5 Observations From My 2015 Visit To Ukraine

With the recent conflict in Ukraine, spurred on by US government involvement, it appears that one of the more consistent poosy paradises for Western men is on a definite geopolitical decline. Here are five things I noticed after spending one week in Kiev this spring:

1. Western ideas are starting to infect the minds of Ukrainians

While still at a low level, you’re starting to hear more buzz words from the government and cultural elite about “equality,” “openness,” and “opportunity.” Even though there is more nationalism in the sense that people firmly believe in the Ukrainian nation, Ukrainians are buying into the degenerate cultural package that Brussels and Washington are selling. To be like the successful countries of Western Europe, they are told, a good start is to let homosexuals parade on the streets, which happened over the summer.

Oligarch Petro Poroshenko’s support of homosexuals was the first time ever that a Ukrainian leader openly endorsed butt sex. It’s no surprise that he has unwavering support from the US State Department.

2. Women don’t want to live in Ukraine

The great exodus of Ukrainian women has accelerated. Unlike my previous trips, women are no longer playing coy about wanting to live in the West, and are stating it quickly after you meet them. I can see this firsthand in Poland, which has a steady influx of Ukrainians. In no uncertain terms, Ukraine is a failed state that does not have the confidence of its young people, particularly women, and they will now eager seek relationships with foreign men who hold the olive branch of getting them out.

In the past, you would have to “sell” to most women that you like Ukraine and want to stay in order to get into relationships with them, but now that will actually hurt you, because what deranged soul would want to stay in a collapsing nation? The optimum game has become saying that you don’t like Ukraine and can’t wait to return to your comfortable middle-class Western home, one that needs a good woman.

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3. Women still want long-term relationships

By default, Ukrainian women want long-term relationships. You can of course extract easy sex from the more promiscuous class of Ukrainian women, but going to Ukraine for easy sex is the same as going to America to find a wife—it’s possible but a foolish choice. If you’re horny and want sex, go to Poland instead, where the quality is lower but the women are faster. For relationships and marriage, Ukraine is a better bet. Looking back, it was silly of me to go to Ukraine while I was still in my humping phase.

4. Women don’t want an office career

The job market is so hopeless in Ukraine, with practically no chance of upward social mobility, that you won’t find any girl who tells you her dream is establishing a “career” for several years before finding a husband. Girls go to school because there isn’t anything else to do or just to buy time, because they know that their main asset is their womb. This is quite refreshing because Poland is stock full of ambitious women who will dedicate over a decade of their lives to push paper for a corporation instead of finding out how to develop themselves in a way that serves men. The masculinization of Polish women is frightening indeed.

5. The worst Ukrainian girls go to nightclubs

One of the reasons that my first trip to Ukraine wasn’t as good as the subsequent trips is that I initially focused almost exclusively on meeting women in clubs. What I didn’t realize then that I do now is that only a certain type of Ukrainian woman goes to clubs. This is obvious after realizing how few clubs per capita there are in Ukraine compared to Western cities.

For example, the city of Kharkov has a city population similar to Washington DC but less than 5% the number of nightlife venues. This tells you that the far majority of Ukrainian girls don’t even go out at night. It’s not something they experience outside of random birthday parties, and when they do, it’s definitely not meet a random cock to take home.

If you want to meet a decent Ukrainian girl, don’t go to nightclubs. You meet only a certain type of girl that clouds your judgement on them as a whole. You should instead try to meet girls through social or professional circles.

Even day game, which works in Ukraine, still selects for a certain type of girl, because the culture there is such that meeting a random guy off the street is simply not normal. It’s no surprise that the type of Ukrainian girls that Western men meet through day game are often the ones who like to go out at night, travel, talk to foreign men, and so on. That said, day game in Ukraine is still a fine way to meet a great girl, but the more integrated you are into a social circle there, the better woman you’ll get.

What lies for the future of Ukraine?

It’s clear that Ukraine, as it exists today, can not survive without USA money and support. The separatists in the East control big chunks of important industry and the economy has essentially ground to a halt. Smart Ukrainians are looking for the exits and only those in the Western part of the country, seduced by the idea of Ukrainian patriotism (and power), think there is any hope for the future. Once the incompetent political elite in the USA is finished destroying Ukraine like it has done to so many countries in the Middle East, there won’t be much left.

Ukraine was never a comfortable place to live, but now it’s pretty tough, and no one there will understand why you choose to spend time there. You’d have to straight-up be an oddball to want to stay in the shithole that Ukraine is becoming just to get laid, and telling a girl that you “love” Ukraine just won’t be believed anymore. That said, it’s easier now than ever for you to pluck a Ukrainian beauty and get her out of there, but of course that leaves a big question mark for what could happen if you bring her into the West, where her diabolical Slavic genes could be switched on to your detriment.

Unless you are looking for a serious relationship, I can’t think of a reason to spend much time in Ukraine. It’s not stable, the women are leaving in droves, and it’s just not a pleasant place to live (as if it ever was). With talk that within a year or two Ukrainians will join the Muslim invaders in being allowed visa-free travel to anywhere in Europe, that means that glory days of going to Ukraine for some fun is coming to an end.

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KermitTheeFrog777
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One of my biggest motivators is knowing there are still places in the west with normal girls. Stop ruining my mojo Roosh…

But who else is going to give us such valuable ground-level info. Keep it up.

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Ukraine, the West ?

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Centuries ago it used to be a front line outpost of the Polish-Lithuanian United Kingdom, where a lot of wars with the Turks and Russians were fought. So yeah, culturally it still counts as part of the Latin civilization, AKA “the West”.

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Only the western(and some central) parts though

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Well Roosh has a habit of humiliating himself sometimes. Watch this video of him getting rightfully eviscerated by the Drunken Peasants….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t43LZ2-x6dY

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You’re the only one that got eviscerated faggot. And those fat ass dungeons and dragons nerds themselves.

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Dumbass I was pointing out that Roosh got his flaws. If you want to lick Roosh’ s anus then go right ahead. You ignorant schmuck son of a cheap whore

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Jumping into this late, but this is one of Roosh’s best and most hilarious videos and also thought provoking about how one needs to deal with body languages and approaches not just in meeting girls but also people in general.

Social advise is usually given something like “Just be confident and when you’re confident then people will like you making you even more confident” but that’s a catch-22. Roosh comes across as a normal guy with his flaws. I don’t see too many videos where he’s been a perfect person.

In the meantime, two losers just yelling over his video makes them look like even bigger losers. I don’t know who they are and don’t care. They have nothing useful or even interesting to say.

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So let me get it straight: Ukraine

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What I didn’t realize then that I do now is that only a certain type of
Ukrainian woman goes to clubs. This is obvious after realizing how few
clubs per capita there are in Ukraine compared to Western cities.

That’s also true in Poland, though slutterati are a much larger percentage there.

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Haha. Roosh talks about being in a “humping phase” and you’re calling random girls sluts?

Put it away, Roosh. No one likes that ugly diseased thing of yours (your MRA mind. Or your dick.)

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Men who sleep with alot of women are studs and looked up at by both men and women, women who sleep around are looked down upon, no amount of feminist spin will change that.

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You see, you just regurgitate this little piece of misogynist culture (slut shaming) and you think it’s “truth”.

It’s mere opinion, and no account of repetition actually makes it true. Women are not elevated by being virgins, we are not debased by having experiences.

It’s your MRA self hatred, your disgust over your seminal fluid, that thinks exposure to it ruins someone, and I admit, your DNA, and Roosh’s, is quite obviously tainted. Otherwise you wouldn’t have such ugly small narrow minds.

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Oh no, I actively encourage you to slut it up as much as possible. Drink deep of the cool-aid, wisdom, comes to all at last.

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You don’t get it, do you…. YOU don’t get to say what anyone else should do, ever, because you have a twisted little hateful misogynist, anti-sex mindset.

Women are simply woman, and our value is not based on you, or your pathetic MRA cultural garbage, in the slightest. Our value, like men’s, is based on our ethics, how well we treat others, self improvement, etc, not whether we have taken 0 lovers or 20. So long as we have treated them all honestly, decently, etc, we are no more “sluts” than men are.

I see no reason to believe that any of you MRAs treat women well. All your article are about tricking us into sleeping with you, leading us on etc. That makes you assholes, dicks, pigs, etc. Great thing to be proud of. You tricked someone. Great job.

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Oh but you get to tell other people what to do because you are a joyful loving well adjusted woman. I’m sure you poop rainbows. I should have you arrested for hate-speech, you seem to be frothing from the mouth and I think you’ve triggered at least 4 people who had to read your comment. If your father had spanked you a little more when you were younger you might have come out all right.

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I’m not telling anyone what to do.
But, I am a woman who disagrees with you, and so clearly more violence should have been heaped on my person.

Spoken like a true misogynist MRA. Go on out and try to be all humpy, like your great cockman Roosh. You really love to think about him humping all those sluts, don’t you… Fap fap fap…oh roosh,oh roosh, you really know how to treat those women like the sluts they are. Fap fap.

Go fuck yourself. No one else will ever want to you sad pathetic boy.

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All of your actions literally scream “I’m spoiled” . But like I say I encourage you to fuck as many guys as possible, I mean realistically none of them will actually marry you.

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I’ll go on a limb and say that, I agree that both women, AND men should keep their partner counts as low as possible (ideally both should be virgins, and only have sex with each other for life).

Which that said, realistically that’s not going to happen. But promiscuity definitely hurts women wayyyyyy more than it does guys. We can have sex for sex’s sake. Women are told they can as well, but really they can’t. Every relationship I have had started as FWB, but after a month or 2, the girl admits she wants more, and bam, I’m in a relationship.

So the women who think they can do it are just fooling themselves. It hurts guys too, but we can weather it better than you.

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You obviously don’t know jack squat about the true predatory nature of women that comes out as they get older and child-bearing puts the man in the position of host for her infection and any goddamned thing she wants in the West. You are still in the dream state where you think men and women can be equals with zero repercussions. Dream on.

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My comment was means to be “the ideal”. Doesn’t mean I actually believe that’s how things are, or that they ever were that way. There was a period in time were this did exist though, and it was thanks for the fear of religion.

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Bravo girl!

Hugo
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Youre typical of your gender. Somehow due to our current female entitlement society and the pervasivenes of manginas, you actually think your opinion matters. It doesn’t. Men allow you to exist. Never lose sight of that.

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Haha. We’re the ones that push you out of our vaginas as helpless mewling little asshats.

I think WE’RE the ones who let YOU survive. Never forget that.

Men are awesome. MRAs are pieces of shit.

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Nope. Once again it went over your head. Men give you power or take it away. Its that simple.

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This seems like an arbitrage opportunity where western men can pull Ukrainians out of Ukraine to the US or Canada, on their dime, in hopes that they will win the US lotto — green card, citizenship, work, marriage, etc.

If I were going to stick around here, I’d setup up a PR company that needs E European women. I can import them on whichever visa gets them here. I’d pimp them out on promotional model gigs, photo shoots, public appearances, etc. to generate some income from the work of bringing them here. They’d have their shot at the “Amercian dream”, some freedom, and escape from war.

Of course, they’ll be independent contractors for me. But once here will find other employment to support themselves. As employs of my firm, my girls would be obligated to accompany me to a number of social functions and venues where they’re my angels for the eve. They’d have to “work” per my requirements or face going back. I’d have authority over my girls and power to send them back anytime one of them gets out of line, gets involved with other guys, gets in trouble, or just stops working hard to keep up appearances. I could take my time and have the pick of the liter when it comes to relationships. I could rotate girls in and out of the company. I think you get the picture.

So, in short, there is great opportunity in this turmoil to import young, beautiful Ukrainians into the country for my benefit while giving them a glimmer of hope of something better than living in another war-torn shithole created by US. This is one problem worthy of solving.

Now, how does one get word out of such opportunites in Ukraine? Any ideas Roosh?

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That’s assuming US itself doesn’t become another war-torn shithole.

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It already is. We’re just not at the point of guns and bullets yet. However the powers-to-be are waging war against us every day in every other way. Anytime I try to exercise ANY freedom I’m supposed to have, there’s big brother guberment spying on me, monitoring me, licensing me, restricting me, and making my activities criminal. Everyting in this country is framed in the context of war: War on Drugs, War on Poverty, War on Women, War on (fill in the blank).

The bombs and bullets are coming in our lifetime, if not much sooner.

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The US loves war. It’s virtually all it knows.

War is coming to the West, fast and hard. I’d be very surprised if the West makes it another 10 years without full-blown conflict.

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It will. Because of an inside out invasion by muslims brought to you by retarded fucking liberals who just don’t fucking get the depth of their own infantile stupidity and malice.

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The useful idiots are often the first group to get lined up against the wall by the very people they support once power is consolidated. Communist history demonstrates that rather clearly.

Natural selection is a ruthless bitch.

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Hey, there’s always hope, right?

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Hey man, I’m in Ukraine and I got all the talent right here. If you’re serious about setting up some sort of international agency, let me know.

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As a
European many people thing I am brainwashed by the doctrine of the European
Union (by the way an indoctrination most Europeans are subject nowadays – I can
understand that). I am an Austrian and the western parts of Ukraine had been
part of the Austrian-Hungarian-Impire for centuries. There hase been a saying
that the most beautifil und most feminine women were coming from there. Well,
living in Vienna and making a lot of exeriences with ukrainian, polish and
ukrainian women I only can give testimony to that. The scum of women you find
in western Europe is the result of artificial brainwashing, not of the nature
of women – women are great by nature, but being natural is not allowed to women
in the western, degenerated, world. So they have to act like well trained
puppies insted of being true to themselves. But there is hope for nature always
wins in the end.

problem at
all. From http://freedompowerandwealth.com

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The scum all over the world is a result of mainstream media created artificial brainwashing. Modern societies need sheeple who’ll obey every order they are given and be the puppets controlled by the Master (State).

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i arrived in ukraine about 15 years ago, learned russian, and stayed for a few years. lived in a third-tier city of about 200,000 people. once i got conversational in the language and got used to the culture, it was essentially paradise. long, lazy summer days out at the dacha with my girlfriend’s family, swimming in the river, barbecuing, furtively making love to her at night while the family slept in the other room. the winters were brutal, but we had each other to keep warm. lived very comfortably on $300 a month for both of us. i don’t drink and i’ve always hated nightclubs, so i hung out with a local english-language club (they really appreciated having an american) and with a church of christ youth group. great, friendly people who respected me for being an american who bothered to learn their language. it was probably the happiest time of my life, and i still often miss it.

i was planning on heading back there a few years ago, before i met my wife while working in central america. my plan was to go to yoga classes, volunteer, and maybe go to that english club again if it was still around. those would all be good ways to meet a good ukrainian girl. that said, yeah, definitely think at least twice before bringing her back to north america. that often doesn’t work out so well.

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Are you married to a Latina from Central America or Ukrainian?

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latina from central america. generally better wife material than your average russian or ukrainian woman, in my opinion.

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Good for you Sir!
That’s what I am trying to decide for myself since I want to have at least 2 children by the time I am in my mid to late 40s. I have been to Central and South America before and was treated like a man! From an aesthetic point of view, I am pretty much attracted to both types equally, for example Colombia and Russia. So in the long run I’m going to have to consider other desired feminine qualities…

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Things change in such a short amount of time…

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Why go to Ukraine?

Russia is so much better.

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What is the reception of Russian-speaking Anglosphereans in Russia?

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Frankly you are better off speaking English. A girl who refuses to date foreigners will not care if you speak Russian or not, and she will not necessarily be better or even purer than one who is at least emotionally open to it. In the big cities, English is not uncommon, and will elevate your value. It won’t be the determining factor, but speaking English your value goes up, qualifying to her in broken Russian will make your value go down.

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Russia is a pain in the ass to get into for a Yankee & much more expensive than Ukraine.

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I am starting to think that.
Even the better Ukrainian girls I meet don’t try to shove that pro-western Kyiv shit down my throat.
They encourage me to learn Russian nor do they try to shame me for having a sex drive or a penis!
They celebrate my masculinity.

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Man oh man! SPOT ON, Roosh!! SPOT ON!!!! I’m writing from Ukraine right now and can confirm every word written above! Every fucking word!!!!
1. Western ideas about political correctness, equality, quota hiring, gay/lesbian right and similar shit are spreading in Ukraine very very fast!! Ukrainians believe that simply accepting those brainwashing ideas will turn them into prosperous Europeans overnight making them educated professionals with a good salary.
In fact Ukrainians are severely lacking any education. Even university graduates possess no skills and knowledge. Those who only finish high school are plain neandethals unable to compile and meaningful story if given 10 sentences.
2. Millions of Ukrainians dream about leaving Ukraine for good. Every year over 1 million of Ukrainians participate in US Green Card lottery! Thousands of Ukrainians go to Europe and work/stay there illegally, many do so for years and years without ever leaving the territory of the European Union.
Ukraine is indeed a failed state with absolutely NO future.
3. Yes, true again! Ukrainian women are still good for those men who want a long term relationship or solid marriage.
4. It’s simply impossible to make ANY career in Ukraine. An average Ukrainian salary is about 120$ per month . People are surviving here and definitely NOT living the life.
5. TOTALLY true about the quality of girls who frequent night clubs in Ukraine.
6. Ukraine ain’t got no future at all! People even with minimal skills and knowledge will leave it rather sooner than later. And nobody would want to deal with uneducated scum which will remain in the country after all normal people are gone.
I do recommend Russia for those who want to get themselves a good and loving wife and normal life.
Ukraine is done like a dinner.
Feel free to ask me any questions if y’all happen to have them.

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Q: So an outsider like myself, a man of means, can travel to Kiev or Odessa, or perhaps a smaller hamlet, and not meet/date and pull girls with the hopes of coming back with me to the US? As long as I can avoid the fighting with relative safety, why would this not work? I would think American men who can spend a couple of months there should be able to take advantage of the opportunity you describe. And, the trouble there should cockblock a lot of casual players.

