If you read men’s rights blogs or forums, you’re probably under the impression that half of all bangs end up with a false rape charge. Because of this blog I’ve known dozens of game guys (or gamesmen, if you will), with more than a thousand notches between them, and not once has any mentioned problems to me with being accused of rape. I know it happens, but the incidence is too small for me to worry about instead of STDs and accidental pregnancies.
While every feminist likes to repeat the phrase “No means no,” it depends on context. Here’s a guide:
“No” when you try to take off her jeans or shirt means… “You need to turn me on a lot more.”
“No” when you try to take off her bra means… “Try again in five minutes.”
“No” when you try to take off her panties means… “Don’t give up now!”
I find the only word that means no is “stop.” If you hear that word then she’ll be asking you to leave soon after.
For every rape accusation I’d want to know at what stage of undress the girl was at before the supposed rape happened. If she was completely naked until saying no, and got there voluntarily, then I’d be reluctant to charge the man with rape unless there were signs of violence. Women need to understand that men aren’t robots who can suddenly stop at the drop of a dime with all that testosterone pumping through their system. Therefore it would be prudent for them not to enter situations where the average man can’t stop due to his innate weaknesses as an animal whose entire existence depends on him successfully mating.
Every roller coaster has a point while chugging up that first hill where’s there’s no turning back and you just need to hang on for the ride. In other words, don’t let a man on your bed unless you’re trying to get it.Tweet Follow @rooshv
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In some jurisdictions even in the middle of sex if she says stop for whatever reason and you don’t INSTANTLY stop, if you pump even ONE more time, you could be going to jail. This is why crazy and/or vindictive chicks scare me.
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Unfortunately for us, the fembots and their mangina judicary lapdogs declare ‘no’ as ‘no’.
If she’s naked and saying no, you continue on very context specific IOIs. If she’s clamming up, bail, flash some anger at her retarded flaking, and leave.
All it takes is 1 life-ruining accusation to become a men’s rights convert.
Feminists believe you shouldn’t have to say or do anything. As long as they think to themselves that they don’t want it, it’s rape. The law isn’t there yet, and I don’t think it will be.
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Sorry to be the grammar nazi, but you don’t need an apostrophe when pluralizing an acronym, like STDs.
So, you raped a girl.
You’ve gone from high school nobody to college nobody to post-college faggot who gets a few lays here and there and, on occasion, rapes a girl.
You Da Man!!!! LOL!!
I guess when you don’t have more than two sexual partners until your mid-20s, you have to take it when you can.
I don’t know man. I’ll have to disagree with you on this one. I’ve bedded about 20 chicks in my life and i can honestly say that the word “no” never really ever came out. Maybe i’ll get the push-away or her grabbing my hand, but i’ve never had a girl say “no” to me and then I ended up banging her.
Maybe a “no” in a laughing manner, but def never in a “no” in a don’t want to do this manner.
Usually my response to a girl who is resisting is just an utter pull-back and trying to reframe this as her being a moronic tease.
If we hang out all night and the girl doesn’t give it up – i’m out. I’m not doing this whole “i take you out, we flirt, talk, i pay” and then we just go home and sleep on it.
A major portion of the courtship phase is fucking….. if we aren’t eventually fucking then i don’t want to court you.
‘just keep going’
I thought no always meant yes. if it’s a real no (for whatever situation) – she will remove herself from that situation, not just remain there. actions speak louder than words kinda thing…
I should read this post now. just that the phrase ‘no means yes’ is very dear to me.
If she doesn’t want it, she’ll make an excuse to leave.
Lying on the bed moaning and saying “no” definitely does not actually mean “no”.
I used to be scared to be too aggressive, because of rape charges and shit. Yeah, I’m no longer fearful of that shit….
Like you said in the post Roosh, you slept with both girls many times after that. That’s reason enough to believe there’s no way it was rape, because they liked it and kept coming back….
