Women Who Become Bitter And Jaded

Why do people harden as they age? Why do they become bitter and jaded? The simple answer is to avoid pain. By forming a rigid shell, a person can avoid experiencing the same pain they’ve felt in the past.

Imagine that a girl falls in love with a football jock in college. She fucks him on the first date, thinking that he liked her. Afterwards she contacts him to say what a great time she had. He doesn’t respond, and ignores her when they cross paths in public. The next time she has a wild night with a man, she will be hesitant to compliment him or express her gratitude. She’ll pretend that she’s not at all that interested in him in the first place.

Now imagine that a guy meets a girl in a bar. They have an amazing four-hour conversation where it turns out that they share a lot of things in common. To prepare for the first date, he researches restaurants on the internet, hoping that his selection will provide the perfect environment to create a magical spark. On the day of the date, after reservations have been made and his outfit selected, she cancels with a lame excuse and disappears. Five years later, he considers all women in bars and clubs to be sluts.

Rejections in dating cause both men and women to change. They begin to withhold displays of emotion, compassion, or interest. This is especially severe in women, who are emotional by nature. You can argue that a man not being emotional or sensual is just a man being a man, but a woman doing the same turns her autistic. A man’s coping mechanism to rejection causes him to be more masculine, but a woman’s coping mechanism to rejection also causes her to be more masculine, a trait that decreases her ability to make men happy. Other negative qualities also take hold in her…

  • She is slower to open in any conversation
  • She distrusts men
  • She is less willing to put work in new relationships
  • She cares less if men think she’s beautiful or not
  • She unnaturally restrains her natural interest in men
  • She learns how to make a “bitch face” while in public, a frown that makes it seem as if she’s constantly smelling something bad

What women don’t understand is that by trying to avoid pain, they also eliminate the pleasure that precludes that pain, those positive feelings that are part of any budding love affair. By tossing the baby out with the bath water, all that’s left is a watered down version of both extremes: relationships engulfed in mediocrity, indifference, and vague disappointment.

While guys do this as well, it’s to a lesser degree. Women grown in the wild go from being 100% sensual to 10% sensual after five years of Western-style nonstop dating. Men go from being 30% sensual to 10%. In essence, men are going half retard while women are going full retard. I can’t say I’ve even gone half retard, even with the billions of rejections I have faced from women in my life. I don’t fantasize about a girl when I’m not in her presence, but when she’s in front of me I dive into the experience fully.

I encountered a fork in the road when I was around 25, four years after I started learning game. One side said “Bitterness (low pain and pleasure)” while the other said “Keeping it real (pain and pleasure).” I took the latter path. I leave myself open with no shield because I want to experience emotional pleasure, one of the best things about being human. Unfortunately, unless the woman I’m with has the same mindset, no emotional connection will result, with the ensuing relationship remaining purely sexual, satisfactory but not spectacular. In a modern world where everyone is ready to withdraw into their turtle shell at the slightest hint of pain, finding emotional connection is becoming increasingly difficult, and maybe even futile.

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  • Vicious

    “A man’s coping mechanism to rejection causes him to be more masculine”

    If only that was the case…
    I’ve seen men cry in public and settle for pigs because due to being dumped. *shudder*

    And then there’s the guys that due to being rejected become the type trying desperately to be anti-titjobs, respectful, sensitive and compliant hoping it will help him score.

    None of this especially masculine.

    The rest of the post is on the money though. Few things can hold you back more than being bitter. The worst state I’d wish on an enemy would be for them to pity themselves, it is the most unproductive state you can fall into and everything set back will carry you further down the void.

  • Vicious

    Meant to write “every set back” above.

  • http://thesoloist1.wordpress.com/ Solo

    Dear Roosh and Readers and Commentators

    Right now what we are witnessing with Roosh is an evolution like no other, I think it’s safe to say that Roosh has reached such a new plateau-a level of understanding with women and social dynamics that He is on a path to enlightenment.This post is surreal. It articulates some of the stuff I’ve been seeing/thinking/noticing myself but which I’m unable to explain for my mastery with words are that of child while Roosh’s writes like one our forefathers fromt he old tiems(with simplicity yet deep wisdom). I’ve only seen this with another guy before and his name is Pook.

    In terms of this post, he is telling the truth, the more women get screwed over, dicked down, the more cold they become. This is why “Women are the new Men, and men are the new women”. Women are starting to encompass the traits of men. While men are rocking skinny jeans, and singing to Justin Bieber and becoming more feminine

    Great job Roosh

    Sollie

  • http://johnnyshornofplenty.wordpress.com/ Johnny Milfquest

    That’s a good analysis.

    The thing that inspired me to study Game was ONE rejection that hurt like hell.

    But now its no big deal. I’ve accepted that half the fucking world is female and I don’t need ONE PARTICULAR woman to like me.

  • http://theprivateman.wordpress.com The Private Man

    “In a modern world where everyone is ready to withdraw into their turtle shell at the slightest hint of pain, finding emotional connection is becoming increasingly difficult, and maybe even futile.”

    This isn’t new. In the 1970s before AIDS and herpes, there was tremendous emotional dissatisfaction with the dating scene. There was lots of bed hopping and alpha men cleaned up with the new sexually liberated generation of young women.

    This was the era of the “zipless fuck” and Erica Jong’s book, Fear of Flying. The Baby Boomers were getting their grove on yet there was a lot of hand-wringing because of the lack of emotional commitment going on.

    But with herpes, then AIDs, and the Baby Boomers getting older, the singles scene quieted down a bit leaving people like me just coming of age in a curious moment in our society’s sexual landscape. We wanted the sexual freedom but were scared shitless.

    We’ve returned to a 1970s era-style of sexual behavior.

  • http://asdf@asdf.com asdf@asdf.com

    I have a great emotional connection with my girlfriend ,who is a nurse. Honestly , sometimes I realize just how much work it is (for example, de-escalating arguments with humor, etc) But for me , and my personality, it’s been worth it.

    First I’d say any guys, work on yourselves and any baggage if you’ve got it. This is not a domain exclusive to women.

    And also:

    I’d suggest anyone looking to find a girlfriend of the type who is ‘emotionally open’ look towards women in ‘feminine’ professions which involve taking care of lots of different kinds of people (nurse, teacher, etc)…

    In my experience, these sorts of women (nurse, teacher, daycare, homeless activist, vet tech, etc) tend to be MUCH more emotionally available and healthy than other types (lawyer, NGO monkey, etc).

    -Asdf

  • Opportunist

    I really liked this post man. There’s a great quote by C.S. Lewis that encapsulates your point about pain.

    “The pain I feel now is the happiness I had before. That’s the deal.”

  • Anonymous

    Roosh, I don’t mean to be mean but obviously for any woman to open up to YOU would be plain stupid. What exactly have you got to offer that a decent woman wants. Faithfulness? Loyalty? A family? No, just sex and fun – that might be your priority but not a woman’s if she’s an ordinary emotional vulnerable woman. And that’s what you’re demanding? Clearly that’s self-contradictory

  • Anonymous

    And I know for sure you’re never going to allow yourself to connect with any girl for serious because you called David Deangelo a hypocrite for getting married, so I guess that’s the standard you’re applying to yourself

  • zigzag

    This recent post has a connection to your other post regarding the destruction of man – the technological world aint helping. Women don’t really care for men if you read Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar – but todays global village with iphones, social networking technology and gynocentric culture todays female are completely fragmented bitch faced zombies. Emotional connections between men and women are a thing of the past.

  • Anonymous

    excellent article but a great paradox game and alphas create a cycle of damage that comes back to bite everyone

  • http://gameforomegas.wordpress.com Omega Man

    This is a terrible burden for a lot of people. It’s bad enough if you start out with a good state of mental and social health. But a lot of men and women or boys and girls don’t.

  • http://taoofdirt.wordpress.com Dirt Man

    Just want to say that this is totally awesome man. These are thoughts that many of us have, but you have put it down so clearly and succinctly. Kudos.

  • http://gravatar.com/dadasays A.B. Dada

    That’s why a guy like me, who isn’t a PUA, still supports game mastery for every Harry, Dick and Tom…

    When you learn “game”, you learn the ways that a new gal can disqualify herself — sometimes within 30 minutes of meeting her. It happens to me constantly, whether or not I’m in a relationship of value — a pretty, slim, energetic gal who seems to be interesting does a few little things that open her 500-page-long-APPEARING book and shows it to be mostly blank pages with just ugly images on the printed pages.

