A common criticism I see is the following: “You can’t get laid in the United States so you go to third world countries to fuck poor women.” It’s an easy insult that serves a strong purpose for the two groups that primarily use it, women and beta males.

For women, it allows them to believe that they are still beautiful princesses who don’t have to lose weight, adjust their attitude, grow their hair, or put on a pair of high heels. It’s much easier to call guys like me “losers,” to believe that no desirable man would ever step foot inside Brazil or Poland to meet women, than it is to look in the mirror and be disappointed with what they see.

For beta males and white knights, the insult allows them to deny the fact that other men are pulling quality women while they’re getting nothing but turd droppings from butch feminists. They want to believe that a man who does “dating travel” only gets uneducated, diseased women who have AIDS and large vaginal sores. It’s much easier for him to fire off the insult than to tighten his game, stop playing video games, stop pedastalizing masculine women, and undertake the challenge of world travel where English may not be the dominant language.

There is no snappy retort when someone uses the insult because it comes from two deeply held beliefs of self-preservation:

1. “I don’t have to change or improve myself to get what I want.”
2. “If someone doesn’t like me, it’s never my fault.”

Most guys who dabble in dating travel do it not because they can’t get laid in America, but because they want to lay better. An American man with tight game can leverage that into getting with foreign women who I guarantee will increase his happiness level. Yet as I’ve said before, how you’ll do abroad is based on how well you do at home. All the guys who think that it’s a cakewalk to get laid with beautiful women in places like Colombia and Argentina have obviously never stepped more than a couple feet away from their masturbation station. It can be easy only after hard work and time, but not right as you get off the plane.

How about the guy with severe appearance deformities, negative game, and a psychiatric disorder who decides to hit Thailand in order to sleep with a dozen prostitutes? Should we shame him for such a trip?

We shouldn’t. If it makes him happy, and he’s able to leverage his American dollars to get abroad what he can’t get at home, he should fuck all the prostitutes he can handle. Explain to me how it’s smart for any society to prevent millions of sexually frustrated men from getting their biological needs met. For feminists to deny fucking these “losers” and then shame them at the same time for paying prostitutes is nothing short of cruel. If these men committed mass suicide, not a single feminist tear would be shed.

I have any analogy for why guys like me hit the road in search of their own little slice of happiness. Let’s say that the town you live in has only two bars called Cuntfest Bar and Poonani Paradise Bar. It’s Friday night and you get separate text messages from friends who are at each bar. Here’s what the text messages say…

Friend number one: “I’m at Cuntfest Bar and it sucks. There are six dudes for every girl, and the girls are hideous and overweight. Their attitude sucks.”

Friend number two: “I’m at Poonani Paradise Bar. There are four girls for every guy. The girls are feminine, beautiful, affectionate, and a pleasure to talk to. Most are wearing short skirts and 4-inch heels.”

American women and their beta-male apologists would have you believe that you’re a creep and a douche bag for going to Poonani Paradise Bar. Their argument is that you should “man up” by going to Cuntfest Bar, which is close to how I see America.

By going to Poonani Paradise Bar and refusing to put up with bad behavior, obesity, and so on, you have declared war on American women. You are now the enemy. They will begin to use all sorts of weaponry to make you feel ashamed for going to Poonani Paradise Bar, because they know that the less people who believe in Cuntfest Bar, the less power they have. Anything you do that increases your ability to be sexually successful while decreasing your dependence on dating American women will result in them trying to isolate and disparage you. The quickest way to enrage an American girl or her beta male orbiter is to state that you don’t need American pussy.

Imagine for a second if every man in the United States not only knew about Poonani Paradise Bar but also the means to go and stay there. What would happen? Withdrawal of penis from the American dating market. The most valuable and sharpest men would abstain from relationships with American women, who would gradually lose their power and have to make adjustments. While I don’t think this will happen in my lifetime, women are only willing to make changes when the number of men trying to fuck them decrease. To keep the line of desperate men long and obedient, they will do all they can to spread the word that Cuntfest Bar is the only acceptable bar for men to drink at.

Their growing problem, however, is that too many men have been to Poonani Paradise Bar, also known as the “third world” (a tag given for any country not in predominately white North America or Western Europe). These guys are now starting to tell their friends. They’re going on forums and writing positive reviews praising Poonani Paradise Bar:

“5 stars for thin girls”
“Fell in love, will visit again”
“A++++ says my dick”

Women can continue to call me and my brothers-in-arms losers and creeps for going to the “third world,” but we still won’t accept their obese and sloppy appearance, we still won’t put up with their shitty attitudes, we still won’t marry them, and we still won’t give up the prime of our lives to be with them. If being happier means being outcast by low-quality women who don’t even act like women, then so be it. South America, Southeast Asia, and Eastern Europe, here we come.

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I could’ve gotten laid a lot more than I did when I was living in the States but was dealing with unfeminine women and putting up with their bullshit really worth all the effort just so that I could get my dick wet? like you’ve said in a previous post, men need to be inspired. I was uninspired by the women in the US and that lead me to a depression that wasn’t cured until I stepped into South America.

i have always enjoyed your articles Roosh. They are the bright spot in my day. Right now i am living in Brazil and it is very nice, but i do have to report that Brazil i now unfortuatly becoming much more Americanized. You see the girls with the big – ass sunglasses and the money minded attitude more and more.It is very sad to see women lose their proud Latin Roots I have had women give me the look and then when i approach they have litteraly turned their back or my personal favorite…..look straight ahead with a huge scowl and pretend you are not speaking to them. I think it is time to move on….

Just for the record. The friendliest and most beautiful girls i have met was in Guadalajara, Mexico. Very friendly and approachable women there.

any suggestions?

I think if I lived in DC or even in Boston, where I grew up, I might agree with you here. I wouldn’t generalize the USA that way though – there are still hotbeds of talent (San Diego, San Francisco, areas of Florida, the South, NYC, etc.)

I, like most readers of this blog, prefer foreign women because they’re different, and more feminine. They are exciting, unpredictable, and the process of making it work in another country to the point that you’ve got her panting your name in her foreign tongue is a badge of honor that only those who’ve attained can understand.

I think there’s an argument somewhere for the lasting quality of this thrillride though. It works because they’re different and exciting. But what happens once they’ve adapted? Will we have to travel to bleak, unattractive locations to find the untarnished women? I hope not.

Great post Roosh.

Fair play to any man who has the financial means and the language skills to emigrate or take regular trips abroad.

For those of us who are stuck in the Anglosphere, it might be an idea to simply stop wasting time in unproductive venues or with unattractive women.

Well done, Roosh.

Roosh, you’re probably talking about DC. the women in cities such as NYC and austin are quite good. But as I have already commented earlier, your post makes complete sense for a white guy. For an Indian guy, it’s the United states and other englosh speaking nations that are the best bet for running game and getting laid. Once I get the means to quite my soul sucking beta-izing corporate Job, I’m gonna hit the world full time like you. I bet my experiences will be very different from yours. If my experiences so far are anything to go by, for the same amount of game I get a better American/Western European woman than an EE/Asian/Hispanic woman. Still, if
a. you’re white and American……and
b. Have the means to do what Roosh is doing…… and
c. you Are not doing it
then YOU my friend are a Fool.

