The War Against Beauty

Beauty is an excellent book by Roger Scruton that offers a philosophical justification for seeking, desiring, and celebrating beauty.

…beauty demands to be noticed; it speaks to us directly like the voice of an intimate friend. If there are people who are indifferent to beauty, then it is surely because they do not perceive it.

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Beauty, I argue, is a real and universal value, one anchored in our rational nature, and the sense of beauty has an indispensable part to play in shaping the human world.

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Only creatures like us—with language, self-consciousness, practical reason, and moral judgement—can look on the world in this alert and disinterested way, so as to seize on the presented object and take pleasure in it.

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…people associate beauty with their highest endeavours and aspirations, are disturbed by its absence, and regard a measure of aesthetic agreement as essential for life in society.

Beauty is an interesting quality in that we pursue it “for its own sake,” with no additional justification. An object is beautiful if you can enjoy it solely for its beauty. If someone asks you why you like a woman and you say because she is beautiful, other reasons are not sought. The person will not ask, “And what other qualities does she have that makes her worthy?”

Beauty, in a person, prompts desire.

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Although there may be fashions in human beauty, and although different cultures may embellish the body in different ways, the eyes, mouth and hands have a universal appeal. For they are the features from which the soul of another shines on us, and makes itself known.

Beauty is not only important for human forms:

There is an aesthetic minimalism exemplified by laying the table, tidying your room, designing a web-site… you want the table, the room or the web-site to look right, and looking right matters in the way that beauty generally matters—not by pleasing the eye only, but by conveying meanings and values which have weight for you and which you are consciously putting on display.

Only through aesthetics can you properly answer “Does that look right?” This is not something you can learn by reading Jezebel but through appreciation and thinking of the aesthetic over a period of time. It also conveys value—even moral value—and is perceived by others whether you like it or not. It’s a shame if you have a glandular problem that causes you to weigh 500 pounds, and it’s possible your inner beauty is ravishing (though I doubt it), but your outward appearance will pass judgement on your character and worth. Beauty is “part of the context in which we live our lives, and our desire for harmony, fittingness and civility is both expressed and confirmed in them.”

Should we unapologetically pursue beauty?

People who are always in praise and pursuit of the beautiful are an embarrassment, like people who make a constant display of their religious faith. Somehow, we feel, such things should be kept for our exalted moments, and not paraded in company, or allowed to spill out over dinner.

But at the same time we must not ignore it:

However, many people seem to live in an aesthetic vacuum, filling their days with utilitarian calculations, and with no sense that they are missing out on the higher life.

Scruton does not give us guidance on how much of the aesthetic must be pursued, but warns how the desire for beauty can never be entirely satisfied:

Wanting something for its beauty is wanting it, not wanting to do something with it.

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Here is a want without a goal: a desire that cannot be fulfilled since there is nothing that would count as its fulfilment.

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But what can you do with another person’s beauty? The satisfied lover is as little able to possess the beauty of his beloved as the one who hopelessly observes it from afar.

By having sex with a beautiful girl, your desire for beauty is satisfied but only momentarily, because there is nothing about her beauty that you can possess. You can’t take it from her. You only feel the presence or power of her beauty for a brief period of time.

At times Scruton raises more questions than answers. Why is a man’s desire stronger for beautiful women? It’s surely not a conscious decision. Even when the lights are off in the bedroom and aesthetic representations are minimized, you still get more pleasure from the beautiful girl than an ugly girl. This difference in pleasure perception can’t be avoided.

Evolutionary psychologists say we desire beauty because mating with a beautiful woman will yield beautiful children who will have an easier time of mating themselves. Thus beauty denotes fitness and health. But again, what exactly is the process of associating a beautiful face with health—or rather—how did the relationship between fitness and beauty come about? Why has nature created this link?

Does a woman with a large nose not have the same survivability as someone with a perfect button nose? Does a man whose height is 5’3 not have the same ability to live to be 100 as the man who is 6’3? We all understand what beauty preferences humans have, but they persist in a time where it makes little evolutionary sense, leading to backwards rationalizations by evolutionary psychologists that gives answers only because the final result is known.

