There were a lot of negatives in my recent trip to Turkey, but a positive was being able to witness how Turkish men work in groups to get laid. For men who are not allowed to pick up their local women due to cultural and social barriers, I was duly impressed with their wingmanship and coordination. I will now attempt to dissect the game and wingman ability of Turkish men.

1. They go out in groups of at least three, with defined roles for each member

One guy is the “translator,” meaning he has the best English and facilitates conversation with foreign women. Another is the “lead clown” with the best energy and dance skills. And yet another is the “bouncer” who keeps an eye on outsider men and informs the group of any possible intruders. Instead of all the guys in the group running game independently without accounting for what their wings are doing, Turkish men maximize their individual strengths to ensure group success. There is no lone wolf game—it’s a team effort.

2. Approach targets simultaneously with overwhelming power

There’s not much subtlety about the Turkish approach. As if performing a blitzkrieg attack, they all go in simultaneously to announce to the women that they have arrived and are definitely in pursuit. They begin smiling, touching, and joking almost immediately, usually with a plan to get the girls dancing as quickly as possible. Their initial game is heavily based on the physical.

3. Keep targets primarily entertained with dancing

Long chats in the club are not what Turkish men prefer. While they are actually able to run this type of game, their go-to weapon at night is the dance floor. Many of them dance surprisingly well, practicing for years as teenagers to Turkish music until making the switch to more mainstream house and hip hop. Since women are in the club to primarily dance, their strategy yields results.

4. View all non-Turkish women as sluts

Turkish men understand that the true value of foreign women, especially from the West, is to serve as sex dolls. They don’t insult these girls or call them names, but through their actions, they make it clear that sex is the goal on their mind. They may lie to women about wanting to take trips with them, among other beta declarations, but it is just to build comfort after attraction is established. They have in fact no desire to wife up these girls and simply want to use them for the sexual release that they can not have with their own women.

5. Immediately engage and neutralize any threat

Turkish men keep an eye on other men just as much as the women. They fully understand that any fish they catch must be kept clear from the hooks of other fishermen. One thing they do is position themselves around women they are talking to in a way that completely blocks any other man who may want to try an approach.

If a man does penetrate through their defenses, they immediately re-group to eject him, either by distracting him (with the same energy they use on the girls), or getting the bouncer of the group to deliver a not-so-subtle admonishment of “these girls are with us.” It’s extremely effective since it doesn’t rely on the kindness of women to be cold to interloping men.

I’m in full agreement with their strategy here: if you’re just starting a conversation with a girl in a club, you must immediately shut down any attempts by strange men, even if it makes you look needy. Only when a girl’s attraction for you is solid can you be more aloof.

6. Do not approach women who are with men

There is a scrap of honor among Turkish men in that they don’t interrupt you if you’re talking to a girl (as long as you appear Turkish). I have not seen them try to pull a robbery, as horny as they are. In a club I saw a Turkish man inform a random German man that his girl is wandering off and needed to be watched more carefully. I’ve never seen that type of behavior in America. It’s strange that Turkish men are more thirsty on the surface than American guys, but they are much more averse to cockblocking or watching another guy’s girl get stolen.

7. Make all girls in the group feel like princesses, no matter how ugly

There’s taking one for the team, and then there’s the Turkish version of it. I have seen good looking Turkish men wing their brothers with horrendous women—all night long. I’ll talk to the ugly girl for 10 minutes or so to help my buddy out while a Turkish man stays with the grenade for the whole night and with such an energy that it appears he really does like her, even though it is a physical impossibility due to her monstrous appearance.

Turkish men take bros before hoes to a level I haven’t seen, and as long as one girl in a group is pretty, all the men will give it their all on each of her friends. It gets to the point where if the hottest girl wants to leave, the ugly ones will convince her to stay because they are being pursued so vigorously by men who are much more handsome than they are pretty.

8. Supply drinks without going nuts

Turkish men aren’t so needy that they are buying drinks all night long, but they definitely do try to lock down girls with a strategic purchase of a bottle of liquor. Their funds are lower than other European players, so they have to pool their money to keep the party going, which is why you tend to see them in packs. It’s another example of working in groups to minimize individual weakness.

9. No doesn’t mean no

They don’t accept the first no that a girl gives them, even if it’s absolutely certain to an outside observer that that no won’t be changed. This feature of their game, more than anything else, has given them a bad reputation as hyper-persistent, and even I don’t see its effectiveness.

While persisting past a no late in the game when you’re close to sex is important, Turkish men ignore no’s that come right upon the approach, and once in a set with a girl, they will not leave unless the girl pushes him away or ignores him completely. This can be painful to watch, and even worse is that you know the girl will be much less receptive if you approach her afterwards because the Turk put her in a more sour mood.

10. Victory is had if only one man of the group gets laid

Their goal isn’t necessarily for all men of the group to get laid—it’s just for one member to score. If he is successful, on the next night he’s going to sacrifice several hours with the ugliest beast in the bar so that his boy can get laid. They have a complete selflessness that I haven’t seen in other men, all because they see getting laid as a long-term team effort instead of a short-term individual sport. The sacrifice they make for their fellow man is admirable.

Watching groups of Turkish men in a club is like witnessing a coordinated dance. If you’re solo in a club with a lot of Turkish men, you should consider leaving. The synergy they bring forth makes it hard to compete and they greatly increase the bitch shield of women they fail with. The only problem with adopting Turkish game is that it clashes with a Western man’s individualistic values. We’re too selfish to sacrifice entire nights on nuclear grenades, especially since the idea of friendship and loyalty in the West is not what it once was. In the USA, it’s more likely to happen that you sacrifice for your friend one night and then the next night he gets overly drunk and inadvertently becomes a cockblocker. In Turkey this simply does not occur.

From watching them work, I must say that their overall game is better than Spanish men, who have become pussified in the past decade, though not yet better than Italian men. I haven’t seen non-whoremonger Greek men in action but I assume they would place somewhere in the middle in a ranking of Mediterranean lotharios.

Turkish men get a bad reputation in the world, but they do some things that are worth emulating when operating in a club with friends. Nonetheless, let’s count our blessings that we are not in Turkey and have to rely solely on foreign women to get laid.

