The checkpoint in this video was nearly 50 miles north of the Mexican border, so it would have been utterly pointless in stopping illegal immigration.

The real purpose of these checkpoints is to condition Americans to get used to the police state.

You can read the guy’s blog here, which has other videos as well. Reading the comments though you get the feeling that he’s fighting a cause that most Americans don’t care about. Example:

I just have to give cuddos to the work that is being done by our Men and Women of Law Enforcement and Homeland Security. Where would be without them protecting us. The problem that people fail to remember is that without these people, immigration/drug smuggling/terrorists would be running our beautiful country. As a Homeland Police Officer myself we deal with the things others don’t want to and better yet, if some Hippie Scumbag has a problem with the work we do then move back to Mexico/Canada/or live on a deserted Island and get out of this Country that I love.

Whatever rights are being eroded, remember it can’t be done unless normal Americans like the border agents above or the bureaucrats with a law degree go along with it for a paycheck and a feeling of importance and power.

“I was just doing my job.”

The authority / spying business is now too big to be stopped. The next twenty years is pretty much already set, regardless if you’re a Hillary or Obama fanboy (sorry Hillary fans).

If you’re stopped by police, here’s what to do. Note the article may be dated depending on whatever court decision or executive order is declared in upcoming weeks.

Did you know that if you leave the country with a laptop, border agents can randomly examine and search the contents of your hard drive and download files? If you resist then they can supposedly deny you entry back into the country. I don’t know if I have the balls to find out if that’s true or not. Courts ruled this legal on the defense that the data on your computer is the same as something you’d carry in your suitcase.

“Sir the girl in this Dirty But Innocent porn clip sure looks young. Can you verify she is 18 years of age?”

I took pictures of Rio’s beaches and in one of the picture was a four-year-old boy laying on the sand. He had a speedo on like many of the adults. How about if an agent saw that picture, what would he think? I deleted the picture before I hopped on the plane home. I lose, terrorists win, etc.

Yeah I know what you’re thinking. I’m being too “paranoid.” Hey, it’s not paranoia if they’re scanning your emails and telephone calls. But who cares as long as we can fill up our cars with cheap g…

How come no one is talking of the staggering outflow of money leaving the country every month to finance a society built around the automobile? South American cities like Santiago and Rio de Janeiro put Washington DC’s public transportation to shame. Sure in Rio your chances of being robbed on a bus at night is 100 times greater, but at least there is a bus at night. The Metro is a joke with buses that come ever 30 or 40 (!) minutes on main arteries with no Sunday service.

Spend the next ten minutes of your life reading this fascinating article, by the author of a book that just came out called Reinventing Collapse. It paints the case how the collapse of the USSR will be benign compared to the US collapse. And please no “The United States will never collapse” wishful thinking. Every empire collapses (a book I’m reading now is in fact called Collapse). It probably won’t happen in our lifetimes but it will happen.

Or will it?

I have 30% of my net worth in foreign currencies, the Yen, Franc, and Krohn. The end game for every fiat currency is hyperinflation, but which currency will bust first? I’m betting it’s not Japan (this is a little arguable), Switzerland, or Norway. Are you prepared if the dollar falls through the floor and your hard-earned savings is wiped out? Most people in Argentina weren’t prepared.

The Communist party offered just one bitter pill. The two Capitalist parties offer a choice of two placebos. The latest innovation is the photo finish election, where each party buys 50% of the vote, and the result is pulled out of statistical noise, like a rabbit out of a hat.

“If voting could change anything they’d make it illegal.”

There is nothing on the horizon that gives me hope about where this country, or the world, is headed. I watch my back and believe nothing my government tells me.

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I too resent that we live in a police state which allows you to safely ride your bike home at 3:00 in the morning. We should all move to free places and be done with it. Course, we’d have to figure out the whole riding buses during the daytime only because night-time buses are raided by bandits (and the police are on the take). You went to South America as a tourist. Try going there to live.

“The checkpoint in this video was nearly 50 miles north of the Mexican border, so it would have been utterly pointless in stopping illegal immigration.

The real purpose of these checkpoints is to condition Americans to get used to the police state.”

That doesn’t even make any sense. Illegal immigrants get in trucks a few miles after they cross the border and then are driven many miles to other cities, often where they have jobs/people waiting for them. These routes they take are well known and sparsely traveled, so border patrol can set up checkpoints (50!!!) miles away from the border and still have meaningful checkpoints. Look at the number of roads going North above the I-10/I-8 line from the Mexican border through Arizona, you can almost count them on one hand (there are 6).

And is this “government conspiracy to create a police state” true with drunk driving checkpoints too? FYI, any random stop checkpoint can be set up as long as it is advertised at least a day ahead of time.

You make a lot of vague points here without backing them up: “Or will it?”. If I bought into these scare tactics I think I’d be letting the terrorists win, as you put it.

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Having lived abroad, most recently in Israel, where there is a man with a loaded automatic weapon (and a bare minimum of a high school education) at every entrance to every public doorway, I often had visions of the US heading this way, too. To the above comment, I would have to ask, isn’t it interesting to note that the most corrupt and dangerous places in the world also have the most corrupt and dangerous governments? What’s the correlation? Clearly this isn’t about one being able to ride one’s bike at 3am. This is a freedom that is a fundamental right of all human beings. Lest we forget that one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Lest we also forget the open door and democratic principles upon which this nation was founded.

Cheers.

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Yea, I mean this is all obviously a bunch of nonsense. People come here to seek your expert advice on woman and travel. Your opinion on these matters is ill informed and nobody really cares. I mean it’s your blog, so do what you want, but understand what you’re doing at least.

I think there’s a valid point in saying that if you don’t like the way things are here, effect change or move. Both are very real options. You can effect change in other ways than the ballot box. Shit, have some balls and be a subversive, militant revolutionary. Or move. You won’t do either because shit here just isn’t that bad.

DChero – you know nothing to very little about how coyotes work. You think they don’t have people scouting out the locations where the roving checkpoints are? You think they don’t know the routes to avoid? They’re just stupid little Mexicans who wander in with a hope and a prayer and cross their fingers that they hit the right road?

All this does is force illegals to walk a little farther, or spend a few extra days in a rundown motel until the checkpoint has moved. You’re clueless if you think that a checkpoint at 50 miles from the border is going to stop an illegal from coming in. It just exagerates the cat and mouse game.

These checkpoints are set up to make Americans THINK that Homeland Security is doing its job.

Rajia – As opposed to what exactly? I agree that policing a 1,969 mile border is difficult to impossible. What’s your suggestion?

The U.S. isn’t an empire, genius. This is about as informative as the 9/11 conspiracy or UFO nonsense.

