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so, what redeeming qualities does this girlfriend of yours have?

given your last point, i’m going to assume, or at least hope, that she pays some or all of your bills. otherwise, what’s the point?

eddie murphy said it best, having sex these days is like throwing your dick on the craps table. why take the power to protect yourself out of your own hands?

Exactly

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going back to the post.
If you do not care about if she is having a orgasm or not, why would you bother if decides do not tell you about having a baby, except if the girl in question it’s your cute next door, you wont be able to find out about it.

Better for you, right?

Not to beat a dead horse, but IVF is necessary because we need PGD, according to two reproductive endocrinologists. We’ve been pregnant twice through IUI, but his sperm and my egg do not produce good embryos. So we need selective implantation. I’ve been tested for every possible known defect, and come out clean as a whistle. Our problem is in his count/morph.

My original contention was against the insinuation that massive numbers of women are getting pregnant so they can be showered with attention and gifts. I just don’t believe that. I think women want to experience pregnancy and childbirth because it’s a natural urging. The other couples I know who have struggled with infertility would sign a contract today that they’d never get a single baby gift and have to live in solitary confinement for the next 9 months if they could have a succesful pregnancy. Women got pregnant and loved their babies before baby showers existed.

And my husband and I are still happy. We love life and each other, and we will no matter what route we take to create our family.

31. anonymous/ Rajia?

1. I never said wanting your own DNA is wrong. We were discussing motivation for getting pregnant/having a baby. You were reluctant to agree that people can have a whole lot of different motivations. I have not said any one motivation is good or bad.

2. I didn’t say attempting IVF was right or wrong. What I said was that after a REASONABLE period of time and intervention, if a couple couldn’t get pregnant and wanted a child they would adopt.

3. If, as you claim, you are not infertile, then why would you need IVF? You would only need IUI or ICI. Much cheaper. Like $2-4k.

4. Of course I would assume a blind person would attempt to regain vision, but that same person at some point has to accept their lot in life or they will be miserable/unhappy/unsatisfied until a cure is found.

A person can wallow in misery or come to terms with their burden and decide to be happy despite it.

Who said we had done IVF? If we don’t have the money to do adoption, we certainly don’t have the money for IVF. I’m not looking for sympathy. I’m essentially anonymous anyway so what good would it do me. I just think it’s sad that wanting to have a child has somehow become a “bad” thing among a certain, fairly identifiable group of people. And that people really believe some of the crap they’ve posted here.

you’re really acting like theres no risk of having an emotionally damaged child from your own gene pool…sorry but like the dude above said, if IVF doesnt work for ya, you’re not gonna be able to have a kid, no matter how much internet sympathy you garner. Adopt a kid, change a life. I witnessed a civl war as a 5 yr old and wuz pretty screwed up emotionally. After adoption, my new family has changed my life and now i’m doing fine.

JM – I guess my question is – what is wrong with that? What is wrong with wanting to give my husband a child with his DNA? What is wrong with wanting to experience pregnancy and giving birth? It’s a natural function of womanhood. I’m not sure why this is considered selfish. Do you think if there was a procedure to allow a blind person to see, they wouldn’t find a way to do it at all cost? Do you really think that? Or should they just “get over it” and accept their lot in life.

You also understand that adopting a foster child can mean adopting a child with a host of issues beyond normal childhood issues.

By the way, if anyone in your family or group of friends ever suffers from infertility, I would hope you have something more constructive to say to them than “get over it”. Otherwise my guess is you’ll soon lose that person in your life.

Rajia: By your reasoning, the only people who should procreate are those who accidentally get knocked up and don’t want their kids and shove them off onto society? The rest of us who are in a place where we can provide for our own family should just take care of their mistakes?

No Rajia. He’s saying get over it. If you can’t get pregnant, adopt. FYI, a lot of states, like North Carolina, will allow you to adopt a state ward for FREE. The states will cover ALL costs.

Everyone has their cross to bear. Blind people will NEVER see a color, the ocean, their own face. Deaf people will NEVER hear music. Kids with all sorts of nasty diseases will die NEVER knowing what it is like to be an adult, be independent, be healthy.

If you want a child so that you can have a family, there are solutions, FREE solutions. But if you are hung up on giving your husband a child with his DNA, you have a different motivation going, don’t you? That’s the point.

I’m not infertile. My husband is. But WE are infertile as a couple.

I don’t have an agenda. I just don’t understand when it became passe to want a family, or to want to be a good woman who takes care of her good, respectful husband. To be in a happy marriage where both parties contribute financially, emotionally, etc. When did it become a violation of the hipster constitution to want stability and love in your life? It’s just sad for me to see.

By your reasoning, the only people who should procreate are those who accidentally get knocked up and don’t want their kids and shove them off onto society? The rest of us who are in a place where we can provide for our own family should just take care of their mistakes?

Scottie – I can understand why a woman would have a child and not tell the father, if she really wanted the kid and didn’t want to deal with some jerk trying to pressure her into aborting. I don’t think men can really understand the connection a woman feels to a life that is growing inside of her.

Also, as an FYI – I spent the majority of my early 20s ragging on women with children, marriage, etc. I swore I’d never get married, and never have kids. Then one day I grew up. So don’t think for a second that because your girlfriend today bitches about pregnant women and calls them trailer trash that she won’t want it someday too.

Forgive me if I’m being naive, but why the HELL would a woman go through the entire process of actually bearing a child and willingly NOT tell the father?

I understand why girls would get an abortion and not tell the guy. But having a child? The reasoning behind that one is lost on me.

I am in the safest possible rawdog relationship:

a. My girlfriend is in college for a bio-engineering degree. She is very smart, and very career minded. Her whole life revolves around upward-mobility.

b. She is also an extreme left-winger …. almost in caricature really. She vocally rages against children, marriage, and families. She mocks women with children as trailer trash. Especially young women. She doesn’t leave any ambiguity …. she would not hesitate to abort.

c. I’m totally broke, I have never had a job in my whole life. I give blood and do occasional studies at the local university to make ends meet, and sleep on a mattress on the floor in a $50 per month rented room.

Needless to say I spunk inside and use no birth control. I’ll leave it up to her.

vital information for your everyday life. nice work roosh

I agree w/ Chill out. some of us are born infertile, some of us get childhood leukemia or Cystic Fibrosis. It’s the way life is. Adopt a kid, it’s the easiest thing an american can do. No matter how poor you are, there’s a kid in uganda/china/nicaragua that would love to live with you in America.

yo Rajia, chill out. go find some “repeal roe vs. wade” site to grind out ur agenda. i’m sorry ur infertile but that’s just a roll of genetics/god. I agree it is genetically natural to want to procreate but it’s also culturally natural for a man to want to control his destiny. Advice for you guys wrap it up. Theres nothing worse than having a kid you don’t want. I know, the kid could grow up to cure cancer, but it’s more like he grows up to just be another screwed up kid w/ a single mom, raised to hate his dad who didnt wear a condom one night hahah. awful

Raija,

It took till 1900 for the world to hit the first billion in population. It is now just a century later and we’re heading toward 7 billion. I don’t think there’s any shortage of people on the planet. If anything there’s way too much procreating going on.

Which point am I proving? That it is normal to want to procreate? In case you hadn’t figured it out, species that don’t procreate cease to exist. I’m not sure where the problem is with that natural, carnal desire.

Some people also do not have the thousands and thousands, usually tens of thousands of dollars on hand that it costs to adopt.

Now if you could kindly tell me what the point of your point was, and how it relates to what Roosh has posted, or my point that some people get pregnant because they want a baby, not because they want to trap a man.