Your thoughts? BTW, “FormrCanadian” what/when/why?

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Thanks for asking.
You sure CAN come to Ukraine and get girls interested with “the hopes to come to USA one day”. It’s still possible.
But only if you want to get laid short term:) And I also have a feeling that you’ll be slightly disappointed with the quality of Ukrainian girls these days, it’s going down and fast.

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Thanks for the input. I’m pretty disappointed with the quality of women in general. The malaise of the feminism is a pandemic without remedy. So that alone wouldn’t stop me unless Ukrainian girls are generally worse than their American/Canadian counterparts.

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I think too that at this point that any Ukraine that sees an American man in Kiev they will assume he’s pussy mongering simply because the country is such s shit hole there is nothing that could bring any male tourist there aside from the T&A.

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Its not a shit hole. Far more livable than people realize. I would live there for a couple years.

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i lived in ukraine for a few years in the earlier part of the previous decade. i didn’t like it much at first, but after a year or so when i was conversational in russian and had figured out how to avoid the less pleasant aspects of ukrainian life, it was great. possibly the best time of my life, actually. were i still a single man, i would probably be back there right now.

i think guys who say ukraine is a hellhole where no one would want to live usually don’t speak russian and are basing their opinion on a few weeks there, which is understandable. it’s not a place you can really appreciate on a short trip without knowing the language, like maybe italy or some tropical island with nice beaches.

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1. I do speak Russian.
2. I’ve been living in Ukraine for about 7 years now.
3. My wife is 50% Ukrainian.
4. Ukraine is still a shit hole with no future for any normal person be it a male or a female.
P.S. Ukraine even 10 years ago and Ukraine NOW are two different worlds.

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yeah, that’s probably true, about it being a lot different now. i’ve only been back once in the last ten years, and that was before euromaidan. i still loved it, but i imagine a lot of the drop off has been since then. i do have two american friends who are still living over there (one in kiev, one in lviv) and they seem to still dig it. better than living in north america, at least.

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Well said.

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I have a question: a while back I saw a few you tube videos of these ukraine white knight faggots setting up sting operations against guys who simply wanted to hire a chick to fuck him. These guys would show up to his hotel or apartment and drag him out, tear his clothes off and make him wear a sign that says “Stop Sex Tourism” or some shit and leave him on the highway naked. Are those fags still pulling that shit?

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You simply have to avoid any shady girls to avoid any shady guys behind them. Use common sense and you ain’t gonna get into n trouble. I think what you are describing is a thing of the past. It ain’t happening any longer

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So what’s your plan now? Are you going to stay or leave?

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What do you think Roosh means by the “diabolical Slavik genes”? How does that manifest in the behavior of Ukrainian women?

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I think that Roosh is the only person who has the right to say what exactly he means with that;)

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I think Roosh has never met a high quality ukrainian woman. His articles are funny but for teenagers or losers who want to get an easy sex without spending any $. )

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I am that stubborn bitch from Ukraine whom Wi Tu Lo is talking about. Woman as he has written he” took on a test run”. Whom he says every day how much he loves, wants to have family and children with. Whom he sends flowers with cards “i love you”. Exist on this forum any adequate people?

I am not an internet girl, it is first time i have made a decision to write a post in blog cuz i am fed up. I am attractive, young, confident woman who works. I am from an intelligent family, without bad habits, i work out almost every day and take care of myself, i have high family and life values, I am not a party girl. But how blind i have been I have fallen in love with this man who writes all this shit about me and who cheats on me during one year. Man who complains I was looking for him on tinder and social networks but he didn’t mention that he lied and told me that he doesn’t use tinder but I have found him there, yes i looked his phone and have seen there photos of women and chats with them!!!! Any sane person would not act in such way but he did. Will any sane woman accept it? Or any sane adequate man who tells he loves will cheat, be on all dating sites and forums? Man who tells he doesn’t call because he works but has time to write poems on forums about how he fucks other women. But after this he dares to say I am stubborn bad person, obsessed with money. Show me please a person who respects himself/herself who would accept such kind of attitude. More than that in his opinion it is not of my business that he fucks with others while I was devoted to him and trusted him during one year of relationship. I was so blind that i didn’t see it. He pretended so good. Man who demands from woman good attitude but is persuaded that women are objects for sex and cumbucket!!!!.

Most of articles are disgusting. Most of men here are misogynists. U are not happy people with lot of mental problems!

I feel terrible after read his post about how he fucks prostitutes, about Asian women, etc….. God!!

Man who has lied to me since we first met – first about his age, then about women but I was very loyal with him. Man who is 20 years older and he thinks maybe he will live forever.

He writes how he uses escort service and ready to pay to prostitutes 500-1000$ per nights but at the same time he writes I am obsessed with money? Most of you here write Ukrainians are crazy for money. Oh really??? I work hard and pay all my bills I never ask money from men. During one year i didn’t ask money from him any time!!!! He would rather pay $1000 to prostitute than to give money to woman who loved him. So who has problems??? Is this man’s logic?

If there is any mature and clever person on this forum? How do you think guys if man asks to move to live in his country should he take financial responsibility and give to the woman financial secure or u are all sick here? As I see most of users on this forum are men. Tell me please if I provide myself why i have to accept from a man disrespect or why i can’t expect that man will take a financial responsibility if he asks me to live with him in his country and wants me as a wife. Of course I expect man should provide me in the way i provide myself and even more. Mentally healthy men understand it. Mentally healthy men should offer to his woman comfortable conditions, mentally healthy men will accept woman with her family because the family is a part of her as woman accepts his family.

Men who write here about getting women in Ukrainian villages or in small Russian cities obviously can’t get a woman in their country and are looking for cheap options. They even can’t get a good woman in Ukraine or Russia. The reality is that in Ukraine and Russia even average level or not educated women are more or less nice. In your country in order to have a nice and really good woman for relationship you need to make a lot of efforts.

You talk here about women like about some goods that you buy on the market. You should not expect too much from women cuz u are a piece of shit (not all)! . You really don’t see our deep soul and positive sides. You write here about how we are crazy about money.

Are you not? Maybe you are more crazy. You realize very well that with American or European woman you have a risk to lose money in case of divorce. Unfortunately our women are not protected very well by law and you know it. You feel your power. But is it really the power or maybe a weakness?

If we are so bad don’t come here. Don’t dare to criticize us. If you don’t like our culture and our mentality it is not our problem, it is your problem. Find woman in your culture and be happy. Buy you also hate American women. U hate all women.

U come here to find an easy sex with naïve girls, here u are kings cuz for u everything is cheap here but in your countries u are nobody and I doubt that in ur country even woman of ur age will fuck with u. This is the reality. I am kind of woman who doesn’t dream to live in US, who doesn’t dream about European or American passport. Accept the reality men! Who does wait for you here???!!!!

More than that most of my women friends in

Ukraine and Russia have never been in relationship with foreigners and they don’t want. These women are educated, earn more than some of you guys. I very doubt that Roosh V who writes stupid articles have ever met good intelligent, educated, confident Ukrainian woman. If he tried to pick up one of my friends they would tell him “who are you? Fuck off!” Sorry saying this.

This American man that writes about me a crap knows that i don’t dream to have US passport. The only one reason why I even started to talk to him was – i thought he lives in Ukraine. But happened what happened.

I should meet Wi Tu Lo in a few days but as I see he would write here in blog that Ukrainian prostitute is with him and is happy to cook for him!!!! But in person he talks about children, that i have to quit in order to move there.

To fuck women over the world is not a big deal to love one woman is a major breakthrough!. What do you have in result? Spending time on forums to complain how women are and where is better to take a chick.

He tells me about how much he loves me and how strong team we can be, that he wants to have a family with me, that it is first time in his life he has such a strong feeling to the woman. Disgusting!

Guys answer the question why woman has to be with smb who doesn’t treat her well (doesn’t matter the nationality) or who doesn’t respect, cheats, is on dating sites or who thinks that all women want only money!!!!????? I respect myself!!! Only one reason why i was ready to move to live with him cuz i loved this bastard. Yes I am demanding, first of all i am demanding of myself. I can be loyal and kind, to give a lot of love but in the way of respect and good attitude to me.

Men are bad liars. I told him lot of times. If I keep silence it doesn’t mean i don’t know that he lies. He swore by the health of his mother he didn’t cheat on me. But he did! .

Unfortunately not enemies hurt us but people whom we love. Ppl whom we trust betray in a very cruel way.

I am sorry for u my dear. I am sorry for all men who hate women and think we need only money. You will never be happy cuz you don’t want to be happy. The Problem is not in women, problem is in u. If there is at least one person on this forum who is happy in marriage? If you had a bad experience with some women in your life it doesn’t mean all are bad. If women thought that all men are liars, cheaters, losers and want only sex……….?

What a shame!

Who says shit doesn’t respect other ppl, women, other cultures is a piece of shit and first of all doesn’t respect himself!

Wish u happiness guys and to appreciate each minute of ur life, appreciate ppl who love u, kindness in ur life.

Having a penis doesn’t mean to be a man.

Hope dear u will not have a heart attack that i know about this profile. Better do not play games with “diabolical Slavic genes”!!!!

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Thank you very much for your comment and valuable insight. I have been to both Russia and Ukraine, but I don’t live there, as you do, and don’t know/understand the nuances between them. So, I have some questions for you:

1. What do you think; will Ukraine be split in two, with the Catholic east gravitating the West, while Orthodox Ukraine gravitating towards Russia? Or will the frontlines be as they are today, with only a small part of Orthodox/Russian dominated Ukraine connected to Russia, while the rest is under Ukrainian control?

2. To me it seems that Ukrainians are less sophisticated/educated and well-mannered compared to Russians, and definitely compared to Baltic/St, Petersburg/Moscow Russians? Do you agree or were I only unlucky with my Ukrainian interactions regarding tons of scammers and rude people.

3. I like the Slavic culture, and as a Norwegian I find them closer to me than even Germans. However, unlike Russians, – the Ukrainians (especially those in the south) seemed to have a streak of Southern European culture, – squat toilets, corruption, scamming, less clean, lazy, but also more happy and easy going. What do you think?

4. Where would you go to find a sophisticated and loyal girl for marriage? Russia or Ukraine, and which area?

5. Ukraine has better climatic conditions, compared to Russia. Good agriculture and closer to the West, while Russian has great mountains and pretty much everything regarding nature and urban life. Do you agree and where would stay if you had to do so for the rest of your life?

6. On paper, Ukraine should have been in league with the Baltic states regarding economic development post USSR. Looks like the economists still are puzzled how Ukraine has crashed, despite educated population, homogeneous population, good industrial production and cluster (by Soviet standards), so what went wrong and when (if ever) will it be fixed?

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And here come the answers:
1. Nope, Ukraine ain’t gonna be split in two. Situation will remain “frozen” as it is right now with years and years of negotiations back and forth, mutual accusations and lacks of a real and stable solution.
2. Totally agree with what you wrote.
3. Totally agree, again!

4. I’d go to Russia, cities like Samara, Volgograd, Saratov, Khabarovsk, Vladivostok, Ekaterinburg, Novosibirsk, Tomsk.
Avoid Moscow and St. Petersburg.
5. I’d definitely stay in Russia for the rest of my life if I had to pick one country. Ukraine is a failed state and a doomed country.
6. There are several problems with Ukraine. People here are very uneducated and more importantly NOT willing to get better, to learn something new, to work on themselves.
People in Ukraine love to blame someone else for their OWN faults and setbacks. They can blame Russia, Russians, Putin, USA, evil Europe, Poland, aliens, androids, computerized robots. The list is endless.
Ukraine is very corrupted, uneducated and unwilling to change anything! It’ll NEVER be fixed! All normal people are leaving Ukraine in droves and those who’ll remain in the country will not possess required knowledge to promote/create any changes to the better.

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Thank you very much for your great answers. Ad 1, I believe you are totally right, and that will be a hellish situation.

I have, among other things, a military background, and due to changing political climate between Norway and Russia, that could give me problems getting a visa.

Would you say that eastern Ukraine is the next best thing to Russia, or are they in reality culturally and mentally more close to Ukraine than Russia, so it will never be a substitute for Russia? I know that the vast majority of them see themselves as Russians, but I am not sure that they are mentally like Russians, and for many Russians, – Ukrainian/Baltic/Azerbaijani etc, Russians are not REAL Russians. What do you think?

Or maybe Lviv is a good place with continental European culture combined with traditional morality from eastern Europe?

I have never been tried to be scammed anywhere in the world (maybe due to mil. background) EXCEPT for Ukraine. They did it openly and didn’t even care when I clearly understood the situation, they just kept on trying to scam. Rudest thing I have ever seen in my life. Even at the hotel, – and at the cafe at Kiev international airport they used classic red-light-district routines on me at the airport café o_O

Was this due to bad luck or is Ukraine the world’s top country for shameless scammers?

“very corrupted, uneducated and unwilling to change anything! It’ll NEVER be fixed!” – the Muslim trap and the future of multicultural Europe. Good grief.

But you are happy and happily married in Ukraine, right? And if so, how do you do manage to find happiness with all this gloominess on the Ukrainian macro level?

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1. My pleasure.
2. I do not envision any problems for you to get a Russian visa even with your military background. Too bad I ain’t in Russia right now, I could’ve helped you with a visa.

3. No, I wouldn’t say that Eastern Ukraine is close to Russia or the next best thing to it. It’s still more Ukraine than Russia and will remain so in any near future.
Mentally Russians and eastern Ukrainians are still very different and it’ll take generations to close the gap.
4. Never really liked Lviv and never will.

5. Scammers are very popular and wide spread in Ukraine. Scamming is a good way to make money without any major investments or education.
6. Europe is also done like a dinner. Every day about 1500 new refugees come to Sweden. EVERY damn day!!!

7. I’m happily married, BUT NOT HAPPY with the current situation in Ukraine thus our joint family decision to move outta here.
How do we manage to find happiness in all the gloominess around? We find it in ourselves, in our kids, in our evolving family, in our joint efforts to get better together.

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1. Thank you, AGAIN! grin

2. I hope so. But we always have periodically these visa wars with Russia. One dude from the Russian embassy expelled from Norway, and then Russians retaliate. Back and forth. Either directly or indirectly with making it harder for journalists/mil. personnel to enter Russia. But I believe you are right. After hearing that you are leaving Ukraine, and if I get a no-go from Russia, I seriously will sneak into Russia from Iran or Azerbaijan. Those borders are pretty porous grin

3. Same as the Russians told me. They said that since Ukrainians don’t read the Russian literary classics at school, they will not get sophisticated language and don’t have access to the deep literary thinking, which is a part of the Russian soul.

4. Ha, ha, I have never been there. So why don’t you like Lviv? I have heard that they have really beautiful architecture and more civilized than in the south (no squat toilets at the train station etc).

5. As a North European I absolutely HATE scammers, this is one of the few great things about contemporary Scandinavian culture, we still don’t have/like scammers (however, we are now flooded with muslims and gypsies, thanks to our stupid politicians/media/academia (commie bastards))

6. True. To top it all, we have insane progressiveness on steroids. Genetically our Scandinavian girls are some of the most beautiful in the world, but now, thanks to socialism/atheism/moral relativism/feminism, – they are a total disaster. Roosh was spot on in his ‘Don’t Bang Denmark’ book. Within a few months, in he managed to truly grasp and extract our Scandinavian culture, and our girls. Very impressive, indeed.

In my opinion, an average prostitute in Riga is more feminine, more prudent and a better mother than an average Norwegian girl.

7. WOW! That’s shocking! So your wife is Ukrainian (not Russian speaking Ukrainian) and you have your life/her family in Ukraine and you STILL want to move abroad? Then I seriously will think about ditching any plan of moving to Ukraine. The EU did a pretty good job cleaning up the Baltic states, getting rid of much of the black economy and corruption. You don’t believe the same thing will happen in Ukraine?

So where will you go? Maybe Turkey would be good for you, as you and your family speak Russian and there are tons of Russian tourists in Turkey? I hate Islam and truly hate the barbaric and genocidal Turkish history (smashing/exterminating the Byzantine Empire/culture, Armenian Genocide etc), but I really like Turks, at least in the Atatürk dominated areas. Despite my best efforts to dislike them, they always end up being so nice and friendly towards me, but I hear that they treat people they believe are Armenian/Chaldean/Assyrian/Greek tourists as shit.

But you as a Canadian/Ukrainian family should have no problems.

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1. Visa/diplomacy wars between Russia and Norway is nothing more than a political ploy designed for the mainstream media giving them opportunity to trump the chests of every country and claim a political victory on TV and in the newspapers. Average people usually ain’t affected by such shit.
Oh, and DO NOT try to sneak into Russia! you ain’t gonna gain nothing but will lose a lot.
2. The general level of education in Ukraine is very low, people are ignorant and indifferent to anything beyond their own shit holes while blaming everyone else for their own faults, setbacks and mistakes.
3. I’ve been to Lviv many time, it’s the Nazi capital of Ukraine. All the “architecture” is concentrated in a very small portion of downtown. And people are just the same as in the rest of Ukraine.

4. Scammers do exist all over the world, even in countries like Canada and USA.

5. I’m very familiar with the dating scene in Scandinavia. It has “Canada” written all over it. Or may be it’s Canada who has “Scandinavia” all over? Same shit though..

6. My wife is 50% Russian and 50% Ukrainian, she’s fluent in both languages as well.
Yes, we still absolutely WANT and WILL move away from Ukraine for our own future and the future of our kids.
No way we’ll be going to Turkey. Not our country.
But Russia or Mexico do sound nice.

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1. Yeah, I believe you are right. Sneaking into Russia may be hazardous.

2. Norwegian firms are outsourcing much of their math, physics etc to Russian firms, not just because they are much cheaper, but also better. So the STEM fields in Russia is i world class, but not so in Ukraine?

3. Yes, I heard Pravyi Sektor is strong in Lviv. With only a small part with great ancient architecture, then it is not so interesting.

