I went to New York recently for a two night “business” trip. As short as it was, I kept my eyes open to digest as much as I could about the city and its people. Here are a few observations I made:

1. You see the grind in people’s eyes

Unlike in Washington DC, you can clearly feel the harsh effects of the city on the people. Based on how expensive it is to live in New York, to have a good life you have to work like a dog with little in the way of breaks for reflection or relaxation. I suspect that a lot of people are living paycheck to paycheck without much in savings, and so are committed to this grind whether they like it or not. The allure of living in New York has essentially captured their body and turned them into a human mule that must never stop laboring and hustling. I observed the same with people in Moscow.

If a New Yorker’s income goes up, they invariably increase the standard at which they live to keep up with the Joneses, so it seems that even if you “win” in New York by getting a job that pays at least $150,000 a year, you still lose in the sense that you won’t accumulate much in the way of wealth, and will be two or three months away from destitution if you happen to lose your job and have trouble finding a new one.

A lot of people have asked me, “Roosh, how you can play the game for so many years without getting tired of it?” Because my job is not a grind, and chasing pussy will never approach the level of grind of labor. I can stay in the game because my life is mostly free of stress in other areas, meaning I can tolerate the high amounts of nonsense I get from pursuing women for the length of time I have. If you’re getting worn down by your job, you will have little leftover for the other grinds that come with a man’s ambitious desires.

2. Smartphones are now a integral part of people’s lives

While walking around New York, I was paranoid of getting hit by a car, so I looked both ways before crossing streets and generally followed the “Don’t Walk” signals. I was shocked to see so many people walking while texting in such an environment. I don’t know how often pedestrians get hit in New York, but it seemed like they were putting their lives in danger.

In the cafes I went to, it was a rule that everyone was staring at their iphone or tablet screen, and even in meetings between friends, a person would keep one eye on their friend and one eye on their phone. The smartphone is now a conversational aid, crutch, and prop that must be nearby to show a picture, news article, status update, or map. Conversations with friends have become multimedia presentations. I’ve railed against smartphones in the past, but they are now too intertwined in the social fiber of America that nothing much can be done about the problem.

A lot of guys are capitalizing on smartphones by mastering dick pic game or using high-tech bots on popular dating apps, but there is no joy for me to use such a device beyond a basic business or communication need, so I accept I will miss out on some sexual benefits from its widespread use.

3. Made men have it best

If you want to live in this city and enjoy it to the fullest, you should already come as a made man with over $300,000 a year in income or a couple million in the bank. Of course you can live in New York for a fraction of that, and find a niche that does give you happiness, but New York allows you to live a regal lifestyle if you have the bankroll.

In the Polish city I’m in, doubling my income would not change my lifestyle one bit, because the city does not have the amenities, Dubai whores, or luxury accommodations that the money could obviously be spent on. The most expensive club cover charge I’ve found is $13 and a cocktail drink price never passes $10.

If you decide to live in New York, there are two options that await you:

a) Become a part of the grind for a short period. Get a humble apartment, work for the man, count your quarters, and squeeze in some easy bangs. After a year or two, when you realize you’ve saved no money and have few—if any—deep relationships, go somewhere else to achieve more financial independence and a higher level of social meaning that takes you away from more shallow pursuits.

b) Accumulate further wealth on top of your already high wealth. Let New York live for you instead of you living for New York. Live like a modern king with a lifestyle that your ancestors couldn’t even dream of.

While my income is high enough to live in New York on favorable terms, my financial cushion would be shrunk to such a degree that I wouldn’t be entirely comfortable.

4. The girls are way better than in Washington DC

My sample size is tiny due to the shortness of my trip (about 10 approaches), but the positive reactions I got from those 10 in an eight-hour period surpass near all the approaches I did in Washington DC for an entire month when I visited last year.

The girls I approached were insanely receptive and genuinely wanted to talk to me. We say in these parts that girls have a lot of options thanks to internet dating while losing the ability to have a conversation if we approach them, but it seems that in New York the dating market is exceptional in some ways due to local demographic conditions and the fact that straight man act effeminate. The girls seem to be craving a confident guy who doesn’t put them on the pedestal and has internationally renowned clown banter.

Not a single girl blew me out, insulted me, or hit me with a feminist talking point. Only one girl looked at her iphone during the conversation. They asked me plenty of personal questions. They did way more talking and helped move the communication forward. One 22-year-old girl approached me in the bar and let me escort her away from her friends for a sloppy make-out session (to be young again!). Another girl gave me her number and then sent me a text asking for a date the next night. The interactions stalled, sadly, when girls found out I was a tourist and staying in a hotel, especially since a couple of those girls would have needed a date to take the intimacy further.

Again, the sample size is small, so no grand conclusions can be made, but if I can duplicate this reception just once in a while, that means girls in New York like me more than girls in Poland. In Poland, a huge number of girls are already in a serious relationship and aren’t as eager to upgrade, so most of my approaches stall for that reason alone. In New York, it seemed that every girl I talked to was sexually available from not being in a serious relationship.

This may be my ego talking, but I’m confident I can get both higher quality and quantity in New York than in my current city in Poland. This isn’t due to just me but the local conditions where New York girls are ready for sex with a mature man who doesn’t act like a fag. It was also interesting to note that girls give quite a bit of eye contact, possibly just as much as in Poland.