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When you think about it the female mind must be severely divided. For the species to continue the female must at somepoint submit, while naked, to a larger, stronger person getting on top of her, or placing her in some other helpless position and inserting a body part inside her.
On the other hand this can’t happen too easily. While some part of the brain is programmed to ensure this happens under the right circumstances, much of the rest of the brain is programmed to prevent it. I don’t think there is any switch that moves her from “resist penetration” to “submit to penetration” so both parts could be working at the same time.
So it seems to me game is simultaneously disarming the resist part of the brain and activating the submit part of the brain.
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One of my friend’s once said it best, “Hell no means the same as maybe.”
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I just hate that no matter how horny they seem, women can really just stop and be fine with it. I certainly can’t do that.
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dead on about “stop”
been told that
was not asked to leave but i’ve never seen her since
“No” is a huge turnoff to me, and it’s a good thing, because even a .1% chance of legitimate sex being called rape is not worth it to me. I’d rather pull out in the middle of the act, walk her to the door and tell her to have a nice life, than to finish and find out it’s the last sex I’ll have with a girl for 10 years.
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My feelings about this post can best be expressed by this Onion article, entitled, “I Tell Ya, Until I’ve Had My Morning Coffee, I Am Just a Rapist.”
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on the same token, I think the haters’ negative comments actually mean they like the post, this time
I’ve had experience with the flaky teasing shit. The girl was a neurotic with psychotic episodes and a drinking problem. I got rid of her.
Once I came close (too damned close) to a rape setup. She verbally danced around her desire to act out a rape fantasy; I declined. Good thing, too. She was nuts.
I found one “no means yes” girl some years back. What a trip. The kinkier things got, the more she enjoyed it and the protesting continued. I finally broke up with her when I couldn’t take the drama anymore and greener pastures presented themselves. She found someone she thought was good husband material and last I heard she was driving the poor schmuck nuts trying to get him to the altar.
The only thing about the no-means-yes girl is that under the right circumstances, like when the man is loaded and not thinking clearly, you could end up in trouble. The odds are against it, sure, but I find myself being just a little more careful than I used to be.
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Women shout to the rooftops about how much better at communicating they are, so why not make them prove it? Words given other than their plain meaning or are intended to give the speaker deniability would not be tolerated in any other context, why tolerate it in a sexual one, especially given the legal risk?
good post roosh.
I have to say that I would be more careful about this than a lot of you guys. Too many girls in love with being victims. a girl who says no when she means yes can other other problems, maybe she’s a flaky psycho. She could turn on you when she realizes you are not that serious about her etc.
Roosh: Haven’t I seen you someplace before?
Woman: Yes, that’s why I don’t go there anymore.
Roosh: Is this seat empty?
Woman: Yes, and this one will be if you sit down.
Roosh: Your place or mine?
Woman: Both. You go to yours, and I’ll go to mine.
Roosh: Hey baby, what’s your sign?
Woman: Do not enter.
Roosh: I would go to the end of the world for you.
Woman: But would you stay there?
I think girls say “no” to help them cope with the guilt the next day. They still want sex, obviously.
Old sales technique…
When she really wants you to stop will probably be pretty clear.
If she doesn’t ….no stop and don’t…turn into…
NO! DON’T STOP!!!!
Part of the problem in the USA, is so many people deny our primal nature and purely biological and animalistic roots. Couple that with the fact that chicks usually want to get fucked before they blow you= heavy petting zoo to sex in one step.
Rape is not something to be taken lightly. It is a very serious crime and worthy of HARSH punishment. If either of my sisters or any female family members said they were raped I would be entirely angry and likely act out in an animalistic and primal way. I think this is biologically programmed into us.
I don’t keep an accurate count, more like a rough estimate, but plenty of girls who have really wanted it and eventually said so or let me know prefaced it with something along the lines of:
“We’re not having sex tonight”
“No…I hardly know you”
It just depends on the context.
Like I said rape is not something to be taken lightly. I’d say it could even deserve unmerciful retribution…but these same feminazis and the miserable saps who support them sure as hell won’t step up when someone is falsely accused.