4. For me it was strange to see how widespread scamming was in Ukraine and how blunt it was.

5. A newspaper compared quotes from Norway’s most popular teen magazine for girls and a porn magazine. It was impossible to discriminate between them.

6. So your wife is deep rooted in Ukraine, and still you want to move. That is not a good sign.

Turkey, for me, would be interesting in short term (1-3 years) due to all their historical sites. But not living under Muslim rule with a family. Unless as a suicidal Evangelical missionary perhaps…

Yeah, both Russia and Mexico sounds great. I believe you truly know what you are talking about. In many ways you seem to have far more knowledge about Europe than the vast majority of Europeans.

Thanks for your comments and good night smile

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1. I’ve traveled the world extensively and “sneaking” into any country would never be able to solve any problems.
2. I am not familiar with STEM cell researches but people in Russia in general are a lot better educated than folks in Ukraine. Too bad that Norway needs and takes in all kinds of 3rd world scum instead of educated whites from eastern Europe.

3. Pravyj Sektor is al over Ukraine. No place is immune to it.
4. Scamming is an easy and almost effortless way to make some good money;)

5. I ain’t familiar with Norway’s magazines for kids and for porn, but definitely not surprised with what you wrote.

6. My wife is indeed deep rooted in Ukraine and YES, we STILL WANT TO MOVE! Normal and educated people are leaving Ukraine in droves! We ain’t got nothing to do here now. It’s impossible to conduct any honest and fair business in a country with an average monthly wage hovering around 120$ US.

7. I know Russia and Mexico real well and love both countries. My wife and kids will gladly join me on such an adventure!
8. I do know a bit about Europe, true that!
By the way, snakkar du norsk?:) Du kan skriva nagot pa norska och jag vill forsta wink Ursakta mig men jag har inte skandinaviska tangenter pa mitt tangentbord:)

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“sneaking” into any country would never be able to solve any problems.

True, except for violent/criminal third world Muslims flooding Europe. They are granted citizenship and welfare for life, for them and their whole family/clan/village, as a thank you for sneaking into our countries. Case in point, Mullah Krekar is a a war criminal and violent jihadi, responsible for terrorism and beheadings in northern Iraq. He openly calls for jihad against Norwegians and a violent Muslim take-over. Nevertheless, as he might fear harsh interrogation methods in Iraq and might be given the death penalty (despite Iraqi officials being willing to guarantee no death penalty), he is automatically given permanent refugee status with all benefits in Norway, in full accordance with the (insane) “human rights” given to him by the retarded European Court of Human Rights. The well-being of ordinary Norwegian tax-payers is of zero interest for our socialist/multicultural overlord and the European Kangaroo Court of Human Rights.

But yes, for a white person sneaking into any country, it is a bad idea. For everyone else sneaking into a white country, it is a great idea.

Sorry for using an acronym and not being clearer; I meant Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) fields.

So I guess you and your wife are convinced that Ukraine will end up as a perpetual hell hole, like parts of mafia infested southern Italy (without the excellent food, sharp clothing, good weather and fantastic historical sites?).

Normally a country will gravitate towards its historical trend-line, so the Baltic states soon became Northern European style democracies and the former Soviet -stan countries turned into the usual corrupt/criminal third world Islamic hell holes.

So why didn’t Ukraine transform back to its former glory? Being part of the more advanced areas of Imperial Russia/Soviet Union?

Despite Ukrainian girls being slim and rarely have breast implants, I do believe they are (at least some of them) less curvy than their Polish and Russian sisters. What do you think?

The map of blondes, floating the internet is rubbish, in my opinion:
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Thanks to dark haired German and Spanish seamen coming to the Norwegian coast, buying fish, but then jump ship and marrying a Norwegian girl, the highest concentration of blondes in Norway is the eastern part (especially Oslo West, as our upper class is blonde) and a strip from Oslo to Kristiansand). Certainly not mid Norway.

Where are the highest concentration of blondes in Russian speaking areas, would you say? I would guess Belarus would be filled be blonds, due to both their geographical position and their name in Russian lol, but in my opinion that was not the case. What is your take on it?

Both the Economist and every informed guy I have talked to, says that the corruption in Russia is out of control and getting worse each year. Yet Russia have very good financial indicators (GDP, debt to GDP ratio etc) and even a former Russia basher, like Jim Rogers, is positive to investing in Russia. What is your take?

My view is that without the crippling corruption, Russia would soon become the greatest country in Europe, beating even Germany economically. While Europe will crash into a multicultural/Islamic hell hole with either one giant and many minor civil wars going on.

Maybe I could be a mountaineer guide in Russia for some time, that would be fun. Russia has really great mountains.

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Yes, we’ll be leaving Ukraine as soon as we can. Ain’t got nothing left to do here.
Baltic states are light years ahead of Ukraine in everything and primarily in education and understanding themselves as a nation.
Whereas Ukraine’s main problem is the fact that folks here are unable to admit their OWN mistakes, faults and setbacks and prefer to blame everything and everyone around them instead.

Honestly I’ve never really even thought who’s curvier;)) Russian, Polish people or Ukrainians;))

Blonds in Russia? I’d say anywhere starting from Volga river and eastward.

Corruption in Russia often happens under the table and it’s hard to understand the whole picture especially from Ukraine. I have to be in Russia in order to be more exact.

It’s possible for Russia to become ONE of the world leaders, BUT Russia absolutely HAS TO change its “culture” of economy, education, wages, workforce, get rid of corruption, bribes and all other shady affairs.

Mountaineer guide? WOW! I thought you were involved with some extreme stuff! Good shit, man!
Go to Sochi then! They have a lot of vacancies there and you’ll be a hot commodity since you speak several foreign languages.

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I talked to Ukrainian lawyers, economists etc before the upraising, and when I told them that corruption was the main problem and not mainly the politicians, they had no clue what I was talking about. Very strange. These intelligent people seriously believed that just kicking out the legally elected government and adopt some progressive gay friendly ideas, Ukraine would automatically transform into western Europe.

With Volga river, you mean westward, right?

Trust me dude, Polish and Russian girls are blessed with more curves. Ha, ha, ha, no – honestly, I don’t know. I just got that impression that there are a higher proportion of leptosome girls in Ukraine compared to Poland and Russia. But it could also be psychologically, that I was looking for confirmations of my hypothesis.

In my view, especially in the Crimea area. But maybe that was due to higher influx of less curvy Tatar girls? Or was it all in my head? o_O

Who knows grin

Yes, agree. With Russia compared to Germany, I meant Russia without crippling corruption and Germany with tons of dysfunctional Turks, Arabs and North-Africans.

You are right. Sochi is great. Russia has a fantastic nature with so much diverse landscape and climate.

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Even the top tier lawyers, economists and politicians in Ukraine are uneducated, indoctrinated and scared to admit the reality.
In fact admitting or daring to admit the reality is the major and insurmountable obstacle for all Ukrainians. They completely lack guts and will power to acknowledge own faults, mistakes and setbacks.
Ukrainians do not want to do shit in order to change their OWN lives, but want a magician to arrive in a silver Cadillac , wave his magic stick and change their lives to the better overnight.
NOPE! I mean Eastward from the Volga river!!!! Look at the map of Russia and let Volga river be your “border”.

Honestly I do not care about the curves so much, but I do care about the brains!

I do mean it! Go to Sochi, man! You are gonna love it!

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The vast majority of economists predicted that Ukraine would outperform all other Soviets after the fall of the Soviet Union, based solely on economic indicators. Strange to see Ukraine crash like that.

I not giving up trying to understand this! grin

NOPE! I mean Eastward from the Volga river!!!! Look at the map of Russia and let Volga river be your “border”.

adverb

1.

towards the east.

“limestone plateaux extend eastward towards the river”

noun

1.

the direction or region towards the east.

“the wind has come round to the eastward”

So you say that there are more blondes from the Volga river towards Vladivostok, right?

But then you exclude all non-ethnic Russian groups like Mongols and Tatars, right?

Feel free to call me ‘stupid’ grin

Hey, do you know this ‘anon’ guy? Do you know who he is? To me he seems to have only rudimentary and rather simplistic understanding of Russians.

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Again, Ukraine crashed because of laziness and ignorance of people who live here. They all expect everything to be given them on a silver platter without every needing to make even a minimal effort. The level of stupidity in modern Ukraine is sky high!
Yes, I do mean that there are more blondes in Russia if you go from Volga river to Vladivostok;)
And I have NO idea about who this “anon” guy is;)

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Hmmm & hmmm. Laziness and ignorance can be both used as a cause and symptom. The Baltic states have pretty much the same historical parameters, with Russian abuse, foreign abuse, east/west rift through their country, religious conflict etc. Russia and Ukraine is even much more closer culturally and historically than the Baltic states, so it is strange that the low-intensity civil war is happening in Ukraine and not i some Baltic state. On the contrary, in my view the Balts get on really well with the Russians, all circumstances considered.

More blondes from Volga river to Vladivostok grin

Well, THAT is a contrarian view. I have never been in east Russia, so I would not know, and everything else you have said has been spot on, so I will take it ad notam. According to our historian from the Viking times, Snorre Sturlason, we Scandinavians came from the east. So maybe there is a connection there?

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I still insist that the major problem with Ukraine is a complete lack of inner powers to be able to admit/acknowledge its own faults, setbacks and mistakes.
Ukrainians love to blame others for their own faults but never have enough guts to admit them.
YES, there way more blondes from Volga and eastward than in the European part of Russia. Try Novosibirsk, Vladivostok, Khabarovsk, Tomsk, Irkutsk, Omsk and you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

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I agree that you should insist that “the major problem with Ukraine is a complete lack of inner powers to be able to admit/acknowledge its own faults, setbacks and mistakes.”

However, if you go on level deeper, you can ask why this is the case, and why it did not happen in the Baltic states, and other Warsaw pact countries, with similar background and history. As these things are extremely complicated, I don’t believe it is possible to find the first cause/root cause to the problem, but I guess it is possible to go one layer down, possible two.

As Europe and Scandinavia is imploding, overrun by Turks, Arabs and North-Africans, I am strategically trying to find myself a blonde wife, to preserve. I don’t like to behave like a Nazi race-hygienic freak, but as the blonde genes are recessive, I hate even more to see my Nordic people gone. Scandinavian girls are brainwashed into thinking that not wishing to have sex/children with brown/black skinned studs are solely due to ugly racism and must be dealt with and something to overcome. I believe it is deeper and biologically that you want your children to look like yourself. That’s why I could marry an Arab girl, but never a negro. Even though many Christian black girls are truly devout Christians, and really great in every way. There is a biological barrier somewhere.

But ultimately, love will be the determining factor, and being a in place with a high blonde concentration of feminine Russian girls will help to push me in the right direction, if you see what I mean.

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Important note: If you really want to know WHY Ukraine has NO future and IS a failed state, then just read my discussion above with “ken” and “Julesvinnitsa”. I’m using some harsh comparisons there but they sure deserve it. These 2 people are picture perfect modern Ukrainians-stupid, brainwashed and at the same time always sure that they are always right!
Do you want to know the difference between Baltic states and Ukraine? I can tell you. People in the Baltic always wanted a better life BUT they always knew that “it takes an effort to live better” and it doesn’t happen overnight.
Whereas Ukrainians absolutely always want changes overnight and without the need to move the finger! They firmly believe in a magician who’ll arrive one day in a spaceship, wave his magic stick and give 1 000 000$ to everyone around.
Ukraine has had 2 Majdans (revolutions) in a span of 8 years resulting in a drastic worsening of living conditions, investment climate and economic development opportunities. Yet people in Ukraine keep blaming everyone else BUT themselves for their own stupidities and mistakes. Revolutions can never improve the country, ANY country, yet Ukrainians keep making the same mistake over and over again and then wonder WHY it’s only getting worse and not better.

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Yep, the two Ukrainian dudes pretty much confirmed all your bullet points about Ukrainians and why Ukraine crashed. Both funny and tragic at the same time.

The Balts are much more humble, polite, hard-working, methodical and with a good strive for excellence. Kind of an inverse version of the Ukrainians. At least some of them.

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I always say what I mean and what I see around. I ain’t politically correct and do not give a shit if I offend someone with my words. Truth shouldn’t be offensive to anyone. Unfortunately not many people are able to admit the truth.
Problem with Ukrainians is their complete lack of abilities to admit own faults, mistakes and setbacks.
They’ll continue blaming everyone but themselves. That’s in the genes now.
And they’ll also try and chase away anyone who dares to tell them the truth and who ain’t afraid to say what he/she means!

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Oh, regarding curves. I don’t mean super-curvy EE. I mean that they are not totally flat chested with hardly any hips at all.

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Oh, and another 1500 refugees have entered Sweden during the last 24 hours….

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Oh, and another 1500 refugees have entered Sweden during the last 24 hours….

What a tragedy… The death of our nations and culture, and we are even paying for it.

Fact is that in my bones I am a Norwegian patriot and normally would have a Norwegian girl, as the best there is.

http://www.artrenewal.org/pages/artwork.php?artworkid=41360

But now, I feel at home in Russia/Belarus/Baltic states etc, while I am a stranger who don’t understand the people among Scandinavians. Crazy times. Now, I would rather shoot myself than ending up with the average slutty beast of a Scandinavian progressive and ultra-masculine girl.

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I simply check the Swedish Invandrarverket for all the stats and details. They provide a daily update on the situation and the number of refugees coming to the country.
Ain’t nothing wrong with liking ladies from Russia, Belarus or Baltic states, man;) Too bad that feminism, political correctness, quota hiring and multiculturalism took over in Scandinavia.

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I would become seriously suicidal if I were digging into the immigration numbers on a regular basis.

Our problem in Scandinavia is that our sole interaction, trade and wars, have been with other Christian nations. We are not familiar with cultures based on an evil moral system, that they will not change. Russia is on the opposite side of the spectrum. They have pretty much always fought civilizational wars.

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All it takes is one minute to type in the web address and check the numbers. ;)) Easy deal.

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One week with daily immigration number crunching and I would shoot myself. Or go insane. Seriously.

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Ha, ha, ha, du skriver bra svensk! Dette var imponerende. Har du bodd lenge i Skandinavia eller vært sammen med Skandinaviske expats in en lengre periode?

Hva synes du om Skandinaviske jenter? Utseendemessig og personlighetsmessig?

Ha, ha, ha, dude, you speak Swedish. What are the odds. It was not that hard, right, going from English to Swedish, compared to English to Russian?

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Det tackar ja nog for;) Jag forstar allt vad du skriver har.
Jag hade nog chansen att leva I Sverige och darfor pratar och skirver jag lite svenska;)
De skandinaviska tjejerna ar ju ganska bra, det ar bara synd att dem tycker ju sa jaaavla mycket om feminismen och de andra politiskt korrekta saker och ting. Och nu talar jag om personligheten forst och framst.
Det skandinaviska utseendet ar mycket sexigt och vackert,, det ar inget fel med det:)
Yup, a lot easier to learn Swedish than Russian.
Jaaa, det var mycket lattare att lara svenska an ryska;)

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DUDE! You speak FLUENT Swedish with correct syntax and grammar and everything! In addition to Russian! Wow grin

Then you seriously must have tons of empirical data regarding Scandinavian girls. I found Roosh’s ‘Don’t Bang Denmark’ to be the most precise analysis of the (feminine) Scandinavian psychic ever written in contemporary Scandinavian literature. I was so impressed.

What about you? What is your take? Did you notice that Swedish girls are far more feminine than Norwegian girls? Only really good thing with Norwegian girls is that many of them are outdoorsy and go in the mountains/skiing very often, so these girls will stay fit and slim the rest of their lives, while, say, Italian beauties often will crash and burn in their early 30s.

Man, – can’t get over your monster Swedish skills. As a native English speaker and more than fluent in Swedish and Russian, you have some really good cards on your hand, in the game of life.

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Thanks for some nice words about my Swedish skills;)
Yeah, I’m one big mothafucker and know what good stuff is about;)

Roosh is soooooo right in his book “Do not bang Denmark”.

But I wouldn’t say that Swedish girls are more feminine than Norwegian ones. I even find Norwegian girls to be more open minded, sexier and with less inhibitions than Swedish.

Do not forget that I’m a professional instructor and kinda have to be able to speak several foreign languages!
Or at least that’s the way I see that. ;))

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If you are talking about Oslo girls, and more precisely Oslo Vest girls, then I agree.

However, the Swedish language is for us Norwegians very soft, feminine and melodic, plus we have all seen all the episodes of Malin in ‘Vi på Saltkråkan”.

Plus, my guess is that you have predominantly been in the greater Oslo area and not the rural areas of the West coast or northern parts of Norway. There you will find, in my opinion, the world’s least feminine girls, except perhaps for some hidden tribes in Amazon or central Africa.

No, you didn’t tell me that you are a professional instructor. Interesting. What is your area of expertise?

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Correct! My experience with Norway is limited to Oslo and Bergen;)
I’m real good myself in and I do teach watersports like swimming, SCUBA diving, snorkel.

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Well, THAT is a great combination. All these language skills and working as a water-sport instructor. I guess the line between swimming, SCUBA diving, snorkel as fun/hobby and “work” is pretty blurry, right?

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Correct! It’s like 2 in 1. A hobby/a passion for life and favorite work mixed together in one happy package;)

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I hope no investment banker ever, in front of his excel spreadsheet, read your comment. Suicide watch, could be next… wink

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If you really want to know WHY Ukraine has absolutely NO future just read my discussion above with “ken” and “Julesvinnitsa”. That’s a picture perfect example of people the failed state called Ukraine is populated with these days.