Upon returning to Poland, I did a batch of ten approaches and had lower results than the ten in New York. One girl in Poland even rolled her eyes at me, a harsh response that a New York girl did not once give. Poland was amazing for me in 2011, but it’s clear that the tide has turned, and the benefit it offers for me has become mostly financial.

Is Repatriation Now On The Table?

It’s interesting to note that one of the reasons I left the USA is to get a better standard of woman, but it seems that I may have passed a point where I can now do better in New York than abroad. My years of international experience has possibly made me a more attractive catch back in the States. I would have to stay much longer to be sure, but the idea of living in a Western city like New York wouldn’t be a nightmare scenario like in the past.

I calculated that I would need at least $6,000 a month cash to transfer my current lifestyle from Poland to New York, which is four times what I’m currently spending now. Even with that amount, I’d still have to watch my budget and be careful about buying too many rounds of drinks for my friends when I’m in a nice bar and having fun, unlike in Poland where I can make it rain all night without any concern. I would receive two main immediate benefits if I lived in New York: (1) unlimited options for entertainment and easy fornication, and (2) a large social circle of male peers.

The second reason appeals the most to me, but such friendships will invariably entail late nights out, excessive alcohol use, and chasing women. I wonder if it’s a good idea to slip back into that lifestyle, one that I already did before. At nearly 36 years of age, will pursuing more notches and going out to bars three times a week really give me more in life than focusing on my work and being alone in a tame Polish city? As you know, sequels are never better than the original, so I wonder how quickly I’d get tired of it.

I believe New York would cause me to regress into a pursuit of hedonistic delights of the flesh and drink without furthering my development as a man. While my current Polish city is not a village by any means (the metro area has a population of 1 million), it’s harder to lose focus here than in New York, and I’m afraid that my horny constitution is not yet strong enough to resist the unlimited pleasures that New York would offer me.

I know more than anyone that a city or country can change rapidly. As I’ve shared recently, Polish culture is currently on the decline along with most other parts of Eastern Europe. It may happen within 2-5 years where Poland degrades to such a point that I must move to another area of the world. Eastern Europe may merely be a way station for a destination I do not yet know. I’m not sure what the future will hold, but this is the first year since I left the States over five years ago that the idea of moving back wouldn’t fill me with reluctance and dread.

If I ever do move to New York, and it’s not a temporary plan, you can interpret that as me giving up on all notion of ever having a family of my own. It means I must have decided that during the period of humanity I happen to exist in, a life of expensive pleasure is the best outcome to pursue.

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Dr Caveman
Dr Caveman
5 years ago

I can highly recommend Chicago instead – it is a lot like New York, but it is also clean, affordable and full of friendly people.

Cedric Roggins
Cedric Roggins
5 years ago
Reply to  Dr Caveman

Rent in any decent area of Chicago for a bachelor pad is $1500 minimum.

So, what’s he saving over NY $200-$800?

I vote Montreal over Chicago. NY has more to offer overall. For cold cities Montreal or NY.

Never got why Roosh never tried Southern California, Vegas, Charleston, SC (highly underrated with very good talent levels) or Austin, TX for American living.

I don’t care for Miami-like a millionaire cigar shop owner friend told me- all the hottest girls in Miami are from Medellin anyway. If you dig Latinas Medellin, Córdoba, or Guadalajara would be much better choices overall. Miami bitchs have a lot of attitude, are materialistic gold diggers, look like the common fare in places 1/4 cheaper like Medellin, and I’ve found NYC girls to be way more social overall.

Stephen
Stephen
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

Charleston is a diamond in the rough. It’s been a few years since I have been there though.

Is the ratio still 6-1?

Cedric Roggins
Cedric Roggins
5 years ago
Reply to  Stephen

6-1 gtfo! It was never that good and the girls are still mediocre to the upper echelon in LA or Vegas (2 cities Roosh should do).

Der Mac
Der Mac
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

Say no to suburbia

bucky
bucky
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

huge fan of texas women here. the closest we get to russian women here in the US.

when i got married in central america last year, some blowhard from my wife’s church came up to me at the reception and started telling me how the devil was going to tempt me with french women now that i’m married. i almost felt bad for the poor untravelled guy. i was like “french women? in this century the devil needs to step up his game and tempt me with russian, brazilian, and texan women.”

Cedric Roggins
Cedric Roggins
5 years ago
Reply to  bucky

Religiosity. American religious people would tell you to stay here and date undateble masculized women. I wouldn’t listen to someone as judge mental as that. Expat.

bucky
bucky
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

i actually like that my wife is religious and sincerely believes that adultery is a mortal sin, her husband is the head of the household, etc.

i think i can basically agree with you on american christianity though. we’ve been to church together in the US a few times and i’ve been disappointed to see how feminized it all seems.

Reason And Believing
Reason And Believing
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

He wasn’t cracking on religion, moron
You are the judgmental one.

diego
diego
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

Southern California? Ha you have to be kidding narcissism with a capital “N.” You can’t even have a conversation there that does not revolve around job and money and people looking for a hidden agenda. It’s one of the loneliest places I have ever been to.