Just make sure American femcunts don’t start opening subsidiaries of Cuntfest Bar in the rest of the planet by exporting feminism!

Two thumbs up. The so called “Sexual Revolution” went in the wrong direction. Instead of having the sexual freedom to create a non-judgmental society where men and women could genuinely feel free to express their natural sexuality together as a masculine man and a feminine women thus being happier, it was turned into attacking men and having women seek an economic agenda. Today some men are looking all over the world to find the few women who still have some feminine energy that turns his masculine energy on enough to generate the desire to do something.

Amen! I moved to Taiwan and love it! It’s funny because I’m not alone. I’ve met Swedish, Canadian, American and many other guys from Western countries and they tell me how much better Asian women are compared to Western women.

Asian women: generally thin, sweet, feminine, lovely, humble, caring, and endearing.

Western women: generally fat, mean, masculine, bitchy, arrogant, indifferent, and despicable.

Roosh, maybe you should keep this “third world” secret a secret. More poon for you and me! Ironically though, with the women here I actually want to respect and love them instead of pump ‘n’ dump. Back in the States I couldn’t actually treat most women with enough respect to consider them relationship worthy. But here… I just can’t “fuck them over.”

I can’t wait to visit Latin America and Eastern Europe later on.

I never realized how chunky the ladies of the good ol’ US of A were until I went abroad.

I had trouble reconciling the idea of thin women acting friendly and not like stuck-up “goddesses” until I started researching it on the net.

I still have trouble believing that which I saw with my own eyes…how can women be that thin and that nice at the same time? It’s not like I rolled up in a Ferrari wearing top-shelf Armani, so they can’t all be gold diggers.

Now that I’m back in the US, I keep staring at the land-whales and their inflated sense of self-esteem…with horror. There are far too many. Why?!!

I really need to get out of America.

@ Fortaleza

Don’t worry. The American Empire will fall within our lifetimes and feminism will be the main culprit for America’s demise. American influence will begin to wane. It’s already starting wane in Southeast Asia. We should hasten this fall by expatting by the millions to the “third world” and make the world a happier place for millions of unappreciated American men and abused foreign women. Then we’ll see how “strong and independent” American women really are when billions of dollars of tax money that should have come from hardworking American men never materializes because they “jumped ship!”

A man should do what is good for him, who cares what other think. Only you have best interests for yourself and no one else.

One thing I’m noticing in the MSM; there is a developing social convention not just to shame men for looking into foreign options for women, but to also conflate that desire with ‘sexual tourism’ and human trafficking. Essentially, admitting to actively seeking sexual opportunities in another country is tantamount to being a sexual predatory.

Naturally this only applies to men. Women going on holiday with the express purpose of fucking the cabana boy on the French Riviera (eat, pray love) are just empowering themselves in exploring their options away from all the rude and infantile American men.

Excellent thought experiment.

The distinction between beta and white knight is an important one. There are plenty of betas who secretly admire players, and they don’t explicitly encourage these negative traits among Western women. Not so with white knights. Both do contribute indirectly as well, unfortunately.

Ugh…Beta male orbiters and white knights are the WORST. I actually hate them more then I hate feminists.

“If my experiences so far are anything to go by, for the same amount of game I get a better American/Western European woman than an EE/Asian/Hispanic woman.”

Sure my friend, go ahead! You can take and keep all the western women you want! Have fun!!

“turd droppings from butch feminists” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!

@1
I couldnt agree more.

@2
Bad Blake– I am considering Central America or Brazil next…is Brazil really becoming that tainted? What part are you in? Maybe you are in more of a tourist spot?

Great post Roosh, this especially hit home:

“Anything you do that increases your ability to be sexually successful while decreasing your dependence on dating American women will result in them trying to isolate and disparage you. The quickest way to enrage an American girl or her beta male orbiter is to state that you don’t need American pussy.”

I have only been home for two weeks from Eastern Europe, and I have already made this mistake. People I once considered friends who have I met up with try to pigeon hole me into their way of thinking. I have been vocal about my preferences for foreign women and even more vocal about my displeasure of the attitudes and masculinity of the Americans girls and “isolation” and “disparagement” are most certainly what I have been greeted with.

Probably has a lot to do with the fact that they dont feel comfortable going abroad without being in a sterilized resort or have to keep their belief systems safe and justify why they got married so young, but it certainly feels like I am crazy sometimes because no one else (besides guys on this forum or dudes I meet abroad), see what I see and have understanding.

ah well. Back to South America:)

Keep the posts coming Roosh.

Turner

Roosh isn’t talking about JUST DC. Yes, NYC has nice looking women, and there may be more of them because the cream from other cities not just in the US, but the world come here. Industries like fashion, PR, TV and other media are here, so that lures many of them also. But there are also more fatties too. And it’s not just about he looks – it’s about the attitude of the American woman that lives in the big cities. Just because their feet touch the concrete in a metropolitan city, they believe their stock is raised.

Good article. I travel a lot for extended periods, never solely to meet women but I do like to sample the foreign exotic beauties whenever I can. Many people have branded me a whoremonger and think I go abroad and pay for it when in fact I’ve never paid for it in my life, at home or abroad.

I had a Brazilian girl who I met in Rio come visit me at home recently, good looking and fun girl, had told a few people from work and mates she was coming over and got a lot of comments and qurestions like:
“Are you paying for her to come?” (I didn’t)
“What’s wrong with the local girls?” (The majority of girls round here are a disgrace),
“She’s only after your passport and money” (She has more money & a higher class of life than me and is better travelled).
and the best one….”She must be a ladyboy or something”. Charming.

Give me those fun, sexy, good looking foreign girls any6 day.

@20 KingofScotland…it’s funny how you don’t hear the “buy American” cheer for anything else, but a man dares to spend time with a woman that wasn’t born here, and all of a sudden everyone wants to wrap themselves in the stars & stripes. Some years ago I told some of my boys that if I could help it, I wouldn’t bother with another American woman. I got some of the same reaction. But that was before they themselves started venturing outside of the US. Once they sampled foreign woman, and experienced how they were treated as compared to the average chick stateside, they were ALL hooked. American women will never understand, because it isn’t in their interests to, but I’d introduce her in a social setting to some of the clowns…I mean guys in your office that question you.

Honestly I think foreign countries are still easier even with a lower degree of gaming ability. I had about an order of magnitude (We really need an SI unit for this) less approach anxiety in the Czech Republic as I do here in the U.S., and it’s mainly because Czech girls were actually nice instead of either flat out ignoring me, providing a minimal response without returning eye contact, or insulting me because they got worked up from the latest article on Jizzabel they just read.

That said, time to go to Starbucks and get hit on by Billy the baristo…sigh.

Another fantastic post roosh! I’m saving up for my Penthouse in Medellin. Just a few more years and i’ll own a piece of paradise!!!

“I think if I lived in DC or even in Boston, where I grew up, I might agree with you here. I wouldn’t generalize the USA that way though – there are still hotbeds of talent (San Diego, San Francisco, areas of Florida, the South, NYC, etc.)”

I can’t think of a place in a foreign country I have been to in the last few years that didn’t destroy San Diego and San Francisco.