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134 Comments

  1. sly December 24, 2014 at 9:47 am

    haha, any comments from a Turkisch guy?

    1. Tommy Hass December 29, 2014 at 7:47 pm

      I’m a Turkish guy living abroad. I never knew that we were so effective.

    2. Captain Cappy June 6, 2016 at 1:36 pm

      Im a turkish guy who lives in Istanbul and that whole thing is true.But do not get it wrong.This is just on the summers.Since our country is so narrow looking,we are looking fun for the holiday.Also we dont think that they’re sluts.Just we think they’re coming here for sex too.
      Nothing more xd

  2. JQ December 24, 2014 at 10:56 am

    It is not just the Turkish guys. Also morocans and lebanese roll in groups. Their game is direct, aggressive and persistent. They also try to intimidate competition by being a larger group. I was once in Montreal waiting for a friend outside of a dance club when I started chating with a cute tall blonde. It went nowhere as she was waiting for her bf. She then received a mssg and she entered the venue. After that some dude approached me. He had heavy middle east accent but not iranian. He told me that one of his friends liked the girl I was chating to and wanted to know if we were together. I looked over to a table packed with like 6 men. I thought about lying but then I was curious about them. “She is not with me; we just met.” At that point, new girls arrived and I started talking to them, the dude joined the conversation as well but was having problem keeping up; language being an issue. Two friends of him approached but they were even worse. At that point, my friend arrived and since he was from quebec I switched to french and they were finally left out of the conversation. They remained there though trying their hand to a new set. I recognize that even with all of their limitations they were making an effort with what they had instead of playing xbox at home. Being part of a group makes you go out more often, be more daring and helps you deal better with rejection.

    1. mclovin89 December 24, 2014 at 5:58 pm

      as jack donvan has said the way of men is the way of the gang. I say its good to run in packs with your boys,dunno why some guys hate on it, maybe they dont have an awesome circle like they do

      1. Jershawn December 24, 2014 at 6:27 pm

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      5. TyDaMan December 31, 2014 at 6:30 am

        It depends on the guy, I personally don’t really like being in groups but that’s just me. I’d rather just score myself without help from a group.

      6. mclovin89 December 31, 2014 at 6:40 pm

        thats ggood be independent and content on your own but also have the ability to work with others without being needy

      7. mclovin89 December 31, 2014 at 7:27 pm

        thats good, be independent and content on your own, but be able to work in groups without being needy or dependent on them

      8. nancy April 14, 2016 at 10:54 pm

        so smart eyh u must be pro

      9. Karymar April 16, 2017 at 9:20 am

        Good for you congratulations

    2. Karymar April 16, 2017 at 9:12 am

      Oh my god i’m surprised i will planner a tríp for turkey this year but now l don’t know that to think ,ultimately l was told with some turkish guys is the same behavior,but with all l read now my perception will can changchange about them..

  3. Inside UoM December 24, 2014 at 11:10 am

    Their selflessness is admirable. But co-ordinating a strategic war mission every time you head out does seem rather unappealing to the common man.

    1. DeepThought January 9, 2015 at 12:02 pm

      That is because you do not understand that many of these strategies have been formulated over the years and whoever strikes gold first, determines who gets protected.

      I might add, for the most part, we all tried to strike gold and many times several of us did.

      I found Ukrainian women to be the easiest and most attractive of the foreign women.

  4. Luisaceo December 24, 2014 at 11:29 am

    Funny article, Turkish men are fueled by their thirstiness and some can be good wingmen, I wrote something similar a while ago:

    http://friendlygopnik.com/3-countries-thirstiest-men-europe/

    I’m curious, did you befriend any Turkish guys during your stay?

    On top of having been pussified, Spanish guys generally speak very poor English. Most Spaniards I meet seem to go after Spanish girls only which is basically like shooting yourself in the foot. We also lack the killer instinct of Turkish or Italians (not me, I’m a caveman). It might be because Spanish women are slightly easier than Italian or Turkish although not by much.

    1. Roosh_V December 24, 2014 at 12:38 pm

      There are quite a few Spanish girls in Poland now. The Spanish guys actually go after those girls, which takes Spanish men out of circulation. Now whenever I see a Spanish girl, I’m pleased, because she will neutralize my competition.

      1. College Park Mane December 24, 2014 at 6:30 pm

        Man I’ve never got the pasty white guy and la rasas fetish of the Indian/moor looking chicas-no mas chicas me gusta gringas.

      2. benvad December 26, 2014 at 10:30 am

        Can you translate, I haven’t a clue of what you just said.

      3. wolfcat April 3, 2017 at 12:50 pm

        He likes pasty white chicks and does not understand the appeal of more tan white chicks. What a dip.

      4. Francesco December 25, 2014 at 10:24 am

        Hi Roosh, in your experience why do you think that the Italian game is better? Thanks

      5. Joe December 25, 2014 at 11:18 am

        Lots of Spanish dudes are nervous and needy a ting and don’t use too much social intelligence where black and Italian guys are often more relaxed, charismatic, and more emotionally and socially calibrated to the situation.

    2. Guest December 25, 2014 at 10:21 am

      Out of curiosity: in your experience why do you think that the Italian game is better? Thanks

      1. Luisaceo December 25, 2014 at 4:07 pm

        I’m from Spain and most Spaniards are very passive in comparison with Italian men. During the summer, hordes of thirsty Italian guys invade the main Spanish cities. You just don’t see spanish guys doing the same. Thirstiness can be both good and bad and in the case of Italians and Turks, it makes them not give a shit about rejection and do what it takes to get laid. Spanish guy game can be resumed as being a beta orbiter of a girl you meet through social circle until she gives you a chance (or not).

      2. Karymar April 16, 2017 at 9:30 am

        Totally agree with you point of view .the response in my opinión.

      3. Kathy December 3, 2017 at 12:38 pm

        This is so true! I was just in Istanbul and then went to Spain. In Istanbul I had so many men approaching me and asking if I needed help where as in Spain it was like crickets oh and the Spanish men smell. They don’t seem to shower there.

        I’m also partial to Turkish men as I was engaged to one for 4 years. But I do find Italian and Turkish men to be the same. I had an Italian man tell me if I was to visit Italy that I would have men running to kiss me because there is something beautiful on every women lol. I found his game to be charming and hilarious.