As opposed to legitimate immigration reform. My point is not that we don’t need any border security. My point is that having checkpoints “for show” is a waste of money and a hassle for the legitimate American citizens and legal immigrants who are passing those roads.

I agree. President Bush and John McCain tried to pass reasonable immigration reform. Personally I support unlimited immigration, barring necessary security and background checks.

Ever been to a real police state? Not just reading about one in the Washington Post or the New York Times?

Here’s a hint to the colossal logical error in your ways: Vaclev Havel, who you might want to Wikipedia – since that’s the depth of your IR knowledge, is on the side of the ‘freedom agenda’ of this President. I, for one, don’t support said freedom agenda, but it is a stark counterexample to the road to tyranny you are enumerating.

Havel, as a moral cf. political leader, and the leadership teams of almost every country in Eastern Europe excluding Belarus (a real police state in case you were looking for an example), spent their entire lives fighting against a real police state.

You’re just defining fascism down with your lazy thinking.

Michael – absolutely agree with you, and any real capitalist, or libertarian would too.

Rajia – And I pride myself in being both.

Interestingly enough, I noticed that Roosh both supports the cause of liberty when it comes to his outcry against our so-called ‘police state’, and yet admonishes it when discussing our addiction to foreign oil, which is primarily an effect of the free market.

Are you for liberty or against it, Roosh? Or have you just not taken the time to form a coherent opinion on the issue?

Rajia, you agree with Michael about bringing down the walls of immigration. I agree with that too. But it totally disregards the drug trafficking aspect of this, which I suspect is the main (though stated as auxiliary) goal of these checkpoints.

I’m guessing you’ll probably suggest the tired “legalize drugs!!1″ argument where we exchange drug violence for higher illegal drug usage rates. Decriminalizing users is one thing, decriminalizing traffickers is another thing.

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dchero – First, I do think drugs should be legalized, and certainly that users should be decriminalized, but that’s unrealistic.

More importantly, you think the goal of the checkpoints is drug interdiction? So you think they’re smuggling hundreds of tons of narcotics via pick-up trucks and sedans? They SHIP the drugs in the trucks that carry $200 billion worth of legal Mexican exports to the US every year. Some get stopped and most don’t. This isn’t some state secret; it was in Traffic for godsakes.

So the guys smuggling Mexican ranchhands at $1800 a pop are smart enough to radio ahead to see where the checkpoints are, but the drug smugglers with millions of dollars of cargo aren’t?

I don’t have a particularly strong opionion on legalization of drugs. Small quanitities of almost all drugs are now legal in Mexico, and I wonder if its had any effect on their useage rates. Not sure if you pay attention to the crap Calderon has gotten himself into trying to shut down these cartels, but there are A LOT of dead people as a result. I’d be more inclined to support a cooperative agreement with the US-Mexican government to cut this off at the knees, as opposed to just applying pressure over the gaping wound.

Roosh, reading this makes me REALLY think you need to get out of DC A.S.A.P. Please broaden your reading lists to include more then hyper-leftist tripe. You’re a smart guy, you would enjoy getting other points of view.

what an oppressive society….traveling for 6 mos, not working, writing books about getting laid, week long excursions to vegas, and still having extra cash lying around to diversify into foreign currencies…. and living in the capitol too… nice

Oh, and if you ever watch Univision, there was a great episode of Aqui y Ahora, that delved into the corruption of border agents. You can have as many checkpoints as you want, but if you’ve got Jose from Houston working the stop, and he’s offered a stack of cash, and his parents came here illegally (so maybe he’s got a chip on his shoulder in the first place)…well, probably not much of a border agent.

There was even one border agent who was AN ILLEGAL MEXICAN that had bought papers in Chicago. He had garnered hundreds of thousands of dollars for turning a blind eye at his station. They are so desperate for people who speak Spanish that they don’t even do a decent job of background checking their applicants.

Well Roosh it looks like every single one of your commenters thinks you’re an idiot on this subject. Surely you could have seen this coming. Left-wing liberal hand wringing is beta.

Wow, there is some serious hate up in hrrrrrrr, I predict this will probably hit at least 55 comments today….

So did anyone see that Obama speech last night or what….

So why did you come back again?

Norway is definitely not going to collapse. Too much $$ there and they’ve been very smart investors

actually Collapse is not a bad title for a sequel to Bang.
in fact it could be a guide to game in a post-apocalyptic world.

Wow haterrrs of the blogosphere unite!
Roosh’s blogs have always had a libertarian strain with a deep distrust of authority and a deeper resentment for arrogance and entitlement. America these days (as in many past days) is full of a lot of all three, authority, arrogance and entitlement. Don’t paint this as lefty liberalism. I know plenty of lefty liberals who would disagree with Roosh and continue to bash the current state of affairs in similar terms.

I am not sure if Roosh has any middle ground on the mistrust of authority, I think authority is not all bad. I also hope he sees that plenty of people of all ideologies are not as arrogant and entitled as he has found in everyday America’s consumer-driven pampered lives.

I helped EFF write their (losing) amicus brief in U.S. v. Arnold, the laptop border search case. You should know that deleting your picture of that sexy little boy may not even help. In one of the other laptop border search cases, the government used a forensic program to undelete everything on a guys computer, and found (as always) child porn. United States v. Romm, 455 F.3d 990 (9th Cir. 2006).

Anyway, I agree pretty much everything you say in this post. When I actually start getting paid in four months or so, you can bet that a good chunk of it is going into foreign investments, at least until our economy collapses and I no longer have a job.

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what I mean by that is, if the USA sucks, why did you come back from your trip early?

I’m glad these guys weren’t around when we left Argentina when I was a little boy.

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Rajia, you’re saying the current policies/methods are failing, which is more than obvious, but you don’t propose anything better. That’s called Democrating.

Maybe we should just not have a border. Let’s remove all border crossings and let people come and go as they please. If that’s the argument you’re trying to make, stop beating around the bush, make the argument, and back it up.

Michael, I hate to break it to you but police “stopping some with most getting away with it” is how almost every crime is, from larceny to trafficking.

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Metro buses run on sundays.

dchero – I think Rajia and I both DID pose a solution: eliminate immigration restrictions unless security related.

I’m not sure what you’re “breaking” to me. Your point was that apparently cops stopping pick-up trucks is meant to interdict drugs. My point is that drugs are transported on 16 wheelers. Even when they get searched and the drugs are caught, it happens rarely enough that they don’t care.

if there’s gonna be an american collapse it’ll be caused primarily by two negative forces acting in concert:

mass unskilled immigration in the tens of millions from a single poor country culturally distinct from the american heritage, and
peak oil.

if you really want to see the shit hit the fan, wait until gas is $40/gal. you won’t be alone on your 3AM bike rides by then.

katcher:
I think Rajia and I both DID pose a solution: eliminate immigration restrictions unless security related.

this is why libertarians have no political power.

