4 Things I Observed From My Trip To New York City

I went to New York recently for a two night “business” trip. As short as it was, I kept my eyes open to digest as much as I could about the city and its people. Here are a few observations I made:

1. You see the grind in people’s eyes

Unlike in Washington DC, you can clearly feel the harsh effects of the city on the people. Based on how expensive it is to live in New York, to have a good life you have to work like a dog with little in the way of breaks for reflection or relaxation. I suspect that a lot of people are living paycheck to paycheck without much in savings, and so are committed to this grind whether they like it or not. The allure of living in New York has essentially captured their body and turned them into a human mule that must never stop laboring and hustling. I observed the same with people in Moscow.

If a New Yorker’s income goes up, they invariably increase the standard at which they live to keep up with the Joneses, so it seems that even if you “win” in New York by getting a job that pays at least $150,000 a year, you still lose in the sense that you won’t accumulate much in the way of wealth, and will be two or three months away from destitution if you happen to lose your job and have trouble finding a new one.

A lot of people have asked me, “Roosh, how you can play the game for so many years without getting tired of it?” Because my job is not a grind, and chasing pussy will never approach the level of grind of labor. I can stay in the game because my life is mostly free of stress in other areas, meaning I can tolerate the high amounts of nonsense I get from pursuing women for the length of time I have. If you’re getting worn down by your job, you will have little leftover for the other grinds that come with a man’s ambitious desires.

2. Smartphones are now a integral part of people’s lives

While walking around New York, I was paranoid of getting hit by a car, so I looked both ways before crossing streets and generally followed the “Don’t Walk” signals. I was shocked to see so many people walking while texting in such an environment. I don’t know how often pedestrians get hit in New York, but it seemed like they were putting their lives in danger.

In the cafes I went to, it was a rule that everyone was staring at their iphone or tablet screen, and even in meetings between friends, a person would keep one eye on their friend and one eye on their phone. The smartphone is now a conversational aid, crutch, and prop that must be nearby to show a picture, news article, status update, or map. Conversations with friends have become multimedia presentations. I’ve railed against smartphones in the past, but they are now too intertwined in the social fiber of America that nothing much can be done about the problem.

A lot of guys are capitalizing on smartphones by mastering dick pic game or using high-tech bots on popular dating apps, but there is no joy for me to use such a device beyond a basic business or communication need, so I accept I will miss out on some sexual benefits from its widespread use.

3. Made men have it best

If you want to live in this city and enjoy it to the fullest, you should already come as a made man with over $300,000 a year in income or a couple million in the bank. Of course you can live in New York for a fraction of that, and find a niche that does give you happiness, but New York allows you to live a regal lifestyle if you have the bankroll.

In the Polish city I’m in, doubling my income would not change my lifestyle one bit, because the city does not have the amenities, Dubai whores, or luxury accommodations that the money could obviously be spent on. The most expensive club cover charge I’ve found is $13 and a cocktail drink price never passes $10.

If you decide to live in New York, there are two options that await you:

a) Become a part of the grind for a short period. Get a humble apartment, work for the man, count your quarters, and squeeze in some easy bangs. After a year or two, when you realize you’ve saved no money and have few—if any—deep relationships, go somewhere else to achieve more financial independence and a higher level of social meaning that takes you away from more shallow pursuits.

b) Accumulate further wealth on top of your already high wealth. Let New York live for you instead of you living for New York. Live like a modern king with a lifestyle that your ancestors couldn’t even dream of.

While my income is high enough to live in New York on favorable terms, my financial cushion would be shrunk to such a degree that I wouldn’t be entirely comfortable.

4. The girls are way better than in Washington DC

My sample size is tiny due to the shortness of my trip (about 10 approaches), but the positive reactions I got from those 10 in an eight-hour period surpass near all the approaches I did in Washington DC for an entire month when I visited last year.

The girls I approached were insanely receptive and genuinely wanted to talk to me. We say in these parts that girls have a lot of options thanks to internet dating while losing the ability to have a conversation if we approach them, but it seems that in New York the dating market is exceptional in some ways due to local demographic conditions and the fact that straight man act effeminate. The girls seem to be craving a confident guy who doesn’t put them on the pedestal and has internationally renowned clown banter.

Not a single girl blew me out, insulted me, or hit me with a feminist talking point. Only one girl looked at her iphone during the conversation. They asked me plenty of personal questions. They did way more talking and helped move the communication forward. One 22-year-old girl approached me in the bar and let me escort her away from her friends for a sloppy make-out session (to be young again!). Another girl gave me her number and then sent me a text asking for a date the next night. The interactions stalled, sadly, when girls found out I was a tourist and staying in a hotel, especially since a couple of those girls would have needed a date to take the intimacy further.

Again, the sample size is small, so no grand conclusions can be made, but if I can duplicate this reception just once in a while, that means girls in New York like me more than girls in Poland. In Poland, a huge number of girls are already in a serious relationship and aren’t as eager to upgrade, so most of my approaches stall for that reason alone. In New York, it seemed that every girl I talked to was sexually available from not being in a serious relationship.

This may be my ego talking, but I’m confident I can get both higher quality and quantity in New York than in my current city in Poland. This isn’t due to just me but the local conditions where New York girls are ready for sex with a mature man who doesn’t act like a fag. It was also interesting to note that girls give quite a bit of eye contact, possibly just as much as in Poland.

Upon returning to Poland, I did a batch of ten approaches and had lower results than the ten in New York. One girl in Poland even rolled her eyes at me, a harsh response that a New York girl did not once give. Poland was amazing for me in 2011, but it’s clear that the tide has turned, and the benefit it offers for me has become mostly financial.

Is Repatriation Now On The Table?

It’s interesting to note that one of the reasons I left the USA is to get a better standard of woman, but it seems that I may have passed a point where I can now do better in New York than abroad. My years of international experience has possibly made me a more attractive catch back in the States. I would have to stay much longer to be sure, but the idea of living in a Western city like New York wouldn’t be a nightmare scenario like in the past.

I calculated that I would need at least $6,000 a month cash to transfer my current lifestyle from Poland to New York, which is four times what I’m currently spending now. Even with that amount, I’d still have to watch my budget and be careful about buying too many rounds of drinks for my friends when I’m in a nice bar and having fun, unlike in Poland where I can make it rain all night without any concern. I would receive two main immediate benefits if I lived in New York: (1) unlimited options for entertainment and easy fornication, and (2) a large social circle of male peers.

The second reason appeals the most to me, but such friendships will invariably entail late nights out, excessive alcohol use, and chasing women. I wonder if it’s a good idea to slip back into that lifestyle, one that I already did before. At nearly 36 years of age, will pursuing more notches and going out to bars three times a week really give me more in life than focusing on my work and being alone in a tame Polish city? As you know, sequels are never better than the original, so I wonder how quickly I’d get tired of it.