Terrance Kenallen
Terrance Kenallen
5 years ago
Reply to  diego

Yea I’ve heard bad things like that about Sothern CA. A single mans hell. Unless your an A-lister or Mogul. Or popular hot model or musician. They have all the chicks. Also if you are a successful porn producer 90% if the girls 18 to 25 will sell there ass on camera for a few thousand bucks. Hence the nomer “San Pornando Valley.

Nidjd Nufh
Nidjd Nufh
3 years ago

You’re dead on.

LA is a pu*sy purgatory…unless you’re a male model/celebrity/multi-millionaire.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-ali-binazir/is-los-angeles-the-toughe_b_379298.html

David Pearl
David Pearl
4 years ago
Reply to  diego

true

Nidjd Nufh
Nidjd Nufh
3 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

Average furnished 1 BR in Chicago is $1,490/month.
Average furnished 1 BR in NYC is $2,980/month.

So you’d be saving roughly $1,500/month or $18,000/year, lol.

Just a slight difference…

https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/chicago
https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/new-york-city

Cedric Roggins
Cedric Roggins
5 years ago
Reply to  Dr Caveman

Also your only good area is downtown and north side (which is $$$ and a 45 min commute to all the action).

No offense but I don’t think many sane people want what’s out on the streets for them in the West or Southside of Chicago at night.

Fathercoughlin
Fathercoughlin
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

Ya mean niggers?

Cedric Roggins
Cedric Roggins
5 years ago
Reply to  Fathercoughlin

Anywhere blacks overcrowd and gangbang in is a shit hole. The gangbanging and drugs were created by the government though- LBJs great society and the CIAs way to hustle on the side (lots of dead reporters have showed how to spooks bring in the raw materials and let the boys in the hood cook, package, sell and repeat- sick ass American politics at least in Holland they’re honest about drugs).

Antonio Mais
Antonio Mais
5 years ago
Reply to  Fathercoughlin

Fathercoughlin watch your motherfucking racist mouth, before you get killed

V H
V H
5 years ago
Reply to  Antonio Mais

Thanks for pointing out the problem with people like this so called “fathercoughlin”

Anton Chigurh
Anton Chigurh
4 years ago
Reply to  Antonio Mais

Thanks for showing us how niggers act at the drop of a hat, proving his point.

linked1
linked1
4 years ago
Reply to  Anton Chigurh

You are a despicable piece of human waste.

Anton Chigurh✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗ
Anton Chigurh✓ᴺᵃᵗᶦᵒᶰᵃˡᶦˢᵗ
4 years ago
Reply to  linked1

I love how you say that to me, and not the nigger* threatening to kill someone for words they said.

Typical liberal retard behavior. Nothing to see here.

*Decent black folks don’t do this.

MarxMarvelous
MarxMarvelous
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

Born and raised southwest side of Chicago (BeverlyMt.Greenwood) area. It’s not all that horrible. Just have to know where to go and where to avoid.

Andrea
Andrea
5 years ago
Reply to  Dr Caveman

Roosh in Chitown?!! That would be awesome. I’ve never been to NYC, but one of my close friends just moved there from Chicago and he completely agrees with Roosh’s observations. Needless to say, he’s coming back to Chicago in a year.

ATC
ATC
5 years ago
Reply to  Andrea

I believe New York would cause me to regress into a pursuit of hedonistic delights

Not sure why Roosh has this notion. After all, he is now famous enough that he would be harassed and stalked by SJWs at every turn. Manhattan/Brooklyn is actually an opportunity for him to have some amazing confrontations with these freaks.

E.g. assemble a posse of hot Ukrainian bodyguardettes to surround him and smirk at the ugly lardos protesting him.

dilettante
dilettante
5 years ago
Reply to  Dr Caveman

Ha! oh wait you were serious. Let me laugh even harder XD.

Financially, its awesome – plenty of good jobs & you can rise if you hustle. the women? Chicago is the land of 6’s. 6’s with attitude (you want midwest friendly? go to iowa city)

Chicagoan here desperately trying to get out for better dating options.

Ivan Herrera
Ivan Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  dilettante

my thoughts exactly. see my reply.

PrepZ
PrepZ
5 years ago
Reply to  Dr Caveman

Nah, I’ll pass on the land of pork and pork products

pabarge
pabarge
5 years ago
Reply to  Dr Caveman

Texas sucks. Really. Badly. Especially Austin – don’t move to Austin.

Eduardo the Magnificent
Eduardo the Magnificent
5 years ago
Reply to  pabarge

Austin is a town of 750,000 that was only meant to hold 150,000. Kinda like Boston.

oldfashionedfellow
oldfashionedfellow
5 years ago

And it’s effect on the ease and pleasure of living should not be underestimated. There are other towns that pretend to be cities, which share similar problems.

Ivan Herrera
Ivan Herrera
5 years ago
Reply to  Dr Caveman

I’ve lived in chicago most my life and ny for 3 years. I am back in chi for business and can’t wait to get back to nyc. you can’t compare. Chicago’s only saving grace is a constant stream of EEs but they must be found. the population here is incredibly fat, feminist, or ghetto. I went out with a polish girl here and she said “american guys are huge pussies”. which supports my thesis that it’s hard to find masculine male companionship.

oldfashionedfellow
oldfashionedfellow
5 years ago
Reply to  Ivan Herrera

It’s hard to be masculine when ever facet of the world’s richest country works against you being so.

