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Poor arguments and invalid analogies wrapped up in a disguising piece of “thought-provoking”, bullshit prose. What a crock.

Maybe you think sitting around in the mud is fun… then again, that’s probably why all you do is sit around and write books on getting laid. Well done.

“I’m intellectual and mature and worldly because I gave up my job to travel!!”

Laughable.

There is the human option to the gorilla — these are called homeless people. The smell about the same too.

Roosh I love pigs :-)……..I love my queen too though :-)…..work is more fun when you know what you are working for, no matter how much you have to break your back, honest truth….Same work I did two years ago is much more fun today knowing what it allows me to enjoy and who enjoy it with…..

Yeah speakeasy

And they do it legally because they changed the tax code. We (99%) can’t do it because we were written out of the process when they changed it to benefit themselves. The tax code is used against us.

*and Goodnuts the topic is work and work is money so put 2 and 2 together.

Now the topic is politics?

Dick Goodnuts’s last blog post: Relentless. A look inside the Obama campaign.

“You do realize who the hell pays the taxes in this country, right? Sure as fuck not you.”

right – fuck you back “anonymous expert”

If the people making the most money actually paid the taxes at the tax rate of people making even 80k there wouldn’t be a discussion going on about the crisis in most peoples households and the recession.

Recently Warren Buffet explained publicly that he easily pays a much lower tax rate than his secretary, and we know he is one of the most public billionaires. Most ultra-wealthy are loath to have anyone know anything about them.

The top 1% own roughly 42.5% of the wealth in the US. That is capital that the 99% remaining will never have. Add to that the inclination of the wealthy to always want to add more to their portfolios. 99% don’t get the loopholes or the golden parachutes.

The main problem is certainly the enormous amount of tax breaks that have been (legally) engineered by the wealthy employers of the lobbyists who are adding in the very effective LOOPHOLES to the U.S. tax code. It doesn’t even matter what the tax rate is when LOOPHOLES take their income off the table so that capital won’t be taxed. That is the simplest truth that has the most effect in economic policy today.

We the people – the vast majority of income earning Americans are in effect having our taxes funneled (legally) directly to the wealthy in thousands of lobbyist engineered ways – so we are all losing a substantial percentage of the benefits of our work – which is paid to the govt in taxes and is (legally) skimmed by the wealthy.

It takes the best tax law attorneys and accountants to subvert the code and they are paid far more by the wealthy, than by the rest of Americans – so they are winning. Straight and simple.

It needs to be fixed.

(The top 1% in technical work isn’t the same as the top 1% in income. But there’s a significant amount of overlap. Also, the two 1% groups are coupled in another way. It is easy to dream of suppressing the top 1% in income while still efficiently motivating and exploiting the work of the top technical 1% for one’s own goals. Realizing the dream in practice seems to be harder.)

I would have to point out the Japanese example brought up by another commenter. The disparity of extreme wealth disparity between the CEOs and the top technical workers is smaller there. The top managers in Japan also work extremely hard, though that is unsurprising since the culture is filled with workaholics.

Hard work is an end unto itself for the Japanese, and recognition for that work — the prestige and influence — are viewed upon as just as important, if not more so, than the monetary reward.

It’s a different culture, of course, but your sights are very narrow if you believe that you can only motivate people with money.

Actually, I think that at least since the Industrial Revolution, the top 1% has made a pretty big difference in how we live.

E.g., this discussion is being conducted on the Internet, courtesy of some clever ideas like band theory, zone melting, IC photolithography, and packet switching. I think such things would probably have been developed much more slowly if the top 1% of the world didn’t exist. See also affordable reliable automobiles and telephones, the Green Revolution, the computerized logistics revolution, and a few other things which affect productivity and quality of life.

(The top 1% in technical work isn’t the same as the top 1% in income. But there’s a significant amount of overlap. Also, the two 1% groups are coupled in another way. It is easy to dream of suppressing the top 1% in income while still efficiently motivating and exploiting the work of the top technical 1% for one’s own goals. Realizing the dream in practice seems to be harder.)

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Roosh wrote “The europeans killed them [the natives of the Americas] from their diseases, which came from agriculture and urban living.” Actually, the natives themselves had some impressive agriculture and cities: _1491_ is a fascinating recent book on this and other things. And the European disease pool was so vicious that it clobbered even less-concentrated native groups. Likely its relative viciousness wasn’t just because of European agriculture and cities, but also because the Europe/Asia/Africa ecosystem is somewhat bigger and includes all of man’s close evolutionary relatives (whose diseases sometimes jump to man).

