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		<title>By: Tampa</title>
		<link>http://www.rooshv.com/turf-wars#comment-26664</link>
		<dc:creator>Tampa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is post is so fucking brilliant.  So much truth to that.  Its speaks volumes about the stupid shit where the dumb bitch sits at the bar with her bar stool facing outwards away from the bar and towards the people.  I call it the &quot;queen perch.&quot;

The &quot;Hey, i&#039;m trying to get laid, so come over and see if make the cut.&quot;

Bitches are crazy.  So funny.</description>
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<p>That is post is so fucking brilliant.  So much truth to that.  Its speaks volumes about the stupid shit where the dumb bitch sits at the bar with her bar stool facing outwards away from the bar and towards the people.  I call it the &#8220;queen perch.&#8221;</p>
<p>The &#8220;Hey, i&#8217;m trying to get laid, so come over and see if make the cut.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bitches are crazy.  So funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Benedict Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benedict Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>excellent post, best in awhile. I don&#039;t necessarily try that whole &quot;Mystery only over the shoulder talk&quot; bit, but this about her having the power to turn away/exclude you and by extension her cock-blocking, rather go home and cry while masturbating friends, is completely true. The most girls i&#039;ve pulled were ones who were behind me while I sat at at a bar, or beside me, where after due time regalling my buddy or female bartender i know with anecdotes/stories, I then allow/wait patiently for her to ask for a light, or a napkin or simply speak to me first. 

again, Bravo! I say Rooosh

&lt;em&gt;Benedict Smith&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&#039;http://thisisnotimefortheinnocent.blogspot.com/2009/01/christian-troy-vs-paulie-bleeker.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Christian Troy Vs Paulie Bleeker&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent post, best in awhile. I don&#8217;t necessarily try that whole &#8220;Mystery only over the shoulder talk&#8221; bit, but this about her having the power to turn away/exclude you and by extension her cock-blocking, rather go home and cry while masturbating friends, is completely true. The most girls i&#8217;ve pulled were ones who were behind me while I sat at at a bar, or beside me, where after due time regalling my buddy or female bartender i know with anecdotes/stories, I then allow/wait patiently for her to ask for a light, or a napkin or simply speak to me first. </p>
<p>again, Bravo! I say Rooosh</p>
<p><em>Benedict Smith&#8217;s last blog post: <a href='http://thisisnotimefortheinnocent.blogspot.com/2009/01/christian-troy-vs-paulie-bleeker.html' rel="nofollow">Christian Troy Vs Paulie Bleeker</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 06:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(For Justin)</description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://www.rooshv.com/turf-wars#comment-26622</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 04:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather be the alpha sitting in the corner with his alpha friends than the beta-clown surrounded by a group of 10&#039;s. Don&#039;t worry, other options will always come your way, they always do...</description>
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		<title>By: z</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff. 

&quot;My entire game is becoming increasingly structured around the fact that a girl almost never has the upper hand when she’s talking to me.&quot;

.............much the same as a sales professional almost always has the upper hand in &quot;consultations&quot; because they have went over the proposed conversation in meetings many many many times, and have ways to effectively cut off retreats from the mark, er...customer, should they want to flake. The whole conversation is structured so that the customer has to walk away &quot;even though they are throwing away a lot of money&quot; or &quot;are going to forefit the highest quality item to buy the prole model&quot; or are &quot;risking not buying the insurance and will be SOL if the model has a defect&quot; or have to be &quot;the bad guy&quot; in order to say no. The marketing teams at the home office have went over these conversations a zillion times that they seminar-lead the salestaff through so that all the psychological retreats are inhibited by the salesperson as much as possible-----in order to get the customer to buy something that they may not want or need (or could really afford). Its about getting the sale, like game is about getting the hook up. To hell with any buyer&#039;s remorse she might have later. Many people had to be &quot;talked into&quot; the best purchases they ever made. 