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Interesting… So after all this traveling throughout Europe, which countries would you say are top three in each category for:

1. Overall beauty

2. Breasts

3. Bottom

4. Femininity/softness

5. Sophistication

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1. Overall beauty (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus)

2. Breasts (Russia, Germany, Ukraine)

3. Bottom (Italy, Russia, Hungary)

4. Femininity/softness (Russia, Belarus, Ukraine)

5. Sophistication ( Russia, Czech republic, Austria)

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Interesting.. Thank you very much for your reply. I got all my opinions reinforced grin

So, would you maybe take in Spain on breasts instead of Ukraine? I have lived in Switzerland and they always looked down upon Austrians as farmers, despite Austria’s rich cultural history (Mozart, etc). But you are right, Vienna girls are very sophisticated,

I notice NO Scandinavian girls on your list, and sadly I have to agree. Our girls are beautiful genetically, but completely destroyed by feminism/socialism/atheism and insane unearned attention, due to their blonde hair, from Arabs, Turks, Italians, etc.

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I’m curious… If you’re Canadian, why don’t you simply move back to Canada with your family? Is there something awful about Canada that I’m not aware of?

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What if my wife does not want to go to Canada? wink
Moving back to Canada will be like getting out of one Nazi shit hole called Ukraine and back into another politically correct and brainwashed shit hole called Canada;)

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Do you live in Ukraine and call locat people are Nazi? Show me at least one. You are an asshole. Sorry saying this.

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Add on: we do NOT want to live in a country where having the right skin color, sexual orientation, gender, political correctness, affirmative action, quota hiring, tolerance and multiculturalism matters more than honesty, integrity, respect, knowledge, education, professional skills and abilities and general human dignity!
Canada is indeed such an upside down and inside out country!

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Sad, but true, Canada is becoming a Marxist “paradise” just like most of the Western countries. I still live here, but thinking of moving to Latin America.

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you are not happy with this situation in Ukraine because your wife is pro-russian. And you just listening hat she says.

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;))))))))))))))))))
I’m not happy with the situation in Ukraine cause I have my OWN eyes and brains and dare to call spade a spade.
It ain’t got nothing to do with someone being pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian.
And by the way I’m a lot more pro-Russian than my wife is;)

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If you are more pro-russian then your wife then tell me please why are you still in Ukraine?

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I’ve mentioned several times that we are about to leave Ukraine very soon. Next time pay more attention to what’s written before asking some stupid questions.

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You wrote that you was living about 5 years ( or even more ) in Ukraine. So it seems everything was ok and now everything is bad. Ukraine didnt change much. You just say the same things which pro-russian people say. You dont unerstand anything in the ukrainian past .Its very funny for me to read those things which your wife told you about Ukraine.
PS. Actually Im jewish, Odessa is my native city and I really dont want to see here such people like you and your wife. Please leave my country.

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I had the same feeling than ken about formrcanadian, you should go to Canada with your wife and start another life. Problems are everywhere now in Europe. We don’t need such people who are still complaining.

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How about YOU shut the fuck up and stop telling other people what they should or shouldn’t do?
Too bad that telling the truth equals complaining in Ukraine.
Your failed state ain’t going nowhere with an attitude like that.

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Im sure this Canadian guy and his wife wont leave but will continue complaining and to hate Ukraine.

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It’s been 7+ years in Ukraine.
Yes, it was OK before the Nazi Majdan in 2014 when everything changed to the worse pretty much overnight.
It has nothing to do with being pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian. It’s all about not being afraid to tell the truth. Guess truth ain’t popular in Nazi Ukraine, eh?;)
Before I tell you to fuck off just tell me which country do you live in NOW? Something is telling me that you are yet another Ukrainian “patriot” writing from USA, Canada, Germany or Israel. Am I right?;)
And one more thing- you do not want people like me and my wife in Ukraine? Oh really?;) Bet you’d never dare to repeat these words when facing me in real life.
And may be Germans were right after all when THEY did NOT want people of YOUR nationality in THEIR country in 1933-43? wink How are you different from those German Nazis, you, Ukrainian Nazi? wink Dare and care to reply?;)

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Yes, I often fly to Israel but i live now in both cities Odessa and Kiev. If ukrainian gouverment would be really nazi , believe me, you would sit in the concentration camp or prison together with your wife now.

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You seem to have a strange passion for prisons and concentration camps;)
Google the stats of how many people who oppose Ukrainian Nazi authorities are in prison right now. Start with Odessa for example.
I have a question for you-what do you think happened in Odessa on May 2, 2014? Your answer will tell me a lot about who you are.

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1) You completely dont understand how nazi ( or other types of totalitarism ) gouverment works. Do you want to know what I would do? Or maybe your neighbours? I would call to Ukrainian security centre and would tell them that i found 1 separatist in Odessa – your wife. After 30-40 minutes your wife would have talk with an interrogator somewhere in detention center. And a bit later she would be probably beaten ONLY BECAUSE OF HER OPINION. She didnt do anything bad but she said lots of lies about Ukraine – that’s ENAUGH for to go to the jail or even to be killed. Thats how nazi system works.
2 ) If those people would not been killed on May 2, 2014, Odessa would be in the same shit as Donetsk and Lugansk now. This city would be half destroyed by russian army. I dont wish such destiny to my native city. And i dont want to see war here.
3) By the way if oneday Russia will occupy Odessa your amazing pro-russian wife wont want to stay here. The most intressting that you both quickly will leave Ukraine. Pro-russian bandits would steal your business. Thats what they did with many businessmen in Donetsk. You should be thankful that on 2 may, 2014 those people were killed.

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Your answer is a picture perfect example of Ukrainian Nazism and that’s why:
1. What you described in paragraph #1 is happening NOW all over Ukraine! Ukrainian are world known snitchers and they’ll “report” anyone they do not like to police and security services.
And do not tell me that people are not getting arrested and beaten in Ukraine just for their OPINIONS! It’s happening every day and all over the country!
Too bad that in nowadays Ukraine telling the truth means “telling a lie” and that’s why we are leaving this godforsaken country.
2. So you support killings/burnings of 48 unarmed people in Odessa on May 2, 2014? Ain’t you Nazi then yourself?
As I’ve said it before-you seem to have a passion for concentrations camps, killings, burnings of those who dare to disagree and to have an own opinion. Are you really a Jew?? Did you forget what happened to your folks in 1930s-1940s in all those concentration camps?
3. So, I should be “thankful” that those UNARMED people were killed in Odessa by Ukrainian Nazis on May 2, 2014, eh? I hope that EuroDude707 gets a chance to read this message of yours for better understanding of the Ukrainian nature.
And again, you always blame Russians and Russia for your OWN faults and mistakes.
Ukraine ain’ got no future until y’all folks realize that YOU are to blame for all the problems and not Russia, Russians, Americans, EU, Poland, China or whoever else you might think is to blame.

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Just tell me, you , Ukrainian Nazi mothafucker, how this 22 y.o. girl was a danger to Ukraine?

http://cs540103.vk.me/v540103131/23e29/0bCBb1GFHpk.jpg
Do you have an answer, moron?

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I have seen all these heated discussions between Russians and Ukrainians, were everybody goes crazy.

But it is pretty astonishing to see such a comment being made

You should be thankful that on 2 may, 2014 those people were killed.

On a Western site, for a Western audience.

The honesty is admirable, though…

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Why then your wife ( and you ) are still not in detention center? lol

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Wow, dude, are you insane?

You should be thankful that on 2 may, 2014 those people were killed.

I understand your line of reasoning avoid, armed conflict and civil war with Russia.

However, if you truly wish to make sure that you get a horrible civil war, you just start to slaughter innocent civilians or just burn them alive, as happened in Odessa.

Short term, sure, things will calm down. But if your opinion is in any way common among Ukrainians, you surely will have the civil war you claim you want to avoid, on your hands.

And there is NO excuse for killing innocent civilians EVER!!

This would have been a war crime and the commanding officer in charge of something like that would have been shot.

This is the main reason why Europe and North-America are first world countries. Once you start to justify killing innocent civilians, there is no turning back. You WILL end up as a third world hell hole. Every normal person/international investor, will flee that country and never look back. The rest will be so morally corrupt/dysfunctional that nothing will really function in that country at all.

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Dude, grow up. USA gouverment killed many innocent people in Iraq. And? Its country #1 in the world.

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Sorry, your comment makes no logical sense whatsoever.

DoD just released a new Law of War manual. Please, educate yourself:

http://www.defense.gov/Portals/1/Documents/pubs/Law-of-War-Manual-June-2015.pdf

Maybe then you will understand that burning innocent people alive, like you do in Ukraine, can NEVER be justified and that unlawful combatants, hiding among civilians and use them as human shields, are war criminals and the ones responsible for civilian casualties, NOT the Americans.

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Do NOT expect any logical thinking from a Ukrainian. This country and its people are brainwashed to the limit and beyond. They live and die by the “Ukraine above all” slogan and will justify anything done with those words while singing their national anthem and blaming all others around them in their OWN problems.

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It’s strange to see the similarities with paralogical Muslim thinking:

“I support the burning of innocent people [insert any hideous human rights violation] , because America blah, blah [insert any insane and unfounded accusations against Americans]”

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Do you speak russian? I do! Clever people don’t need to be brainwhashed. If you watch russian channel – 1TV RUS or RTR you will understand what means to be brainwashed. Have you ever been in Russia exept Moscow or Saint- Petersburg? If not – welcome. Watch russian channels, you will see how people are brainwhashed to hate USA.

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This “Brian” person sure talks and thinks like a Ukrainian girl….

Still sub-zero temperatures here in Norway. And dark….Guess you have it sunny, nice and cozy in Odessa? smile

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Man, sorry I am not a gay.

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Well, if not, then you are a girl.

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I don’t give a shit. Think whatever you want.

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Please, don’t get hysterical queenie.

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Here you go, EuroDude707.
And overwhelming majority of Ukrainians thinks this way.
Ukraine is a Nazi state indeed where killings of those who dare to disagree or protest are justified and even encouraged.

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You didnt answer on my question. If there are nazists/bandits everywhere in Ukraine and you insult my native country, people of this country, history of this country and you continue to stay here ( ! ) so why your pro-russian wife and you are still not in detention center/ prison?

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So, you want an answer? No problem.
We are not in the detention center only because Ukraine does not have enough of those detention centers. And if it had then I can bet you any money some moron like yourself would immediately snitch on us and report us to local Nazi authorities. Snitching and reporting anyone who dares to differ and have an own opinion is in the nature of any Ukrainian.
And now tell me, Ukrainian moron, how many people have been arrested in Ukraine since February 2014 for merely daring to express their own opinions and to stand up against Nazis who took power? I hope you have enough guts to give me an honest answer.

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jewish nazi filth

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It is such a jewish thing to say. I bet you haven’t lived in Ukraine in years.

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Why are you still there?

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You say you recommend Russia to get a good and loving wife but also mention in number 3 that Ukrainian women are good for LTR or solid long term marriage. Did you mean both Russian and Ukrainian women you would recommend to find a good wife? or Russia over Ukraine. Also, do you think the Ukrainian women really want a good man to marry them and start a family or they just want a green card and then they’ll leave soon after getting a green card?

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FSU girls are the best in the world. Even for plate-spinning, it is by far the best place for quality.

Unless you really really need to get experience under your belt at the cost of reduced quality, then you can go to other countries. But any man with over 50-ish notches or so shouldn’t really even consider being anywhere else. For quality, Russia is the place, and you will find girls there that will provide a level of value to your life that cannot be found in any other country.

As to the comment on nightclubs, frankly what Roosh calls a “dream girl” will inherently be a girl with relatively loose morals. He speaks of the rare FSU girl with the soft spirit and the heart of a child. That is a girl who acts almost entirely through emotion, and even if you are lucky enough to find this type of girl in Russia, she will not be the purest of what exists in that country. She won’t be the sluttiest either, she will be somewhere in the middle, but 10+ partners would likely to be expected. And yet this is probably the greatest possible type of girl that you could find anywhere in the world, and will provide immesurable value to your life. Not for marriage, but a girl like this can easily be the greatest girl a player will ever meet, in his whole life. The fact that she has slept with a few dudes is a non-issue, as what she can add to your life is ten times greater than what a purer yet lower-quality girl can. And yes, you can still get pure girls through day game, even virgins. I have personally fucked FSU virgins, who didn’t go to clubs, off the street, so I know 100% it is possible and not that infrequent.

What Roosh obviously hasn’t yet worked out, and many men still struggle with this, is how to game in Russia. I would suggest listening to Tom Torero’s podcast on the “Royal Flush”. I rarely recommend things, but this is worth listening to. One must impose his sexual frame, even on the most inexperienced girls, crushing it into them. Never accepting her frame or her waiting game. Knowing how to escalate hard even when there is massive resistance. And I mean hard, being primal and primitve. Weaseling her back to your apartment door and escalating like a motherfucker until she cannot help herself. Pushing her into your house. Using force and seeing how far it will go before it explodes (if she freaks out, obviously let her go, but they never do, once you see how a virginal girl, despite resistance, allows herself to succumb to her natural submissive instinct under hardcore dominance, with all logic going out the window, you have truly peaked behind the red curtain). Setting a hardcore lover frame despite whatever she says (again, the instinct is to think that these rational Russian girls will never take a man who doesn’t want a relationship, but girls are girls, you SEE with your own eyes how they fight for it, they cannot take the ego blow). If all else fails, investing the girl heavily and forcing her into your no-strings frame through an softly-delivered ultimatum. Understanding their mindsets to create an illusion of connection even when no natural connection is there.

It is a higher form of game, much more complicated than anything you would run in the West. But you DO fuck girls that wouldn’t even consider this sort of arrangement, and way faster than even they themselves could have ever imagined themselves doing. It is about sending them into brain-fry, killing their logical patterns and forcing them into emotion. Them accepting YOUR frame, not the other way around. This is why guys fail in Russia, they just don’t understand how to do it. With the right game, it is possible to take a Moscow supermodel with only 1 LTR before you, and fuck her in two hours. And it wasn’t HER mindsets that made it happen, it was YOUR game. And that is extremely different to anything you would ever do in the West.

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“Weaseling her back to your apartment door and escalating like a motherfucker until she cannot help herself. Pushing her into your house.”

No thanks.

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Those who win are not the ones who work the hardest, but the ones who work the smartest. The ones who do what works.

My rates in Russia were likely significantly better than your’s, because I was doing it right, and you were not.

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;)) What cities in Russia did you visit?;)))

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In a disko of kiev, I saw an ukrainian guy who approached and paid to drink almost all night to a super model. when the girl was a little hot and salacious, she decided to dance and rub all the other guys of the club. the guy came on the dance floor, he took the girl on his shoulders, he carried her onto the parking and he forced her to go in his car. nobody reacts. Then he left with the model… somewhere anon has reason about the submission and the balance of power that should be imposed.

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Absolutely rubbish. Might work with trash-girls from the street, but you can just forget to do that with a Russian top 10% girl.

I dated a piano playing, perfect pitch, red diploma Economist investment banker, model offered, 25+ year old virgin and daughter of a high ranking Russian military officer. We had to split due to circumstances outside our control. If not, we would have been married today.

If I ever tried what you say, she would have murdered me. Seriously.

You sound like the actor-buying idiot Tom Torero himself.

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If I don’t Colombian, then I’ll go Russian.

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” That said, it’s easier now than ever for you to pluck a Ukrainian beauty and get her out of there, but of course that leaves a big question mark for what could happen if you bring her into the West, where her diabolical Slavic genes could be switched on to your detriment”

There is no question; she will fuck you over once she comes to the States. DO NOT, under any circumstances bring a ukraine or russian female to the west, ever.

Thanks though, for the field report. Sounds like Ukraine is going down the shitter. When will the twerking fad arrive there?

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Totally agree, again: ” DO NOT, under any circumstances bring a ukrainian or russian female to the west, ever”!!
True, they’ll turn into a North American female in a matter of 3 months.
Ukraine is a failed state, all normal and educated people are leaving it in droves.

Yeah, really!
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Not under any circumstances?

What about as an employee (contractor) as I outlined earlier where I, the employer, sponsor her visa and have absolute control over whether she stays or goes. On step outta line and she’s history, with a line waiting list of replacements to choose from.

If 3 months is the shelf life of EE women coming to the States, that’s about as long as I think I could take any woman’s bullshit anyway. That’s sounds ideal actually.

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You won’t be able to have a total control over what she does and even less over what she thinks or is told;)

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Slavic people from that region are usually insane anyway, whether they be male or female. They’re more traditional so maybe the men get charmed by that. But if you’re from the west I think you’ll be shocked at how complicated people are from around that region. They all have very complicated personalities, are dishonest in their dealings, only care about money and material things, and they tend to be argumentative. This is most people’s experience with Russians and Ukrainians. Why else are they a people that have been at constant war for centuries? The psychology of their culture is the reason why their countries are so unstable, dysfunctional and always at war.

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I tend to agree, based on my experiences with those groups. Not bad people necessarily, but they tend to be rather pushy and self-absorbed to a degree that they are difficult to do business with.

I’ve met a handful of reasonable ones, but overall I’d rather not interact with them on a business level. They seem far too inclined towards cheating and taking any advantage they can, no matter how small or insignificant, at the cost of further business dealings.

As an American man who values honesty and fairness in business dealings, I find this to be a poor business strategy.

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well, then try to find a female who’ll appreciate your honesty and fairness. I do feel for you though. These 2 qualities are rare commodities in Ukraine.

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Yep, they’re not easy going people whatsoever.

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I did business for a past employer all over Eastern Europe. With Ukraine, it was always payment first, delivery second.

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I can agree with that 100%. It seems the ones who emigrate to the west whether Ukrainian, Russian or other eastern Slavic type are the worst of the lot only more driven. They have very childish notions of America and Anglosphere. I’ve worked with Russians and Ukrainians and dated a few Russian girls, and a Ukrainian girl. I’ve also spent time in some of the newer EU state primarily the Baltic states and Hungary. I like the Hungarians and Balts (In their own element) but find the Slavs become extremely pragmatic and will adopt the worst aspects of western culture while maintaining their own manipulative corrupt ways of dealing with others.

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I should add I’ve also dated several Latin American expat girls and am on my second Colombian girl. Personality wise they are far more affectionate than the Slavs but a little more emotional which to me is a good thing at times. But boy do I miss blue eyes and blonde hair. Funny as my first Colombian was a blonde and when I was with her I longed for dusky dark temptresses. Either way accents are appealing until you have to explain a complex topic.