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Roissy – yes, because the general electorate doesn’t understand economics. I already said, it’s an unrealistic solution that would never be accepted by an unintelligent, xenophobic electorate, but it’s the correct solution. A simpler solution is amnesty and registration coupled with a path to citizenship after back-taxes and fines are paid.

It’s official now. Roosh reads reddit.

As for peak oil, it certainly won’t cause a collapse. And I’m saying this not as an unbeliever but as a true believer whose known about peak oil long before it became fashionable. It will certainly cause big, long-term changes, and possibly painful economic dislocation in the short-term, but it certainly won’t cause a collapse. There is no current use of oil that cannot be replaced. It won’t happen overnight and it won’t happen cheaply, but there’s no question that it will happen.

Michael – who pays for the unrestricted immigrants? 20 years ago Olive View Hospital (north of Los Angeles) was delivering 700+ babies per month to Mexican nationals all entering the country illegally. How many do you think that one county hospital is delivering now?

Almost all of those women stayed in Mexico until they went into labor and then drove straight from Tiajuana to the hospital. Why did they do this? Because their child was now eligible for welfare and Medicaid! It was money in their pocket. They worked our system and took their child back to Mexico. Cousin Maria (who filed for amnesty) sends them their monthly checks since they use her U.S. mailing address.

Who is supposed to pay for these kids born here simply for the money? Are you going to change the rules so they can’t get the public entitlements? What will you change the rules to?

Also, define what you mean by “security related” in your statement “Eliminate immigration restrictions unless SECURITY related”. That’s pretty vague.

What do YOU consider a security threat? Someone arrested in their own country for battery? Does it matter if it was last week versus 10 years ago? How about a convicted drug trafficer? Are they okay as long as they never pulled a gun on someone? A known member of a terrorist organization? Does it matter if they’ve been CONVICTED of a terrorist crime or just SUSPECTED of plotting to drop a dirty bomb on the DC area?

How are you going to do background checks on people who’s country doesn’t keep background information on them?!?!?!

How long of a wait for a background check do you think is reasonable? How much money should the U.S. put out per year to do background checks for these non-citizens? Should the non-citizens reimburse the U.S.?

What about those immigrants coming in with nasty diseases like SARS? Drug resistant tuberculosis? Is that consider security related? They aren’t criminals, so do you let them in regardless of what may happen?

What about the schools? Should they be required to hire only multilingual teachers so that every student from a foreign country can be spoken to in their primary language? Where will you find these wonder-instructors? Or should the regular english speaking teachers just go through the curriculum at a pace slow enough for the ESL students to understand, but that isn’t fast enough to get through any of the state standards in a school year?

How is your concept of hit and miss background checks on immigrants any different then the DEA catching only a percentage of drugs shipped on 16 wheelers from Mexico?

So now really, are you for unlimited immigration or against it, Michael? Or have you just not taken the time to form a coherent opinion on the issue?

Jeanne – Yes, now really, I am for unlimited immigration. I’m not some crazy partisan of either stripe and I do take time to consider my positions. I’m sorry to disappoint you because I can tell you’re very proud of your anecdotal diatrabe that you spent many angry minutes pounding out at your keyboard.

First, you muddle many issues all together. Your logic is, well, feminine. If migrant workers were allowed to come here under guest worker programs, that would eliminate the vast majority of the flow of illegals. That would make patrolling the border much easier. Either way, your story sounds like nonsense. How are these pregnant Mexican woman getting across the border without a passport?

As for security threats, I am no expert on the matter, so I cannot suggest specific perscriptions. I do know that somehow we’ve managed to do it so far with people from many other countries and even an imperfect system of checks is better than the complete absence of checks that currently exists for illegals.

As for education, of course we shouldn’t have multilingual teachers. My German grandfather’s teacher didn’t speak German, nor did my Russian great-grandfather’s teacher speak Russian. I see no reason to offer multilingual education and generations of immigrants have gotten by without it so I don’t really see the problem.

As for the costs of the system, again I’m not an expert on this area of policy but if the costs are low enough per person, it could be included in the application fee, and if they aren’t, well then the economic benefits to this country of immigration labor will vastly outweigh the costs.

I’ll happily go point for point with you as my workload is light today, so please don’t think that an angry, incoherent, lengthy post will beat me into admitting you’re right.

Roissy – yes, because the general electorate doesn’t understand economics.

and economists don’t understand human nature.

in the end, human nature will always beat “rational” economic theorizing.

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Roissy – I see that you have the same trouble with logic that your female commenters have, for which you berate them so often. You make a vague, unprovable statement that isn’t directly related to the discussion and try to affect an air of victory.

Economics states that immigration keeps inflation down, median population down, and provides a steady stream of younger workers to pay for the ridiculous entitlements our government offers. What part of “human nature” “beats” that rational theory?

“mass unskilled immigration in the tens of millions from a single poor country culturally distinct from the american heritage,”

Like, say, the Irish.

“and peak oil.”

Peak coal is here to stay!

“if you really want to see the shit hit the fan, wait until gas is $40/gal.”

I guess it will be a dark day when we’re all fielding Bussard reactors.

Also Roissy, the only kind of American girl who suffers much less from the sterotypical American girl problems is first generation immigrants. Most times, their parents will instill proper female values in them. Me, I went Persian, but the same is true of a hot Latina. You should be excited.

11 more people….11!!!!

Is my math bad, or is it 14 more? Well, 13 now…

If you eliminate welfare benefits, which is also part of the libertarian stance, then no one pays for the immigrants but the immigrants themselves.

Additionally, if workers were allowed to travel back and forth from Mexico, or whereever they come from, there would be no need to bring your wife and children here in the first place. Many families would prefer to live in their home country, but they do not want to spend 3, 4, 5 or 10 years apart. If an immigrant worker can travel home and return easily once every six months or a year, there would be far fewer immigrant families living here.

When the US’s borders were essentially open and immigration was unlimited(which it was up until the mid 1900s by the way) immigrants had to be tested for communicable diseases and prove they could write. That’s it.

As far as mass, low-paid, unskilled labor – that is what the market demands, and it has always demanded it. Capitalism REQUIRES it. Througout history, immigrants have come in waves from different regions providing workers in various “unskilled” arenas, from Chinese railroad workers to Irish dock workers or Italian construction workers. It’s nothing new. However, I would argue that carpenters, brick layers, welders…are not unskilled. If you can do any of those things on your own, I’d be shocked.

“Economics states that immigration keeps inflation down, median population down, and provides a steady stream of younger workers to pay for the ridiculous entitlements our government offers.”*

*citation needed

44: Intuitively, if Q_Labor increases, the price will decrease and utilization will increase.

