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Sadly, the part about your early prospects being ghastly is also true. A lot of guys (including myself) get into game to get the 9s and 10s and failing at that, lose all motivation to go out and approach the ghastly and the beastly. Or they think that 5s are “easier” than 10s, and thus not worth the challenge. But the truth is that when you have no Game the 5s are PLENTY hard enough.

But a PUA I respect put it this way, “Everyone who gets good starts out succeeding with the 4s and 5s first, and then works their way up to the 9s and 10s.” It’s an ugly truth about Game that almost no PUA guru will tell you.

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The moment I left this “pick up” paradigm was when I met guys who were getting laid with many hotter girls, much more often and with no effort or work involved.

What I’m getting at…

If you have to do x aproaches to get y numbers which turn into z closes… Have you actually ever calculated the effort/time (skill) involved in that and how much one good-lay is costing you?

Have you ever considered that if you had invested all that time in building something (say a band) you’d be a minor rockstar by now?

One guy I know who gets laid without ever doing pick up, owns a modelling agency and is always hopping from one show/event to another. This other guy is a dance instructor so he spends most of his time at events with like 300 cute female dancers and he’s the only guy. Do you think he does the whole xyz thing? Nope, he just picks one of the 100 girls who are hitting on HIM that week.

So why not build up the lifestyle where you don’t even have to deal with xyz?

Yep’s last blog post: 7 ways to Attract women (even non-fugly ones!).

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Might want to re-check the old grammar before posting…

I would loove to go on a date with you.

You’re right, no need to argue.

I just prefer the advice – maintain eye contact – more than the theory I guess.

This post may not be a groundbreaking revelation, but certainly a good reminder of what we need to be doing. It reminds me of the challenges I have when trying to take good photographs. I have to take 100 just to have 10 that I really, really like. As I become better, maybe that number will get to 10 great shots for every 40.

Good post, thanks for the reminder.

“we can’t remember all of this in a pickup”

what’s to remember? just try maintaining eye contact in your day to day activities. it isn’t hard at all, and you’ll notice the world looks totally different when you’re not looking at the ground all the time…

i’m by nature an introvert, and have gotten more mileage out of this one simple technique than I could have ever imagined

as for “taking shots in the dark” regarding the evolutionary biological underpinnings of behavior—you could not be farther from the truth—this is not conjecture but substantiated fact proven though rigorous scientific analysis and extensive studies of both animals and humans

that having been said, i don’t wish to engage you, or anyone else, for that matter, in a senseless online argument in this forum. I enjoy reading the Roosh content, and find it both entertaining, and helpful, and do enjoy making a comment from time to time. best of luck to all in your dating endeavors.

I agree with Abe to a certain extent. We need to be more realistic about what’s possible for the average male to achieve with Roosh’s or any other guru’s methods. I also agree that just finding a good girl would probably maximize our happiness over time instead of chasing new sexual partners endlessly.

But even if a man is looking for just one reasonably good – looking, loyal woman, he’s going to need to be able to approach and play the dating/pickup game to a certain extent. There’s no denying it – a good woman is simply not going to land in our laps. So Roosh’s work here is still needed IMO.

I had a good girl once. I dated her for five years. I lost her (or I should say – gave her away) because I got wrapped up in the pickup game – I wanted more sexual variety. I thought it would be more fun and exciting and fresh. Even when I was sleeping with 2 or 3 girls regularly, I honestly was happier with my main girl. Just an average, 7ish girl (on a 10 scale) who took care of me and I loved dearly.

I guess what I mean is, I think Roosh’s lifestyle may be fun, but for me, life is better when the girl is giving you sex whenever and however you want it AND she’s actually a good friend of yours.

To Female Body Inspector:

I know you don’t mean any harm, but honestly, evolutionary theory is something that’s thrown around the pickup industry but offers little true value.

I don’t think it’s helpful to the average guy trying to get better with women because it’s simply not practical – we can’t remember all of this in a pickup. And it may try to explain things, but all of us know that shyness/submissiveness when you’re trying to lead an interaction your way is less helpful than a friendly, assertive (so both parties know where the dynamic is heading and if she doesn’t like it, you can move on quickly) demeanor. Do we really need to take shots in the dark as to the biological reasons behind these things?

So much talk of alpha this, beta that, etc…. sigh.

Suffice it to say that when you’re comfortable and in a good mood, you will automatically start to exhibit more attractive behavior than you would being nervous, and let’s all get out there and become more comfortable through practice.

Abe,

As humans, we have evolved to the point where we are largely able to overcome the constraints of our genetics and evolutionary biological, instinctual “programming.” An example: maintenance of eye contact is a marker of dominance both in humans and in lions. When a weaker lion locks eyes with a stronger one, the one who is less dominant automatically averts his gaze. Humans, on the other hand, since we UNDERSTAND that maintenance of eye contact is a marker of dominance, can WILL ourselves to maintain eye contact in various situations, even though our instinctual pull might be to avert our gaze. Over time, and with proper training, we can most definitely change the dominance dynamic in social situation precisely because we have reached a point where we have a better understanding of how this dynamic operates. The world you are describing is best suited to lions, or the lesser primates, where genetics and evolutionary biological instincts do indeed predominate. One need only look at the fact that many, if not most, presidents, CEOs, and others in positions of power and leadership are not the most physically-dominant members of our species for negation of your point. Of course, natural gifts of both athleticism and intellect exist, but learning and persistence can do wonders where there is a deficit in either…

It is a numbers game because there is no way it couldn’t be. And I think if you could bang every girl you attempted to hit on, you would probably want to raise your standards. Going out is fun anyways, you shouldn’t really be too concerned about the numbers. If this is stressing you out then you’re in the wrong mindframe….

Tyler’s last blog post: Monday’s Date (Part 2).

and i dont mean being the guys who are rock stars, or very wealthy

isnt there a point in which your game becomes so tight, that you dont have to run the numbers game,you dont have to exude so much effort, you just make the most of every oppurtunity count? And that by being completely honest and upfront about your intentions is the best way to go?

What if your “all I had to do was try!” story is fundamentally false and you are successful with women because of natural charm/other personality endowments? Do you know how much misery you’re spreading around by planting in many desperate men the hope that they can do what you frequently do by just trying?