  5. Kevin December 24, 2014 at 11:59 am

    Roosh
    Have you ever made a list of the cities you’ve been to with the best looking girls?
    If you were to reccomend a city with the highest level of talent Is Kiev as good as it gets?

    1. TyKo Steamboat December 24, 2014 at 10:50 pm

      He touches on this topic in the past. It all depends on your favorite “type”
      For example, I personally like thin, petite, white girls with long, silky, straight, pitch-back hair, a butt that could fit onto one hand & high heels. So yes, Kyiv is the grand-daddy of them all.

  6. Adriàn December 24, 2014 at 1:02 pm

    Funny post Roosh! it’d be cool to hear what Italians game is like or any others for that matter.

  7. Jahmal December 24, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Roosh
    Growing up did you celebrate Christmas or Ramadan?

  8. Marlon G December 24, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    This blog by Roosh reminds me of this fine Swedish blogger getting gamed by a Turkish ice cream vendor in Istanbul @2:50 of this clip-
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eAN7UkVOrlI&list=PLD1F455534FF3A9CB

    Notice how she’s beaming as she eats her ice cream @ 3:50.

    Ps- Uncle Roosh and the family as my Christmas present-
    What cities are full of chicks like this fine blonde chick in the video above?

    1. Roosh_V December 24, 2014 at 2:02 pm

      Turkish guys really have that type of energy when gaming girls in the club. Their clown game is world class.

      1. Marlon G December 24, 2014 at 2:29 pm

        That girls from Stockholm but player Roosh is Kiev still the best city of them all?

    2. 'Reality' Doug December 24, 2014 at 8:13 pm

      Holy shit! You guys weren’t kidding. Again, I insist on this fundamental tenet of civilization: You tap it, you own it. Just stop and consider the difference in GDP from (a) superlative clown game vs. (b) superlative producer patriarch game.

    3. TURKISH ICE CUM VENDOR December 24, 2014 at 9:34 pm

      OOOPPAHH!!!!!

  9. vagabond December 24, 2014 at 1:40 pm

    When I was in Istanbul, Turkish women seemed almost non-existant. It was like a 99 to 1 male/female ratio. At my hostel, Some US girls were being aggressively stalked in the streets by determined Turkish dudes. Also, some US guys from the hostel were denied access to a club due to not having any women in their group. I will say that the few Turk women I saw were AMAZING and so rare, like finding a gold coin on the street.

    1. mclovin89 December 24, 2014 at 6:01 pm

      had a korean class mate tell me the same thing, so rare to see females out like if you were in nepal or something

    2. Erdal December 24, 2014 at 7:00 pm

      You have to bring a female with you to the club to keep the male/female ratio in balance. Some clubs use that policy to avoid a sausage fest.

    3. Karymar April 16, 2017 at 9:40 am

      Serious ? Oh my god ,really i’m surprised with all this ,i will thinking to planner a tríp in defender from turkey ,l know it the turkish men all are the same but l just seeking fun and know it the country nothing more ,my goal in the future is to find a european guy for to formalize a relationship for Long terms nothing more …

  10. ActionJackson23 December 24, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    I usually find your posts to have maybe one or two funny deadpan lines but you had me chuckling throughout this one … nicely done …

  11. greyghost1 December 24, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    I like the brohs before ho’s. I remember taking a girl home for one of my boys. Even let her sleep with me with out trying to hit it. If you have had pussy you can do that. Thirsty mutha fuckas have to do the sexual assault thing.

  12. CamelJockey December 24, 2014 at 1:59 pm

    On a trip to Israel last year I had a 15 hour layover in Istanbul. I checked into a hotel, took a small nap and head out into the city. From my experience there are zero attractive women in Istanbul. ZERO. On top of that the people are rude as fuck and not approachable or sociable at all. Try to stop and talk to someone to ask for directions and they completely ignore you.

    1. Guest December 24, 2014 at 7:15 pm

      You mean a trip to Palestine, right? EU just voted for statehood 🙂

      1. FreedomFromIgnorance January 25, 2015 at 2:44 pm

        Last time I checked that vote didn’t mean ****.

    2. Turkishboi42 October 3, 2015 at 4:04 pm

      You are claiming that you asked a Turkish guy for a direction and he ignored you? Leave this website now!

    3. Karymar April 16, 2017 at 9:45 am

      Totally agree zero attractive women, all wear antiquade and are submisive all the time ,always inclosed in themself..

  13. Sean December 24, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    11. If all else fails, find Greek boy and count it as “getting laid”.

    1. Dark New Day Fan December 24, 2014 at 6:34 pm

      I always though fag game was go to the gay bar and slam in the bathroom or alleyways. Like a Brett Hestla rock song goes”It’s sick either way… Sick either way you look at it”.

  14. 'Reality' Doug December 24, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    A very informative and original post. Well done! However, I doubt that the men are ‘Turkish’ in what they are doing. Per the CIA Factbook about Turkey: Muslim 99.8% (mostly Sunni), other 0.2% (mostly Christians and Jews). Muslims are forbidden to have infidel friends: Quran 4:89, 5:80, 13:37, 58:22. Whatever it takes to force white/Western men to not suck is fine with me, so pick off the chaff or maybe enrich it if evolution is so lucky. There is no sub for power as a man, or you do not have power over yourself. Conquest is what you do with it, not wrong per se. Every desirable square inch of earth is contested. Every desirable snatch is contested, even some fugly ones.

    I am not exactly equating ‘Turkish Game’ as described here to rape, but it is under the rubric of Islamization and jihad by using and using up foreign women. They deserve it, of course. To whomever likes pretty lies, don’t look for or at the obvious: http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/11/uk-muslim-rape-gang-member-says-raping-girls-a-religious-requirement You can find out about the religion of peace on lubetube. Turkish, yah, sure.

    1. Tommy Hass December 29, 2014 at 8:07 pm

      “Counterjihad” faggots are some of the most mentally ill people I have ever come across.