The median age argument is simple statistics. Crowding a number of observations at the left of the median will pull the median to the left…

Finally, illegals can not draw upon social security, yet they are paying contributions into the program. I don’t believe it is more than a drop in the bucket (tens of billions cf. the lifetime legacy cost of SSI in the trillions), but it is demonstrable.

As for my previous remarks, I extend the reference to the Irish and include “Italians” and “Greeks.”

rcr – I’m not going to go trawling for a good Internet source for common economic knowledge but I’ll breakdown the basics of it real quick.

Inflation – Greater supply of workers lowers wages. Wages are the greatest driver of inflation. Hence, lots of immigration keeps inflation down.

Median Population/Younger Workers – People who immigrate are of working age and on average younger the median age in America. This is why America doesn’t have the same problems of an aging population in a welfare state that Europe has to some degree and Japan to an even greater degree.

Yes, the Greeks!

I’m so tired of hearing romantic arguments about people’s ancestors who came here legally (when there were no immigration laws, by the way) and how they all came in search of a better life, wanting to be Americans so deep down in their hearts. It’s well known that MANY MANY immgirants from Europe came with the impression that they would return to their country. Look up Birds of Passage. And they lived in dirty tenaments. They spoke their own language and covered their stores in their home country’s flags. They even had newspapers printed with their home country’s news in their home country’s language.

Face it, the majority of our ancestors were just as dirty, culturally nonintegrated, and uneducated as the mexicans who are here today.

By the way, I don’t think Mexicans are dirty…I was just stating comments I’ve heard from vehement anti-immigration people.

Ironic, Irish ‘nativists’ playing the role of Bill the Butcher today, no?

And I can’t even tell you how many illegal, overstayed my visa so I can paint houses, Irish boys are sitting in pubs in Boston’s Southie, or Sunnyside/Woodside Queens, right now. Too numerous to imagine. And they STILL live 8 to an apartment. I even knew a guy that lived in a closet under the stairs.

The argument regarding inflation seems to presuppose that there is no min. wage, whereas the argument for sustaining the older population presupposes that they are being paid above the table and thus paying into the system. Both arguments ignore very obvious externalities. Eventually the “illegals” are going to get old, and have no welfare system to support them. These arguments are poorly formed.

51 was me. I don’t know why it included the former poster’s name.

Hey, that wasn’t me (the real Rajia) posting that. Don’t be identity stealing.

Fake Rajia – Even with minimum wage, the effect exists. Jobs that would have to be paid more than minimum wage, can be brought down to minimum wage, jobs at minimum wage can be brought below minimum wage illegally, and because of these effects keeping down the cost of basic goods and services, even high wage people don’t need as much of a wage increase. I can explain any of these further if you don’t understand.

As for the second part, first of all many illegals actually DO pay into the system using fake SS numbers, second me and Rajia propose increasing legal immigration at the expense of illegal immigration which makes your point null, and finally illegal immigrants who get old don’t receive entitlement benefits so they aren’t a drag on the system.

It is you whose arguments are poorly formed. And while you’re at it, look up the word ‘externalities’. Unless that sentence has nothing to do with the rest of your post (in which case why is it there?) you used the word incorrectly.

It seems to presuppose that if you’re breaking the law (on citizenship), you/your employer won’t follow the law (on wages). Please consult James C. Wilson’s work on crime and sociology to back this one up.

As for the part about sustaining the older population, I am not necessarily following. I said that the amounts paid in by illegals were de minimus already, but that they were there. Katcher may be overstating the impact, but it does liquidify the welfare system to have inflows and no outflows.

Moreover, no politician, even the most hidebound liberal, will support the expansion of benefits to illegals as it cuts against other constituencies in the liberal coalition. The Republicans, well, you’d have better luck milking a bull then you would getting them to support aid to illegal immigrants.

That illegals will grow old (theoretically) in the US without access to the welfare net is not “unsustainable” nor an example of “externalities.” Old people don’t lead revolutions, young people do.

Finally, this all harkens back to Milton Friedman, who said to the effect that you can have a welfare state or you can have mass immigration, but you can only have one.

James Q, not James C. My apologies.

And I still maintain that an open border that would allow immigrants to return to their countries on a regular basis will actually reduce the number of immigrants who would be here into old age, as their core family unit would still be in their home country.

Whew. Long sentence. I realize it’s a blanket statement, but I can speak from direct experience.

I realize we’re dominating the comments in a somewhat obnoxious way, but Roosh, how come no response? You’re clearly passionate about it given how long your post was and I know you’re a smart guy, and everyone here arguing against you respects you as such. We’d love to hear some pushback, or at the very least validation that you’ve realized you don’t really know what you’re talking about.

I live in a border state, New Mexico. That video pissed me off. That woman is doing her job and all that dick had to say was United States and he would have been on his way. Of course the block is more inland. The immigrants walk in and are picked up by coyotes that take them to Santa Fe for Amnesty and a US drivers license.

Not only that, but people bring in drugs the same way and the border agent stop that poison from coming in.

Ridiculous, police state, stupid. A couple of middle eastern nationals got to NY unstopped with fake Visas. They imeediately hopped Grayhound to New Mexico for that lincense…the border patrol stopped them. The border patrol in El Paso Tx has stopped Arab folks with nukes on their minds. None of this would be necessary if everyone didn’t want to kill us, sell us drugs or illegally immigrate.

God this man was an idiot liberal douchehead.

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I’ve read the book Collapse by Diamond and it seems to argue that societies break down because of lack of resources or the irresponsible use of such resources. While government plays a huge role in this and i our rights and freedoms, i think it is hopeful that this country won’t collapse anytime soon once we get over our addiction to oil and keep banging on the government to maintain our freedoms. These hopes lie in a change in administration and an end to the war.

Unlimited immigration is unsustainable in a country that already flirts with socialism. I suggest reading up on a little Milton Friedman.

As this country’s demand for ethanol has grown in its quest for energy “independence”, so has the price of agriculture as more productive capacity gets used for ethanol production instead of agriculture. This is from farmers already getting subsidies from the gov’t and when Brazil offered exports of its ethanol production to the US, guess who resisted so prices wouldn’t fall?

I see a lot of manipulation in this so called free market.

And what exactly does the war have to do with our freedoms or our addiction to oil? The only way it has any effect at all is to cause oil prices to go up which speeds up our detox from oil addiction.

brian:
Like, say, the Irish.

not quite.
pop quiz time!
germans are to irish as mexicans are to irish. true or false?