In spite of a consistent beauty preference, a man will still have sex with women who don’t possess beauty. Why do we engage in “dumpster diving” for the sole sake of sex? Did our ancestors have fuck buddies they didn’t want to impregnate until they found their dream girl? At the same time, why are we willing to jump through hoops to be with a girl who is just a little more beautiful than the last? We do we put work into a fleeting sexual episode with a beautiful girl whose beauty we cannot possess, with sexual satisfaction that begins to fleet as soon as the orgasm is achieved, and who we don’t even want to impregnate?

My pleasure in beauty is therefore like a gift offered to the object, which is in turn a gift offered to me.

To understand the desire for beauty, I suspect we have to look at those who gave up on seeking it and are reproducing with ugly people. What had to happen for them to forgo the aesthetic? I suspect there is a switch in the brain which tells you whether to go for beauty or not, a sort of protection mechanism that ensures you reproduce with someone. I hypothesize the switch is based on your environment, where your subsconscious knows your sexual market value more than you do and thus determines your mating behavior.

If an ugly woman who has only dated ugly men becomes beautiful through advanced plastic surgery, how long will it take for her to adjust to the more handsome men pursuing her and notice aesthetic traits that she never appreciated before? How long until she becomes an expert at gaining affections of attractive men and extracting what she needs from them?

If an ugly man who has only known ugly women moves to a country with a surplus of beautiful women, how long will it take him to raise his standards and pursue—no, demand—an aesthetically pleasing woman? If you put him back into an unfavorable environment, and his sex life hangs in the balance, the switch will flick back and he will have sex with ugly women again.

The desire for beauty by humans therefore exists on separate order than reproduction. If you are unable to get beauty, you will still pursue sex and get it. But if you are able to get beauty, an ability known to your subconscious based on your environment and micro-responses from the opposite sex, you will pursue it with vigor.

Of course not all beauty is linked to the sexual, and Scruton takes considerable time examining its meaning in other areas.

There is hardly a person alive who is not moved by the beauty of the perfectly formed child. Yet most people are horrified by the thought that this beauty should be a spur to desire, other than the desire to cuddle and comfort. Every hint of arousal is, in these circumstances, a transgression. And yet the beauty of a child is of the same kind as the beauty of a desirable adult, and totally unlike the beauty of an aged face, which has emerged, as it were, from a life of moral trials.

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In seeing something as an ‘end in itself’, I immortalize it, lift it out of the world of practical concerns, mystify its connection to society.

Societies which have a principal pursuit of money tend to produce a grotesque aesthetic of status, social climbing, blind technological advancement, and fame. In such an aesthetic vacuum where beauty exists in only small amounts, the most minor of beauty is honored as godly, the most mediocre of female celebrities—even ones approaching middle age—are seen as perfections sculpted by the hands of Michelangelo himself.

40 year old woman proclaimed world’s most beautiful

Ugly and fat apologists would be the first to shame you for having beauty standards that accommodate their displeasing aesthetic, but these same shamers buy Apple products because of its beauty. They take pictures of fancy plates of food, sweeping mountains, sunsets, cute animals, and so on, all because they are beautiful. Rest assured they still value the aesthetic, but simply want an exclusion to the low value conveyed by their complete lack of it.

The aesthetic laziness movement is currently in full gear within Western societies. It’s coinciding with a decay of the beauty ideal into a “look at me just because” behavior where something exists simply to be noticed and shared, not admired and appreciated. Instead of the pursuit or curation of wisdom and planes of artistic expression that exist above the level of kitcsh, we’re now in the middle of a race to build the tallest piles of trash whose sole purpose is to be noticed and commented on. An overweight woman exists, therefore she has beauty, so we’re told. But this will not work…

Symmetry and order; proportion; closure; convention; harmony, and also novelty and excitement: all these seem to have a permanent hold on the human psyche.

Scruton also makes the case against pornography:

The purpose of pornography is to arouse vicarious desire; the purpose of erotic art is to portray the sexual desire of the people pictured within it…

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The pornographic image is like a magic wand that turns subjects into objects, people into things—and thereby disenchants them, destroying the source of their beauty. It causes people to hide behind their bodies, like puppets worked by hidden strings.