    Remember: if all you want is a hook up, that empty/ugly book is just fine. If you want to find someone who takes care of some of your needs more efficiently than you do (excitement is a form of efficiency, too), you’ll probably want a gal who is ahead of the pack of most of her friends.

    There’s a big difference between promiscuity-seekers and need-seekers who have a grasp of what they truly want out of the opposite sex. Are they looking to fill up a dark hole, or are they actually looking to see how this particular key-lock combination fits and operates?

    Great post, Roosh — you always surprise me with some of the most on-target deciphering of the “war” between man and woman.

  • Juhana

    Quote: “I leave myself open with no shield because I want to experience emotional pleasure, one of the best things about being human.”

    Best thing you’ve written yet, man. Ever.

  • http://thequestfor50.wordpress.com Dagonet

    This is why I date 18-year-olds.

  • Timothy

    So true. A mutual distrust has developed between men and women, with each manuevering to mitigate what they believe will be inevitable disappointment. It’s funny, because I tell women this all the time when they whine about being hurt before – you have to be willing to risk that hurt to be happy. EVERYONE has their own story about how they were hurt or disappointed. If you don’t have a story, you’ve never jumped in and actually tried to have a relationship with the opposite sex. If you’re going to constantly be on your guard with every man that comes at you, because years ago you felt like you got burned, you’ll be continually spinning your wheels, and you’ll NEVER experience happiness again. Women want all of these guarantees going in, while they expect men to go purely on faith.

  • Anonymous

    …excellent article but a great paradox game and alphas create a cycle of damage…

    One slight flaw with your analysis:

    Women CHOOSE to be with these alpha alley cats.

    Since women are the gatekeepers of sex, they are the one’s *primarily responsible* for all of the fallout from such ‘relationships’ – be it heartbreak, ‘unwanted’ pregnancies, etc.

    Women and their mangina girlfriends ain’t foolin anyone here.

  • Anonymous

    …because I tell women this all the time when they whine about being hurt before – you have to be willing to risk that hurt to be happy

    Women want all of these guarantees going in, while they expect men to go purely on faith.

    Part of the problem is that too many women – especially of the ‘Anglosphere’ (AmeriKwan and especially British) are narcissistic cowards right down to the marrow of their (arthritic) bones.

  • Anonymous

    Sad, but Great post.

  • samseau

    I think a big reason women become bitter is because when they get screwed over by men, it’s a huge loss on their part. Women have, what, 6-8 years in their prime?

    Men, on the other hand, have at least twice as many prime years, anywhere from 15-20 years to find a good mate. A man getting rejected means shit when you have so much time.

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  • pepini

    Again Roosh points it right. It´s becoming a fucked up world. Distrust is more and more prevalent. Mentally it´s exausting.

    We all live in shells. Like fucking robots without emotions.

    Recently I heard a girl telling me this:

    “My father abandoned my mother after 20 years of marriage. She discovered he was having an affair, but forgave him anyway. But still he letf us. After she had passed the last 20 years cooking, cleaning and ironing his shirts. I will never be like that.”

    At this time and this may sound betish, but I really felt like smacking the litle fucker. He had a nice family could bang girls on the side and still abandoned is entire family.

    The trauma of abandon is becoming more prevalent in society, and as times passes more and more generations of traumatized people will exist, till we all become numb to feelings and robots.

    Thankfully the US will crumble before this shit arrives to Europe.

  • http://www.thesolomonpress.com Samuel

    I will never allow any woman to turn me bitter.

    I am in control of that, and people who get bitter and cold to avoid pain are fearful butt-hurt pussies.

    I take my pain like a man, and I keep my heart and mind OPEN. I’m not going to let anyone ruin me.

    I manage my expectations and ego so that when and if things go bad, I pat them on the ass and keep rolling. I care, and I love, but I don’t kill myself just because of heartbreak. I don’t need to cry to mommy, I don’t need to hate on chicks for being chicks, and I don’t need a heart of stone to cope. I don’t give people that kind of power over me. Love them when they’re here, miss them when they’re gone, keep being the awesome ME that I was all along.

    Good post Roosh.

  • Anonymous

    I think a big reason women become bitter is because when they get screwed over by men, it’s a huge loss on their part.

    ‘Screwed over’ by men that T.H.E.S.E W.O.M.E.N C.H.O.S.E.

  • Jay Gatsby

    “I leave myself open with no shield because I want to experience emotional pleasure, one of the best things about being human.”

    There is an enormous difference between this and allowing yourself to be manipulated. Game allows you to do two things: (1) manipulate women, and (2) avoid being manipulated by women. It is both a sword and shield, but is brought out only when needed. Game is needed only when a woman is unable or unwilling to recognize the prize that is the man before her.

  • http://ophoopvanzegen@blogspot.com Joost

    Call me a masochist, but the periods after a breakup or rejection are amongst my most lucid ones.

    I don’t like feeling bad, but I do enjoy the intensity of feeling at those times. And Roosh: Awesome post man. I’ve been hovering on your site for quite a while now and it is exactly this personal type of writing like this that makes you a good blogger.

  • blake

    These offhand observations you post are actually more profound (both psycjhologically and philosophically) than just about anything else out there right now. Keep up the good work – you’ve really taken your game up several notches of late and i’m guessing you have some real timeless literature ahead of you

  • Black Rebel

    Another winner, Roosh.

    The same fire that burns women to a crisp, forges a man into steel.

    (Roosh: Unless the man is beta to start with, then he turns crispy as well.)

  • (r)Evoluzione

    Great post, Roosh.

    My quest lately, like that of AB’s, above, is to create solid connections emotionally, and to avoid the “pump & dump.” My goals are to be as honest as possible, to be charming and gracious, and to keep these girls as friends after we’ve done the deed. They can become a regular on the rotation, or just remain friends. So far, of the last 10 women I’ve been with, I’m maintaining great relationships with over half. We may not hang out often, but when we do, it’s fun and chill, and I get a ton of DHV out of it. In fact, it’s led to more interest and has led to several great additional connections.

    The interesting thing is, I believe I’ve seen a lot less bitterness creep in from these girls. I don’t just drop them from my life, I’ll return a phone call, email, or text, even if it takes a few days. If she indicates a desire to hook up again, I may entertain the notion if I’m feeling it.

    You can be a solid winner with women, have variety, and still keep them as friends. It’s amazing what honesty, compassion, and charisma can do.

  • d

    Did Roosh just describe about 90% of the Black female population in America ??

  • http://asdf@asdf.com asdf@asdf.com

    “The same fire that burns women to a crisp, forges a man into steel.”

    This is only partially correct in my opinion.

    The more partners one has, the more one’s ability to form long-term bonds are impaired. Yes, I agree it effects men much less than women, but the effect is there for both sexes.

    For men, a few bad burns of rejection in relationships can make a man’s character stronger (and teach a man to learn exactly what he wants and needs out of life).

    But to say you can act narcissistically /psychopathically (disregarding human relationships in favor of purely sexual ones for 15 to 20 years) without an impact on your personality is nonsense.

    Acting psychopathically/narcissistically is SIGNIFICANTLY more severe in its effects on women, but ALSO effects men as well — particularly if you are not actually a narcissist or psychopath.

    To say that “I’m a SUPER KEWL PUA , aND I can be a serial monogomist /pump-and-dump artist for 20 years and HAVE NO ADVZRESE EFFCTZ!! ” — This is nonsense. Some personalities will be more impacted by this behavior, some less so, but 20 years of this behavior WILL have an impact on your psyche even if you are a macho natural ‘alpha’. To think otherwise is naive at best, and delusional at worst. Be realistic.

    The “best” arrangement for a man are healthy relationships with a stable, grounded, clever, and beautiful women , with tacit approval for ‘look the other way’ tail on the side.

    Unless you are psychopathic , all humans need some both stabilizing forces and fulfilling relationships in their lives.

    To claim otherwise is not only delusional, it plays right into the hands of the forces which intend to destroy and break up society via. methods of divide and conquer between men and women.

    Don’t play into the hands of the rules of society — follow your own path. THAT is what ultimately makes a man. It begins with individual thought and personal agency/autonomy, rather than blind groupthink to the status quo.