Combined.

- MPM

I think guys are confused, and believe Roosh is saying there aren’t good looking girls anywhere in the US. He’s talking MORE about the lack of femininity and fucked up attitudes that are lacking in American girls. A woman can be physically attractive but not be feminine. They can be physically beautiful, but dress sloppily and don’t highlight those attributes. Sure, you can find physically beautiful girls in just about every city, especially big cities and warm weather spots. That isn’t the point. If you’re talking about the combination of looks, femininity and attitude, you find that more offshore…

And now for our theme song, American Woman, by Lenny Kravitz. “American Woman stay away from me,..I got more important things to do,..American women Listen what ROOSH say,..I gotta go.”

Poonani Paradise!

Rollo

One thing I’m noticing in the MSM; there is a developing social convention not just to shame men for looking into foreign options for women, but to also conflate that desire with ‘sexual tourism’ and human trafficking.

Yes. While this makes for poor logic, it makes for sound propaganda. Take two mildly related ideas and put them side by side habitually. It’s a type of NLP. People don’t pay much attention to where they get their ideas from, or if their ideas fit together cohesively into a big picture. People are largely content with fragments of ideas loosely conveying feelings hither thither – a kaleidoscope of ideas rather than a hologram of ideas.

Women naturally use propaganda – they argue socially, not rationally. Win over the group in order to win the argument, rather than win the argument in order to win over the group.

This is great, sound, wise politics.

I keep secret the cities I know of that are undiscovered by westerners for poon hunting.

I’m counting on secret cities being available for 20 more years. After that I’ll work the secret villages.

American men have been immersed in this shithole for so long that unless they have had the chance to experience just how much better foreign women are they will continue to accept our substandard women without a second thought.

I find it very hard these days to muster the energy to put forth even a token effort into hooking up with american women. The formula is 10 phone numbers = 6 flakes, a couple of dates and one lay. Hours and hours of my time to bang one chick who in most cases I would be embarrassed to introduce to my mom.

It would be one thing if I was looking to get married and I had to sift through a pile of garbage to find a diamond, but the marriage value of these women has been utterly destroyed. Even if I didn’t have to worry about divorce theft I have no desire to chain myself to one of these football loving, overweight men with tits.

I am still working on formulating a specific goal but tentatively I would like to be in the position of being able to travel extensively in about a year and a half, maybe at least spend my summers in EE.

Life is too short fellas. Wake up. Regardless of what anyone tells you you have no obligation to buy a load of damaged goods. You only have one life and it’s a short one. Look out for #1.

I’m a young blood and still haven’t had a chance to travel to these places where feminism hasn’t ruined the women yet. It will be a number of years before I have enough money to really travel(though my Spanish is getting quite good).

I’m worried that feminism will get to these places before I do. How long do you all think until all but the most remote places are turned?

I’m excited to meet a real, feminine women and would be distraught if they vanish before I can.

all i have to say is…. FUCK YOU CUNTS!!!!!

I love this post

This post is true. My favourite is “economic disparities” as if the new entrants to the EU were still in the USSR and the girls couldn’t simply move to London and get a job there – which of course hundreds of thousands of them do.

My answer is always – if it’s so easy to pull stunners overseas, why are you still in the West?

Typical American, big city woman:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/fashion/sometimes-its-not-you-or-the-math-modern-love.html?_r=1&ref=general&src=me&pagewanted=all

Roosh = God.

Carry on.

I´d wager that before you ever ventured out of the usa you were one of those idiots who called men who traveled and dated foreign women Looooooooosers….
What you stated here has been common knowledge for globe trotters for well over 10 years now.

@26 Brain
“American Woman” was written by The Guess Who–canadian band from winnipeg who came from a mormon backgrond :)

Kravitz’ rendition was good though!

sorry Brian

I live in Bogota, Colombia, and there are many nerdy gringos in Latin America who never got laid in their home countries. There are lots of guys taking advantage of being seen as rich in the third world. It’s even worse in ASIA!

Yeah, “American Women” has a different meaning when you know that it was written by Canadian men.

I have always agreed with the idea that femenism was a giant collective shit test by women on society. Our fathers generation failed the shit test. So, as players, what do we do when a woman (or an entire society of women) shit tests to much and becomes undatable.
We walk away.

I think I’m doing the day game stuff wrong:

“Hi, is that purse a good brand? My current purse isn’t working very well and I’m trying to shop around for a new one. You know when I was abroad men’s purses were referred to as European Carry-alls…”

I like how you said to stop shaming men for the choices that they decide to make regarding women. You tell them to stop both ridiculing men who go the foreign women to find love and/or sex and men who go to prostitutes to find sex. If a man takes himself out of the competition either through foreign women or through prostitutes, it only makes that much easier for us men who remain. I feel the same way about gay men, although their sex behavior viscerally disgusts me, but they take themselves out of the competition. Female homosexuals irritate me more because even though it may be exciting to watch two hot chicks go at it(mainly because as aman I want an orgy with them), they increase the competition of men who want to date or have sex with women.

I’m not surprised by the heterosexual female response as they have a dog in the fight. The one’s who really disgust me are the men who use shaming tactics regarding men who go to foreign women or prostitutes. They really disgust me if it is done in mixed company. They disgust me even more when they single a specific man out for ridicule.

If a man tries to shame me by saying I use prostitutes among men I tell him to shut his mouth if he’s lucky. If he does it in front of women too, I tell him his mother was a great whore. If he has a problem with it, I tell him she must not have raised him right because noone would bring the topic up in mixed company nor even up among men unless they trusted eachother and were friends. If women do this, I ask them how much she as a whore is charging, and that it’s too much for whatever it is. Don’t get jealous of better competition than yourself(to the woman) or to your mom(the man). Even in East Asia, specifically South Korea, where prostitution is way more rampant and accepted, it is not ok to say such things. Only men who are trusted and preferably friends would ever talk about this with eachother, and it is forbidden for men to say which men have been to prostitutes. Try these tactics with these assholes if you think you can get away with it.

A very common sound byte that one also hears when an American man goes foreign is that “He can’t handle a strong woman” pure bullshit shaming tactic. I even heard this being said one time when I was in Norway speaking to a colleague of mine, who is european. The topic was brought up in a discussion about a man who found his wife in the Philippine islands. My colleague played this sound bite. Meanwhile he’s miserable many times, and his wife (from Germany) although she’s not horrible, nonetheless she is still is westernized and well cared for on his dime. It’s incredible just how this crap has transcended borders.

But it behooves any man to also think about becoming an expat. If you live outside the anglosphere the whole criticism becomes a non-issue. You will never have to deal with the pathetic shaming tactics from citizens of a society that is profoundly sick. You will be able to spend your life with your foreign sweetie and watch the rigor mortis of what was once a great nation (USA) turn into a wasteland.

Going overseas for sex is an admission that you are not in the top 40% of guys with game in America.

Guys who are getting the hotter girls in any large American city, with the sweet feminine girls from this group (and there are many), wold not want to deal with all the bullshit and the huge learning curve for getting girls overseas.

A guy who has tight game should have no problem getting the hotter, sweet, feminine girls in America, even if they are a much smaller percentage of the girls than in any foreign country.