I believe New York would cause me to regress into a pursuit of hedonistic delights of the flesh and drink without furthering my development as a man. While my current Polish city is not a village by any means (the metro area has a population of 1 million), it’s harder to lose focus here than in New York, and I’m afraid that my horny constitution is not yet strong enough to resist the unlimited pleasures that New York would offer me.

I know more than anyone that a city or country can change rapidly. As I’ve shared recently, Polish culture is currently on the decline along with most other parts of Eastern Europe. It may happen within 2-5 years where Poland degrades to such a point that I must move to another area of the world. Eastern Europe may merely be a way station for a destination I do not yet know. I’m not sure what the future will hold, but this is the first year since I left the States over five years ago that the idea of moving back wouldn’t fill me with reluctance and dread.

If I ever do move to New York, and it’s not a temporary plan, you can interpret that as me giving up on all notion of ever having a family of my own. It means I must have decided that during the period of humanity I happen to exist in, a life of expensive pleasure is the best outcome to pursue.

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I can highly recommend Chicago instead – it is a lot like New York, but it is also clean, affordable and full of friendly people.

Cedric Roggins
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Rent in any decent area of Chicago for a bachelor pad is $1500 minimum.

So, what’s he saving over NY $200-$800?

I vote Montreal over Chicago. NY has more to offer overall. For cold cities Montreal or NY.

Never got why Roosh never tried Southern California, Vegas, Charleston, SC (highly underrated with very good talent levels) or Austin, TX for American living.

I don’t care for Miami-like a millionaire cigar shop owner friend told me- all the hottest girls in Miami are from Medellin anyway. If you dig Latinas Medellin, Córdoba, or Guadalajara would be much better choices overall. Miami bitchs have a lot of attitude, are materialistic gold diggers, look like the common fare in places 1/4 cheaper like Medellin, and I’ve found NYC girls to be way more social overall.

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Charleston is a diamond in the rough. It’s been a few years since I have been there though.

Is the ratio still 6-1?

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6-1 gtfo! It was never that good and the girls are still mediocre to the upper echelon in LA or Vegas (2 cities Roosh should do).

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Say no to suburbia

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huge fan of texas women here. the closest we get to russian women here in the US.

when i got married in central america last year, some blowhard from my wife’s church came up to me at the reception and started telling me how the devil was going to tempt me with french women now that i’m married. i almost felt bad for the poor untravelled guy. i was like “french women? in this century the devil needs to step up his game and tempt me with russian, brazilian, and texan women.”

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Religiosity. American religious people would tell you to stay here and date undateble masculized women. I wouldn’t listen to someone as judge mental as that. Expat.

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i actually like that my wife is religious and sincerely believes that adultery is a mortal sin, her husband is the head of the household, etc.

i think i can basically agree with you on american christianity though. we’ve been to church together in the US a few times and i’ve been disappointed to see how feminized it all seems.

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He wasn’t cracking on religion, moron
You are the judgmental one.

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Southern California? Ha you have to be kidding narcissism with a capital “N.” You can’t even have a conversation there that does not revolve around job and money and people looking for a hidden agenda. It’s one of the loneliest places I have ever been to.

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Yea I’ve heard bad things like that about Sothern CA. A single mans hell. Unless your an A-lister or Mogul. Or popular hot model or musician. They have all the chicks. Also if you are a successful porn producer 90% if the girls 18 to 25 will sell there ass on camera for a few thousand bucks. Hence the nomer “San Pornando Valley.

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You’re dead on.

LA is a pu*sy purgatory…unless you’re a male model/celebrity/multi-millionaire.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-ali-binazir/is-los-angeles-the-toughe_b_379298.html

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true

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Average furnished 1 BR in Chicago is $1,490/month.
Average furnished 1 BR in NYC is $2,980/month.

So you’d be saving roughly $1,500/month or $18,000/year, lol.

Just a slight difference…

https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/chicago
https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/new-york-city

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Also your only good area is downtown and north side (which is $$$ and a 45 min commute to all the action).

No offense but I don’t think many sane people want what’s out on the streets for them in the West or Southside of Chicago at night.

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Ya mean niggers?

Cedric Roggins
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Anywhere blacks overcrowd and gangbang in is a shit hole. The gangbanging and drugs were created by the government though- LBJs great society and the CIAs way to hustle on the side (lots of dead reporters have showed how to spooks bring in the raw materials and let the boys in the hood cook, package, sell and repeat- sick ass American politics at least in Holland they’re honest about drugs).

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Fathercoughlin watch your motherfucking racist mouth, before you get killed

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Thanks for pointing out the problem with people like this so called “fathercoughlin”

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Thanks for showing us how niggers act at the drop of a hat, proving his point.

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You are a despicable piece of human waste.

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I love how you say that to me, and not the nigger* threatening to kill someone for words they said.

Typical liberal retard behavior. Nothing to see here.

*Decent black folks don’t do this.

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Born and raised southwest side of Chicago (BeverlyMt.Greenwood) area. It’s not all that horrible. Just have to know where to go and where to avoid.

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Roosh in Chitown?!! That would be awesome. I’ve never been to NYC, but one of my close friends just moved there from Chicago and he completely agrees with Roosh’s observations. Needless to say, he’s coming back to Chicago in a year.

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I believe New York would cause me to regress into a pursuit of hedonistic delights

Not sure why Roosh has this notion. After all, he is now famous enough that he would be harassed and stalked by SJWs at every turn. Manhattan/Brooklyn is actually an opportunity for him to have some amazing confrontations with these freaks.

E.g. assemble a posse of hot Ukrainian bodyguardettes to surround him and smirk at the ugly lardos protesting him.

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Ha! oh wait you were serious. Let me laugh even harder XD.

Financially, its awesome – plenty of good jobs & you can rise if you hustle. the women? Chicago is the land of 6’s. 6’s with attitude (you want midwest friendly? go to iowa city)

Chicagoan here desperately trying to get out for better dating options.

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my thoughts exactly. see my reply.

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Nah, I’ll pass on the land of pork and pork products

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Texas sucks. Really. Badly. Especially Austin – don’t move to Austin.

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Austin is a town of 750,000 that was only meant to hold 150,000. Kinda like Boston.

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And it’s effect on the ease and pleasure of living should not be underestimated. There are other towns that pretend to be cities, which share similar problems.

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I’ve lived in chicago most my life and ny for 3 years. I am back in chi for business and can’t wait to get back to nyc. you can’t compare. Chicago’s only saving grace is a constant stream of EEs but they must be found. the population here is incredibly fat, feminist, or ghetto. I went out with a polish girl here and she said “american guys are huge pussies”. which supports my thesis that it’s hard to find masculine male companionship.

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It’s hard to be masculine when ever facet of the world’s richest country works against you being so.