    “I suggest you read more of Huxley’s writings and those of Bertrand Russell, who himself was given a royal license to operate special schools where he conducted experiments on children. He encouraged them to have pre-pubertal sex, with no inhibitions and with as many partners, of either sex, as possible. The goal was to discover how to break down the natural bonds between mating adults, ie life partners. He accomplished his mission and we can see the results of this today in our society with mass sexual promiscuity and the promotion, through the media, mainly music, TV and cinema of the sexualisation of children whereby they want do dress like their ‘celebrity’ icons.”

    http://www.sovereignindependent.com/?p=5758

  • Theodora

    @asdf.com
    Totally accurate comment, I agree 99.9% (didn’t like the “looking the other way” part!)–and the LULZ part was hilarious! :)

    This is a great start for anyone interested: http://russell.cool.ne.jp/beginner/COH-TEXT.HTM

  • Theodora

    forgot to note that Russell married 4 times, had 3 kids, and was the legal guardian of his son’s 3 daughters..An overall amazing person, and I hope people get to read his work..

    And again, let me emphasize on how much I agree with this sentence: “Some personalities will be more impacted by this behavior, some less so, but 20 years of this behavior WILL have an impact on your psyche even if you are a macho natural ‘alpha’. To think otherwise is naive at best, and delusional at worst. Be realistic.”

    I hope you’re reading this Roosh! Sorry for re-commenting..

  • Anonymous

    “I don’t fantasize about a girl when I’m not in her presence, but when she’s in front of me I dive into the experience fully.”

    This is a very smart policy. This could be one of the best, though indirect, indications that someone is a good player, PUA, Alpha…whatever you want to call it.

  • Timothy

    “I don’t fantasize about a girl when I’m not in her presence, but when she’s in front of me I dive into the experience fully.”

    Not to repeat someone else’s post, but this strikes a chord with me, and I’ve always lived by this. Even if she doesn’t mean anything to you beyond that night, treat that night like she does. Go all in. Bring your “A” game. You should feel this way with every new chick…that excitement of the “first” time because it IS the first time with her. Go at her HARD, with all the passion you can muster. After it’s done, there’s no harm in reminiscing about how great she was (IF she was great of course…HA HA!).

    The first time a chick broke up with me, I was crushed. You think you’ll NEVER find another person to like you like that again. That lasts until the next time you find someone that likes you that way. Then you realize there’s ALWAYS going to be someone else at some point, unless you lock yourself in a room somewhere forever and don’t come back out. From that point on, while I’ve parted ways with chicks and felt some disappointment, I’ve never felt as bad as that first time again.

  • memcpy

    It’s easy to spot these “jaded” women. They say catch phrases such as “waiting for a real man to prove to me they’re not all the same.” etc. She obviously had to go through several pump and dumps before being able to utter a phrase like that.

    Often you can bring this up in conversation by teasing “hey why do girls play games so much? Guys never play games.” Then just sit back and enjoy the show.

  • samseau

    #25

    “‘Screwed over’ by men that T.H.E.S.E W.O.M.E.N C.H.O.S.E.”

    All the more reason to be bitter when you only have yourself to blame.

  • Anonymous

    http://youtu.be/dH4p9BQ3V9o

    Scent of a Woman – Al Pacino speech

    It’s an interesting watch for anyone. The part where he brings up Charlie’s spirit being ruined rings true in this post.

    An amputated spirit is truly destructive and only begets a complete melt-down of the self. Doubt creeps in all thoughts drying out desire where confidence once ran like a spring river.

  • http://wnthinktank.wordpress.com Ryu

    Well, men harden too.

    I have the effect in Mystery, Tyler and Jlaix. What’s so exciting yet another woman? She’s just one of a thousand really; she doesn’t offer salvation or purity, you’ll orgasm, collapse and then move on.

    You never hear about the old time PUAs, like Style, Ross Jeffries, or Eric Weber. They have known these sensations. Your friend VK is also experiencing this.

    But I don’t feel pity. Nothing is free in this world. A man pays for everything one way or another. One becomes a PUA to learn the pleasures of the flesh; so be it, but there’s a price to be paid and you will tire of the same in time.

  • Anonymous

    #32

    Not all people who get into game are extroverts. Some are quite introverted and learning game helps them break out of their shell. To say someone could not be content with living a monogamist lifestyle is a little off base imo. Speaking as an introvert myself a few close friends and bringing home a couple women a week would be enough to keep me content. Unless you want a family at the end there’s really not a whole lot to gain from long term relationships or marriage.

  • http://approach100.com/ HH

    I have to say that this was the case with me and my last relationship. Her x shitted all over her so what does she do, she devalued my offerings in order to protect herself. She ended up giving back to the universe by shitting all over me. I was very hurt for a while but I then decided to let it go. I realize that I was too busy being a beta male and not an alpha male.

  • Anonymous

    …Her x shitted all over her so what does she do, she devalued my offerings in order to protect herself. She ended up giving back to the universe by shitting all over me. I was very hurt for a while but I then decided to let it go. I realize that I was too busy being a beta male and not an alpha male.

    Isn’t it ominously funny HH that most AmeriKwan women treat the bad men good…

    …and the good men bad?!?

  • Anonymous

    “hey why do girls play games so much? Guys never play games.”

    Women choose – men are chosen.

    Hence (most) all of this is primarily the fault of women.

  • Anonymous

    #25

    “‘Screwed over’ by men that T.H.E.S.E W.O.M.E.N C.H.O.S.E.”

    All the more reason to be bitter when you only have yourself to blame.

    Yup.

    Translating from Rationalization Hamster to English – Gerri Comen’s daughter and her friends got chewed up and spat out by the cock carousel and they’re blaming men for their poor choices.

    Every single woman who’s ever been in an abusive relationship claims this – that their man didn’t start OUT as an abuser but suddenly transformed into one, like overnight! She had no idea it was coming!

    Bullshit. No human being on earth is capable of that kind of sudden, instantaneous transformation. Most people are as unvarying as amoebae. You can put on a mask, but eventually it slips, and no disguise is one hundred percent foolproof. If any of these girls had paid attention, had thought with their big head instead of their little one, they’d have seen all the warning signs, all the pieces of the puzzle. If you’re either too deluded or desperate to see this, you have no one to blame but yourself.

    Guilty of Being Male, Part 2: Smells Like Rationalization Hamster

    Women choose… men are chosen.

  • Anonymous

    “Isn’t it ominously funny HH that most AmeriKwan women treat the bad men good…

    …and the good men bad?!?

    that implies you didn’t let yourself be treated poorly. Nice personal accountability.

  • Anonymous

    that implies you didn’t let yourself be treated poorly. Nice personal accountability.

    Huh…?

  • Anonymous


    “Every single woman who’s ever been in an abusive relationship claims this – that their man didn’t start OUT as an abuser but suddenly transformed into one, like overnight! She had no idea it was coming!

    Bullshit. No human being on earth is capable of that kind of sudden, instantaneous transformation. Most people are as unvarying as amoebae. You can put on a mask, but eventually it slips, and no disguise is one hundred percent foolproof. If any of these girls had paid attention, had thought with their big head instead of their little one, they’d have seen all the warning signs, all the pieces of the puzzle. If you’re either too deluded or desperate to see this, you have no one to blame but yourself.”

    Real talk right there. The signs of abuse are always apparent before a couple marries. He’s already been abusive in some way, even if he hasn’t outright slapped her up. He’s already been verbally abusive, and he’s probably already grabbed her forcefully by the arm or something like that. She thought, “once we’re married he’ll calm down” or “it was my fault, I shouldn’t have said/done that.” Their weakness and insecurity leads them into abusive relationships and perpetual victimhood. The first time he showed that side, you should have walked away.

  • ersatz

    Men offer, women accept. Both get to choose in their own way. Women often signal interest too.

  • Anonymous

    Men offer, women accept.

    No.

    Women CHOOSE … men are CHOSEN.

    *If you understand anything about Evo-Psych, you would readily understand the implications of what this fully means.

  • Anonymous

    Women often signal interest too.

    And most modern-day American “women” signal their “interest” in the worst and most inappropriate kinds of bad, and often times, outright evil men.

  • Anonymous

    Men offer, women accept.

    Even if this was the case, AmeriKwan ‘wymmynz’ are still accepting ‘offers’ from the worst kinds of men… not the best.

    Still, primarily, the fault of women.