I extend the reference to the Irish and include “Italians” and “Greeks.”

you can stop with the ellis island nostalgia. the basic point is this: the farther apart two groups are racially or ethnically, the harder it will be for them to work together as a cohesive and socially responsible unit. there was a harvard putnam study which showed pretty conclusively that the more diverse a society is, the less trust there is between neighbors. and in case it can’t penetrate the libertarian mind, less trust means rational economic theory breaks down as human actors become more than empty vessels adhering to rigid game theory.

while we’re at it, feel free to explain why libertarian theory isn’t lifting 4th generation mexican immigrants from the underclass as happy-clappy pie-in-the-sky assimilationists would want us to believe:

The fourth-generation Baby Boomers averaged 0.7 years less schooling than the second and third generation Mexican Americans born in the same era.

“…the educational progress of Mexican Americans does not improve over the generations. At best, given the statistical margin of error, our data show no improvement in education over the generations-since-immigration and in some cases even suggest a decline.”

link:
http://vdare.com/sailer/080601_barone.htm

libertarians, despite my personal affinity for their general freedom-loving worldview, will always fail this argument because of their one fatal flaw — they are ideologues.
and ideologues fear to go wherever the truth leads them.

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And how exactly does your neat theory on the cultural affinity of various European immigrant groups affect the assimiliation of Asian-Americans? We’ll ignore the fact that Slavs don’t really share a cultural affinity with Anglo-Saxons either.

I note that you are the one judging us by our broad political category while ignoring rational arugment. Serious people don’t dismiss an argument based on their biases of the arguer.

Finally, nice link. That looks very professional. Certainly a highly respected source. I’ve read studies that find the opposite: that Mexican-Americans do in fact assimilate. So we both win?’

You seem much better at ad hominem nonsense than actual economic discussion. Then again you’re from DC, so…

add The Shock Doctrine to your reading lists.

“you can stop with the ellis island nostalgia.”

it’s pre-nostalgia, of course. the american experiment is not finished, despite your jackbooted approach to governance. (c. VDare)

“the basic point is this: the farther apart two groups are racially or ethnically, the harder it will be for them to work together as a cohesive and socially responsible unit.”

Hmm, let’s see, your examples boil down to, basically, Yugoslavia. Not that the Balkans are unique to Europe and, for that matter, to the rest of the world.

“there was a harvard putnam study which showed pretty conclusively that the more diverse a society is, the less trust there is between neighbors.”

same logic as the ‘dutch’ in pennsylvania. but i like the fallacy of composition you’re about to make next.

“while we’re at it, feel free to explain why libertarian theory isn’t lifting 4th generation mexican immigrants from the underclass as happy-clappy pie-in-the-sky assimilationists would want us to believe:”

Firstly, cherrypicking the data for Mexicans is an impressive propaganda ploy.
Did you do the same with the Vietnamese that came here in the 1970s, etc.? Sikh exiles after 1980?

No, because you have the axe to grind and because using dirt poor Mexican immigrants, who were shit on in their own country, would yield the right results. The first taste that these people have with economic and political liberty is no more than a decade or two old and you presuppose that the entire race is worth giving up upon.

link:

Ah, VDare, which shares the same ideological worldview as StormFront. I wonder how they are doing in purifying the bloodlines. More importantly, what does it say when you are carrying their water? A little helpful thought exercise: despite Roosh being Iranian, do you think they would let his family in? If not, why?

“libertarians, despite my personal affinity for their general freedom-loving worldview, will always fail this argument because of their one fatal flaw — they are ideologues.”

Not a pragmatist in the bunch.

Crazy them. I mean it’s not like the Framers were ideologues.

“and ideologues fear to go wherever the truth leads them.”

Obviously. I appreciate your reference to the truth as if you have a monopoly on it, or alternately, that you have the capability of interpreting it. Let me guess: UChicago AB Philosophy? It sounds it.

Damn – I was sure that we could get to 55 comments too.

Roosh asks a good question – Are you prepared if the dollar falls through the floor and your hard-earned savings is wiped out? Most people in Argentina weren’t prepared.

I always assumed that some privileged people in Argentina actually made money on the fall. My goal is to get as rich as possible and weather the storm and buy my way into the next superpower. The king is dead, long live the king!!!

Ah, perfect. I didn’t know VDare’s reputation. Did Roissy really quote a website that supports purifying bloodlines to make his point about immigrants? And I suppose a female commenter arguing with you on your site should feel free to quote NOW now?

That was me in #68.

UL – The dollar is just fine. It’s already hit it’s cyclical bottom. Core inflation is tame. Immigrants will keep labor costs from spiraling upwards. Everything is fine. Panic is always worst at the bottom.

the good thing about not having a job or car, and living at home, is not much changes when the S hits the fan economically…. seriously.

I didn’t know VDare’s reputation.

steve sailer is the guy i read through vdare. his prediction of the fubar’ed aftermath of the iraq war was spot on. google “sailer cousin marriage”.
nonetheless, feel free to hide behind the comfort of smear tactics to escape the facts i beat you about the head with.

Did Roissy really quote a website that supports purifying bloodlines to make his point about immigrants?

you mean like JDate?

And I suppose a female commenter arguing with you on your site should feel free to quote NOW now?

she’d be more than welcome. and i’ll welcome myself to tearing it to shreds if it’s garbage.

thought experiment for the open borders moralizers:

if it’s the right thing to do for the US to let in millions of people from culturally distant countries in the name of diversity and economic growth, why aren’t you clamoring for the “xenophobic” janpanese or chinese to let in millions of europeans or polynesians?
because i’ll tell you this: 100 million europeans will sure as shit change the lovely local flavor of japan into something not at all japanese. as a true believer in human diversity, i think that would be a bad thing.

ps: my great grandparents were all immigrants. the logic does not follow that this automatically means i must be against any immigration restrictions.
hope this helps.

roissy’s last blog post: Why I Love Abortion.

just painfully embarrassing the economic illiteracy that is put out by this blog. It especially pains me because i agree in principal with Roosh on many things.

ps…who gives a fuck about empire other than a few dc power structure hanger’s on. Since the british empire collapsed the quality of life for the average briton is infinitely better.

I’ll start with the last cause it’s the stupidest. I don’t ‘clamor’ for the xenophobic janpanese (sic) to open their borders because that would make them more powerful which runs counter to US strategic interests. If I was Japanese I would clamor for it because it’s the only way they’ll ever be able to survive demographically. But instead I am an American and I want to preserve our long-term strategic advantage over all our rivals, which is demographic.

Hah, and I love how the definition of credibility has somehow been dumbed down to predicted the occupation of Iraq who be bad.

Going On
I’ve seen it with my own eyes
How we’re gettin’ otherwise
Without the luxury of leavin’
The touch and feeling of free is
Untangible technically
Something you’ve got to believe in
Connect the cause and effect
One foot in front of the next
This is the start of a journey.
And my mind is already gone
And though there are other unknowns
Somehow this doesn’t concern me.