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Hmmm. Sounds a lot like a country I live in….

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Oh, yeah, I have run into that argumentative nature with a Ukrainian girl I took on a test run. Complicated personality for sure. Obsessed with shopping, having a nice house, and so on. Demanding. Prone to drama. Wants 2 video phone calls per day. Just stubborn as hell. (By the way, Russians joke that Ukrainians are the most stubborn people on earth).

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I am that stubborn bitch from Ukraine whom Wi Tu Lo is talking about. Woman as he has written he” took on a test run”. Whom he says every day how much he loves, wants to have family and children with. Whom he sends flowers with cards “i love you”. Exist on this forum any adequate people?

I am not an internet girl, it is first time i have made a decision to write a post in blog cuz i am fed up. I am attractive, young, confident woman who works. I am from an intelligent family, without bad habits, i work out almost every day and take care of myself, i have high family and life values, I am not a party girl. But how blind i have been I have fallen in love with this man who writes all this shit about me and who cheats on me during one year. Man who complains I was looking for him on tinder and social networks but he didn’t mention that he lied and told me that he doesn’t use tinder but I have found him there, yes i looked his phone and have seen there photos of women and chats with them!!!! Any sane person would not act in such way but he did. Will any sane woman accept it? Or any sane adequate man who tells he loves will cheat, be on all dating sites and forums? Man who tells he doesn’t call because he works but has time to write poems on forums about how he fucks other women. But after this he dares to say I am stubborn bad person, obsessed with money. Show me please a person who respects himself/herself who would accept such kind of attitude. More than that in his opinion it is not of my business that he fucks with others while I was devoted to him and trusted him during one year of relationship. I was so blind that i didn’t see it. He pretended so good. Man who demands from woman good attitude but is persuaded that women are objects for sex and cumbucket!!!!.

Most of articles are disgusting. Most of men here are misogynists. U are not happy people with lot of mental problems!

I feel terrible after read his post about how he fucks prostitutes, about Asian women, etc….. God!!

Man who has lied to me since we first met – first about his age, then about women but I was very loyal with him. Man who is 20 years older and he thinks maybe he will live forever.

He writes how he uses escort service and ready to pay to prostitutes 500-1000$ per nights but at the same time he writes I am obsessed with money? Most of you here write Ukrainians are crazy for money. Oh really??? I work hard and pay all my bills I never ask money from men. During one year i didn’t ask money from him any time!!!! He would rather pay $1000 to prostitute than to give money to woman who loved him. So who has problems??? Is this man’s logic?

If there is any mature and clever person on this forum? How do you think guys if man asks to move to live in his country should he take financial responsibility and give to the woman financial secure or u are all sick here? As I see most of users on this forum are men. Tell me please if I provide myself why i have to accept from a man disrespect or why i can’t expect that man will take a financial responsibility if he asks me to live with him in his country and wants me as a wife. Of course I expect man should provide me in the way i provide myself and even more. Mentally healthy men understand it. Mentally healthy men should offer to his woman comfortable conditions, mentally healthy men will accept woman with her family because the family is a part of her as woman accepts his family.

Men who write here about getting women in Ukrainian villages or in small Russian cities obviously can’t get a woman in their country and are looking for cheap options. They even can’t get a good woman in Ukraine or Russia. The reality is that in Ukraine and Russia even average level or not educated women are more or less nice. In your country in order to have a nice and really good woman for relationship you need to make a lot of efforts.

You talk here about women like about some goods that you buy on the market. You should not expect too much from women cuz u are a piece of shit (not all)! . You really don’t see our deep soul and positive sides. You write here about how we are crazy about money.

Are you not? Maybe you are more crazy. You realize very well that with American or European woman you have a risk to lose money in case of divorce. Unfortunately our women are not protected very well by law and you know it. You feel your power. But is it really the power or maybe a weakness?

If we are so bad don’t come here. Don’t dare to criticize us. If you don’t like our culture and our mentality it is not our problem, it is your problem. Find woman in your culture and be happy. Buy you also hate American women. U hate all women.

U come here to find an easy sex with naïve girls, here u are kings cuz for u everything is cheap here but in your countries u are nobody and I doubt that in ur country even woman of ur age will fuck with u. This is the reality. I am kind of woman who doesn’t dream to live in US, who doesn’t dream about European or American passport. Accept the reality men! Who does wait for you here???!!!!

More than that most of my women friends in

Ukraine and Russia have never been in relationship with foreigners and they don’t want. These women are educated, earn more than some of you guys. I very doubt that Roosh V who writes stupid articles have ever met good intelligent, educated, confident Ukrainian woman. If he tried to pick up one of my friends they would tell him “who are you? Fuck off!” Sorry saying this.

This American man that writes about me a crap knows that i don’t dream to have US passport. The only one reason why I even started to talk to him was – i thought he lives in Ukraine. But happened what happened.

I should meet Wi Tu Lo in a few days but as I see he would write here in blog that Ukrainian prostitute is with him and is happy to cook for him!!!! But in person he talks about children, that i have to quit in order to move there.

To fuck women over the world is not a big deal to love one woman is a major breakthrough!. What do you have in result? Spending time on forums to complain how women are and where is better to take a chick.

He tells me about how much he loves me and how strong team we can be, that he wants to have a family with me, that it is first time in his life he has such a strong feeling to the woman. Disgusting!

Guys answer the question why woman has to be with smb who doesn’t treat her well (doesn’t matter the nationality) or who doesn’t respect, cheats, is on dating sites or who thinks that all women want only money!!!!????? I respect myself!!! Only one reason why i was ready to move to live with him cuz i loved this bastard. Yes I am demanding, first of all i am demanding of myself. I can be loyal and kind, to give a lot of love but in the way of respect and good attitude to me.

Men are bad liars. I told him lot of times. If I keep silence it doesn’t mean i don’t know that he lies. He swore by the health of his mother he didn’t cheat on me. But he did! .

Unfortunately not enemies hurt us but people whom we love. Ppl whom we trust betray in a very cruel way.

I am sorry for u my dear. I am sorry for all men who hate women and think we need only money. You will never be happy cuz you don’t want to be happy. The Problem is not in women, problem is in u. If there is at least one person on this forum who is happy in marriage? If you had a bad experience with some women in your life it doesn’t mean all are bad. If women thought that all men are liars, cheaters, losers and want only sex……….?

What a shame!

Who says shit doesn’t respect other ppl, women, other cultures is a piece of shit and first of all doesn’t respect himself!

Wish u happiness guys and to appreciate each minute of ur life, appreciate ppl who love u, kindness in ur life.

Having a penis doesn’t mean to be a man.

Hope dear u will not have a heart attack that i know about this profile. Better do not play games with “diabolical Slavic genes”!!!!

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Well what about bringing her over, let her get a place, job etc., on her own bat, pump as much as you like until you get bored, trade up, etc…….?

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These guys talking about marrying an FSU girl are fucking insane.

They are not for that. Get it into your fucking skull.

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I married a female from the FSU 7+ years ago. We are still going strong, have kids and an evolving family.

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Franky, I have also seen 7 year marriages in the West between beta males and hardcore post-carousel “reformed” sluts.

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I’m as far from a beta male as only possible;) And you can trust me on this one;))

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From what I have seen FSU women and Latinas have little to no patience for betas.

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You meet her over there or was she already in your country?

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I met her in Ukraine.

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I know a wealthy local guy who bought his Russian bride. What a cunty bitch! Oh she’s a looker (if you’re into middle aged porn star types), but I guess he thought he got bought a princess. And talk about her spending habits. I know them because they frequently dine and drink at a pricey establishment I frequent. She’s always decked out to the 9’s in designer fashion, etc.

Not only that, she brings her certifiably insane daughter to the states from time to time. I’ve had a couple of encounters with her, only to get up and leave after listening to her crazy talk.

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I know of two Midwestern middle class guys, in their 50’s, who married Russian “mail order” brides. One woman after arriving in the US earned an LPN degree, began working as a nurse and brought home her paycheck and handed it to him every pay day. Treated him like a king. The other cunt brought her “certifiably” crazy daughter over then divorce raped the guy. So in that unreliably small statistical sampling the odds ended up fifty/fifty.

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Additional suggestions for Western men looking for serious relationships in Ukraine (I have got a relationship with an Orthodox girl from Sumy):

1) Learn Russian and a little bit of basic Ukrainian (the latter helps when you are in Kyiv, a major airport hub).

2) Avoid major spots like Kyiv, Odessa (it will lessen the chances of scamming), and Western Ukraine, and focus on Eastern Ukraine / near the Russian border / places that not so frequented by Western men (eg Poltava, Mariupol, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhia, Sumy, etc).

3) Look for the ‘village’ girl, not the ‘city’ girl (especially if you insist on going to Odessa or Kyiv).

4) Ask the question, “Would you be comfortable living outside the [Anglosphere country that you live in]” early on, and watch her reaction to sift the green card diggers. Have a legitimate answer (eg I’d like to work outside my country, and see the world).

5) If she’s been to the West (some of the brighter ones have gone abroad on scholarships), probably a good idea to ‘next’ her.

6) Religious background (yours and hers) is a plus.

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Totally agree with everything written above!!

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i agree too. if you learn russian and go to a third-tier city of around 200,000 to 300,000 people, you’ll pretty much be an instant celebrity. in a city that size you’ll still find most modern amenities (we had a chinese restaurant and several good pizzarias in my third-tier city, for example) as opposed to a smaller villlage, where life is still pretty backwards.

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grab a slavic girl and head to finland or Argentina maybe both first world, one too cold for muslims the other has like no americanization effects on it cuz USgAy doesnt care about it.

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Doesn’t Sweden have similar climate to Finland?

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FInland is less feminist and more conservative apperantly

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Finland is feminist.
Argentina is feminine.
I’d marry a Saudi or even an Israeli woman before marrying a Finnish woman and I’m Catholic!

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Saudi and Israel women require monwy from men. If you are not ready to provide you have to forget about them )

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“That said, it’s easier now than ever for you to pluck a Ukrainian beauty and get her out of there, but of course that leaves a big question mark for what could happen if you bring her into the West, where her diabolical Slavic genes could be switched on to your detriment.”

Can you elaborate on what you mean by her diabolical Slavic genes, Roosh? Are their personalities quite rotten once they’re more comfortable around you?

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If you want to keep the feminine girl feminine, then she must remain in her original country. I realize that I could easily marry one of these chicks & bring her to my country. But in about 3-12 months, after she takes a long look around & sees “Oh, you mean I can just cut all my hair off, stop wearing heels, stop cooking & wear pajamas to the grocery store.” kicks in, she’ll be more like my hideous women & less like her own.
That alternative is still better as she will have her sexy roots, but not nearly as good as if I were to be there.

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Is this the Russian game plan? Occupy the east, the west of the country collapses, people leaving, etc. Then they just waltz into the west with little resistance?

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My guess is that Russia will take the E and SE, leaving a land-locked Ukraine. The west is filled with the Ukrainian nationalists (and really doesn’t have much in the way of resources, I hear).

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Interesting article Roosh. I’ve never been to the Ukraine, but my girlfriend’s parents were born there (I live in Australia). What attracted me to her (besides her femininity and obvious sex appeal) was her family values. It is very noticeable compared with the awful ‘SKIPPY’ women we have in Australia

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You should be saying much more about the nationalism evident everywhere in western Ukraine.

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I woudn’t worry about it becoming too infected by the west. First of all, their culture is several *thousand* years older than ours. So, the strength of this comes from the 1200’s and generations. Rest easy, knowing these women are far, far, far more feminine and graceful than your most cherished 10 in the USA. It’s effortless too. Get out the door and experience the world in real life.

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Just a terrible read here as I find about 70% of this to be true from my own experiences. I have been to several countries & nowhere is as good as Ukraine. Nothing brings me more of a charge in this world than day gaming in Berdyans’k, Kyiv & especially Odessa did. I was king of this planet for 23 days in Odessa this year as I day gamed like I never have before in my life averaging over 3 phone numbers per day & sometimes 2 dates per day….& getting laid is never easy anywhere… But I ran through that country no problem. 3rd date, you have a very good shot at getting laid. “Bang Ukraine” is a brutally accurate book, Roosh. Nice work & thank you.
Would I move to Ukraine if I had a steady dollar coming in remotely? Oh, for sure. You bet. Would I live there for longer than 3 years? I am not so sure…maybe.
& not every girl is so quick to leave Ukraine as you might feel. Not from my own “Boots on the ground” experience. I can say the best dates I’ve ever been on & the most normal conversations I’ve ever had have been with girls were from this Country. I genuinely do love Ukraine.
On May 22nd, 2015 in club Ibiza (in Arcadia) I promise you, I stood speechless as if my feet were buried in concrete as I was factually in the mecca & heart of the hot girl capitol of planet Earth that night. I walked home alone on this one night & stayed awake until 4am not believing what I saw to be real.
It made coming back home to Colorado amongst all the hippies & zoo creatures which my women look like by comparison to be quite brutal.

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Hey Roosh – I’d like to know more about the diabolical Slavic genes of Ukrainian women. I did a test run with a woman from Poltava this year. Really quite attractive and with a lot of good qualities. For example, she set right to work in the kitchen, believe it or not. Made every meal we ate, except when we went out to eat.

Of course, I saw the obsession with money and shopping. And the related expectation that I should give her money to go shopping, which I flatly refused to do, and which she took pretty well once I was emphatically clear that I will not be a wallet for her.

But what I experienced was that she was suspicious of everything. Especially suspicious that I had other woman (yeah, I do, but I said no and it was none of her business anyway). She managed to get hold of my mobile phone before it locked up and proceeded to go through all of the messaging apps and all the photos and I don’t know what else. Then a big drama ensued based on what she saw. When we are not together, she is constantly monitors when I was last am on WhatsApp, on FB, Viber, etc. and absolutely convinced that each time she see I was on one of those apps that I was talking to another woman. She also searches for me on Tinder and other dating apps to see if I am listed on one.
It was just this constant suspicion that drove me crazy as well as constantly questioning my motives.

But the sex was great, anyway. For sure, from her perspective, that was how she was selling herself to me, in addition to demonstrating her cooking skills, organizing skills, home-making skills, etc. But despite the good aspects I was left feeling pretty convinced that I could not live with the downside.

Would love to know what you mean by diabolical Slavic genes. Are they all like what I experienced? Or are you referring to something else?

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“diabolical Slavic genes”

With my admitted limited experience with Ukrainian women, I would say that you’ve experienced some of it, especially the ‘wallet’ part. UA women tend to be very materialistic / concerned about material things.

My guess is (worst case scenario) that she would get her green card, divorce you, take half of your goods, and/or use her femininity to maximum benefit in the US. (in essence, she will be twice the hellcat that US women are).

I would say that it might make a difference on her age; the older she is,
the more stable / resistant to change she will be. She will
‘Westernize’ no matter her age. But the rest depends on her character.

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Your guess about westernizing is totally CORRECT!!
Any eastern European woman westernizes rather sooner than later if living in the West.

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So you think it is a bad idea to marry a foreign woman/raise a family in America or any other westernized country?

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I don’t agree. Not all women dream to leave their country. I would say best Ukrainian women do not dream to leave Ukraine, they want men from their culture.
I am married to a Ukrainian for 10 years. My wife is demanding, maybe she is more demanding than European women but I see how much she loves me, she is a very good mother. I like Ukrainian people. What do you expect from woman?
Ukrainian and Russian men spend money for women. You can’t make your own rules in another country. If you are not ready to spend money you have to find a woman in your country. These women like to take care of themseves. I’d rather spend money for my beautiful wife than to be with ugly American or Europian.
You can not criticize the culture and customs just because it does not conform to your beliefs.

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I am that woman u are talking about. U are very wrong. I was not dreaming about passport or green card. Never judge people if you don’t know them in person. Wi Tu Lo wrote about me crap and nonsense and now he is asking me to come. He has deleted his profile and even can’t say ‘sorry” cuz he knows he behaved himself as a bastard. He was brave on forum but to say the truth to me he is not very brave. He cheated on me and lied! I didn’t ask from him any $ during one year of relationship. So better do not give advices if you don’t know the situation especcially on forums. He asked me to come to live with him but wrote i am obsessed with money. Every mature woman will ask some base a guarantee, every mature man will propose it without asking from woman’s side if he wants woman leaves her country. Every man who really loves will share with woman everything as woman will share everything with man. Don’t think please that all women dream about american passport. US is not the best country for life. Our mentality is very different. I live not bad here. Only one reason i will ever leave my country is if i really love a man and if i see man loves me and ready to act in the right way to build a family. To say ” I love u” – nothing. Love should be proved by actions. It goest from the heart. So no illisions please. Sorry for saying this. It is frustrating to read what some men write here about our women. Of course it is a fault of some our women who are ready for everything just in order to leave the country, get some money or ready to make sex with foreigners cuz they can buy them some shoes. But first of all this is the fault of government. Thanks God i have an education and earn not bad money. so i can say “Fuck off” to every bastard who will try to offend me. I don’t need to be with a man for money. I will be with a man only for love!

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Ma’am, not every woman is like that, and I thank God that you are not.

You must realize that not only does life in the US makes men paranoid about getting ‘divorced-raped’, but I personally have been through a US divorce process as child and I do not wish that on my children.

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i know american men that are happy with american wives, ukrainian wives. But also i know men who are divorced. It means nothing. Bad experiance is also experiance. We should not be angry or hate all ppl for this. It is our choice. Just let ppl go out of ur life if they don’t appriciate u. Be good and do good.
In fact that men should not worry so much about money. Our nature is that man provides a family. The best what man can do is to earn money. Men are hunters. Why not. Just choose the right woman and make each other happy. Men can’t give a birth, men can’t feed a baby etc. Each of us should perform own function. We waste our life for usuless things. Feminine, family oriented woman will always expect actions from man, will expect his support, protection and care in order she could feel herself comfortable, not to worry and devote herself to the family. BTW this is also hard work. First we need to decide what we want and then act right.
I will not hate all man just because my man whom i really loved and trusted dared to write on forums about me so disgusting things and about other women. He has made his choice.