      Where can you even begin? The ridiculous out-of-context citaions of Quran verses? The asinine belief that all Muslims actually perfectly follow every rule to the letter? (hint: plenty of catholics that don’t act like medieval monks)

      Have you actually met a muslim? How do you reconcile your stupid belief of secret jihadis with the fact that many of the smoke weed and drink booze? The latter is far easier to follow than the former and yet they don’t do it.

      People like you have the deaths of people like me as the end goal. I hope you die in a car accident.

    2. DeepThought January 9, 2015 at 12:13 pm

      What does that say about western women that they prefer us to you guys We are not stupid enough to use and waste our women’s best years.

      This is how it goes in Turkiye.. 18-23 = College/work but also a lot of fun! Around 22-23 we start looking for a wife and marry a year or two later. Of course an extended stay in college will also extend the day you get married.

    3. Bret September 19, 2016 at 8:11 am

      White women are made for manly muslim men.. I accept that fact.

    4. Bret September 19, 2016 at 8:13 am

      white boys love to masturbate on muslim domination porn

  15. mclovin89 December 24, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    4P. Well its typically non middle eastern or non muslim women. Theyll only keep a foreign girl if shes good and chaste like what you get in ukraine, with some effort. In india its the same mindset in goa resorts. Among other places that get female sex tourism.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sex_tourism
    Famliy comes from 1 of these locations and its the same mindset about foreign especially white women. They are only here to play so treat ithem as such.

    6P. Brotherhood is a big deal to keep women in line. We are so divided that the sisterhood can hoodwink us. Here we are selfish and let slut marry betas, when really we should tell that beta that shes a hoe and that you were among many she fucked.

    think this mentallty is enhanced due to turkish men not caring about their virginities like here so they aint thirsty and desperate. But if they game then game hard.

  16. dan December 24, 2014 at 6:31 pm

    Good article.
    Turks have a fascinating rythm, coordination and flow in groups, which can be attributed to a very low level of neuroses compared to the global average.

    “It’s strange that Turkish men are more thirsty on the surface than
    American guys, but they are much more averse to cockblocking or watching
    another guy’s girl get stolen.”

    That#s not strange at all, it’s part of honour culture. Stealing another man#s girl is shameful to both men. This is something of which western men can learn. You’ll benefit more in the long run from showing integrity than being the bold intruder and “lol steal this Beta’s girl lol”.

  17. Erdal December 24, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    I’m a Turkish guy and reader of your blogs and forum. I observed the anti-Turkish sentiments from your beta members about Turkish men. Letting your women phucked is nothing alpha in healthy societies in the past. You fuck the girls of other nationalities you conquered but you don’t let them fuck your women. In the animal kingdom this is also the case. Some members on the roosh forum prance around saying they are alpha while they have no clue. Their feminist women have overpowered them and they are hating on real alpha men like their feminist women.

    1. A poster December 25, 2014 at 9:35 pm

      Like in the “animal kingdom”?. I see civilization didn’t seem to reach muslim societies yet? If you want to live in the glorious past, I’m fine with it, but keep it out of my place. I don’t see anything healthy or alpha in males cockblocking each other all the time because they can’t get laid and don’t want others to get laid. I want my women to be feminine but also free, and not have all her moves being observed by her brothers and cousins (and countrymen). They’re all massively putting the pussy on pedestal here again. I guess this is why muslim societies are such pussy paradises and why all muslim men are totally sexually satisfied. If you would have leashed your women, you wouldn’t need to pursue the living shit out of foreign females. You wouldn’t need to transform your massive butthurt into cockblocking while ruining it for everybody at the same time with your incredible neediness. All I see is hypocrisy and jealousy. I know it all, I’ve met enough of you guys.

      1. Erdal December 26, 2014 at 7:36 am

        You are a perfect example of a feminist male prancing around hating on the real alphas. Your society is becoming highly degenerate like Roosh pointed out in his blogs.

      2. A poster December 26, 2014 at 8:59 am

        If you prefer the non-degenerate real alpha way of getting cockblocked by a girls cousin, brother, orbiter or co-worker while doing the same to other guys, and afterwards jacking off to porn and sending dick picks to females on interpals, well that’s fine with me. But I prefer the degenrate way of getting to know a girl without the interference of other butthurt alpha guys, and will spent a nice day or night with her on her own decisions.

      3. DeepThought January 9, 2015 at 12:15 pm

        Hey keep believe this crap and we shall keep using your women. Suckers. They tell you one thing and do the opposite. Have you not learned? Never trust what a women says she wants!

      4. Aďka August 16, 2018 at 1:54 pm

        totally agree with you.

    2. hernan cortez December 25, 2014 at 10:42 pm

      LOL, I will admit men aren’t flocking in droves to fuck turkish women, but its because they are mostly hairy and unattractive.

      1. Erdal December 26, 2014 at 7:29 am

        Everything is better than an hispanic toad though.

      2. DeepThought January 9, 2015 at 12:16 pm

        Funny coming from your ethnicity. Round is not a shape women should adhere to.

    3. benvad December 26, 2014 at 10:37 am

      Turkish pussy is easy to get once you separate them from their guilty feelings.

    4. Pav Hussain May 17, 2017 at 4:56 pm

      ure all so fucking miss guided, its not the turkish guys. their all fucking kurdish in all the holiday resorts, dirty fucking perverts, so please get ure facts right.before you start insulting the turkish people, obviously the english dont know the difference between kurds and turks, so they assume they are all turkish, fucking fools

  18. thinkaboutit December 24, 2014 at 9:36 pm

    This was brilliant. Nice observations. Laughed out loud for real.

  19. Freedom & Fulfilment December 24, 2014 at 9:39 pm

    “with such an energy that it appears he really does like her, even though it is a physical impossibility due to her monstrous appearance.” Hahaha that really got me

  20. abdullah December 24, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    Ahahah You’re right ( haklısın )

  21. TyKo Steamboat December 24, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    I feel inspired to write about Mexican men & what I call “Vulture Game” now…

    1. HalfAsian December 25, 2014 at 4:36 am

      Please do…

  22. John Smith December 25, 2014 at 12:41 am

    Sure, let’s all act like thirsty Turks…….

  23. BillyCobbett December 25, 2014 at 4:30 am

    Having your women ‘out of touch’ to foreign men is the only thing I like about this article. Turks turn my stomach(although there’s plenty of nice women)

    1. Tommy Hass December 29, 2014 at 8:10 pm

      “Turks turn my stomach”

      Butthurt?