For that guy, having to deal with the bullshit of a foreign culture and the learning curve just does not make any kind of sense.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with going overseas for better sex – I think its an awsome thing to do! – but by definition, if someone does that, he is pretty much admitting that he does not have great game and he is incapable of getting with the hot girls in America, and so is willing to take on a huge learning curve and foreign culture bullshit, which is not fun.

Again, nothing wrong with this, and just because a guy does not have tight game is no reason he should be shamed – in fact, he should be ENCOURAGED to go overseas to have some fun and see how easy it can be!

But lets be honest, no American guy in the top percentiles of attractiveness to women will have any incentive to put up with the learning curve and other foreign bullshit.

Fortunately there is another reason to travel overseas – adventure!

@”Jive man”

Y’know, not everyone considers foreign culture “bullshit”. Personally, I find it refreshing to take in a culture that hasn’t been marinating in feminism for 50 years and homo-norming for 15.

If Western culture is so wonderful, why is it so sick?

Twenty, I meant the huge learning curve that Roosh alluded to in his post to get good with the local girls – it takes time and effort.

No guy who is getting decent poon in the States is gonna rush into that.

Western culture is very sick, no question about that – but there are still fairly large pockets of sweet, feminine, super-hot girls in any large American city.

Problem is, you gotta be in the upper quintiles of male attractiveness (i.e have tight game) to get with these girls.

Guys who cant do that SHOULD travel to get girls, there is no shame in that, its a fantastic idea – but traveling for poon is pretty much an admission of not having tight game in America, thats all – and again, there is nothing shameful in that!

Of course foreign cultures are fun and a great reason to travel!

“any large American city, with the sweet feminine girls from this group (and there are many)”

I call bullshit on this assertion. I travel a lot in the USA and there is no way in hell that there are ALOT of hot, sweet, SINGLE feminine women in the USA. Total bullshit. Women like this do exist but they are SUPER RARE and most of them are already taken. Think about it, how many women are a 7 or above in the USA ? I’d say less than 20%. How many of those 7s and above are SWEET and FEMININE in the USA ? We are talking crumbs my friend.

Adding to my commentary in post 41, it really come down to an issue of respect. If you want respect, then give respect and expect respect. It would be difficult to find worse than American women, although Canadian and British women are fierce competitors being dregs of womankind. It really is shocking on how little most American men know how poor American women are. American women don’t know either until they go overseas. Both are shocked when they finally realize it and are even hurt when it begins to dawn on them.

If you think an American woman is top flight and you have great game. Get married to them See what happens. Let someone like me laugh at you as you realize that you have either enslaved yourself to a nice master at best, and to a cruel vindictive master who relishes destroying you at worst. Also see what happens when they realize that you don’t want to marry, and how unpleasant they become.

@30
You stole my thunder.life is too short.fuck what friends or family are going to say about a trip to Thailand.they’ll have to get over it and realize that everyone has needs that American women can never provide what a over seas chick could.They are just warmer than most american women will ever be.
@43
well put,good points made sir.

A woman’s true worth is what kind of man, a good man, wants to marry her and how many of these good men want to marry her. Most American women are cum dumpsters at best. They are creatures to avoid at worst. Where marriage would be favorable to a man such as Saudi Arabia, it is not even a good idea to marry a typical American woman who would never be allowed to leave that country.

@lucien, you just cant get them my friend ;) (Not that I am bragging, I have a hard time too. Lets just be honest here, they exist, in droves)

Even roosh once admitted that Polish girls above 8 are extremely rare but there are a ton of 6s and 7s.

Which is exactly my point. For guys getting sub-7s, overseas is the way to go!

There are tons of 8s and up in Miami, New York, Los Angeles – heck, lots of Third World beauties make a beeline for these cities, heh.

@ Jive man

Dude, have you been outside the US? I’m in Asia and there are attractive, thin, feminine women EVERYWHERE. All I have to do is walk outside and they’ll be droves of them. Of course, I’m not saying that there are no women like that in the US, but American culture is profoundly sick and seriously lacks quality women relative to the general female population. I lived in Los Angeles and the San Francisco Bay Area, and while there are attractive, thin women in these areas, I have rarely met marriage worthy ones. Only in seriously conservative, ethnic churches have I seen a decent number.

Travel is good regardless of whether you’re going for women or not. But let me tell you… feminism has seriously screwed the majority of American women mentally, psychologically, physically and emotionally. They’re beasts ready to attack when times go bad – for the most part.

In the U.S. there is cute girls here and there, only to discover that many of them are still in high school or college, so for the guys not also around college age it may be better to not end up playing jail game. From their mid 20′s to 30′s most women in the U.S. go downhill fast (looks and femininity), thus there is a limited supply of attractive women (because they don’t have the incentive or motivation to stay in shape because they now don’t need men to reach their financial and career objectives, and the majority of men are not going to say to these women that her degree/80 pound overweight ass/and expensive vehicle is so HOT. Then when we see a sexy foreign chick with her firm body in a short skirt and look at her ass and think FUCK and immediately approach her – that was a hard decision.

To make the analogy a bit more accurate, imagine that the Cuntfest bar has some pretty, decent girls. Not as many girls as the Poonani bar (and not as nice or pretty) but still decent and with a little hustle you can land one.

Imagine further that in order to frequent the Poonani bar you need to quit your job and give up any hope of leading a normal middle class lifestyle. Instead, you will go back there every week like some kind of drug addict, accumulating various strange diseases.

53,

Corrected:

To make the analogy a bit more accurate, imagine that the Cuntfest bar requires you to go back every week like some drug addict to try to find a pretty decent girl, accumulating various diseases because the women there are sluts that sleep with random guys without condoms. Also, when you think you’ve hustled a decent one, she divorces you and makes your normal middle class job irrelevant by stealing hald of what you got.

Imagine further that in order to frequent the Poonani bar, you need to buy a plane ticket and discover a country that has a higher quality of life despite “third world” slurs by ignorant people. For the price of learning the language eventually, you can find a good wife after having slept with an abundance of hotties.

@Jive man I agree and disagree. When a guy is getting laid like gangbusters, what happens is his physical needs are satiated, but the ego needs more validation. This is where Foreign women come in. Is my game so good and so adaptable that I can go to a foreign country, game women in a language that is not my own and sleep with them. It is the ultimate challenge for a player. I can totally see good players wanting to do foreign women just for the challenge. Some people just want to know how good they are. Kinda like mel gibson in that movie “maverick”. I really want to know how good I am kinda deal

now the other point. A lot of this complaining regarding american women comes from American (white) men because “why should an American man be bothered with gaming a woman when an EE/Asian/Hispanic woman will fuck him just for being American (White)” You see, I’m indian. So no EE/Asian/hispanic woman will treat me as anything special. For me, I have to run game on all women. So to me, American women do not come across as anything extra-bitchy. In fact I have a better chance with them because of the common language and also the fact that they will give a brownie like me a chance. You see, to an american woman a white American man is no big deal. she’s used to them. She asks , “so what else you got?”. that’s where game comes in. As for an EE/Asian/hispanic woman, a white western man is a prize. I can’t beat a white western man in competition with such a woman unless his game is way below mine.