And so we come full circle, for the blunt sex can destroy beauty while it’s the same act—in a different context—that men seek with beautiful women as a way to appreciate it.

It’s also worth noting that some corporations are actively seeking to destroy beauty. The Dove company cynically appeals to the insecurities of fat and ugly women to sell soap and cream so profits can be diverted to shareholders, validating and encouraging the grotesque aesthetic. Every time such a product is purchased, they are more able to market their “ugly is beautiful” message that overweight American women can’t resist to swallow. Food companies, in their pursuit of “stomach share” at all costs, are doing even more damage.

…aesthetic judgement begins to be experienced as an affliction. It imposes an intolerable burden, something that we must live up to, a world of ideals and aspirations that is in sharp conflict with the tawdriness of our improvised lives. It is perched like an owl on our shoulders, while we try to hide our pet rodents in our clothes. The temptation is to turn on it and shoo it away. The desire to desecrate is a desire to turn aesthetic judgement against itself, so that it no longer seems like a judgement of us.

Corruption of the aesthetic will only get worse. Cursing is now common among women. The same women wear pajamas in public, wear sunglasses that cover most of their face, destroy their humanity with corny tattoos, and even shave their head to appear like they just finished a round of chemotherapy. Yes, a hot trend in America and Scandinavia is the sickly aesthetic. The next step for them is to burp in public. Adults are becoming not unlike farting children who can’t help but giggle about it afterwards, unaware of the shame and embarrassment they are bringing upon themselves.

Beauty is vanishing from our world because we live as though it did not matter; and we live that way because we have lost the habit of sacrifice and are striving always to avoid it. The false art of our time, mired in kitsch and desecration, is one sign of this.

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[Beauty] challenges us to find meaning in its object, to make critical comparisons, and to examine our own lives and emotions in the light of what we find. Art, nature and the human form all invite us to place this experience in the centre of our lives.

If we don’t demand beauty, if we don’t draw a line in the sand and punish those who take beautiful forms to the burning pyre, it will continue to decline, and all that will be left to appreciate is a shiny new gadget with its metallic casing and pleasing curves. When so many men are willing to throw themselves on the female representation of the grotesque aesthetic, I wonder if we even have a chance to preserve this value in humanity.

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  • Snarky

    Interesting post.

    “If an ugly woman who has only dated ugly men becomes beautiful through advanced plastic surgery, how long will it take for her to adjust to the more handsome men pursuing her and notice aesthetic traits that she never appreciated before? How long until she becomes an expert at gaining affections of attractive men and extracting what she needs from them?”

    You are assuming that there is always a 1:1 correlation, and what I mean is that a woman who is a 9 should be with a guy whose looks are also on the 9 scale. I think this is incorrect. Of course it does happen, but most trophy skunks I have seen were always hanging out with men whose looks were far below. Look at Paulina Porizkova and Ric Ocasek for example. Look at most ugly male famous rock stars hanging out with their supermodel girlfriends.

    But in the final analysis it would seem that men and women put importance on different things. Men want beauty, women want resources, like basting in fame and easy living.

  • MAN OF HONOUR

    Some of the insights here are mindblowing. Thank you new Roosh. Welcome back! We’re waiting for all the Romanian stories please:-)

  • Deebos

    Outstanding return from the hiatus. One only needs to hit the typical nightclub in the US to observe how far beauty and class has declined in American women. The combo between shit attitude and disgusting looks is simply too much but yet the hallmark of a standard American women. The irony, post pump and dump years, is that come the 30′s some of these women ditch the shit attitude while others double down and become truly unbearable, yet neither group works on their outer beauty as there is always some chump who will accept them for their inner beauty no matter how perverted it may be.

  • Mariana

    Briiliant. I am a huge fan of Scruton.