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I moved to NYC from Chicago a few years ago after spending the better part of my 20s in Lincoln Park. While Chicago is much more affordable, the sex ratio skews completely opposite of NYC. There are way more, and hotter, girls in NYC than Chicago. Weather is better too. Chicago pulls in as many men from surrounding midwest as it does women (mostly fat German Polish stock), while NYC seems to draw in far more babes from the entire country looking to move to “the city” where the real alphas (Wall St) are. If you’ve got the dough, nothing beats Manhattan. Chicago girls are fat from eating deep dish and having a very limited summer to shame them into staying skinny. In many ways Chicago resembles Toronto much more than NYC

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Chicago ? LOL. I’ve been to Chicago. Friendly is not what I would characterize most people (I encountered). Some may be but many I noticed were arrogant, inconsiderate, impatient, douchebags.
I understand you may be referring to general Midwestern values and friendliness. In that case I would recommend Indianapolis instead. I found the folks much more friendly.

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Chicago has fatter people than nyc. Glad to hear that Roosh found a city in the US that he feels is liveable.

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Two days is not enough to judge. Some days here in Denmark women are friendly and give eyecontact etc etc. Then suddenly it flips, and they are back at rolling your eyes at you. There are good and bad days.

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Small sample size too. Plus a self-reporting bias. If he’d stayed longer it might have been different; but more likely, even if he did like it, it wouldn’t be the city for most men once you take into consideration the financial aspects of living and other features. Plus the women aren’t all that compared to other places IMHO.

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He came to New York fresh off the boat and he got his shit together. Women sense something interesting about him. Let him stay a few month in a low paid 9-5 job and let’s see what happens .By that time he will give off the same beaten down desperate vibe as everybody else, and that’s when the eye rolling starts.

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I worked as a corporate lawyer in NYC for almost ten years and am actually planning to move back shortly … however, I refuse to go back to my old drone lifestyle so I’m going to see if I can try something entrepreneurial or perhaps find some other niche which I actually enjoy …

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Male whore?

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Anything’s possible I suppose … I actually know a guy from law school who’s seriously dating the daughter of a billionaire … the downside is she’s pretty busted …

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Is it my imagination or are half the people posting on ROK lawyers or ex-lawyers?

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We’re everywhere, my friend.

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Mother fucking NINJAS!

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“Because my job is not a grind, and chasing pussy will never approach the level of grind of labor.”

Being your own boss is the best; that’s been my setup for years. No dealing with cubicles, office drones, general douchbqgs of either gender or the entrapments that the modern workplace levies on both you and your soul.

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Vorek/Valizadeh

Like you I have a blonde fetish.Have you seen some of the quality from-
Czech Republic
Australia
Southern California
Vegas

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Australia? You have got to be kidding me… we are even fatter than Americans these days, don’t you know? Plus that accent.. if that isn’t a boner killer , I don’t know what is

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Spot on. It’s very easy to YOLO yourself into the next decade here and wake up with nothing to show for it.

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YOLO is for idiots. I was once that idiot myself.

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I YOLO myself for one night out and regret the effects on my wallet the next day.

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“How do we know?”

Dude, is this your first day on the Internet?

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You’re chatting with a bot? That’s a new approach I’ve never heard of…

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Well, if the monster truck avatar is any indication…..

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I was both in Warsow and New York this year. I was in Poland from december to february and in the US from february until last week. How? I got expelled from college so I took the year off and I have family on both countries.

Now, I’m a 7/10 looking guy, tall and not bad looking, so there is your bias.

I get eye contact in both cities but with one main difference: in New York I know they just want to fuck me so they stare at me, they challenge me with their glances. In Poland they make sure I’ve caught them watching me just once and never see me again, invitating me to approach.

Girls in Poland are better looking, they’re femenine and something that really surprised my chauvinistic/misogynistic/sexist me is that they really are smart and funny. I found myself laughing at their jokes or having very interesting conversations. Not the case in NY where I had to fake my laugh and interrupt or change topics that where non-sexual.

Female lawyers, economists, bankers or analists in Poland are femenine. In NY these are not.

Unlike papi Roosh, girls reacted well in NY when I told them I was staying just for a limited time and the impression I had is that that information was irrelevant because they weren’t looking for a long term relationship.

I suppose they just take me as their take-home dildo for the night and I confirm this because everything was sexual with them.

I fucked 7 girls in both countries but hooked up with two girls “regularly” in both New York and Poland. Something important to note is how I got girls in both countries:

Ney York: aloof game, being mean, neg, criticize, dread and I was banging the same night

Warsaw: deep conversations, good guy game, comfort

I didn’t had sex with one girl from Poland until the last day I was staying because she knew I was eventually leaving. The funny thing is that I didn’t care that much because I enjoyed talking to her, would something like this could have happened in the US? I highly doubt it.

Still, the odds are higher for Poland if you’re looking for a long term relationship and a kind-of-better woman. It’s true, their society is starting to americanize but compared to NY it seemed like a more healthy environment to me where romance was still alive and I was not getting shit-tested all day.

In short words: in NY they “live the moment”. They infatuate with you easily and the forget about you easily. Even though men there are more femenine and dumb they still get more alphas because of the demographics. As soon as I left NY I was no longer of their interest, I’m not in contact anymore with any of them.

In Warsaw they are still more pure and romance is alive. They take longer to connect with you because it is not only sexual. I still talk to both girls ocassionally on skype or whatsapp.

For me, it will be Poland since I like my girls good, cook and can have a fucking conversation and make me laugh, and although I like those sadistic bitches full of tattoos in NY who demand you asphyxiate them hard on the first lay, I don’t think I could like them on the long term.

(This is my vile generalization on both cities based on my experiences)

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unfortunatelly lots of girls here (Poland) just desperatelly looks for attention, they may speak with someone and give him signals even if they would never date him, just to feel being “popular” or “attractive” especially when her jelous friends are looking.

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Interesting – we don’t see attention whoring like that in most places

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Alright. So I see an ideal situation forming here.

If I get a crash pad in Manhattan to share with a couple red pill guys and bounce back and forth between NYC and E Europe. And for game training it’s easy enough to pop up to Montreal or down to DC.

Why limit one’s self to just one venue?

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Completely made up idiocy i.e. “I found myself laughing at their jokes or having very interesting conversations.” yeah right, I don’t see you entering the elite level in Warsaw if you’re not in the elite level in NYC… especially if you don’t speak Polish. Only in the elite level will you find interesting people in Warsaw AND THEY don’t hang out with random losers. It’s pretty obvious you get low-end women like the majority of the posers here..

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I reckon its unfortunate that the slut-fest lifestyle has gone global. Women are just to get fucked and loyalty or any relationship value on their part is gone, so goes the western races. Worse still, society has already collapsed due to this, which is only hidden by money. NY still has a lot of it, but i expect poles to get fucked up real soon ‘cos they cannot afford the cost of feminism, which is borne by men only.