You can apply AIM to see what she really means by just pulling back a step. If she draws you back in, no reason not to go for it. When you have hit the wall she’ll let you know but it is up to you to recognize it…if you’ve gone too far to stop youself physically but she ain’t down, just pull out and beat off on her cat or pillow.
STDs and or Pregnancy are probably a more realistic threat to you as a human being..but if she brings the rape charge it will probably be you who ends up getting fucked.
Maybe some of these chicks are just trying to live out their rape fantasies without feeling like the filthy whores they really are by telling you.
So many chicks love to be held down, choked, slapped, etc.
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Genius…this is actually probably a good move…cause if she wants it, in my own experience she’ll try to invite herself back in…
For some girls no means yes, but I think the world should try to train them from this habit. Because it makes it hard on us girls that say no and mean it.
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V, who is the world? Are you saying that a guy should insist on sex with a girl who’s said “no” if all her other signals indicate “yes”?
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And who will bail you out of jail, game boy?? Your book publishers and blog followers or me and your Dad that have provided you with food and shelter to become this monster?? Will that nice balding boy in glasses sell one of his expensive suits to pay your lawyer fees????
You are my son and I love you very much but you make me cry and I cannot look people straight in the eyes knowing what I have raised. As your Mother, I command thee stop!
Are you saying that a guy should insist on sex with a girl who’s said “no” if all her other signals indicate “yes”?
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No I’m saying just the opposite. A guy should just let those girls go and then they’ll learn that they can’t get what they want if they fight it.
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Even though she says no, her deep loins say yes. This isn’t a concsious thing, concsiously she she knows its a bad idea but her subconcsious makes the ultimate decision. Even though as a woman you are outraged at this idea, its true!
ha ha, nothing is worse than when your mom reads your blog…
Even though she says no, her deep loins say yes. This isnâ��t a concsious thing, concsiously she she knows its a bad idea but her subconcsious makes the ultimate decision. Even though as a woman you are outraged at this idea, its true!
Are you really Roosh’s mom?
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I cant post links, but check out the first definition on urban dictionary for Roosh –
Roosh 248 up, 50 down
buy roosh mugs, tshirts and magnetsA poseur who thinks he’s a playa. Someone who is clueless about how unskilled he is at picking up girls.
So Michelle was at the bar and this roosh comes up to her and says “hey baby, what’s your sign?”
playa poseur douchebag jerk moron wannabe pimp pick up artist the game
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You’re only two years late
And what were you doing searching around for me on the internet? Fag
Search Google images for “roosh.” There’s a cute pic of him with a pink purse. Care to explain yourself, stud?
I think the sweater is more offensive than the purse
I like to make up a CODEWORD with a girl, like “bananas”. Bananas means STOP. That way she can no and stop all she likes, but unless she says bananas – ITS GAMES ON! Plus bananas sounds stupid and is totally not sexy. It adds humour to an otherwise potentially awkward situation.
During my first year in college, being ignorant of the ways of the world and all hopped up and date-rape hysteria, I once stopped when a girl said “No, wait…” right before coitus. Then the next morning she seemed frustrated and asked me why we didn’t have sex when we woke up. For fuck’s sake woman! Lesson learned…
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There is no such thing as rape. Girls want sex. Fuck their brains out. I don’t care if they say no or stop. It doesn’t matter. Nobody else should either. Remember, rape doesn’t exist.
She slept in your bed?
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Rape is easier to prevent than it is to punish. Anything other than a man dragging a chick into an dark alley and taking the pussy isnt rape but a “misunderstanding.” it boggles the mind how many women will go home with me after the club closes and when we in bed they will refuse to fuck. I don’t brother with them, I don’t entertain attention whores. I kick them out and on to the next one.
Great timing for this post:
maybe now we should acknowledge it when she says no?