      1. Cobbett December 31, 2014 at 1:09 pm

        What are you on about?

  24. Onder Hassan December 25, 2014 at 11:03 am

    Well, i’m a Turkish guy and can say that it’s false. You simply can’t paint people with the same brush. We all have similar characteristics, but we aren’t all the same.

    1. Pav Hussain May 17, 2017 at 4:59 pm

      well said mate,

  25. Tom Dane December 26, 2014 at 11:27 am

    I can’t see anything wrong with what they doing. I admire it. This article gave me a new perspective, before I was just thinking they were annoying and messing everything up for everyone else.. But they have adapted perfectly to an extreme situation.
    Imagine only women accessible to you is scandinavian/western ice queens who travel once a year to Turkey simply to receive even MORE attention and validation than they already get (the do get a lot already case you missed it)..
    Imagine the attitude, imagine the bitch shield. And of course they travel to a region depleted of pussy, for maximized effect.
    To get anything at all in such an environment, you need to develop an extremely effective system.

    1. Batur Günel October 21, 2015 at 10:26 am

      Tom thank you, for being humane and understanding us. You said perfectly the situation is truly ”extreme” here… To do anything at all i have to go on vacation.

  26. do i even have a name? do i? December 26, 2014 at 1:06 pm

    those turkish guys sound like the gypsies here in romania lol

    in fact you can search for “boris la agatat” on youtube and the first clip will be a fine example of gypsy pua technique

  27. DTL December 26, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    I find some of Roosh’s understanding of Turkish game laced with some generalizations that are too great to ignore. However, this is understandable, given that he’s been there for a short while or basically goes there as a tourist. I’ve stayed in Turkey for three years as an undergrad student, and I lived in Ankara, and would normally visit Istanbul and Izmir on holiday period as those places were more open-minded towards African folks.

    First and foremost, if you are in Turkey, and you go after a Turkish girl that looks like she’s falling for you, you better not introduce her to your Turkish mate, or he’ll arrogate himself the task of talking her out of it, or even scaring her away with stuffs like “I’ll tell your parents”. If you are American though, this underhanded tactics may not really work, as Turkish girls, I’ve observed tend to like everything American.

    Secondly, Turkish guys, contrary to what Roosh said, can actually get down with their girls. The problem is, the more you move away from places like Istanbul, and Izmir and into the smaller cities with less and less western influence, the more conservative the girls and guys are. I knew lots of Turkish guys in my school days who were getting pussy, and not just from a single girl. They had money, and a bit of style, and a bad-boy persona most college girls admired, so they got down.

    Finally, I found the traditional Turkish game corny, if not absolutely comical. When they approached their women, or in fact most women, they instantly start telling them “I love you”, “what’s your star sign”. A few Moldovans or Albanians I got with actually shared the information with me. Perhaps it worked with their women, but in general terms, its weak game.

    Finally, I find a bit of irony in the courtship or marriage relations in Turkey. Often, in countries where men worship women like in Turkey, you find that the women have the upper hand in the home/family. But the reverse is actually the case in Turkey, because its pretty much still a very traditionally/male dominated family unit that goes on in their homes despite their pussy-worship.

    1. Scott Worthington December 28, 2014 at 5:33 pm

      I agree with most of what you’ve written. I am Black-American, living in Istanbul teaching English, and the ONLY thing I find annoying about Turkish girls is how QUICK they want to be “wifed up” and they will go psycho on you if they feel its not going to happen. This is to be commended, but in means One Night Stand Culture is not here. I have found Turkish women to be curious and facinated by Black men, even broke Africans selling watches can find a girl here. If you are Black AND American, you are set. However, LANGUAGE seems to be important. The better my Turkish fluency improves, the easier time I am having, even with girls who already speak English.

    2. Erdal December 29, 2014 at 9:29 am

      Do you realize you are doing generalizations too?

  28. Turk December 27, 2014 at 6:50 pm

    Westernised Turk here.

    There are beautiful Turkish women about but rare, they don’t walk the streets as they’re probably driving in their SUVs most of the time so you won’t spot many as a tourist.

    Tell you a funny story, I went dinner with a girl(friend) of mine. Ordered the bill at the end to pay, some dude paid all of it and he wasn’t even there. He called up the place and sorted it out because he likes her at work. She told me they haven’t even held hands or kissed and the bill came to £80.

    For Turks living in Turkey, they are very old fashioned (and laughable) losers. The rich just bang escorts.. My observations visiting once/twice every year seeing the fam.

  29. John Smith December 31, 2014 at 2:41 am

    Sounds like they just run direct game which is what I do most of the time. I don’t know if I am big on going in group of 3 or not. 2 is plenty enough.

  30. CallingOutBS December 31, 2014 at 5:23 am

    I don’t see why you “respect” these guys so much – surrounding people and cock blocking – you admire that? They sound like they are *addicted* thirsty men – hardly alpha. There’s a reason that now even escort agencies in E Europe say no Turkish or Middle Eastern (they don’t say no black guys BTW).

    In Rotherham in the UK, 1500 children got groomed and raped by in-bred Pakistani Muslim guys. First they had to get jobs as Taxi drivers through “affirmative action”, then they used their “game?” to fuck and traffic girls as young as 11. There is a difference between being confident, charming and reliable (alpha) and being a thirsty addict. The attitudes of Muslim men are becoming a problem – expect to be called out on your bullshit in 2015 – it won’t just be SJW who will be called out on their BS. Happy new year!

  31. TyDaMan December 31, 2014 at 6:33 am

    #9 definitely does not work and #10 sucks for the rest of the guys in the group. #7 seems a bit beta. If she’s ugly she’s not going to be treated as a princess by me.

  32. MentalKenny January 3, 2015 at 12:11 pm

    Excellent article. I’m from Italy, I see a lot of parallels, we’re definately more similar to Turks than to Americans or people from English speaking countries. I very much enjoyed your analysis.

    1. corvinus January 4, 2015 at 9:09 pm

      Turks seem to be basically Muslim Italians.

      1. Erdal January 17, 2015 at 7:34 pm

        why?