  • MAN OF HONOUR

    Thank you for exposing how fat and ugly american girls became

  • MAN OF HONOUR

    I will organize excursions to meet Romanian girls. Will charge 10,000.00 usd per day ;-)

  • Lika

    Le Roosh nouveau is the same old Roosh…

  • Awesome Possum

    Roosh,

    I’m glad you’re back. I’ve missed your posts. The combinatino of philosophy, blunt truth, and advice and information is something I simply haven’t seen anywhere else. When I saw your post regarding the “new Roosh” and your changing views, I was worried. Not concerned that you were going to become a loser destined to date fat feminists as some of your trolls suggested, but rather that you might no longer be writing the same truths you have for the past few years. I’m glad you don’t seem to have changed too much, and I look forward to seeing your next posts.

    Keep the old Roosh! :)

    [Roosh: I just said there may be some contradictions. People seem to frame it as "new" vs "old" when it's just a continuance.]

  • J. Theory

    I’d recommend also Baudrillard, Simulation and Simulacrum. Really dives into the philosophical effect of the world of images and signs. Effectively Dove is trying to make out fiction as reality, blurring the lines so there is neither.

  • unom

    Great post. Can’t wait for some stories from Romania.

  • trs

    You didn’t mention architecture and I wonder if the book delves into it. The hideousness of almost all recently built neighborhoods and buildings in the USA is striking. A fantastically wealthy society by historical standards builds depressing and brutal homes and buildings. Whereas dirt poor peasants often once built gorgeous towns and civic buildings and temples.

    Kunstler covers the catastrophe of hideous American architecture very well. His “eyesore of the month” is eye opening.
    http://kunstler.com/eyesore-of-the-month/june-2013/

  • LS

    Good post.

    From an old Scruton essay at City Journal:

    “Many of the uglinesses cultivated in our world today refer back to the two experiences that I have singled out. The body in the throes of death; the body in the throes of sex—these things easily fascinate us. They fascinate us by desecrating the human form, by showing the human body as a mere object among objects, the human spirit as eclipsed and ineffectual, and the human being as overcome by external forces, rather than as a free subject bound by the moral law.” (my emphasis)

    http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_2_beauty.html

  • Naz

    Wealth and beauty. Poverty and ugliness. Or wealth and ugliness, poverty and beauty? This seems to be the theme Roosh is hinting at.

    In my suburban new jersey enclave the mcmansions are a depressing eyesore, and if I made enough money to afford a crib like my parents have I would be pretty pissed off if the best I could do is the quality of wives I see around here.

  • rez

    roosh you are evolving into a top-rate philosopher.

    in my view, your metamorphosis has been to evolve from writing highly entertaining posts and books (paraguay, bang guides) to works like this that are entertaining but also deeply complex. keep thinking and writing; i and many others will purchase your works as long as you continue to write them. cerebral, thought-provoking, and insightful works such as this are especially welcome.

    rez

  • http://16tonelada.blogspot.com Diogo

    Great post. Does the author talks about the italian [or latin] idea of “bella figura”? It seems a correlate concept.

  • djiaz

    I don’t like your book reviews. It’s boring. But I am a follower.

  • Piotr

    Good you’ve found Scruton. Theodore Dalrymple next.

    I was reminded of this quote:

    “Life is not just a succession of events or experiences: it is a search for the true, the good and the beautiful. It is to this end that we make our choices; it is for this that we exercise our freedom; it is in this – in truth, in goodness, and in beauty – that we find happiness and joy.”

    Guess who wrote that.

  • Lilja

    “When so many men are willing to throw themselves on the female representation of the grotesque aesthetic, I wonder if we even have a chance to preserve this value in humanity.”

    More resigned than willing, I would guess. If most of the women around you are sloppy and heavy, what’s the alternative? Celibacy? I think both men and women have lowered their standards simply because they’ve been forced to.

  • mich

    mindblowing first post. speechless…

    Keep some energy for the next one!

  • damien

    mindblowing insight. i can’t believe you are only 33. you are truly reaching demigod status. hands down the most inspiring piece of blogging i read this decade. i’m sitting here literally in tears as i see the world in all its red pill beauty.

  • Anonymous

    Couple of points I’d like to make about beauty without being mean spirited to anyone:

    1. Once mankind understands how all 25,000+ human genes interact we will use this knowledge to engineer increasingly beautiful and healthy people. One by one all of the 32,000+ diseases that afflict man- and womankind will be eliminated. As we understand more about the brain, the mental conditions that affect some 1 in 4 people everywhere will be removed. In 5,000 years time human beings will be so beautiful, intelligent and healthy that anybody alive today encountering them would think that gods walk the earth. IN 10,000 years humans will be even more beautiful than that.