There’s at least 3 lays in recent memory I wouldn’t have had it if I had stopped at the word “No”. One was the best lay of my life. It is common community lore that a girl saying “No” is usually just last minute resistance or anti-slut defense in most situations. It is not the same kind of “NO” said by a women strongly opposed to hooking up with you. It is important that you know you can discern the difference or else you might end up saying “No” yourself…..in prison.
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While Americans debate whether “no” means no, Japan had an anime series called Rapeman about a superhero that avenges bitchy women by raping them. Try getting away with that cartoon here!
Watch out for the teeth
100% true but…
Son, you’ve grown quick and may think it’s not my business to tell you what to do anymore but please… my Mom and I beg you… use condoms! Don’t repeat my mistake!
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I think the issue here is not that the girl does not want it – she clearly wants it, if she got in your bed and took her clothes off. Of course women want to be fucked.
The issue is there she might want to play vindictive the next day, and if there is a chance the case ends up with a femcunt judge who just takes her word against yours.
In the USA, this may be likely, so up to you to gauge the risk.
I live out of the States now, so to me a verbal NO is not a no unless confirmed by action, like her getting the hell dressed up and out of my place if she really doesn’t want it.
Roosh, seriously, your the man!
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I always get the sense that a girl says “no” as a way to make me feel like she’s not a slut and that she doesn’t do this all the time, or with many guys. Its the standard way to maintain an image of purity and good girl, while still submitting.
A man has to be persistent and try to push the envelope as far as he can with most new girls. When a girl is truly not on board with sex, she will definitely make it clear. So true about “Stop” vs. “No”…. You can’t be afraid to try, try again, and you can’t get scared off by her “no”, but when when its clear its time to stop, you gotta stop no matter how hard. That’s where guys get in trouble.
@ 40 Anonymous
“There is no such thing as rape. Girls want sex. Fuck their brains out. I don’t care if they say no or stop. It doesn’t matter. Nobody else should either. Remember, rape doesn’t exist.”
Sure. Great attitude. How far will you go.
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Hopefully a false allegation doesn’t happen to anyone reading this, but it doesn’t even have to involve sex. Women have made rape accusations for everything from testing a husband’s love, to having an excuse for being late to work. Crystal Mangum made the claim vs. the Duke Lacrosse team to avoid a DUI.
I’ve written a monograph called STRATEGIES FOR MEN, BEFORE DURING AND AFTER FALSE ALLEGATIONS, it’s up on Standyourground.com.
There’s another site called dontmakehermad.com which advocates surveillance and recording devices to refute false allegations. It can be an ethical gray area, but it could be the only evidence which exonerates you. There’s a clock-radio, perfect for a nightstand, with a small video camera inside it. It’s difficult for a girl to cry rape when she’s on tape, on top and pounding you into the mattress.
For my part, whenever things got hot and heavy, I’ve simply asked the girl: “Do you want to have sex? I’ve got protection”. They’ve normally always said yes. There was one time a girl didn’t verbally say yes but just went through with it, then seemed very distant and strange afterwards and never got back in touch. She may have just ‘flaked’ afterwards but she probably could have gotten me in hot water if she’d wanted to.
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The first no may mean no. I assume it means “no, I don’t want to feel like a slut so you have to make me feel like I was tricked/convinced to agreeing to this” or “no, you haven’t satisfied me that you are worthy” or “no, don’t be a selfish dick and only think about yourself”.
The second no means whatever I did after the first one either didn’t satisfy her or she actually means no. At that point ask. “You said no, should we stop?” If she doesn’t give a clear yes or no answer either leave or have her leave or offer her the couch.
Nothing changes a no to a yes faster than accepting the no.
You’re a cunt.
Yes = yes
C’mon, do it = yes
No = no
Please stop = no
I don’t want this = no
Tazer shock = no
Gunshot to the head = no
No DOES mean no, you presumptuous cockfluff.