ConstrainedVision
ConstrainedVision
5 years ago
Reply to  Dr Caveman

I moved to NYC from Chicago a few years ago after spending the better part of my 20s in Lincoln Park. While Chicago is much more affordable, the sex ratio skews completely opposite of NYC. There are way more, and hotter, girls in NYC than Chicago. Weather is better too. Chicago pulls in as many men from surrounding midwest as it does women (mostly fat German Polish stock), while NYC seems to draw in far more babes from the entire country looking to move to “the city” where the real alphas (Wall St) are. If you’ve got the dough, nothing beats Manhattan. Chicago girls are fat from eating deep dish and having a very limited summer to shame them into staying skinny. In many ways Chicago resembles Toronto much more than NYC

Terrance Kenallen
Terrance Kenallen
5 years ago
Reply to  Dr Caveman

Chicago ? LOL. I’ve been to Chicago. Friendly is not what I would characterize most people (I encountered). Some may be but many I noticed were arrogant, inconsiderate, impatient, douchebags.
I understand you may be referring to general Midwestern values and friendliness. In that case I would recommend Indianapolis instead. I found the folks much more friendly.

Clint Barton
Clint Barton
5 years ago

Chicago has fatter people than nyc. Glad to hear that Roosh found a city in the US that he feels is liveable.

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
5 years ago

Two days is not enough to judge. Some days here in Denmark women are friendly and give eyecontact etc etc. Then suddenly it flips, and they are back at rolling your eyes at you. There are good and bad days.

seth datta
seth datta
5 years ago
Reply to  Tom Dane

Small sample size too. Plus a self-reporting bias. If he’d stayed longer it might have been different; but more likely, even if he did like it, it wouldn’t be the city for most men once you take into consideration the financial aspects of living and other features. Plus the women aren’t all that compared to other places IMHO.

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
5 years ago
Reply to  seth datta

He came to New York fresh off the boat and he got his shit together. Women sense something interesting about him. Let him stay a few month in a low paid 9-5 job and let’s see what happens .By that time he will give off the same beaten down desperate vibe as everybody else, and that’s when the eye rolling starts.

ActionJackson23
ActionJackson23
5 years ago

I worked as a corporate lawyer in NYC for almost ten years and am actually planning to move back shortly … however, I refuse to go back to my old drone lifestyle so I’m going to see if I can try something entrepreneurial or perhaps find some other niche which I actually enjoy …

Fathercoughlin
Fathercoughlin
5 years ago

Male whore?

ActionJackson23
ActionJackson23
5 years ago
Reply to  Fathercoughlin

Anything’s possible I suppose … I actually know a guy from law school who’s seriously dating the daughter of a billionaire … the downside is she’s pretty busted …

66Scorpio
66Scorpio
5 years ago

Is it my imagination or are half the people posting on ROK lawyers or ex-lawyers?

Bro_Camel
Bro_Camel
5 years ago
Reply to  66Scorpio

We’re everywhere, my friend.

66Scorpio
66Scorpio
5 years ago
Reply to  Bro_Camel

Mother fucking NINJAS!

YosarriansRight
YosarriansRight
5 years ago

“Because my job is not a grind, and chasing pussy will never approach the level of grind of labor.”

Being your own boss is the best; that’s been my setup for years. No dealing with cubicles, office drones, general douchbqgs of either gender or the entrapments that the modern workplace levies on both you and your soul.

Cedric Roggins
Cedric Roggins
5 years ago

Vorek/Valizadeh

Like you I have a blonde fetish.Have you seen some of the quality from-
Czech Republic
Australia
Southern California
Vegas

BJ
BJ
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

Australia? You have got to be kidding me… we are even fatter than Americans these days, don’t you know? Plus that accent.. if that isn’t a boner killer , I don’t know what is

Mark Zolo
Mark Zolo
5 years ago

Spot on. It’s very easy to YOLO yourself into the next decade here and wake up with nothing to show for it.

Tom Dane
Tom Dane
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark Zolo

YOLO is for idiots. I was once that idiot myself.

PrepZ
PrepZ
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark Zolo

I YOLO myself for one night out and regret the effects on my wallet the next day.

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5 years ago
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Cedric Roggins
5 years ago
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sharp
sharp
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

“How do we know?”

Dude, is this your first day on the Internet?

seth datta
seth datta
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

Its a bot that sends these troll messages out

Der Mac
Der Mac
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

You’re chatting with a bot? That’s a new approach I’ve never heard of…

linked1
linked1
4 years ago
Reply to  Der Mac

Well, if the monster truck avatar is any indication…..

Peter P
Peter P
5 years ago

I was both in Warsow and New York this year. I was in Poland from december to february and in the US from february until last week. How? I got expelled from college so I took the year off and I have family on both countries.

Now, I’m a 7/10 looking guy, tall and not bad looking, so there is your bias.

I get eye contact in both cities but with one main difference: in New York I know they just want to fuck me so they stare at me, they challenge me with their glances. In Poland they make sure I’ve caught them watching me just once and never see me again, invitating me to approach.