The problem is (of course) that it is harder to make a decent living in Third World countries. Well-paying jobs are very hard to get there, and if you want to be an entrepreneur you have to grease the local bureaucrats.
As soon as there is an abundance of money and well-paying jobs in a given country, it is not Third World anymore and the women become just as bitchy as in the First World (what is the Second World, by the way?)

So it definitely is not just a matter of hopping on plane. Yeah, you could do that and blow your saved $$$ for a while, but it will eventually run out, and then you’d be without a pension, savings, or health insurance.

Compare the pros and cons yourself and decide if the trade-off is worth. Like in every area in life, there is a trade-off here as well.

In the U.S. the hottest girl I was gaming recently I approached her during the day by walking by and saying hi. She asked me my name in an accent. I said I was in a hurry. She asked me if I was single and she had a facial expression of surprise and interest when I said I was. Later, I liked it when she was rubbing my arm. She is from EE. I will be going to EE for my next game trip.

Assuming Jive Man is sincere (which is in doubt), the fatal mistake in your idea is that you keep grouping these three adjectives together to describe the same women: sweet, feminine, and hot. This is like the old joke in business: fast, cheap, or good – pick two.

The reality is that the number of girls who possess all three traits are unbelievably rare in America. They are mostly snatched up and married by inner-circle males from their social or family milieu, well before they ever hit the ‘open market’. They’re married and having kids by 22.

Kind of like how all the best jobs are always filled from within.

If you are an older guy in your thirties, looking for sweet, feminine, and hot girls in their twenties, good luck in America. If you look at girls older than 27, the number who aren’t ruined by cock-carousel-riding and obesity are minuscule.

I know plenty of top-tier men, including some ex pro football players. These guys have access to the absolute best women America has to offer. And you know what? These women STILL turn into nagging, sexless shrews after marriage, and just spend the guy’s money like narcissistic whores. They also make terrible mothers and home makers. Often, they divorce and take the assets less than ten years in. And this is with super-alpha, handsome, millionaire guys who are built like football players. Imagine what happens to run of the mill betas.

BTW there are TONS of American couples who put on a front. Why, it’s the American way after all.

They look like the perfect happy couple with the perfect jobs and life, but you want to pay attention to the cues and see what lies beneath the facade. It is always what is unsaid that is most revealing.

How often do you see raw affection displayed? Do you see her gaze up into his eyes with that look of smitten admiration once in a while? Does he lovingly smack her butt with a sparkle in his eye? Does she post flattering things about him on her Facebook page? Does he brag to his guy friends about the hot sex he’s getting all the time? Does she tell her girlfriends how in love she is and how she would never dream of straying?

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Not with American women. They are more adversarial combatants than complementary sweethearts.

I tried to explain it to my mother using an analogy I believe I picked up here from Roosh. It’s like fishing in a toxic pond. The environment is poisoned, and no fish can fully escape that. Inevitably, whatever you catch from that pond will be tainted. The toxic pond is feminism, and the American fish are fully steeped in it. This has turned marriage into a 50/50 crapshoot that the man’s life will be completely ruined. What wise man takes odds like that? What desirable man exposes himself to such foolish risk? And what is the payoff if you succeed – a beautiful, dedicated woman? No, just a normal average woman who won’t divorce-rape you or gain more than 25 pounds.

Nope, American women will be left with the beta dregs and white knights and losers. Unless they start loudly and emphatically denouncing feminism en masse, and refining their homemaking arts……hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think there may be pockets of the women Jive man refers to in middle-America somewhere, but as one of you stated, they stay and marry within the circle they grew up in. They marry Billy who they’ve known since elementary school. That girl doesn’t exist if she grew up in NYC, Miami, LA, etc.

As Diamondeyes touched on, the strongest men fall victim. I believe Sports Illustrated and Real Sports did pieces on athletes going broke after retirement. According to lawyers/agents, divorce is the greatest drainer of post-career assets. The chick stays around as long as he’s playing and checks are coming in. As soon as he retires, she cashes out, taking at least half of whatever he has left, after spending freely while they were together. Because of the circles she gained entry to while being married to him, she’ll move on to another guy that’s making decent coin, and he’s left holding his dick in his hand. If he isn’t like Deion Sanders, who moved from playing to a well paid job in media, and due to his persona can still get endorsement opportunities, he won’t survive a divorce. Granted, many of these guys spent lavishly on themselves on stupid things while they were paying, but if they had saved/invested the money, she would have still gotten a huge chunk of it. This happens to men in all walks of life, and especially guys that are just pulling down middle-class money. At the end they turn hateful, and immediately run to court to get as much from you as possible, even if in doing so she bankrupts you and ruins YOUR life.

“Guys who are getting the hotter girls in any large American city, with the sweet feminine girls from this group (and there are many), wold not want to deal with all the bullshit and the huge learning curve for getting girls overseas.”

@ Jive,

1. Most hot girls in America are not normal in the head. Unless they’re very young, they’ve long lost their femininity. When every other American woman in her 20s is obese and paired off with a non-obese man, why wouldn’t the few remaining single, hot girls not act entitled?

If there are many millionaires in big American cities willing to act as sugar daddies for washed up, below average looking women in their 30s, why would the few remaining, single hot girls act normal?

2. Game is game. Other than language, there is no overseas learning curve.

“he is incapable of getting with the hot girls in America, and so is willing to take on a huge learning curve and foreign culture bullshit, which is not fun.”

1. What if someone wants a larger selection of blondes, or Asians, or Russians, or Brazilians, or whatever? America doesn’t have that.

2. The fact that you think it is STUPID to learn new things, travel, and experience new cultures shows just how stupid and typically American YOU are.

“it is harder to make a decent living in Third World countries.
So it definitely is not just a matter of hopping on plane. Yeah, you could do that and blow your saved $$$ for a while, but it will eventually run out, and then you’d be without a pension, savings, or health insurance.”

@ K-Man,

1. Many people work in America part of the year, and spend the rest in another country.

2. Many Americans don’t have pensions, savings, or health insurance anyway. Those who do, have a good chance of getting raped out of those things by their ex-wives.

Roosh, a nice conversation was developing here, whats the problem?

Is it really not permitted to voice an opinion different from your own? Do you really just not tolerate debate at all? I dont get it – whats the big deal?

You said something, I said something different, politely, using logic. Why so allergic to logic?

Where does this need to keep such a tight lid on what anyone says come from?

Just put up a set of rules that no one is allowed to materially disagree with Roosh on certain key points, and that only comments which endorse what roosh says whith perhaps offering some additions to them, are permitted, and youll save everyone a lot of trouble.

Jeez, such sensitivity! And I am the girl! lol

I don’t understand anyone who knocks traveling, learning new languages and experiencing different cultures. Who cares what the motivation for doing it is? Jive is against doing anything that is motivated by wanting to be with women or to impress women. To an extent, he has a point. However, change/self-improvement is often motivated by something or someone outside of ourselves. Something or someone has to make you WANT to change something about yourself. I also take it that Jive hasn’t read Roosh for long, because he would know that he DOES fuck American women, some that could be considered top-notch (as do other participants on this blog), and still finds the experience to be wanting. And yeah…some players that bang top-notch domestics regularly STILL might like to elevate themselves to INTERNATIONAL players. And even though they can pull top American women, might actually PREFER foreign (ask Donald Trump about that…two of his three wives weren’t American born, and the American one was the most needy and entitled, and the one he divorced quickest). If a man is looking for a wife, and doesn’t want to go the mailorder route or relocate himself, his next best option is to find women in the US that weren’t born here and aren’t infected. Who have essentially brought their own cultural mindset with them and adhered to it.

