not so secure regarding your place in the world.
Also, you are mistaking “feminity” for “what personally gives you boners”.
The women you say don’t exist – the smart and sexy ones – are actually so far out of your league you don’t even know about them, that’s all.
I can’t believe this shit is actually read and supported by certain people.
Tessa – Bioengineering Graduate student
Please. The only women who fall for your game have IQ’s 70 or below. I understand it must be easier to state all smart women are ugly to deal with this fact.
Btw. Librarians need masters degrees.
you are literally a piece of shit
Hilarious – as if anyone actually cares what you find attractive!
My girlfriend is in law school, is extremely intelligent, and is pretty damn sexy to boot. She actually was encouraged to go and model during our undergraduate years by an agent, and she turned down the offer because she wanted to focus on her studies. Not only is she smart and beautiful, but she’s feminine as well. She always takes time to make sure she dresses well, doesn’t leave the house in pajamas or whatever, and works out to take care of her appearance. I liked her because I thought she was beautiful. I fell in love with her because of her mind. Yes, I’m a dude. Yes, I find that women who are pursuing high degrees of education can actually be quite feminine.
Actually, it’s the opposite for me.
Well, clearly an uneducated man created this article! Your x axis is clearly labeled “Her level of education” yet it falls from the high point of waitress to the low point of college professor.
Also, I like intelligent women much like “Wait, wut?” above
Doesn’t make sense. What about teachers? Nurses? Both of these jobs require high education, and appeal to the feminine side of women.
omg please tell me this is satire.
I agree with the poster who wrote that women are not really intelligent. Not one of them. Not the PHD or doctor or lawyer. Not a single important invention has been made by women in the history of Nobel prizes.
Women are indeed able to memorize and parrot knowledge but they completely lack the individual thinking and creativity that is the true hallmark of intelligence.
I’ve met plenty of highly educated women who’se eyes would glase if you entered into a subject such as philosophy, ethics, cosmology, physics etc. All the subjects which change the world and drives it forward. Women are simply not interested and not cable of that. Their ‘discussions’ about these sort of things are just one woman repeating what she read in a book and another countering with more memorizing.
Therefore, I care not in the slightest for book smart girls.
I fully agree that the true female intelligence is of a emotional and emphatic character, which men can’t match.
I’ve also found that since women are not capable or interested in true intellectual discussion, what you should strive for is a woman smart enough to recognize when you’re being smart and applaud you for it, but not smart enough to think that she needs to butt in with some memorized text book line.
If you want an educated woman, go for those with a more feminine interest that doesn’t easily translate into a career such as language, arts, music or if you must get a doctor, get one with an interest in treating children or animals.
This is some straight up bullshit right here. Who is stupid enought to buy into this?
Y’all are right, it’s common knowledge that testosterone is released into your body when your neurons are firing
College woman here; I actually grew a penis after reading the Illiad
Luckily it went away after reading this blog post
Dude you’re a piece of shit. Intelligent / educated women are so much hotter than uneducated women. Just because you’re an uneducated high school dropout who gets insecure around girls who are smarter than him, doesn’t make them less feminine or masculine, you fucking moron.
Get that dildo out of your ass or come see me so i can bitch slap the pussy out of you.
I was just reading some business article on my pocket app and came across article about four McKinsey friends who started awebsite called Pretty Young Professional. Which eventually shut down because the beta female was being bullied by the alpha female. At first I thought I was reading a business article, then I realize, oh shit this story is a play by play of how fucked up American women are. These women are so full of themselves, just the name Pretty Young Professional was enough to make me want to puke. Instead of being inspiring, it totally grossed me out. Here is the link
It’s not the education’s fault. I’ve always said that I will NEVER let a job affect my feminity, and my educational ambitions are way up there. Why can’t a smart girl wear high heels and take care of herself? The problem is that the environment makes it very difficult to do so, because she might not be taken seriously. I have never been anywhere else where older men disgustingly check out younger girls more like DC. This city has made me sometimes feel guilty for taking care of myself. And I think some girls get self-conscious of that, think that it’s their fault, that somehow it’s wrong to wear heels, warm colors, some make up and such. But I know it’s not my fault if they can’t keep their eyes off my legs….so no thank you DC, I’m not giving in. I’m bringing some color into you and you’re gonna accept me for that.
On a side note: Americans have a very unhealthy relationship with the idea of beauty. It’s almost as if you think “if there is no utility, why is it present?” Hence the “there is no reason to look good in the office” attitude. Why not? Embrace it dear Americans. There’s a way to be tasteful about it.
I can’t believe the chart or how ridiculous some of these comments are. Your opinions, especially the one who created this, might be reflected here, but you are ignorant if you think the rest of the world agrees with you.
Femininity is a concept, not a definition. It’s meaning and importance change depending on who you ask and where they come from.
Many of you seem to think femininity = sexiness.
Well, an educated, especially a WELL educated woman, is sexier in ways that many of you will never comprehend because you can’t think past your own dickheads. Congrats, and thanks for leaving the best for the rest of us.
>> instead of science she wants to help the fight against world hunger
If you were a man, you’d have already have explained to her that do-good’ing will not eradicate “world hunger”.
It WILL likely make her the mother of a mixed-race illegitimate baby.
But, you’d still love her and spend your own money to raise the kid, wouldn’t you?