  33. Cantik January 4, 2015 at 2:56 am

    Hahaha, I think I’ve seen that kind kd behaviour from the Turkish guys in my city. Now I understand. Anyway, while some of them are beautiful creatures, they’re not that great in bed. From the limited experience I have had, they don’t seem to like giving heads to women. I thought that was a waste of my time.. and before anyone comments, no, it wasn’t me, it was them :-p

  34. yup January 4, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    Don’t agree with point 6, if there is a girl I want and she is talking to some goober then i’m pushing him away.

  35. Amber January 7, 2015 at 4:04 am

    ‘Monstrous’? Well now we know why you spend an evening out staring at what other people are doing rather than having any woman wanting to put up with you.

  36. DeepThought January 9, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    That is funny but so true. Two summers ago, my cousins and I went to a couple of clubs and had a great time. The foreign men felt like they were in the heart of a tornado. You should have seen their faces.

  37. ZzXx January 11, 2015 at 10:18 am

    Another muslim shithole.

  38. Danish girl January 22, 2015 at 5:31 pm

    Roosh you are a pure example on an American asshole. I just read what you wrote about Danish women, and may I add that the place you were in Denmark does not contain the most beautiful women, but we are not all horrible and masculine looking. Btw you really should not be talking about what looks good and not judging on your looks, you are very unattractive and a duchbag, you are lucky if you can even get a woman in bed with you.
    What kind of baby are you if you need a woman to cook for you. Why the hell can’t you cook for your self or for a woman. It is not like all of us can’t cook but why should we be the only ones in the kitchen?
    You are a horny asshole, who can’t take care of your self.
    May I say on the Danish women and all other women you have defended by your, I can’t even find a word to describe what an asshole you are, ness f*** you and may you never get some!

  39. Danish girl January 22, 2015 at 5:38 pm

    Roosh you are a pure example on an American asshole. I just read what you wrote about Danish women, and may I add that the place you were in Denmark does not contain the most beautiful women, but we are not all horrible and masculine looking. Btw you really should not be talking about what looks good and not judging on your looks, you are very unattractive and a duchbag, you are lucky if you can even get a woman in bed with you.
    What kind of baby are you if you need a woman to cook for you. Why the hell can’t you cook for your self or for a woman. It is not like all of us can’t cook but why should we be the only ones in the kitchen?
    You are a horny asshole, who can’t take care of your self.
    May I say on the Danish women and all other women you have defended by your, I can’t even find a word to describe what an asshole you are, ness f*** you and may you never get some!

    1. Kirijo February 16, 2015 at 2:15 am

      Someone here wants Roosh’s D.

  40. Marco January 27, 2015 at 9:16 am

    Actually the reason turkish men gets laid so fast, is because they offer western women something that the western men do not: Attention and affection!
    Its as simple as that.

    I have seen HUNDREDS of married or fiancee western women going to Turkey with their female friends and getting laid GLADLY.

    P.S , I am italian

  41. Jira January 30, 2015 at 2:36 am

    “They don’t insult these girls or call them names, but through their actions, they make it clear that sex is the goal on their mind.”

    They do insult and/or call names, but they do it in their own language. Learn Turkish curse words before you visit, you’ll be surprised how many times you face them.

  42. Guest February 17, 2015 at 6:15 pm

    Great post Roosh! I had a couple thoughts/reactions to the post.

    While
    I great admire the Turkish team approach and loyalty you describe,
    can’t help but think that Turkish society is oppressive and
    hypocritical. The good Turkish girls and the bad Western girls. Turkish
    men behave one way and the Turkish women must appear to be chaste. If
    the West is dying in feminist thought, Turkey must be close to the other
    extreme. I have a disdain for American men who think women who hook up
    are sluts/whores and the women they choose to date/marry need to have
    limited experience. Strangely, this traditional view still exists in
    corners of the U.S.

    The team approach in the U.S. is subtle, but
    it exists nonetheless. I have coordinated with my friends to try to
    entertain a group of girls. Sometimes it takes good friends who will
    take one for the team. I have been the benefactor and the one who has
    sacrificed. Where it differs, is the group dynamic is very flexible. If
    the group is not locked into an engagement, we are free to roam. Besides
    the male/female numbers don’t always match up and eventually you want
    to try make one-on-one connections. This frees up any extra guys.

    While
    Roosh might be great at flying solo, inside the U.S. I don’t think I am
    quite as skilled. (Outside the U.S. flying solo is a different manner
    entirely.) A woman in a U.S. bar seems to be more open if she knows you
    are not a lone wolf in hunt. The younger she is the more likely she will
    react more favorably if you are there with your friends. (A more mature
    woman might actually be impressed if you are a lone wolf.) Even if your
    buddies don’t need to come over to fly wing and just wave and smile, it
    seems to put her at ease. She doesn’t think your sole purpose that
    night was to go out alone and hook-up. Ha! The more fun you appeared to
    be having with your friends the better. I would call this the frat party
    effect. (I was not in a frat.) Young American women seem to be
    impressionable to this sort of a dynamic. You are part of a fun group,
    but you are also an individual who is confident to break off from the
    group.

  43. Rogerio February 17, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    Great post Roosh! I had a couple thoughts/reactions to the post.

    While
    I greatly admire the Turkish team approach and loyalty you describe,
    can’t help but think that Turkish society is oppressive and
    hypocritical. The good Turkish girls and the bad Western girls. Turkish
    men behave one way and the Turkish women must appear to be chaste. If
    the West is dying in feminist thought, Turkey must be close to the other
    extreme. I have a disdain for American men who think women who hook up
    are sluts/whores and the women they choose to date/marry need to have
    limited experience. Strangely, this traditional view still exists in
    corners of the U.S.

    The team approach in the U.S. is subtle, but
    it exists nonetheless. I have coordinated with my friends to try to
    entertain a group of girls. Sometimes it takes good friends who will
    take one for the team. I have been the benefactor and the one who has
    sacrificed. Where it differs, is the group dynamic is very flexible. If
    the group is not locked into an engagement, we are free to roam. Besides
    the male/female numbers don’t always match up and eventually you want
    to try make one-on-one connections. This frees up any extra guys.