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Take a chill pill, get the chip off your shoulder, and don’t take a general comment as a personal insult.

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I took as a personal insult only what my bf wrote in his profile, how he did it and that he cheated on me and thought it’s quite normal. In fact any mature person would not write on forums about his/her partner. And u exactly answered on what he wrote. Regarding the “wallet ” part and green card u were very wrong. Period.

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Hey Wi Tu Lo – maybe you didn’t love her? if you cheated on her why do you blame her? My wife is 1/2/Ukrainian, I am European. I adore her, she loves me. We are happy. Simply You didn’t take it seriously because you write about her as about toy.

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Hey Wi Tu Lo – maybe you didn’t love her? if you cheated on her why do you blame her? My wife is 1/2/Ukrainian, I am European. I adore her, she loves me. We are happy. Simply You didn’t take it seriously because you write about her like about toy.

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I am that stubborn bitch from Ukraine whom Wi Tu Lo is talking about. Woman as he has written he” took on a test run”. Whom he says every day how much he loves, wants to have family and children with. Whom he sends flowers with cards “i love you”. Exist on this forum any adequate people?

I am not an internet girl, it is first time i have made a decision to write a post in blog cuz i am fed up. I am attractive, young, confident woman who works. I am from an intelligent family, without bad habits, i work out almost every day and take care of myself, i have high family and life values, I am not a party girl. But how blind i have been I have fallen in love with this man who writes all this shit about me and who cheats on me during one year. Man who complains I was looking for him on tinder and social networks but he didn’t mention that he lied and told me that he doesn’t use tinder but I have found him there, yes i looked his phone and have seen there photos of women and chats with them!!!! Any sane person would not act in such way but he did. Will any sane woman accept it? Or any sane adequate man who tells he loves will cheat, be on all dating sites and forums? Man who tells he doesn’t call because he works but has time to write poems on forums about how he fucks other women. But after this he dares to say I am stubborn bad person, obsessed with money. Show me please a person who respects himself/herself who would accept such kind of attitude. More than that in his opinion it is not of my business that he fucks with others while I was devoted to him and trusted him during one year of relationship. I was so blind that i didn’t see it. He pretended so good. Man who demands from woman good attitude but is persuaded that women are objects for sex and cumbucket!!!!.

Most of articles are disgusting. Most of men here are misogynists. U are not happy people with lot of mental problems!

I feel terrible after read his post about how he fucks prostitutes, about Asian women, etc….. God!!

Man who has lied to me since we first met – first about his age, then about women but I was very loyal with him. Man who is 20 years older and he thinks maybe he will live forever.

He writes how he uses escort service and ready to pay to prostitutes 500-1000$ per nights but at the same time he writes I am obsessed with money? Most of you here write Ukrainians are crazy for money. Oh really??? I work hard and pay all my bills I never ask money from men. During one year i didn’t ask money from him any time!!!! He would rather pay $1000 to prostitute than to give money to woman who loved him. So who has problems??? Is this man’s logic?

If there is any mature and clever person on this forum? How do you think guys if man asks to move to live in his country should he take financial responsibility and give to the woman financial secure or u are all sick here? As I see most of users on this forum are men. Tell me please if I provide myself why i have to accept from a man disrespect or why i can’t expect that man will take a financial responsibility if he asks me to live with him in his country and wants me as a wife. Of course I expect man should provide me in the way i provide myself and even more. Mentally healthy men understand it. Mentally healthy men should offer to his woman comfortable conditions, mentally healthy men will accept woman with her family because the family is a part of her as woman accepts his family.

Men who write here about getting women in Ukrainian villages or in small Russian cities obviously can’t get a woman in their country and are looking for cheap options. They even can’t get a good woman in Ukraine or Russia. The reality is that in Ukraine and Russia even average level or not educated women are more or less nice. In your country in order to have a nice and really good woman for relationship you need to make a lot of efforts.

You talk here about women like about some goods that you buy on the market. You should not expect too much from women cuz u are a piece of shit (not all)! . You really don’t see our deep soul and positive sides. You write here about how we are crazy about money.

Are you not? Maybe you are more crazy. You realize very well that with American or European woman you have a risk to lose money in case of divorce. Unfortunately our women are not protected very well by law and you know it. You feel your power. But is it really the power or maybe a weakness?

If we are so bad don’t come here. Don’t dare to criticize us. If you don’t like our culture and our mentality it is not our problem, it is your problem. Find woman in your culture and be happy. Buy you also hate American women. U hate all women.

U come here to find an easy sex with naïve girls, here u are kings cuz for u everything is cheap here but in your countries u are nobody and I doubt that in ur country even woman of ur age will fuck with u. This is the reality. I am kind of woman who doesn’t dream to live in US, who doesn’t dream about European or American passport. Accept the reality men! Who does wait for you here???!!!!

More than that most of my women friends in

Ukraine and Russia have never been in relationship with foreigners and they don’t want. These women are educated, earn more than some of you guys. I very doubt that Roosh V who writes stupid articles have ever met good intelligent, educated, confident Ukrainian woman. If he tried to pick up one of my friends they would tell him “who are you? Fuck off!” Sorry saying this.

This American man that writes about me a crap knows that i don’t dream to have US passport. The only one reason why I even started to talk to him was – i thought he lives in Ukraine. But happened what happened.

I should meet Wi Tu Lo in a few days but as I see he would write here in blog that Ukrainian prostitute is with him and is happy to cook for him!!!! But in person he talks about children, that i have to quit in order to move there.

To fuck women over the world is not a big deal to love one woman is a major breakthrough!. What do you have in result? Spending time on forums to complain how women are and where is better to take a chick.

He tells me about how much he loves me and how strong team we can be, that he wants to have a family with me, that it is first time in his life he has such a strong feeling to the woman. Disgusting!

Guys answer the question why woman has to be with smb who doesn’t treat her well (doesn’t matter the nationality) or who doesn’t respect, cheats, is on dating sites or who thinks that all women want only money!!!!????? I respect myself!!! Only one reason why i was ready to move to live with him cuz i loved this bastard. Yes I am demanding, first of all i am demanding of myself. I can be loyal and kind, to give a lot of love but in the way of respect and good attitude to me.

Men are bad liars. I told him lot of times. If I keep silence it doesn’t mean i don’t know that he lies. He swore by the health of his mother he didn’t cheat on me. But he did! .

Unfortunately not enemies hurt us but people whom we love. Ppl whom we trust betray in a very cruel way.

I am sorry for u my dear. I am sorry for all men who hate women and think we need only money. You will never be happy cuz you don’t want to be happy. The Problem is not in women, problem is in u. If there is at least one person on this forum who is happy in marriage? If you had a bad experience with some women in your life it doesn’t mean all are bad. If women thought that all men are liars, cheaters, losers and want only sex……….?

What a shame!

Who says shit doesn’t respect other ppl, women, other cultures is a piece of shit and first of all doesn’t respect himself!

Wish u happiness guys and to appreciate each minute of ur life, appreciate ppl who love u, kindness in ur life.

Having a penis doesn’t mean to be a man.

Hope dear u will not have a heart attack that i know about this profile. Better do not play games with “diabolical Slavic genes”!!!!

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Roosh, my man, doesn’t matter where you go. This sad state of affairs is global.
We keep hearing about “the west” but let’s be honest here for a minute, the degenerate culture comes from the US, it’s the modern babylon. Their goal is to destroy Europe, the only threat to us power, through social engineering, through the media, hollywood propaganda, porn, etc. When your average german or french girl is addicted to jersey shore or modern family, when you see young dudes trying to emulate insane US rappers you know europe is doomed and the damage is irreversible. They have perverted the youth, robbing them from real beautiful culture and that’s the most destructive thing ever.

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Man oh man….. you can’t even imagine how much I DO AGREE with your words….
The sad state of affairs is GLOBAL and definitely NOT limited to one country or continent.
People are becoming more and more stupid with every passing day. Stupid, ignorant and indifferent to what’s going on around them!

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Yes I’m aware, though even in Babylon, some cities had to be better than others.

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A good litmus test for a keeper is get this . . SEWING. Can she sew or does she beat around the bush with excuses. The part of the brain that coordinates nimble fingers with eye focus and pattern recognition logic (similar to smartphone dawdling) when applied to constructive effort strangely but somehow keeps their assigned loyalties intact. I know an older lady who’s married for 35+ years with grown kids. She’s a seamstress primarily and helps her husband with everything in his small accounting business. She knows as much to pass a CPA exam simply by doing the work and remains loyal still. She’s petite and (was) smoking hot 30 yrs ago. Show me a seamstress that flakes anywhere.

Cooking is another ball of wax. Many women learn dishes by repetative drill but never really had the knack. Don’t be fooled. But if she has the cognition to make a fine ‘DOILIE’ for her head, then something says that she’s not among the stoopid women, the ones who knee jerk buy into the soap opera fariy tales on the women’s channel. They see the danger in the feminist lie and can identify the pattern of unfavorable consequences that follow just like they can crunch the hundered point lattice design of a doily in their mind before they get out the string and begin weaving. It’s an invaluable trait for a woman to be ‘ABLE’ to sew. Plus she can find it easier to multi task with tit feedings, dinner and servicing her master. Among the first three questions should be ”Can you sew?” Old fancy homemade doilies worn on the head were a way for young women to advertize their aptitude to handle the coming juggernaut of ‘task juggling’ required in proficient mothering.

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Funny, my mom is a professional seamstress.

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Bingo

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One of the coolest things I ever saw was a 19 year old Latina from an elite family that liked to knit in her free time, I was literally freaked out by this…a hot young chica liked to knit instead of play with her smartphone. I thought of proposing marriage on the spot…LOL!

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Darth Vader will save Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UpDq_vVrsY

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When you say “It’s just not a pleasant place to live anymore”, could you elaborate please? What makes other countries like Poland and Russia better alternatives in terms of living? I was in Ukraine for 2 months over the summer (Uzhorod, Lviv, and 1 month in Kiev). Had a very good time meeting girls overall. I’m relatively young in my late 20’s, fit, and African American so I stood out like a sore thumb. I strongly believe that Average girl there is model looking. Stunning to me as this was my first time in Eastern Europe coming from America. However this is what I did not like about Kiev.

1. People do not smile – especially on the Metro. Its pretty depressing. The exception to this are the expats and younger generation of girls at times. Despite this, more often than not they would open up after you ask them a question.

2. You have to learn Russian. At the minimum conversational, everyday words and the cryllic alphabet to read.

3. Night clubs are littered with pros or semi pros. I was outright approached and asked If I wanted sex twice while in Kiev. Once I flipped the script and asked her how much she would pay for me. She was visibly upset afterwards. I frequented night clubs when I was there – Forsage, Coyote Ugly, Caribbean Club, Sorry Babushka, etc. 100% can attest to what Roosh had to say about nightclubs. Upon my return I’m running straight social circle game.

4. Accomodation for a 1 BR apartment wasn’t nearly as cheap as I expected in Kiev. Still better in the west – but I was still watchful of my spending in general. In other Ukrainian cities housing and general spending is much cheaper.

5. Definitely in influx of Hipster culture in Ukraine, especially in Lviv. Was surprised. But the girls are still much more feminine than in the West.

6. Finally, racism does exist in Kiev. Granted I had no problems in any other Ukrainian city and felt very safe. But walking at night on Kreschatik or taking a metro – you must be aware and smart. My friend Viktor was interning for the Kyiv Post during my stay there and interviewed for an article about Racism in Kyiv. Here is the link.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/racism-still-taints-post-revolutionary-ukraine-396587.html

Despite the negatives – I still had a great time in Ukraine. One of my friends who worked at a hostel was commenting on how easy it was compare to other travelers she’s seen to meet women. Was genuinely surprised. Granted I went in the summer and plan on coming back in January, so my experience could change due to the cold winters.

Fantastic article Roosh. Truthful and accurate which has become par for the course. I honestly felt a little disappointed after reading this article as I was genuinely excited to coming back to Kiev in a couple of months. Now I’m having second thoughts. If not Ukraine, then where!? Mexico seems to be the only alternative. Looking for quality – not quantity. Ukraine has the highest quality of beautiful, approachable women in the world in my opinion. Apparently you just cant live there for long.

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Thanks for your honest thoughts.
You’ve been here mere 2 months and for pleasure only which is good.
But LIVING here is very different from just visiting and trying to get laid.
The major problem with Ukrainians is that they can NEVER EVER acknowledge/admit their OWN faults, setbacks and mistakes!! NEVER EVER!
They’ll keep blaming everyone and everything around them but never blame themselves. They completely lack self criticism and are unable to see beyond what mainstream media are telling them.

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Try Mexico or Russia for a change and you are gonna love them a lot more than Ukraine.

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I dated a few real Mexican girls while in Mexico in the past. You don’t go back to American chicks after getting the royal treatment.
Mexican girls are underrated in my opinion.

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Don’t marry a Ukraine woman and bring her to the United States. You mentioned those diabolic Slavic genes. Yea she is desperate and lonely in her contry She has little chance for a future there and will appeal to your sympathy for companionship and life partnership as your wife in America. But once she gets over here she will become an instant Star. She will be spoiled with so much attention from American men she will turn into a monster. I woulnt be supprised if she begins cheating on you within three years. Maybe sooner. It all depends on how quick she learns there is no consequences to her for cheating on her man in the United States. If you want to have a long distance relationship with a girl in Ukraine or Russia, go for it but for heavens sake don’t marry one. They will destroy you if you let them.

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I’d say do NOT marry one AND bring her over to North America!
Otherwise I totally, DAMN TOTALLY agree with what you wrote!!
Millions of Ukrainian females are dreaming about their lucky ticket to get out of Ukraine for good! And they are ready and willing to do anything to make it “Mission Possible and Accomplished”.

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LOL!
I have met a few Ukrainian girls in their early to mid 20s in the US.
A few have made me almost go insane with their raw beauty and femininity
Russian and Serbian girls might be better.
LOL!

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Reinforces my idea of wanting a woman who has gone through hell itself. As in grade school, American culture, American college and universities and by her OWN will, decided not to be part of it by her own experience, that for me is a real woman. Unfortunately, rare.

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Man, are you dolt? I am sorry

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“but of course that leaves a big question mark for what could happen if
you bring her into the West, where her diabolical Slavic genes could be
switched on to your detriment.”

Fuck.

Roosh. You need to do an article on this.

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I’ve been talking with a few Ukrainian girls while wife hunting. I love their traditional way of communicating, but am wary of the ‘slavic genes’. I know it would be tough to find a good american girl to wed up…especially since I like girls in their 20s and I’m in my 40s. If Ukraine isn’t the best place to look for a young wife who is not bothered by the age difference, which country is?

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I kinda think that women in ANY country in the world would be bothered by such an age difference in the family. Ukraine ain’t no different.

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The Philippines is one in which age does not matter. There are guys in their 60ies there marrying 20 year olds. Thailand is a bit like that, too.

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Roosh, yours conclusions are acceptable for a guy who stay short period of time in ukraine and in the capital, kiev. You still compare to Poland because that’s where you spent all your time and got lot of success. I stayed in this country more than 8 years. I saw and still see the changements. Formrcanadian says many bad things about ukraine and Ukrainian, and prefers Russia and Russians but he forgot to watch the entire history of this country. The territory called now ukraine was a land of suffering. There have been wars, massacres, invasions. There was no aristocracy and these people were farmers and simple people all along the history. That’s why you should not have high expectations about intellect or culture. And believe me formrcanadian, excepts in some big cities of russia where it’s expensive to live, people are also alcoholics, racists, degenerated and hate foreigners. If you go to some village of south France, you will be also shocked to see gypsies, Muslims, degenerated people who always drink alcohol and fuck with their mother.And it’s everywhere in Europe. Visit Napoli, suburbs of madrid, Roma, Paris. And if you think that you are protected to go to Russia with your Ukrainian, you are wrong. The Russians are crazy with Ukrainian girls and they will probably fuck her in your back. Russian girls are capricious and very strong nature. If you are low, you are dead.They know what is good and will expect that you spend big money for vuitton, dior or a trip in Maldives when at the same times an Ukrainian will be happy if you buy normal clothes, restaurant in traditional ukrainian brewery and cheap trip in Turkey. About that people are leaving ukraine by “millions” it’s an awful shit. I don’t know any young girls around me in kiev who wants go to live in USA. They go to turkey and sometimes fall pregnant, in Italy, dubai, Israel, Germany but come back and often marry with young Ukrainian. But I accept that all along the history of this land, people were leaving, and going all over the world. It’s not new.
If you want to be successful with girls in ukraine, you have to live there for a couple of years, speak fluently russian, have a lot of friends. I observed that the best chicks (super cute, smart and not bitch) are always marrried very quickly. The ukrainian guys take them as young as they can and make them pregnant to block them. long-term singles are the crumbs that others men didnt want. Accept the game. And watch the entire tragic history of this poor land.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, cry me a river. Damn, your message is a picture perfect example WHY I am CORRECT in my saying that “the major problem for Ukrainians is their lack of ability to admit their OWN faults, mistakes and setbacks!!”
Instead they all act like YOU did and come up with millions of different excuses and reason why it DIDN’T happen instead of simply making it happen!
“Poor land, tragic history, century long sufferings” etc etc etc.
Yes, people are leaving Ukraine in millions! Count yourself: over 500 000 Ukrainians work and live in Poland (JUST IN POLAND!!), over 4 millions of Ukrainians live and work in Russia! Annually over 1 million of Ukrainians participate in the US Green Card Lottery. I’ve mentioned just 3 countries, 3 damn countries, but the number is over 5 million of people right here!
But you sure can go on with your fairy tales about Ukraine and Ukrainians.
Ukraine has been independent for almost 25 years now. Who’s stopping you from developing your economy, educating people, learning new skills and languages, building better roads?? May be it’s about time to look in the mirror and start admitting a sad reality?