The whole concept of game, even if it was just &quot;what-to-do&quot; strategies, is a huge leap forward over where men were in the bar scene in the eighties and nineties where guys just played it by ear helplessly with no plan. No planning means that men left their biggest advantage, their superior intellects and future-time-orientation, back at home and were led like lambs to the slaughter to clubs where females hold so many advantages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff. </p>
<p>&#8220;My entire game is becoming increasingly structured around the fact that a girl almost never has the upper hand when she’s talking to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.much the same as a sales professional almost always has the upper hand in &#8220;consultations&#8221; because they have went over the proposed conversation in meetings many many many times, and have ways to effectively cut off retreats from the mark, er&#8230;customer, should they want to flake. The whole conversation is structured so that the customer has to walk away &#8220;even though they are throwing away a lot of money&#8221; or &#8220;are going to forefit the highest quality item to buy the prole model&#8221; or are &#8220;risking not buying the insurance and will be SOL if the model has a defect&#8221; or have to be &#8220;the bad guy&#8221; in order to say no. The marketing teams at the home office have went over these conversations a zillion times that they seminar-lead the salestaff through so that all the psychological retreats are inhibited by the salesperson as much as possible&#8212;&#8211;in order to get the customer to buy something that they may not want or need (or could really afford). Its about getting the sale, like game is about getting the hook up. To hell with any buyer&#8217;s remorse she might have later. Many people had to be &#8220;talked into&#8221; the best purchases they ever made. </p>
<p>The whole concept of game, even if it was just &#8220;what-to-do&#8221; strategies, is a huge leap forward over where men were in the bar scene in the eighties and nineties where guys just played it by ear helplessly with no plan. No planning means that men left their biggest advantage, their superior intellects and future-time-orientation, back at home and were led like lambs to the slaughter to clubs where females hold so many advantages.</p>
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		<title>By: seeking_alpha</title>
		<link>http://www.rooshv.com/turf-wars#comment-26620</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 02:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, when you walk away, it sends a message to any other girl who sees. This way, it&#039;s more ambiguous.</description>
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<p>Also, when you walk away, it sends a message to any other girl who sees. This way, it&#8217;s more ambiguous.</p>
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		<title>By: dchero</title>
		<link>http://www.rooshv.com/turf-wars#comment-26619</link>
		<dc:creator>dchero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;if a man takes orders from a woman, is he still a man?&lt;/i&gt;

No, he&#039;s a husband. Ha! This is good stuff here. It&#039;s an extension of that &quot;settling in to a place&quot; thought. I like where you&#039;re going with this.

&lt;em&gt;dchero&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&#039;http://dchero.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/the-hook/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Hook&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if a man takes orders from a woman, is he still a man?</i></p>
<p>No, he&#8217;s a husband. Ha! This is good stuff here. It&#8217;s an extension of that &#8220;settling in to a place&#8221; thought. I like where you&#8217;re going with this.</p>
<p><em>dchero&#8217;s last blog post: <a href='http://dchero.wordpress.com/2008/12/02/the-hook/' rel="nofollow">The Hook</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>By: alphadominance</title>
		<link>http://www.rooshv.com/turf-wars#comment-26617</link>
		<dc:creator>alphadominance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 23:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Roosh.  These subtle things that hardly register for we men are noted and remembered by women.  Women are highly socially sensitive relative to men and not only will you have to perp walk away from this set, but any other women in the line of sight will put a mark against you as well, decreasing your odds of winning them over.  I&#039;ve seen these sorry guys go down the bar from one chick/group to another only to rebuffed again and again, basically fucking up any chances they&#039;d have in the place for a long time to come, permanently losing home-turf advantage.

&lt;em&gt;alphadominance&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&#039;http://alphadominance.com/?p=548&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alpha males are better stock traders&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Roosh.  These subtle things that hardly register for we men are noted and remembered by women.  Women are highly socially sensitive relative to men and not only will you have to perp walk away from this set, but any other women in the line of sight will put a mark against you as well, decreasing your odds of winning them over.  I&#8217;ve seen these sorry guys go down the bar from one chick/group to another only to rebuffed again and again, basically fucking up any chances they&#8217;d have in the place for a long time to come, permanently losing home-turf advantage.</p>
<p><em>alphadominance&#8217;s last blog post: <a href='http://alphadominance.com/?p=548' rel="nofollow">Alpha males are better stock traders</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>By: roissy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not walking away from a blown set that i was standing right next to was one of the biggest positive changes i made to my inner game.

&lt;em&gt;roissy&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&#039;http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/a-hole-game-day-2/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A-hole Game: Day 2&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not walking away from a blown set that i was standing right next to was one of the biggest positive changes i made to my inner game.</p>
<p><em>roissy&#8217;s last blog post: <a href='http://roissy.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/a-hole-game-day-2/' rel="nofollow">A-hole Game: Day 2</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Infinity</title>
		<link>http://www.rooshv.com/turf-wars#comment-26615</link>
		<dc:creator>Infinity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frame and ground are important in interacting with women. Don&#039;t really need to say much else since Roosh did a good job explaining the importance. Have the edge and the advantage and it makes it easier for you.

Never bad to create an advantage that can give you better chances at positive results.