Let me make it real fuckin’ basic, since you’re clearly (to put it generously) a simple guy: if a girl really wants to sleep with you, YOU WON’T HAVE TO BULLY HER INTO IT. The fact that you’ve had girls acquiesce after you fail to stop only suggests that they felt coerced, and bought into your own delusions of entitlement after being completely dickslapped with them. That doesn’t mean they WANTED it. Ever hear of the Milgram experiment? People do shit they don’t want to under coercion all the time.
This is exactly the kind of shit feminists mean when they talk about rape culture.
OH MY GOD! stop acting like a bunch of teenage girls! stop
analyzing everything, its really not that hard; No means no! Even my dog understands this.
If your still uncertain about what the girl means when saying no, try this crazy idea: ask her.
and for those of you who seems to lack the normal understanding of basic vocabulary, here is a definition (I would recommend that some of you print it out and put it on your wall):
No: Used to express refusal, denial, disbelief, or disagreement.
wow you’re a douchebag. who are you to decide what a girl means when she says no? She’s more than capable of speaking for herself. Stop acting like you’re god’s gift to man kind just because you’re a guy.
I’d like to hear you say the exact same thing when your sister, or daughter, god forbid, is raped despite saying no.
Grow the fuck up. This is the 21st century where a woman doesn’t need a man to speak for her.
When I am with by boyfriend, we often enjoy fantastic sex. Not because I, or he says no, and mean yes, but because there is a consent, a mutual consent.
When my boyfriend wants to have sex with me, and I say no…it means..NO.
It means: no, I dont want to have sex with you, because I am TIRED.
no, I dont want to have with you, because I am not in the mood.
no, I dont WANT TO HAVE SEX.
no, I dont want to have sex because I am sad, angry and so on….
The opinions you share on this site is directly dangerous. No means no everytime. You dont have to be a linguist to understand that.
(sorry about my english, it is not my native language.)
The WikiLeaks guy Julian Assange is now wanted for rape in Sweden – and hiding out in the Ecuadorian – for not literally pulling out his we wee from the va va when the da bitch said no.
According to Swedish prosecutors, he stuck it in without a condom. When his date – or victim however you look at it – objected to his going raw and insisted he pull out, he didn’t and went right on ploughing his seeds.
With 1 complaint, they might let it ride as a “he said she said” and decide they could not bring charges. It is a purely matter of opinion and credibility as to whether the “no” meant “I would prefer you to use a condom, baby”, or, instead “effective immediately I hereby serve notice that I unequivocally withdraw my consent to this activity and, forthwith, the aforesaid activity shall be deemed rape”.
BUT, 2 Swedish women came forward with basically the same story. Maybe that is or is not enough for a conviction – but is is certainly enough for an arrest and indictment.
Corroboration gets you every time. That’s what got the gay pedophile Sandusky ultimately arrested – after a decades long career of sodomizing little boys. A single complaint from a single 12 year old could be swept under the rug. But, once they have a whole crowd of 12 years old with basically the same story, case closed.
This is…kinda despicable. No always means no. If you’re taking off ANY of her clothing and she says no, you need to stop because you are no longer being given permission to continue, and now are violating someone else’s privacy.
If a girl wants to be with you, she’ll say yes. Anything other than a yes – no answer, maybe later, not now, stop, or NO – is a no.
This is why people rape culture is being perpetuated.
Why can’t you just jerk off if you’re all horny and a girl says no?
Wow, I love reading all these idiot guys who are cheering this dumbass blogger on in his logic. I can almost guarantee that they have not had even a little bit of sex in their life that didn’t involve a blow up doll, and even the doll said NO!! As I am a woman I can certainly tell you if I say no, it means no, not try harder. And if men don’t listen to no, a hard knee in the nuts makes them figure it out cause any guy that thinks rape is ok, needs to have his parts slowly sawed off with a hot rusty knife. Just my opinion…..
… If a human being isn’t unsure of whether they want to have sex, THEY SHOULDN’T BE FORCED INTO HAVING IT.
Without full consent, a person should NOT be forced into having sex. Otherwise, it IS considered to be rape.