    2. The notion that “beauty is in the eye of the beholder” and therefore everybody is physically beautiful is false because there is a MATHEMATICAL basis to beauty. Artists have known for centuries that, curiously, some numbers are more beautiful than others, and science has shown that people considered beautiful- and most particularly models – have physical characteristics in ratios that almost exactly match these numbers. These numbers are known as Golden numbers or Golden ratios, and if you’re REALLY interested in this subject watch “The Human Face”, made in 2001, and presented by comedian John Cleese:

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Human-Face-John-Cleese/dp/B00005LC1B/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1372736408&sr=8-2&keywords=the+human+face

    Beauty is governed by the science of Pure Mathematics and not Politics, despite some believing otherwise.

  • THE BEST PART

    Ugly and fat apologists would be the first to shame you for having beauty standards that accommodate their displeasing aesthetic, but these same shamers buy Apple products because of its beauty. They take pictures of fancy plates of food, sweeping mountains, sunsets, cute animals, and so on, all because they are beautiful. Rest assured they still value the aesthetic, but simply want an exclusion to the low value conveyed by their complete lack of it.

    The aesthetic laziness movement is currently in full gear within Western societies. It’s coinciding with a decay of the beauty ideal into a “look at me just because” behavior where something exists simply to be noticed and shared, not admired and appreciated. Instead of the pursuit or curation of wisdom and planes of artistic expression that exist above the level of kitcsh, we’re now in the middle of a race to build the tallest piles of trash whose sole purpose is to be noticed and commented on. An overweight woman exists, therefore she has beauty, so we’re told. But this will not work…

  • Giovonny

    Interesting and under-discussed topic.

    Good stuff.

    “By having sex with a beautiful girl, your desire for beauty is satisfied but only momentarily, because there is nothing about her beauty that you can possess. You can’t take it from her. You only feel the presence or power of her beauty for a brief period of time.”

    This is why I think its important to make homemade porn. We can capture some of their beauty forever and take it with us.

  • Anonymous

    21-Yeah and we will die out pretty quickly,its our genetic diversity that keeps us alive,there always needs to be ugly people and different people just for the sake of diversity,because no one knows what will be useful down the road.Interfereing in our genes will be a big mistake because we cant comprehend what will it cause in 50,000 years or 1million year.

  • bud

    Roosh now turns his hate towards the beautiful people! Not getting laid – dead giveaway

  • Anonymous

    Bud,have you read the article or you are just a total moron?

  • Joe Dick

    ‘beauty’ in women is way, WAY overrated. I also it’s the wrong word to use for any woman. She can LOOK PRETTY,LOOK SEXY, etc, but ‘beautiful’ wow, slow down. To me a visually pretty woman is still like smelly waste compared to a beautiful sunset or the 25th Symphony by Mozart. So, I don’t just generalize and use the word ‘beauty’ just because a woman looks pretty. But yes, visual attractiveness in a woman HAS to be there, or my dick will just be indifferent. Besides, I can rent ‘beauty’ for about 36 bucks, quickie with a pretty girl. Ok a prostitute, so what? Still not a junkie or anything. Works well for me. I have had sex with quite a few of them and guess what happened, while I used to go crazy when I saw a ‘beautiful’ woman, now I just think, ‘big deal’. Women are overrated….no matter how pretty she looks, wait a few years, she won’t look that good anymore once her boobs head South and her cottage cheese legs get worse. A man should always look at her flaws before going ‘wooowwww’. Yeah the fat ones are out of the question. But she might also be way too thin, some of them look like they might snap any moment. And what about the ones who have boney feet that look frog-like, with the tiny bones sticking out above her toes? Not to mention, maybe she even picks her nose…
    Ah, beauty. I’ll reserve that word only to truly beautiful gifts. And a Mac computer or a bitch ain’t deserving of that word. Ever

  • http://irs.gov CaptainCaveman

    I think where I’m at with it is to marry someone pretty, get rich and buy her a new face every decade or so.