Jive man is an idiot and doesn’t know what he’s talking about

Demographers call this the “wang drain.”

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wang%20drain

Roosh,

What made you decide to sport the beard? I’m just curious what your rationale is.

Being unlucky I cannot grow a full one, but I do sport a stache and hair on the chin (I cannot connect it). My own rationale for it is that I look like I am 19-20 when I am clean shaven and 30 when I am not. I am 29 and most of the girls 18+ and I get more eye-fucks with the facial hair. It was different in High School because my dating pool was 14-18, so even if I could grow decent facial hair at that point it would repel women; now it’s more the opposite as women in their 20s prefer a man who looks their age or 5-10 years older.

Fools who ridicule men who fo for foreign women or prostitutes never cease to amaze me for their foolishness especially if they are men and if they are women, I see that that they have a dog in the fight and are not as foolish as the men who do it. On average, American women are no prize and equally neither are American men. However, typically it is the men who pay not only for their mistakes, flaws and shortcomings, but they pay for those of the women as well. Why a man would be critical of someone trying to escape this is beyond me. For the men who criticize for this, do youself and the world a favor, cut off your cock and balls to match your female mind. To the women, you made your own bed, now lie in it.

Roosh,

What’s so wrong with Mormon women?

In the context of this thread, I can’t think of any women, as a group, (in America, at least) sweeter and more feminine than Mormon ones.

And who wouldn’t want a woman who not only accepted, but for religious reasons encouraged, her husband to pick up a younger bride or four once she got a bit older? I realize even Mormonism has, in mainstream practice, fallen away from the latter; but those that still practice the Principle, are the ones God bless with the most children. Which by extension means the most young, sweet, family minded daughters :)

@70

Dude, Please give me a break!

@70…that’s all well and good, if you’re a Mormon man. On top of that, you’d have to be a follower of Fundamentalist Mormon sect leader Warren Jeffs (doing life in prison for raping underage “wives”)to even think about having multiple wives, as the LDS church hasn’t practiced polygamy since the turn of the century I think. These bitches are even MORE mentally defective than the average American woman. They still walk around dressed like they’re on “Little House on the Prairie.” NO THANKS.

Dude Roosh this is so spot on man!!! good for you for writing this, couldnt have put it better myself!!!

Thanks for publishing that comment, roosh!

To others, I would like to respond to you, but roosh has blocked some of my other comments, so I have no interest in writing a response to you guys without knowing if he will publish them or not.

Cheers

This is a great post and aside from going abroad to the “Third World” to pay for sex; the reality is as Roosh has said many times: that if you’re not getting laid in the States you are in for a rude awakening when you arrive abroad.

I can only really speak to Latin America (right now I’m living in Mexico) but if you don’t have at least a working knowledge of the language or half decent game to mould to your specific situation you could find yourself having a hard time. I have seen several American and Canadian tourists getting shut down time and time again here. That being said, if you’re willing to put the work in and learn the language and come looking good and with solid game you can do very well. And I don’t need to talk about how much better the women are; that has been adequately discussed. The rewards are great and you owe it to yourself to do better than some of the garbage you can pull in some American cities right now. Great post Roosh.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but one other aspect of why many men won’t get laid has nothing to do with women’s attitudes. Millions of American men won’t get laid or be able to find LTR simply because not enough unmarried American women exist.

Hopefully the data below is readable.

United States (2009 Census)
20 to 24—–25 to 29—–30 to 34
Never Legally Married-Male
9,055,000—-6,626,000—-3,345,000
Never Legally Married-Female
7,893,000—-4,803,000—-2,543,000
Excess Males
1,162,000—-1,823,000——802,000
—–14.7%——-38.0%——-31.5%

Selected data for NorthEastern US:
% and (amount) of excess unmarried males:
Age 15-19: 4.5% (85,831)
Age 20-34: 16.3% (515,708)
Age 35-44: 20.4% (162,643)
Age 45-54: 15.1% (85,909)
Age 55-64: -3.6% (11,223) shortage of men

I suspect the situation is the same for any 1st world country–it’s almost spot on the same situation for Canada, and no better in say Australia or Netherlands (too lazy to look up other countries).

Per my post here (http://www.rooshv.com/western-culture-poisons-women#comment-46967) Poland’s numbers are horrific. I’ve never been there so I don’t know how this translates with Polish women.

Poland
15-19 years: 5.6% excess single men (89,813)
20-24 years: 24.4% excess single men (276,361)
25-29 years: 59.6% excess single men (266,816)
30-34 years: 80.8% excess single men (136,213)
35-39 years: 100.8% excess single men (110,372)
40-44 years: 110.3% excess single men (112,189)

I guess when you look at those figures, then assess how many of those females are actually marriage material, the situation may even be worse for men. All the more reason why men need to expand the pool of eligible women by looking to other parts of the world.

I live in Japan and there’s a famous comic called Charisma Man that runs in a magazine targeting foreigners. It makes fun of the foreign guy who comes here and gets (relatively speaking) star treatment from the women. (This was much more true 15 or 20 years ago from what I understand.) Anyway, the comic exists for a reason. I can’t count how many times I’ve heard people talk about “all these losers that come to Japan cuz they can’t get laid at home.” It is the popular perception, even among many of the men that are here. (It’s interesting that at least 50% or more of the guys I’ve met have said this. Think about it. LOL)

Anyway, the women have pretty much the same view and, while I’ve never been directly accused of coming here because I can’t get laid back home, I do have a retort ready for if it ever comes:

“You’re right. I’m a pathetic ugly loser with no game. So how does it feel to know that even I don’t want to fuck you?”

Or, if I’m feeling slightly less abrasive:

“Interesting. I hear the women come here for the same reason.”

For the record, I see the same thing happen again and again here. The vast majority of foreign guys aren’t banging anything much above average. However, the new guys don’t realize it because average here is an 7 in North America. Only once you’ve lived here for a while do you notice that nearly all the women are thin – ergo, thin is average. It takes a while before you can start to distinguish between trailer trash and the true gems or the ones who only look good because they’re made up nicely and wearing nice clothes vs. the ones who are truly hot naturally. Guys that have been here for five years wouldn’t be caught dead fucking half the girls the new guys like to brag about.

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@Jive

Bullshit. I’ve lived in NY, Miami, LA, and briefly in a few southern states and the Midwest.

I’ve run a lot of day game AND night game, across a variety of social circles, socioeconomic levels, high-end occupations, etc.

Hot, young, feminine women are in extremely short supply. You can find them, to an extent, on some college campuses (schools that are prestigious but still party schools) and occasionally daytime at restaurants and coffee shops near office buildings.

In LA and NYC, most of the mid-20s girls are wannabe models, singers, and actresses.

Approaching those hotties obviously results in huge blow-offs and flakeage, even with tight game.