&lt;em&gt;Infinity&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.projectinfinity.me/women-old/2009/1/13/virginity-35-million.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Virginity = $3.5 Million&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frame and ground are important in interacting with women. Don&#8217;t really need to say much else since Roosh did a good job explaining the importance. Have the edge and the advantage and it makes it easier for you.</p>
<p>Never bad to create an advantage that can give you better chances at positive results.</p>
<p><em>Infinity&#8217;s last blog post: <a href='http://www.projectinfinity.me/women-old/2009/1/13/virginity-35-million.html' rel="nofollow">Virginity = $3.5 Million</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>By: The Brooklyn Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.rooshv.com/turf-wars#comment-26612</link>
		<dc:creator>The Brooklyn Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the magic of comment overlap. Oh well. Roosh, yer explanation strikes a more precise point ... probably because you wrote the post in the first place. Ha.

&lt;em&gt;The Brooklyn Boy&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/justleftofnowhere/~3/510227742/game-on-and-on-and-on-and-on.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Game On ... and On and On and On&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the magic of comment overlap. Oh well. Roosh, yer explanation strikes a more precise point &#8230; probably because you wrote the post in the first place. Ha.</p>
<p><em>The Brooklyn Boy&#8217;s last blog post: <a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/justleftofnowhere/~3/510227742/game-on-and-on-and-on-and-on.html' rel="nofollow">Game On &#8230; and On and On and On</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>By: The Brooklyn Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Brooklyn Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin -- Roosh addresses your point early on by pointing out that after you know what&#039;s really good about your game, you can pick and choose. If you&#039;re not feeling like walking over, you don&#039;t have to, because an opp will inevitably present itself. And if you end up just chillin with your boys and having a fun night, well, mission accomplished. But if you&#039;re in the mood to cast a net, you&#039;re free to do so. Especially if you know how to put in the least effort for max results.

&lt;em&gt;The Brooklyn Boy&#039;s last blog post: &lt;a href=&#039;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/justleftofnowhere/~3/510227742/game-on-and-on-and-on-and-on.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Game On ... and On and On and On&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin &#8212; Roosh addresses your point early on by pointing out that after you know what&#8217;s really good about your game, you can pick and choose. If you&#8217;re not feeling like walking over, you don&#8217;t have to, because an opp will inevitably present itself. And if you end up just chillin with your boys and having a fun night, well, mission accomplished. But if you&#8217;re in the mood to cast a net, you&#8217;re free to do so. Especially if you know how to put in the least effort for max results.</p>
<p><em>The Brooklyn Boy&#8217;s last blog post: <a href='http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/justleftofnowhere/~3/510227742/game-on-and-on-and-on-and-on.html' rel="nofollow">Game On &#8230; and On and On and On</a>.</em></p>
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		<title>By: jkc</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you speak the truth. well done, sir.</description>
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		<title>By: Roosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The iron is absolutely not hot when she&#039;s in a massive group with her friends in the corner. Chance of success in that case is low. You wait a few minutes and it goes up. 

&quot;they’re having fun with that lone guy who came up and put his balls on the table for them to hit with a hammer&quot;

Sounds like you don&#039;t approach many groups. How many times have you pulled from this case? Once?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The iron is absolutely not hot when she&#8217;s in a massive group with her friends in the corner. Chance of success in that case is low. You wait a few minutes and it goes up. </p>
<p>&#8220;they’re having fun with that lone guy who came up and put his balls on the table for them to hit with a hammer&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like you don&#8217;t approach many groups. How many times have you pulled from this case? Once?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>approaching groups is more stand-up comedien than game. 3 girls tops</description>
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<p>approaching groups is more stand-up comedien than game. 3 girls tops</p>
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		<title>By: Smokin Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smokin Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 16:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My entire game is becoming increasingly structured around the fact that a girl almost never has the upper hand when she’s talking to me.

- Stop slipping in roofies and it might get harder for you.</description>
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<p>- Stop slipping in roofies and it might get harder for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 15:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to striking while the iron is hot?  You wait around too long when you spot a group of girls sitting at a table and not moving or being approached, those extra seconds or minutes talking to your clown friends are going to matter because then the next thing you know they&#039;re having fun with that lone guy who came up and put his balls on the table for them to hit with a hammer.  He doesn&#039;t care if he fucks up.  Doesn&#039;t always work out for any party, but I don&#039;t believe you&#039;re going to be doing yourself any favors with this lazy-assed approach to things.</description>
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<p>What happened to striking while the iron is hot?  You wait around too long when you spot a group of girls sitting at a table and not moving or being approached, those extra seconds or minutes talking to your clown friends are going to matter because then the next thing you know they&#8217;re having fun with that lone guy who came up and put his balls on the table for them to hit with a hammer.  He doesn&#8217;t care if he fucks up.  Doesn&#8217;t always work out for any party, but I don&#8217;t believe you&#8217;re going to be doing yourself any favors with this lazy-assed approach to things.</p>
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