  • Giovonny

    Joe Dick,

    Are you on the forum?

  • Slumlord

    Good post, but way too big a topic for a combox discussion.

    Just a few points.

    I disagree with Scruton that beauty is a rational phenomenon, rather, I think it is our nature. In other words what we are to find beautiful is wired/implanted in our nature.

    Taking a boring behaviouralist approach, I’ll define beauty as pleasurable sensation in response to a visual stimulus. The reason why we desire the beautiful is because, in its presence, we derive a sense of pleasure. A ugly girl/boy, all things considered, doesn’t really evoke the same sense of pleasure in us as the beautiful and thus is less desired.

    The thing about beauty is that it can be comingled with other traits which our minds can distinguish with a very high degree of precision. Thus a child and woman can both be beautiful but in the normal male, the absence of sexual characteristics in the child, makes it sexually neutral but the woman desirable.

    I think one of the reasons why beauty is diminishing is because we have become a less intellectual and more primitive people over the last hundred years or so. Our pleasures are far more primitive and fleshy,designed to appeal to satisfaction of biological appetite. Today’s beautiful woman seems to have an exaggerated emphasis of sexuality rather than aesthetic beauty. Venus de Milo does not look like Pamela Anderson.

  • http://www.ruxman.com Ruxman

    “I hypothesize the switch is based on your environment, where your subsconscious knows your sexual market value more than you do and thus determines your mating behavior.”

    Had to slow down for that one, great line. I find that a pursuit of beauty is not shallow or selfish. I think a pursuit of beauty is a life choice and it can be applied to a balanced lifestyle, which is optimal for the performance and function of your mind and body. I’m struggling to think of any meaningful celebrations of human beauty that aren’t linked with money right now.

  • http://quintuscurtius.com Quintus Curtius

    As female beauty becomes rarer and rarer in the US, the legions of female overweight trolls will continue to push for acceptance of their ugliness. It is difficult to know where this will all end. I think that the loss of beauty as an Ideal to be aspired to has something to do with the loss of the spiritual ideal in the West. Civilizations and their religions tend to fall together. The old ideal (beauty) was inseparably linked to the foundations of Western Civilization: the classical Greco-Roman world, then the medieval feudal concepts of feminine beauty and chivalry. All that is being eroded away. I begin to think, more and more, that we are on the doorstep of a new age of barbarism. A new civilization will not take place for a while, and in the interin, there will be chaos and disorder.

  • Rut

    Good piece, Roosh.
    That People Magazine cover really struck home. I have lived in a certain Asian country long enough to be able to discern a truly attractive woman from a merely exotic one (which latter most foreigners settle for, leading to the expression “whiteys are blind”), but still at least 3/4 of the country’s female celebrities do not pass the boner test.
    I think an aura is created by visibility alone, attained through the casting couch then literally whoring themselves out to be able to pay for media exposure, which blinds the average person to the essential flaws of the “star.”

  • Batterz

    I’d like to go in on the defense for gwyneth Paltrow.

    For starters, she was quoted as saying she doesn’t deserve the title, being a 40 yr old mum of two. So she has some awareness of her SMV.

    Secondly, she’s also come out and explicitly stated that the sole reason she had such a good body, is due to her gruelling workout regime. So at least she’s encouraging woman to work on themselves.

  • Fuck you

    “If we don’t demand beauty, if we don’t draw a line in the sand and punish those who take beautiful forms to the burning pyre, it will continue to decline, and all that will be left to appreciate is a shiny new gadget with its metallic casing and pleasing curves.”

    What a mascunazi! How, exactly, do you plan to “punish” those who wont follow your rules, Mr. Hitler? This entire article reeks of genocide. Are you just going to start shooting women who refuse to conform to your narrow definition of “beauty”? I sense that you must be horribly disfigured to even write hateful garbage like this. I know you’re ugly, and I don’t even need to see you. Your insides, the very fiber of your being, is like the flesh of a decaying corpse.

    No beauty lies in your heart, which explains why you’re so obsessed with the pursuit of it’s most superficial form. I guess you think you can, like, milk it out of women, and apply it to your warts, like some sort of ointment. LOL Wow. Pure Beta. You want TO BE a woman. Admit it, creep.