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The thing was New York — and I know because I spent half my life trying to move there based on yearly visits where I fell in love with the place — is that it seduces you when you visit. Embraces your senses and your lust for life.

When you finally do set up and move there, unless, as you say, you have the bankroll to live it up — it becomes a fucking grind and pain in the ass.

I lived in NYC for 6 years. The first year was an all out drink fest with lots lots of late nights and lots of poon. Something about that city makes the women aggressive and very DTF.

This could just be me, but I’ve heard this from others who lived there and left. After awhile, the cons outweigh the pros. (Too much pussy is a con? Well, depends on your goals.) You’ll live in a shoebox. You’ll feel claustrophobic just walking around. Wanting to get out and experience nature (and I don’t mean a walk in Central Park) will be mandatory.

Bottom line, NYC is great when you’re in your 20’s. After that, unless you have a great career and income, not so much.

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I have instructed my ship mates to tie me to the mast so that I can’t succumb to its siren song.

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Lol. Yeah but you may kill the shipmates first, as the siren can turn you against them.

The ideal (but of course) would be to have the cash for a nice pad in NYC and the freedom to come and go as you choose.

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Roosh what EE countries do the women not age like snow monsters in?

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Slavic girls age like shit! It’s sad but true. After 25 they go downhill fast! By 30 she is a babushka with ankles a big as tree trunks and a face like a Sea Donkey.

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I went up there and stayed with a buddy in Manhattan a couple years back. This was right around when I was discovering the red pill. I couldn’t believe how easy it was to approach attractive, thin women in popular clubs there. I talked to my buddy about it. He said look around the room. Do you see an ugly girl? (Nope) These girls know it. The standards here are high, and if she says the wrong thing, or bitches too much, or is annoying, she knows she’ll be immediately replaced by one of 20 other women in the room. He also said the women there are desperate, so desperate it is almost palpable. I indeed felt that.

I shared a cab home with a girl I met just an hour or so earliier and made out in the cab. We met at one bar and got her and her gf to follow us to a couple of others. I didn’t know enough to push for the bang but it probably could have been had. She was very frank and honest with me and basically admitted that it is hard as shit being a girl in NYC and there is so much competition and it’s basically demanded that you treat your man right because if not there is a 110 pound supermodel from Lithuania that just arrived last night that will be happy to please your man.

I think it would be awfully fun to live there for a couple of years. But any more than that, and it would be very difficult to not turn into an asshole, both with women and just in general. Also, couchsurfing game gets you mad laid there.

Finally, whatever you think of the west, or America, NYC is a completely different ball game. Other than having to pay Uncle Sam’s tax bill and follow the laws, it is literally another country up there. And something for everyone. No matter what you like, polish, French, german, Ethiopian, Italian, etc. there is an entire community living there in NYC for you to explore.

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“A lot of people have asked me, “Roosh, how you can play the game for so many years without getting tired of it?” Because my job is not a grind, and chasing pussy will never approach the level of grind of labor. I can stay in the game because my life is mostly free of stress in other areas, meaning I can tolerate the high amounts of nonsense I get from pursuing women for the length of time I have. If you’re getting worn down by your job, you will have little leftover for the other grinds that come with a man’s ambitious desires.”

This paragraph is an article all on its own.

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Roosh, I don’t know in which city you stay but I think girls are spoiled because of the Erasmus (student’s exchange program), so in the biggest cities like Warsaw, Wroclaw, Krakow etc.. someone from abroad is not exotic anymore, unless he is at least from Cuba or Brasil smile

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Interesting observations, there is something about NYC that lures people to it. I’ve never been myself, but it sounds like NYC would also be good for an intermediate term day game / tourist jaunt…maybe 3-6 months.

The cost of living is too high without the $200+k a year income to stay long term. The same level of entertainment may be had for 1/2 that in Vegas and the talent level of the local girls could be the same if not higher.

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I freelance for a career and can live anywhere I want, but I’ve been living in New York for 3 years now and have no plans to move. It’s really easy to get chewed up and spit out here, but once you learn the rhythm of the city and how to deal with things it gets really easy. Most people don’t last due to the grind you mentioned – For instance, I’ve never seen more balding 20-somethings per capita than in NYC. And there’s a 95% chance if you see a young guy balding he’s a blue pill worker drone who’s putting in way more to his job than he gets out of it/Stressing about people’s expectations of him.

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I’m not sure being adjusted to the grind of the place is a good thing – NYC and London are the cesspit of humanity, despite offering many somewhat attractive and horny women. Being well adjusted to a sick society is not a measure of good health, nor is the man who can do it superior to other men. They are places where you go along with the agenda and are smart enough to get things done, but stupid enough to not be able to actually shine. I lived in both places and I didn’t think much of the capabilities of the people there compared to other places within those countries and the world.

In fact, I felt people in both cities were somewhat substandard and I grew a lot of disrepect for them because of this. There is a lot of money flowing around, but sadly, next to no wisdom.

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Interesting write-up, Roosh

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The essence of MGTOW versus PUA.

The gentleman’s barely spent 2 days in NY and he can barely hold himself back from salivating over the endless opportunities of negging, disqualifying, escalating and kino-ing über-entitled and hypergamous western women. The very women he fled away from in the first place.

I’d rather go teach English in sunny Crimea than head back to the NY or London.

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Roosh, at this stage in your life why can’t you enjoy both places? Say, a month in NYC and the rest of the time in a cheap poon paradise. Daughter an investment banker in NYC (yeah, I know) but it took 14 years of sweat to make it. With no guy and she now hates NY. But with your allies in the Big Apple you could experiment with the latest fem wave and then retire to friendlier shores.

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But rent is expensive in NY, especially if you rent short term. You can’t just rent an extended stay hotel like you would in another city in the US. Well, you can, but a decent place in Manhattan will cost you probably 200-300 a day.

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Crimea? You mean the place where you now need a Russian visa? That Crimea?

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Crimea is a personal choice. Phuket and Bali are visa free however. Both beat NY and London, lifestyle wise, for a 36+ yo.

Unless they happen to be a PUA.

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Agreed. I lived in Midtown Manhatten a couple of years ago and I was appaled at how average looking the women were. London was an improvement, but it still was not as good as I’d expected it to be. Plus the women are so full of feminist bullshit, its laughable.

Mabye R is doing well with them as the women are similar in nature to him in NYC, being only after a quick fuck. The only issue is, he would get bored of them again because there is little femininity there. Plus it’s expensive. If poland is getting worse, it could be a temporary effect, but if he went to a different Euro country, I’m sure he could find better women. In any case, even if he did find it was for him, not every other guy would agree that NYC is that great after having lived there, and certainly I feel there are so many other cities that are much better than NYC or London. They really are over-hyped places with the least normal women you can find, where the best features are DTF and the fact that the women in such places are more attractive than most places in general, short of university campuses etc..