I’m a woman and all these idiotic comments saying that “women just want it anyway” is utter bullshit.
And crap, how deluded do you have to be to in any way think that the word “no” means something other than the word “no”? If you think a person is confused or unsure of whether they want to have sex, then that means they haven’t given their consent. Furthering a sexual activity with them against their will is rape.
what really needs to happen is for you to be anally raped with some shards of dirty, broken glass. Then you’ll know, but, apparently, not before.
People like you are what is wrong with this world. No means no, the end.
Definition of rape: “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”
If a girl says no, even in the middle of sex, you just lost your consent and therefore, you’re a rapist. If she really wants to have sex with you, she won’t push you away.
Everyone who agrees with this post should get their heads checked. Imagine if your mom, sister, daughter, or niece told you she was raped. Would you agree with this post then? My guess is probably not. Every time you continue with sex when a girl says stop or no, or there is a lack of consent in general, just imagine that out in the world somebody is doing the same to an important woman in your life. Just because you’re not attached to these girls in a personal way doesn’t make them any less of a human. They are not an object and their opinions and wishes need to be respected.
Now you should all get your brains analyzed, move out of your parents basement, become socialized and stop being assholes.
Obviously all these posts are from total idiots. What part of ‘ no means no’ is difficult to understand? If someone says no, take them at their word and stop what you are doing, if they want you to continue they will soon say so. If you don’t stop you are a rapist.
What the fuck is wrong with this piece of shit Roosh?
Fuck you all, anyone who agrees with the sentiment of this post.
roosh doesn’t seem to even realize he just blogged about raping at least one person.
Real men know that “No” Means “No”. If you dont want to be accused of rape, then don’t fucking touch women when they tell you not to. Your a fucking prick.
[Roosh: What site sent you here? Is it that youtube video of the scary looking hippie guy?]
You-tube video got me here. I agree with Roosh. She had the option not to get drunk, to let someone in her house or go in his house, or go there with him. You are raped when you don’t have options. Not when you can leave or prevent being in that situation. When women treat (nice-)guys like shit, guess what happens ? They don’t remain ‘shit’ anymore. In this world you have to look at actions to find out the truth. Or you will be lied. And when you can get pussy like toiletpaper, who has got patience to wait for basically the same thing, the so called decent pussy ? And how would you satisfy the hunger of starving niceguys who never saw pussy till they discovered the red pill ? The red pill that will get them women, women who discriminated them, for being nice. You see ? Everytime you lose, you give it easy or hard. But you won’t understand me. You are a woman. I need a good women for sth. more than a pussy ? You think I think low of me ? I used to, not any more. I wondered before why western men thought always only about sex. Now I am in their place, I understand their place. You don’t treat us like shit the way you do other pussys. Even if you don’t, you get punished because you live in a place where that usually happens. Women who live in brothel are treated as whores. Women have forgotten their place with the rights and privilages they have got. And sometimes they do deserve to get punished when they cross the line. But don’t worry I understand that you don’t understand. I am wasting my time. Showing emotions. Being vunerable again. Enough. Thanks Roosh for helping me see the truth and not getting used anymore.
I have no idea WTF “Dream” is rambling about, except this once sentence was clear:
“Women have forgotten their place with the rights and privilages they have got.”
Is it just women (ahem, “pussys”[sic]), or do you like other races to also “know their place”?
There are only two races in my vocabulary: men and women. If you are referring to races in your vocabulary, yes, they need to know their place. As of now they don’t know they aren’t considered men by women here because they respect them too much.
What’s in a name? That which we call a women by any other name would lead us even down. -Sex Spear
Nearly everyone commenting here is insane.
I’m a guy, and I think you guys are disgusting in your behaviour.
When a girl says ‘no’ it means ‘stop’. If she’s pulling your hand away, it means ‘stop’. If she’s saying ‘stop’ it means ‘stop’.