And you can stand right there if you want
But I’m going on
And I’m prepared to go it alone
I’m going on
To a place in the sun that’s nice and warm
I’m going on
And I’m sure they’ll have a place for you too oohoohoo

Anyone that needs what they want, and doesn’t want what they need
I want nothing to do with
And to do what I want
And to do what I please
Is first of my to-do list
But every once in a while I think about her smile
One of the few things I do miss
But baby I‘ve to go
Baby I’ve got to know
Baby I’ve got to prove it

And I’ll see you when you get there
But I’m going on
And I’m prepared to go it alone
I’m going on
May my love lift you up to the place you belong
I’m going on
And I promise I’ll be waiting for you oohoohoo

WHOA- what the hell happened in here

raja,

Immigration to the U.S. (post-nation state) has never been unlimited. The first test for congressional authority to control the borders was the Chinese Exclusion cases in the early 1800′s. If anything, congroess’s power to enact immigration legislation was virtually unlimited until the mid-1900s.

Holy shit this comment section blew up. I feel like I missed something.

Michael Katcher: I agree with you on the open borders for immigration. The American people have fears of the negative economic impact of immigrants. You, and other prominent economists, suggest otherwise. I’m not informed enough to have a strong opinion either way, but I would love to see some hard numbers on the issue.

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I say we nuke those Commie bastards!

dchero – Hard numbers are impossible to come by. Or rather, I could come up with hard numbers to make whichever case I felt ideologically predisposed to make.

You can think of it like a Walmart coming to a medium-sized town. The obvious downside is a couple Mom and Pop stores go out of business. That’s a very obvious effect and for the people it affects it is a very serious effect. The not-so-obvious upside is that every single other person in the town has had their cost of living dramatically lowered while at the same time the Walmart has created more jobs than have been lost.

Similar is car industry. The Detroit auto workers who lose their jobs are very vocal about that fact and the newspapers cover it a lot because sob stories make good press. What is less vocal but far more important is how much cheaper everyone’s cars are as a result of the increased competition from foreign auto makers.

If you’re a farmhand or a meatpacking worker or a landscaper, you might not like that you have so much competition for your work and thus that your salary is going down. But for every one of those workers there are a hundred or a thousand other Americans that benefit from reduced prices that results. Not to mention the fact that those displaced workers are able to find new jobs because this is America and unemployment is only 5% during a so-called “recession”.

Immigration laws passed prior to the 1920s were all strictly racist, exclusionary laws. If you were Irish or Italian or French or British (read WHITE) in the 1920s, it was essentially open. After that period, immigration laws were very racially biased and intended to keep out non-white europeans and asians. Perhaps “mid” 1900s is not the correct word, but for the first 150 years of this country’s existence(the period in which most of our ancestors came here) immigration was for all intents and purposes, an unlimited process.

As for integration into society, it is much easier for a second/third generation Italian or Irish to blend into society because they LOOK like they “belong” here. A second/third generation Mexican (or other hispanic) American is going to face the same discrimination and xenophobic barriers as his ancestors…because he still looks Mexican. This has the impact of leaving generations of estranged youth who do not feel a part of this country because they are not accepted. It also was quite common for second generation Irish or Italian to form violent gangs, and be involved in drug or alcohol trade. Hello…Mafia anyone? Whitey Bulger ring a bell? But somehow we romanticize the Mafia?

And FYI the Chinese Exclusion act was passed in 1882, not the early 1800s.

Michael Katcher : you have no more long-term strategic advantage over other countries. Bush fucked that one up. Hope you’ve enjoyed paying for the war, allowing the economy to flop and letting China and India become world players.

Yes. The strategic advantage of the greatest hegemon the world has ever seen has been overturned by one man in eight years. We’ve had seven years of economic expansion and this cycle will bottom with at worst a mild two quarter recession. China and India are fucked by peak oil. China has a demographic nightmare on its hands. Your post is a joke; an utterly mindless regurgitation of the worst of the left-wing media and blogosphere. You show a complete lack of rational analysis, offer no evidence, and add nothing that has not already been said. You are, in a word, dumb.

Late to the party, but has anyone seen this site before?

http://www.immigrationcounters.com/

For those of you who want to tear apart its sources, there is a link on the right-hand side.

My personal opinion is that if you’re in this country illegally, then you shouldn’t be here — period. Crying for amnesty, anchor-babies, close relatives, employment in a job nobody wants, etc… does not change this simple fact. I’m all for wanting a better life for your family. Indeed America is still a land of opportunity, but you have to come here legally in order to take advantage of it.

Jay – So if you could magically deport every illegal, would you? You don’t think there’d be an inflationary effect with losing twenty million workers overnight? Yes, I agree, ideally they wouldn’t be here illegally. Ideally they could come here legally. But they can’t. So would you rather have economic decline or illegal immigrants?

Rajia

“When the US’s borders were essentially open and immigration was unlimited(which it was up until the mid 1900s by the way. . .”

Did you not write that? So I merely pointed out that’s not true. Prior to Henderson v. Mayor and of New York (1976) and the Passenger cases, immigration controls certainly did exist, but they were left up to the states, not to the federal government. I have a stupid 1,300 page immigration and refugee law and policy book if you want to read it. I certainly never do again.

The Alien Tort Act, 1798, permitted the President the power to deport dangerous aliens. However, no one was ever deported under the Act, and it wasn’t very popular anyway.

By the way, the above comment is not a opinion on immigration, so please only respond to it if you think my facts are wrong.

Oop, I meant to say 1876, not 1976. Obviously I am not to be trusted.

Well if your facts are as good as saying that the Chinese Exclusion act was passed in the early 1800s, which was later determined to be unconstitutional by the way, I’m not so sure they’re useful.

For all intents and purposes, which I stated, up until the 1920s, immigration was open and limitless. I would not count 1920s as early 1900s, but I concede they’re not quite mid either. Can you produce a list, or even the number of, people attempting to immigrate who were turned away at the border, with the exception of the Chinese?

By the mid 1800s, one quarter of the Irish population had moved to the US. In a ten year span in the early 1900s, over 2 million Italians migrated to the US. That’s massive! And yet we didn’t fail, we actually prospered.

The problem is not that we have illegal immigration, the problem is that we have too many social services.

I haven’t had power since last night. Stuck in Panera with 8 other geeks sharing the same outlet. My response will come postehaste.

Rajia,

You are right that between 1776-1875 there was an open frontier with few controls. You know what, let me just rewrite verbatim what the old law book says about pre and post federal legistlative controls:

Pre-1875 “Even during this period of tolerance the policy favoring immigration was no reason unopposed. From the earliest days there were groups counseling restriction. As immigration continued to increase these groups gained adherents, and they were most potent during times of economic depression. Some of the states were disturbed at the influx of immigrants and sought to impose local controls from time to time.”