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You obviously haven’t lived in NY.

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Roosh, I’d be curious to see your ‘current’ take on Miami, and Vegas. Places known for having access to high quality women, but better cost of living than NYC – at least for real estate.

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Meanwhile, Canada is only getting worse by the day…

Just read THIS profile of a Canadian whale of a woman:

http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=92266990

And READ THE HEADLINE:

” shyd67: Where are all the good men??”

Fucking ugly like Hell morbidly obese whale of a Canadian women is wondering where all the good men are and why they are NOT giving het much attention!!!

Canada is definitely at a DEFCOCK 1 stage now.

http://pics1.pof.com/dating/1124/52/8/2693afb03-d5f2-4c25-ba8d-5b156c679ef4.jpg

http://pics1.pof.com/dating/1124/54/75/227fbc36d-f43e-499a-b903-c2ee73f1c874.jpg

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MEDIC! I NEED EYEBLEACH!

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You hate your home country .. .we got it….

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Good grief, POF is such a waste of bandwidth. Use OKC is you are in any civilized city. Toronto and Vancouver are kind of hit or miss; full of 5’s 6’s and 7’s. I think the yellow fever has finally set in: the only girls in my match list that actually look good to me are the Asian ones.

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I am from Toronto and now in China.
Where are you ex from and to?

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1. From Toronto.
2. Been living in Russia and Ukraine for 6+ years now and never looked back or regretted my move!
3. Every self respecting North American male should get sporty and educated, learn a trade and a foreign language, save some money and leave North America behind for good!
4. Toronto and Canada are definitely at DEFCOCK 1 stage now.

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North Americans tend to be stupid fucks who won’t learn another language unless they are born into it, like Spanish or whatever. I am really busting my balls to get with the Mandarin but more lazy cocksuckers should go for Dutch, German, French or Spanish (in order from easy to somewhat hard).
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There is such an emphasis on lifting weights but very little on cultural development.

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Sports should ALWAYS come with intellect. There is no way around it.

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The broads here are shameless and delusional.

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Why get so upset about her problem?

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It ain’t HER problem! She ain’t got NO problem since she’s openly asking ” shyd67: Where are all the good men??” !!!!!
A fucking ugly morbidly obese whale of a woman is wondering where all the good men are!!!!!!! She doesn’t want to change a shit in her appearance, her attitude and visions of life/things/people around her!
But she wants all the good men to line up ready to tease and please her to the max without EVER asking HER to give anything back in form of attitude change, working out on her body or her mind or getting some style.
She ain’t got NO problem, but Canadian pussified males sure got a lot of problems if they tolerate such kind of an attitude from such kind of a “whale-female”.

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Yeah, okay… Good luck with that, but I’m not so sure your heart is going to be able to keep up for too long.

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NYC does that to most men I know. It’s a great place to visit, but I know I can’t live there. It’s not so much the cost of living for me, as I live in London, it’s more the general “city that never sleeps” vibe.

I was there for half a year. It is like an adult amusement park. Women there are always approachable and ready for action. I would get sucked in and it wouldn’t be good for my long term prospects. Great place to visit with a buddy or two, or on a solo mission. Best place in the world in that respect in my mind. My two cents.

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I heard the rent in London is totally insane.

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Yeah it is, hence why I can’t knock NYC for the cost of living. At least in London I can escape to a foreign land easily. Not as easy to do on a weekend from NYC. Plus, it’s not as 24 hours and hectic as NYC and more flavours are available. women in NYC are more approachable but you’re still dealing with largely American women.

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An hour through the chunnel and BOOM, you are in France. The best you can do from NYC is go to Montreal.

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It’s worth a try Roosh, you’ve been in Eastern Europe for quite some time, maybe NYC will please you on the long-term too. If you decided to stay there, I’m sure you could find ways to get more income from RoK and Reaxxion.

What more could one hope for? NYC without the corporate grind !

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Your ego is a positive influence to counter any negative thinking that you may be bombarded with.

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Roosh what if you had couple of millions in bank account what would be your typical day in New York where would you go and how and how much you would spend, I read that article and still don’t get where you spend all that money? Buying expensive drinks in clubs? What else?

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I honestly think NYC sucks. I mean , Manhattan is alright but the other boroughs are dumps. The weather sucks. The people are rude. The bridge and tunnel crowd gets nauseating. I mean I could live in mid-town if I had to, but the rest of the state, is a craphole. Brooklyn? Who wants to live there? Staten Island…complete sess pool. You wan tot see how how women, take yourself to Vegas or So Cal. I was in Vegas this weekend and the talent walking through the Wynn on a Thursday and Saturday night was mind blowing. I think LA gets a real bad rap. For the same price of living in Manhattan, you can live in Manhattan Beach in Cali. What would you rather do…wake up to the ocean or wake up to the lower east side? NYC is way over hyped.

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See, this is my impression too. Having only been to Queens and Manhattan, I thought the place was a shithole. Sure there are some “nice” places in Manhattan that make it alright. But for the money I’d rather go back to LA and San Diego and parts in between. At least you’ve got great weather, and shit to look at and shit to do when you’re tired of gaming plastic barbie dolls.

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Manhattan women = average for the most part.
Lived there 6 months.
Completely unimpressed compared to europe.

plus, too many c*nts who care about the money you have in your wallet. The worst offenders of this type are women who are feminist and are 5’s, but feel entitled to all sorts of shit. I laughed, as there are much hotter women willing to please for next-to-nothing in so many other parts of the world.

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Whew. Good to know because I really wan’t keen on setting up shop in NYC, which I still think is a shithole.

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In Manhattan the narrow streets and tall buildings give me claustrophobia. The only other place I experienced that was Hong Kong. Otherwise, I generally like big cities. I never visited the other boroughs but I would not be surprised if they blow big chunks.

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As a foreigner, I agree. Pulling attractive women in So Cal and Vegas was like shooting fish in a barrel. The talent in San Fran was horrendous though… woof!

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Aha, polish people actually work just as long/hard as New Yorkers if not longer. Hours per annum:

1 918 – Poland

2 237 – Mexico

1 788 – USA

1 388 – Germany

http://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS

You just don’t see it because you’re an average thinker surrounded by the dumbest people on the Internet lol.

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Living a low stress life is worth it’s weight in gold. smile

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well said

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Teaching in China is way better than being a lawyer in Vancouver.

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I’m from Atlanta but live in NYC now, an let me tell you New York is a great place to meet beautiful women. Funny thing is i never really had much luck in ATL sure i had a few gfs an one night stands, but in NYC the women seem more sociable even with a smartphone in their hand. I live close to Chinatown an even the women there are very approachable an incredibly beautiful by the way.