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You don’t understand me. You are watching ukraine as a state. I am watching ukraine as a land. You are watching ukraine for the last 25 years, I am watching ukraine for the last 1250 years. Staline, yagoda, kagonovic decided holodomor and killed more than 16 millions persons. It’s tragic, dramatic, did you live this in Canada ? No. All these Ukrainians are a mix of ottomans , tatar, Polish , Swedish, Russian, mongol… they are leaving this land or arriving from others lands all along history of humanity. And it will continue. Why ukraine is not developing more? Because all along history it was a poor land. With only agriculture, farmers, forests. You can find the same in Slovakia, or in some poor lands of south Spain, Portugal, Greece. How much money did you invest in ukraine formrcanadian ? You create company? Give good salary to ukrainian? No … that’s why ukraine is still poor. Because guys like you come to ukraine for a dream, easy girls, sex, cheap flat. But you have even no money to bring your wife out of this hell and give her a good life in Canada. Foreigners like you, I met thousand in ua and they all complain, criticise and look for easy sex without effort. You are loosing your time here and you should leave. You know what, you are like these Algerians living in France, who hate France but cannot leave it because govnmt give them cheap flat, money and free school or dentist… man, go to Russia or Canada. Leave this country. Poors and stupids ukrainian are leaving to find better life anywhere else. Do it. Please.

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1. Fuuuuck you are a picture perfect example of a real Ukrainian. You are ignorant, stupid to the extreme and at the same time you consider yourself to be right all the time and to know everything.
2. Ukraine as a country did NOT exist 1250 years ago. It didn’t even exist 100 years ago. Enough with this propaganda bullshit and Ukrainian mainstream media brainwashing.
3. Again, you are desperately looking for someone to blame instead of acknowledging that UKRAINIANS in local authorities were responsible for Holodomor. But for YOU it’s always Stalin, Yagoda, Beriya, Ezhov, Kaganovich etc fault. Yes, they bear the blame but locally Holodomor rested on shoulders of local Ukrainian authorities! And where did you get the number of over 16 million of people when even the OFICIALLY recognized number is anywhere from 3 to 7 million of people????
Enough with your Ukrainian lies!
And please do not forget that the Soviet Famine in 1932-33 affected huge area stretching from central Ukraine to southern Russia, mid Russia around the Volga river and all northern and western Kazakhstan. But you conveniently decided to ignore/omit this fact.
4. Ukraine is not developing because people do NOT want any changes and have no guts to admit own faults and mistakes! Stop blaming agriculture, farming and forestry in your own faults! Admitting own faults is STEP #1 in “healing”.
5. Listen, Ukrainian moron, I own a smaller resort facility together with my wife in Odessa region. Google how much money it takes to build a resort from scratch nearby Odessa and then talk about investments.
Yes, I did create a resort if you want to call it a “company”. And every summer we do employ 3 or 4 extra local workers to help us with maintenance, clean ups and other smaller duties. That’s about giving a job to a Ukrainian.
6. When I came to Ukraine I never looked for “easy girls, cheap sex and accommodation”. I was looking for a wife instead. And I found one. We’ve been together for 7 years now and have our kids.
7. We do have money but have you ever thought that my wife simply did not WANT to go to Canada?
8. I’ve never even mentioned “easy sex without effort” but you somehow are absolutely sure that I had to do it. Oh, I forgot , you are Ukrainian;) It explains everything.
9. Just do not worry-me, my wife and our kids WILL leave Ukraine very soon. But do you know WHY we will leave?
Because of stupid Ukrainian morons like YOU! It’s impossible and unbearable to live in a country populated by stupid, ignorant and uneducated people like yourself.
People make the country either good or bad!
And we do NOT want to live in the country where people never stop blaming others for their own faults and tell those who dare to differ, to have an own opinion and to tell the truth to leave the country!

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I own a smaller resort facility together with my wife in Odessa region. Google how much money it takes to build a resort from scratch nearby Odessa and then talk about investments.

I am impressed. With increasing Muslim terrorism, both in Europe and the ME, I would guess Odessa as a European tourist destination, would become a rising star. Oil-rich Norwegian tourists find it more and more disgusting to visit both Paris and London and see all these quranimals running around, so they look for new great tourist destinations.

Did foreign tourism totally dry up, due to all the violence and insane burning of buildings, or is it Russian tourists that have gone? Or the general purchasing power of Ukrainians have tanked?

Resort in Odessa, truly sounds like a dream to me. Do you sail?

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Foreign tourism completely dried up after Majdan in 2014, all the businesses are suffering big time.
All Russian, Belorussian and other tourists simply disappeared! Yes, you may get a flow of locals in July and August, but they are all looking for a bargain and are very cheap. Ukrainians have no purchasing power whatsoever. It’s impossible to have it with an average monthly salary of 120$ US. IMPOSSIBLE.
You may get an odd American or Canadian traveler here in summer, but they are very few and far between and you ain’t gonna build no business on them.
And no, I do not sail;) But wouldn’t mind learning how to;)

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I am waiting for a major crash in all financial markets, due to the insane Quantity Easing ad infinitum, within the next 0-3 years.

But on medium and long term, an Odessa seaside resort facility sounds like a really great investment. Great weather, cheap food, no Muslims, no terrorism. Just sun and peace. I guess Germans and Scandinavians will pay a lot for that, getting away from our daily bombing and car burning by the Muslim rapists in our crashing countries.

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I’m doubtful that any crash will happen on some major markets in any foreseeable future.
Look, a resort here is profitable in June, July, August and until mid September. Some years you can throw in 2 weeks in May as well. But what about the rest of the year when it’s cold, dull, grey and dirty all around? Infrastructure is crumbling, the sea is mostly cold and facilities are getting older and older. Black sea ain’t no Mediterranean or Red/Caribbean sea. It’s usually cold, murky and visibility is very poor. Odessa is good for a budget travel for locals, but I do not envision it an international travel hot spot in any foreseeable future.

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The money printing is insane. The world has never seen anything like it. Not these levels and not all major markets doing it simultaneously.

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BASE

Hmm, I see the problem. I was in Crimea in the summer and it was insanely hot, so I thought Odessa would be more like Turkey.

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Weather in Crimea is a lot hotter and drier than in Odessa and area. But again the tourist season is very short and lasts mere 3 months.

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Yeah, it was really hot in Crimea, more like the ME than Europe.

Water access, harbors and marinas are rare commodities with limited supply. and they often form natural monopolies. In Norway, thanks to our socialist overlords, they are virtually all owned by community organizations. But with a free market and private ownership, people would have been able to make a fortune. Buying a boat in Norway is not a problem, but finding a place for it in the summer/winter (on land) is a problem and people pay much for it. Guess you will have the same development in Ukraine, as soon as they get tired of their insane semi civil war.

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Gotta run. I wish you a pleasant evening!

I hope the Ukrainians show up again,so we can learn more about their point of view.

Blessings from Norway grin

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Have a good evening yourself!
Best wishes from Ukraine wink

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Oh, I forgot this. As you already know and understand the sea-life, teaching you how to sail would be no problem.

As a Viking dude, I can of course sail grin

If we get the opportunity I can teach you. Russians love the idea of sailing.

I have talked to so many Russian and Belorussian, mainly girls, that are too afraid to go to Ukraine. So I can easily see that the Russian segment has completely dried up. Too bad and rather insane. Russians and Ukrainians are in many ways even closer than Swedes and Norwegians, in my opinion.

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Yeah, Vikingarna;))
Would be my pleasure to have you as a teacher of sailing;))
I’m the fish in the water, why not become a Drakkar on the water??:)
We haven’t got no Russian or Belorussian tourists here this past summer, only local Ukrainians looking for a bargain.
Russians and Ukrainians have been separated by the mainstream media propaganda and it will remain this way for generations to come…

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Yeah, I have been sailing since I was a kid. That and skiing in the winter time, of course grin

Teaching you to sail would be real fun, and maybe you can do some business with it.

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Nope;) If I ever learn how to sail it’ll be “fun only” mode;)

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You will absolutely love it! There is nothing like it. And as you live so close to the sea, you can even wait for the perfect weather. If you like speed, you wait for warm weather, strong wind and little/few waves. Or if you like big waves, you can wait for that as well. Every weather condition has its won charm.

(Except for no wind, cold, raining with semi-huge lazy ocean waves kicking the sailing boat back and forth. But that’s really rare).

Yep, dude, you MUST learn to sail, with your skill set and love for the sea it is unavoidable grin

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We’ll see what happens, but I definitely see that as an option. I love the sea indeed!

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No, no, no, if you love the sea, as you do, sailing is not an option, but OBLIGATORY! grin

Sailing is in full harmony with all the elements in nature, and it is so peaceful and quiet. You family would love it as well. Especially kids if you give them an old/cheap small sailing boat (jolle – not sure what it is called in English (dinghy?))

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Thanks for your very useful posts formerCanadian. By fewer foreigners you mean that there are much less westerners now right? I have heard that there have been a massive influx of Turkish and arab sex tourists in all Ukraine and specially in Odessa recently. Can you confirm it?

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Yes, I can confirm that.

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I would buy a really good health insurance with excellent trauma coverage, if I were a Turkish or an Arab sex tourist roaming the streets at night. At least if Ukrainians behave anything near the Moscow dudes smile

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lol, dude, you are proving all the points of FormrCanadian. Can’t you see that?

No, sorry, you can go to every analysis done by the IMF, World Bank or various investment banks and they ALL believed that Ukraine would come out on top of the post Soviet states, second only to the Baltic states. You had good geographical access to the European market. A highly educated and skilled homogeneous population. Some of the best Soviet industry and agrar production, Yet Ukraine failed. And that is a big shame. I sincerely hope that you will turn things around, and in my opinion, the first thing you have to do is to get rid of all the corruption and scammers, and maybe get rid of all those awful squat toilets .

Scandinavia has arctic farming, we had nothing, same with Switzerland, yet we managed to build good societies. If we could do it, then you can do it. Nothing is stopping you

FormrCandadian not only give direct foreign investment to Ukraine, but also know-how, technology transfer and customer service. All things in dire need in Ukraine, so if I were an Ukrainian, I would kiss his feet and bet him to stay. Being rude to foreign investors is the Zimbabwe way, and a total disaster. Cozying up with the EU is a dangerous thing to do. They will force you to accept rampant liberalism/hedonism combined with hordes of Muslim immigrants. That will cause the great Ukrainian culture to be exterminated within a generation or two. Learn from our mistakes and be friends with Russia again.

The historical fighting between east and west Slavs for centuries, has been a disaster.

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I’ll reiterate this paragraph again:

“Me, my wife and our kids WILL leave Ukraine very soon. But do you know WHY we will leave?
It’s impossible and unbearable to live in a country populated by stupid, ignorant and uneducated people like “Julesvinnitsa” and “ken”.
People make any country either good or bad! PEOPLE!
And we do NOT want to live in the country where people never stop blaming others for their own faults and tell those who dare to differ, to have an own opinion and to tell the truth to leave the country! “

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But Odessa has historically always been more international and a major warm water port? With a large Russian minority, or maybe even majority, right?

So even though much of Ukraine is nuts, Odessa should be better? Or am I missing something here?

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Odessa even 50 years ago and Odessa now are two completely different cities. It ain’t got no Russian minority. It ain’t the same any longer and it ain’t no better than the rest of Ukraine.
What you are missing is local Odessa psychology so to say.
Locals will gladly accept any authority as long as it doesn’t interfere much with their commercial activities.
It’s a very long story. May be one day I’ll get a chance to tell you about it in person.

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Hey Specnaz, are you FormrCanadian? Another account?

Yeah, I have been reading too much literature from great Russian authors. This is how I see Odessa grin

1897 (from Wiki)

Russians: 198,233 people (49.09%)
Jews: 124,511 people (30.83%)
Ukrainians: 37,925 people (9.39%)
Poles: 17,395 people (4.31%)
Germans: 10,248 people (2.54%)

Too bad that the Russians have gone. Not that I hate Ukrainians, but Odessa had a great demographic composition and thus good investment environment.

Locals will gladly accept any authority as long as it doesn’t interfere much with their commercial activities.

Sounds like the Republic of Venice from the old days.

Yeah, talking about in person would be great. For me, all this is very interesting.

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Yeah, mixed up my accounts;) Sorry, my fault.
well, it was in 1897, more than a century ago. And it’s a very long time for any city.
Odessa now and then are 2 different things.

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So, you also have a military background?

Well, not that long time ago. Bergen still is somewhat different to Oslo, due to the German influx during the Hanseatic age.

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Yeah, I do happen to have a connection with the military;)

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I am not surprised wink

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If you want to know more about what’s really going on in Ukraine, then just read this:

http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/sport/malmos-varning-infor-kvallens-cl-match/

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Wut? Ukrainian hooligans attacking peaceful Swedes? o_O

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Correct! It did happen last night all over Lviv.
But Ukrainians will keep insisting that it DID NOT happen. wink

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Strange, can’t find a word about it in Norwegian newspapers.

I have no clue about Swedish football. MFF is a from Malmö, rigth? Could it be that the MFF supporter team were filled with violent and sex-frustrated Arabs/North-Africans, and not peaceful ethnic Swedes?

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Nope! Those were all real Swedes, tall, blond and European looking.

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Something is SERIOUSLY wrong in Ukraine. They beat up Swedes, while having Europeans as their allies in their conflict with Russia? There is no logic behind it.

So, will a foreigner speaking Russian get into trouble in Ukraine? Will they demand that he/she speaks Ukrainian only? Or is this hysterical “nationalism” only found in some small segments of the population?

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Do not try to find any logic in Ukraine.
No, merely speaking Russian will NOT get you into trouble in Ukraine. Nobody will demand that you speak Ukrainian.
BUT if you dare to disagree with anything about “Ukrainian greatness, smartness, super wisdom, or nationalism” then you’ll get into trouble right away.
Ukrainians do not tolerate any opinion but their own and they think they are always right and never wrong. As well as they are ready to kill/burn anyone who objects or simply disagrees.

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BUT if you dare to disagree with anything about “Ukrainian greatness, smartness, super wisdom, or nationalism” then you’ll get into trouble right away.

OK, then whole bloody non-Russian-occupied Ukraine is one giant NO GO zone for me. I would never manage to keep my mouth shut grin

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By the way, just scroll down and read my discussion with another Ukrainian Nazi “ken” and his thoughts about burnings of 48 peaceful and unarmed people in Odessa on May 2, 2014.

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Really?? Wow, I will make myself a nice cup of coffee and have a look. I he truly supports it, then I need a nice cup of tea afterwards to calm my nerves, because that would be insane and inhuman.

I read all these books about the German Kz camps when I was a kid, and very often the author would say that the Ukrainian SS guards were the worst. Never made any real sense to me. Then.

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He does truly support it, pal. He IS a Ukrainian Nazi!

All these books about German concentration camps are right, Ukrainian SS guards were indeed the worst and most cruel.

By ‘ken’s” standards this 22 y.o. girl was a big danger to Ukraine.

http://cs540103.vk.me/v540103131/23e29/0bCBb1GFHpk.jpg
she was one of those 48 killed in the massacre on May 2, 2014, in Odessa.

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I haven’t been in Ukraine after the (de jure and de facto) coup d’état in Ukraine, but I was reading all these crazy comments. However, people are always crazy on the internet. But to see Ken comment here, was rather shocking.

How widespread are his opinions?

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An overwhelming majority of Ukrainians thinks exactly the way “ken” does.

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Good God, they have a Muslim thinking. I don’t get it, what do they base their morality on? It looks neither western European, nor Russian?

Muslims, I can understand, if they first accept that the super-evil desert rat Muhammad is al-insaan al kaamil, the person who has reached perfection, then of course you kill innocent civilians and behave like and animal.

But where do the Ukrainians get this from? What is their moral platform?

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They ain’t got no moral platform! They have a slogan “Ukraine above all” to justify anything from mobbing to killing/burning.

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Well, the Germans kicked out their Christian platform pretty hard during the WWII, so maybe we see something similar here.

Are Ukrainians going back to their pagan roots or are they just fake and un-devout Catholics like the IRA operatives and supporters?

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I’m out until the evening. Have some work to do;)

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Me too, have a nice afternoon grin

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I really hope that the smoke killed them or made them unconscious long time before the flames got them. Being burned alive is a very hard way to die, and none of them deserved it.

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Again, how you was living during 7 years with those stupid and terrible people?

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If you were smart and honest enough and not a Ukrainian hypocrite , you’d be able to admit or at least notice all those negative changes in Ukraine after the Coup d’état in February 2014.
Unfortunately you are a real Ukrainian thus unable to admit the truth.

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I advise you to move to Sochi or better to Cremea to make there business.

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And I suggest that YOU to learn some English before you tell others what to do and where to go!
I honestly hope that all normal people would leave Ukraine very soon!

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You forgot that you are in my country, not me in yours. So, i dont need to know your language actually lol

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Hmmm, look like the Ukrainians have run away after blaming everyone and anything, but themselves. That’s not a good sign.

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They simply have NO arguments to counter what I’ve said. They only know how to throw accusations around.

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Kind of strange to watch. When I talked to Ukrainians before the uprising, they only gave me vague and fluffy reasons, that now Ukraine have to choose between being a European nation and democracy, and a totalitarian Russian state. Worse, these were intelligent and educated people, yet they gave me these empty slogans.

But as a European, I can’t blame them. We are more insane than they are, and we can’t even blame it on failed states. We had everything.

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Ukrainians are brainwashed to the limit and beyond. TV is their God and they’ll believe anything told on it thus complete inability to have own thoughts and reasoning.

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Yeas, a Belorussian lady doc always talk about the Ukrainian TV station 1+1, or something like that. She says the Ukrainians are brainwashed, and I trust her, as she is both intelligent and speak English, thus have access to kind of neutral news coverage, and she truly likes the Ukrainians. She and all her Belorussian/Russian girlfriends are now afraid to go Ukraine during holidays, as they did before.