    While
    Roosh might be great at flying solo, inside the U.S. I don’t think I am
    quite as skilled. (Outside the U.S. flying solo is a different manner
    entirely.) A woman in a U.S. bar seems to be more open if she knows you
    are not a lone wolf in hunt. The younger she is the more likely she will
    react more favorably if you are there with your friends. (A more mature
    woman might actually be impressed if you are a lone wolf.) Even if your
    buddies don’t need to come over to fly wing and just wave and smile, it
    seems to put her at ease. She doesn’t think your sole purpose that
    night was to go out alone and hook-up. Ha! The more fun you appeared to
    be having with your friends the better. I would call this the frat party
    effect. (I was not in a frat.) Young American women seem to be
    impressionable to this sort of a dynamic. You are part of a fun group,
    but you are also an individual who is confident to break off from the
    group.

  44. gg February 20, 2015 at 3:17 pm

    “Apparently the guys that are the most (sex)thirsty are of Kurdish ethnicity and come from the eastern part of Turkey, often from a very traditional background. They are also the ones who look slightly more “middle eastern” while western Turks look a bit more mediterranean.”

    Quote from;
    http://friendlygopnik.com/3-countries-thirstiest-men-europe/

    I’m a Turk. And I had quite a chance to have a close look up to this issue.
    This article here and the quote above are so true. I know it sounds like a little racist, but it’s not. It’s because of the traditional background with conservative Islam and lack of education for generations. This type of guys usually have had no chance to get laid before for various reasons connected with their family, relatives, peer pressure and the way they grown up in such environment. So they’re trying hard their chance on tourists, away from their connections. And some of their methods are perfectly described in this article.

  45. LathspeLL February 20, 2015 at 3:26 pm

    HELLO, VERY NNICE WRITE!

    Joking… I need to say these are great observations and they are absolutely true. Those guys are really dedicated. Just because of these “packs” I don’t do clubs for years (as a Turkish man). We always make fun of them but the real question is, some of them actually manage to get laid by utilizing those tools. How on earth the foreign girls get caught in their webs? It’s far beyond my understanding.

  46. Kara Prens February 23, 2015 at 7:44 pm

    Please learn the reality before try to teach it. Yes in general all of the races living in Turkey called Turk. But your article is about Kurds. One of the races in Turkey.

  47. turkishafffff March 21, 2015 at 11:00 pm

    as i turkish girl living in america i dont know what to think of our men……….

    1. Erdal April 4, 2015 at 12:29 pm

      Sikerim senin anani, ters konusma

  48. Words Don't Come Easy March 30, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    As a white man I’m attracted to Turkish girls who live here in the EU but I think I stand no chance after reading this. 🙁

  49. some girl June 8, 2015 at 8:40 am

    My 15 years old sister visited Turkey and she got a lot of attention from local guys. They called her sweetheart and stuff like that, tried to kiss her several times although she was with her father. While she was shopping for food a complete stranger old man started harrassing her. Also I know a girl who was almost raped by a Turk. Lucky girl managed to escape. Roosh V is probably just as fucked up in his head as Turkish men, that’s why he likes them.

    1. me again June 8, 2015 at 8:46 am

      Roosh is middle east descent, probably one of the reasons he’s such an asshole 😀

  50. Unhappy Turkish Guy August 10, 2015 at 2:32 am

    Turkish guy who lives abroad and visits… so fucking accurate. It irritates me that such a reputation is given to turkish guys because of the ones who act like this and oh my there is a lot… It also pisses me off when its the foreigners first day on holiday and they fall for these desperate guys.

  51. levi lorenzo August 10, 2015 at 4:07 am

    I know of a friend that went to Turkey recently and she had alot of guys approaching her and trying it on. She likes alot of attention and free meals and drinks so she was loving it and this was just from walking the streets and in restaurants. But when she got closer to the action she wasnt liking their small dicks with the average size that see seen about 4in . So maybe their all talk with little action lol .

  52. tolga September 22, 2015 at 2:00 am

    This is sooo racist ! Hahahahaha

  53. Turkishboi42 October 3, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    Im very Turkish and I have been living in the States for four years now. I can’t tell you how accurate this article is hahahaha. I could not stop laughing so hard as I was reading it. It is literally me, my brother and his friend. I usually take the role of a translator, my brother’s friend is the entertainer and my brother is the bouncer lol. Before I moved to the States, I was so comfortable being the defined Turkish guy in this article, and I was absolutely so sure that doing these things would get me laid(it did for few times tbh) even though I did not really put that in play for many times. However, after moving to the States and getting to know how these games are played here and women’s approach to sex, I dont feel comfortable being that guy anymore. However, I cant manage to adapt the douchebaggy guy traits either(which usually get guys laid in parties) since It is completely against the culture I grew up in. I wish I never moved here and didnt change. I still want to be that mindless thirsty Turkish guy who has no respect to what their “prey” has to give as answer. Being rejected did not hurt back then, cuz I was more confident with who I was. Even though I am so much better looking right now, I dont feel confident to approach a woman even in a friendly way when Im in a class or a library whatever. I really miss old Turkish me no matter what other women think of it.

  54. Steve October 3, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    Interesting read and definitely unapologetic, which I can appreciate. However…. the the attitude towards women as things to fuck by men the world over (and I can’t always rule myself out) instead of human beings is always a tall, cold glass of disturbing.

  55. Emre Nakipoğlu January 20, 2016 at 1:39 am

    Hi from İstanbul…

    I read what you had written. Generally I want to answer.
    1. Türk man is helpful,king,smart,handsome and give importance family values
    2.You made a generallation but you are wrong.
    3.For exapmle I like foreign girl because different culture, last year I met english girl and girl teach me english accent, english culture, I teach our culture, really fine and enjoyable. If I hadn’t in a realitionship, I could marry her really good person and we still friend…
    4.Every person is different… Many kind person are in antalya,kuşadası,istanbul. So I warn you, be careful in this city. But you don’t forget this man are man 😀
    5.Turkish boys are really good father and husband.
    6.Only one thing changes man to gentleman… Just educated man… 😀
    7.Meanwhile I graduated vet.medicine. So my friends are really good persons,too.
    see u.