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Atlanta is now a city of ballers. The traffic is so bad you need to live in specific, expensive areas of the city to be able to pipeline poon.
The night clubs turned to shit because demand for VIP floorspace. Some clubs. are now more VIP than regular area. If you don’t have the money to hold court there, you have to hit the bars.
That being said, living anywhere else is relatively cheap and a great place to accumulate wealth. It’s just Your sex game will stagnate if you aren’t appealing on tinder. Or, know which bars to hit and when or else face a horrific ratio.

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Exactly I was there in Feb visiting family, an the scene was pretty much dead compared to the vibe in NYC. I don’t know if your familiar with Lenox Mall, but that was to me the main place for pickups especially during the day an Fri an Sat nights.

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NYC is much more than game options.As someone who lived in Montreal for a long time I can tell you Montreal is not even the same league (and believe me NYC winter is laughing matter comparing to Montreal’s one ;Neither is Chicago nor any other city in NA).
In short I think: If you are young go to NYC . If you are older go if you have money or get well payed job (and no plan to raise family there).
Of course this assumes that NYC is the place for you (which is probably is not if your type of city is for example Miami or Houston..or Vienna ..)

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nyc is a hole.
go back to Lapland or wherever you are now. bang a reindeer.

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Is that about cheeseburger or/and you just failed to get some proper educations and manners?

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Huh?

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Try Malaysia. Despite feminism appearing slowly here, it’s still very red pill in most parts and a good place to raise a family.

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If you like hijabs lol.

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Actually the weather is more of an issue smile

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That’s what I heard.

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I’ll take an approach to bang rate of 25:1 in Moscow with an ultra-feminine hot Russian girl than a 5:1 rate with a tattooed unpleasant American whore.

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Lots of NY folks moving here to Denver, mostly for the herb. I went to Seattle/Vancouver area for the first time last year and loved it. Heavy asian saturation there….which is nice for both short/long term bangs

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The novelty wears off when you’re no longer a tourist and you’ve become a quasi-resident.

Seattle at least feels like it might have something of a soul left, at least until the Amazoids squash the last bits of it. Vancouver, on the other hand …

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Like Roosh said, I think NYC is a trap city for most. Unless you’re rich or really young (under 25), saving money will be tough, friendships will be transient, and the rat race will wear you down. I think the city makes insecure or troubled people feel they made the Big Time when really all they’ve done is move to an over priced place with bad weather 8 months of the year. If you’re running away from personal issues, NYC is perfect because there are so many distractions and so much entertainment you can disappear into the mob.

This is all based on anecdotal experience from friends. Single women who move to NYC alone usually begin a decade long spiral down. Career obsession, roommate drama, the daily grind, constant dating failures take their toll. For dudes, I’ve found that if you’re about 30 or over and don’t already have a solid social network or a long term relationship in NYC, moving there just sets you back emotionally, financially and spiritually. Bad traits get amplified and virtues get buried under the rat race.

NYC is a young man’s game or a rich man’s game. For everyone else, I think the city is a glamorous little siren calling the foolish to their doom.

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Rich men with free time or young and well good-looking men will do well anywhere, but especially NYC. The talent is probably good compared to the rest of America, but it doesn’t compare with Europe. No way. There are so many places in Europe that make America and Anglo women look for the most part like a bad joke, if you like white women.

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You called it.

I hope Roosh isn’t too taken with NYC because honestly it exemplifies all the crap he complains about. Of course you’ve already adapted yourself to the game…but New York girls perfectly exemplify all the bad traits that make game necessary.

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I have never wanted to see or visit NYC. The busy lifestyle & people there holds no allure to me.
Something that’s a bummer about foreign broads is that they think NYC is the only city in USA & when I ask “where would you like to go in USA”, I know the answer before I ask it.
Also… I will refuse to conform to the Smartphone until it is mandatory. For now, my flip phone works just fine.

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NYC rings the vaginas of the lassies in Scotland too. I tell them I lived there and they smile so wide. The only problem is that I really was underwhelmed with the women (it was an adventure in other ways) and I didn’t understand how I could consistently be in the center of town (midtown) and see so few hot women. I was really disappointed compared to other places I’ve lived. A good college town would probably kick NYCs arse.

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I agree mate. Whilst I enjoyed the sites of NYC, I can’t think of one time when I saw a belter. Seriously… if you think the women in NYC are hot, well, I don’t know where you are from but I feel sorry for you!

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Ashland, Oregon > New York

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I loved visiting NYC as an Australian tourist. But would I live there? Fuck no… just too hectic. Plus who wants to work non-stop to live in a shoe box?

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“I’ve been to America — I’ve been to New York and Orlando” = a typical English person’s estimation of having actually visited the United States.

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You need to visit a lot of different cities in the U.S. You were so unfortunate to have your entire perspective of America based on D.C. … NYC is great and so are many other cities in the states. You also would love the people in the Midwest, where the cost of living is a fraction of places like DC and NYC, and there’s still a bunch of “good girls” not poisoned by all of Western cultures ills. The bottom line is you’ve spent a bunch of time bashing your native country without a true understanding and experience of all it has to offer in different regions.

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Make the move back Roosh! Think of all the flags to be had, the amenities, the unlimited direct flights, the food, etc. No brainer.

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Is it really that great of a place to live? The only thing to do is either work a corporate job and/or fuck. It is a place with no soul, despite what others claim. Most men who frequent this site or other manosphere ones would genuinely hate to live in NYC – he went as a tourist with a limited number of approaches – a longer stay might’ve shattered any ambitions he would’ve had to stay there, as it’s not all that.

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If he can pull, it would be a good spot for him, at least temporarily. He’s not a part of “the grind” which makes living there a lot easier. A rushed 7AM commute on a packed subway would be replaced by a leisure walk through Central Park. If you’re comfortable with a small 1BR and you don’t have to hustle at work all day, the amount of things to do is endless.

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Because of the high cost of living in New York, many young women in NYC and other cites across the States, are using sugar dating sites like tempted.com and meeting wealthy, generous men for mutually beneficial relationships.

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Blasphemy. I highly doubt that Liberal Feminist NY women will be better than their Polish counterparts. Atleast in Poland there are still some cute feminine girls with traditional values. I’m sorry, but American girls are pieces of shit. It’s a mirage Roosh, you’re in the desert and you’re thirsty as fuck and you see the palm trees and watering hole, but it’s a mirage! Stay in Poland and savor it, hold onto it. American culture is a sinking ship bro!

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+10000

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NY is better than Poland.

Polish girls are whores the same, but at least American girls are obvious about it.

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From Shibumi (1979) – http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-12922.html

“How long did you live in America, Nikko?”

“About three years, just after I left Japan. In fact, I still have an apartment in New York.”

“I’ve always wanted to visit New York.”