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Oh yeah, channels like “1+1” and “Channel 5” are the leaders in Ukrainian brainwashing promoting hate towards primarily Russia and Russians.

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Yeah, she mentions ‘Channel 5’ as well, but mainly ‘1+1’. Every time I ask her about some stupid Ukrainian comments, she mentions 1+1 grin

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1+1 is the ultimate brainwashing channel with “channel 5” not far behind.

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I am always having fun with her, knowing what she will say, so when I make fake conversations between us, I always throw in ‘Ukraine’, ‘1+1’ and ‘brainwash’, a lot grin

She is a medical doc and has actually worked with psychiatric patients, sometimes she sincerely diagnosis the whole Ukrainian population. As a professional, but admittingly perhaps not THE most neutral person ever razz

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Correct. I often happen to have exactly the same thoughts as she does.

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I don’t get it, bashing Russian speakers like that must be a disaster for Ukrainian tourism industry? And they have a really stiff competition from the Turks. They are really good. Well organized, efficient, clean toilets, cheap, and they are even learning Russian in the Russian dominated areas, whereas many hotels in even Kiev have staff that can’t speak English.

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NO Russians are coming to Ukraine these days. At least not to the Black sea coast of it. NO! NONE! ZERO!
Staff at some major hotel chains in Kiev do speak SOME English but it’s still very poor and broken so to say.

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I mostly speak with the girls; so not even young Russian men are coming to the Ukrainian black sea coast during summer holidays anymore?

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ESPECIALLY young Russian males are NOT even thinking about going to Ukraine in summer! They’ll be stopped and interrogated for several hours at the Ukrainian border and then turned back without the reason!
Every young Russian male is considered a potential enemy by Ukrainian authorities.

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Well, it is not totally unreasonable, I was in Turkey in the summer, and I am sometimes (rarely) a holiday smoker, so when these drunk guys from Moscow came and asked for cigarettes, they suddenly believed that they caught an Ukrainian accent when I talked to them. The whole atmosphere changed within a second, and I told them loud and clear that I am Norwegian. So everything was OK, and everybody was happy and polite again. I am sure that I would have been in deep trouble if I were an Ukrainian nationalist. My guess is that Ukrainians in such situations will end up looking after their teeth on the ground and putting them into a plastic bag with their broken arms.

So from a homeland security stand point, not having too many young Russian men running around could be wise but from a tourism industry stand point, it truly must be a disaster.

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I do agree with what you wrote! The problem is though that ALL Russian tourists, young and old, decided to avoid Ukraine as their destination of choice for the summer resulting in huge losses for those who rely on tourism.

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I believe there is more to the story, Maybe there was a huge fight between Russian and Ukrainian tourists the day before, because the their strong reaction to Ukraine and Ukrainians can not only be explained by the conflict and the media. Maybe I am wrong, and there truly is a strong hatred between common Russian and Ukrainians civilians now. This you will know unquestionable far, far better than me.

I believe that without Ukrainians believing they have this tremendous support from Hussein Obama and the EU, this conflict would end peacefully rather soon. But as it is, it could take years.

Nevertheless, things tend to stabilize. We had even German tourists shortly after the WWII.

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Nope. This conflict is for several generations to come. It won’t heal overnight and it’ll take years and decades to somewhat normalize the situation and relations between nations.

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Hopefully Europe crash hard enough, so Ukraine will wake up before it is too late.

Something is wrong with the hotel market in Ukraine. The prices are far too high. But I guess you have already considered to rent out flats to tourists in Odessa, but you turned it down. If so, may I ask why? You as a native English speaker, multilingual, and your wife as native Russian/Ukrainian speaker with local knowledge, should be in a perfect position for such a business. Or am I missing something here?

Oh, and I got an “answer” from Ken. I am slowly starting to understand why you are so certain and determined to move from Ukraine, if he is in any way, shape or form representative for common Ukrainians….

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1. Europe ain’t gonna crash, don’t you worry. It’ll keep living life of a sheeple led my an invisible Shepherd or a life of a puppet controlled and directed by a mighty Master.
2. What you are missing is the fact that visitors to Ukraine’s south have become extremely limited with their money “supply” thus looking for a bargain in the bargain box.
You ain’t gonna make no substantial profit during 2 short months of summer here when sea water is warm and weather is pleasant. Those Ukrainians who have money prefer going to Croatia, Bulgaria, Turkey, Spain, Egypt, Italy, Thailand etc for vacation, they never spend any money in Ukraine. And you ain’t ever gonna make no money on what’s left on the “tourist table” here in the country.
3. Yes, “ken” does represent a view of an average Ukrainian. He’s in fact a picture perfect example of an average Ukrainian.

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No, dude, Europe will crash. The keynesian nightmare, Draghi, talks about another trillion Euro in stimulus.
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/20/ecb-president-mario-draghi-set-to-launch-qe2.html

No way EU will cut their budgets to pay for the Muslim invasion, totally out of control, they will just print more money and thus magically make the very real costs go away.

My Swiss finance professors never said it aloud, but it was clear that they regarded neo/ keynsian monetary policy as pure voodoo economics. The medium and long term empirical data for significant monetary expansions is a disaster. But as true statist ideologues, these fanatics just don’t care. Ideology trumps reality.

Are you ready for a bet? If Europe crash within 3 years, I give you a bottle of Georgian wine, if not you give me bottle of Georgian wine, if/when we meet? If I loose you can call me “Mr. Stupid” the rest of the evening grin

Ukraine sure sounds like a hell hole….

I truly like the Slavic culture and Slavs. So for me Ukraine was a great place, compared to the progressive and totalitarian hell-hole Scandinavia is turning into. However, nearly all Scandinavians I have talked to, said that Ukraine was one of the worst countries they have visited in Europe, but I find not much criticism from European visitors online? Many of them are even quite positive towards Ukrainians and Ukraine. How is that? Russians and Russia are truly bashed all over the place.

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1.OK, we have a bet! Let’s what happens within 3 years.
2. The problem with Europeans is that they can privately tell you what they really think BUT they’ll never have enough guts and dare to openly express their thoughts and opinions for bigger audience thus you can hardly find any criticism of Ukraine online. On top of that Europeans are also brainwashed to the limit and still think that Ukraine is an up and coming democracy without Nazis, arrests of those who dare to disagree and burnings of innocent people who dare to have a different opinion. I can bet you any money that the events of May 2, 2014 are completely unknown in Norway and Sweden for example!!

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1. OK the bet is ON! grin

2. Young, white, heterosexual European boys are whipped into submission from kindergarten to their gender studies PhD thesis – “How to make men more peaceful – lessons from the REAL stronger sex [women]!”. Even The Economist has turned into a liberal rag and now rants on what to do with “dysfunctional males”.

Yes, no one in Norway has ever heard about May 2, 2014. And if they did, it would be peaceful, progressive and pro-gay Ukrainians clash with gay bashing, fascist Putin drones. All Russian/Ukraine articles will be closed for comments (since the issue is sensitive for a group with a special legal protection- gays), and in rare occasions when they are not, they will warn that commentators that disagree with the spin in the pro-Ukrainian article, are almost certain paid Putin trolls, as Russia has an army of them. And factual comments in favour of anti-progressive and gay-hating Russia will be flagged and deleted by the moderators, while vile hysterical calling for nuking of Moscow is OK.

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1. Yes, the bet is ON!

2. well, I always keep saying that men and men only are to blame for the current state of things in dating, politics, economy etc.
And how come I’ve never succumbed to the politically correct propaganda and never become a submissive male robot? And if I can do it then anyone can do it!!
3. I had no doubts that events of May 2, 2014 in Odessa are unknown for Norwegians, swedes etc.
You’ve made a perfect excuse used by the mainstream media about “peaceful, progressive pro gay and pro European Ukrainians clashing with evil gay bashing and Europe hating supporters of Putin”. That’s exactly how it’s being portrayed in all kinds of western mainstream media.
Europeans, Americans, Canadians etc ain’t supposed to have an own opinion. It’s either you follow mainstream or you are labeled a loser and an enemy of the state.

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1. One rule: Loser can’t cry in public razz

2. Men have the ultimate responsibility, so yes, men will always be the root cause, no matter how much women freak out and degenerate themselves.

And how come I’ve never succumbed to the politically correct propaganda and never become a submissive male robot? And if I can do it then anyone can do it!!

Being an independent thinker, and thereby a rejector of political correctness, is neither easy, nor entirely pleasant. I believe it is very much like passing the selection courses for elite Military units. Either one have it, or one don’t. No matter how hard one train and how good one is prepared, if one does not have a special character of stamina, willpower, strive for excellence, ability to control both fear and pain, independent thinking and ability to make correct decisions under high-stress conditions, – one will never pass.

Most men never wish to be independent thinkers, they are more than enough happy to be a follower and enjoy life. What is new now, is that we have no real male leaders. So when Europe is being overrun by Muslim immigrants, we should have had an Alexander the Great, but we don’t have him. Worse, the inner compass among males are broken, so men follow crazy persons, organizations and ideologies instead.

That is my take on it. What do you think?

3. Yep, I tested my parents. They are news junkies, but mostly follow regular news, even though they understand that they are being lied to. Nevertheless, they had not heard about May 2, 2014 at all.

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1. No worries about crying in public;)
2. Damn, man, you gave a prefect description about how hard and easy at the same time it is to be a male leader when one has to have a character/stamina, willpower, independent thinking and ability to make correct decision in stressful moments while comparing it all with the selection process for special forces/elite marine units. DAMN RIGHT!!!
99.9% of modern males do not and will never possess these qualities, they love their lives of a sheeple, a politically correct soulless robot and a puppet obeying his Master named State.
Europe ain’t got no real male leaders! I honestly wish Putin was more strict and to the point with his thoughts and acts.
Yup, another 9921 refugees have entered Sweden during the last 7 days. The number stays steady for weeks now.
And so true again about males following all kinds of weirdoes, crazy cults and ideologies instead of simply being males.
3. An average European knows NOTHING about the events of May 2, 2014 in Odessa! He /she believes what he’s told by the mainstream media and never questions anything.
4. Do you have any kind of an e-mail to get in touch so that we could talk more privately? Thanks!

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Sure, you can email me at: [email protected]

This is only a dead postbox account, so I will reply to you on an active account. OK?

I hope for really, really bad weather this autumn/winter, cold and much rain/snow, so the hordes of Muslim invaders now living in hotels etc, go total crazy for the whole world to see. Either that, or hat bikini weather, so the vile hordes of Muslim again go total crazy for the whole world to see.

Damn, what a disaster. I have a theory that the Vikings took a lot of slaves, treller, from Britain, France etc, and these guys were always the village idiots, too stupid to run away, and that these slaves outnumbered the real vikings. So during the course of time, these former village idiots were absorbed into the Norwegian/Viking gene pool, and actually constitute the majority of Norwegians today.

Only way I can explain what is happening today.. razz

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Hey, I will be offline for about 1-2 weeks, so just hit me an email to the my account that I gave you, OR, if you just love spammers and psychos; you can post your own email address here and I will send you an email. OK?

Remember, you MUST learn to sail, so your kids will have a childhood of endless lazy summer-days, filled with laughter, sun and sailing. If not, they will one day find out, and place the blame where it belongs [you]. This would again trigger chain-reactions, leading to a high risk of getting real bad Christmas presents from your kids the rest of your life. I can not overstate how serious this is! grin

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The problem is though that ALL Russian tourists, young and old, decided to avoid Ukraine

This is purely due to stupidity and insane hostility from the Ukrainians. Old Russian grandfathers and grandmothers should be able to have a summer holiday at the Ukrainian Black Sea, totally free from any fear and problem. Same with families with children.

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True that, but Ukrainians are hostile towards anyone coming from Russia, big or small, young or old.

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Oops, gotta run! I wish you a pleasant evening and blessings! grin

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In the beginning of the conflict, she and the rest of the Belorussians were really shocked, as both Russians and Ukrainians were their beloved brothers and sisters. So it was strange to see how the whole thing deteriorated.

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Do you speak russian? I do! Clever people don’t need to be brainwhashed. If you watch russian channel – 1TV RUS or RTR you will understand what means to be brainwashed. Have you ever been in Russia exept Moscow or Saint- Petersburg? If not – welcome. Watch russian channels, you will see how people are brainwhashed to hate USA.
Have you ever been in Belorussia?
Belorussia stucks in Soviet. People don’t have any rights.
Russia is another story. If your friends are afraid to come to Ukraine means they are brainwashed.
1+1 is a political channel like russian 1TVRUS. Who cares. Mature people don’t watch it.

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Really? She is a highly intelligent medical doctor, speaks English and has been to Europe multiple times and follow international news. Hardly brainwashed.

Yes, I have been in Belarus. Why are you so interested in my background?

And what is your background? You don’t sound like a “Brian” at all. Not even sure you are a man. You claim that you have no problem with you wife changing her 2 000 USD curtains and she has many hundred pair of shoes? Really? You sound more like a girl, because a man would not brag about his wealthy in this way. Your comment only shows that you are not a responsible man, but a weak man totally controlled by your wife. Or you belong to the mafia and have no deep inner core anyway. But most likely you area an Ukrainian girl, pretending to be a Western man.

That being said; do you know a good book or documentary dealing with the birth of Kiev Rus, how it transitioned into the nations of Ukraine and Russia, and how/why we got this rather deep West/East Slav rift?

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I don’t doubt she is. It doesn’t matter. This is her own persuasions and maybe her environment. I visit Ukraine every 2-3 months. Calm usual life. The economical situation is bad. Buy the way due to pro- american government. Now is the worst period in history of Ukraine.

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You doubt she is? Because you are supposedly a foreigner visiting Ukraine a few times in a year, and you know everything so much better?

How come you did not answer my questions to you? What are you trying to hide?

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Read one more time my comment! Is she Ukrainian? If she doesn’t live in Ukraine she doesn’t know the situation.
My wife is Ukrainian, I am European. I speak Russian!
Is your name EuroDude707?

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So what is your nationality and why do you talk/think, like a girl?

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add on: what is “Europe” for an average Ukrainian?
Europe is a magician who’ll come by, wave his magic stick and turn shit into dollars, prosperity and well being.
Ain’t gonna happen thought, but it takes brains and inner courage to admit that.

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It was definitely a component of magic/gold-at-the-end-of-the-rainbow thinking in their reasoning. Somehow they could not understand that if the Germans were just as corrupt, rude, unorganized with no real respect for prolonged hard work, – Germany would also be a hell hole.

I have both Ukrainian and Russian/Belorussian/Baltic Russian friends, and it is strange to see how polarized they are in the understanding of the conflict. Really black and white with no room for gray areas. But maybe this is what I really like about the Slavs, they are all a little bit crazy and very passionate. So they are always interesting, and say what they mean.

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Hope you will never come back!

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I absolutely love this website, i agree with almost everything I’ve read on this site so far. But there’s one thing… I’m a socialist and proud to be left. Am I welcome here?

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Roosh,

I would agree. I’ve talked quite a few women and it seemed like there was no hope for the future. It is going to take decades of economic reform to bring the country back up to speed.

This was like Korea after the war. My parents told me it took about 40-50 years before the economic changes took hold.

Few other things I noticed that might change, is that English is going to be the most sought after language, even before Russian, as the Ukrainian state heads toward joining the European Union.

I will be back next year, and I will give a full report of some of the changes.

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Don’t waste your time about bullshit of a useless man. I don’t understand how a man like that think he is really interesting.

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I am delighted to read this article.

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Roosh, I agree with some points in this article. Actually it seems you don’t know what you are writing about. What is the basis of this article? What kind of Ukrainians do you communicate with? Primitive, narrow thinking.
This sentence made me laugh ” Girls go to school because there isn’t anything else to do or just to buy time, because they know that their main asset is their womb.” I assume with such kind of articles you attract followers to improve your blog ranking. Most of Ukrainian women/men are well educated. Women make a good career.
Before writing mediocre articles I would reccomend to study history from the time of Kievan Rus, the historical role of women and men in their society. You can explore much more, to have answers on many questions.
You want to see garbage you will see only garbage.

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Thanks for your tips. I will travel to Ukraine next summer, mostly as standard tourist with a help of http://touristclub.kiev.ua/, but i heard a lot about Ukrainian girls and it’s interesting to pick up someone.

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Glad to hear the olive branch technique works, that’s the best card to have in the back pocket.

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This worsening condition of Ukraine is effecting the condition of its people in a bad way. Youth don’t want to live in the country, instead they want to move out in search of better employment and life-partner options. You have truly explained the condition of Ukraine, but I have also come across some fake articles that are spreading misconceptions about Ukrainian women, these misconceptions are need to be busted because they are ruining the image of Ukrainian women. Here, I want to people about the true character of Ukrainian women that is explained here: http://ezinearticles.com/?Bust-These-Myths-About-Ukrainian-Women-and-Girls&id=9473461. So, don’t believe in any false myths about Ukrainian women.

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Too bad the the rabid political commentary destroyed what could have been an informative article about Ukraine women.. The idea that the US is behind Ukraine’s asperations NOT TO BE RUSSIA’S MEXICO is absurd. Russia wants Ukraine to be a permanent vassel-state. It is no accident that every country that was part of the former Soviet Union wants to join NATO.Lets face facts: Russia is a corrupt Ukraine with oil. How many Russian women are trying to escape that nightmare?

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I’m from Kharkiv, this is very said but true… things are only getting worse economically, most young professionals don’t see a future in Ukraine, one oligarch replaced another

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I was in Kiev about 5 years ago and it was paradise. I met amazing girls and had a geat relationship with one but stupid me. i wasn’t ready yet. I am here now october 2017 after 5 years, it is a nightmare, full of men in clubs.. the country has become so modern, no more corrupt police etc… so why would they need a foreign man ? maybe they are more women in ulkraine than men but it is not enough… I came here for 3 months but I guess I will stay 3 weeks…