I’ve spent time with plenty of 5-star men with good game who still have to settle for 7s or pain-in-the-ass bitches or used-up sluts — even on the girls in their social circles. These guys include:

* former NFL player at Harvard B-school
* well-known, handsome Hollywood talent agent with big clients
* up-and-coming young politician with movie looks and lots of his campaign commercials on air
* etc.

The mass mediocrity of women in this country has fucked things up for men all over the U.S. While the 5-star men have greater chances, the men who aren’t in “the top percentages” are 96% of all U.S. men — what they hell do you want them to do?

Fair post. I don’t get why any man or woman would criticize anyone for looking for a woman abroad…no matter the reason. If the guy feels he can only get an asian bride and it makes him happy then so be it!

Why is this a problem? Well, usually the woman making the comment is frustrated at her failed attempts at locking any guy down to marriage. Then she sees Bill the fat plumber married to a skinny, feminine and caring asian woman. It’s so obvious why anyone complains about this sort of thing.

Spot on Gentlemen. My brother married a stunning Russian lady about 6 years ago. They have 2 beautiful children now and you should see the way she treats him and the way they look at each other even after 6 years together. I asked him why he went halfway around the world to get married. He only said “Women suck here. They have forgotten how to be woman”. He was 38 at the time he married her, she was 23. She still looks the same after 2 kids and 6 years of marriage. Side note: my brother is not a loser he is a VP level bank executive for a major US bank.

I was married for 18 years, my wife cashed out and wiped out my 20 best income earning years. I still have not recover completely from the finacial loss. Then I met a EE woman and all I can say is OMG I was a fool to marry in the USA. She is VERY feminine, the sweetest, most wonderful person I have ever known. I would give her the shirt off my back but I know she would never ask for it. She does not care if we get married – she just wants to be with a man that will love her and I most certainly do. She does not want or need my money as she has as much as I do. When she looks into my eyes I understand what my brother feels from his Russian wife. It just makes me love her all the more.

We were talking about college one day and she told me she took a course in “Women Studies” i.e. feminism. I asked her what she thought about it. Her response “It is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard” she said. I asked her why and her response was “Women are not men. We each do different things better than the other. Why would I ever want to be like a man. I LIKE being a woman. It was a stupid class with very stupid ideas”.

To you younger guys – do yourselves a huge favor and find yourself a quality woman. There are millions around the world better than here and do not get married in the USA. Google “marriage strike”. There are lots of us men who are getting wise. Learn from us older guys and our biggest mistake in life. I wish I could go back and do it over with what I know now. The marriage failure rate in the USA is 50 or 60% – ask yourself this question – Are you willing to risk a 50% marriage failure rate and loss half or more of everything you worked for all your life, loss the right to see your kids and pay monthly alimony for the rest of your life until the day you DIE? Remember under US law it does not matter if she cheats on you, leave you for no reason or anything else SHE wants to do – you will pay the price forever, to her. As soon as you say “I do” she and the courts OWN you ass. Don’t be a fool like I was!

Peace and happiness to you all my brothers.

“Side note: my brother is not a loser he is a VP level bank executive for a major US bank.”

This is key. The perception is that only chumps that “can’t” pull decent American women do this. Not so. Men of means, that want a woman that will be dedicated to their happiness, are opting for overseas women. Don’t get me wrong – these women are LOOKING for men with resources, because there’s no point in leaving your own homeland for a broke dude. But they’re dedicated to being a good woman to you in return. It’s telling that she thought feminism was a joke, and that FEMININITY was important. That adherence to certain gender roles wasn’t degrading, but crucial to the overall success of a relationship. If more of the cream of US men start to seriously consider this option, American bitches will be ASSED OUT. American tricks will either reassess their priorities, or you’ll see a marked increase in cat sales in the coming years.

Poooooooooooooooooooooooop!

Buttmunch my ass, feminist troll! Thank you for proving Timothy is so right about the cats – sounds like you’re one of those growing mass of women contributing to the increase in cat sales. Is that’s all you have left to contribute to the world is the sum total of your cats output! Figures! Another pissed off feminist whiner chimes in to the conversation and doesn’t like THE TRUTH! How sad! welcome to reality!

Roosh, your insights are valuable, but if men had more common sense it would be obvious. It also seems that in some parts of the U.S. where there are more attractive women in the dating pool Texas, Florida, Phoenix and Atlanta you start to see some balance in some areas as compared to women in Northern cities. The competition amongst females creates a natural order where the women seem to appreciate men more. I noticed that after traveling to South America, Eastern Europe and Asia where women were more receptive, my game picked up significantly when I returned to the U.S. This is the residual benefit of traveling outside the U.S. because you have more confidence and put up with less crap from bitchy women.

I love American women, but foreign women just tend to put more into it. So I really couldn’t care less what anyone might say. On a really good night I may see one 10, in my opinion, at various places in the US – most need to lose 10-20lbs to make it above an 8 in my book. But in other countries it seems like I come across a lot more 9′s and 10′s than in the US. And they are nicer – who could ask for anything more?

So while I don’t criticize American women for all of the non-sense filling their pretty little heads – I do have to say that most need a good work-out regiment. In Brazil the only thing I can think of is the samba must give them a workout since they tend to not have that “baby fat” which is all too common with US women. Now if you’re the type that likes that bit of flab – that is fine – but I’m not. I like hard-bodies always have and always will.

The women from the old Soviet Bloc countries tend to lead the pack in my list right now. I jump at the chance to travel in any of those countries for business, and always mix pleasure in with it. Heck, the women are amazingly nice, and sweet – they are like the homely chick that babed out and didn’t realize it so isn’t bitchy. Thank heavens for Google Translate, and other electronic translators.

Could you imagine how a woman in the US would behave with a man who was trying to chat them up with an electronic gizmo to communicate? It would be laughable – in some of the other countries they are enthralled. So, I don’t knock American women, but I can tell you that on average foreign women are just nicer in so many ways… Of course, it could be that they are just “different” and that makes it better.

You can get laid ANYWHERE in the world if you’ve got money. Girls in places like Brazil want money like anywhere else, and if you say you are American, they see an opportunity to get e green card. Same in Estern Europe. And in China, women under 30 are encouraged to be mistresses of wealthy men, rather than a broke-ass loser. People in foreign countries are Americanised for sure. They watch TV, they know the value of the dollar and, if they are young and beautiful, they expect gifts and money from you. There is no such thing as free pussy!!! And if you are a cheap-skate, you get what you pay for. Broke tourists normally end up with older, fatter prostitutes. The thinner and younger cost more money so yeah, you better save up if you are planning to get a lot of fucks. The pretty young women don’t really care if you’re good-looking. They have cocks lined to fuck them-one after another and the cocks attached to men with the most money get the most good quality fucks-whether they are old and wrinkly. CASH IS KING!!!

this is right on. I have no problem meeting women in the US. The difference is the quality of women. People in the US IN GENERAL (men too) tend to be unhealthy, overweight, ignorant, and tense. I’ve had the good fortune to travel a lot, and its VERY different everywhere else. Once guys catch on to this a lot of shit is going to change. Not only are women better looking, but they are more feminine, happier, and generally more intelligent even if they are uneducated.