  56. Alper Kaan March 27, 2016 at 12:02 am

    I am a turkish man. I have read many blogs about us. DO NOT SEND ANYONE MONEY. Please, I am begging you. I am 21 years old student and as far as I can tell, it is very dangerous to chat someone new on facebook or this kind of social media. Most of the bad experiences I have read on these blogs have share the common thing -an innocent girl starts to chat on Facebook or an innocent girl meets from lower-class lowbrow and of course as a results she gets bullied, beaten etc. by this stupid, ignorant man. Yes, I have read other bad experiences that occured even if the guy was well-educated but these are so rare. Firstly, you don’t exactly understand/ know the guy you are dating as we (people of turkey) do; this is normal, beacause, you are foreigners. We know/understand/detect a person just by looking his/her appearance if he is okay or not. (his hair style, attitude and wording etc.) In most of the cases you choose stupid, lower class people.

    Yes, in most cases we can be very controlling but when it comes to violence to women, except the exceptions, it is foreign people’s failure. I mean, yes, there are bad guys in our country as much as other countries have and yes, this wrong approach toward you is their mistake but it is also your failure. Don’t blame all nation just by looking at exceptions. Anyway, my main point is;

    I BEG YOU, PLEASE DO NOT MEET PEOPLE YOU HAVE MET ONLINE -ESPECIALLY ON FACEBOOK. DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT COMING WITH THEM FACE TO FACE (I mean the people you met online). DO NOT DATE WITH HOTEL PERSONNEL AND NEVER DATE WITH LOWER-CLASS AND WEIRD LOWBROW. I AM BEGGING YOU AND ALSO SERIOUS ABOUT THIS FACEBOOK THING. USE YOUR BRAIN, PLEASE.

    Of course, since you are foreingers, we do not expect you to detect a troubled person just by looking but on the other side we feel very sorry when we see a foreign girl gets bullied by his boyfriend on the news. And you know what we say at that point? We ask each other, “what the hell is she doing with these stupid lowbrow? It is obvious that this man is troubled, look at that weirdo.” I did not visit other countries, so I don’t know your bars, entertainment venues but in Turkey, most of the guys you see in the bars are from lower-class and sex oriented idiots. Of course, there are some exceptions.

    PLEASE NOTE THIS: MOSTLY TIME, A TYPICAL TURKISH MAN WHO HAS DECENT, PROPER LIFE DOES NOT PREFER TO GO TO BARS.

    I understand that there is no other choice left to meet a decent guy but to raise the chance about meeting a new proper guy, you should be visiting frequently, so that you may encounter a decent, inoffensive guy who has a good carreer, good manner and romantic attitude.

  57. Gokhan Arslan April 24, 2016 at 9:16 am

    Oh a couple of weeks for vacation and you had it all figured out. Why am I not surprised you are an american.

  58. Aimee July 3, 2016 at 5:28 am

    I kissed a turkish man on holiday this year and I went further than that. I didn’t have sex with him. The day before I left I was speaking to another turkish lad from down the road and he said that once you kiss them they see you as their girlfriend. Is that true?

  59. Ceyhun Aydın July 24, 2016 at 4:07 am

    😼

  60. Angel of Harlem August 14, 2016 at 6:03 am

    “4. View all non-Turkish women as sluts”

    That is ESPECIALLY irritating!!! We are working on a multilingual, multinationale movie and video game magazine site, and just because I am a younger, and pretty European woman, you won’t believe the number of Turkish/Indian/Pakistan RETARDS, who sent me messages, like “Hi baby, sex??” or a pictures of their genitals! You either should EDUCATE yourself how to act with western ladies, or you will completely ALIENATE yourself from the European world! Those who are convinced otherwise: GET INTO YOUR THICK SKULL: EUROPEAN WOMEN ARE NOT WHORES!!! Just because we don’t follow your macho traditions and religions WE ARE NOT WHORES!!! GET IT???

  61. jewel January 16, 2017 at 4:46 pm

    So shallow of people..to treat women this way..

  62. Dave January 20, 2017 at 7:13 am

    Kurdish guys are the same they say non Kurdish girls are slut and it’s impossible for them to marry a non Kurdish girl the goal is sex only ….

  63. Cheryl February 21, 2017 at 2:39 pm

    Turkish men are not very bright. If an America woman lays with a Turkish man, it is because she has chosen too. Not because his flirtation is so great. There is a pretty good chance that she decided it long before he even noticed her. But also an American woman knows how to let a man think it was all her idea, so she can feed his giant ego.

  64. Pav Hussain May 17, 2017 at 5:01 pm

    they are not fucking turkish men, they are kurdish get ure fucking facts right fool

  65. Eric Fiumanò October 12, 2017 at 5:50 am

    I’m a pretty proud man and I always find that working as a pack means that taken singularely, these guys are just nothing and coward.

    That’s the style of cowards when they want to easily win, they fight 6 vs 1. That’s it. Nothing to be proud of. I prefer to be the lion rather than a hyena in his pack…

  66. Cole Montag November 30, 2017 at 2:05 pm

    I’ve seen Turkish guys try to pickup women. They are super aggressive and inefficient. They may be lucky to bang 1 woman out of 100s that they approach here in New York. The one’s I know have some of the worst game I’ve seen for people that go out so often.

  67. Kathy December 3, 2017 at 12:26 pm

    This is hilarious… my fiancé of 4 years was Turkish. He definitely went out of his way to make me feel like a princess at all times but was extremely jealous. I myself am American but am Muslim so I am not looked at as the “typical American”.

  68. ναταλινα1993 March 24, 2018 at 12:56 pm

    Turkish girls are ugly

  69. Sara Gubits June 23, 2018 at 10:27 am

    so any girl who is horny can just go alone to the bar and find a nice handsome man to use him and he will be even happy to be used.

  70. Burcu August 15, 2018 at 8:49 am

    Hi I’m a Turkish girl. Most of the Turkish guys think if any girl hang out in a club alone or with some other girls.she’s looking for ‘ it’. They try to dance or buy you drink. Most of the guys are very funny. Do not Meet Turkish guys in a club. They think these girls are not high Value. Doesn’t matter if she is Turkish or Dannish :)). But my general opinion, Turkish guys are hot and fun compering the other nationalities 😍