“You’d be disappointed. It’s a frightened city in which everyone is
in hot and narrow pursuit of money: the bankers, the muggers, the
businessmen, the whores. If you walk the streets and watch their eyes,
you see two things: fear and fury. They are diminished people hovering
behind triple-locked doors. They fight with men they don’t hate, and make love to women they don’t like.
Asea in a mongrel society, they borrow orts and leavings from the
world’s cultures. Kir is a popular drink among those desperate to be
‘with it,’ and they affect Perrier, although they have one of the
world’s great waters in the local village of Saratoga. Their best French
restaurants offer what we would think of as thirty-franc meals for ten
times that much, and the service is characterized by insufferable
snottiness on the part of the waiter, usually an incompetent peasant who
happens to be able to read the menu. But then, Americans enjoy being
abused by waiters. It’s their only way of judging the quality of the
food. On the other hand, if one must live in urban America—a cruel and
unusual punishment at best—one might as well live in the real New York,
rather than in the artificial ones farther inland. And there are some
good things. Harlem has real tone. The municipal library is adequate.
There is a man named Jimmy Fox who is the best barman in North America.
And twice I even found myself in conversation about the nature of shibui
—not shibumi, of course. It’s more within the range of the mercantile
mind to talk of the characteristics of the beautiful than to discuss the
nature of Beauty.”

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Better yet, just move out here to Salt Lake City. Give up entirely on life. I can probably get you an ”in” to the polygamist community around here. You can support multiple fat american bitches that way. It can’t be any worse than moving to NY.

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I am 31 Years old. I lived in NYC for a year when I was 25. It was a lot of fun and It was the first time I had several girls I was dating at once. I got sick of it though after a while, living in a tiny apt and their is just too many people there. Gets claustrophobic and the sort of lifestyle there will burn you out once you are over 30. An endless life filled with pussy would be great but everything gets old and you have to constantly re-evalutate what brings you happiness and not what brought you happiness in the past. As I am getting older I find spending time with family, friends, focusing on growing my small business fills up a larger portion of what brings me happiness now

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To be honest, NYC isn’t what it used to be and neither is London. Mass immigration hasn’t helped. Neither has uber-feminism, and the girls even when they are hot aren’t all that compared to other cities and nations. I don’t see most men wanting to live in either city now or in the coming years, apart from a minority with specific lifestyle tastes. But the women are not so great that you should relocate for them. And I wonder how rising tuition costs and the college bubble will affect women, with less choosing to go to university.

Men will have to find other locales in future to meet younger women, as college towns will donwsize and the bigger cities will become increasingly expensive and offer less women.

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Dude. I would bet your results have to do with the fact that in New York people are much more receptive to a vaguely “foreign” looking dude because New York is very diverse.

DC is super white by contrast.

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I’d bet if you’d stayed longer, whilst the poosey may be alright, you would quickly find out you didn’t like it as much as you initially thought. It’s just the tourist effect.

There are few if any worthwhile women in those places – their souls are sucked out by their environment and quick fucks are the only thing they have to offer; with the average attrativeness going down over the years, as Europe offers much better looking women on average. NYC is like McDonald’s – yeh it tastes good if you’re in a rush or you’re hungry, but it’s not something to savour in terms of the women.

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This is probably what I would say if I had only ever spent time in midtown manhattan. Venture a little further away from times square to find an endless diversity of women, especially in the outter burrows… Dont call my bk girls souless

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I have two observations. First is that, as you move east, the quality of women increases. That is at least in terms of how they dress, carry themselves, and generally make themselves out. I lived in Vancouver for 7 years and at one point some friends and I took a trip to NYC via Toronto. All of us noticed this effect. I would also comment that Montreal girls are better than TO but not up to NYC standards. We were not deploying game so I can’t say whether they were complete fucking bitches or not. I guess the second qualifier is that I have not spent any significant time in California.
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The other thing is that my younger brother is getting married in about a month. He lives and works in Manhattan as does his fiancé. I can only guess that his income is high five figures (he is sort of a junior curator at the Guggenheim). Last time I checked he was living in a 500 square foot apartment and paying $1500 a month.

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His $1500 is probably only his share of the rent, unless he lives way uptown in ghettoville or has rent subsidy. $1500 is unheard of for even a studio.

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He was living on his own at that time. That is from several years ago, I have not discussed finances with him since then.

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could you clarify your point on montreal girls? Im want to spend time in that city, soon.

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Montreal is a great party city and the girls will doll themselves up to go out. People – women – will go to Montreal just to have fun, sort of Vegas style. The bars are open later and the vibe is more European rather than North American.
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I encourage others to chime in who have more recent experiences there.

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The only people who have offspring in New York are the poor minorities. Uncle Sam conveniently subsidizes them

The rest is all childless hedonism, perpetual dating, making and spending money

NYC is the graveyard for female ovaries

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I know that Roosh completely HATES Toronto, but I would prefer that to NYC. Above that I would rank Melbourne but I have been there in a long time. Brisbane is like Miami but without the guns and drugs. Here in China the place to live is Xiamen, which you probably have not heard of.

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Toronto over NYC? No fucking chance in Hell!
Toronto and Canada as a country are already at DEFCOCK 1 stage!
Canada and Toronto should be avoided by all means possible!

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You can walk the streets of TO at 3am and not be worried about being assassinated by some cunt with a Glock.
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I can’t comment on the state of women because I haven’t lived there for a few years. I visited over Christmas last year and it is a beautiful and vibrant city.

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Yeah right:) Try Jane-Finch/Sheppard/Wilson/Lawrence, Parliament/Gerrard, Rexdale or Malvern at 3 am;) Bet you’ll have many reasons to be worried;))
A little downtown block or two are somewhat safe but you can still expect a lot of goofs and psychos there as well.
We ain’t talking about the safety here, it’s about women! And Canadian females are the worst in the world in all aspects!

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Certainly, there are exceptions but I am talking in generalities.

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I’ve lived in TO my whole life and only been randomly robbed once on the street. There are areas you should avoid but you don’t want to waste your time in those areas anyways, so for safety I agree it’s not bad.

Where Toronto wears you out is that it has all the pitfalls that NYC has as mentioned above, plus a total lack of self-esteem or culture. At least if you’re grinding yourself down in New York it is still New York… with all the hype of a super-city. The stuff of great stories. Toronto is all the grind but without the hype… And instead you’re faced with feminist drug addicted twats everywhere you go on the ground. I remember when I was in NYC I actually had random conversations with people, and the girls actually wanted to talk for more than 5 seconds. In Toronto you have to go waaaay over the top to break their bubble on a regular night out.

If you’re rich perhaps there is a higher echelon you can be a part of but I really believe this place will bring any normal man with integrity down to the lowest common denominator.

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I’ve lived in TO my whole life and only been randomly robbed once on the street. There are areas you should avoid but you don’t want to waste your time in those areas anyways, so for safety I agree it’s not bad.