  • Anonymous

    Sure sounds like bitter jaded 45 yr old big belly white guy in here

  • Anonymous

    big belly white guy in here

    Sure sounds like we have here a biiiig belly white woman who knows a thing or two about being, um ‘ample’…

  • Anonymous

    Interesting commentary on the forces which ‘shapes’ (lol) the world-view of a Typical American Woman© and her entitlement complex – and the very same karmic forces which causes her to ultimately become ‘bitter and jaded’:

    Another aspect is the role casual sex plays. Even a female 5 can sometimes land a male 8 or 9 for a one night stand. Once she’s had a taste of that, it may be hard for her to settle for a male 5, even though that male 5 is offering her far more than the male 8 was. So she may decide to hold out for another 8, not realizing that she never had a chance with said 8, and that he was simply using her to relieve himself or for a sport fuck.

    Yet another aspect has already been mentioned earlier – namely that even fat women have tons of males pursuing them (though many are doing so only for sex, but this isn’t always obvious to the fatty who grew up with fairy tales of princes) simply as a function of demographics. When 70% of the female population is overweight or obese, most guys don’t have the luxury of only targeting slender girls. Since the sex drive is so powerful in men in their 20s and 30s, they will settle for whatever they can get. This pursuit leads to an overinflated sense of value.

    http://www.mgtowforums.com/forums/mens-general-discussion/2773-what-makes-fat-women-delusional.html#post33284

  • Gringoed

    Nice post Roosh. Maybe it’s just me but your posts seem less misogynistic since you’ve left the USA.

  • Anonymous

    When 70% of the female population is overweight or obese, most guys don’t have the luxury of only targeting slender girls. Since the sex drive is so powerful in men in their 20s and 30s, they will settle for whatever they can get. This pursuit leads to an overinflated sense of value.

    If that’s the case…

    then this is probably what passes for “smokin’ hot” women today…

    (replete with the Prole girlz winter uniform accesory – Ugg(ly) boots (in summer of course it’s the ubiquitous flip-flops)

  • Marquis De Roosh

    If you ever have read Marquis De Sade, you realize that posts like this one come close to philosphical essays like “The 120 Days of Sodom”, mixing porn, politics, and philosphy. I agree with Solo: this is a Signature post by Roosh V. Congrats Roosh, keep surprising us.

  • Marquis De Roosh II
  • Anonymous

    women treat the bad men good…

    …and the good men bad?!?

    This should be the epitath of the twilight of our American Civilization.

    Oh women, what ye have sown…

    Sic transit gloria mundi.

  • Anonymous

    Twitter Updates
    Latvian girl: “Guys pay me 5 lat [$10] to watch my piss.” I need to get out of this country. #
    @Roosh

    This should be the epitath of the twilight of our American Civilization.

    Considering what Roosh has to say ’bout even the latvian girls, let’s make this the epitath for the demise of *human civilization*..

    Sic transit gloria mundi indeed.

  • Anonymous

    Woman Lets Match.com Dates Pay For All Of Her Dinners – Jezebel

    “These are rough economic times, but thankfully a young woman has developed a way to get strangers to cover your entire food budget, including the occasional bottle of $200 champagne. All you need to do is aggressively court men on Match.com and set up a complex dinner date schedule that keeps you well-fed throughout the week. It also helps if you have few compunctions about leading the guys on, and don’t mind internet commenters referring to you by a variety of sexual slurs.

    “23-year-old Jessica Sporty tells Business Insider that though her salary was $45K, she simply wasn’t able to make it in New York, and “she needed at least an extra $500 a month and sometimes $1,000 to pay her credit card bills and afford her $1,475 a month apartment in Murray Hill.” Rather than shipping out to a less ritzy borough and learning to subsist on ramen noodles and rice and beans, she found that she could do nearly all of her eating for free and keep herself out of debt thanks to men she met on Match.com.”

    [...]

    http://jezebel.com/5863621/woman-lets-matchcom-dates-pay-for-all-of-her-dinners

    *Hey guys – you think this woman has become ‘bitter and jaded’?!?

    lallazooz

  • Anonymous

    Now imagine that a guy meets a girl in a bar. They have an amazing four-hour conversation where it turns out that they share a lot of things in common. To prepare for the first date, he researches restaurants on the internet, hoping that his selection will provide the perfect environment to create a magical spark. On the day of the date, after reservations have been made and his outfit selected, she cancels with a lame excuse and disappears. Five years later, he considers all women in bars and clubs to be sluts.

    Roosh – remember this guest post by your buddy Athlone McGinnes (does a lot to explain the male POV):

    Getting back to the Scandinavian question, Swedish feminists may be outspoken in their demand for absolute equality, but they’re not going to encourage their women to eat and look like land-whales while still nurturing ridiculously high standards for men, which is part of why they have only a 9% obesity rate. Men there are not forced to deal with the hypocrisy of physically repulsive women asking to be treated as though they were way above the law. Their women may not fit traditional feminine gender roles very well, but they’re also not subsequently asking men to keep filling masculine roles the way many American women do (they’re more likely to pay on a date, among other things). Thus, the guys don’t seem quite as angry, and I don’t blame them. I wouldn’t be either.

    “On another note, American women of all kinds seem to generally maintain a passionate hatred for beta males. This varies somewhat by community (it’s obviously more extreme among blacks, less so among whites and Asians), but it’s there. They are almost universally unwelcome in this society by females.

    “It has been mentioned before that in Scandinavia and much of the rest of Europe, beta males seem to carry a lot more value. Now, consider that the majority of men everywhere are what you would call beta males, and you have a clearer answer. Swedish women are not quite as hostile to betas, which comprise the majority of the male populace, meaning you will see more amicable gender relations. American women, especially feminists, tend to dislike betas. Thus, you have less amicable gender relations.

    “Add to this the raw capitalist nature of American relations where so many relationships seem to be about the transfer of status and cash, rather than the more crucial intangible things, and you have a recipe for hostility. The women here never really love the men in the first place, and the men, most of whom are betas, naturally react with skepticism and hostility towards a female populace that is more openly and viciously hostile to betas than others across the world.”

    The Hypocrisy Of American Feminism » Roosh V

    http://www.rooshv.com/the-hypocrisy-of-american-feminism

  • Dave

    This post displays why our entire system of dating is wrong. Modern dating is just retarded. I have also experienced a weird shift the more I get into game. When I first started, 6 years ago, I was almost exclusively using online dating. Then I got out of it and started exclusively day gaming. Now I find myself going back to the Internet and hitting up that 18-20 age group (which is surprisingly way easy now that I’m in my mid-20′s, cut a solid pay check and built status via career – much easier than when I was that age). They are far less bitter and jaded than women my age, you won’t meet them in bars or most clubs (since they’re under 21) and they are much easier to “game.” They’re probably the best for relationships. Once a girl rides the cock carousel to a Bachelor’s degree and a mountain of debt, she’s ruined. The Internet is just a great way to gain easy access to the girls in that age group. I noticed some set their profiles to “men 18-22″ or something, but I regularly prove that wrong. You just have to stay away from: #1 Girls who are “finding themselves, “#2 Girls with psycho parents who keep them on a tight leash #3 Girls who live in dorms (unless sex is your only goal whatsoever).

  • Dave

    As for that match.com Jezebel article earlier – those kinds of girls are real easy to avoid. Real easy. We’re not the kind of men to wine and dine some chick, particularly on a first date, anyway. I always vet a girl over coffee or lunch first, then my second date (or first real date) is always miniature golf or bowling if the weather sucks. I’ve done it so much I have some kind of charming golfing/bowling routine down to the T. After golf, we go get pizza or ice cream. The third date is usually a hike (well, more of a “nature walk.” If I was really to take a girl on a hike she would die of thirst and blisters have way through, being an avid hiker. But that means I know all the good spots to take a girl in the woods too – all the “romantic views.”

    The fourth date… that’s when I feel free to go out to a restaurant (that I love) and go back to one of our places to “watch” a DVD. And I’ve never even mentioned the endless possibilites “adventure dates” (Tyler Durden is a huge proponent of these) present, where you basically take a girl to hang out and just kind of go from place to place. Those are also real cheap. You don’t need to spend much cash on a girl or buy alcohol to make her happy and make her fall in love with you. If a girl is unhappy with my dates, it’s a clear sign she’s high maintenance. Some of my best dates have been when I invented a girl to the mall to accompany me while I buy some pants or something. We hit up Starbucks first for a coffee, then we just go from store to store, kind of like an “adventure date.” I have routines for each store, even Gamestop. My favorite is the painting store, where I jokingly start “interpreting” the art and letting hilarity ensure (you know you struck gold when she starts “interpreting” with you).