  • Back_From_Da_Future

    “men are willing to throw themselves on the female representation of the grotesque aesthetic”

    Gender equality and economic freedom can affect our evolutionary progression and our standards of beauty. In a “1st world’ society, guys may no longer choose youth & beauty in women, and women no longer care about a man’s wealth or status.

    Mass media would have you believe otherwise by portraying certain stereotypes (which the naive follow and try to attain) but evolutionary biology dictates most of us will go along with the programming of our genes.

    “I wonder if we even have a chance to preserve this value in humanity”

    In nature, the best genes will always survive and many of those genes will produce beautiful people. Preserving it will not be a question.

  • Directm

    Welcome to relativity and by extension post-modern thought. A world where the Big Lebowski’s maxim “That’s just your opinion Dude” is king. A world where the truth and beauty are just social constructs. A world where truth, nobility of spirit and beauty are not values worth striving for but forms of oppression. Until we can come up with a rational rebuttal to relativity expect to see more of the same in society.

    However, in the meantime I will strive to become the best that I can be.

  • Larronzo

    In Nature, beauty means health. And health can be measured in Nature by the Golden Ratio, which is 1.186 to 1. All beautiful women, worldwide, in both facial features and physical form, adhere to the specifications of the Golden Ratio.

    Men evolved to be attracted to beautiful women because beauty means health. And a healthy woman means a much better chance of healthy offspring.

    Google the “Golden Ratio” to find out more. Beauty is NOT in the eye of the beholder.

  • will

    I would say that beauty at least in regards to women correlates with genetic health:

    http://www.plosone.org/article/fetchArticle.action?articleURI=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0002106

  • Andrew

    “Does a man whose height is 5’3 not have the same ability to live to be 100 as the man who is 6’3? We all understand what beauty preferences humans have, but they persist in a time where it makes little evolutionary sense, leading to backwards rationalizations by evolutionary psychologists that gives answers only because the final result is known.”

    Firstly, a short man who is 5’6 and under cannot obtain beautiful women if he got buff, talked with confidence and dresedwell and had cash and a pad and a good ride.

    Becuase women will by default disqualify you regardless.

    The only way is to get famous like Tom Cruise.

    Only tall men rule the roost and short men will never get east european beauties, they are relegated to fat women.

    Hence why I get beautiful girls by just rambling my mouth off being 6’2 and never see short guys with hot caucasian women.

  • MrAwesome

    @Andrew

    What you’re saying is probably true but I am 5″4′ and I do occasionally get very beautiful women.
    And I don’t have cash, a good ride, etc.

    I will confess that I am probably the exception. I’ve never met another short guy who can do what I can do.

  • rem

    Omg everyone here are idiots.
    A man has to be healthy in order to make healthy babies.
    Women don posses sperm,men do.
    If men are unhealthy the baby will be unhealthy as well.
    BOTH PARENTS HAVE TO BE HEALTHY.
    Men here are saying men should be unhealthy,fat and ugly.
    Why would any man want to be fat and ugly??
    I thought everyone wanted to be good looking.
    It makes you feel good about yourself to be a handsome man.
    Men here take pride in being ugly and fat??
    Really weird.
    Well anyone if the babies come out looking ugly like the guy,then what?
    If his genes are stronger than the womans,then all the babies will be ugly like him.
    Girls tend to take after their fathers looks sometimes.
    Boys tend to take after their mothers sometimes.
    Both men and woman have to be healthy and attractive for the children to be both healthy and attractive.
    If you think its okay for men to be ugly and unhealthy then the future of your children will be like Russian roulette.
    Youll have to pray the children don’t look like him.
    Which is basically Russian roulette.
    I don’t think so :/
    A handsome and healthy man with a beautiful and healthy woman stand a 100 percent chance of beautiful and healthy kids.
    So no matter what beautiful and beautiful will make pretty.
    not ugly and beautiful….you can only hope that the beautiful ones looks pass on.
    Hints-Hope..Which means your not sure….Just pray it isn’t a girl that looks like her father….poor thing…kill it at birth I say.