Girls in Poland are better looking, they’re femenine and something that really surprised my chauvinistic/misogynistic/sexist me is that they really are smart and funny. I found myself laughing at their jokes or having very interesting conversations. Not the case in NY where I had to fake my laugh and interrupt or change topics that where non-sexual.

Female lawyers, economists, bankers or analists in Poland are femenine. In NY these are not.

Unlike papi Roosh, girls reacted well in NY when I told them I was staying just for a limited time and the impression I had is that that information was irrelevant because they weren’t looking for a long term relationship.

I suppose they just take me as their take-home dildo for the night and I confirm this because everything was sexual with them.

I fucked 7 girls in both countries but hooked up with two girls “regularly” in both New York and Poland. Something important to note is how I got girls in both countries:

Ney York: aloof game, being mean, neg, criticize, dread and I was banging the same night

Warsaw: deep conversations, good guy game, comfort

I didn’t had sex with one girl from Poland until the last day I was staying because she knew I was eventually leaving. The funny thing is that I didn’t care that much because I enjoyed talking to her, would something like this could have happened in the US? I highly doubt it.

Still, the odds are higher for Poland if you’re looking for a long term relationship and a kind-of-better woman. It’s true, their society is starting to americanize but compared to NY it seemed like a more healthy environment to me where romance was still alive and I was not getting shit-tested all day.

In short words: in NY they “live the moment”. They infatuate with you easily and the forget about you easily. Even though men there are more femenine and dumb they still get more alphas because of the demographics. As soon as I left NY I was no longer of their interest, I’m not in contact anymore with any of them.

In Warsaw they are still more pure and romance is alive. They take longer to connect with you because it is not only sexual. I still talk to both girls ocassionally on skype or whatsapp.

For me, it will be Poland since I like my girls good, cook and can have a fucking conversation and make me laugh, and although I like those sadistic bitches full of tattoos in NY who demand you asphyxiate them hard on the first lay, I don’t think I could like them on the long term.

(This is my vile generalization on both cities based on my experiences)

Atr
Atr
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter P

unfortunatelly lots of girls here (Poland) just desperatelly looks for attention, they may speak with someone and give him signals even if they would never date him, just to feel being “popular” or “attractive” especially when her jelous friends are looking.

seth datta
seth datta
5 years ago
Reply to  Atr

Interesting – we don’t see attention whoring like that in most places

PrepZ
PrepZ
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter P

Alright. So I see an ideal situation forming here.

If I get a crash pad in Manhattan to share with a couple red pill guys and bounce back and forth between NYC and E Europe. And for game training it’s easy enough to pop up to Montreal or down to DC.

Why limit one’s self to just one venue?

anon
anon
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter P

Completely made up idiocy i.e. “I found myself laughing at their jokes or having very interesting conversations.” yeah right, I don’t see you entering the elite level in Warsaw if you’re not in the elite level in NYC… especially if you don’t speak Polish. Only in the elite level will you find interesting people in Warsaw AND THEY don’t hang out with random losers. It’s pretty obvious you get low-end women like the majority of the posers here..

seth datta
seth datta
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter P

I reckon its unfortunate that the slut-fest lifestyle has gone global. Women are just to get fucked and loyalty or any relationship value on their part is gone, so goes the western races. Worse still, society has already collapsed due to this, which is only hidden by money. NY still has a lot of it, but i expect poles to get fucked up real soon ‘cos they cannot afford the cost of feminism, which is borne by men only.

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spicynujac
spicynujac
5 years ago
Reply to  Peter P

analists? haha

karmageddon
karmageddon
5 years ago

The thing was New York — and I know because I spent half my life trying to move there based on yearly visits where I fell in love with the place — is that it seduces you when you visit. Embraces your senses and your lust for life.

When you finally do set up and move there, unless, as you say, you have the bankroll to live it up — it becomes a fucking grind and pain in the ass.

I lived in NYC for 6 years. The first year was an all out drink fest with lots lots of late nights and lots of poon. Something about that city makes the women aggressive and very DTF.

This could just be me, but I’ve heard this from others who lived there and left. After awhile, the cons outweigh the pros. (Too much pussy is a con? Well, depends on your goals.) You’ll live in a shoebox. You’ll feel claustrophobic just walking around. Wanting to get out and experience nature (and I don’t mean a walk in Central Park) will be mandatory.

Bottom line, NYC is great when you’re in your 20’s. After that, unless you have a great career and income, not so much.

Roosh_V
Roosh_V
5 years ago
Reply to  karmageddon

I have instructed my ship mates to tie me to the mast so that I can’t succumb to its siren song.

karmageddon
karmageddon
5 years ago
Reply to  Roosh_V

Lol. Yeah but you may kill the shipmates first, as the siren can turn you against them.

The ideal (but of course) would be to have the cash for a nice pad in NYC and the freedom to come and go as you choose.

Cedric Roggins
Cedric Roggins
5 years ago
Reply to  Roosh_V

Roosh what EE countries do the women not age like snow monsters in?