    Every guy should have 5 good, cheap-ass date ideas in their back pocket at all times. It’s easier if you live in the city, but I live a good ways out of the city and managed to put together a plethora of fun dates.

  • Mig Mack
  • Anonymous

    Once a girl rides the cock carousel to a Bachelor’s degree and a mountain of debt, she’s ruined.</em.

    More than you'll ever imagine, brothers.

    Then it's reeeaaally high time in finding a beta provider, and manipulatively chisel him into paying off her debts – the debts she incurred before she even knew him:

    ===

    Bachelorettes in Debt — The New Reverse Dowry System

    My wife raises an interesting point that I’ve never heard anyone discuss. Many of the single women of a certain age who are still actively in the husband-seeking market spend a fortune on themselves to look good and be in the right (i.e., expensive) places to meet Mr. Right. Thus, an awful lot of them have a lot of debt, especially credit card debt, which they keep rolling over to the tune of many thousands of dollars in interest each year.

    ….Especially, if they’re thinking about having kids and he knows she’s going to have to de-emphasize her career for awhile. If she can’t pay off her credit cards now while she’s working full time, she’s not going to pay them off either when she downshifts her career to raise kids. So, marriage is going to cost him $40,000 right off the bat that he hadn’t thought about before.

    This trend is the opposite of the European tradition of the dowry, in which the bride’s family gives the groom money in return for a lifetime of his work supporting their daughter.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/11/bachelorettes-in-debt-new-reverse-dowry.html

  • Anonymous

    This post displays why our entire system of dating is wrong. Modern dating is just retarded. … @Dave

    Yes, and here is a *major reason* why:

    Urban Living Is Bad For Relationships

    If you want to build a relationship with a girl you’re dating I’d suggest you move out of the big coastal cities. Either escape the city with your girl (you might have to abduct her) or find a girl in a small town, rural backwater, or suburban outpost. There is a portal of anti-love negative energy that issues rays of casual sex and polyamory from the nightlife bowels of DC and works to tear apart any couple stumbling their way toward deeper commitment.

    Think about the ways this happens:

    Options = Instability

    Where you have options, you have trouble sticking by one person. A man dating a girl (or girls) will feel on top of the world and suddenly all those single women traipsing around the city look like much easier targets to approach. His loins will quiver with excitement. A woman transplanted from a less populated region of the country to the big city will become enthralled with all the extra attention from men who are probably much better at playing the game than the men she left back home. Her ego will quiver with expectation.

    Anonymity

    Christ, how simple it is to maintain a dating carousel when hiding all the people you are banging from each other is as easy as scheduling dates on different days and in different bars, sometimes separated by only a block. When there isn’t a social network of family, friends, and people who generally give a shit about decorum to shame swingers, sexual depravity results. This truly is the golden era of genitalia.

    Zero Consequences

    Who’s gonna stop you from boffing your girlfriend’s hotter sister? Dad? HA. It is to laugh. Welcome to Plunderdome.

    Convenience

    No problem running a stable of regulars when meeting places are within walking distance of central giggity headquarters. Out in the sticks it’d be a pain to meet a second girl when she’s a 50 mile drive away.

    Poland here I come. Dzien dobry!

    http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/urban-living-is-bad-for-relationships/

  • asdf@asdf.com

    Dave, those are great advice dogs.

    I’ve found that for first dates, that going to a coffee shop , bookstore, and art museums (all in the vicinity of one another) make great first or second dates.

    The nice thing about going to places like the mall or art museums is that you always have something to talk about, and it’s really easy to crack jokes by making fun of merchandise or art (of course, throw in an honest non-sarcastic opinion every now and again she gets to know your personality and taste)

    I’ve also found that once a girl is ‘playing along’ with role-playing or making playful jokes about art and merchandise , it’s a really good sign , usually signalling attraction and sexual tension. Rarely does that happen without some sexual tension and physical contact , flirting, etc.

    As for logistics, for men who were once ‘beta’ and have learned game, it’s important to escalate and go against any natural passive tendencies you have.

    I haven’t found it necessary to always get laid of the FIRST date (being an introvert, thoughtful, and picky), I take a few hours to warm up to people)… HOWEVER , I found it’s critical for men with my personality type (aka. sensitive) to *aggressively sexually escalate* outside of ones ‘natural’ comfort zone.

    This may seem weird to a new student of game, but for the girl, often it’s new and exciting, and if she’s really flirting with you, it’s what she really wants. She wants things to progress, it’s just as the man, this is your responsibility to do. You escalate, she paces the escalation. It’s like a dance.

    This definitely means a kiss within the first ‘real’ date (TOPS). This establishes sexual frame and sexual chemistry. If you and the girl have no chemistry, then NEXT. You can go for something ‘more’ than a kiss , progressing through the first, second, third, or fourth date (mutual masturbation, blow job, bdsm play, or sex) . You can pace it however you want, but just make sure that each time you meet up, you GO FURTHER THAN THE LAST DATE. Don’t ever backpedal unless you have to. If a promising girl takes more than a couple of dates to get sexual chemistry going, then I just move on.

    I do however, move at my own pace. I do what feels comfortable normally, then I push myself a notch further. You always have to escalate — or you won’t get anywhere … BUT there is no sense in going so fast that you make it seem ‘weird’ or contrived. I always try to make things fun and exciting for myself and the girl — even for my girlfriend of 2 years.

    Hell I am taking her on flying lessons this weekend up in a Cessna private plane. Always be that interesting and adventurous guy that she will want to love, support, follow, (and fellate).

    In terms of logistics with new girls, I’ve found that the ‘movies’ excuse works great. You can always make it playful too — I’ve gotten back to girls dorm rooms / apartments by casually asking to check out their place / meet their roommates (I say, “hey you’ve seen where -I- live, what’s the deal? Oh I bet you’re a cat lady, and you have cats all over your apartment. I bet you even sew them little hats in your spare time, that’s why you don’t want to invite me up. It’s cool, I understand”) Then usually, they laugh and are like, no it’s not that , it’s just my <insert excuse here (room is messy, whatever). Then I say something like , well so's mine, I'm thirsty, lemme come up and grab a glass of water. I can't stay long anyways"

    This works pretty well for getting back to her place after a nice date of going to bookstores, coffee, art museum, etc.

    On the original topic of jaded girls, it's really a sad sight to see. It really breaks my heart to see and hear about women in their mid to late 30s who suddenly realize that what they wanted all along was a 'good man' — aka. an attractive, dominant, and adventurous man whom they could trust to lead through life. But at this point, they are cynical and desperate, and their bodies show the emotional and physical toll of drugs, casual sex, smoking, and heavy drinking.

    These girls are told that career and riding the cock carosel is what will make them happy. But that's usually a lie. That's not true for a vast majority of women, and the younger they realize this, the sooner they can start trying to snag a good potential mate.

    I know my girlfriend's IDEAL situation is where she can work part time as a PA to stimulate her mind and keep from getting bored, while I support us both through my businesses. She will cook and take care of the house while I am away. She follows my lead and trusts me to give us a good life as long as we are together. Of course, *I'm never getting legally married*. :)

    For what will ultimately make men and women happy, it seems what was once common sense in society is now lost to the ages.

    I'm glad we still have free speech on the internet to be able to rediscover what were once obvious facts.

    -Asdf

  • Anonymous

    On the original topic of jaded girls, it’s really a sad sight to see. It really breaks my heart to see and hear about women in their mid to late 30s who suddenly realize that what they wanted all along was a ‘good man’ — aka. an attractive, dominant, and adventurous man whom they could trust to lead through life. But at this point, they are cynical and desperate, and their bodies show the emotional and physical toll of drugs, casual sex, smoking, and heavy drinking.

    These girls are told that career and riding the cock carosel is what will make them happy. But that’s usually a lie. That’s not true for a vast majority of women, and the younger they realize this, the sooner they can start trying to snag a good potential mate.

    Yeah – not only are women encouraged by feminist fools to behave like ‘men’ in a sexual sense, but to behave like the worst kind of men, the promiscuous cads that only make up a relatively small percentage of males in any given social population who have the interest, and especially, the genetic temperment and disposition to ‘successfully’ pull off.

    Most other men, truly the large majority, really do just want to be good husbands and fathers, and I strongly suspect that most men who write about, read up on and wish to learn Game would be quite happy if We all went back to the more traditional system of courtship and (genuinely) monagamous marriage.