1875-1917: Institution of Federal Controls on Immigration

Continued demand for federal action finally resulted in legislation. An 1875 statue barring convicts and prostitutes was quickly followed by the adoption of the first immigration statute in 1882. The 1882 Act imposed a head tax of 50 cents and excluded idoits, lunatics, convicts, and persons likely to become a public charge. Another important facet of immigration policy until it was repealed in 1943.

In 1885 and 1887, Congress passed the contract labor laws, aimed at the practice of importing cheap foreign labor under labor contracts which depressed the labor market in the United States.”

Blah blah blah….

“In the first decade of the 20th century there was a vast increase in immigration, more than doubling the previous decades arrivals. During 4 years of this decade annual immigration exceeded a million. In addition, the new immigrants were predominantly from southern and eastern Europe, instead of the previous migrations from northern Europe. The antagonisms ehich previously had been directed against the Irish-Catholic and Germans were transferred to this ‘new’ immigration. The vast tide of immigration created uneasiness, which was accentuated during periods of economic crisis. The demand for further restrictions increased.”

Michael 86 — I would like there to be a slow and steady enforcement of immigration laws, far beyond what is currently being done. This would not result in an immediate deportation of 20 million illegal workers. To the contrary, it would be a trickle of deportations. More importantly, doing so would send a message to those that intend to immigrate illegally not to do so. Would strong enforcement of immigration laws affect our economy? Perhaps, but nowhere near to the extent that those advocating blanket amnesty would assert.

Indeed, if we extend the logic of blanket amnesty or pity for those seeking a better life to their extreme, we might as well have no laws at all. We enforce criminal laws to protect life, liberty and property. The same goes for immigration.

As far as the Chinese Exclusion cases, neither Chae Chan Ping v. United States, and Fong Yue Ting v. United States (deportation case) were found unconstitutional, and Fong Yue is technically still good law insofar as it holds that international law permits deportation of even lawfully admitted immigrants. However, under the Equal Protection clause, it is doubtful congress could pass a law aimed at a specific group of nationals. Look, as I said, I’m not giving my opinion.

Yeah, but how is any of this going to help me bang girls?

Roosh–I demand a new post about how evil women are and ways I can pump and dump them immediately.

all of that is coming up in Roosh’s post-apocalyptic new book:

28 Bangs Later

#93 – Your logic is faulty. The idea behind blanket amnesty combined with immigration reform is to admit that the rules were poorly designed and poorly executed and rather than hurt ourselves by deporting people who are helping us, we offer them amnesty but change the rules so they are smarter and more enforceable.

That has nothing to do with “all laws”. Murder or larceny are not beneficial to society so offering amnesty wouldn’t make sense. Immigration is beneficial so offering amnesty makes sense. I don’t understand? I thought people in DC were smart. But then performance is rewarded over bullshit at my job so I guess my expectations are skewed.

Michael 97 — immigration may be beneficial, but illegal immigration is not. This is why we have immigration laws. All I’m advocating is that they be enforced like any other law.

Some laws are wrong, that’s why our statutes are an ever changing body of work. Every year, hundreds upon thousands of statutes are codified that change law. By offering amnesty, or opening borders, you are changing the law and making illegal immigration disappear. Therefore, no longer illegal.

JG – Illegal immigration is actually more beneficial than legal immigration. Illegal immigrants will do work for less than minimum wage, keeping prices lower. Illegal immigrants offer use fake SS#s, so they pay into the system without hope of collecting. Illegal immigrants cannot collect the ridiculous entitlements that our government hands out. We have immigration laws because of xenophobia and trade protection.

Google “Zeitgeist the movie”

Take two hours out of your lives. Helps explain a lot. Nothing is by accident.

96 todd h.
all of that is coming up in Roosh’s post-apocalyptic new book: 28 Bangs Later

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Google “Zeitgeist the movie”

Sean, I watched that movie and I liked it before I found out how many errors there are in it. I’d suggest anyone that watches it do the same.

It’s definitely worth watching though, it does point out some interesting coincidences. Don’t confuse coincidence with reality though, you will forever be disappointed with the truth if you do so.

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geez, am i that oblivious? how do you guys know any of this? do you spend your free time looking at google earth or the policies in place?

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some of us read roosh’s book, so we can bang economists, professors, and doctors… and learn all kinds of interesting stuff from them as a bonus

The problem with open flowing immigration is that public resources get overwhelmed.

You can’t have a influx of low level labor drownd a city. Go to Miami. Go to South Texas. Check out Southern California.

The strain is overwhelming. I’m a liberal. Bleeding heart Dem. But you can’t just open up the borders and allow the whole world to walk in. It would sink the local infurstructure. The clog the hospital emergency room. They overwhelm the school system.. The put enormous pressure on state social services.

Its like these business entities just think Jose shows up in December to help pick oranges and then leaves. Nah. Jose gets sick and doesn’t have health insurance. Jose’s kids need to go to school. Jose needs to get around so he drives a car on the road. Ever been to Miami?? Its a freakin cluster fuck. Ever been to Houston, Galveston etc..

Hospitals are literally suing the feds for lost revenue.

I don’t know how this conversation got on immigration but i just moved some more money out of the dollar.

I expect president obama to give the dollar a boost at the end of the year, but in the long run….

http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-08-02-deficit-usat_x.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/7566052

European Central Bank may raise interest rates this year pushed down the U.S. dollar.

Most of you have jobs with fresh money coming in every two weeks, but when your money pile is not changing in absolute terms but everything is going up and a vacation one year ago is much cheaper than now, you realize how much you’re getting screwed and are more likely to do something to protect yourself.

Core inflation is tame

you mean when you don’t count gas and food? so you listen to the BLS instead of stepping outside your house?

Roosh – Just curious, do you have any academic or professional background in economics or finance?

I only ask because while you can certainly debate whether or not core or headline is more important, if you’re just assuming headline is more important because that’s what the NYTimes or the Post says, well then you’re not very informed.

The reason why it’s a valid opinion to only look at core is because gas and food account for a very small portion of the average American’s spending (something like 7-10% but I don’t have those statistics in front of me).

More importantly, central banks have to worry about inflation they can control and ignore inflation they can’t. If gas and food is going up because of peak oil and the rapid rise in living standards in the developing world, raising interest rates won’t quell that demand. People still have to eat and drive and that’s that. However, if the rise in those two prices starts to feed into the general economy because of a lax monetary policy (i.e. demand is strong relative to supply and thus companies can pass their higher energy costs on to consumers) then higher interest rates can reign in that demand and help take inflation out of the system.

I can talk more about the dollar as well if you’d like but frankly it seems like all of this is a waste of time. Based on your 3:2 animated smiley face-to-sentence ratio, you’re clearly less interested in facts, logic and debate than in snarky argument and scoring “points”. That’s cool, it’s your blog, but it kind of defeats the point.