If you wanted something bad enough, you would act. If you cared about something intensely enough, you would act.

If you don’t like what a CEO is getting paid, don’t buy their product. If you buy their product, don’t act like you have no other choice.

Oh, I do act. I’m getting money out of US bank systems. I don’t watch TV. I don’t buy much of anything.

Did I act like I have no other choice? I’d be fine with living in poverty, actually, because guess what? I did live in poverty.

You’re being aggressive online for no reason. Did someone take your cookie?

oh wait, he also owned a baseball team!! more props!!

@ speakeasy
whenever anyone talks about Obama’s lack of experience, just think about Governor George W. Bush. He had soooo much experience and boy did it pay off!!!

Obviously the 95% of has most the money will pay the most. But they also benefit the most

Actually they benefit the least. The majority of tax dollars go to entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security for which the rich don’t see a dime.

and the taxes they pay are much smaller percent of their income than the little guy pays.

Actually they pay a much larger percent of their income than the litte guy pays. Do you not know what a progressive tax system is?

That’s like so deep man. You totally blew my mind. It’s just like wow!!! Seriously. You are like the Confucius of the the blogosphere.

Hope, again, what risks have you taken? None! You don’t want to. You are content. Nothing wrong with that. Just remember it is YOUR CHOICE.

If you wanted something bad enough, you would act. If you cared about something intensely enough, you would act.

If you are unhappy with the return from your bank, finding another investment vehicle and stop whining.

If you don’t like what a CEO is getting paid, don’t buy their product. If you buy their product, don’t act like you have no other choice.

Shit or get off the pot.

Obama is about the closest thing as we’ll get to an honest and principled politician. He’s not perfect, but the guy is a saint compared to who we have in office now. People claim he hasn’t had enough experience, but in my opinion that means he’s had less time to get entangled with lobbyist and fewer IOUs.

Bullshit. Read the legal documents.

“What a whiney assed bunch of children with an intense sense of entitlement.”

It’s funny that what we call “a sense of entitlement” in America, supposedly something to be ashamed of, is the norm in the rest of the industrialized world. In the war year, people like you would’ve fought against social security and watch the elderly wither away in poverty because you hate a “sense of entitlement”.

“You’re not a multi-millionaire? Cry me a river. What risks have you taken in life to make that money? What risks have you taken to achieve your life dreams? What effort have you put out at all?”

Logic should tell you that everyone cannot be a millionaire no matter how many risk they took and no matter how hard they try. You can’t have a society of all chiefs captains and no grunts, it simply doesn’t work that way. Capitalism is a pyramid with room for very few on top. Of course it’s not necessary for everyone to be a millionaire, that’s fine with me, but that’s why we have a middle class, so that your average Joe can still have a house, a livable wage, adequate education for his kids, food, be able to go to the doctor if he’s sick. What we’ve seen in the last few decades is an economy where things are getting ever more expensive, while wages are stagnant for the average person, meaning they are actually going in the hole. Then you find out that CEOs of banks that are failing are getting $60,000,000 golden parachutes and Exxon-Mobile in one year makes more profit than probably all the sub-saharan African countries combined. And that these same companies lobby your president to not regulate the oil industry. You really should look at a history of wealth in this country. I’m not communist at all, I don’t believe there should be no rich or that the rich shouldn’t be rewarded for hard work. But at a certain extreme, it gets to be unnerving, because I think we’re slowly heading in the direction of Brazil or Mexico where you have the 5% elite at the top driving Maseratis and corrupting and lobbying the system to work to their advantage, and then you have everyone else clipping coupons just trying to get by. I don’t want that type of society. I want the type of society we had in the 1950s where a CEO made 20x the salary of his average employer(or like it is in Japan now), rather than the 500x it’s at now. If that’s a “sense of entitlement” then so be it.

“You do realize who the hell pays the taxes in this country, right? Sure as fuck not you.”

We all pay taxes. Obviously the 95% of has most the money will pay the most. But they also benefit the most and the taxes they pay are much smaller percent of their income than the little guy pays. If gas goes up a dollar tomorrow, the average Joe is hurting. The top 5% doesn’t even notice.

“And by the way, Obama is AS smarmy as every other politician out there. He will lose, because half the democratic party doesn’t think he can do the job.”

Obama is about the closest thing as we’ll get to an honest and principled politician. He’s not perfect, but the guy is a saint compared to who we have in office now. People claim he hasn’t had enough experience, but in my opinion that means he’s had less time to get entangled with lobbyist and fewer IOUs.

OBAMA 2008!