  • Anonymous

    But at this point, they are cynical and desperate, and their bodies show the emotional and physical toll of drugs, casual sex, smoking, and heavy drinking. @Asdf

    I strongly suspect high refined carb consumption by many of our lady friends as well — maladaptively used as a very poor choice of a coping mechanism.

    Especially the sugary sh*t/ processed ‘Frankenfoods’ variety -

    http://sugaraddictionspecialist.com/

    *Ladies – you’re bodies ain’t that different from ours. Lay off the sugar, starch and excessive amount of any type of carbs in general – and start eating more meat, fish, chicken and veggies.

    Go paleo!

  • http://www.bronanthebarbarian.com Bronan the Barbarian!

    I love the phrase “full retard.”

  • Anonymous
  • Sam Spade

    Good post, Roosh. Reminds me of the South Park episode where Stan gets dumped and tries to join the Goths so he can dull the pain. In the end he realizes that the pain went along with the pleasure.

    “She learns how to make a ‘bitch face’ while in public, a frown that makes it seem as if she’s constantly smelling something bad.”

    Yeah, what is up with that? I hate that.

  • Anonymous

    Why did the user ‘Life’s Good’ get banned today? I thought this forum was to offer advice. Life’s Good did not violate any of the rules set by “Tuthmosis.”

  • Dave

    That’s true 69 – you do need to escalate. Guys who find themselves in a plethora of friendzone’s are men who earned their way there by not escalating. I like the idea of doing it at your own pace. My goal right now is to find a good girl to marry, so while I escalate when I can, I don’t really want to screw on the first night. I’m hoping to be somewhat rebuffed for a few dates – I need a girl to show she can control herself and not give in to the VT’s (vagina tingles) too easily.

    Many PUA’s out there will tell you to not marry a girl unless she’s at least 23 and out of college and got her wild side out of her. That’s an awful idea. They’re essentially telling you to only marry girls who’ve been penetrated by strange cock for years and have a bunch of debt. Your best bet is a young woman who wants to have lots of your babies, is not a party girl, and ideally shuns feminism (much, much more of these when you visit Japan, Thailand, S. Korea, Turkey, Estonia, etc… but there are some in the U.S. and the Internet is by far the easiest way to meet them).

  • asdf@asdf.com

    While I’m thinking about it…

    One thing I’ve found really useful in my ripe old age of 28 years is the idea from the Chateau…

    NEVER BE AFRAID TO WALK AWAY.

    Both as a moral policy for your dignity as well as your integrity.

    If your date/fuckbuddy/girlfriend/wife/whomever is disrespecting you and crossing your boundaries, make it down politely but firmly and explain. If she decides to still treat you like a chump, you have to be willing to walk.

    Let me give an example… I’m lucky enough that my 24 year old girlfriend is not bitter and jaded, but the occasional times she tests me with bullshit, I mentally prepare myself to walk away and find a new women if it came to it. A smaller form of ‘walking away’ is just simply booking out for the weekend to another town.

    This simple way I’ve found to deal with large long-term LTR shit-tests is simply take off for the weekend. Girlfriend decides to pull some stunt? Calmly explain to her that it was unacceptable, explain to her why, and if she is being crazy/stubborn or otherwise doesn’t want to communicate after some stunt she pulls on Friday, tell her this:

    “Allright well I need some time to think. I’ll give you a call on Monday. ”

    Don’t answer her questions, just reassure her that you aren’t broken up, and you will talk in a few days after you think it out. Then just quit answering your phone.

    Go to the ATM, take out $400, put your phone on silent, take the subway to a bus station, and hop on a bus to a youth hostel in another city . Make reservations online or give them a call from the bus.

    You’ll be in a strange city, you’ll certainly have an adventure, and you’ll respect yourself for not putting up her bullshit. Plus, you prove to yourself that you value your integrity and you are willing to walk away and meet new people — if and when it comes down to the wire.

    I guarantee your girlfriend will come to her senses, and if the off chance she doesn’t, you get a great trip out of it, and no doubt meet some new people or whatever else you choose to do.

    And you’ll still have your self-respect and integrity.

  • D-man

    “She learns how to make a “bitch face” while in public, a frown that makes it seem as if she’s constantly smelling something bad”

    No fucking kidding. I see this look so often on female faces in my city. Flavors of petty, pinched, judgmental, squinty, greedy, and sour. Pre-emptive. Pissy and spoiled.

    Still viably young faces, mid 20s to mid 30s. Otherwise pretty faces, some beautiful, yet stained from the inside out.

    It’s in their voices too, if you overhear them. Both the content and the tone.

    WTF happened? I want to harangue them. Life hasn’t been easier, more comfortable, or more convenient for any decent-sized group (to exclude royalty) in the history of the planet. Generations stretching back have sacrificed and struggled so they might enjoy such comfort, such options. And the rules and prevailing mores of our society have never been more firmly stacked in their favor.

    I want to yell: Everything is on your side! You can do whatever you want! You don’t even have to work very hard! Why are you so dissatisfied!??!

    It’s not hard for a young, attractive female in the west to find a decent fellow and make a family and a good life. It doesn’t really take a ton of money, and you can raise your kids to be decent, good people too. This is exactly what most first-generation immigrants do.

    But no no no. Our girls want Status. They want Attention, and Validation. A stroked ego, and an unfettered id.

    The simple truth is, they’re as insecure as they are competitive, and they haven’t really grown up yet.

    Show me an attractive female in her mid 20s to mid 30s with this kind of look on her face, and I’ll say: here’s a human being who, for the first time in her life, is no longer getting every little thing her heart desires.

    Tick, tock

  • Theodora

    First time I ever saw this face (or at least what I think you’re talking about) was on this girl on the jersey shore:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2GOB6Yt6ao

    Correct? I think it’s an american thing though, not a “woman’s” thing.

  • Dave

    I would say it’s more of a city/college campus thing, Theodora. Honestly, I don’t see as much of that crap where I live. I lived in D.C. for a while, and in Boston, and the women in those cities are a far cry from, say, the girls surrounding a military base in Georgia. It’s really all about location. Stay away from cities. If you can, stay out of the Northeast especially. Also, some places in the South still suck, like Houston or Atlanta where it’s all urban and liberal. Some foreign cities are full of bitter and jaded women too. Like London, which is probably the worst city in the world for a man. Hyper-liberal and full of ugly ass women.

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  • Anonymous

    Is this post a joke? You view women as holes to put your dick in. Okay, fair enough, to each his own. But why pretend to know anything about emotional investment and emotional risk? Just because you haven’t grown bitter doesn’t mean shit. Emotional pleasure from fucking random girls? Pleasure because you successfully gamed them? You really think you have an emotional connection with these women? How can you, when your game is so calculated? Does your fuck funnel give you warm fuzzy feelings? Your posts are getting less and less consistent.

  • Anonymous

    #82: “Just because you haven’t grown bitter doesn’t mean shit.”

    Did he not?

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  • enlightened

    All I see is ppl looking for answers where there are none.

    I see a generation of ppl convinced by oprah and Dr phil that there is a calling in life, I see the fat assed middle aged white american women who made oprah richer than any black slave baron raising kids who they thought would complete their lives but haven’t.

    I see ppl turning to eastern mysticism, to find answers and can’t.

    I see christians claiming to having found the answers when they haven’t.

    I see oprah getting richer, and many oprah clones popping up in every single country around the world convincing ppl that there is a calling, that life has a purpose.

    I see a generation of fembots that worshipped sex and the city as their god.

    I see roosh influencing men like oprah has except in another direction.

    I see ppl looking for an answer, where no answers have existed.

    The equation is meant to be un answered

    Roosh at the end of it all is your life about the amount of orgasms you had in pussy, that’s sounds like a goal to me, the goal that oprah and all the other false messiahs say we need to attain happiness.

    I don’t know what the answer is, but I can tell you I feel nothing like you guys.

    I don’t feel there is a special calling for me, that I have to leave a legacy, that I have to save ppl, I don’t have a jesus complex.

    Maybe I am onto something, but I wouldn’t be happy having disciples either

    Maybe I’m the anit christ, maybe I’m a messiah.

    But all I see is ppl searching for something that has never been there.

    Maybe that’s the answer

    Red pill, blue pill, how about no pill.

    Seeing the side of the blue pill and the side of the red pill.