SaltCityPunch
SaltCityPunch
5 years ago
Reply to  Cedric Roggins

Slavic girls age like shit! It’s sad but true. After 25 they go downhill fast! By 30 she is a babushka with ankles a big as tree trunks and a face like a Sea Donkey.

spicynujac
spicynujac
5 years ago
Reply to  karmageddon

I went up there and stayed with a buddy in Manhattan a couple years back. This was right around when I was discovering the red pill. I couldn’t believe how easy it was to approach attractive, thin women in popular clubs there. I talked to my buddy about it. He said look around the room. Do you see an ugly girl? (Nope) These girls know it. The standards here are high, and if she says the wrong thing, or bitches too much, or is annoying, she knows she’ll be immediately replaced by one of 20 other women in the room. He also said the women there are desperate, so desperate it is almost palpable. I indeed felt that.

I shared a cab home with a girl I met just an hour or so earliier and made out in the cab. We met at one bar and got her and her gf to follow us to a couple of others. I didn’t know enough to push for the bang but it probably could have been had. She was very frank and honest with me and basically admitted that it is hard as shit being a girl in NYC and there is so much competition and it’s basically demanded that you treat your man right because if not there is a 110 pound supermodel from Lithuania that just arrived last night that will be happy to please your man.

I think it would be awfully fun to live there for a couple of years. But any more than that, and it would be very difficult to not turn into an asshole, both with women and just in general. Also, couchsurfing game gets you mad laid there.

Finally, whatever you think of the west, or America, NYC is a completely different ball game. Other than having to pay Uncle Sam’s tax bill and follow the laws, it is literally another country up there. And something for everyone. No matter what you like, polish, French, german, Ethiopian, Italian, etc. there is an entire community living there in NYC for you to explore.

Clark Kent
Clark Kent
5 years ago

“A lot of people have asked me, “Roosh, how you can play the game for so many years without getting tired of it?” Because my job is not a grind, and chasing pussy will never approach the level of grind of labor. I can stay in the game because my life is mostly free of stress in other areas, meaning I can tolerate the high amounts of nonsense I get from pursuing women for the length of time I have. If you’re getting worn down by your job, you will have little leftover for the other grinds that come with a man’s ambitious desires.”

This paragraph is an article all on its own.

Atr
Atr
5 years ago

Roosh, I don’t know in which city you stay but I think girls are spoiled because of the Erasmus (student’s exchange program), so in the biggest cities like Warsaw, Wroclaw, Krakow etc.. someone from abroad is not exotic anymore, unless he is at least from Cuba or Brasil 🙂

Action to Knowledge
5 years ago

Interesting observations, there is something about NYC that lures people to it. I’ve never been myself, but it sounds like NYC would also be good for an intermediate term day game / tourist jaunt…maybe 3-6 months.

The cost of living is too high without the $200+k a year income to stay long term. The same level of entertainment may be had for 1/2 that in Vegas and the talent level of the local girls could be the same if not higher.

ng85
ng85
5 years ago

I freelance for a career and can live anywhere I want, but I’ve been living in New York for 3 years now and have no plans to move. It’s really easy to get chewed up and spit out here, but once you learn the rhythm of the city and how to deal with things it gets really easy. Most people don’t last due to the grind you mentioned – For instance, I’ve never seen more balding 20-somethings per capita than in NYC. And there’s a 95% chance if you see a young guy balding he’s a blue pill worker drone who’s putting in way more to his job than he gets out of it/Stressing about people’s expectations of him.

seth datta
seth datta
5 years ago
Reply to  ng85

I’m not sure being adjusted to the grind of the place is a good thing – NYC and London are the cesspit of humanity, despite offering many somewhat attractive and horny women. Being well adjusted to a sick society is not a measure of good health, nor is the man who can do it superior to other men. They are places where you go along with the agenda and are smart enough to get things done, but stupid enough to not be able to actually shine. I lived in both places and I didn’t think much of the capabilities of the people there compared to other places within those countries and the world.

In fact, I felt people in both cities were somewhat substandard and I grew a lot of disrepect for them because of this. There is a lot of money flowing around, but sadly, next to no wisdom.

2Wycked
2Wycked
5 years ago

Interesting write-up, Roosh

Alistair
Alistair
5 years ago

The essence of MGTOW versus PUA.

The gentleman’s barely spent 2 days in NY and he can barely hold himself back from salivating over the endless opportunities of negging, disqualifying, escalating and kino-ing über-entitled and hypergamous western women. The very women he fled away from in the first place.

I’d rather go teach English in sunny Crimea than head back to the NY or London.

senior beta
senior beta
5 years ago
Reply to  Alistair

Roosh, at this stage in your life why can’t you enjoy both places? Say, a month in NYC and the rest of the time in a cheap poon paradise. Daughter an investment banker in NYC (yeah, I know) but it took 14 years of sweat to make it. With no guy and she now hates NY. But with your allies in the Big Apple you could experiment with the latest fem wave and then retire to friendlier shores.

Хуй Забей
Хуй Забей
5 years ago
Reply to  senior beta

But rent is expensive in NY, especially if you rent short term. You can’t just rent an extended stay hotel like you would in another city in the US. Well, you can, but a decent place in Manhattan will cost you probably 200-300 a day.

TyKo Steamboat
TyKo Steamboat
5 years ago
Reply to  Alistair

Crimea? You mean the place where you now need a Russian visa? That Crimea?

Alistair
Alistair
5 years ago
Reply to  TyKo Steamboat

Crimea is a personal choice. Phuket and Bali are visa free however. Both beat NY and London, lifestyle wise, for a 36+ yo.