Where Toronto wears you out is that it has all the pitfalls that NYC has as mentioned above, plus a total lack of self-esteem or culture. At least if you’re grinding yourself down in New York it is still New York… with all the hype of a super-city. The stuff of great stories. Toronto is all the grind but without the hype… And instead you’re faced with feminist drug addicted twats everywhere you go on the ground. I remember when I was in NYC I actually had random conversations with people, and the girls actually wanted to talk for more than 5 seconds. In Toronto you have to go waaaay over the top to break their bubble on a regular night out.

If you’re rich perhaps there is a higher echelon you can be a part of but I really believe this place will bring any normal man with integrity down to the lowest common denominator.

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Brisbane is boring dump full of bogans! Sydney is the only worthwhile place in Oz, but has similar issues as New York in terms of affordability.

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It has been many years but I found that Sydney was full of corporate whores or just. . .whores (King Cross anyone?) Otherwise, I will have to take your word on the decline of the Pacific Empire.

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Australia these days is horrendous. Sydney women, attitude wise, are amongst the worst in the world. And they are not hot enough to make up for that…

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$150k in NYC is barely winning. Even at $300k, those people are still busting their ass and not saving much. Hell, a million a year and you’re still “working rich” in NYC.

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Don’t do it Roosh. I’ve lived 26 years in NYC and moved to Poland 3 years ago, and I am never going back. You may have had a good experience, but I think that’s because of low sample size. I would often go out with a skilled wingman and we enjoyed a lot of success in our time. However you still have to grind to meet any attractive women, since 90%+ of them are obese. The rest mostly have horrible personalities. Living in a big city, they are being bombarded by men hitting on them all day long, so their shields are up to maximum power at all times. Again, it’s not impossible to pick them up if you’re alpha, but it’s incredibly tiring to have to be 100% asshole all the time just to get their attention. The flakkiness and horrible, horrible personalities also really wore me down personally. Meanwhile in PL I would have to look far and wide to see a young obese girl, and the fact most men here are extremely beta makes talking to them very pleasant and easy. I don’t have to be a clown or a serial killer here to get noticed by women. As you mentioned, social life in NY means constant runs to the city to booze it up and meet total idiots. Honestly many times I wouldn’t take the lay just because the other person’s personality was so aggravating. When I visited Berlin and Prague for the first time, I couldn’t believe how many years I wasted in New York. Just my 2cents.

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Just curiosity , which part of NYC did you live in?

You cannot be talking about Manhattan when you say 90% obese !! (Or you count all these from surrounding areas and elsewhere in America coming (visiting) hanging around Time Square usually ) .

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Lived in Brooklyn but that doesn’t even count as a place to meet women lol. Manhattan may have a higher percentage of attractive women than the boroughs, but still nothing compared to what I see in EE.

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I was born in EE (Slavic origin) and lived in one of the major cities , lived in Montreal , now I live in NYC area (but spend significant amount of time on Manhattan).
From that experience :
Probably number of 7-10 girls on Manhattan is not inferior to any of this EE cities.
Below that average is probably better in EE , while diversity wins in NYC . (Among others there is significant number of EE and WE girls in NYC , just take walk on W Broadway in Soho on any weekend afternoon )

In any case this is quite subjective and at the end choosing a destination city based solely/mainly on pussines of the place looks quite beta to me.

In NYC you will some best/most intelligent people in many different fields,some may be assholes , but certainly mediocrity does not rule there.

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aman. Like I said before, most of these guys are total losers

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I live in NYC (BK right now) and Id like to comment on the approachableness of girls. It seems to swing between the two most extreme possibilities. Girls are busy in NY, we all know that. They are career oriented, smart phones rule their lives, etc. The windows of freedom during their week, to be out drinking and mingling, are relatively small. This means when you do see girls out having drinks at the bar, the are usually in a REALLY GOOD MOOD. On weeknights at happyhour, friday nights, saturday brunch through the rest of the day, these are the times when this applies. This is when the are superrrr approachable. Unless you have a clique of really bitchy looking girls, the chances of you getting blown out or treated rudely after approaching during these times is very low. Most are friendly and receptive, if you come atleast somewhat correct.

On the flip side, trying to run day game is TOUGH, for all the reasons that have been talked about a million times. Its two sides to the same coin in this city

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I’d really like to hear from any guy that has had significant success with day game here in NYC. My experience mirrors yours, everybody is too busy during the day for small talk.

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New York, New York. A devastating combination of the worst of both liberal and conservative cultures. High taxes, insane cost of living, nanny police state alongside hyper-capitalism and work-tip-you-drop mentality. A liberal would think NYC’s large government and multiculturalism can lead to utopia. All you get is a grimy city of filth, some of the nastiest people the US has to offer and a genuine “Who the fuck are you to talk to me” status-seeking attitude from the women. Not to mention horrible weather for 8 months out of the year which you can’t hide from in a gas-guzzling SUV.

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It’s very easy to game in nyc. There’s such and abundance of women , that women cannot afford to be as picky. There’s no telling when the next straight guy may talk to them but they know they are surround by tons of attractive women they have to compete with. I miss living there for that reason but do not miss all the hassles one bit.

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Women also dress better and more feminine in NYC because its a fashion capital and it expected. Also, another reason I think they are more receptive is it’s a major networking city. There’s no telling who you might be or who you know. Everyone is always looking for an opportunity or a leg up, and the strange guy that just approached might be able to provide it.

Women will at the very least be interested to find out what you do and, if it can benefit them in any way.

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It still needs to be said though that your game has to be really tight. Yes there are a lot of attractive women here but your competition is a lot of men in Manhattan that are really attractive as well (no homo) and loaded with cash. I think a lot of men from other parts of the country get the impression that they can just walk into an NYC bar and women will be climbing over each other to meet them just because of the gender imbalance.

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People who think you can’t live in NYC making $150K are insane lol. Roosh, you can live in NYC for less than $6K a month … you just need to move to a place like Astoria, or LIC, or Flushing (well, only if you like Latinas and speak 30 different languages). No really, a 1 bdrm apartment in Astoria would run you about $1000-1500 a month, and not tiny either. I’m pretty sure you won’t be spending more than $500-600 on utilities (phone, food, electricity, gas). That’s $2100 right there. Your $6K a month figure is more like $4K. Astoria/LIC is about a 20 minute train ride into the city (depending where you get off). Besides, the area has a lot of great coffee shops (greek) and other restaurants (persian, latin, italian, etc.) A bit hipsterish, but the traditional Greeks and Muslims in the area keep that in check. You won’t be seeing slutwalks there that’s for sure. Seriously, if I were to move back to NYC (Im in Long Island now) I would plant myself firmly in that part of Queens.

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Yup, my buddy in Israel used to live in Queens, and he only made 40k/year. He had an unfurnished studio for 1,400/month. Had no disposable income but he proved that you can live in NYC on a run-of-the-mill wage. You only need to make 6-figures if you’re living in Downtown/Midtown Manhattan.