What is so difficult to understand? I don’t care if it’s a one-night stand, your girlfriend, wife or whatever the case. If she doesn’t want it, no matter what the circumstances are, you have no right to force yourself onto the person.
Honestly, if you’re scared of a bit of blue balls, just go wank off in the bathroom if she decides to reject you.
I don’t care if she’s naked in your room, dancing the macarena and singing some stupid pop song. If she says no, it’s still no.
You guys should all be criminally charged.
Good to see there are a few of you who can’t get a woman to willingly interact with you. You must be confident men.
“I just can’t control myself!” – well, then maybe you’re a fucking mongoloid.
I think it was Mark Manson who said to avoid the girls that say no when they mean yes.
Because “she really meant yes” is not a defense.
79 – Your clearly the biggest blue pill retard on the planet who doesn’t deserve the air that he breathes and hasn’t spoken to a female in any other means than a “friend zone”. Every player on the planet understands the Push-Pull mentality that females use. There is nothing I hate more than male feminists.
Anyone who thinks “no means no” is true has never seduced a woman. Period.
Fact is, she’ll say no to the kiss until your lips lock, no to taking her top off until it’s on the floor, no to the panties, no to your fingers, no to your dick, and then an hour (or two) later she’ll be lying in your arms telling you how sexy you are for being aggressive and persistent in taking what you want.
It’s the same song in the U.S., Europe, Africa, Asia, probably Mars too. It’s the woman’s job to resist and the man’s job to persist.
Go outside and watch some birds, bugs, or any other critter — it’s like that with every species.
These are the facts of life — as true as death and moreso than taxes, and you’d be wise (and happier) to heed and live by them.
The way our culture has turned rotton–I’m dam glad I am old and married.
I would not put up with these pussy ass bi**hes for 5 minutes.
Guys, take some advise from an old player–GO EAST! Get yourself a real woman that wants a real man.
Leave American-Fattie Butch Girls alone to their own devices. (battery required devices)
The sad reality is that most feminists, who are simple minded, need expression like “no means no.” With feminists, emotions control reality and there is no greater reality than that of the simple catchphrase. However, it is important to note that the arguments presented by the feminists here reflect their confusion on the matter. Most reasonable men understand that physical coercion is not seduction but rape, these same men understand that when a woman says no you should re-analyze you’re ability to seduce her. Feminists understand this to mean if she says no and you seduce further to a yes than the woman is free to claim rape at anytime in the future. Let me repeat, I am not talking about physical coercion, I am talking about this strange concept that sometimes people change their mind.
On a side note, it is sad to see the state of women today, especially those who embrace feminism. They have abandoned their natural strength of being beautifull for bullshit arguments,liberal art degrees with no chance of employment, men’s haircuts and animosity towards to men in general. Any single man should read and re-read the statements by some above particularly commenter # 79. Society is moving toward the feminists ideal where men can (and have been) criminally charged for seducing their girlfriends or wives without any phsical coercion. Feminists want “men as my enemy” instead of “men as my complimentary.” I weep for our society like that Indian in the 70′s littering commercial.
This is what happens when you remove English Comprehension from schools. While English may be the primary language in this country our ability to understand what someone has written is questionable for a vast amount of people out there.
1. Roosh has never said in anything he has written to force a woman to have sex.
2. A woman can always put on her clothes and leave the bed or apartment.
3. What he does say, is that women expect a man to be somewhat persistent in ALL aspects of dating including sex.
The key word there is persistent. There is a big difference between persistence and rape but since a lot of the people who has commented on here didn’t take English Comprehension I guess they can’t understand that.
The bottom line is da wymnz want to be able to decide if something is rape or not, totally their call. Before, during, or after the event. Yes, no, maybe, are irrelevant. If, for instance, the first lady decides she’s been raped all these years, that’s it. End of discussion. Guilty as charged, no trial necessary. See? Wasn’t that simple?