Unless they happen to be a PUA.

seth datta
seth datta
5 years ago
Reply to  Alistair

Agreed. I lived in Midtown Manhatten a couple of years ago and I was appaled at how average looking the women were. London was an improvement, but it still was not as good as I’d expected it to be. Plus the women are so full of feminist bullshit, its laughable.

Mabye R is doing well with them as the women are similar in nature to him in NYC, being only after a quick fuck. The only issue is, he would get bored of them again because there is little femininity there. Plus it’s expensive. If poland is getting worse, it could be a temporary effect, but if he went to a different Euro country, I’m sure he could find better women. In any case, even if he did find it was for him, not every other guy would agree that NYC is that great after having lived there, and certainly I feel there are so many other cities that are much better than NYC or London. They really are over-hyped places with the least normal women you can find, where the best features are DTF and the fact that the women in such places are more attractive than most places in general, short of university campuses etc..

Awesome Possum
Awesome Possum
5 years ago
Reply to  Alistair

You obviously haven’t lived in NY.

Eric
Eric
5 years ago

Roosh, I’d be curious to see your ‘current’ take on Miami, and Vegas. Places known for having access to high quality women, but better cost of living than NYC – at least for real estate.

ExCanadian
ExCanadian
5 years ago

Meanwhile, Canada is only getting worse by the day…

Just read THIS profile of a Canadian whale of a woman:

http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=92266990

And READ THE HEADLINE:

” shyd67: Where are all the good men??”

Fucking ugly like Hell morbidly obese whale of a Canadian women is wondering where all the good men are and why they are NOT giving het much attention!!!

Canada is definitely at a DEFCOCK 1 stage now.

http://pics1.pof.com/dating/1124/52/8/2693afb03-d5f2-4c25-ba8d-5b156c679ef4.jpg

http://pics1.pof.com/dating/1124/54/75/227fbc36d-f43e-499a-b903-c2ee73f1c874.jpg

dilettante
dilettante
5 years ago
Reply to  ExCanadian

MEDIC! I NEED EYEBLEACH!

TyKo Steamboat
TyKo Steamboat
5 years ago
Reply to  ExCanadian

You hate your home country .. .we got it….

66Scorpio
66Scorpio
5 years ago
Reply to  ExCanadian

Good grief, POF is such a waste of bandwidth. Use OKC is you are in any civilized city. Toronto and Vancouver are kind of hit or miss; full of 5’s 6’s and 7’s. I think the yellow fever has finally set in: the only girls in my match list that actually look good to me are the Asian ones.

66Scorpio
66Scorpio
5 years ago
Reply to  ExCanadian

I am from Toronto and now in China.
Where are you ex from and to?

ExCanadian
ExCanadian
5 years ago
Reply to  66Scorpio

1. From Toronto.
2. Been living in Russia and Ukraine for 6+ years now and never looked back or regretted my move!
3. Every self respecting North American male should get sporty and educated, learn a trade and a foreign language, save some money and leave North America behind for good!
4. Toronto and Canada are definitely at DEFCOCK 1 stage now.

66Scorpio
66Scorpio
5 years ago
Reply to  ExCanadian

North Americans tend to be stupid fucks who won’t learn another language unless they are born into it, like Spanish or whatever. I am really busting my balls to get with the Mandarin but more lazy cocksuckers should go for Dutch, German, French or Spanish (in order from easy to somewhat hard).
.
There is such an emphasis on lifting weights but very little on cultural development.

ExCanadian
ExCanadian
5 years ago
Reply to  66Scorpio

Sports should ALWAYS come with intellect. There is no way around it.

Clark Kent
Clark Kent
5 years ago
Reply to  ExCanadian

The broads here are shameless and delusional.

Der Mac
Der Mac
5 years ago
Reply to  ExCanadian

Why get so upset about her problem?

ExCanadian
ExCanadian
5 years ago
Reply to  Der Mac

It ain’t HER problem! She ain’t got NO problem since she’s openly asking ” shyd67: Where are all the good men??” !!!!!
A fucking ugly morbidly obese whale of a woman is wondering where all the good men are!!!!!!! She doesn’t want to change a shit in her appearance, her attitude and visions of life/things/people around her!
But she wants all the good men to line up ready to tease and please her to the max without EVER asking HER to give anything back in form of attitude change, working out on her body or her mind or getting some style.
She ain’t got NO problem, but Canadian pussified males sure got a lot of problems if they tolerate such kind of an attitude from such kind of a “whale-female”.

Der Mac
Der Mac
5 years ago
Reply to  ExCanadian

Yeah, okay… Good luck with that, but I’m not so sure your heart is going to be able to keep up for too long.

Hipstersstink
Hipstersstink
5 years ago

NYC does that to most men I know. It’s a great place to visit, but I know I can’t live there. It’s not so much the cost of living for me, as I live in London, it’s more the general “city that never sleeps” vibe.

I was there for half a year. It is like an adult amusement park. Women there are always approachable and ready for action. I would get sucked in and it wouldn’t be good for my long term prospects. Great place to visit with a buddy or two, or on a solo mission. Best place in the world in that respect in my mind. My two cents.

66Scorpio
66Scorpio
5 years ago
Reply to  Hipstersstink

I heard the rent in London is totally insane.