    And knowing you don’t have to choose either

  • Anonymous

    “I leave myself open with no shield because I want to experience emotional pleasure, one of the best things about being human.” YES. If I like a guy, I throw myself into it 100 percent. No need for playing hard-to-get or withholding passion or affection, either in conversation or in bed. It feels good.

    The downside is that I hurt more than most people I know when a relationship ends. But some of my better moments of self-improvement and reflection have come in the wake of breakups…

  • quarterlife_dc

    I was recently speaking to a psychologist friend who remarked that boundaries are all wrong for women of our generation. Just pick up any magazine, it teaches us that we don’t need to have any boundaries when it comes to gossiping and attaching judgments and emotions to other people’s relationships. On the other hand, the magazine also probably suggests we need tons of boundaries and “rules” and toughness so we can cut off feelings and emotions in our own relationships.

  • D

    Um, no. No. Men who have been rejected by women (especially harshly) end up bitching about it like petulant children for YEARS. They are never the same.

  • AreaMan

    85 enlightened
    December 19th, 2011 @ 2:43 am

    “All I see is ppl looking for answers where there are none.”

    If that were true your post should have ended there.

  • Anonymous

    How ironic that a post on how jaded and bitter women are attracted so many jaded and bitter posts from men.

    Pot, meet kettle.

    For all you game theorists, you might be interested to know that the concept of “alpha” is largely a fictional one. Even in the animal kingdom, the alpha is not the most confident, dominant, strongest male who becomes the most successful. That honor would go to the male who is most successful at building alliances, largely by breeding and successfully raising offspring. In other words, the alpha isn’t the sexy badass getting all the tail. It’s the responsible male who takes up the mantle of family and social responsibility.

    There’s science behind it. Do your own research.

    But it sure makes all the guys and gals sniffing around the alpha theory look kind of silly. Just sayin’.

  • bubbles

    Ive.stripped.off and on. I am nearing my late twenties started when I was 18 . Early in my career, I was.barely legal _____ insert strapper name. Just always.felt that I am only good for the hole between my legs. I can have.great conversation with customers. But it only comes down to sex, sex,sex,sex. I am jadd

  • don

    My first wife was a prude. We did not have sex b4 marriage. It was a miserable and frustrating marriage for both of us. I wanted it and she didn’t.

    My second and current wife and I had sex on the first date. Actually I picked her up in a bar. She was fucking other guys since her teens. She fucks my brains out, fucks guys who hit on her and even sells it now and hen. But we have one hell of a marriage. Perfect for both of us.

  • Wowza

    This is very sad. The reasoning in this original article is so faulty, and so are so many of the responses. It is claimed that men and women have the same responses to rejection, but then claims that men are “naturally” inclined to respond by becoming more closed off? BOTH responses are natural, both people are naturally more open and emotional. That is exactly what this article implies. It is also more detestable when women do it. That is out of left field…rather it is out of far right field.
    That weak scenario in which a football jock has his way with some woman. Guess what. He gave her her first lesson in how to play the game. Why do you detest her for it? He initiated her into the scene, and he will likely be a controlling bitch with with his wife or girlfriend because he likely has trust issues because of the misleading he does. If sex with her sucked then he could have trained her. People can train each other to good sex, but if you want it right off the bat then you will likely need someone who has been around the bloc a few times. Meaning, most likely, a mindless fuck, or someone who has learned to play the game and who will be just as risky as you are. But here we have a bunch of women blaming/hating defective bitch males who can’t take a woman being a bit hard nosed. If you are not too much of a bitch, you can get passed a decent woman’s shell in time. You are not open emotionally. You are a pleasure seeker. As you dirty little body fails you will become bitter and controlling or alone. You will, like a bitch, blame women for all of your failings, just because some, especially the 8s you want, play the game better than you. If a guy who is a five tries to get over on a girl who is a five, she should dump on him and remind him he is not an 8. I would not want a woman who may be a five to get dumped on by fives. If I love her I want her to have a very negative response to that. I am ALWAYS described as a nine or a ten. ALWAYS. I have dated from five to eights. Not ever a nine or a ten, in part because I am accidentally a ten, and I don’t care to date someone who cannot think beyond how hot they are. I have been the smart guy most of my life, the funny guy starting around my senior year of high school, and I became “hot” around twenty when I started to go to the gym and my man face started coming in. Men and women share their secrets with me. So many men are just sad because they want that hot chick, and cannot manage the work to keep her. So many men are sad, bitchy, agitated, selfish fuckups in that way. Get it out of your head that you deserve something hot. Star there. Putting such a hard eye on women’s appearances means you want her so other people can see her. In which case, she should go to the highest bidder, and should be really difficult to hold on to. That is the capitalist way, that is what you advance here. That is what you deserve. Stupid bitch.

  • Wowza

    Women should want the alpha, if guys want the hottest chicks. She should sell her labors to who is most deserving of it. If she needs to be hot to have an opinion, she should reserve her ears for whoever is hot. Hotness corresponding to hotness. These nasty thin wrist comments are scary. The women in my family are all 6s and up, without makeup. You should see how people act when we all go out together. I don’t know how badly they have been hurt, but a few of them are in “feminine” “service” jobs. Nursing, teaching, Special Education. If they fell for a five and he made them feel like anything other than goddesses, I would have a problem. Introducing bad genetics into this family with a stupid, weak, bitch attitude is unappealing. I think about the daughters they would make, who would be mistreated by the very men their own fathers would raise. So raise your sons to hate your daughters. To blame them for everything. To remind them they are the fives you produced. To demand perfection. As your daughters spin out of slutty control, love every second of it. She’ll turn into the bitter attacked woman you want her to be, or the grovelling or “grateful” faded light with stretchmarks and dry skin that you think is suitable. You, sir, are a sad bitch.

  • agent orange 1215

    I love u wowza :)

  • Wowza

    This is fun! I think I just saw this ugly Doosh on youtube! Ha! It makes sense. He is in pretty good shape, though I am in better shape. He looks like a Azerbaijani cave man. What kind of large headed, big featured masculine daughter would he produce? She would have to shave her everything because, simple tards, women get half of their DNA from their fathers. It is a Russian…Azerbaijani roulette. She’ll have to cut her body up and segment it in stupid clothes to feel valuable, just to accept weak dick. I can’t imagine the odd feelings a woman must have to give her body to some grizzly peon who can only afford an apartment, whose average dick is bushed in by a bunch of hair, and who is not going to love her if her body is not perfect or near perfect. I have seen far too many hot women who have had children with trolls. My heart aches to see her daughter who could not hope to become what mom is because she got dad’s nose, and dad’s butt, and dad’s legs, and dad’s hair’ and dad’s Elmo shape face. GOD you people seem kinda godless to me. Maybe I am over reacting, but you want these women to do what? Be slaves to an average Joe? To not enjoy food? To not enjoy sex? To not walk around comfortably? To “love” like mules and to not ask for anything in return? I have no problem turning those vaginas into nice warm places on any weekend or any weeknight. But I accept that they are human, that they can have fun bodies even if they are not “perfect”, and that I should have to do a little convincing if I want them to do anything more than stay out of my way. I certainly feel NO NEED to get in their way, or stop anyone from loving them. People should respect each other, and help each other out a bit, even if they are not going to fuck them. If I decided that I would not make much of a move to help this guy out. He looks to much like an cave man, and didn’t we wipe those guys out? Or did we interbreed with them to produce the line that this cat eating alien comes from?

    Then you all talk about trust. I have trusted, and I still trust three of the five women I have seriously dated. Relocation and ultimately different life goals caused separation. All of them were educated. The woman I date now is educated. Very supportive, very typically feminine, aside from being an athlete. It scares me that any daughter that we would have together could ever meet many of you.

  • Wowza

    Sorry. It appears this guy might be Romanian. I don’t mean to seem in any way disrespectful to anyone’s ethnicity. I realized how that could have sounded and I only heard him mention American in contrast to something else, and I assumed he was Bulgarian or Azerbaijani, as I was familiar with a person who came from a Bulgarian Azerbaijani home.

  • Wowza

    What a rat nest crotch this guy has. He wants to separate these women in this poor country from their friends? To do what? To dig through that rat nest crotch to get to six inches of that “gold” he thinks he has? So he can tell them they are not worth much after that?