Here is a more realistic older man who also fancies younger women like everybody else:
http://www.thirdage.com/dating/why-do-older-men-date-younger-women

@91 Yulia…that article seems to pair 60 year olds with 20 year olds. You don’t really see “relationships” with that kind of age disparity. Older men will always want to have sex with much younger women, but they don’t want to live with or marry them. There aren’t many guys like Hugh Hefner around, nor are there many women like Anna Nicole Smith that get rich 80 year olds to marry them.

What is your point Anonymous??? What I am trying to demonstrate here is that most men want younger women but younger women don’t want old men but are willing to date them only if there are enough financial rewards for them in doing so. For the record, the average “sugar daddy” is about 38years old and the average girl is about 28 years old. Most men on this forum have unrealoistic expectations. They expect a woman 10/15/20 years older than them to date or marry them just because they have “game” but conveniently ignore the fact that young women capitalise on their looks and femininity EVERYWHERE in the world. If a man is so much as 10 years older than them they want to know what he can do for them before they date him-otherwise they prefer men their own age. After all, if you are going to go for the embarrasment of being seen with an older man in public (considering how old men love being seen with young, attractive women) then it better be worth it (in terms of finances). I know a girl whose sugar daddy paid for her African safari while the rest of us had to use our savings!!!

@92 Anonymous: Sorry typos I meant “Most men on this forum have unrealistic expectations of women (they want a woman to be beautiful and young even if they themselves are not beautiful and young).Most men on this forum have unrealoistic expectations. They expect a woman 10/15/20 years younger than them to date or marry them just because they have “game” but conveniently ignore the fact that young women capitalise on their looks and femininity EVERYWHERE in the world. If a man is so much as 10 years older than them they want to know what he can do for them before they date him-otherwise they prefer men their own age. After all, if you are going to go for the embarrasment of being seen with an older man in public (considering how old men love being seen with young, attractive women) then it better be worth it (in terms of finances). I know a girl whose sugar daddy paid for her African safari while the rest of us had to use our savings!!!

Here want these women to like them for their personalities while they persue them for looks and beauty but women are not stupid. The ones who are open to dating older men tend to seek to be financially rewarded for doing so. Very rarely would you see a woman with a partner who is more than 10years older than her and he is broke (if she is good-looking). I know what I am talking about. I’m 21 and I have seen young women in certain places around the globe. In China, many women in their 20s aspire to be mistresses of older rich men (even if they know that he is dating other mistresses on the side). If he is very wealthy and buys them gifts and gives them virtually bottomless credit cards, they don’t mind. They know that most of these men are sexist and will dump them as soon as they turn 30 and so they make the most of their youth by milking them of as much money as humanly possible, some have been known to save vast amounts of sugar-daddy money and open up a business when they turn 30, then marry and have kids with a younger man who is not wealthy-but many attrative young women would NEVER give a broke older man a second glance no matter how good-looking or fit and muscular. He would be wise to date women his own age and older who are less likely to use him. It’s the same case in Eastern Europe. Melania Trump is something of a hero. A gorgeous woman who snagged an extremely wealthy man and will be set for life no matter what. It does not matter that he is over-weight and has a “comb-over” and kids his wife’s age. Same case in South America. All this talk about sleeping with younger women is just a fantasy many men in their 30s, 40, 50, 60, and even 70s have. Very few of them actually get to do that. Yes, men can get an attractive prostitute every now and again but the more attractive they are, the more costly. A much older and overweight prostitute will probably charge less. It takes many men a long time to accept this: that if they treat women as if they are expendable objects-they have to adopt a survival strategy. In other words, they accept their fate; that the older they get the less desirable men find them so if they take trouble to look desirable they seek a maximum return on their investment (in their looks and femininity).

@ Yulia: “I know what I am talking about. I’m 21….”

With all due respect, a 21 year-old (man or woman) cannot have a completely accurate view of how real life works. I don’t care what your life experience, occupation or background is. 21 is 21. Women, in particular, change a lot (not just physically) as they grow older. Your current views on relationships are guaranteed to change in 10 years when you’re 31.

Basically, a financially stable man in a rich country is considered rich in a poorer country. He can therefore land himself a woman who is YOUNGER AND HOTTER than her counterpart in the wealthier country. End of story. A 50 year old may not land some hot naive 21 year old but he does have significantly more bargaining power in that sexual marketplace.

@ Yulia

Yulia, what are you talking about? It is very common in many cultures for older men to marry younger women. After all, men want youth and beauty, while women want status and wealth… when it comes to marriage.

Why are you so passionate about this “issue”? You’re 21. You’re at your prime and should be able to attract men easily. I expected you to be a middle-aged, fat, shriveled hag. Regardless, it’s just how the world works. More often than not, an older man can attract a younger woman. The other way is just less common. Look at it this way, when women are young and hot, they can pretty much have any guy at any age. Most of her same-age, male peers are ignored and invisible to young women. It sucks balls for most young men. Only a small percentage get to attract a large number of women.

@10 Agent Orange. they are gold diggers, and on top of that they know if they marry you (all hope that) they will get american green card. Wake up buddy.

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@Yulia. Yes, i dont think most American women realize how other cultures do emphasize and encourage girls to go for older men. I’m in Vietnam now and it is young girls in their early 20s who would be ostracized and ridiculed for being with a same age man. That same age man would be seen as a boy, neutered, unsophisticated, less worldly compared to a guy in his 30s. Their mothers and family and friends hammer this into them early…but it changing, cause the more people go to university and beyond they start to expect or meet their future husbands there. Some…but still not many.

I agree with what he say’s, when I went to Costa Rica I was stunned of how hot the girls were down there. I went to Jaco, and went to the famous beetle bar. I was amazed of how hot the girls were in there : ) Went I got back to Texas I quickly noticed how different the girls were, and how bitchey their attitude was. There is a reason why American guys leave to go to foreign Country’s, to meet real beautiful girls. Plus South American girls have the best bodies in the world and Costa Rica is a great place to visit, and also find a hot girl every night you’re their : ) Top two places to see in Costa Rica is 1. Hotel Del Ray and 2. The Beetle Bar.

http://www.rooshv.com/female-empowerment-is-slavery

Roosh, the article that I am commenting on right now totally contradicts the article that I linked above. Are you possibly a feminist in disguise?

It is lame for a PUA to travel to another country to pick up women. Someone with real game can get good looking women in any country.

Outside of the US and Western Europe, being a white American puts you on top of the pecking order. I don’t have much game and have easily picked up girls in other countries who are out of my league. It isn’t that hard.

@zach: Waw buddy. You really have a good point here. This Rooshv guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. He should try to see the reality from a local’s gut perspective. Eastern European women (most of them) , are materialistic, and all they care about is money and social status. They know how to put up faces so people like Rooshv get caught in their game. He should notice that a decent (I mean looks, and manners) eastern european guy with little money will never (with few exceptions) date a hot woman.

oh, Rooffie,

I was at the nudie beach today and there was only one hottie girl there….

since everything was off, i noticed that she was 15 lbs overweight….

There were some older cougar ladies who didn’t undress and since they stood around allot, I think they were there to look at weenies….

Since you are a travel guy, where’s the best nudie beaches?