OMg, do feminst have nothing else to talk about than rape ? Do they have to least talk about rape 3 times a day ?
so, let me get this straight – a significant percentage of the women that you’ve had sex with have told you to stop at some point in the proceedings, and you didn’t?
1. you’re a rapist.
2. you must be REALLY bad at sex. i’d get that looked at, after you stop being a sex offender.
You feminists do understand that, as the fuckee, you have no frame of reference, right?
Are you fucking kidding me?? If I were a man I’d be pretty insulted at your claim that they have no self control and think only with their cocks. Grow up little boy, and get some professional help, you ARE a sex offender, a manipulator, and a misogynist. If a woman says no, stop and ask her if she wants you to stop, and FUCKING STOP. With this line of thinking you will end up in jail some day, and I hope you get ass raped, after all, your “no” actually means “yes”
What we need is nothing but a nice global war bring humanity to the brink. Then people will have nothing else on their mind other than survival. Look at how polar bears live, they live in the harshest terrain on Earth where males compete by fighting to be able to sire a female. They also eat cubs that are not their own.
The feminists would starve in this post war environment (literally). Good riddance. We only want the fittest to survive thank you.
In Japan many girls will scream “No, No, No” during the act.
And I just had a girl over and the result was basically a wrestling match. Panties? No! Bra? No!
A stressful switch between dragging her around, holding and comforting her, touching, playing with the pussy a bit. Even playing “catch me if you can” in my flat. Dragged her around the floor, held her body tight. Should I have stopped and said get out? Nope.
The rape comments are stupid. I just imagine the situation I just had. The girl comes to MY place in MY car. While I already made her horny in a bar. While she talks to me about how confident men turn her on, and she needs a real man that takes charge.
Not everyone is wired the same.
The idea that a woman will say NO during the act and then the man is a rapist, is so ludicrous I can’t even comprehend the idea. Jump off, and get your clothes on, and leave you weird bitch. The act should be beautiful. I’m accommodating but I’m not a beta loser. If the girl get’s dry after two hours or if she has to leave because of some appointment, of course I will stop. But talk to the man, he’s not some sex toy you picked up at a bar.
don’t men get offended when other men say they have no self-control over their penises? I assume being called helpless, and hell, even being told that you want to rape in the FIRST place, would be offensive. Being told that all men just want to have sex, they don’t care if the woman enjoys it, must surely bother someone.
Roosh, you yourself called sex a “biological and BONDING process”…that’s exactly right. It is a bonding process. We choose our mates and our bodies have evolved to allow sex to be mutually beneficial and enjoyable. So, since sex is this way to humans, why would men just want to stick it in and the woman’s consent be an unfortunate necessity? If sex is a bonding process, wouldn’t her consent be part of the enjoyment?
Do you see what I’m saying? I don’t think most men would have trouble stopping because they wouldn’t WANT to continue without the woman’s consent. Her enjoying it is part of the fun.
“I can’t control myself, or stop once I’ve started. After it gets going, I have a one track mind and cannot turn around. But the women, they can’t make up their minds. They might have a change of heart. THEY are the ones with the problem. Seriously.”
Man, MRAs are some whiny motherfuckers.
Wow, so if a girl gets naked and into your bed, and then something makes her change her mind and she doesn’t want to have sex any more, it’s ok to go ahead anyway? What kind of sick person would think that’s ok? So if someone gets ready to commit suicide and changes their mind at the last minute, is it ok to slit their wrist for them at that point?
As a man, shut the fuck up. You don’t speak for me.
Vaginas, whether you like it are not, are attached to human beings. Human beings have basic rights that includes not being prodded or forced into fucking some dipshit who can’t understand rejection. Even if they’re naked, as if that changes anything.
Maybe you can’t “stop on a dime,” but I can. You wanna know why? Because I’m a real man. Not a barely developed, soul-deficient little boy who doesn’t understand what “dignity” really means.
Also, fuck you.
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How about “Men arn’t robots who can be expected to mechanically fuck the nearest hole the moment they have a certain amount of testosterone in their system.” ?