    I had a Ukrainian friend who moved back to the Ukraine because he wanted to find a wife. He didn’t say much about appearance, but I think that played a role. He wanted a more typically feminine woman. I thought that was strange. I guess I feel so masculine that I don’t worry too much about that. Maybe I am that educated that my balls have shrunk to the size of peanuts and I now posses a enlarged clitoris, because having a M.A does that to men, and I have not been in a fist fight in years. Don’t underestimate integrity, good communication and shitting on stupid relationship skills. Man up guys. If a bit of push back from a woman is going to hurt your ego so bad, cut your dicks off now, bow out and join a clergy or something because your going to end up impotent with herpes and you’ll need someone besides “your boys” to mentally(in some cases physically) cup your balls to see you through it. NOT that I have a problem with queers at all.

  • agent orange 1215

    Oh and dont be fooled by this hurt little turd. He is so full of evil and hate because u see a long time ago he became so hurt that he split into two “personalities” one is of this weird sociopathic cult leader that gains a power through hurting and exploting women (who he views as weak , recylced sperm dumping grounds) and then trying to indoctrinate other hurt males who are terrified of women and who if they had even less self control would probably physically hurt and or rape defenseless women if it also didnt mean that they would not then go to prison to then become a brand of weak exploited rectums that lifers get to then use for sperm dumps. This freak has another hurt personality that he has buried so deep because he doesnt want to leave this hurt little boy open to emotional vulnerability thus u get this act .

  • Wowza

    So I showed this to a friend. We had a bit of discussion about it. I will probably give into sensationalism a bit and follow up with this guy. I see now that he is Middle Eastern. I wonder if a out of context “cultural” upbringing contribute to his view on women. Not saying that Middle Easter up bringings are bad, but some cultural values do not translate well, especially when not discussed thoroughly and become connected to too much fear. I am confused though. If men are powerful, or should be, then how is it that they are losing at all? There is quite a bit of fem rhetoric I do not buy into, but this I definitely find idiotic and weak. This guy must gotten a bit of heartbreak at some point, and now he is spewing nonsense about getting a job in a saturated market and fly around the world shopping for women. He aims for places with lots of poor women, so he can exploit people like cattle. Like someone may have done to his mother. Unless she is one of the few that have gotten it right, though she did not raise a man who knows how to find something like her. She raised a woman hating bitch. How much of a failure, or woman hater she must be to produce a son who travels the world to be big dog in a pack of small dogs. Kelb sagheer, this is scary. I hope you develop some sense of spirituality, of God, before you do more damage

  • Keen

    From the outside looking in; having never had any luck with women. I think it’s perfectly natural for women to follow their instincts to the Alpha male type. Being an introverted short guy; it’s devastating every time I get rejected by women. I’ve always been modest and respectful; so I find it hard to come on to a woman. I was always the guy that served and protected others be nature.

    I’ve noticed that the friends of mine that are most successful with women are complete jerks with them and flagrantly fondle even when its obvious the girl doesn’t want it.

    I find that when I run out of topics and start to talk about my traveling to other countries and skydiving that they get more interested in me. I had a bad childhood and as a young man; all I ever wanted was to work hard and have a loving girl and family to raise. As I grow older with no luck with women I can see myself becoming more and more bitter. After so long alone and PTSD for fucking nothing (fuck the Army) I don’t even want a family anymore; I can only see women as sex objects and if I even got a girlfriend…I think I would treat her like shit just because of all those horrible years…

    I hate how women are and myself for feeling this way; but I know it’s not their fault that I am unattractive. I don’t agree with the whole love yourself first…how do you love yourself if no one loves you…basic psychology…you get your identity from your parents…I guess I just hate natural selection and I’m not meant to pass my genes on……

    Mankind sucks; when we destroy this planet and go extinct…It will be peaceful, because there will be no more people to suffer.

  • Wowza

    @Keen—

    I feel you, man. Even being considered good looking, athletic, well traveled,and educated; I am not very competitive(though I have had a more than a few fist fights), and I am respectful of women. I have had some gnarly attitudes thrown my way by women who thought I was too nice and needed to “man up.” When I am a dick, I get attention from women I don’t really want much attention from. The dating scene is shallow and ignorant for the most part. I have always had a difficult time functioning beyond being cool. When I am “cool” I am usually not having a good time. For this reason, aside from the occasional club hook up, I have not dated much. When I did date, they were really great girls, as is the girl I am dating now. Keep looking. You sound like you will get somewhere eventually. Being alone sucks, especially with the issues you pointed to. I just worry about people blaming women for so much. Women typically have more to lose than men, and so are usually in a hyper state of being baffled and scrambling to maintain social relevance. Just try to be straightforward as you can, try to find a couple of good friends, and don’t be afraid to ask for what you need. I hope the best for you. Don’t buy into this weak ass hate women autosexual weirdness.

    People do suck, but women are not the cause. They are just people too.

  • Eva

    Men,
    I think the reason women become such a way is that its a reptitive cycle. Some act bitchy weird or have issues because of the issues they have seen in the past.
    to the guys who say fuck women . treat them as bitches treat even their gfs like shit are going to get what is given to them.
    i know a man who did this to me and might i say didnt last very long in my life. he was the first guy i gave head and fucked and probably the last one who got it that easy.
    i really liked him knew him for couple of years and he turned completely asshole on me.
    so from then on i moved to another great guy who treated me like a person..
    I couldn’t marry this one because he doesnt have a whole lot going for him so i decided to cut the ropes.
    the next one im sure is going to be hopefully the one if not thats ok …maybeb the one after.
    but it taught me to screen and learn that men can of such crazy issues can not be tamed nor taught to be positive loving and kind.
    its something you inherently grow up with and funnily the guys who are the jerks have sisters .
    or atleast thats what i see.

    good luck to all the people out there with the patience to go through and get away from these bad apples.

  • Shit tests build compliance

    I shit test to keep the male in line. As a woman with a very compliant boyfriend as a result, I warn you men reading the above poster not to take his advice. Do you *really* think we’re that dependent on your weak small penis, picking up after you, and your bullshit? With better endowed Alphas hitting on us all the time, including starting the moment they observed you leaving our house and booking for that hostel?

    Surrre, go aheaaaad, book for the coast, asshole.

    A man does that shit to me, he will come home to a locked house, a gun, my new man, and restraining order.

    To quote Vasquez in Aliens, “Oh yeah…? Watch us.”

  • Harley Quinn

    It’s called if you want a Barbie doll go buy one. We’re humans. We’re not put here to smile on fucking parade for you.

    The Joker smiles all the time. Doesn’t mean Batman wants to fuck him.

  • Sarah

    Don’t forget his counterpart. Small, shriveled, receding hairline comic book/video game boy with stark, staring black beady eyes, a microscopic dick, and a complexion like oatmeal.

    He wants a 10 though, ladies! Prepare to be negged and receive kino.

    Lose that last 3.1 pounds or you’re Orca from Sea World! But remember carefully: HE doesn’t have to work off that flab stomach that’s hiding his pitiful dick (convenient that lol), wax that stinking tag cloud of dirty blonde pubic hair (or even wash it), get some sun on his skin or correct that pattern baldness. He is ENTITLED to your pussy and you HAD BETTER BE THANKFUL HEEEEE is BRIEFLY INTERESTED in youuuuu.

    Luls. Both should take each other as sex partners and leave us women the fuck out of it. I vote fat boy as the bottom, rat boy as the top, and us miles away with our BOBs, batteries and some vino. Who’s with me?

  • kEiThZ

    There was a time I thought this way. Don’t. Dude, you skydive. You’re fucking awesome. You are exactly the kind of excitement many chicks are looking for. You have to communicate that to them.

  • Sharon

    Take time to examine honestly the type of women you are pursuing. My hunch is there are a lot of women who would enjoy you. I have seen men who set their sights on the wrong kind of women in the wrong kind of places for a lifetime and end up bitter and rejected (same goes for women). Shake it up and go somewhere else and make sure you are not passing up a good woman because she doesn’t fit some preconceived ideal. A person can grow hate by knocking their head on the wrong door year after year. It’s unfair to yourself and to the beautiful warm woman who would love to meet and accept you. Let me say that a man has never turned me off just because he was short. I am not drawn to alpha type men (yuck)… but rather a confident happy man who knows himself and likes himself and makes others feel good about themselves, too. Let go of the past, childhood and all, forgive it and get yourself to a great future. Best wishes, handsome. It can be very different for you if you are brave enough to allow it. xoxo