Hipstersstink
Hipstersstink
5 years ago
Reply to  66Scorpio

Yeah it is, hence why I can’t knock NYC for the cost of living. At least in London I can escape to a foreign land easily. Not as easy to do on a weekend from NYC. Plus, it’s not as 24 hours and hectic as NYC and more flavours are available. women in NYC are more approachable but you’re still dealing with largely American women.

66Scorpio
66Scorpio
5 years ago
Reply to  Hipstersstink

An hour through the chunnel and BOOM, you are in France. The best you can do from NYC is go to Montreal.

Pantheon Dweller
5 years ago

It’s worth a try Roosh, you’ve been in Eastern Europe for quite some time, maybe NYC will please you on the long-term too. If you decided to stay there, I’m sure you could find ways to get more income from RoK and Reaxxion.

What more could one hope for? NYC without the corporate grind !

Jay
Jay
5 years ago

Roosh what if you had couple of millions in bank account what would be your typical day in New York where would you go and how and how much you would spend, I read that article and still don’t get where you spend all that money? Buying expensive drinks in clubs? What else?

getthebigones
getthebigones
5 years ago

Your ego is a positive influence to counter any negative thinking that you may be bombarded with.

Jack
Jack
5 years ago

I honestly think NYC sucks. I mean , Manhattan is alright but the other boroughs are dumps. The weather sucks. The people are rude. The bridge and tunnel crowd gets nauseating. I mean I could live in mid-town if I had to, but the rest of the state, is a craphole. Brooklyn? Who wants to live there? Staten Island…complete sess pool. You wan tot see how how women, take yourself to Vegas or So Cal. I was in Vegas this weekend and the talent walking through the Wynn on a Thursday and Saturday night was mind blowing. I think LA gets a real bad rap. For the same price of living in Manhattan, you can live in Manhattan Beach in Cali. What would you rather do…wake up to the ocean or wake up to the lower east side? NYC is way over hyped.

PrepZ
PrepZ
5 years ago
Reply to  Jack

See, this is my impression too. Having only been to Queens and Manhattan, I thought the place was a shithole. Sure there are some “nice” places in Manhattan that make it alright. But for the money I’d rather go back to LA and San Diego and parts in between. At least you’ve got great weather, and shit to look at and shit to do when you’re tired of gaming plastic barbie dolls.

seth datta
seth datta
5 years ago
Reply to  PrepZ

Manhattan women = average for the most part.
Lived there 6 months.
Completely unimpressed compared to europe.

plus, too many c*nts who care about the money you have in your wallet. The worst offenders of this type are women who are feminist and are 5’s, but feel entitled to all sorts of shit. I laughed, as there are much hotter women willing to please for next-to-nothing in so many other parts of the world.

PrepZ
PrepZ
5 years ago
Reply to  seth datta

Whew. Good to know because I really wan’t keen on setting up shop in NYC, which I still think is a shithole.

66Scorpio
66Scorpio
5 years ago
Reply to  Jack

In Manhattan the narrow streets and tall buildings give me claustrophobia. The only other place I experienced that was Hong Kong. Otherwise, I generally like big cities. I never visited the other boroughs but I would not be surprised if they blow big chunks.

BJ
BJ
5 years ago
Reply to  Jack

As a foreigner, I agree. Pulling attractive women in So Cal and Vegas was like shooting fish in a barrel. The talent in San Fran was horrendous though… woof!

anon
anon
5 years ago

Aha, polish people actually work just as long/hard as New Yorkers if not longer. Hours per annum:

1 918 – Poland

2 237 – Mexico

1 788 – USA

1 388 – Germany

http://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS

You just don’t see it because you’re an average thinker surrounded by the dumbest people on the Internet lol.

Rick SK
Rick SK
5 years ago

Living a low stress life is worth it’s weight in gold. 🙂

TyKo Steamboat
TyKo Steamboat
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick SK

well said

66Scorpio
66Scorpio
5 years ago
Reply to  Rick SK

Teaching in China is way better than being a lawyer in Vancouver.

Rico Suave
Rico Suave
5 years ago

I’m from Atlanta but live in NYC now, an let me tell you New York is a great place to meet beautiful women. Funny thing is i never really had much luck in ATL sure i had a few gfs an one night stands, but in NYC the women seem more sociable even with a smartphone in their hand. I live close to Chinatown an even the women there are very approachable an incredibly beautiful by the way.

Chris
Chris
5 years ago
Reply to  Rico Suave

Atlanta is now a city of ballers. The traffic is so bad you need to live in specific, expensive areas of the city to be able to pipeline poon.
The night clubs turned to shit because demand for VIP floorspace. Some clubs. are now more VIP than regular area. If you don’t have the money to hold court there, you have to hit the bars.
That being said, living anywhere else is relatively cheap and a great place to accumulate wealth. It’s just Your sex game will stagnate if you aren’t appealing on tinder. Or, know which bars to hit and when or else face a horrific ratio.

Rico Suave
Rico Suave
5 years ago
Reply to  Chris

Exactly I was there in Feb visiting family, an the scene was pretty much dead compared to the vibe in NYC. I don’t know if your familiar with Lenox Mall, but that was to me the main place for pickups especially during the day an Fri an Sat nights.