Haha, I just noticed this:

“I expect president obama to give the dollar a boost at the end of the year”

Is he going to lower the price of oil too? Are you an idiot? The President is going to lower the dollar? What, by magic? Some sort of executive order? Is he going to fellate Bernanke in exchange for higher interest rates? Is he going to cut spending? Seriously, stick with girls. You don’t know shit about the economy.

Michael Katcher you’ve set yourself up a pretty much a hopeless task. The gap in Roosh’s econ knowledge is so vast that you’re not going to be able to get him up to speed.

For the others, here’s a short and very good explanation of why the Fed should NOT base monetary policy on headline CPI.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/02/opinion/02krugman.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Plenty of harsh words going around.
Why does someone’s contrasting opinion necessarily have to be ‘uninformed’ or the person issuing the opinion ‘uneducated’? Though formal education is a good indication of the intelligence of the speaker, it doesn’t mean everything. Our president has an MBA from Harvard…
Also, how is it unfeasible that a president’s policies could give the dollar a boost? Anyone observing any Forex resource floating around on the internet could witness how various currencies are impacted just by some leader (be it president, or Fed Chairman) saying a few positive/negative things. (forexfactory.com)

Arthur – I tried to specifically point out in some of my above comments that a contrasting opinion isn’t necessarily ‘uninformed’. However if it’s a parrot of a newspaper article without understanding the underlying issues, then it is. I’m always happy to hear a contrasting opinion, but Roosh makes it clear that he doesn’t understand the issues at hand.

As for the dollar boost, first of all Bush will be president at the end of the year, and regardless Obama will institute policies that are not pro-growth (higher spending, higher taxes, higher trade barriers) so while he may have an effect on our currency it will be down not up. Finally, of course a Fed Chairman can impact the currency because he controls it’s cost. I specifically made the distinction between President and Fed Chairman.

And on a side note, an MBA is a MANAGEMENT degree (aka a joke degree), not an economics degree, although I see your point and agree with it.

Michael – well, little cubicle man. You must be quite the go to boy at work. I’m stunned that your employer does not realize what a gem you are and give you enough work so you don’t have time to post comments to this blog 20+ times in one work day.

So the problem with your naive amnesty plan is that not all illegal aliens want to be registered. California had an amnesty plan 20 years ago. A small percentage of illegal aliens made use of it. Not the 100% you imagine in your la-la- land.

There is no incentive to voluntarily register and pay taxes when they currently work for cash.

Illegals DO benefit from government entitlements. Any hospital with an emergency room MUST treat and stabilize any patient with medical emergencies. They can not turn someone away because he is an illegal alien or does not have the ability to pay. Go to the CDC website and look up the statistics for how many babies are born to illegal aliens. You can even obtain data by hospital and see which public/county hospitals are providing care to illegal aliens.

Additionally, if incarcerated, illegal aliens are cared for by the government. The feds have the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program in place to try and help subsidize the huge cost of housing, feeding, educating and providing healthcare to incarcerated aliens.

Educationally, school districts are required to educate illegal aliens through secondary school. Again the aliens are benefitting without contributing.

Of course, they also drive on our roads, benefit from our water and sewage systems, etc.

So smart boy, do you think you have more experience than Alan Greenspan? Greenspan is not for unlimited immigration.
Actually he is for increasing the immigration of SKILLED aliens only. If jobs are outsourced to them anyway, might as well bring them to this country, have them spend the money here and reduce the discrepancy in pay between skilled and unskilled workers.

How many months have you been off of mummy and daddy’s financial aid? Yes American’s spend money on a lot of things besides food. But food is a NECESSITY. Plasma screen tvs, Starbuck mocha frappucinos and a PS3 are not necessities. They are discretionary spending and can be eliminated. So if you were living in reality, you would be concerned with the price of food going up and not placated by the fact that your Wii games still sell for $49.99 at Target.

Side note: Are you a man or a woman? Cause from your numerous catty comments, I was sure you were a woman. We’ve got bets going on this and on how many posts a day you’re going to make.

Excellent snark. Impressive. It’s the last provence of a fool.

I’ll skip the immigration stuff. There are smart, informed people on both sides of the divide, and besides it’s lunch time.

I’ll also skip responding to your ad hominem attacks. They’re mostly accurate and also irrelevant. It reminds me of when Hillary wanted to suspend the gas tax and when told that no economist thought it made any sense her response was along the lines of “well economists are rich, so they can’t appreciate the poor person’s situation.”

The constant deflation of the kinds of things most poor people buy aside from food and gas (cheap clothes, cheap furniture, cheap housing, etc.) means that many of these price rises are offset. More importantly, when things you have to buy go up in price (gas/food), you have less money to spend on discretionary spending, so it’s actually deflationary because, as you noted, demand goes down.

Jeanne, you ignorant slut. The percentage of income in the U.S. spent on food is around 10%. So what if food price inflation is 10% for one or two years…that means that people will spend 1 or 2% more a year for food. Big whoop. Now if you are a peasant in China or Latin America, yeah, you’re getting fucked. But if you live in the U.S. it’s not a pressing problem.

ps…most of the inflationary pressure in food prices have been caused by the gubmint’s lame ass ethanol policy.

there would be fewer incarcerated illegal aliens if they didn’t get thrown in jail for not having driver’s licenses, which they can’t get because they are illegal.

if an illegal is no longer illegal, they can work “on the books” and receive and pay into benefits, meaning they will become a part of the system as opposed to benefiting from it.

i wonder how many illegal aliens you know Jeanne. It’s easy to talk about what you think, or mass media thinks, they are here for or want. have you actually ever talked to one yourself?

and you’re crazy if you think companies are all of a sudden going to stop outsourcing because there are more skilled visas available. the whole point of outsourcing is to pay LOWER THAN US WAGES. if you bring an immigrant here, you can’t pay him less just because he’s from india.

Wow, what an awesome thread. I am going to get a caramel frappucino, fire up the iTunes, break out the browser on the Wii and put this one up on the big plasma television I bought with my tax rebate check from Costco. My mom lets me keep my stuff in the basement, at least until the foreclosure becomes final. I am doing contract work for one of the big area consultants out in Tysons. I should get a job offer at the end of the summer according to my boss, they need more analyst for the change in administration they expect. I know the economy sucks now, but things get better, they always do.

I mean the election of obama will give the world some confidence about the united states and the excitement will give a boost to the dollar in that way. Only ron paul as president would enact or push policies that strengthen the dollar. in fact i havent heard obama talk about his “strong dollar” policies.

What’s Tysons?

“things get better, they always do”

Tell that to the vikings

Roosh,

Your psychology stuff is great, but this post just comes across as weird. I think you should check out the front page article in this current edition of Foreign Affairs

John Smith’s last blog post: immigration delusions.